Why Trump Won & What It Means For Healthcare | The VPZD Show Ep. 37

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Welcome everyone to VPZ episode 37! For people listening on the podcast, this was recorded live in front of a non-studio audience of… how many people? Let's take a look. Oh, your mom's there! And the audience… there she is! Oh great, oh that's going to be great, good. That's it, that's good.

We have one concurrent viewer, so you know you can see how my reach has extended infinitely since the end of Co. Well, it's a busy week and we've got a lot in store for you this week. We're going to talk about why Trump won the election, 10 things that might happen in healthcare under Trump. We're going to talk about, I don't know, all the news of the week. So we figured we got to do it live because we have to do it live, 'cause this was election week. And no, the second Tuesday of November? First Tuesday of November? And it's the first day that you've stopped crying, so you're able to do the show!

I'm finally able! As a Bay Area… well no actually, so it's interesting as the sole male member of a house of two teenage daughters and a wife, all of whom are minorities. I could feel a collective trauma, which was just—oh someone who looks like us who was raised in Berkeley didn't get to be president. And then when I last night I sat around the table, Kam…

Yeah, oh yeah, that was Kam! No, it was actually Donald [Laughter] Trump! Like oh my God can you imagine Donald Trump? He would have been the best Indian tra. He loves gold—it's a very Indian thing. He probably drinks Johnny Walker black, neat actually. Did you see the Hasan Minaj stand-up special? He's got this great joke about how, you know, you go to India with your mother and then there's a beggar that comes to him asking for money and she's like, “No, we don't got any money. I got to go buy jewelry!” It's true, it's true!

And Indians love their... like they love to show off their houses and have dinner parties. And by the way, we got some—uh—we got about 100 people watching. We got some comments here. Dudes, they love to have dinner parties! That reminds me of the number one thing on my checklist today!

Oh yeah, I have a bone to pick with you Zuben. Pick it! So I notice that I'm always trying to be friends with Zubin outside of this show. I'm like, “Oh you want to hang out? You want to do this? You want to do that?” And recently I was like, “Oh are you free for a dinner party on Saturday? I come over to my house, have a dinner party, I've got a few people coming over.” And you're like, “Oh I'm busy, I'm actually out of town this weekend.” And I'm like, “Okay, well what about—actually, I got another dinner party the weekend after!” And guess what? “I'm out of town!” You're like, “Well actually I have to meditate!”

No, I didn't say that! I'm going to a—I'm going to meditate. No, I'm seeing my mom one of those weekends and the other one I'm actually going to a meditation. If next is, “I got to do my hair!” then I'm really going to have a problem. Well, so no, this is a valid—I was actually going to talk to you about this. So that you're dodging me!

Yeah, well no, there's something about me that I've started to realize, and it's true of my wife too, is that we are just not social people. Not friendly? Not friendly! Yeah, we're um... recluses, I would say misanthropes.

And the thing is, here's the thing: like, you're one of the only people I regularly see. I'm like Ted Kazinsky brother and you're T—right! Like the only one in contact with you! Exactly! And I've been working on my pipe bombs and you've been very instrumental in helping me with that. No but—but it manifested. This came to me; I used to try to fake it. I would try to like go to things and do things and I realized…

Put on a face, I put on a face. And I realized after I got home, I was exhausted; my face hurt from all my fake expressions and I was just... I was like what? My dinner party is not going to be that bad.

No, it won't be! It won't be! No, but see you're one of few... like my wife and I went out with the—you think you're an introvert? I think I'm an ambivert. I think I can—I get energized in certain situations but then de-energizing others. And then increasingly I was wondering—ambisexual? Ambivert? Interesting!

Yes, inter… intersexual? That's the I in LGBTQIA. I see... uh, asexual is the one I'm working on. I see, well involuntarily with the way you accept invitations. I do, I do. Uh, from Jay Varma we have to bring that back!

So, so I realized more and more that um I don't like people. Not—not I'm not talking about you! I'm saying the interaction with other human egos other than—and and increase, yeah, well I'm starting to die a little. Pairing is bad in my neighborhood, you know, that's another reason. But you know, but this is the thing: like whenever VP hits me up I'm like, “I'm right there!” But then if it's like a dinner party, I'm like, “You mean there's other people there?” No, fuck that, I'm not coming! True!

So it's kind of like that, but—but honestly those two that you mentioned you had plans. I actually do have plans. If there were another date, I would have just said I'm not feeling great. I think I have the AIDS!

I'm not feeling good! You probably just say you're worked up about the election. But—but you know, yeah I know, but I'm not really—oh, I'm lying, I'm lying, I'm lying!

Okay, so the day of the election I had this theory that maybe we were undercounting Kamala voters, like the way they undercounted Trump voters! But it was the opposite? You mean po—oh, I see! And I'll tell you why I missed that. This is my—this is my theory. I missed it because, first of all, I live in the Bay Area, uh, bubble. The big bubble! But I look at all the media and I actually have a lot of like libertarian leaning, so like I'm not particularly um a card-carrying Democrat. I'm a registered independent, right?

But um there was something about like um my feeling of how the economy was going because in my position this is a great economy. I see! You see, as a rich person! As a rich person! Exactly! As a rich person! This is a real blind spot. As someone who's like got Maslow's hierarchy figured out, I—I now—what I didn't realize my blind spot was most people don't in America don’t have Maslow's hierarchy. They—they have not got the base of that pyramid.

And when they see what's been happening—inflation, high interest rates—and getting preached at for wokeness, we'll talk about all this, this—they're going to be like, “Throw the bums out!” It doesn't matter who's running as the Republican, and it doesn't matter who's running as the Democrat. So that's my theory! And once I processed that I was like, “Oh, the surprise of it was like, oh no, it's not a surprise at all!”

I see. Well, as you know, I can't afford my PG heating bills! It's true! It's true! So I actually live with a couple space heaters, and I actually got like timers... they’re timed so that my whole path through the apartment is kind of heated! Like, so before I wake up it warms the little area next to my bed so I can get—and then it warms the kitchen area.

I'm not joking! This is—this is how—I've been to his house. It's hand to mouth—it's cold as fuck over there! Like, 'cause you know, it's a—it’s a San Francisco building! It's not well insulated! Professor salary! Maness! Sal! There, Professor Sal! Now I'm 10 years ahead of you, I had the professor salary for the period you have it. You're going to, at some point, you're going to get wise and quit that shit and just go out and do some hero's journey that is unpredictable—

And then you'll be in my position where you're like, “Damn, the rent's too high! I'm going to get solar installed on my roof so I don't have to pay for the electricity.” Well how much does the solar cost? Well, more than most Americans make in a year! So, okay, yeah!

So this—throw coins out—throw coins out the window! The coins! The coins! It is, but it's a—it's a CL! It's a real class issue! And I think a lot of like the rich liberal elite class, they don't understand who you represent on this show! I represent—I'm the caricature of the rich, rich liberal! At least that's the rules we play for today!

That's right! I'm going to represent leaport Indian! Well we know from—you’re from the Central Valley! I'm from I'm from Clovis, California! The most conservative spot in all—Trump! It's 100% Trump! Trump Vance country! And that's 100%! My mom, she just voted 20 times! Trump's like the Liberals are cheating! I'm like, “No, no, no! My mom registered under 20 different Indian names—20 mail-in and in person!” That's right!

Well, where do we get started? So I—the first thing I wanted to tell—so sorry about your dinner party! Oh that's okay! No I know you were meditating, fuck your med! I’ll tell you what: if you don't show up at the next two dinner parties I'm going to know something's up! And your viewers are going to hold you accountable!

Oh my God! There are a lot of people! Yeah, yeah! Cat Cat Traver says, or Tav Tavaris says, “That's why the majority of rich people voted for Kamala, that's true.” Except for the billionaire Silicon Valley elite, because they kind of know that they can get Trump in their corner to do what needs to be done for them. Okay, yeah! Um, yeah we'll see us middle-class rich, we're just screwed, 'cause what did Trump do to the middle-class rich like me? He got rid of my state and local SALT deduction!

Ah yeah, state… state local SALT! But he did that to punish you for living in this liberal state! Right, and you deserve to be punished! No but I got punished for it! We both got punished for it! So my taxes actually went up with the Trump tax!

I mean, see, you're not rich enough! I've always said, “Why are you flying commercials, Z?” You're not really—you've not made it until—where's my private island? Your private island—your private jet to private island! I know, right? Right, okay. The first thing I want to talk about is crying doctors!

You know, I want to make another point which is that I actually think that I can understand why your people may be happy, people may be disappointed, but I think if you have two strong emotions about the national election, I think that's a marker of like bad personal mental health! Like if you really are a crying—like I think that that—I just don't believe that could possibly be due to federal policy that may only affect you, perhaps indirectly, perhaps, you know, uh, very narrow slices of people affected by any federal policy.

And I think a lot of it is just that your whole life is in the fucking Twitter and social media and your little bubble, and you start crying about this! It's like just relax, you know? Sometimes it goes your way, sometimes it doesn't! I saw one doctor crying. I'm going to read you the tweet in a second because it's really informative. And another doctor saying, “How can I move out of the country? Who can help me go?” And to me, I think it's like such an abdication of civic duty to just say, “I'm, every time a politician gets, like, you don’t like, I'm going to move! I'm going to move!”

I mean, I didn't get to say "I'm going to move!" when they were like clock masking me, to you know, when they’re doing all the things I thought were stupid. Because the goal is, if you want to participate in a society, the solution is not to move; it’s to try to persuade people that your view of the world is correct. And that's the hard work of living with other people who don't all agree with you and moving is just such an empty and capricious choice and to me speaks of cowardice.

Yeah, and I'll say this: like I think there's a—while you pull up the tweet, there's a collective human delusion that is created by the thought, asphere of social media and the news! So the—the people that are ready to leave the country, they've been indoctrinated by a particular branch of media that's saying, “Trump is a complete danger to democracy. He's a racist, a misogynist, here’s his quotes out of context of whatever flow he’s saying!”

Look, he may well be a racist and a misogynist and a sociopath, but we had him for four years, right? The world didn't explode. There weren't wars! Yeah, there were things that people would disagree with and things that they would agree with. And then Co came and got him booted out! Then Co came and got Biden booted out!

This is my theory, because Co led to the policies around Co that led to the inflation and the high interest rates that got people to kick him out! You can—I'm going to say something crazy: Hillary Clinton was right about one thing! There is a basket of deplorables! Now this is what this is what I mean by this. This is my theory, okay? So she—what she—the way I take what she’s saying, I don’t know what her intent was 'cause she's crazy! I don’t like Hillary! Um, she's a very bad—a bad person!

She should be in jail! She should be in jail! You think that there's some tiny fraction of his followers who are in fact deplorable? That's your view? Yes, and—but they're tiny! Yes! What the mass of people are the people who are looking for Maslow's hierarchy to be fulfilled and they see in him something different than the previous ad! But there’s a tiny fraction of followers of Biden who are wackadoodle crazy woke shit!

Awful! They are a basket of deers! Okay, well, or at least— I completely agree with you that I mean any politician will have some tiny fraction that are crazy. So it'll be a white supremacist perhaps or it'll be somebody who thinks that like a two-year-old should be able to decide their gender, and okay, just crazy in both.

But the difference I think is, um, as a professional in a city, I encounter lunatics from the left camp more than the right camp! That's okay! So in my life, I encounter people with extreme far-left ideology, and they're like a faculty member, I’m like—what the—how the hell are you... But the crazy ones on the—you know, those deplorables—I don't encounter because they don't make it to faculty!

Yeah, so see, this actually—who we brush up against in our—in our—in the bubble of consciousness that we're exposed to determines how reactive we are! So like that's right! So like you run into those guys and they drive you crazy during Covid, they were driving me nuts! Right? Post-Covid, it’s more like now I get people in the comments that are truly like the delusional on the other side like, “We need to ban all vaccines! We need to do this and that and the other thing!” You know, there's a—there's a brain...

You just got Shingri! I did! And you know what? My penis fell off! Maybe not thinking it was so covered with zuster it got attacked!

So it's all that kind of way! But in the end, it's like man, it's exactly what you said! Like it's going to be fine, it's going to be fine! Come on, it's going to be better than fine! And also like, you know, these college campuses have like a grief counselor! I know, I saw that.

I saw you know what? I got an email from my school principal for my daughter's high school! And it was like, we were going to have therapists on hand! And you know, so so I guess, first, I mean one thing to say about that is that it just capitulates the idea that you're so weak and fragile that you know you would need a therapist! But second is, I bet if you randomly assigned places to have therapist and no therapist, you will have more anxiety and depression.

Yeah, in the therapist arm! Like, who—where is the evidence that therapists reduce anxiety, depression, and these negative—in fact, they—they bolster it! They validate it! You know why they validate it? Because they validate that anything you fucking think or believe is—has any truth value! That it has any truth!

That—and that your feelings are so important! And—and—and I don't know, I think validates—I gotta say, so Andrew Dunbar sent us five bucks! Can you make any predictions about the effect RFK Jr will have on the health? So we're going to come to that Andrew, thank you for 10 things that you might expect on a Trump Administration!

I mean, I think to that point specifically what I would say is that I think that there's a lot of energy and I think RFK Jr speaks to lots of energy and motivation to change. There are some core structural things that he is different than other people, like he's anti-conflict of interest, he’s anti-agriculture and these things. And my impetus is we should give him concrete things that everyone will agree on that like reform—take that energy and put it in the right direction!

Yeah—give us concrete suggestions for things we'll all agree on! People who are vaccine proponents and opponents? I think they should all agree we need better phase four surveillance, better surveillance systems for rare adverse events. And so that's what I'm trying to do on my substack and other places.

So you're basically saying like treat him like a—like like a grown child where you basically say, listen here are the things that you really—you know, these are your strengths and the weakness about you know the—the brain worm and the not vaccinating children’s Defense Fund stuff.

I guess I’d say that like the same for like that Biden Harris Administration which was, I tried to channel their energy into good policy for all these years. The difference was those fucks didn’t listen to me at all! They really—they really shut out anyone who disagreed with them asking and vaccinating, which is so anti, and in fact, you know, they de—

Okay, well we've talked about it! No, no, I agree with you! And—and that’s what was the worst thing and their biggest blind spot is they don't recognize that good people can actually disagree!

They don't! For them it's all like, you know, it's all if the moment you disagree on anything, you know, they call me anti-ac, I was like listen you stupid fuck, no one's given more vaccines than me! I did post-auto transplant! I vaccinated from scratch! You don't even know anything! And—and also my position is not anti-ac, it's that the benefits should outweigh the risk!

And vaccines are like drugs! Every single one should be judged independently on the evidence! Let me read the quote, the quote!

Come with it! Okay, this is from Dr. Neville! By the way, this is so fun doing this live—3,170 people watching! Wow, an ID can answer that question too! An ID—um, this is a, I think an ICU doctor from LA named Dr. Neville, and it's in my subst quote: "I've been on and off crying since 2 a.m. My belief that the majority of people are inherently good has been shattered. No explanation will suffice!"

Now to me, I said quote, "I'm uncomfortable when a doctor calls more than half their patients bad people!" And I think that's the problem because she's conflated that everyone—72 million people are bad people. I find that impossible to believe; that just can't be true!

And so if you're going to walk around that everyone who voted for him is a, you know, misogynist and a racist and a bad person then you are the bad—I mean, you know, you're taking a position that's so extreme that no one's going to take you seriously!

Why are you crying since 2 a.m.? Why are you viewing the world in such a polarized way? This person should be trying to get their emotions under control, I'll put it that way! Yeah!

So, I'm going to take a position here which I think, uh, there—I—I actually expect them to behave that way because of how the media has portrayed Trump! So a rational actor who just like Hitler... just like Hitler! The threat to democracy, racist, misogynist, look at what he did to the—you know, the black reporter's convention! Look what he did here! Look what he did there!

Taking—he just—he said—he just spoke—oh, I—and they took pieces out of context and like everybody was up in arms! And—and so if you have—he told that woman he's like, “Yeah, that's not a very nice question” or “Yeah,” and there was more—I think he was like, “Oh, Kam isn’t black! She was black then she’s not! She’s Indian!”

His point was that she's using identity politics to her benefit! Yeah! And she plays the right card the right situation! Right! Which I mean, to some degree is a hallmark of a politician! It is! Look at how you play the brown card with me, dude, every day!

Every day! I’m like come on buddy! He’s like come on buddy where's the gold? Where's the Johnny Walker black on ice? I got here! He offered me a Kingfisher and a Johnny Walker black like masala DOA! I was like Z Zubin, you want tamarind sauce? I have tamarind sauce too, you play that card!

The moment do I do? But! So, so it doesn't surprise me that doctors—the doctors who tend to skew liberal so they already have this moral palette that values fairness versus cheating and care versus harm, they're now activated to believe the end of the world is at hand and that half the population is morally evil!

So, I had this conversation with my daughters—my oldest daughter, she's a little like me! She's a bit of a little libertarian! She always talks about blue-haired liberals! And you know, she went to Berkeley for the summer to do a thing and she's like, “Yeah, I like it except for all the blue-haired liberals. Like old-school liberals.” Old-school liberal?

She's like a John F. Kennedy, an old soul in a young person! That's how she is! So she was asking over the table, you know, they were talk—they were depressed about the election because their friends are all depressed, of course! And because it's a Bay Area and they're in public school!

And I said, “So okay guys, what do you think? Why do you think—why do you think that that Trump won?” And they said, “Well, because this country is racist and misogynist!” And I was like, “Okay, so do you think that a racist, misogynist country could have elected a guy whose name was Barack Obama twice, who was raised in Hawaii, um, and who is as other as an American can get and still be American?”

And they were like, “Well, I don’t know!” And I go, “So why do you think Barack won? Why do you think Trump won?” And then I went through the economics—I had to give them a lesson on interest rates! I gave them a lesson on inflation! I gave them a lesson on Maslow's hierarchy!

And at the end they were like, “Oh, so people aren't all that bad! They're just operating in their own self-interest!” Yeah! Yeah, that's what policy is! Yeah, and also like, uh, the black vote and the Latino vote is increasing for Trump!

So, but interestingly so the people he's supposedly racist against like him more! You know, is it Stockholm syndrome? I don't think so! Nobody thinks he's racist more than a white person in California! You know? Oh, they know! They know what racism looks like!

That's right, that's right! Now I don't—but these poor young people, as much as I love them, especially in this town, you know, like the mere fact that every 16-year-old happily wore a cloth mask and—and—and—and—and gave up their school rights suggest to me that perhaps they’re like impressionable.

And they can be too believed things! That's why—that’s why we do what we do! Right? We’re trying to talk about—I use this term 'alt-middle'—it’s not a centrist position, it’s a free-from-extremes and think-for-self position!

So, that may mean sometimes you take a stance that, you know, like someone's comment was, “What do you think about Obamacare?” I think it's unconstitutional and should be repealed! Right! Oh, interesting!

So, that’s an interesting stance! There’s a lot of nuance there! Okay, well first of all on the question of constitutionality, it was upheld by Roberts, you know? So 5—on the basis of Taxation! Which I always thought is a strong argument! So I think it is constitutional! Now does it—does it have a lot of problems? Lots.

Problems include, number one that stupid— that stupid push for meaningful use in electronic health records was the worst! Maybe well-intentioned, I don't even know, but the worst outcome ever! 'Cause now we have electronic records that are billing platforms and not care platforms! Absolutely!

Two, another reason it's extremely problematic was, you know, when the insurance company and the pharmaceutical companies pop champagne at your healthcare reform bill, it suggests that perhaps you're not controlling healthcare costs! And healthcare costs have ballooned! So we're going to suffocate under healthcare costs!

So I think it's not a—and then there's still uninsured people! So was it a great solution? No! And have a longer discussion on— but then who did it help? It helped people who couldn't get insurance due to pre-existing conditions!

That was the one thing that everyone always agreed on! Like for me, I think that had Obama not passed it in ‘09, we would have gotten that pre-existing condition clause revoked at some point in the next six years or so! But I do think like, if you have—you're born with any genetic condition or you acquire any condition, it’s good for you!

Do you think it net raised healthcare costs or actually put a put the brakes on them? Oh that's a good question! Like what would the world have looked like without it? Without ACA?

I mean, healthcare costs were running away before, and then there was some preliminary evidence that showed that they continued to climb at less growth rate! Um, it's really hard to know! I think that, you know, I always ask myself that—had they not had the Affordable Care Act, what might have happened?

I think we would have had healthcare reform in the decade; it's inevitable! And we might have gotten something that actually tries to curb costs! I guess I'm worried that like sometimes in order to fix healthcare it really has to break and Affordable Care Act may have temporized the breaking! But it just delays the real F!

I'm with you! It has to collapse! And it's headed that way! It's headed that way! Which is sad that we have to wait for things to be broken before we fix them! And I'll say, just like your car ex...

My car! You let that Camry go to shit before you even fixed it, dude! I gave it to my daughter—totally broken! You know, there was a rat in that fucking Camry! Really?

Yeah! In the glove box by the air filter! And it got crushed when I put the recirculator on and that's how I caught it! And I pulled a dead rat out of there! And you touched it yourself? I—I used gloves!

You don't own a mask? You don't know? And then you developed... You need a boo! I immediately had hirus. H! Instant hirus in Haus!

You know, Joan C says something interesting. Trump, um, she’s one of my supporters—Trump named the first female Chief of Staff in American history! So much for the misogynist argument! Yeah!

And I see, I would say that, you know, I think that... well, I mean one woman does not dispute the… but I do think that I—I don't think that's, you know, look, I think I think everybody's racist and misogynist to some degree because of the nature of our conditioning!

How—no one worse than you! No one worse than me! How much virtue signal about it or how much you actually go and do about it are different things! Right? Some’s angry that you gave her the dead rat car!

Oh yeah! You told her it's either Honda or Toyota! I said you got—okay this thing going to drive forever but it's going to be haunted by a dead rat! No, you cleaned the rat out!

Yeah I did! I put some Lysol in there! But I see—and then you got yourself a nice car! Yeah, I—leased a car! Because you know, I don't believe in buying anymore because I think the world's going to end in 2012!

Is it already 2012? Oh God! I still find masks in the pockets of coats, says Gordon! Ooh! Well, if you come to the Bay Area, we just saw some person getting on the elevator with it!

Oh yeah, and Zubin was like, “Maybe they're immunosuppressed?” And I was like, “Probably mild asthma!” The mild asthma? The mild, no, for it? It's got to be an interesting coincidence that all the immunosuppressed people are at the airport terminals for Boston, DC, and San Francisco! The liberal elite!

Yeah! But then in Birmingham, Alabama, there’s no one immunosuppressed—I mean, come on! Do you know what's the biggest oppressor of T-cell function?

Post-election traumatic stress disorder! Post-election T-cell dysfunction! Yeah, PTCD! You down with PTCD? Oh yeah, you know me!

Um, Trump removing the Obamacare mandate was the best thing! Uh, in turn, stopped it from financially harming my family members! I actually don't think—I know, he didn't do that! I didn't think he did do that!

I think I think there's still a tax penalty if you don’t! Yeah, but maybe it's not enforced! Yeah, Adam Gibson—Chief of Staff wasn't—uh, yeah! She managed the campaign!

That’s right! Yeah! And also, uh, I heard that—Isn't she, she's the person who has a grievance against DeSantis? Like she worked for—tell us! Tell me! Didn't she used to work for DeSantis and then he fired her? And that's—that's why it's not looking favorable for DeSantis!

I'm going to move this up here so we can make sure we're in Focus. There we go! Go! Yeah! We've never done this live, so we're still figuring this out! But we have a nice mic! It doesn't look at all like a penis between us!

The penis between us! Oh my God, that's my autobiography! I thought that said your tombstone! Oh that too! Yeah, um...

Alright, what do you got? Oh there’s one more quote I got! Give me—give me some tweets! Oh, I deleted Twitter finally!

What? Why? Yeah, I'll tell you why! Because... because Trump won! No, I did it before Trump won! I've never liked Twitter! But pre-Elon, I've always hated it! It's not for me! It’s too just a mind space, like it's not me!

Yeah, so I'm like, what am I getting out of this? I have 100,000 followers! Joe Rogan follows me! Like all these people follow me! I'm like, who cares!

Lost follow! I lost Rogan! You know that’s—and I'm fine with it! Honestly, I was ready to delete all my social media but my assistant Risa wouldn't let me do it!

Um, let's see, I'll read some comments while you're doing that! I think the best move DJT ever did was to hire his number one hater and even get Elon Musk on his side!

Oh right, because the electric vehicle thing, um, well they did like—well, Elon’s acting in his best interest! That’s true! And I do think the Biden administration, like, slided him!

Slided him! Yeah, and I also think that I mean, I think—and then also I think he fundamentally does believe that regulation he has, you know, some nice video where he talked about like all of the sorts of regulation he faces to get SpaceX and Tesla to market and some of it is like just pointless bureaucracy that holds him back!

Yeah! He does need to be unleashed a little bit! Although someone—one of—someone on one of my—oh yeah, go ahead.

Editor-in-chief Laura Helmuth of SC Scientific American magazine, quote: "I apologize to younger voters that my Gen X is so full of shit fascists! Solidarity to everyone whose meanest, dumbest, most bigoted high school classmates are celebrating early results because fuck them to the moon in back!"

Every four years I remember why I left Indiana where I grew up, and remember why I respect the people who stayed and are trying to make it less racist and sexist! The moral arc of the universe isn't going to bend itself!

Like, this person is the editor-in-chief—first of all, if the editor-in-chief of Scientific America literally the only thing you have to do—shut the fuck up about! You have to—you're dehumanizing in the way that like an enemy army would dehumanize an enemy!

This is the classic John Hight distortion! If there are only good and bad people in the world, right? And so these bad people are truly bad! Like what she's supposed to be a scientist representing a scientific publication! Well, the publication has gone to shit long!

Okay, um, any advice for what workplaces can do to help people who are devastated by the election? She runs a workplace, and her workplace is hostile to anyone who voted for Trump because she said you're a fucking fascist!

And then, and you can't get anything published unless it's about DEI! I mean, I do think that you can't get anything published in that journal that has anything to do—disagrees with the most draconian view!

And so I, you know, I think that like, yeah she should be fired, obviously! I mean, I'm not a fan of cancel culture! It's not canceling to when you're an editor and your only job is to not be overtly biased and you go crazy!

Um—and then she issued an apology! Let me read you the apology! Oh, by the way, there's 500 people watching right now! Wow! You know what? It’s the middle of a school day! That's how badass VPZ is!

Yes sir! Laura, I made a series of offensive and inappropriate posts on my personal Blue Sky account! She probably thought no's going to read it! He—a fucking Blue Sky! No one’s on Blue Sky, okay?

SKY election night mas it on! I was scream—scaming into the air on Mastodon and somebody saw me! Um, I am sorry! I respect and value people across the political spectrum!

These—that’s when you like literally like you're a fucking fashion! Oh, I respect—I respect and value! Okay, these posts, which I have deleted, do not reflect my beliefs! They were a mistaken expression of my shock and confusion about the election results! Shouldn't have been shocked! Shouldn't have been confused! Living in a bubble!

These posts, of course, do not reflect the position of Scientific American or my colleagues! Of course! Of course! Except that they do!

Yeah! If you ask anybody there, they’re like Trump! Yeah, of course they have! Trump all of them! TDS will blown! I'm committed to civil communication and editorial objectivity!

K, you—you didn’t say the last one! You know there was one—there was one funny—like U—somebody say, "What is Blue Sky?" Blue Sky is a—is some fucking website they made that they knocked out Twitter with! Twitter compete with Twitter!

It’s a decentralized platform! Let’s just say it’s like—I heard somebody said, here's a PDF on how you can use it, and I was like, I was like, fuck, if you gotta look at some PDF to fucking figure out some social media, use it or tweet or whatever!

Someone on threads told me, uh, I refuse to call it X! I'm going to continue to call it Twitter! Because just like Elon uses the dead name of his daughter Elon said, “That's called dead naming!” Dead naming! Right! I don't know what they—and then I saw all these people deleting—yeah, you delete Twitter for a different reason—not to protest Eli!

No! I deleted because I been—I told people like if I get 100,000 followers on threads as a joke, I'll delete Twitter, and then I did, and I hadn't tweeted in a year, and I'm like, well, I'll just delete Twitter! Plus I—I just hate all of it! I'm going to delete threads! No one—well, no actually, look, the people on threads that follow me, there’s like 100,000. Those are the cool people!

They're the good kids! Coolest 100,000! All healthcare professionals, they're sweet people! They're very civil! We don't talk about anything controversial! I just post my videos there, which are all controversial! I see! They’re like basically the controversy in my videos are you’re an illusion, you don't exist, all thought is a lie, and everything is emptiness manifesting!

That's controversies of Western civilization you—Western philosophical thought! Exactly! But you know what's interesting is that video doesn't get the same lunatic responses as...

No! You know why? Why would that be? You said it in our last thing! Why you don't talk to reporters? Why don't you talk to reporters? Because they just take you out of context!

That's right! So what is video? Video is right there! Full context! You can clip a piece out of context but if you have to watch the whole thing you're going to realize we’re not the biggest fucks in the world!

Yeah we’re just 90% mean median! Um, it's so interesting because um, was I going to say about that? Oh, somebody clipped a video of me—a two-minute video and then they said, I said, you know, things that support RFK childhood vaccination stuff, and then I—and then I was like, hmmm, and then I watched the video and I was like, I said nothing of the sort!

And then, then I tweeted and said, oh, did this person inaccurately sum up this video? And then they deleted the post instantly! Because, you know, they can't even—I’m like reading comprehension, listening comprehension! Reading comprehension!

Y—and both political parties do that but the left has been really good about doing that to Trump, because—and he said that on Rogan, right? He was like remember when they said this about me? Good people on all sides! They miss—they took it out of—they did this! They did that!

They make him look like—look if you, okay, let's give let's give some people the benefit of the doubt. Even though they should know better, if you believed everything the mainstream media said about Donald Trump, you would be mortified that he is becoming president! Beyond hope of redemption! You would think America was totally fucking stupid!

So what if you look at that fundamental belief that the mainstream media is quoting him in context, understanding the nuance of what he's saying, and—and actually conveying it, and what if that wasn't true? Then would this be the catastrophe that you think it is?

I feel like the mainstream media needs to hire people who live in Indiana and Illinois and Texas and have an office in Illinois where people fucking come in face to work like to have all these New York Times reporters sitting in their house on Zoom talking to only New York Times people in Manhattan parties! They're not—they have no idea!

They have no idea what it's like! You're from Clovis, California! From Port Indiana! I talked to my high school friends—you have like much closer finger on the pulse! They know what's up!

They know what's up! And—and the truth is, the right wing—more right-side leaning media, the Breits, Barts and the Fox Newses do that as well! Yes, but it seems to me it’s weird, it's less blatant in some way!

Like it's almost like, well, here, look! Like what they'll do is they'll say they want to fuck—you know, surrender transgender illegals in prison or something! And it's like, well I'm not quite sure that's what they said!

They so—but! But something a little bit like that, I actually don't know! I don't know anything about that but uh, yeah! So I don't know! And again, as a Libertarian, I'm like I would love you to be as trans as you want to be! I just don't want to be told what I need to do! Oh, that’s—and then also I think the children issue is obviously live! Yeah, the children stuff!

Yeah, there live art! And you know the bathroom thing and the sports thing! Those are the gray areas where it's like, okay, let’s have a conversation! And MSM—mainstream! Yeah, well I mean, they're terrible!

I just think that they've gone down and I think that the proof of the decline is like how many people watch that Rogan interview! Like right! And how many people give two shits that Beyoncé endorsed Kamala without singing by the way!

Oh, you know, she didn't do any show! What? She took like 10 million to say, “I support Kamala!” And then people were like, “Yeah! Do the show!” And then she didn’t! And then Kamala came on and like some people were booing 'cause they want Kamala to do some song and dance!

Beyoncé! What are we doing here? If you like it, you better put a ring on it, man! I mean, I would you know what? By the way, people who are watching this live, you will realize we don't edit our VPZs! This is how we do our VPZs!

This is probably how we should do it from now on! Yeah! I think maybe this is how we should do it unless we say the GW! If we drop Gres at any point...

Okay, why did Trump win? Here's my essay! Yeah, this is from DrV iPad dot com! That's—that's his other half!

Yeah, those pronouns are they/them Doctor and Mr. Hyde! Oh yes! Okay Mr. Hyde didn't go to four years of evil medical schools! It’d be called Mr.—

What did I say the first thing I said was? Oh, you know I had a dinner recently with some colleagues and they asked me to predict the election! I got every state, but I got Minnesota wrong!

I thought Minnesota would go to Trump! Oh right? Yeah, so that's tough one, man! That's a blue state! I know, but I thought that you know, even with walls!

Yeah, maybe especially because of walls! And did you—I can't even tell the jokes Trump made! Some devastating walls jokes at that dinner—the Al Smith dinner in New York City! Oh, you have to watch!

You watched? See, I haven't seen it! Like his jokes were good! Oh wow! I mean maybe he's a funny dude! Yeah, the jokes are good!

Okay, um, and I also find it interesting that the pundits were completely off the mark! And then now they're quickly—now we know why K's definitely going to win and well now we know why Trump won!

Yeah, don't you love Alan Lichtstein? The guy who like predicts every election since—and he's now he's like, “Well you know, the problem was, my calculations were correct! It’s just, you know, he keeps moving the goal post!”

Yeah, he had to eat shit! And then, you know, there was that fucking pollster—um, Sper—Stetler from Iowa! And then they showed like she had gotten six in a row pretty close to accurate and then she predicted Kamala by seven in Iowa which was an absurd prediction!

And she was off by like 17 fucking points! 'Cause it went to Trump, obviously, by 11 to Trump! And then people were like, “Oh how did you get it wrong?” I was like, here's how you went wrong! Like there's how many people are there predicting the election hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands?

By chance alone, you know? If you flip a coin it's hard to get six heads, but if you let 10,000 people flip a coin and you say, anyone who got six heads in a row put your hand up, somebody's going to put their hand up! You know what I mean?

So of course the multiplicity, the number of permutations—that's a variable! So of course some pollster has gotten everything right just like some—you know if you ask fourth graders to predict NCAA tournament—a fourth—you ask enough fourth graders, somebody's going to get it all right by chance, not because they know anything about basketball!

Right? Do you want to hear something that'll blow your mind, VP? So in a related news, the monkey that if you have enough monkeys at a typewriter they'll type out Shakespeare! It turns out someone did math on this and it made an article in the news, and the math was we know the extant number of chimpanzees, we know the extant date that the universe will suffer complete heat death!

So we have a time course and a number of monkeys—they are unable to create even apparently just to say banana! It's a probabilistic like it would take like a 100,000 lifetimes of a chimpanzee! I see! Because they're 26 characters! Exactly!

So it's just, it just becomes this probability! That said, if you had an infinite universe—yes! And infinite monkeys, even more so! I see! So infinite pollsters!

But also the pollsters don't have as many axes of degrees of freedom! They're just predicting one way the other way! Good point! So they're more constrained! More constrained!

Alright, alright! Any more math we want to teach her? I guess a better analogy would be like, can a monkey get binary code? Can it get a 10 digit binary digit?

Oh! So we should do that math! Because it's a simple probabilistic calculation! H! We did it—we did it! We got intellectual Adam Gibson says the aggregate of polling is how they should be reading it! Is that true though?

I don't know, I think that the problem with that is, you know if you put um, a meta-analysis, is only as good as what you put in the blender! I smoothie is only as good as what you put in the blender!

If there's bias, bias was single! Trump’s—were dead even! But Trump won by a lot! Yeah! Yeah! Trump, and he won the popular vote! Who the hell saw that? He po—like four million, five million!

So Trump is somebody who doesn't PLL! Why is that the case? Because these people pulling—first of all, what are they doing? They're calling some subset of phone numbers who answer first! Who even answers the phone from an unknown number?

That's one! Two, and if they if they answer the phone they’re like, “Hello? Hi, my name is Robert and I have some questions for you.” Like, go fuck yourselves! Hang up the phone! Have you ever let them get past that? No! No way!

Like bang! So the kind of people who get through, it’s a certain selection bias too! Yeah! And then they're like, and like who you going to vote for? You going to vote for the first female black president or you going to vote for a fascist, racist?

So that's how they ask the question, and you're like, “Oh well if you put it that way!” If you put it that way! Yeah, young over here said something to the effect of people are tired of the elites telling them how to be!

So again, it's this kind of naggy, they're so nag kind of vibe! Like—and—and you see this in in some of the ads too, like—like when Barack Obama went out and was like, “Black guys! What are you doing?”

Yeah! “Stop misbehaving!” “Stop being so up!” He fucked that up! And he also himself had like said that that's not a good tactic! Um, and I think that, yeah, nobody tells you—the worst example of elite telling you what you should do is Co!

I mean is it not? It is! It is! And we're still recovering from that! You need to stay in your house, you need to close the schools, you need to close—you need another booster! They abandoned social—abandoned poor kids!

They abandoned black kids! The party that claims to defend, you know, minority poor children, they screwed them! You know what they looked in that? Per disappointed! Disappointed by what?

It looks disappointed! He's disappointed by just being in my presence! I'm that much better! So, so they showed again this idea that the rich top of the Maslo hierarchy preaching down the pyramid is not a good look!

And it doesn't benefit the down pyramid people! Has really—I mean you could say okay yeah, civil rights, great! Like that was a success! Old-school liberal.

Let me go, you've bridged it perfectly to the issues! Okay, so from my theory with Trump is a couple things! One point, I want to preface this by saying is that you know people say like, you know um...

By the way, he's looking at PornHub! He's not actually. My blood pressure was too high! Zoom, I gotta bring it down! Okay, yeah! I don’t come to your—I don't come to your house and tell you how to be!

That's true! I'm a naggy elite! Yeah, okay, so it's true—no so—oh, so the first thing I want to say is that you know, I think people think that the gold standard to know how someone voted is imagine we asked everyone when they come out of the polling booth why did you vote the way you voted?

And they say, “Well I voted because of immigration!” So we write that one—immigration one! This! But to be honest, that's not even the gold standard, because that's just how they say they voted!

The real gold standard would be if you had candidates embody different things and then you like repeat the experiment! Like if you made Trump a little bit more pro-immigration would they then vote for him?

But so you can't do the perfect study! My point is that stated versus actual preferences are different things! Having said that there's not even any good survey on stated preferences!

I mean, the literature—and I'll just say this real quick! BK standard who just donated five bucks says Trump won because the economy is bad and Kamala said she wouldn't do anything differently! She also went on Breakfast Club instead of Joe Rogan!

Exactly! Well so I think a couple things are going to come up on my list! Okay, so the next thing I'm going to say is I'm going to give a big list of topics and I want to—I want to argue that I bet for some people it's going to be the economy, for some people it's going to be immigration, for some people it's be how they campaigned, right?

And—and he's building a patchwork of different groups of people and that's how he's getting over the total! Some people are voting based on some! So here are the things I think they're voting on!

One immigration! So I think whether you know the original Biden Harris allowed a huge influx of undocumented immigrants in the beginning! Yeah! They then wanted congressional action claiming they couldn’t use executive action which of course they could use!

And they ultimately did use executive action! So they kind of obviously lied or misled about their ability to use executive action to do something! They didn't do anything about it! And then of course you get, you know, stories of uh illegal immigrant killing some girl in a college town and it’s blown up into a big generalization!

It's blown up into generalization and it's also like just, you know—I mean that's not good for anyone's politics! Like if you let in somebody illegally and then they kill some college, that’s like—remember DUC and the furl? I don't remember! I'm not that old!

How old do you think? Sometimes I forget I'm dealing with a child! A millennial! The worst of the child! Don't you remember when Lincoln was campaigning?

Don't you remember when Lyndon B. Johnson said, “So what did? Well, so George Bush ran the Willie Horton ad that that Dukakis had furloughed? This was a black guy. Furloughed him and he went out and killed someone! And that was considered like one of the earliest like—he was soft on crime! Soft on crime!

And also this—racial tinge to it and all of that! And the Bush campaign actually kind of distanced itself from that after H.W. Bush! I say yeah, H.W. and he crushed Dukakis!

That he did! He crushed him mostly because Dukakis went in a tank! Remember that? Oh you—sorry, you weren't alive! Uh, it was '88! I was alive!

Tried to look hard on defense and he sat in a tank and he’s like five foot tall! He’s like me and he looked like a total tool bag! But meanwhile Trump pulled off the truck! I thought the garbage truck!

Oh but the liberals said that and oh look he almost fell! He couldn’t even open the door! He looks like an idiot! So it all depends on your…

Yeah, I think that yes! No but! But honestly! You know of course I’ve heard it before! Like many people say they hate the guy but they also love the guy! Like, “I hate his guts! Oh my God, I love him!”

I know, they're just fine! “I'm not voting for you, but I like you!” No! It's so interesting that people would deny how that—but I think it was that they just didn't see any of it!

What they would do is keep blaming things! Like you're mocking and screaming into the void! It makes it easier! Yeah!

And that's where I think it's true! Yeah! Politics politics! That’s true! What did you expect?

You want to know what the next thing is? I’m still marinating on all that! I think that you know? And then if you really believe they did all those things you, then it's such an easy position to take—a chance to be so dismissive, all the dumbass idiots we live with!

You think of those people who are just laughing about how to defend themselves? They no like policy!

Meantime they have an ideology that actually is a shit show! You can talk about that, they don't watch anything! That's how it was! There was a guy who said, I can vote locally!

But locally what you mean? Nobody didn’t understand national politics! And watch what happened! When you see 250,000 retweet that I don't believe in!

Yeah, all those people made it up! Right! Than abolish people's awareness, just the way they want—

And for every 100,000 others who got somebody who liked your post, that's not surprising! I guess it frustrates me because I want to be heard, but the truth is, if you don't vote locally and view the data on your own status!

That's the biggest piece! That's the funniest thing ever and that emotional thing, because they haven't witnessed it!

But to me, this reminds me of nothing really provides substance! They have to engage in local government in a way that sustains their political growth!

That makes it hard, because there's also something so off about it by always jerk-offs! Right! And then I don't have to care!

You mean something just gets pulled away! No, you’ve only voted because the people you want don't represent you!

Yeah I’m right! I mean but you know that makes me—oh he’s gone! Who’s gone? Your person’s gone!

Is that not going on? You know I keep getting in news and news about what? No, it's the same thing! People keep getting told and they think!

By the way, you talked like you just got out of the car for something and it’s still coming in from outside! No one cares about you, dude, I mean—

That's true! That's your only path! Exactly! It does make sense! So I feel like that!

Most of them feel like they’re so absorbed! Just grow and come up! That's why back in '08, and I was still 19!

Just the sense of meritocracy was a case that you'd support! And each of those individuals couldn't understand what happened!

You know what? I’m here! And from that time, you have all those barriers in place! You know what they tried and failed? Yeah!

Right, and so that's what you're saying about it! That higher education, that motivation to come up! No school!

That's like what you're absorbed! That stops! Exactly! That's great school! It was a terrible time! And so what—the average professor you go to today does a shit job!

And it's some party, they're saying? Yeah! Party, you see! You know? What the hell! And the only thing is gone!

And they feel that they can send their kids to college! And it’s dependent on how they engage in life! And that's true!

You don't do anything! Yeah, yeah! That's right! That's weird! And the only thing is there!

And they say they feel satisfied! That's not my point of view! What do you think? I mean! I can't find any way to laud over students about certain professors!

Are you dumb! That's kind of a lost thing being posted! You know? They fostered it, the rev or whatever you call it!

So it's bred into this whole thing! Victory down public high! They don’t think students want to learn!

To equip their mind! You know, there's something annoying about, “Oh, I don’t get you!”

It creates resentment and creates barriers! That's—who would fume that power? You know what I mean!

Right! Politics, it's about winning elections! It's about what ideas best keep people about what they want to be told!

People need to lose! That answer's been battered around!

Need to lose ground! If you care, you're bound to people exploring, and letting that define them!

And a regime of absentee people! It's always been driven down by your thought!

The people by equals people! That's why higher education people, they keep it out of their environment!

These conversations are practically worth our time—that's why they vote! Why they were drawn or drawn out! At what time the broaden! All of them to be drawn out!

But people get there! Affected by their living! They just don’t look better! All that! And then they ignore it and don't run from it!

Right! That's how they ebb through—less thoughtful practice! They redirect that stress!

Yeah, but I mean we really do take a while!

We have a really really long conversation!

Well that is true! It will resonate! And education creates a semblance!

Just shuffle it! The largest degrees of that meeting! A semester!

They’ll learn this lesson around that time! Manage that bigger time here and now!

Those economic functions—they need a gutted voice! Intriguing—yeah!

What do you think of spiraling this big midterm or whatever!

I know if I lived through six years I can strategize at least through that—

We're likely to displace their views! Open up that box! And it goes for anywhere!

We're always in flux! And that goes for them! We have experiences referenced! The only thing they care about is they only suffer for the sake of it!

They'll round it up and drop it! Exactly! That’s the disjointed piece! Being in flux!

You can go along and pick it topic! Multiply negative selections!

I know, with all of this and that! Keep it rolling!

For anything real! No one leaves here good! I guess that's how it'll start! Where do we start?

Now that’s an actual conversation that’ll return! Living somewhere and fundamentally don't give a damn about the greater side!

No doubt, it’s always been donned! Outsource that! Making home appointments! Those serving their misdeeds!

And really, as a psyche—come down to power!

And unity is all I have left! Ugh! I rolled too big again!

Every random conference will be maligned! Know for what it is!

Don’t drop! Watch life coil into every mistake!

And all that's worried I could be! That’s like they want people to come forward!

Tell me this!

It wasn't about voting! It was nailed down!

There’s got to be a compromise we value a lot!

Do you remember when it worked for me?

Yeah! Emotional energy is told!

I helped for many who rode the fence!

And teachers now are just invading the distractions!

You know politicians distract selves! They message their needs!

Right! And the crazy shit is there!

Oh yeah, rolling back there too!

No thank yous regarding rules!

Damn!

Stop it!

It was there!

What do you mislead?

Ah! What do you think?

I just cringe! Words like breathe!

Your understanding—grab that issue!

Okay? You do need to explore another time!

The stark reality confirms!

They’ll plead!

Just, at that moment!

Lessens best!

Just the immigrants!

They're stuck—and they're lunchless!

Now I can see where it brings down—

That they each can't trust!

They don't take your hands for friendship!

They’ll just roll in endless imperfections!

Demanding talk!

God, we’ll run around that—they would disrupt!

The degree matters! I want to loosen—to loosen that time!

Of moments around without feelings!

You better just drop!

Hey! Keep it on! Those dollars eat what those funds choose for!

Lose your point!

Your exclusivity is that right!

Just look and shoot who speaks for it!

You know?

Wow! So what you got?

We're only voice-activated around that!

And watch each person hover around!

Grab a fly on each!

And I don’t weigh on hell and space!

You're shouting—we need to park around!

With no resolve!

You mean to flow off our backs and erase!

That being you!

No way ever!

Watch that tab!

Those thoughts would wind down!

With no real sense will fall in place!

Right!

Yeah right! Exactly—I got a tooth!

I'm ready!

We have a flow on learning!

It's easy to lose your occupation and realize that!

Thoughts evade them!

Keep your head down!

God, that one night with VP, and we’ll catch no sleep!

Just serve, and be on that level!

I think that how you've pushed through it!

Wait, what?

Where are you off with that?

I don’t get him!

They're lost in those side discussions!

Change the style!

I never did nothing to scream!

If they could catch a break—they've seen avoid that!

What I'm saying is meant at last!

There is always someone stuck on a round!

Where’s that going?

Keep life alive!

It's crazy!

How slowly political shapes—

All those responses that hold the grounds!

How you divide and push through!

Let’s just play for that!

With all those class fields!

And then prove a wide-ranging thing!

No alone, no parallel!

Give no defenses!

It's almost spine each time with!

Those cycles really—

You just see the work you're standing in!

Just be the clutch!

Positions are granted!

You're only losing that touch!

And keep at that fold!

Barely through!

Settle on steady—

Everywhere across lenses!

You look and step in abstract potential!

And then you’re there!

I try to think the right matter!

That’s the glare! It's always been said!

What do you bristle?

Catch that time!

Watch that principal!

Go through just deeper values!

You've gripped themselves!

You shouldn’t have surfaced!

What are you seeking? What of it?

Not every time—be withdrawn!

Yeah, to curb so much of comfort! For the ride!

What?

Well—I don’t get you!

They want to rob?

Feel it for just folks that have held on the peak!

What it means!

Grab every bit!

And not wrapped up!

But I've never even touched it!

And hold Oxford!

Very leblidian!

That's the level you're weighing!

Sounds exclusive!

Might not be the split!

What?

Ever on?

I don’t think I should tease through with whatever!

That preserves any motivation!

Right?

Their mind is still unforced!

You want me?

I'm trying to float it!

What if they can describe this moment?

You might not make it!

I'm being entertained!

Those options cancel around!

Well, darn it!

You’re only that parched anew!

Pow-wow!

I mean, quit acting like it’s unknown!

Put out!

That's about every wish that’s clear!

And pretty sad!

Remember staring down?

No one likes that!

With some stuck-on moment before!

Yeah! What do you love?

You've called out more from that!

If you've got the real touch, you’ll know a tie!

Earned fools!

Every consistent flow's built on!

That’s where... that one felt stronger!

Yeah—!

Just get ahead!

And change the room!

That they behave with!

But at least...

It grows out there!

Can carry your sense to further!

You're an outlier there!

Without returns more, ignore the fray!

What!

What mere lapse!

Yes! How long you in?

You have clocks that matter!

And if give a long-ling task done, how easy cared...

Hinged Dragon!

I know!

What’s the next block?

Always!

That no answer you could shoot!

Doesn't matter!

Your cringe returns!

Where's you want it back?

Alright.

This is the flow!

Much parting that return!

No review!

This thousands!

What falls to one stream!

You might need to survive around!

Ever, ever!

Gone fund your date stroll knoll!

No way...

No boy—!

Who do we think can just do that!

Right—

Expand the lane!

Yeah, that's push back!

What!

It goes and leads!

Always!

Just leverage!

That's my mind!

Just weave safely!

You know them well!

Always!

You can venture toward it!

That be like...

Me needs my coat!

What were you weighing—?

To the line!

What disconnect?

Please reset your time!

You're lucky...

Economic Insight was that not every water system had fluoride implemented at the same time span, so you can do a difference-in-difference analysis stratifying for fluoride implementation in different places, which didn't occur at the same time. Meanwhile, secular trends like IQ will be spread, right? So that's the logic. Got it?

But to be honest with you, I'll come back to that question because I want to do a full lit review and good. Yeah, because I'm interested in this question because I'm actually agnostic on, because in Portland, I didn't have fluoride.

Yeah, so smart, so smart, so smart. I don't have fluoride because I use reverse osmosis. It takes it all out, and now cavities all the time.

Really? Actually, yeah. Well, the other thing about... so then I think this begs the question, which is what is a cavity?

Yeah, okay, let's talk about this real quick. My daughter went to the dentist down the street and said, "Oh, you've got two cavities," showed me where the little thing was sticking, this, that, the other thing, and I'm like, "So they charge 200 some odd bucks per cavity?" To basically, they didn't even have to number because they were that superficial.

Drilled them, put it in, tortured her. She's now got sensitivity. They did the same thing: "Cured! You're cured! Now you're better!" I think it's [ __ ] [ __ ] show me the data that those would have progressed to any problem.

Now you're cooking with gas! Show me that there isn't a bias. And I've told them before when they've showed up in me, I'm like, "Nope, not going to do it." Years later, they've never even brought it up again because they either regressed or they were never there.

They always say the biggest risk factor for cavities is sugar, but the biggest risk factor is a dentist.

A dentist! Actually, it is true if you never saw the dentist.

So, okay, so I'm 100% convinced that if you have a hole in your tooth and it hurts, it requires something. It requires... okay, the next thing I'm not convinced on: the X-ray. I think I'm convinced that you shouldn't do it. I am going to refuse X-rays from now on.

Yeah, yeah. For all purposes, everything.

Yeah, my Pyron's disease—Google it! Like, Google it. Keeps hooking, it's hooking, but it's only visible on MRIs.

So, but there's a bone—where's a bone? I was like, "You'd dolphin most calcified at this point. It's mostly calcified." That's okay, they have to Google that one.

Um, yeah they'll Google. Okay, so dentist. Okay, so I'm 100% convinced if you have a whole fillet, and I'm 100% X-ray is not great. And then what is the definition of cavity?

The definition: they have a little metal prong, a little sharp point, and they touch it on the surface of your tooth. And by stick, they mean as they lift it upward. If there's any resistance on it—any tugging on it—they define that as cavity.

Now, where is the evidence? As I come to you, not just the natural history of those things, that if you fill them today it's better than if you fill them in the future or never. Something may never be filled, and they just don't have any evidence for that.

So then now I want to look at the fluoride literature with the back-end caveat that, are we looking at real dental cavities or are we looking at... yeah, [ ___ ] superficial?

And this is true in every part of medicine where there's like early breast cancers that would regress. If every part of every part of medicine—like there is an asymptomatic clinically inert phenotype of disease, and you shouldn't score that from blood clots on... you know, I get pissed about this because I...

I orthodax—next, I think they also suffer.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're like, I mean, I didn't do it, and look at me, so I have like many parts that makes me think about. One part is just the simp thing where they're like, um quote, "The most beautiful smile is where all the teeth are perfectly in place."

Okay, but my first question is, is that even true?

Yeah, go do a study. Correct, and I think references— you know the actress Margaret Qualley? I don't actually; she's in "The Substance."

Oh, I actually don't know her well. Anyway, she's—it's first of all very good movie, he by French director, it's listed as a horror film, but it's hardly a horror film.

It's more about a commentary about aesthetics in the world, particularly on women in Hollywood, brilliantly filmed, but she's portrayed in that film as like the quintessential it girl. She's like the it girl, like she's the most beautiful girl.

Okay, she has a gap between her teeth. Okay, but like I was like, "Everyone's going to look at her and say and see her smile and say like if anything it enhances her beauty," right?

Like she doesn't have perfect teeth, but if anything, it enhances her beauty; doesn't take away from it.

So I think the first thing is, like is that even the case? The next thing is, um, obviously they want to start kids younger and younger in the orthodontist because it's more cash, cash, cash.

So can you achieve the same result by doing less of it? Minimize the time in that little— and they talk like, I just went through this with my daughter.

They wanted to pull out four of her teeth to make room.

Oh, yeah! And I was like, "So what's the data that that does anything?" Well, some people think this, some people think that.

Okay, so I just heard some people think a couple times. I haven't heard anything about data, so we're not doing that. "People are saying..."

Yeah, yeah, that's right! Some people say people are saying that Venezuela and gangs are raping moms!

Eating the kitties.

Oh, eating the kitties! They're eating the cats!

He looks like BJJ—oh, UFC Roy!

Oh, wait, what are we talking about? Oh, oh, Steve Hubbard who donated says, "I won't stop leaving comments until Z acknowledges that he looks like BJJ and UFC legend Royce Gracie."

Also, the world needs a VP JRE appearance. I agree with that part.

I don't know anything about UFC, but I'll say JRE, why not? I'd love to go!

Yeah, why not invite him?

Joe, come on! He used to follow me on Twitter when I was on Twitter, now I'm on nothing.

You're like, "I'm on Blue Sky, Joe, Blue Sky, Joe. Mastodon at me, bro!"

Mastodon at me, Joe! Not going on [ __ ] Mastodon!

Do you know? I just think to me that's— I just, I really—they're so pathetic.

They didn't delete Twitter when Elon got it; they didn't delete Twitter all this time, but when Elon has success, now they delete—like such a, just like no standards.

I don't know what's worse: people who just stay on and complain. I was trying to leave it back when the California Academy of Sciences thing went down.

Oh, [ __ ] those people! [ __ ] them all, dude! All the hell they lost so badly, that makes me happy that they're squirming.

Yeah, well, that's another—that's another, like— that's part I'm talking about, like that was an example where it actually affected you.

Like, I just want to go to this museum and they're like, "Boost your daughter, yeah, who's going to wear a mask and has to wear a mask."

And they like— and where are her dental X-rays?

Like, what the [ __ ]? And she still has four extra teeth!

Four extra teeth! Four extra teeth!

[ __ ] over-toothed daughter! You're bringing unvaccinated over-toothed [ __ ] daughter!

You're bringing—she's over-toothed! Like, your process is overclocked! It's melting!

I haven't seen something this bad since your Pyron's disease— all calcified, all of it! And you won't even get an X-ray?!

No! Straight to—Emma!

The FDA is a failure, is my fourth point.

What? Who is BFD?

The FDA! Oh, the FDA! It rubber stamps too many useless products.

It needs to remove itself from the picture or demand randomized TRS.

Well, go ahead! They just removed a [ __ ] oral feninine—so they removed oral feninine products from the shelf just to make room for more ineffective products?

In their branding—we just need the shelf space? We still got space for GU fenison—put some AIC canab up there, we got no space for Xsis 47 and Xsis 57 and AIC canab.

No space for the cancer drugs? Get this oral... get this [ __ ] decongestion off the shelf and put some more useless drugs up.

Yeah, they just want different useless drugs on the shelf, the costly ones, not the cheap ones!

Agreed! Okay, by the way, it's really homoerotic that we get to share this mic, I just want to let you know that!

CMS should stop paying for things that don't work.

I would take 5% of CMS budget and run randomized trials of things that don't have data.

Okay, yeah, children's nutrition. I think RFK Jr. is correct that children need better food.

I— right? They need to be served good, nutritious food.

A lot Japan and France!

Honestly, I think the way to solve it is literally you hire like ethnic chefs and give them the budget.

Yeah, go, go!

Actually put my mom in charge of it. She'd crush it! Totally, she's like, "Oh my God, samba!"

Exactly! Everybody's going to eat ghee straight out the can!

Samba! I mean, som—oh my God, they'd be so gassy, these kids! All that— all that— they'd be, no, their microbiome will adjust! They'll be—it's your IQ will go up with that!

That's true! You could put all the... you could take two fluoride—take it direct!

Mainline the fluoride!

Le SARDs! Of course you're—okay, I have a question. Do you know this answer? Does fluoride work by coating the teeth or is it orally absorbed and then incorporated into the matrix of teeth?

I think it's bloodstream absorption and then it's incorporated in the matrix of teeth.

So you could IV it!

Yeah, you could IV fluoride drip!

And my understanding is that like the topical fluoride, you know, foam they put in your mouth, another one of their great interventions—

They put that—it tastes like [ __ ]—

Tastes like balls!

Yeah, well you'd know!

I mean, some say balls taste like that, some people are saying.

Um, so yeah, like I don't know, like I've heard that that doesn't penetrate teeth very well.

Yeah, I don't think so! As a lifetime of drinking fluoride!

But, you know, also there are other countries that don't fluorinate the water, and also they don't folate the cereals, you know, right?

And there are other countries that don't mask two-year-olds, don't close the schools, right?

Don't mandate boosters!

I don't want to dismiss them out of hand! Learn more about it!

Yeah, processed food! I mean, I think Kelly Casey and Kelly Means have good ideas on processed food.

And I think Alex Baron is a point: repeal vaccine indemnification, so the 1986 law that prevents vaccine companies from being sued.

Okay, so here's what my friend told me: he said that like if you allowed vaccine makers to be litigated, it would be just like medical malpractice—a disaster!

Yeah, but to me, I think it would be more like litigating Pepcid and Claritin, which can be litigated, because you can litigate a pill. And that hasn't been such a disaster.

Um, and then the other thing to say to it is that the other difference is that when the vaccine act was passed, vaccines did not make a lot of money, but now you make a hundred billion!

Ah, okay, cuz that was the argument is back then the companies were saying it's not worth us staying in the game if we're going to get sued all the time because we don't make any money on these vaccines anyways, so they passed that act and the vaccine court and all that, now they're rich!

Ah, but only on certain vaccines! Correct, right?

So you almost have to—yeah, the [ __ ]—just sh—

The most useful vaccines are the cheapest.

Are the cheapest, if not practically free!

Yeah, practically free!

Now that's interesting! I haven't thought about this since I did a video on this a few years back when it was just childhood vaccines we were talking about.

And they still weren't making a ton of money on vaccine!

Maybe the HPV vaccine they're making money on, I guess.

The other thing I would say that, like, you know, obviously RFK Jr. has a lot of energy on vaccines.

One thing that I think that to take that energy is to create a better phase four surveillance system.

Like in this country, who told us about myocarditis?

It's the Israelis!

Who told us about it? The Europeans!

This country, we didn't even detect the safety signals, so we need a safe system where we detect the safety signals!

Yeah, yeah! Yeah!

I'm going to acknowledge one of my supporters here, CHF, uh, basically pervasive doubt thoughts coming up for me.

And then they say, "Thought, thoughts, thoughts!"

So this is one of my, uh, more spiritual circles where we're a big believer that thoughts don't really—um—their appearances, that's fine.

We still have to play in the relative world of this. We still have to work with other humans.

And so, in which case, thoughts have relative value, relative utility, like a tool.

Like our mind is a beautiful tool, a terrible master!

That reminds me of like a quote—like something like David Hume where he said that, you know, he spent all his days writing about, "Do we exist? Do I exist? How do I know?"

But at night when you come by the fireplace and sip a glass of wine, it feels very real!

It's totally real! In fact, this is a miracle how real it is!

Like, it's absolutely—why pretend that it's an illusion? Even though it is an illusion, why pretend it's anything?

Illusion? Here is the ponies! That's not an illusion! That's the only thing real!

That's as real as a heart attack!

All right, back to you!

Well, I guess the tenth one... oh, the ninth one was fire Peter Marks at FDA because I don't like him and I—so many—he pushed out Gerber and Krauss.

He has a reckless attitude, he wants to lower the bar for gene therapy.

And the tenth one was to eliminate direct-to-consumer advertising!

I agree with that—products!

Well, that's what I think Bobby can do! That's helpful!

And, um, you know, I think that instead of being a crybaby like all these people, I see—put out 10 things that he can do as success.

Take what he's saying: "I distrust corporations, I distrust this," and come up with 10 productive things he can do.

I think that's a much better use of our time!

Well, you have no choice; it's not like you're going to depose him in some, like, I don't like the guy because of his previous childhood vaccine stuff...

Childhood vac—but he's definitely directionally correct on these other things.

So why throw the baby out with the bathwater at this point, as long as he doesn't ban childhood vaccines?

Which, um, if he does that, then there's going to be a conversation, right?

I mean, sure, lots of people will have that conversation because you're not going to find a country that's on that!

You can't even point to that!

Yeah, so that's what's interesting!

So I want to do like one research project I asked somebody to do on my team was, I want to see is there like a nice chart that any—people can tell me this, email me on my website VKProadlab.com—

I want to find a website that shows side-by-side country by country comparison that is MH.

So which are the ones that are common in all countries and which ones they're different?

Ah, interesting! Okay, and the timing and then to think around that!

Yeah, because maybe the thing you can get sort of a compromise on with RFK is to say, "Look, what if we were to randomize two different childhood schedules: current U.S. schedule or—

Yeah, Sweden schedule, right?

So randomly, and then follow in one year and see if there is any—and then you could look for safety signals too!

Because if there is any safety signal, you'll see those differences.

And one of the safety signals would be like, "You get cases of measles because they haven't been vaccinated!"

I think, but all countries will have the measles. The ones they disagree on is like... hi and the time... things like that.

So, but then I think: Look, sometimes the best randomized study is not all versus nothing!

Sometimes it's incremental differences!

You know, people need to know the history of...

Yeah, yeah! No, I think that's very rational! We got to take the energy!

Take the energy, take it!

Direct it like chi!

I don't know what chi is.

Um, he may ease requirements for vaccines for school.

So I mean, people can feel about that whatever they want, but if like this—if you want to settle the question, you got to answer the question: what are the safety signals?

What are the benefits? Quantify them!

Right?

I just think that he can ease vaccine requirements, but then four years, whatever, some democrat comes, they're going to raise it back!

Whiplash! Whiplash!

And the problem is there's unscientific thinking on all sides of this!

So RFK's unscientific thinking is, "Look, there's so much autism! Look, it corresponds with when we started giving vaccines, therefore the vaccines are causing so much autism!"

We need to look at that very carefully!

And it's like, "Well, okay— okay, uh, that's, you know, we need the—if you're going to do that."

And there's been quite a bit of looking at that, right?

I think there's a very deep, like, I would say pretty solid paper from Anders—Anders, what's the last name?

Hawid from like Denmark!

Yeah! Um, and it is Mr. Vaccines and Autism, Annals of Internal Medicine 2023.

It's pronounced, Annals.

And it shows that it doesn't increase autism with an upper bound confidence of 1.05!

So it excludes all but the, you know, 1.01 to 1.04, you know?

So it's a very negative study.

Uh, but again, negative studies don't take it down to 1.0. You know, so like, okay, so you could debate on how to improve it.

But, I mean, that particular product, I think that's a— that's a very tough, that's a bad claim he's making!

I mean—yeah, yeah, yeah! You know?

Yeah, so that's where I think he hangs up!

Uh, otherwise, like, he's directionally right!

Casey and Cy Means are directionally right on those other things as well, which we've talked about.

Um, directionally right or like there's some root intuition that's right?

I think they have to take it and put it in the right direction!

People are telling me that chi is energy in Chinese.

I know! I was just kidding! I don't know what chi is!

I'm all too familiar with chi! In fact, I'm going to use it on VP after this show.

I'm going to blow out his pineal gland, 'cause apparently that's affected by fluoride according to some of the comment!

That's also the seat of the identity, according to Big Deart!

Yeah, that's right! The pineal!

Forget about melatonin and your sleep-wake cycle! This is the self!

Is there—see, I'm at the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy.

I'm like shelter—like I'm literally walking from spot to spot.

That's true!

This guy's at the bottom!

Honestly! Honestly!

Spot to space heater to space heater!

You're just going from heat source to heat source like a [ __ ] helot!

Like a thermotropic bacteria!

And you're like, "What's the meaning of life?"

I'm like, "It's so cold!"

Zoe?

Shut up!

Shut up!

And I'm like, "And why would you come to my dinner party?"

I'm meditating! I was like, [ __ ] [ __ ] your meditate!

[ __ ] medit! I'm applying chi to my Pyron's disease!

Oh man, you know, got to pray it away!

That's kind of the theme of this whole thing, man!

You got to take care of the b...s before you can hold the tip!

Are you talking about the ponis or... neither?

And both!

Yeah, neither and both!

Um, all right, what else?

I think we almost did a thing here.

Really?

How long?

Well, an hour and 20!

Oh my goodness!

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Those are the ones that I delete—oh!

Email Zubin deletes!

Speaking of delete, like if you're like Joe and you're in my supporter tribe, you are in the tribe that's like, "Well, let's dissolve our egos entirely and go into the void!"

So if you're into that, zdoggmd.com/supporters!

Do you think expanding access to poor quality care is worse than no care?

Very little evidence is independently practicing mid-levels are a good idea.

So it's an interesting question.

Interesting question! It's probably a big long—I guess my scope of my foreign answer is that I think that, um, like when people talk about health care as a human right, I think they've—that to me that cannot possibly mean anything you could want, right?

Like you can't have a human right to just want an echo for shits and giggles.

To me it has to be some core amount of health care that's truly evidence-based.

They say, "Oh, they don't get—whatever, plas-exch."

Like Brian Johnson on a whim!

Like they mean like things that we know work at high value! That's right!

And I do worry that what we have done in the United States is we don't— like affordable care did nothing to solve that problem.

They don't give a [ __ ] about what's high value!

They just wanted to get people access to health care!

So you get a lot—you get people access to a mix of valuable things and crazy batshit crazy things that don't work and that do more damage!

Like health care cost could go up, batshit crazy medicine can erode health outcomes, and you can make people sicker!

So I do think there's a worry. This is something I've said for a long time. If you're building a health 3.0 system, you have to stop doing a lot of stuff to people!

You have to stop doing a lot of stuff!

And you can expand access to the stuff that works, like you said, which is relationship-based, coordinated, evidence-based care, like... and nutrition and public—

You know, the actual things that like we've been talking about during this whole show!

Like a good model health care would be like some sort of public assurance you're going to get some core health care and then you can pay for private insurance on top of that!

Like a German model!

Yeah, or—and the German model say he's not for-profit insurance companies competing too!

Here's another part of the question though; I don't know if we want to touch this, but very little evidence that independently practicing mid-levels are a good idea.

Have you looked at this? This is the third rail of medicine!

Well, yeah, I mean mid-levels meaning nurse practitioners, physician assistants, etc. I guess to me one of the challenges is that, um, you know, it's easy to be a doctor and say mid-levels suck, which I think is a mistake to say.

Age!

And I think that it's like if anything, there are like a distribution—oh, can anyone see?

Oh yeah, put here!

I'll help!

Oh, we put it out of focus! So we have to put it back here!

Here's your distribu—

There are two bell curves. I mean, you could argue that there is a median difference between an MD and an NP.

Like the average MD may know more things than the average NP, right?

But that doesn't mean that the distribution is probably overlapping, that like the worst doctor is way worse than the best NP!

And the same might be true for MD-DO, dare I say—

Dare I say!

I know everyone's going to kill me, but they're always like, "DOs are just the same as MDs."

I'm like, "Oh, I mean, you can be great DO doctors, but on there's an average slight average difference, and it might just be the selection bias of getting into the program."

That's all! It may not be the training at all!

Same thing for the NP! It might be a selection bias of who chooses to do it!

Right?

But having said that, I personally would rather have three competent NPs than one incompetent doctor any day of the week!

Or even one competent or three incompetent doctors!

Or I would go a step further and say I would rather have an NP with incredible inter-relational ability who can put me at ease and calm me down from asking for all the things I don't need, than a doctor who's a total dick who wants to do a bunch of stuff to me!

Yeah!

Um, so—and my parents have said that they've interacted—they're both physicians!

They've interacted with NPs that they prefer to the doctors sometimes!

Yeah, yeah!

So I guess—and the other thing is, like, also NPs are like used to go to places that doctors don't want to go anymore!

Yeah!

Yeah, like all the places that, uh, the news organizations don't want to go to either! Coastal elite!

Coal!

Exactly! Like [ __ ]...

LaPorte, Indiana!

Yeah, exactly, exactly!

Mid-levels are more expensive?

I don't know. That's a tough one! Are mid-levels more expensive?

For—don't know!

Well, I mean, I think there's a nice study that like when some Arizona neurosurgery residency went bankrupt or something, and they had to replace the eight residents with NPs, and it took like 442... no, there—like something ridiculous, like 500 NPs to replace eight overworked residents!

Like it was really expensive!

But I mean, depends on what you're replacing. If you replace a family practice doctor, it might be cheaper!

But if you repace... I'll say this: I think the private equity takeover of healthcare and then trying to cut costs by using mid-levels, I don't know how well that's going to work.

Because private equity just doesn't seem to know anything about the actual practice!

Trash!

You know, Anthony DeJorio had a couple good suggestions. One was like, "Hospital doctors are prohibited from owning hospitals, right? But private equity can, right?"

How is that?

Yeah! It's like, okay, so give the people with no ethics except for money—like doctors at least they can fake having ethics for a minute!

Yeah!

And like Stark law stuff—like we can't do self-referrals and stuff, but I mean, some of those things should be eased up!

And then 340B! You know that 340B scam?

Tell me about 340B again, because it's been a minute!

340B is that if you are in a hospital that has some fraction of clients that are underserved, yes, you can purchase drugs through a program called the 340B program, buy these drugs real cheap.

And then you can sell them at the full price and keep all that SL!

That's how they make money!

And so they like have a hospital and it like partly has clients from some poor neighborhood, but they don't do [ __ ] for those people!

They take the cheap hemophilia drugs, buy that [ __ ] up, and then they fuse the rich people!

And then they take that mad cut, that mad cut!

340B is 100% scam and it should be—

Okay, now I have—I think in the past spoken for an organization of federally qualified health care clinics, who were using 340B to actually pay the overhead and take care of patients.

So you think...?

I think there's probably somebody—there's probably some that are doing it right, but probably the majority are not!

Yeah!

So maybe there's a way to reform it or to put some—or maybe just don't do it that way!

Like in San Francisco, not everyone is a shoplifter, but a lot—a lot of shoplifters!

That's right!

I can't get my deodorant unless it's behind glass!

Yeah!

Oh man!

So, you know, somebody who's not a shoplifter—

I don't know anyone who's not a shoplifter!

Everybody's shoplifted at some point and then either gotten caught or felt so guilty they turned it back in!

Skin!

Um, watching you, watching still, as you both are the best—oh, watching still, as you both are the best.

Trish, ay! Look, this was fun, like not the best of reading apparently!

No, no, apparently!

Yeah, well, you guys got to understand that thing—how many feet away from me is that?

Oh, they don't know how bad your vision is!

Show them your—show them your old—

I have such far—I'm so far-sighted! I can see like 2015, but anything closer than like a man's length I can't see!

So that monitor is like a good 40 feet from my head, and the text is this small!

That's the only way I can see it!

These are my Costco readers. That's how thick they are! They're like 12x magnifiers!

That's bad!

It's bad!

I have—I have 2010 vision.

I have like slightly better than...

Yeah, I did too! But you know what? That far-sightedness as you get older, you'll find it does lead to a little quicker presbyopia, in my opinion.

Like you'll get more and more far-sighted!

Like you'll find that you’re holding [ __ ] out like this and then you're wearing reading glasses!

But you're still young! See? You don't have that!

Are those fighting words?

Are we gonna... [ __ ] words?

Yeah!

All right, all right, right!

Well, that's good!

We're going to—one thing Van and I have in common, recently we discovered is, uh, we both do yoga!

That's true! I— we only recently discovered!

Right? And I'm really enjoying it now! I do it at least once or twice a day, really different types of yoga!

The yin yoga—which I don't want to tell where I do mine because then some going to track, someone will show up!

But I do do yoga; I find it very good!

Well, you know, I was like always like a weightlifting type!

And yeah, me too!

I mean, you can tell!

Obvious!

Obviously! Like we are Hans and Fr—

We're here to pump you up!

Uh, so like, obviously, but um—

But so I thought like yoga would be very, um, you know, too weak!

But it's not!

It's not! I thought it was wussy garbage new-age trash, and then I got the chi, and now I'm like, "Okay, buddy! I do this all day, every day!"

And do synchronize with breathing!

Yes, yes! Exhale! Absolutely!

Yes, I do my downward doggy style!

Really?

Yes, yes!

We going to do—show me some moves now!

No downward doggy style, but I'll show you my, uh, my warrior one!

Where?

What about your crow? Can you do a crow?

How? What's the crow? Dude, go on your—you put your knees on the back!

Oh, yeah, yeah, the crow!

I did that once, and the next day my wrist was like lit up like a [ __ ] Christmas tree!

I'm like, "How can I even spank it now?" Like my wrist!

Why do I have pseudo gou?

And somehow my Pyron straightened out!

I must have been tripod-ing, and then I was like, "Oh, are you free for the dinner party?" I was just doing crow, and I can't make it!

I can't hold a wine glass because my wrist!

My wrist!

I didn't know your social anxiety disorder is why you don't come to my parties!

It's bad!

It's bad!

Well, it's a social disengagement disorder!

Yeah! I just—too many people, and I just... yeah!

That's why I like seeing you! I could talk to you all day!

But like you throw one other person in the mix—it doesn't matter who it is—I’m like, you know, it's like a...

Like you need good guests for a dinner party!

That's why I want you there!

I know! See? You're using me because you know I'll be a good guest!

You need a good guest because like at dinner parties, we have like two or three bad guests.

Really?

Worse than no dinner party!

It's worse than no dinner party!

Worse than no dinner party! Although I consider no dinner party the gold standard of perfection!

Yeah! But see, you're in a different place in life too!

Like you're just energetic and you're going through the thing!

When I was young and full of life—

That's right!

Now I'm old, withered, and dead inside!

And when I was your age, I was—dude, I was totally seeking that [ __ ]!

Uh, now that's not to say that won't continue to be that way for me!

I came into my own!

You switched into the heated blanket mode!

That weighted heated blanket!

If you could get a weighted heated blanket, I would be on board—weighted heated blanket!

And like Zubin, why are you crying?

It's so perfect!

The election! The election!

I'm going to soothe myself with this weighted heated blanket!

Oh, Kamala!

Oh, and that's the other thing we didn't talk about—the fact that I don't know, did she—she never won a single primary!

Like, like they picked some, like literally had never won—

Yeah!

This whole thing was very odd, right?

It was very odd!

And, but I don't think any democrat would have won!

I really don't!

Short of like Michelle Obama and I don't even think she could have won!

No, I think that no Democrat could have won!

Yeah!

I don't think so!

But you know, I think that if Biden had been tough on the border, hadn't done capital injection in the market, and had handled COVID differently, then I think a Democrat would win!

A Democrat would win!

Like, I think it is due to their like root policy!

Yeah, yeah, yeah!

All right, all right! Well, that was... a hell of a lot of fun!

We already gave the call to action which is subscribe to all the things—sensible medicine, VPZ show on podcast.

If you like, subscribe here to Zog if you like my bald ass—someone said I look like Vin Diesel!

I prefer Vin Unleaded, honestly!

Vin EV!

Yes! Vin Electric!

Vin Electric!

The Hansen-Frances comment was the best!

Says Masm, hey!

You know, believe me now and hear me later.

By the way, what did you think of her showing up on SNL at the last minute?

K, oh, I mean, it was entertaining, but too little, too late!

Too little, too late!

Yeah!

Also, like, you see how great Maya Rudolph is though—she's good!

She's really good!

She should have done—Rogan was like, "Miss..."—I was like, "Why aren't you doing this?"

They had all kinds of demands on Rogan!

Yeah!

Like, it's like they don't even know Rogan!

Come here and do one hour!

It's like, do you even know what the show is?

Do you even know what this is?

Like, no wonder you're not winning over young men!

You know, what was that show she did that, um, Alex something, something podcast?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah!

Call me daddy?

They're saying that her, you know, her campaign blew a billion dollars in cash and they have a $20 million deficit.

And they say $100,000 was spent recreating the set so she didn't have to go there!

Like they brought her to, and they like recreated the set!

This is folly!

You know what I also think that you—like, the only thing worse than crying about the election is like donating to these people!

Like they just—

Oh, any of them!

Honestly!

Like, I’m not going to donate to any!

Watch them waste my money?

No way!

I need my money!

I'm living space heater to space heater!

This guy!

Yeah! Maslow!

Yeah, dude!

The bottom of the pyramid just has a VP on it!

Even the top of the pyramid shouldn't have—donating to these wasteful...

That's true! That's true!

They should be donating to the empty void at the heart of creation!

You should be subscribing to our substack!

Yeah, that's right!

If you're at the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy, spend your few frugal pennies!

Sub!

Follow me!

It's only $5 a month!

I mean, that's the, you know—so your child misses a meal, it's okay, but whatever they have Netflix, they're not watching!

Yeah!

That's right!

I mean, how am I supposed to afford these fancy mics and pay off VP to be my friend?

I need money!

I need your money!

Actually, don't!

I love you guys!

You guys are great!

All right, thanks, VP!

We're going to go get something to eat!

Until next time—now I gotta actually end this thing!

Let's see... I hit some kind of button over somewhere!

Oh yeah, here it is!

Don't hit the share your screen button then!

Oh! Share my screen, then they're going to see when neither one of us are wearing pants!

All right, guys, I love you, and we're out!

Peace!

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