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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the UFO Whistleblower Marathon. This is a three-part series, and each one of these three men has testified under oath in front of Congress. Our first guest is Michael Herrera, who witnessed a human trafficking operation in Indonesia where UFOs were involved.
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Michael Herrera, Sean, welcome to the show, man. Thank you for having me here, brother. It's an honor.
No, the honor is mine, dude. Seriously, there are so many people that are pivotal in this environment, I should say, that you've placed in this chair that have made other people uncomfortable with what they've talked about. A lot of people understand that not all is what it appears, so hopefully, I get to add to that and share with the rest of the world, at least in the sense of what you're doing. Because, like I told you, I'm not talking to the media about this.
Well, I appreciate it, brother. Well, you're all about the truth these days, just as much as I am, and it's ridiculous how much is being concealed for a narrative. Frankly, I'm disgusted with it.
I am too. You know, we try to do a number of things here, and the things that I really try to do are document history from our military heroes because nobody else is doing it, bring truth, uncover corruption, and bring hope. We bring a lot of hope, you know? A lot of guys that are struggling, a lot of women, you know what I mean, that are struggling and overcoming all that trauma. That's what we try to do here. But with you, we're bringing truth.
Yes, we are. And out of that, I want to bring hope too. You know, it's not just with what I'm dealing with amongst the other people here that have amazing stories too. As much as it sounds outlandish—and don't get me wrong, I can agree to that at least with the outside perspective—because before my event, I was actually very skeptical about it. Oh my God, that doesn't exist! ETs don't exist! Aliens don't exist! It's only out of movies and stuff, and it scared the [ __ ] out of me when I was a kid, you know, some of those movies. But then this event changed my life in that degree because it confirmed a lot that day.
It confirmed multiple facets, not just with the technology aspect of it, but just the level of corruption and how deep this thing goes. You know, needless to say, it's something that was a catalyst for other things to at least kind of change my life to start not looking into it directly, but just trying to go deeper into what actually makes things happen.
Yeah, you know, so let me give you a quick introduction here real quick.
Yeah, go for it.
So, Michael Herrera, you were in Indonesia in 2009. You had a UAP UFO encounter. You were a US Marine in the Second Battalion, Third Fifth Marines, and you were at Operation Katana, correct?
Yes, and Katana was in the Philippines. We didn't participate in anything that we actually got routed to go to Indonesia in that take. We only shipped, so a lot of people are getting confused with that. The rest of the Seventh Fleet stayed there, and we were the only element to actually go to Indonesia, far west inside of Sumatra. We'll get into all that.
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So, we connected through Dr. Greer, correct?
At his conference in D.C. He brought in a handful of whistleblowers; you were one of them.
Yes, Dr. Greer came on the show. He wanted a military audience, and I believe to get whistleblowers after the new law got passed.
Which it's funny you say that because in 2017, Dr. Greer actually came to Colorado. He was hosting an event in Boulder, kind of doing some disclosure, talking about some of the technology with UAPs and just reverse engineering stuff, just kind of going over the whole grand scheme of things. It was like a several-hour presentation, and I had my ex there at the time. I kind of hinted to her that I needed to talk about some things with him.
So, he was doing a book signing, so I go over to his table, I snag a book, and I'm like, "Hey, can you sign this?" And I was like, "By the way, there are some things I need to talk to you about." He kind of looked at me weird, and I said, "It's very serious." So, he handed me his card and he says, "Don't ever relay this information out to anybody."
And me knowing what I knew at the time, you know, which obviously there was some stuff that was in the works until they recently passed here last year, two days either before or after Christmas when they put this law, which I think is the only good thing the administration's done so far, to be realistically speaking. I don't care if that makes people uncomfortable to know, but it's helped me out among other people. It might be the only good thing he's ever done.
Fast forward to your show. You had him on the first time, and my fiancé and I were watching it, and that's when he started relaying the information and started talking about the law that was being passed. That's when I decided to reach out to him, and he knew exactly who I was, which was great. It was like talking to a friend for a while. I was able to call him out of the blue, and it was just like everything just resumed back to normal.
So, I expressed to him, told him my story, my encounter with this, and what happened. Then we arranged everything to go at least to talk with the Senate Intelligence Committee, Congress, Senate, Pentagon, all that fun stuff. It was a journey. It was definitely something that opened my eyes to a lot more because here I'm thinking my event was something that was more specific, but come to find out, I'm just a cog in a wheel with this whole big thing.
Because there are other facets that I'm also confirming these guys' stories to a degree, the corruption, secret organizations that have some pull in this, and obviously some of the nasty stuff that they're doing. There are other people down the road who are going to corroborate what I'm talking about too. I don't know who they are, maybe some of the Marines that I encountered this with too.
So, I'm hoping that that's what at least, if the message gets put out there from the show, I'm hoping that that's what it does. They can get people to actually do something about it and not be afraid of it like I was. It was 14 years, you know? A lot of weight to carry, trying to sweep it under. But the more you try to do that, whatever you resist persists. That's always a golden rule.
That's a good point. That's a damn good point.
So, just a quick synopsis here. You responded to a 7.6 magnitude earthquake, and a tsunami hit in Western Indonesia. Only your crew was routed to that location to provide support. Indonesia has a large terrorist population. The Marine crew was armed and tasked to provide security along with medical equipment and food supplies, but it was just your unit.
Yes, which there were five of you, correct?
Yes, there were. So, they ended up choosing the Marines out of my unit, at least in the company, to go out. So, it's not like every single Marine in the company was able to do this. They just handpicked people to go on these sticks of six Marines.
So, originally it was supposed to be more of a deterrence but also Overwatch protection, so that way these helos can drop the supplies. The logistics groups that were part of it can then render aid or whatever it is to the local population there.
Was it volunteer or were you hand-selected?
Hand-selected.
Okay, or voluntold, I should say.
Okay, voluntold. Good way to put it.
And I'm just curious, you know, what are you hoping to accomplish by coming out?
I want other people who have witnessed similar things or are part of certain things that are very controversial but end up being true to come out and understand that what's going on is not acceptable. This is just a facet of corruption. It may not be the political corruption that's coming out now that people are witnessing with their own eyes. People call them conspiracy theories.
What I'm hoping to achieve is to get other people on board to understand that the government supports what we're doing because they were in the dark about this too. Now they're coming out, and they're actually putting a hammer down. Recent bills have been passing as far as the legislation through the Senate Intelligence Committee, saying that these corporations have to give the goods here in six months, or else there are going to be some consequences they're going to face, either through the judicial system, which obviously the government has a lot of weight with that.
The other aspect of it too is that they're going to ban these companies from doing contracting work for the government, which means they're going to lose billions of dollars. They're going to go broke. So, I'm hoping that they actually comply with this measure because, one, this technology is going to help benefit humanity as a whole, not in a militaristic sense because it's just foolish. It's more to help out humanity because now everybody's going to be on the same level technology-wise.
I think the common ground here and the narrative with that is you're hearing people come out, at least in the mainstream media, trying to talk about ETs being evil. My event had nothing to do with ETs, and there are some misconstrued concepts going about. The technology may have come from ETs at one point, and that's what we witnessed, but we witnessed much more of a sinister plot with this that they're using it.
For people who don't know, in 2009 during this operation, that's why we were responding, obviously, with the humanitarian nature of this because the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, that's mainly what the expertise is, at least as far as Marines go. It's never really combat operations for the most part, even though Indonesia, among other parts of the world, are large networks for terrorists and insurgents.
So, having that expertise of going in and trying to help people, I think is also good to us because it teaches you the balance of it. Instead of being a warfighter, you actually get to help people instead of, you know, launching bullets at people. You're still helping people in a different cause. You still get to be heroes for people, which is great.
So, totally incidental, as far as our encounter when we went onto the slope, because we had our LZ. It was a hasty LZ, and they were dropping supplies. They had a bunch of stuff, and there were other helos too. They were kind of forming a perimeter on the city, dropping. We could provide Overwatch.
Now, the only thing that's unsettling with this is the fact that they never gave us any comms. You know as well as I do how risky that is.
You didn't have any comms?
We didn't have any comms. So, the Marine that was with me, who was of a higher rank than me, was very pissed off about it because he was a f***ing Marine, you know? So, he went through a lot of [ __ ].
I remember him telling me, "If everything ends up going to [ __ ], and you look at me, and if I'm fine, it means that you're going to be fine." I remember him telling us all that in the stick, you know? He's a good Marine; he's a very outstanding guy. I learned a lot from him during my time in, and I thought about that concept. But then he started picking things apart too; he wasn't very comfortable with that.
But luckily, the thing was that we were still relatively close enough to the LZ because when the bird was supposed to land, because obviously they were coming in, dropping the supplies, and they'd bank off. The last one that would come down would land; that's when we'd basically run to the Hilo, 300 meters. You're in good shape, and you have an average combat load, you know, 120 rounds, so to speak, with an M16 A4 and a camelback—not really much, you know? So, you can make that trek relatively quick.
But they also have security on those birds too, with the flight crew, with the gunners on the sides. They had .50s on them, so if there was some opposition, they were going to meet with those on top of us engaging them.
So, we were positioned near this slope. You know, it wasn't like a steep grade or anything, but it was enough to obscure what was going on on the other side. We had no idea what was going on, so we got, you know, naturally, you want to take the high ground so you have observation of everything.
This is when we came across this operation, and it was something that stuck out like a sore thumb because here you have terrain that is jungle terrain, very green vegetation, things like that, and then you have something that's sticking out right in the middle of an opening, and it looks very odd.
It's something that I'll remember for the rest of my life. To the day that I leave this Earth, I'm going to remember seeing that. I had a camera with me; it was a Panasonic cheap camera, you know? It was kind of like, you know, ancient compared to what you got set up in the studio, you know? But it was enough, at least, because it was part of stuff that I would never did a humanitarian assistance before.
So, I was taking videos of them dropping stuff off, things like that, until we trekked up to this point, taking some pictures because it's a place you would never really ever go to, at least the real part of Indonesia. It's not like Bali or Surabaya, where it's like touristy stuff, you know? This is where it's actual culture of people; you're actually seeing reality here.
So, it's stuff that I kind of wanted to document and just say, you know, I was a part of this. I can look back and say, you know, "Oh, I remember that." But then turning to look north past that slope and seeing that down, I took some video and some pictures of that.
I had, you know, I stuck it in my dump pouch. You know, I was a saw gunner, naturally, you know? So, I had an M249; that was my favorite weapon. I liked having a belt-fed machine gun as much as a pain in the ass. I liked having that compared to an M16 or an M4.
So, because we were humanitarian, all they did was give us M16 A4s, you know? They had it, um, ROS at that time; they weren't the AOGs that had the mills on the sides for windage and stuff like that, as well as the PVS-14s, you know? So, if we were doing any kind of night range or night operation, we'd have those with our PVS-14s.
So, it's just a very basic loadout that we were doing, you know? Nothing really crazy. And when we saw this happen, I want to say unidentified because right now it's identified. Everybody knows what they are now; they're either man-made or they're not. And if they're not, the government's coming out and telling people, admitting it—not directly, but they're still admitting it to a degree that it exists.
Because why would they spend time with this legislation coming out? That's a good point. Why would they do that if it doesn't exist? Why were they going through these measures to basically hold a gun up to these guys' heads and say, "You better relinquish this technology"?
They're not just doing it. Knowing and seeing this unfold, even being in this position of having to brief the Senate Intelligence among the Special Intelligence Service too, which oversees other agencies because they have no idea what's going on either. But the fact that all of us coming together and making this loud amount of noise to get something done about it is just astounding.
Now they're finally, for the first time in history, going through with this and actually trying to do something about it for their own understanding, but also knowing the corruption that comes from this.
Yeah, it's multiple different facets. I mean, you guys already, all five of you, right, already testified in front of Congress?
So, we testified to people of the Senate Intelligence Committee, where there were some Congress people there as well, some Senate, in front of the Intelligence Committee. And you know, as well as I do, in any kind of setting, whether you're in a skiff, it's all under oath still because they're signing, having you sign NDAs and things like that. So, you're expected to be truthful with this.
Seeing the real deal, it is a very big deal. It was nerve-wracking at first because I'm not used to talking to government officials in that nature. Having the support that they've been giving me, as well as protection, is just something that I'm very thankful for. I'm very thankful that they all have open minds on this subject.
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Even though there, you know, for years there's been a stigma to it, for years there's been a giggle effect because of little green men and flying saucers and all that, I myself never thought to this day to ever see anything like this.
So, going back to the event, we decided to get in a tactical column and approach this right. We got down the slope, and it's just like a clearing. It just has this big opening; it's almost a little bit more than a football field because this craft took up the majority of that.
So, let's just back up for a minute. Let's describe the setting because at first, you said there were helos going, doing RAC tracks around. Is this the same opening that you described earlier that you were watching helos drop supplies?
No, no. So, where this was happening was southwest, at least where the helo insertion points were, with the LZs that they were setting up, and they were flying very low in consideration, right?
So, the reason why I know this is because I asked pilots after this because I was on the officer's mess, and I knew their call signs, and I approached them and asked them very respectfully if they noticed anything strange. None of them said anything.
Okay, so I was trying to see if they could get a view of a topside because this is just something that's crazy, right?
Yeah, so, also their call signs all stuck out too, you know, because pilots like to do crazy stuff with their call signs, so it was very easy to track them down.
But having this happen on the north part of the slope, and it goes down, and obviously, you know the way it was transitioning colors, which was kind of the way that it appealed because it was transitioning from a light matte gray to a dark matte black and just kind of ranging in between, right?
Let's rewind a little bit before we get into the description.
Okay, how far, so what was the activity with all the other helicopters? Were they active at the time that you saw the...
Honestly, when we started going down there, no. And I don't know because obviously, we were occupied with this.
How far do you think it was?
So, from us, from the LZ where we were at, it was 300 meters roughly.
Okay.
Plus the slope that was concealing, plus vegetation down the slope, it was like 300 to 400 meters maybe.
So, we got close; we trekked down quite a bit.
Okay, about 150 meters outside?
150 to 200, right halfway.
And so, maybe about a click away, possibly?
Yeah, the craft itself might have been a click out.
Okay, yeah. And as I said, the reason why I know how big this thing was is because we flew on CH-53 Super Stallions. I'm sure you're familiar with those from your time as a SEAL. They're roughly 100 feet.
So, from nose to tail, if you lined up three of them, you could fit three of them under this craft because I can see, you know, especially the operation behind us, you kind of see them off in the distance. So, you try to gauge, you know, as a Marine, you're always trying to judge distance, you know what I mean, because if you're having to engage.
But, well, behold, we end up having this surprise right here happen with these guys. But that's how I know it's around 300 feet.
Oh God, that's a...
And it was circular.
Circular?
It's like an octagon because it had corners on it that were like an octagon shape, but still circular.
Could you see, was it one smooth piece of metal?
No, it was panels.
Panels?
Yep.
How were they?
How just describe more. Were there windows?
There were not windows, nothing I could see like that. They just had that Vanta black vent-looking things on each corner is all I saw with that, and it had like an octagonal scale pattern that went through it.
It honestly reminded me kind of like a design for an F-22 Raptor, you know? Like the top of it kind of looks like that. That's what it kind of reminded me of because it would transition those colors.
So, I've had people I've talked to about this say, "Well, you know, Lockheed Martin has reverse-engineered stuff that's circular." They have triangular craft, and he said it might have been Lockheed because Lockheed also made the F-22.
Interesting.
Similar design concept. Now that I think about it, right? Because at this time, you're not really thinking about it. You're like, "I got to..." I'm more concerned with these guys and who the hell they are.
So, after we witnessed the last truck going on there, and we're still dealing with that, I got searched already, of course, and I'm just paying attention to what's going on. I'm making sure my guys are good too.
And all of a sudden, the trucks, we never saw them again. They were not on that platform. There were like boxes and stuff that were on that platform.
And I'm assuming they either drove off on the other side or disappeared, or where they went, I don't know. But all of a sudden, we noticed that this platform raises off the ground by itself and doesn't make any noise, by the way. It doesn't disturb anything.
Just before it started gaining elevation?
Yeah.
How high off the ground was this?
The actual craft?
Yes.
I would say probably 20 feet.
Okay, yeah, good distance.
And the platform rose up, but I would say like the platform was up several feet, right? Probably maybe five or six feet.
CU, it was look, you know, from the distance, probably about half an inch. I mean, I'm just envisioning, I'm envisioning an octagon, yep, rotating clockwise with a drop ramp, similar to maybe something you would see on the back of a C-130, C-117, but circular.
But circular and separate. There are no cables; there's no...
Okay, yeah.
Was the ramp attached to the craft?
So, there was just an opening. There was just an opening. Like the bottom part of the craft was what I'm assuming because that's where I saw it lift up and go into, was like the bottom part.
Like the floor itself was like the platform, and they were just rolled up, right? But at the same time, the top part leveled a little bit and went down to meet with this.
And as that happened, you start to see it rise up past the tree line. It's not like a super fast and just rapid; it's just like kind of slow.
As that's going on, the rotation has not changed; the audible hum has not changed. But it's not like somebody hit the gas, and you hear a different...
Yeah, it's nothing like that. It's just constant.
Okay, each point on that octagonal shape started to illuminate colors, like it was just one color per point. It was red, it was green, it was yellow, and it was blue. Those are the only colors I saw, and it was rotating.
Right as soon as I got to the top of the tree line, like cleared the trees, this thing shot off to the left.
And to the left was the ocean, by the way. It was just going west.
How far to the left was the ocean?
Probably a good mile and a half, maybe.
That's it?
Yeah, you're right on the coastline.
Okay, probably, I would say maybe a mile and a half to three miles, I'd estimate. Because it took us a little bit when we landed near Padang City because we landed at the airstrip, and then we took like a several-minute flight going from southwest to like northeast part roughly.
So, I'd say probably a couple miles to kind of estimate. And like I said, it didn't change pitches of noise or anything, and it just completely shot off. I mean, it just like a blur that went left.
It didn't make a sonic boom like you'd see a fighter jet when you see the pressure that, you know, the way that happens. It didn't disturb any of the trees like rotor wash would do on a helo or a jet flying.
The map of the Earth and leaving exhaust and blowing the, you know, you kind of see Top Gun movies when it cranks up. Nothing. There were even coconuts that you could visibly see on these trees; none of them were disturbed.
Oh [ __ ]!
Yeah, and me, I like aircraft, you know? That was my thing. You know, I wanted to be a pilot, but that didn't happen. I wanted to fly the Harrier, and I know about aircraft. I know everything we've got. I know everything about them, you know, from a little kid. That's all I wanted to do, you know?
But obviously, then being infantry was the next best thing. So, it wasn't something I've never seen before, something I know that we didn't have, at least in the conventional wise, on top of the military force that was there.
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Buddy, I think it gives weight to a lot of the people that have come forward and talked about having direct firsthand experience. To me, it just felt like somebody looking you dead in the eye and said, "I can touch you anytime I want."
Well, when was the assassination attempt?
So, we go inside, meet another escort in there, and take us to this freight elevator. One of the guys looks at my dad and says to both of us, "You keep your head down, your eyes on the heels of the man in front of you, or you'll be shot."
What could somebody threaten you with to make you turn your back on your own child?
So, as that took off, we're all of a sudden ordered to face that slope that we came down. And like I said, it's not very high up. I mean, it's high enough to obscure everything to kind of go down into the valley.
As we turn around, I'm like, "Oh [ __ ], they're going to do it." I think they were just going to, you know, [ __ ] rip us right there.
Yeah, and you were...
They're going to kill you?
Yeah.
Does that... I mean, it's like when you... Before we get to that, yeah, when you saw this thing take off, I mean, do you have any estimation of speed? Have you seen anything? I mean, was it faster than anything you've seen before? Was it a normal speed?
How...
No, it was faster. It was the fastest thing I've ever seen. I would say probably 4,000 to 5,000 miles an hour. I mean, it was instantaneous. It was just like a left-to-blur.
Okay, you know, like a jet screaming by, going as fast as it possibly could. You can still make the shape of it and still lock your eyes onto it as it's going. There's no way in hell you could lock your eyes onto this thing as it's moving. That's how fast it was.
Okay, and eyesight, you know, something moving, your eyes are naturally going to pick up that motion, and this didn't do that. I mean, it was just like just left a very fast blur.
And like I said, I've never seen anything like that. The way they didn't move, the way they didn't make any sound, completely, you know, didn't change pitch of the hum or anything like that.
Did it go at an upward angle? Was it a straight line?
It just looked like a straight line from what I couldn't see, you know what I mean? It just... It wasn't like it went up in the sky or anything; it just went over the trees and was gone.
Okay, so, yeah, I mean, you know, knowing aircraft and things like that, it's just wasn't something normal, something completely faster, something that doesn't make any sound.
I mean, radar... I have no idea, you know, but there's theories that maybe the design of it could not reflect radar signals. I mean, I don't know how that goes. I'm not, you know, I don't work in that project or anything like that, but it's just something that's very odd to see, very, very alarming.
Did the lights stay on as it took off?
Yep, but you couldn't even see the blurs of lights, even. It was just this black blur that just left.
Damn!
Yeah, I mean, it was creepy. It was [ __ ] creepy to see. And you know, of course, we're like dumbfounded because you've never seen anything like this, and this is like some Hollywood [ __ ]. You know, make the ships from Independence Day look like a joke, you know, how fast this thing was.
So, it was very, very, very weird to see that. And like I said, as we were ordered to turn towards the slope that we came down, that's why I thought it was it. I thought they were going to smoke us, you know?
And they kept saying that, you know, "We can kill you right now." You know, they're, as this is going on, they're talking [ __ ]. They're looking at us; they're taking pictures; they're doing, you know, everything that they're trying to do to clear us.
So, as we turn this, and all of a sudden, I see a sling pass over my head. I'm like, "Oh [ __ ], they're going to strangle me." But it wasn't the case. They actually tightened it so well that when they placed it, you know, it's cross-body, and obviously, the buttstock of the rifle is up on the right shoulder, and the muzzle kind of more towards your left.
They tightened the sling so well that if you try to get it off, it's going to struggle, right? And they started putting the magazines in. They put all six of them in our vest, but they put it in a way that wasn't tactical. They put them like right side up where you can see the brass, right?
Because brass to the grass is usually what we always train our Marines to do, so you just take it out, pop it in, boom, right? And they did it in the case of being tactical; it wouldn't be a tactical advantage to do that.
So, by the time you get your weapon off, try to put a magazine in and charge it, you're already going to get smoked.
Yeah, so were you standing up when they did this?
Yes.
And when I saw that sling come over, I mean, it was like, "Oh [ __ ], I thought they were going to strangle me."
Were they talking to you as they were doing this?
Yes, that's when they were saying they were going to smoke us, they were going to kill us, they could shoot us, you know, leave us here to die, stuff like that.
Why do you think they were doing... I mean, it sounds like they were taunting almost.
They were, and I think, you know, my personal opinion is I think they wanted... I think they really wanted to kill us. But if they made any... I mean, because they didn't have suppressors, you know? They had M4A4s; they had like the high-speed setup. They had actual AOGs; they had the honeycombs on them; they had the PEC-16s, which is a step up from what we had. They had steel magazines; their weapons were like they were brand new.
Did they have nods?
No, they had ball caps, though. Ball caps, yep. They had no insignias, nothing that would signify what their rank was, nothing that would signify what branch.
If they were... There's nothing to identify, and you know law enforcement agencies typically try to be uniform with all black, so you can't really identify who they are specifically.
And it's like how these guys were doing the same thing because I know in AOs, at least where you have friendlies, you want to identify who's what because that's how you're going to coordinate between everybody.
If you know who's friendly, who's not, so if you're having to do anything like airstrikes, close air support, CAS, you know what to say and what they look like. Paint the picture for what you're getting into to provide other people that intel.
And these guys were just uniform black ball caps, and it's just, you know, it's very obvious that these guys didn't want to be identified. But they had American dialects; they had American lingo similar to what Marines would use, or at least military.
So, that's why my suspicion is I think that these guys at one point were uniform military, and maybe they got swept into this program, whatever it is.
Could you see their faces?
I did. Three of the guys had facial hair, right? Kind of stubble; some of them kind of not really long beards, but like an operator look, you know what I mean? The rest of the guys didn't. Some of them had kind of blond hair, at least that you can see from right here. Some of them had like black hair, and then just regular white complexion.
Some of them had blue eyes, some of them brown eyes, and I think one guy that I saw had... He was the one that was mainly focused in on us as we were getting searched, and you can see he had kind of like grayish-blue eyes.
So, I don't, you know, I don't know what military force. I mean, obviously, it's not conventional, yeah, because you know the question if they ever come out and they decide to... If they decide to ever do this and say, "Yeah, was there... Were these guys?"
I would have a question. The question would be, "Why did you let us go?" Or "What were you guys thinking?" Or "Why were you guys doing this for the matter?" Because this isn't something that, you know, me consciously, there's a lot of things, especially finding out that this happens to do with human trafficking. Morally, I could never do that.
Yeah, that's a touchy subject for me.
They might not know.
Yeah, and that's just it too. I mean, they could have... I mean, maybe the guys in the trucks were more of the darker side of things that were doing the hands-on, and these guys with security... I mean, there's so many theories with this.
You know, I've seen some flak on Reddit about this, and you got all these armchair quarterbacks like, "Oh, I wouldn't have surrendered my weapon."
Oh, yeah? So, you get pulled over by a cop, and he's got his gun drawn in because, you know, there's some people that that's their interaction with police because they're known to be violent people. The cop is not going to take any chances; they're going to pull out their sidearm and approach the vehicle like this, tell you to get the [ __ ] out.
Are you going to chance anything? This guy shooting you if he's holding you at gunpoint?
No, no. You got kids; you got a wife; you know, you got a bunch of stuff to live for. I know these Marines have the same thing, but there are always these people who are going to talk this [ __ ] who are not there.
Because I know for a fact that I'm here. I'm here today talking to you about this. I was here, you know, talking to the Pentagon and talking to all these other people about this to testify to them and tell them what happened.
And I'm glad that, you know, I'd rather get the flak than have to sit there and actually whatever story they would have spun up to say that, you know, maybe one Marine got PTSD or something, decided to kill his own squad and then kill himself.
I mean, whatever they would have spun it to be. If these guys have this kind of technology and these resources, they can do anything.
Yeah, they're above the law, clearly.
So, as they gave us our stuff back and we're going up this slope, they're still talking [ __ ]. They're still saying, you know, "We could kill you. Don't [ __ ] look back or we're going to smoke you."
So, as soon as we went over the top, and all of a sudden, we didn't, you know, they weren't pursuing us, and we [ __ ] high-tailed it. We ran down this [ __ ] slope, trying not to trip over [ __ ].
Go to the LZ, and there were still helicopters flying, you know? They were flying relatively low with the shipments that they had that were attached, and then they were landing, dropping the stuff off, and then they were taking off, right?
And they were just coming, going back and forth. There was a gunny sergeant there that was not in my unit. I think he was attached to the ship. He might have been kind of like their logistical support unit or whatever it is for... Because I know each ship has a logistical support for Marines, right, that are on the ship, either at the security or whatever it is.
There was a gunny sergeant there, and he was like [ __ ] pissed because we showed back up, and we weren't supposed to. And then we had our weapons, you know?
So, what were we conditioned for? You know, we tried to play dumb. So, obviously, we kind of like set up a perimeter, and then we adjusted ourselves. Some of my guys, you know, they'd help us get our stuff on, slung, and then we'd load it back up and, you know, act like everything was normal.
But I can tell everybody's faces were like, "What the [ __ ]?" Very, very concerning stuff.
And here's the thing, though. If stuff is still going on to this day, which I'm sure it is, because if they're... You come to find out, and I know you probably know this, human trafficking is the biggest revenue generator for these guys for these organizations—second drugs, third weapons.
So, if they're hitting all three, and obviously they're not going to want to give up their operations, be known for that because it's illegal, it's not going to sit very well in the public eye. A lot of people have children. I don't have... I personally don't have kids, but I know you as a dad would not [ __ ] stand for that kind of [ __ ] because...
And you have the thought in your head that it's going to be my kids are going to end up like this, that potentially could. It's not a very comfortable thing for people to realize, and having a known to see this happen, it sucks.
And this is kind of more why I'm pressing towards getting the resolution done with this to make the government aware of it because if that's going on, it's got to be stopped. That's some evil; that's some evil nature right there, and I can't believe that there are actually people participating in this.
And if they know about it, [ __ ] shame on them.
Yeah, you know, it's very interesting. There are two subjects that I really wanted to dive into this year. I'm fascinated with the UFO/UAP genre, right? And I want to expose as much as possible the stuff about human trafficking and everything that goes into it.
We've already started that, and to see these two arenas start to intertwine is, I mean, it's very alarming. It tells you how much money is being spent, and it tells you that there are companies here that the government doesn't know about that are participating in this.
Yeah, and it's not even, you know, something that happens in the United States. It may, you know, it definitely does, but to see it, the operation, because think about it, it's perfect cover.
Because let's say if you're hiking somewhere out here, and you see that unfold, and you try to call the police, you try to call, you know, federal, state, local agencies, or even the military for that matter, try to report this. Are they going to take you serious?
No, they wouldn't. And it's becoming more and more common as time goes on.
But yeah, it's, you know, what sucks about this is we're in this time period where everybody knows—not, I guess not everybody, but it seems everybody that I know knows that the media is false, it's fake. They don't report everything; they lie.
No, they don't, you know? And, and, but at the same time, a lot of people won't put any validation or trust in anything that hasn't been covered by mainstream media.
So, we're in like this time period where there's a transition happening.
There is, and it's thanks to people like you, and I'm glad that there are people with me doing this too. That, you know, it's easy for people to sit there and try to judge what they would have done in the situations.
And the bottom line is we have gotten to a point in our life, and I don't mean us specifically, but I mean the rest of the world, where they give so much [ __ ] about things, but they don't do anything about it. They want other people to do it.
"Oh, I'm unhappy with the situation." Well, [ __ ] change it or help change it. That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to get the word out there. We're trying to get the government, at least the right parts of the government, to do something about this.
And, you know, among other things that you see with corruption, you know, for example, you talk about the media. Like, I was a security, at least for my private security firm, for the America's Frontline Doctors in Washington, D.C. They came to talk to President Trump about COVID not being as serious as what the media is trying to say it is.
They said that vaccinations are not something required to beat this. They were talking about natural immunity; they were talking about all the things that we already knew. Well, people were getting silenced for it, and I'm seeing these doctors, especially Dr. Simone Gold, you know, so they tried to wrap her up because she was part of the January 6th thing, but she's actually a really nice lady.
But she's explaining to us how everything worked because they took us out to dinner, you know, trying to thank us, and it was very cool to network with these people. And then all of a sudden, you go after the event, and you start seeing the news articles pop up about these people, and it's completely defamation.
It's completely stuff that's not even related, you know? And it's one of those things that it sucks to see because their lives were ultimately ruined for speaking out about the truth.
But here's the thing: there comes great risk to stuff. You know, my life doesn't get lavish because of what I'm doing today and what I've been doing. It becomes hell. I've had numerous encounters with [ __ ] helicopters hovering over my house.
They were hovering over my dad's house. They get so low where they rattle the walls, scare the [ __ ] out of the animals that we've got. You know, his dogs were going [ __ ] crazy at that point, and he was concerned because he was home, and he was like, "I've never heard anything like that."
So, you know, I've taken videos of this too, but seeing Blackhawks, seeing regular black helicopters that don't even have insignia on them, nothing, and they're just sitting there.
But the thing about it that is at least noticeable about this, and it's just kind of a... There's a hysterical factor to this: how much money they're [ __ ] spending on this to happen to try to either intimidate me or anybody else for that matter.
There are some elected officials and even some government officials I know; they're having the same thing happen to them because they've told me about it personally through our encrypted source of what we talk about.
So, they instructed me that anytime that something like this happens, that I could record it, take pictures, because they'll see the timestamps of everything taken and let them know the time, and they'll investigate it because they can have access to the FAA systems and among other systems that I can actually relay where these people are going.
They can listen into their comms, you know, because I have to guide through the FAA air traffic, you know, where they're going. I live by the airport in Denver, and the airspace there is restricted because they have airplanes that are flying, you know, in every direction to try to, you know, passenger airliners or whatnot.
So, it's not a normal flight path for helicopters; that's what stuck out to me. They were doing it in my place of business where they'd fly over, they'd stop, and then, you know, they would bank off my dad's house. They'd get low, you know, enough.
It's just, you know, it doesn't become glamorous by speaking about this, and you have people maybe that you've met through when you testified in front of the Intelligence Committee that are helping you, that are telling you, "Hey, record this [ __ ], stamp it, let us know any information you can possibly get, report," because they said they'll look into it.
Because they know, and several of them are having to deal with this personally, is this happening to any of the other whistleblowers that you know?
I know it happens to Dr. Greer all the time.
Okay.
Other whistleblowers, I'm not sure.
Okay.
It's not something that, you know, maybe they do notice because you're hypervigilant with what's going on because, I mean, with what we're doing, it's putting us in a spotlight, but it's also putting the [ __ ] crosshairs onto us.
And the only thing I'm thankful for is coming public with this information, at least if something does happen, and I'm not going to rule that out, but if anything does happen, it kind of proves what we're talking about to be true.
And the reason is because they would not be going through these measures to try to intimidate for no reason.
Yeah, we're keeping people up at night because of what we're talking about, and that needs to happen.
Yeah, so, you know, and I even told these government officials in my meetings, I'm like, "First and foremost, you guys need to understand something: I am in a right state of mind to do this. I don't feel like harming myself. I don't feel like, you know, because everybody makes the joke, 'Epstein didn't kill himself.' No way in shape or form related to that."
Right.
And so, same goes here. Like, I don't... I have no means to harm myself. So, if anything happens, it's not from me.
Well, thanks for saying that.
Well, yeah, I mean, that needs to be on record, and people need to understand that because if something does happen, it's not because I, you know, I turned a gun on myself or anything like this.
Specifically, I'm going to talk about something, El Toro, Marine Corps Air Station El Toro. I'm sure you're familiar with that; it was out in California.
There was a colonel there that didn't even know that this was going on on his base, but they were flying flights in that had drugs on them, and they were unloading it on his base. He found out about it, so he went to question them. Two days later, they find him dead.
Really?
Yep.
Is this on record anywhere?
Yes, it is. You can Google this information. Put Marine Corps Colonel, Marine Corps Colonel suicide El Toro.
Okay, okay.
You can pull this out; anybody of these viewers can do that too. The family thought it was very alarming because the circumstances.
So, they did a second pinging for an autopsy, and they said that there was extreme blunt force trauma to his head, which killed him, but then they had gunshot wounds.
So, there was a shotgun that was supposed to stage to look like a suicide.
And, um, so I'm glad that the family actually got the second opinion to say, "No, it was blunt force trauma to the back of the head that killed him," and they tried to make it look like a suicide.
And this is a colonel.
And the thing that sucks about this is the Marine Corps itself actually tried to use this as a tool to say, "You know what? Suicide awareness is such a big thing, and it happens with every rank."
And they were using this guy for this purpose, but all of a sudden, you start delving into this information and seeing that, you know, the reports that he was making about these illegal flights coming in, and they were unloading drugs.
I mean, it clearly... These guys, it doesn't matter what rank you are; it doesn't matter what position in government you have; it doesn't matter what you do for a living. If you're going against what they're exposing, what they're doing, they're going to get you.
So, if something does happen, I'm just putting it out there that it's not for my own doing. I don't [ __ ] piss anybody off, you know? Maybe in the business world to a degree, but it's not enough for them to sit there and do something like that.
And I'm glad that I have a private security firm where I've got some guys who look out for my best interest. They know what I'm doing, so they've got my back, realistically speaking.
And you know, and that's the thing too, is any other whistleblowers who, you know, because I urge other people to come out if they're needing protection out the way. I'll help with that; I'll orchestrate.
But two, the other thing is too, coming out in the fashion that we did was the best because now the right people in the government know.
So, it's almost like having a pit bull that's want to rip you to [ __ ] shreds, but you have this fence that's between you and this pit bull.
I feel like the government's going to be that fence, and along with the spotlight that this put me in.
Yeah, because it's unsettling to sit there and see these helicopters, man. It's just... It's hysterical. You sit there and wave them, but it's like, "Keep wasting your [ __ ] money."
Let's talk about the debrief that happened afterward.
Yes, what happened when you got back to your command?
So, when we got back on the ship, we ended up returning our weapons to the armory, went to our birthing, put our gear away, went back to the flight deck. There was this admiral there; I've never seen him before. I don't know who he is, but it's just very out of place.
He gave a debrief saying, "Hey, this was good that you guys were doing for these people," which I agree with, but I have no idea who he was. But, you know, I've been on six ships, did several humanitarian operations, and not once have I ever seen an admiral on any of them.
You know, and this was minor compared to the one in 2011 we did with Fukushima and that natural disaster. Never seen an admiral with that.
So, it's just very out of place. So, we went to... After we concluded this operation, we ended up docking in Subic Bay for some liberty.
It was like four days. So, the people that we encountered during that event didn't even bother to take my camera or anything that was in my dump pouch, but it was small enough, so I don't know why they wouldn't have searched it, but they missed it, right?
So, here I am the whole time thinking like, "Oh, [ __ ], I've got something. I'm not [ __ ] crazy; neither of us are crazy. Like, we've got something that actually backs up if we were to tell anybody about this, and we show them pictures of it off of a camera and not something like a computer screen where they can doctor it."
Well, I spoke too soon because when we ended up going out that first day, we came back to report back to the ship, and I saw my camera on my rack, and the memory card was out of it.
It was a big memory card, and the battery was out of it, and I just see the camera sitting there. I'm like, "What the [ __ ]?" So, I checked my locker; it was secure because that's where I had it.
And I had some stuff on top of the camera in there, you know, in my locker that were on top of the camera, and I had another battery in there. So, I took that battery and I put it in there, and it wouldn't even turn the [ __ ] on.
And I had some people reach out to me that said, "You know, if you had that camera still to this day, that they could do some data retrieval and may be able to pick that up." I'm like, "But I don't have that camera."
You know, it would... I tossed it because the fact it wouldn't even turn on; it wouldn't do anything. I'm like, "[ __ ], it's just a paperweight."
And then, and of course, 2009, you're not thinking of anything with forensics, you know, where they could do something. There were people actually willing to do that, which is great.
So, somewhere out there, somebody's got this footage; somebody's got that tape because there's some reason why they took it.
And fun fact is that the other five Marines that were with me, they had their phones taken.
Did you look at the pictures before? Did you have a chance?
I took pictures and videos of it because I saw the record thing, and I actually can snap the photos, and you can see like a blink. That's the only way to describe it.
So, I knew for a fact...
But you didn't go back and review them?
Okay, no, no.
Why not?
One, I didn't see... I didn't want anybody to see.
Okay, just for that reason, you know? It was just something to keep.
You know, if anybody doesn't know about it, then if I start telling people, then obviously there are things that may happen. And of course, it did happen. Regardless, as soon as we're out in town, all these people, you know, I don't know who it was who did this, by the way, but they didn't even cut my lock; they popped it off somehow because, you know, my lock was still intact.
So these guys obviously know how to do it, and I don't know who it was, but all of a sudden, the other Marines had their stuff taken too. And anybody in the platoon, they didn't have any of their stuff touched. It was only us that were there. Did they take anything else? No, nope.
So after we get done with that, we end up going back to Okinawa, right? And I'm, you know, this is a regular normal day. It's probably fast forward a month after we end up getting back. Elis, a duty Marine, knocks on my door and says, "You need to report up to the CP." Like, "Roger that."
So I get my cover, run downstairs, run over, and there's nobody there. I'm like, "What? This is weird." And all of a sudden, I go inside, and there's like this big opening, this office, and then they have like these little offices that have these doors you can walk into.
So all of a sudden, I'm greeted by somebody in Air Force dress blues. He didn't have a cover on, but he had salt and pepper hair, white complexion, older gentleman. He didn't have a name tag on his uniform, which, come to find out, Air Force regulation states that you have to have a name tag on your uniforms. You know, Marine Corps, we don't do that unless it's our camouflage or if you're a drill instructor or some kind of instructor, some sort of billet that requires you to do that.
So he calls me over, and I go over, give him the proper greeting of the day, and then he tells me, "Go ahead and sit down over here in this office." So I sat down, and he just doesn't even bother to sit down. He just says, "You."
Wasn't the other five Marines? No, they ended up having the same thing happen, but this guy did it separately. It's all individual. Yes, okay, it wasn't all together.
So he told us again, "With what you guys saw, you're not allowed to report this. You're not allowed to talk about it to your family, not to your chain of command. I don't care if a general even asks you. You can go to prison for this. You can be executed. And if you want to chance that, by all means, but you need to sign this."
So I take the paper, and I look at it, and it's a non-disclosure agreement. The only two things I can recall to this day are that it said TSSCI and it said Indonesia. Those are the only things I could recall, but I skimmed through it, and I signed because here I am thinking, "Okay, we're just going to forget about this whole ordeal," and yet this is getting thrown in our face.
And here, somebody's threatening our lives here with, you know, imprisonment, death, things like that if we were to talk about this. Did you ask him any questions? I tried to ask him who he was, and he didn't say anything.
There's some speculation going on about this because people who know about this, whether it's other whistleblowers or other people who have come forward previously, have said that these guys have the ability to impersonate or even play off as military officials or anybody for that matter in the government to try to extract information to see what you know.
So, you know, it's odd that he didn't have a name tag. The only thing I can tell is that he had a stack of ribbons. You know, the Air Force gives ribbons for just about anything, but he had silver jump wings; that's the only thing I can recall.
So other people I've talked to in the military community, who are still active, just trying to get information, now they know because I've come out. They were saying that if it was an Air Force officer, it had to do with someone in Air Force intelligence because a lot of them had jump wings, and that's the kind of thing that they like to do.
He says because he didn't have any pilot wings or anything that would signify he was a pilot; he just had those silver jump wings, yeah, just with the parachute and had the wreath that comes up like this. That's the only thing. And obviously, he had the silver oak leaves on his shoulders.
So after dealing with that, it's like, okay, I signed it. I'm like, great, you know, just leave it behind for the rest of my career. Don't tell anybody about it. You know, I didn't tell my family. I told my dad before I ended up going, getting out of active duty, doing reserves.
I said, "You know, there's something I got to tell you." And he even told me this, you know, when I started coming out publicly about it and after I had gotten through the right part of the government to go ahead and proceed with this.
Now he understands what I was trying to tell him because I said I just have to wait for the right time to do this because I don't know. I'm kind of freaked out, you know, something.
At that point, in 2017, that's when I met Dr. Greer. Then fast forward to recently in April, making this happen with the government and telling them and testifying and briefing them on what's going on.
You know, the flack that I'm seeing with this is, you know, there was a guy, apparently it was a Marine that came out with Dr. Greer that was like more than 10 years ago. I think his name was Joshua or something like that, and he was a stinger operator. So he was like an anti-air gunner, if you want to call it that.
I know the MOSs, but apparently he was in South America, and he witnessed a crash retrieval. So he stated the same thing; this paramilitary organization kind of looked very similar. Obviously, this was in the 90s, so they didn't look that dissimilar to what I saw.
But he talked to a paramilitary organization. He talked about the noise that this craft made that he saw that was shot down. It had a hole in it, so it was a guitar amp because that's the only way to describe it. If it's reverse-engineered, it's going to mimic the same kind of technology that these actual crafts have, right?
This paramilitarization, well, yes, that's how they operate. They're not going to be identified in any kind of way. It's going to be a generic black uniform and gear. So of course, and you know, everybody's like, "Oh," at least the Reddit that I'm seeing, and they said, "Oh, the Air Force Lieutenant Colonel."
Okay, that's another thing, and maybe it probably wasn't the same guy, but the same method. There's only one word that comes to that; it's called corroboration. Yeah, and it's not the first time that this guy's saying it. It's not the first time that other people have said this.
But the thing is, people want to pay attention to them when stuff's thrown in their face, such as what I'm doing and what these other people are doing. There's going to be people who are going to come out after me who are going to talk about the same thing. I know I'm not the only one, and maybe I can get one of my Marines, you know, that were there to actually come forward.
And maybe, you know, ideally, it'd be all of them, but I know how this goes. One guy responded when I had these government officials and Dr. Greer trying to bring one of them forward, and he said, "Absolutely not." He sent a text message saying, "It's not worth the risk to my family, my life, my career," because he's still in the military.
He's a commissioned officer now, and he was very repetitive about that. He says, "Don't ever ask me to do this again, and you need to get the hell out of whatever you're in." But it's the response that when I asked him to do this, and that's what he responded to. What else could it be?
Yeah, so in a sense, that kind of corroborates it, but it corroborates the seriousness of how they're in fear of their life. The other guy, I didn't hear from anything, and even taking my social media down because after I started coming forward, I just don't want people blowing up my inboxes trying to ask me details or questions or try to get interviews.
You know, I'm not about that. I'm not, you know, the fact that our lives are kind of coming to hell to a degree because of being pursued with these helicopters and things like that. There are other ramifications that may happen that I'm not aware of, but you know what? There's a risk to things, and that's how this is going to happen.
And if that's what's chosen, then I just got to figure out how to mitigate that as well. Well, let's talk about, we had spoken offline a little earlier about all the media that's reached out. I know you had an article in the Daily Mail.
Daily Mail, and then obviously the other facets are related. Daily Mail published this. Well, they misconstrued a lot of that, and they ended up going in from David Grusch to bashing Dr. Greer about it. So it was something that they were trying to use to get people's attention, and they go into this narrative.
You know, I've had News Nation, I've had CNN, I've had MSNBC that reached out through LinkedIn, through other emails. You know, because my email gets blasted all over the place these days, and I've got four emails. So I get the crappy one I hand out to people because I don't want to get spammed through my business emails because that's money that's sitting on the table if need be.
And I decline every single one of them because I know that they're going to push this false narrative. The false narrative is that there are evil ETs, and this is what David Grusch is pushing now, saying that, you know, they're malevolent and they've seen people, ETs die, or he's heard ETs kill people and things like that.
Well, first and foremost, if there is a species of extraterrestrial that's out there and they happen to be malevolent, it's not wise to shoot their craft down or kill any of them because guess what? They're highly advanced. If they can make this kind of stuff, imagine what they can do if they weaponize it.
You know, so it's something that, you know, this needs to stop because all it's doing is just portraying fear out to people. Yeah, they did this with COVID. You see the response of that. People are still living this way, living like COVID exists to this day, which it probably does, but it's not nearly as damaging as what people are saying.
It wasn't as bad as it was hyped up to be. No, it wasn't, and you still have people afraid for their lives. And this is the thing that is sad to see. So this whole, another people are thinking about this going on now that all of a sudden the worst case is going to happen.
It's just this whole fear being portrayed in the media to try to scare the hell out of people, either to get ratings or try to get people tuned into their networks. It's just ridiculous. Yeah, it's more, you know, it's more of a personal game for them because they get money off of views.
So now that you've set the record straight, do you think you'll go on any of these media outlets? No, no, I'm not looking to get famous from this, dude. I just want to get this information out. The thing, you know, I've had people try to approach me with book deals and stuff like that. Like, "Get the hell out of here."
This has nothing to do with trying to get money. This is trying to make sure this is, I'm not trying to convince the public here, and I'm getting that on record too. This isn't trying to convince the public that this is real. I'm trying to convince the government, and thankfully, they are convinced enough to actually do something about it.
That's my main objective with this because when they come out and they start talking about the bills that they're talking about, legislations, because people like me standing up along with other whistleblowers coming out and talking about the same kind of collaboration, that there's man-made stuff going on, that there's nefarious activities going on behind the scenes that nobody knows about, and they're making money illegally, and they're murdering or killing people doing it.
I'm glad you're doing it. I'm glad too, man. It scares the hell out of me. I wake up every day unsure like, "What the hell is going to happen?" But that's why you have to take it day by day. And at the end of the day, there are people looking out for me, which is great, in the government and spiritually as well.
Good, you know, and that's where I'm going to thrive with this because guess what? If they can silence me, but they can't silence the truth, and they've been trying to silence the truth for far too long, and it needs to stop.
And there's any whistleblowers too. This is the thing I'm going to urge anybody who has any information with this, whether they witness similar things with this, whether you know you're in the opposite spectrum. If you're anybody who's working in these programs, I know there are people who are listening to your show about this, by the way, who are probably on that side of the coin.
Man up and come the hell out. Yeah, you got to stop the crap. And anybody who knows about this, well, guess what? If you know the truth and you're not revealing it, then you're complicit to it too. So I'm urging, get a hold of me. I mean, I'll throw my email if you can put that link in.
And most of all, get a hold of Dr. Greer. I'll put that link in there, okay? But yeah, Dr. Greer, I mean, he's been a good resource, and people need to understand, just like you understand with this, he is basically a sounding board for all of us who have come forward.
And all he's doing is relaying information that he knows from people. He's got a strict vetting process with this. I know people going to attest it as whistleblowers. The fact is, he's not just going to take anybody's word because, yeah, somebody said something.
Right? I talked to him. I just interviewed him, as you know, and I asked him how he decides for who the bullshitters are from the real ones, and we went into that because I think that's extremely important. Yes, it is.
And it's not, he's just not taking anybody's word for it. Yeah, I mean, he asked me repeatedly, you know, in law enforcement, especially, you know, the tactics they use as they ask the similar questions. And especially the meeting I had with the Pentagon and all these other agencies, it's like they ask the same thing because they do interrogations on a daily basis.
But the fact is, my story is not going to change. The way that I'm doing details is not going to change. My simple task with this is just to tell people what happened. Good, that's it. I'm not trying to gain profit. I don't want to be famous.
The only thing I, if I'm going to be famous for this, the only thing I want to be famous for is, "Oh, that's the guy that stood up and wasn't afraid to do it, and he got the truth out there." Good for you. If I can live with that, perfect for me.
Well, Michael, I know it takes a lot of courage to do what you're doing, man, and I just commend you for it. It's an honor to have you in here. Well, Sean, thank you, man. And what you're doing on your networks, your podcasts, your YouTube, I mean, you have a big, big audience.
And I hope, you know, I get people trying to poke holes. Go for it. I don't give a damn what they think. They weren't there with me. They weren't there with my Marines. They want to talk crap, go for it.
I got one last question. Yeah, if you could say anything to the other five Marines that were on the ground with you that day, because they might be watching, what would you say to them? Don't leave me hanging, guys. Don't leave me hanging.
You know, we're family. We're brothers. We went through this. You know, and I get that you got family. I get that you got kids. I get, you know, moving on. But, man, I mean, you see what I'm trying to do with this, and I'm just trying to get the truth.
You know, I hope that they do, and if I can get them to come out and at least understand that, you know, yeah, there may be some aspects that are uncomfortable, you know, with what I'm having to deal with, but it's just the reality of things. It's not pretty, but if you got the guts to do it, you know, I don't have kids.
You know me, I still got a lot to lose at the end of the day, and I know they do too. But the fact is, I'm just sick and tired of people bitching about things and not doing anything about it. Me too, and it's all a bunch of talk in this world. It's all a bunch of talk.
It's all I see on social media. That's why I'm glad I'm off of that. You know what I mean? That's why I'm glad I'm off because guess what? I don't get to see that anymore. I get to focus on what I'm trying to do.
And for me, having people reach out to me that have open minds, and they're like, "You know what? I actually heard about something like this happening in Vietnam," or they're like, "I heard about this happening in 2004."
And then there are people who are coming out that are participating in these operations unknowingly because they think the constitutionality of it's legal, and it's not. And that's why this is happening because these people think at the end of the day they're doing something that's overseen, and they don't know that degree.
It's very compartmentalized, you know, being in the CIA. They only know what they're told and what they're briefed on and what they're allowed to have access to depends on what they're doing. That's how they keep it secret. Yes, they do, and not everybody's going to know that, you know?
So I hope that anybody who's in those industries understands that, you know, if there's anything that seems off, you know, don't approach it how the guy that was at the Pentagon that talked about U.S. forces being involved in Ukraine.
I'm sure you heard about that because you saw the FBI HRT raid his house and took him into custody, and he's probably going to sit in prison for the rest of his life because of revealing classified information on these platforms.
Yeah, I'm not doing that, and these guys that are with me that are doing this, they're not doing it either. And the thing is, because he did that, that means it's illegal because it's classified material to a degree. It may be illegal, but he screwed that up.
Now, the way that we approached it was because we contacted the government and said, "Hey, this is what I know. This is what I was subject to." And they were, of course, because I approached the right way, they're going to reward you with the protection with the law that they passed to make sure that you are well protected regardless of what happens in their legal fashion.
So these other whistleblowers need to understand that so they can come forward. They're going to have the same protections. That's why I can paint them a picture and tell them what to expect. I can point them in the direction of who they need to talk to, you know?
And just the humanity needs to understand that this false narrative that's going to be portrayed in the media, such as alien invasions and stuff like that, it's been planned since the '50s. There's documentation talking about this as far as SAIC or Science Applications International Corporation talks about the stagecraft.
You know, honestly, if you're somebody who's such a high-developed species or something like that, it's like walking by ants. Yeah, are you going to mess with them? No, you just, like, there's ants. They just walk by. I think like the same thing that they do with us.
Yeah, why are they going to mess with us? But the same thing, we all of a sudden start shooting them down and then reverse-engineering stuff and then trying to weaponize it, and then we're using it against each other for nefarious activities.
Trying to use advanced projects to do very illegal, very dangerous stuff, it just blows my mind how much this goes down. Yeah, you know, I'm just, my goal is just to hopefully get this changed.
Well, I hope it does. Me too, buddy. We'll be praying for you. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you.
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