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Living more sustainably does not have to be painful or not fun. There's so much joy I think that we get out of living alternatively, if you will. Like, it shouldn't even be alternative, but it is. It's not about perfection; it's about progress. So do what you can, when you can. If you can make one small step even a month, that would be great. You know, the planet and everyone around you will thank you.
Hello and welcome back to the Inspired Action podcast. I'm Ben Brown, and I'm Kira Doyle. In today's episode, we are going to offer you 30 tips and tricks to live more sustainably. People often ask us, "What are some of the best things I can do to live more green?" There's no simple answer to this question, but there are a lot of small aspects and changes we can make in our own lives to make this happen. We want to offer you advice for things that you may not have already thought of and offer you some brands and alternatives that we love. It's not about perfection; it's about progress, and baby steps are still steps. So get ready and jump in to 30 tips and tricks with us on how to live more green. [Music]
So let's jump right in.
All right. I think maybe it might be wise to start with in the home, so maybe we could start in the kitchen. I think that might be a good place.
Yeah. In addition to like food waste, I think there are so many little things that people can change in their day-to-day lives that could have a huge impact if you just swap out these little bits.
Yes. So number one: compost. Yes, I think yeah, food waste is a huge issue, and a lot of, a lot of councils actually have places where people can send their food waste to, and then it's done on a bigger scale, the composting. Yeah. Now this is in the UK, so for example, in London, certain councils choose to compost, um, and we're fortunate to live in a council that does compost, and it's great. You have a little green bin; you keep it in your kitchen; it closes, so don't worry, you don't smell it or anything; and then when it's full, you take it outside to a bigger brown bin that the council collects every week. So it's great. But if you don't have that opportunity, you can also get bins that do the composting in-house. So they heat up the waste—this sounds disgusting, I know—and they heat up the waste and they compact it as well, but it's it's got a complete layer around the bin so that the smell doesn't get out, the heat doesn't get out. It also depends on what type of home you live in. I think if you live in a flat, there are more expensive machines you can buy that literally can make compost for you in a few hours. But if you do have a house, if you do have a back garden or some kind of green space, maybe even start a communal one if you live in a, in a block of flats or something. You know, that would be really great, just a place for people to put their food scraps; you turn it every so often; you sometimes like add leaves to it and things like that; and yeah, and then you can make some wonderful compost.
Yes. Number two, I think we should look at how we're recycling and make sure that we're recycling correctly. Um, a lot of people wish-cycle, and that can actually be more damaging than than just throwing it straight into… What is wish-cycling? Can you explain that?
Wish-cycling is thinking that it can be recycled, so whether it's like a thin plastic and you're putting that into the bin, or you've not read the back properly and it should have been composted, that can contaminate the whole of the recyc… that you're putting into the bin, um, meaning that recyclable products are going straight to the landfill that they didn't need to.
Yeah. And just to reiterate, I mean, it's so unfortunate that as consumers, like, there's this kind of added layer of things that we need to learn and figure out, and there's so much mislabeling as well. But do your best. If it's glass—glasses—glass and aluminum are infinitely recyclable, um, or almost infinitely recyclable at least, um, and so yeah, those can always go in recycling. But when it comes to things like soft plastics or little baggies, like cris packets and things like that, do your research, see what you can do about that. Every council here in the UK and also across the world has different systems in place for that, so read the labels, see what you can do, and also ultimately try and buy things with less packaging to begin with.
Yes. Moving on just from that is save the jars that you use, so whether that's the pasta jars or whatever you're getting your food in, um, use it for storing future food. So put those things straight into the dishwasher or wash them straight away, um, and then you can use them for package-free stores.
Absolutely. I mean, when I used to have like a 9-to-5 job and I used to go to work, uh, before when Ben and I were super broke, like we could not afford like Tupperware, you know, proper storage containers because they can, they can be expensive. You know, we would basically save a pasta sauce jar, and then I would put my lunch into that, and these things are multi-purpose. You can use them as like little pots to grow seedlings and things like that. These… try and kind of be creative and yeah, come up with multi-purpose solutions for your your waste.
Yes. Next one is you don't need paper towels.
Oh, paper towels! I think my biggest pet peeve—or kitchen roll, as they call it in some places—yeah, just use cloths. You wash your cloths, and people are like, "Oh, but that uses a lot of water and energy," but no, I promise, when it comes to transportation and saving the trees, and even if, even if they're recycled still, it's like, it is such a wasteful item. You know, it can be composted, sure, if it's not been bleached and you know all this kind of stuff, but yeah, if you can use reusable kitchen towels… We have a bin in our house that when our, our towels get a bit stinky or overused, you know, we put them in there, and then at the end of the week we'll do a wash of the whole, the whole thing, so we're not doing them individually, but yeah, makes a big difference. You also don't need cling film or foil.
Oh yes. Okay. For chefs, this is a very controversial one, especially cling film. I know it's often used, you know, to… especially if you're making, if you're a baker and you're making dough or things need to be laminated… it truly is not necessary. Like I used to always make sweet potatoes, wrap them in foil individually, and I found sweet potatoes are fine just sticking them in the oven. And that also goes for lining baking sheets, ’cause I think this was a big concern of ours when we first started living together.
Same thing. When we would bake or cook, we're like, "Oh, well, we need something to line the pan so it doesn't stick." They make really great, um, reusable baking sheets that are often made out of silicone, and they have, or they have other ones, um, and they're great. Yeah, you stick… you can stick them in the dishwasher, you can hand wash them, and then put them back on the sheet and reuse them. Yeah, and if you're wanting to cover something like a can to put in the fridge, you can get reusable covers, often made from beeswax or something like that—beeswax, soy wax, silicone—especially to replace single-use plastic baggies, um, yeah, or tin covers or anything like that. Like, see what you can find. There's some great, um, they're even great like secondhand places where you can find these things or shops, um, and also this is to say, if you have a drawer in your kitchen right now full of foil and cling film and baggies, don't go into your kitchen and throw them away. Please use them. They've been purchased; use them, you know, in the best way you could, dispose of them in the best way you possibly can, and then maybe make different decisions moving forward.
Yes. Next one is switch to eco-friendly laundry pods. Like traditional detergents, they are full of chemicals, toxic chemicals, and those chemicals are going straight into waterways and it's harming wildlife; it's going back into our drinking system.
Yeah. This is something that… and this is difficult because obviously, like, especially if you're someone… if you have kids or if you're an athlete and you get like grass stains on things like that, it's really difficult. But we are huge proponents of either… yeah, looking for a more eco, um, laundry detergent solution. That's a big one. Again, read labels, see what you can do. Um, making your own is another huge one. We, whenever we wash our whites, we mix in um white vinegar, baking soda, and lemon juice, and it brings our sheets or our towels out every time looking great, um, and then also there's a natural alternative as well. I've seen lots of videos of this like on Instagram even of people using soap nuts, which is a traditional, um, even I think indigenous method of like kind of cleaning clothes. It's like these little nuts that when you get them wet they produce suds essentially and can clean your clothes. And so I know those are actually more readily available now. I think you can go online and find those.
So on that topic, I think something that people should do more of is air dry their clothes.
Mhmm. And I know this sounds… for most Europeans and people in the UK, I think this is kind of culturally more common, but I know that for example, in America, where I grew up, everybody uses their dryer always; there's no other alternative; people don't even own clothes drying racks. And it's again, it's a cultural thing. And not only does hang-drying your clothing, um, increase the clothes longevity, um, it doesn't reduce the quality because drying can mess with the, obviously the size, it can mess with the fiber strength, it can mess with colors, all different kinds of things, um, so yeah, hang dry your clothes; can save you a lot of energy as well, like can save your electric bill a lot, um, and yeah, like I said, the quality of your clothes and everything just remain better for longer. That's a huge thing.
Switching rooms, we're moving to the bathroom. Okay, so I think a great piece of advice is switch to soap and shampoo bars.
Yes, okay. So soap and shampoo bars. I think for a long time they got a bad rap, like, "Oh, they didn't… enough," or, "Oh, it's just… it doesn't work right," but truly, I think recently we found a couple of great brands and, um, different… yeah, different companies that make different shampoo bars, and they've worked incredibly well. Like, as you can see, I have a lot of thick hair, so I need a conditioner specialty that's going to really feel… make my hair feel okay, soft, and like it's been clean and everything like that. So yeah, if possible, I mean, that's a great one, or find a company that does a great, um, refill scheme or where you can bring back your containers to the store to be recycled. Like, there's loads of options here, but definitely your products, I think, are a big thing to look at when you're buying.
Yes. One recommendation I'd say is Ethique, um, shampoo bars. They've been really good.
Mhmm. The curly line. Yeah, that's been great for us. Um, next one is compostable toothbrushes. Now, we are… people… I've converted Cara now into an electric toothbrush. I was so anti-electric toothbrush for so long. I think it's ’cause they're so loud, and it was like, I just never… I never liked that feeling, and now I can't live without it. But for a while there was no way that you could have an electric compostable toothbrush, right? Because for… when it comes to… for those who don't know, when it comes to like recycling electric toothbrushes, because there's so many parts, there's plastic, there's metal, there's batteries, there's springs, there's all kinds of things in there, it becomes a a bit of a nightmare for people… their recycling center; they have to completely dismantle it, or it just ends up in landfill essentially.
Yes. But we found a brand that actually is now making electric compostable toothbrushes.
Yes, called Suri.
Suri. Yes. And this… podcast is not sponsored by any of these brands. These are just things that we found to really work well, um, and yeah, the S… toothbrush… the fully com… the heads basically… when the… when you feel like you need to change out the toothbrush head, um, it comes off, and then you can put it in a little pouch and send it back to them, and they will compost it in their facility because I believe it's industrially compostable, um, but yeah, really great, highly recommend.
Yes. Next one is use bamboo or recycled toilet paper.
Yeah. This is… I know this is kind of a… I like to think that it's become more popular in recent years, like people have started to look more for recycled toilet paper or biodegradable or something made out of bamboo or…
Well, bamboo is a grass, so it essentially… so it grows so much faster than a tree does. I believe we can grow up to a meter per day.
Yeah, we can. That's crazy. And there's a company called Who Gives a Crap, who—great name, by the way—who are giving 50% of their profits to help build toilets in places that they need them. So not only are you buying a better product, you're also helping people along the way. That's really great. And I will say, um, that's a company that we do order from, and they… this is not, again, not a sponsored post; we… I don't think we've ever worked in collaboration with them either. And we order a box… I think they do a box of like 48 rolls; we order that in January of every year, and we… it… it takes us to the end of the year. We're two people; genuinely, like, it lasts; it… it works.
Last thing in the bathroom is choose reef-safe sunscreen. This is… okay, this is a big one, um, when it comes to products. Obviously, there's so much mislabeling of things. Reef-safe is something that is… it's… it's an unregulated term, so a lot of companies have been able to be like, "Oh, yeah, reef-safe," and just put the stamp on there, but a lot of them aren't, even if they say reef-safe. So the best thing to opt for is mineral sunscreens if you can. I know a lot of people are like, "Oh, it's so thick and claggy, and it gives you a white cast." There are really great companies out there, and if you're not sure about your skin or sunscreen that you have in your cupboard, look at the ingredients. I believe it's octanoate and oxybenzone.
Yeah, oxybenzone. Those are kind of the two key ones, ’cause these ingredients, when in the ocean… if you rub it on your skin, you go to the beach or on holiday or even in a lake, these can cause hormone disrupt within fish and marine life; they can cause coral bleaching or contribute to coral bleaching. There's a lot of things that can happen here, so I know it's kind of like, "Ah, they're making me throw away my whole vanity." No, we're not; I promise. Use what you have, but look for better in the future.
Yes. Now moving on to how we power our homes, um, I think one of the main things that people can do is switch to a renewable energy provider if that's possible where you live.
Absolutely. I think we don't often think about it, um, you know, we think, "Oh, I got to pay my energy bill," but we don't think about where that energy actually comes from. In the UK, for example, I know that we power our home using Ecotricity, and that is a company that invests, um, in renewables. So all the power that is being used to power our house comes from renewable sources. If that's not possible, look for someone who is actually advocating and doing the work to do… to do better or investing in better solutions.
Yes. Next thing is switch off things when you aren't using them. I think that's very basic, but can save you a lot of money over a year.
Absolutely. And it is difficult. I will say, in the UK we're really lucky here, as someone who grew up in America, um, the UK is really ahead of this in terms of having the switches on the actual sockets themselves, even in the kitchen. You know, you have the switches on kind of the backsplash above the kitchen counter, and you can turn off your oven; you can turn off your dishwasher; and that is a huge, huge energy saver. I know whenever we go away on holiday or for work, we always switch those off, whereas in America, for example, there aren't switches on the, um, on the sockets or on the outlets. So if you can, where… where you can reach, obviously you often can't reach behind your dishwasher, but if it's even just a little plug… your iPhone charger or your laptop charger, whatever it is, unplug it; just let it sit there; you know, keep it… it could honestly save you money and also could protect your devices and things from power surges if that occurs. So yes, get a smart meter.
That's the next one.
Oh yes, you were a big advocate for this. Yeah, I didn't know how it was actually going to affect us, but being able to see how much energy we're using every single day and how much equates to in money, it really makes you aware of how much energy you're using and also the times of day that you… because you can see exactly when you use your most energy, when you use the least; you know what days were more intense than others, especially in winter. Now that we're deep into winter here in the UK, you can see the days where your radiators or your central heating, whatever you may have, had to work harder because of… because of how cold it is outside and the inside’s trying to compensate. So it's a great way, yeah, to see what your… what kind of energy you're using or the… what level of energy… using… how much you're spending on that and yeah, maybe how you can make a change if you're leaving the house or something like that.
Yeah, and it's also quite fun just to see like, "Oh, that shower cost me 20p," or, "That kettle going on during that period of time cost me 10p," or it's just interesting. I think… I think you're a nerd.
I think I'm maybe…
Next one is can you better insulate your home? I think the… the UK has some of the leakiest houses in Europe… leakiest housing… some of the leakiest housing stock in Europe.
Yeah, because a lot of the buildings are old or poorly insulated or poorly designed, even… especially even the new builds, because often times profit is prioritized or speed of the build is prioritized over the quality. So yeah, that is… that's a tough one, but I think fortunately there are a lot of government incentives that are trying to remedy this and schemes.
Mhmm. That's really… yeah, so looking to see maybe your local government, you know, local council might be doing something or even national government to see what you can do for your home. Moving away from energy, we're moving towards money now. This is something that I believe you touch on quite a lot when you talk about giving people advice, um, but switching banks.
Yeah. So I am a firm proponent and believer in… I think I've said this in several interviews and panels and things, but I believe that we don't only vote for change as consumers with the votes or the ballots that we cast, you know, at the polls, but also in what we choose to invest our money in, the brands we support, the… the organizations, the people, even the food suppliers, all of that. So where you put your money is one part of it, but the other part of it is even just how you're storing your money. So the banks that you use, um, there's a great platform called bank.green; you can look it up online, um, spelled as it sounds, and they… you can type in your bank, whatever bank you use around the world, and they try and show you as much information as they can about where your bank invests your money, because at the end of the day, your money sits in there, but your bank is investing it elsewhere. I think that's a big thing that people don't realize is it's not just sat there. No, that bank is investing it into either fossil fuels or renewable energy.
Absolutely. And and some banks even fund wars or genocides around the world and horrible things. So you really want to make sure that your money is going… yeah, going to the right places and going toward bettering the planet rather than just kind of keeping the pockets lined of those who’ve had them lined for centuries.
Yes. Quick one, um, pension provider. Same thing. Make sure it's with the good people.
Yep. Same thing. In the UK, pension… where you put your money, you know, to try and save for retirement, same thing… the pensions invest your money into something, um, that's how you get returns on it and interest. So yeah, make sure your pension provider is also investing toward good stuff. So now we're moving outside of the home and looking towards where we're actually spending that money that we're saving… shopping. Um, first thing, I think, is such a simple thing, but just bring reusable bags with you. Either have them in the car or just in a backpack or something, but it makes such a difference.
It really does. And I think especially in Europe, where bag… you’re charged for the bags that you purchase at the supermarket, whether it's 10p, 25p, it's a small amount, but it does add up. So I like to think that especially within our generation, a lot of people have started to just always be a tote bag girly; always have one with you. And especially when we travel as well, we always have one rolled up in our bag just in case we need to do food shopping or want to go buy something while we're out, um, and yeah, that's a big one; it's a… it's such a simple one, and I know it's like, you know, the drum has been banged on this topic too far too long, but, um, but it's true; it really can make such a difference because I know especially in places like America, whenever we go back to visit my family, plastic bags—that is still the norm, unfortunately. It hasn't shifted to paper bags yet, and, um, which still can be wasteful if used in excess, but it's a better alternative, um, but yeah, having your own bag makes such a difference at the supermarket. And actually, I found that whenever we shop in supermarkets in America and if they're ready to pull out a plastic bag, if we have our own bag, they're like, "Oh, thank you for bringing your own bag." So it's a nice little thing because they recognize the impact, and I think we do as well.
Yes. Next thing is do you need to buy that thing? So could you instead repair what you had beforehand? ’Cause a lot of people have lost those skills of either sewing or whether it's fixing something digitally; it's like, can you just like learn the skill on YouTube perhaps? And YouTube University is always a good one.
Yeah. And save them… save money from it as well. Sometimes it's a simple stitch; if you just learn how to do that one simple stitch, you can fix your favorite, you know, top or skirt, whatever it may be. But I like to think also because of this kind of ethical movement, people trying to make the most out of what they have, there have been a lot of organizations and businesses that have kind of sprouted up out of this that are trying to make repairing, alteration, things like that more accessible from a price standpoint for people. So like Sojo here in the UK is a great example of that; they have a spot in Selfridges, but they also have like their own business that they run independently, um, and they basically… you fill out a thing online, let them know what you need altered or repaired, and then they will come pick it up by electric bike, uh, from you, or… I even… I'm not even sure; it might even be a regular bike… they come pick it up from you, take it away, repair it, and then deliver it back to your home, which is great; takes the hustle out of it for you.
Yes. We understand that not everything can be repaired, so what should people do if they can't repair it?
If you can't repair it, really… I mean, honestly, there's so much… great… people are doing so much great work to repair things. Like, I remember we attended the Blue Earth Summit last year, and there was a whole table set up and funded by Patagonia, and they had a team of seamstresses sitting there, so… and they encouraged before the event people to bring any, um, outerwear or any clothing that really… that they had that had a, a basically a problem with it, had a hole in it or had a big… a big gash or something like that. And we sat there, and we watched these seamstresses work, and they took these beautiful outdoor kind of technical jackets, and they patched them up and made them look really cool. But if that's not the case, see what your local options are for clothing recycling, textile recycling; that's kind of the best thing, or even, you know, you can still try and sell it. Like, there's a lot of great secondhand platforms where, you know, you list it as used or something. And definitely always make sure the person… you know how you’re listing it… you know, make sure you say, "Yes, this has a flaw; this has a hole," whatever it is. But sometimes people have skills that you don't, so they may see it and be like, "Ah, I can fix that," that's great, and then yeah, then they can buy it off you. And there’ll be things that you think are not your style anymore or your size anymore, so also looking at donating them or selling them on those platforms as well.
Right, exactly. But that's another… that's one thing I want to touch on quickly. A lot of times, um, when people donate things, they donate them because they have like a hole or a big stain. Do not do that, please. That is so much extra time and effort for these organizations. If it's very minor, sometimes they might take it, but if things have giant holes in them, it's going to end up, you know, wherever they have to put their clothing. And often times, I think a lot of charities do try and recycle as much clothing waste or textile waste as they can, but sometimes it does end up in landfill. So… okay, moving away from shopping for clothing and those kind of things towards shopping for food, um, I think we touched on it a little bit earlier with saving your jars, but going to… if… if you have this available, of course, because it's not everywhere in the world, but buying from bulk food shops. So we have one very close to us called Source Bulk Food where we go every single month, and we take all of our jars, and we… we basically like stock up for the month. It depends on where your shopping from, obviously, but I think several studies have also found that buying in bulk is more cost-effective, obviously, because sometimes you buy, you know, a packet of lentils, for example, and you're like, "Oh, this is… this is, you know, this is so cheap to buy this packet," but then it sits in your cupboard for six months, and it’s like… when you buy these things in bulk, not only are they kind of… you see them more frequently, like, "Oh, let me do something with that," but yeah, you get kind of that cost per… not cost per wear as it would be with clothing, but more like cost per meal, if you will, with this, um, and it keeps… often times if you buy like dried beans and yeah, dried lentils, rices, pastas, that kind of thing… this stuff keeps a lot longer, um, so that also helps save you money as well because you're not wasting. And yeah, and as Ben briefly touched on as well, if you save your jars, like we mentioned, all our pasta jars, like that's what we put our bulk goods into. And you can also order bulk goods online; I believe there are several organizations and companies that are trying to make that more accessible to people who maybe don’t have a a bulk food shop near them.
Yes. But if you do have one near you, go to it, ’cause it’s so fun. Have so much fun. Every time I feel like a kid in Candyland; like, it’s literally the best; like, it’s just… it’s cool; it just… again, it reconnects you with your food, and you’re like, “Oh, instead of just going to the shop and picking it off the shelf, you’re like, ‘I actually get to…’” And also the intrusive thoughts kick in. I bet you see a thing of beans, you’re like, “I want to stick my hand in that.” Don’t do that; don’t do that. But I had to stop myself a few times, maybe. But it is really, really fun. So fantastic. All right, moving away from shopping now into travel; some tips there, um, most basic one is use public transport when you can.
Mhmm. Obviously, this is a big one because the public transport networks are not available everywhere in the world, especially in places like America where cars are so unfortunately necessary.
Yeah. Invest in a bicycle. I think if you can find… even on Facebook Marketplace, there’s great bicycles, um, but if you have… if you’re able to invest in a good electric bike, like we recently did, and honestly, we’ve been using it so much; it’s so great; it’s so much… it’s so much quicker; it’s more efficient. I mean, you feel good; you get to take in… yeah, especially in cities or even in suburban areas, honestly, like if you can cycle to your nearer supermarket… culturally it may not be the thing to do; people might look at you, thinking, “Why is he cycling when he could drive?” You know, stuff like that. But genuinely, or even walk there, like I think there’s so many, obviously, physical health benefits to be reaped from that, but mentally as well. I think you’ll feel so much better; like, I never feel worse than when I’m sitting in traffic, and you’re just like, “Oh my gosh, like, how much time have… in my life have I wasted, you know, sitting in traffic waiting for change when I could kind of start that change.” But if you do have a car, look at how you can go electric. I think this… there are actually… it’s becoming more affordable, especially, um, looking at secondhand electric cars. So yeah, I think… I think… I think that’s a big… that’s a big thing. But obviously, there’s a lot of people, I think, have kind of fear or that have been taught to kind of fear electric cars ’cause it’s this new thing, “Oh, what if you run out of battery?” You know, all these different things… the more… it’s kind of a chicken-and-egg situation; the more people that choose to invest in electric cars, the better the infrastructure will get, and the better the infrastructure will get, the more people will buy electric cars. So it’s a whole thing, but there are a lot of… like, I know companies that are trying to make electric cars more affordable, more accessible to people. And if you can’t afford an electric car because they are… they can be very expensive depending on the company that you purchase from… try and… try carpooling, you know, try and see how many… if you have to make… if you have to run errands, try and do them all in one go rather than multiple little trips. And yeah, I mean, you do what you can. We’re not expecting perfection; we’re just demanding a bit of progression and trying… trying new things.
’Cause we are far from perfect ourselves. I want to reiterate that these are things that we try and fail to do constantly, and I think yeah, it’s just about doing what you can.
Yeah. And also with electric cars, it’s a long-term investment as well, because it may be a big upfront cost, but the charging… in… in comparison to petrol is so much cheaper. It is so much cheaper. Genuinely, we have a friend who recently moved to the Midwest of America, and he said this as well. He said, “He said, ‘I have an electric truck, and I was a bit worried about the charging infrastructure.’ He’s had no issues whatsoever.” And yeah, and it’s… it genuinely… especially from our experiences whenever we’ve rented an electric car or have been gifted one, you know, for a short term or something like that to drive around a certain place, like it’s always cheaper than petrol, genuinely.
Yes. Final point, um, I think it’s always nice to end on this thing is holidays, choosing where you want to spend your… your holidays, um, and this is something I think we’ve touched on in a previous episode as well. Travel, whether it’s, you know, to the town to the next town over to the next state or county or country over… travel is so important for people. If you are fortunate to be in the position to have the opportunity to go and see a new place, absolutely do it; like, that is… that is so valuable for you as a human being; like, absolutely do it.
Yes. And I think people obviously will have to fly if their families live across the pond, like Cara does, or anywhere else in the world. But if you can, try and use train and or even bike for… for some trips, like we’ve done, um, cycle trips for holidays, and it’s honestly been the best holidays that we’ve ever had; it’s been so fun.
Yeah, especially, um, in the Netherlands, for example, we spent two weeks cycling from Amsterdam actually to Dunkirk in northern France, and that was amazing. That… that was so much fun; it was such a different way to travel, different way to see the country, um, but also even, you know, with… in terms of train infrastructure, um, I know that Canada has the trans… I don’t think this is the name of it correct; it might not be saying the name correctly, but I think it’s the Trans-Canadian Railway, and so it goes from one end of Canada to another, and it takes multiple days. This is not… if I’m not saying this is a high-speed train whatsoever, and it shouldn’t be; it’s there to take in the sites and the beautiful surroundings that Canada has to offer. So see what your, you know, country or state or area has, and yeah, see if you can make the most of that, and just… you can gain something from that, I think for sure.
Well, thank you very much. That was our 30 tips and tricks for living more sustainably.
Yeah. And that’s obviously like a a very quick summary of little things you can do, small changes, but baby steps are still steps, I think. And as I said earlier, it’s not about perfection;