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I don't know how—we actually, I do know how we landed this—but we're headed, hopefully, to go get a podcast with Elon Musk. Pretty [ __ ] crazy! We don't have exact confirmation yet because with guys like this in the podcast game too, like, they're busy as [ __ ] obviously. It's Elon Musk on a Monday, so we don't know if it's gonna go down for sure.

But John, our president, has been emailing Elon back and forth because they've known each other from when John used to work with Bieber. And then Elon, he said 8 PM in Austin, Texas. So we're about to [ __ ] hopefully go get Elon Musk on the podcast. Is he going to flop? You guys probably already know, but we don't know right now.

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All right, can't believe this is happening, but it's going [ __ ] down! Going down in, I guess, 16 minutes. Elon Musk is pulling up to the [ __ ] Full Send podcast! Crazy!

Yeah, round of applause! This is a huge podcast! You guys are fired up, we're fired up! Elon Musk, John Shahidi, shout out to John! Yeah, thank you! But like, what a [ __ ]—we're gonna tell the story too.

So we got Saleem here, we got Steiny here, and we got President Full Send, John, sitting in on this episode. Steve could not be here, and this episode is pretty much dedicated to him too because he's a huge Elon fan. His channel was [ __ ]—he was too—permanently deleted by YouTube literally probably 12 hours ago.

We landed in Texas, and we literally found out that his channel was being [ __ ] deleted. He was so—he was supposed to be on this pod, and he just said, "Yo, guys, I can't. Just can't really do it right now. I'm just not in the mood." But it was the ultimate mind [ __ ] because we landed, we had two texts: one from YouTube that the channel is being permanently deleted and one from Elon confirming the podcast.

So we're like, "Wait a minute!" Yeah, I know, freaking out here! Are we [ __ ] devastated? It was a mind [ __ ]! Shout out Steve though! How long did this channel run for? Two years? Three years?

He's been going since 20—posted it got me emotional. Yeah, 2018. 2018, three years. I think he was at 4.7 something million people. I'll take 5 million subs too, which is crazy! Well, I got some stats crushing the game for that long. Grinding! Steve worked [ __ ] hard, you know that too, on his videos.

Yeah, do whatever it takes! So one thing about Steve too is people just think he's all an entertainer, but that guy gets [ __ ] done. He doesn't make excuses. No, he works hard! He doesn't quit, he doesn't sleep, he gets to the finish line, right? And that's why I think his channel got to where it got.

Check out these stats I got today: Steve will do it, and how many years? Two years of the channel? Two, three years? All right, gave away 32 cars, 52 watches, three houses, over one million dollars in US cash, over three million dollars in pesos. Many cars, 32, you said? One of them is mine, one of them's Saleem's.

Yes, I have one! One, but it got taken back. No, I gave that one—we gave that one away, but I have one. One of those watches? Take them back too? Yeah, I didn't do the net amount. Okay, yeah, you know. But yeah, it's just crazy! I mean, that was very shocking to us, and we're just—I just can't believe it, bro!

Like, I just—it's definitely pretty [ __ ] wild! No, that'd make me cry! I'd be crying! So we gotta crush this episode for Steve! Yeah, big Elon fan!

Yeah, and honestly, shout out to him for [ __ ] continuing to be edgy and not giving a [ __ ]! Like, it takes balls to do that [ __ ]! Yeah, it's like a Trump episode, right? Yeah, it's the same! I mean, I think it's just the reality of the world now is that—what's the solution, Kyle? We gotta build our own [ __ ]!

We're working on it! Pretty crazy though, if you think about it, man! Getting Donald Trump, Elon Musk now! I mean, like, if possibilities are endless! Like, we're only at a million subs on Full Send! Twice Dana White, twice!

Do we know what episode number this is? Like, Ricky Fowler? Ricky Fowler was huge! Where he follows you? Ricky Fowler was a huge one! Good land, good line! Good land! Ricky's associated!

Shout out to—before we get into Elon Musk, shout out to Steiny for landing Ricky Fowler! And for the record, I've had a few others that are big names that we've canceled on. Fair! The same! Stanis almost made us do YK Osiris!

Oh dude, why? YK is funny! Why can't he? Like, we canceled on Wiz Khalifa! Canceled on—rescheduled! Would have been good! And we rescheduled Wiz for this, by the way!

Yeah, just for that! We can't tell them a couple times, but also Lana Rhoades, which would have been good! That's more YouTubey! Yeah, but still, it's a Full Send pocket! And I mean, the list goes on! I don't want to waste much time with that, but those are a couple of them!

Yes, crazy! John, how did this initially go down? How'd you get his email? Well, John—John will tell the story! We'll tell it when Elon gets here! But I've been on Elon for nine years now! It's 2013!

Are you guys boys? We're cool! I mean, he always takes care of me! We run into each other sometimes here and there! First name basis? Yeah, it's [ __ ] lit!

No, what do you mean first? What else? Like, he like does it up, bro! No, but it does adapt! You up for handshake? I've seen that! Or is it just like a quick props and keep it moving? No, it's just a headache!

It was one time I saw him at Delilah, of all places! He was at Delilah in West Hollywood, and he saw me! He jumped! He came out—what? Came out of his table! I didn't want to go because I don't want to bother him! He was with his family!

And he's like, "What are you doing here?" I was like, I was there with a friend! So you guys should come sit over here! And we hung out, and we were out till like 2 AM!

You see one of his baby mamas? I don't remember! How long ago was this? This was like maybe like 2018! 2018! So how long ago? You've had his email since? You've always had him on—what's that? And his phone number too, but you hit him over email?

Yeah, yeah! So how did—what? When did you first hit him on email? How long ago? I hit him for the pod! For the pod! I want to say I hit him—I hit him like, I think like shortly after the Trump episode! I sent him the Trump episode!

That's persistent! Did he respond? He did! What'd he say? He said, "Not yet, but let's—he's like, but let's, you know, some—maybe!" I think he said like something, "Maybe sometime in the future!" But I wasn't like—no, it was like, "Not yet!"

Like first time you reached out to him, he literally was like, "I'm down, but not now!" Mm-hmm! And then how many times till now did you like message him in between? Like tell the story! Like five times!

What? What's up? So I sent that one! I sent him some of the press about us and, you know, the episode being taken down by YouTube because I know he's all about censorship as well!

So you're just constantly updating him on what we're doing? Yeah, but I think the big one actually that I sent him recently was I did the Money Buys Happiness podcast, the new Full Send podcast!

And there was a clip in there when I told the Bieber story, and I sent him this! I was like, "Yo, check out this, like, you know, story that I told in this podcast! Would love to have you on ours!" And that's when he wrote back!

I forgot the wording, but he wrote like, "We could get that done soon!" And that's when I was with you! I was like—and you're like, "Well, tell them this weekend!" And I was like, "This weekend?" He's like, "Well, I don't know if I'm gonna be in Texas or in Florida!"

And I said, "Well, how's Monday?" Where will he be on Monday? He says, "Most likely Texas!" So we'll be there! I dropped a little, "Sammy's birthday!" I was like, "Don't—no, no, no!"

If you remember my brother Sammy, but it's his birthday that day too! This would be really good! I dropped a little bit of that too, and he wrote back, "Very cool! Text me the day of! I'll give you an address!"

You're intimidated by this guy though, Elon Musk? Just because it's like low-key with someone who's so much smarter than all of us, it's just [ __ ] intimidating! You heard what Joe Rogan said?

No, he said—Joe Rogan said you feel like a stupid person talking to him! Like you feel like you're not just like on his level of smart! Well, nobody is, bro! I don't know! You feel stupid talking to like Elon because of how intelligent he is!

You know who's more impressive than this guy in the world? I don't think there is! Not many people! Not many! He's impressive because he's all—he's smart! He's also funny as [ __ ] man! Like his Twitter is so funny!

But one thing I didn't know about him is like he likes to party in wheels! I did not know too! I didn't know he had nine—nine baby! I feel like that's kind of common! Is that true? I thought he was just like a pure nerd, but he's like, "No, no, no, no! He's cool! He's a beauty!"

Yeah, I think the thing is when you're that successful and you're that stressed out, that's kind of your getaway—[ __ ] partying, right?

Yeah, talk about Trump! Yeah, how was senior boy Trump? Yeah, it was dope! We saw Trump at Live! Um, yeah, he came up to us, or he's like, "Where's the Knock Boys?!"

Yeah, Live Golf! Not Live Miami! Oh, not Live Miami! Oh, no! Live Golf! We saw him at Live Golf! He's funny to see him there!

Yeah, and he's like, "Where's the—he's like, 'Where's the NELK Boys? Come here! I want to get some fame and [ __ ]!'" Really? So funny! The best thing he's ever said is, "You didn't fold, bro!"

I didn't know like politicians said that! I thought that was more of like a rapper thing! It is pretty—it's still nerve-wracking talking to Trump though! It is! Like seeing him again, he said the same thing though about not folding when we golfed with them in L.A. a couple months ago!

I think we gotta get—we gotta start being the connectors with these pods too! With this pod! Like we could start connecting people! Like I feel like one day we gotta get Trump and Elon on at the same time! That'll be insane!

We can start lighter! Kodak and Trump! Kodak and Trump! We need to do like a AOC and DeSantis! No, no, we're good with her! What happened? Come on, bro! That would not be entertaining! Are you not entertained?

I think we should get someone left-wing on! But everyone says that! Like why don't you get someone left-wing on? We're down! They won't do it! But also, if I'm a politician, I'm left-wing, my attitude is I'll come on there and destroy all three of these [ __ ] young kids!

You're pretty off-wing though, right? Left-wing people don't roll like that though! I think the only one that would go—I think the only one that would have the balls to come on would be Bernie Sanders!

Bernie Sanders? I think would do it because he's a really good debater! Yeah, I'd love to go out with that guy! Like I don't agree with everything he says, but you can't deny Bernie Sanders is a good debater!

Yeah, he's a good speaker! I don't know! I mean, Bernie Sanders would be fire! Why not? Yeah, it's not like we do everybody that we like!

Yeah, we have for the most—Pelosi! That'd be huge! She's attractive! We should kind of have somebody on I think that we don't get along with and like get the fireworks a little bit! AOC would be viral!

I just don't think she would ever do it! She would never do it! Yeah, I don't know! Let's try! Why wouldn't she? I'll DM her right now! You're right! You [ __ ] AOC!

Oh yeah, you'd like her! She's like the leader of like wing—like feminist girl! We should have her on at the same time! Oh my god! If her and Andrew Tate came on, it would be the craziest thing!

We wouldn't have to speak! No, it'd be insane! You guys saw the [ __ ] Milk video too? Check the Milk video! We did it! So we're going back! We're going from Andrew Tate on the pod, which right now is at 5.5 million views in four days!

Seven! What? 5.7! 5.7 million in four days as members! And now we're going straight to Elon, which this one's obviously going to blow up!

But yeah, it's [ __ ] crazy, man! There's tons of people left! What? Guess two! We got Bieber! We gotta get—we got Drake! Kim Jong-un! Kim Jong-un! Tom Brady! Tom Brady! Steph Curry would be doing! Steph Curry!

Wayne Gretzky! Kanye West! Kanye West! And Bob used to say it too! But Kim Jong-un is possible! Yeah, I think it's possible too! He might be the most possible on who you just listed!

Yeah, probably! Because outside of Bieber, he's like—I think North Korea would want to like show off what a great country it is! I don't know if I would go there! I'd go North Korea!

I don't know, man! No, like you don't just fly in! Yeah, if they come in there—no, we'd go! I'd go! I'd go! I would go! How did Rodman go? He reached—okay, so I know the story!

Kim Jong-un reached out to Jordan and said, "Hey, I would love to meet with you!" Jordan denied! So we reached out to Pippin! Pippin denied! And then he reached out to Rodman, and Rodman said, "[ __ ] it! I'm coming!"

Like he has his own ski resort! He has his own like island! Like they're literally just going there, and they're just—if he's calling North Korean chicks!

Yeah, yeah! Well, that's dope! But if he's not going to [ __ ] around, then I'm down to go! They wouldn't invite us to like keep us there and [ __ ]! There is no way that he would let us—he might come with us!

He would, right? Yeah! [ __ ]! We're gonna go to North Korea with Trump! Yeah, we gotta overlap! We're going to North Korea with Trump! Vote Trump 2024! Get him in office so he could take us to North Korea!

I think it might not be available that week, but the boys will go! I think we gotta sit back to Bradley Martin! Reflect! Like we've been thinking like a lot lately! Like shit's [ __ ] crazy, bro! Really crazy!

Like don't think that we don't think this is crazy, guys! Like I'm nervous! Like every time it's like we think this shit's crazy, and then it's like we just keep outdoing ourselves!

Yeah, and it's like we got such a great group of people! Like everyone here that's just like—we're all pushing each other, and like we're just—we're just all kind of competitive, and we just want to win, and we just want to kill it!

And like you said, competition—it's healthy competition! But we also want to make one another proud! All right? Like I'm always thinking like, "How do I make you guys proud? What do I have to do? How do I make Steve proud?"

You know, once again, shout out to Steve! I miss you, bro! Crazy! Let's just like—could have been here saying that! Like it's kind of—it is crazy because I have Elon's car!

The past six months have been the craziest months of all time, bro! I think what really started was when we did the Miami trip with Lil Durk, Kodak, and since then, it's just been—it's been a small [ __ ] trailer!

He's saying right when he joined the pod, pretty much! Yeah, no, I was gonna agree! Pretty much what you said! Oh, I didn't say that! And I am grateful to be on this spot, so I appreciate you guys and the fans!

He's just doing it because he gets started! I think it's been crazy right when I joined the pod! Everything just [ __ ]! Bro, I said the last six months have been insane, and they have been!

Yeah, so Steiny does work really hard behind the scenes on the pod too! Yeah, I didn't know you went over questions and stuff! Yeah, it was interesting! Study hard!

I love this [ __ ] man! So you, dude, for me, it's like how many people in the world get an opportunity to sit down with these people? And if you have that opportunity, like, you gotta [ __ ] show up!

You know, if you don't show up and you get to sit down with Elon Musk, you're not prepared! It's like that's such a waste, and it's unfair to people who are like trying to get that whole life!

No, no, please just say that! This is gonna help you with a large graphic of women after Elon Musk! [ __ ] yeah, that's like some side—like I'm stoked for that!

Like, but that's not the main reason! Yo, he told me—I told him, I was like, "Yo, Elon!" And security asked to make sure hotel staff, no one in the hotel knows Elon's coming because that's usually who leaks!

He goes, "Nah, I told a couple!" He told me he told a couple girls about the pool already! Are you serious? I had to drop one of them!

What are the odds Elon comes and fires with us tonight? That's realistically—I mean, dude, it's—you're with him at Delilah until 2 AM! Percentage-wise? 50-50!

No, I'd say it's like a good 10! Dude, I think after this, we're gonna get hammered on the pod! We're gonna hop on a jet, and we're gonna go to like Mexico with Elon or something!

We're going to party! Slam hookies! We're going to gamble on steak with Elon! Do some sweet bonanzas with Elon! Music party! I don't know!

And I think it's just going to be a great night! I'll have fruit party with you on! Somebody! That'd be funny! Going on stream!

Oh, you know what? He might like Jack hand with him! He might play Crash! He might be a Crash genius! Happy genius! All right, not bad, boys! I'm sure you have enough cameras!

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I really appreciate you coming here! We got the mic right here! That's where we need Gabe! Oh, you're right in there! This is our shelter! It's called Happy Dad!

All right, you a drinker or no? I don't drink alcohol! You try to give—of course I drink alcohol! You gotta try one! Sure!

Yeah, we usually do the cups if someone's drinking water! Elon in the house! Pouring a Happy Dad right out of the gate! Should we cheers to that? Cheers!

Thanks for coming, Elon! We really appreciate it! Cheers! How was your day? What'd you get up to today? So bad? Just work? Or like working? Or how was your day?

Should I get closer to the mic? Yeah, probably! Let's fix it! [Laughter] We're just rolling too! We just always just go straight for it! [Laughter]

So how did this all come about? You guys have met, what, like John said, like 10 years ago? You've known each other for like 10 years at the Super Bowl thing?

Yeah, Mayweather fight! We went to a Mayweather fight together! Yeah! What was that story? Was it 10 years ago? It was 2013!

Yeah, oh, that's crazy! That was great! It was the Canelo-Mayweather fight! Do you remember the story about when Bieber came on the plane and he brought too many people?

Yeah, and then I forgot how many people he bought! He bought like 10, 12! It was like a bus that showed up! Yeah, yeah! Or many banners! There were like a lot of people!

Yeah, and I'm freaking out! And I go to our boy Shervin, I'm like, "I don't know what to do! Bieber just rolled up with way too many people!" And he's like, "Just go be honest with Elon!"

So I went and let Elon know! I was like, "Yo, bro, sorry! Like Bieber brought like a lot of people!" There's already—your family was on the plane too!

Yeah, and Elon goes, "Don't worry! I got this handled!" And him and his brother Kimball, they made like one quick phone call, and like 20 minutes later, another jet just rolled in, right?

Yeah, we got a second plane here! And then we flew to Vegas! How does that work, Elon? Do you just have like jets like on demand like that?

No, that was my brother's plane! Your brother's plane? Yeah, that's dope! What was the link with Bieber? No, our buddy Shervin! You wanted a Terminator?

Sure, you know Shervin! Of course you know! Yeah, I know Shervin! Well, yeah, actually, you know Shervin's daughter! There you go! Yeah, she's very beautiful!

Yeah, this is crazy to have you here though! I mean, we have our—we have like one of our metacard, our NFTs, and in the Discord, all they're saying all the time is just please get Elon on! Please get you!

Okay, please! What do they want me to say? What's that? What are they curious about? A lot of everything! Lots! Space, cars, crypto! Really? Scarce? Encrypt?

Yeah, I think those are—Link! Neuralink! Yeah! Are you in Texas like full-time now? Because you used to be in Cali, right?

Yeah, I was—I used to live in California, but I mostly live in Texas these days! Tesla, we built this giant factory called the Texas Giga Texas, which is the biggest factory in North America, just outside Austin!

So I'm working on just bringing up that factory, which is just increasing the production! It's like a factory's giant cybernetic collective! So you're gonna make the cybernetic collective work with thousands of people and machines!

Just a lot of like ten thousand little things to fix! Basically, the team's doing great though! So we're splitting up! They're splitting up the Giga Texas factory here in Austin, and they're building a giant rocket in South Texas near Brownsville!

So it's a Starlink rocket! It's called Starship! Yeah, but it will launch the Starlink 2 satellites! Nice! Yeah! When I turn my head, can you still—[Laughter]

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What's that? What's that movement like from Cali to Texas? Like which one? Do you ever miss Cali? I was still in California, you know, a couple days!

Like two or three days every couple weeks! Okay, so, yeah! So I'm in every couple weeks! I'm in L.A. for a few days! Bay Area for a few days! Basically something like that!

What made you move out here to Texas? I was basically building the Giga Texas factory in Austin and then the Starship program in South Texas! So the basically the two big new things for both Tesla and SpaceX were in Texas!

So ended up being that's where I needed to be! When you're talking about Bay Area, you're talking about the Fremont factory? That's still there, right?

Yeah, so yeah, that's the original one, right? Sort of our original big factory! Yeah, we had a tiny factory in Menlo Park at one point! Okay! Where we made the Tesla Roadster!

The Tesla Fremont factory in the San Francisco Bay Area is the highest output car factory in North America! It makes more cars than any other factory! So—and we're trying to ramp it up!

So it's not like Tesla's leaving California! It's just we kind of got too big for to fit in the Bay Area! Yeah, you know! And if you know that—if you know the region, like you're kind of sandwiched in between the ocean, the bay, and the mountains, and there's no room!

Yeah, yeah! It's real! Houses are crazy money! Yeah, yeah! Where was our flag at when we—I don't know if you know our brand's called Full Send! So that's like our—that's like the term that we coined!

Yeah, I think that one of your guys—that was a sponsorship, I believe! That's right! Yeah, for some reason, it's basically say that a lot too!

Yeah, so that's our beautiful—you see the Full Send? People say Full Send at SpaceX a lot! Really? Really! Yeah, that's our brand! That's right!

Yeah, but so that's like our clothing line, and that's our flag! Like Sam Patel would say, Full Send! Question! You see that flag right there? The American one? That's our—that's our merch!

Okay! What context does he say Full Send? It's kind of like when you're going hardcore! Yeah, exactly! Full Send! Yeah, yeah!

We came up with that, and that's our brand! All right, so that was like when we saw that! I think that's SpaceX Hawthorne! I think that was—that was Starbase, South Texas!

Oh, that was South Texas? Okay, okay! I thought it was Hawthorne! We got a trademark too! And like, okay, even the rocket category too!

Okay, I'll have to give you a sense! They'll give us a free podcast appearance! So are the Starship launches—those are directly with the Starlink or no?

Yeah, those are sending the satellites up into orbit! So the Falcon 9 rocket that we launch right now is what is able to launch the Starlink version one satellites or technically around version 1.5 going to version 1.6!

And there are still pretty big satellites! Before they unfold, they're like the size of a sort of a small compact car! And with installing two satellites, they're like, you know, way bigger than a pickup truck!

They're like sort of seven meters long! So the Starlink 2 satellites are too big to be launched by Falcon! They have to be launched by Starship!

How often are the Starship launches? We've not done any orbital Starship launches, but we hope to start to—we hope to attempt an orbital launch in a month or two! Nice!

So it depends on how the testing goes! Got it! You guys know what the Starlink is from that? Yeah! I feel like it's not talked about enough!

I agree! Starlink should be taught! So Starlink is a space-based internet! So we've got a constellation of satellites! We've got now well over two thousand satellites!

We'll soon have about four thousand satellites! So we have more satellites in operation than the rest of Earth combined! Really? Yeah! Than any other single company! Then—and then the rest of Earth!

Oh my god! Yeah! And this download speed is crazy on it! It's not like—is it available like now or there's a long wait list, right?

Yeah, Starlink is available now at starlink.com! But I thought it was a long wait list! There's a wait list if you're in like a high-density area!

Okay, so, um, the Starlink is really best suited if you're in like the sort of countryside or it's kind of like low population areas! It's like you could be perfect though!

Yeah, for places that don't have internet! Rural America! Yeah, basically rural America! Um, and like relatively sparsely populated areas!

But the—the way the solid wait list is just if you're in an area that's where there's already too many Starlink terminals, and we don't want to saturate that area because that'll reduce people's internet speeds!

So in order to be able to service more people in that area, we need to launch more satellites! So we launched more satellites almost every week! So we're aiming the next 12 months probably do 60, 70 launches! Maybe more!

Wow! You've been supplying for Ukraine! You've been helping the internet there, right? Um, yes! It's been successful! Yes!

Were you hesitant at all from any negative backlash from Russia? Well, I should probably not visit Russia! You tweeted something about that! Why not? You know what I mean? It's probably unwise!

You know, I mean, look what they did with the basketball player! Yeah, I know! Just for a vape! Yeah!

Did you see what Trump said recently about her? Uh, no, but I was like, man, if, um, you know, if the president's working so hard to sort of free someone who's in jail in Russia for some weed, then should we free people in America?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely! There are people in jail in America for the same [ __ ]! For the same stuff! Shouldn't we free them too?

It's something that's legal in so many states right now as well! It's not—I mean, I think it's like for—it's not—I mean, my opinion is that people should not be in jail for non-violent drug crimes!

I agree with that! Yeah, we were just talking about that too! Remember when you smoked weed on Joe Rogan? Did you get like a lot of backlash for that?

I did get a lot of backlash because it's like still federally illegal! Yeah, so, um, no, it was pretty nutty actually! I had to—well, because, you know, I had to have like random drug tests and stuff after that to prove that I'm not like a drug addict!

Really? Yeah! By who though? Who gives you the rent? Even the federal government! Like, like because SpaceX has federal government contracts!

So, okay! Um, and it's still illegal federally! So like the SpaceX, you know, competitors were like, "Hey, look at you! Why are you doing anything?" You know, look at him smoking! Just like brazenly smoking weed on—

Yeah, even for weed! Yeah! The drug checks me for everything randomly! I'm happy that it is! I couldn't like you! It wasn't like, you know, pick a day!

Because, you know, so there was like like a whole year of random drug tests! Did you just make that decision on the spot or did you like—no, like you must have known you were gonna get some backlash, right?

I think I don't think I'd get that much backlash! You know, it's sort of like I thought everyone thought it was cool as [ __ ]! Like that if you follow Elon on Twitter!

Yeah, I mean the consequences for me and for SpaceX were actually not good! Because it's because it's federally illegal, and SpaceX has federal contracts!

And then, you know, so unfortunately, it wasn't just me, but the whole company—the all of SpaceX had to have random drugs! Oh my god, bro! It's hilarious!

So I'm like, "I'm sorry, guys! Sorry! I didn't realize it would be this big of a deal!" Some people must have been sweating! That's so funny! Just over one joint!

Like did you have to like walk into a boardroom and everyone's just grilling you and you're like, "Yeah!" Um, yeah, no, it was like, uh, you know, I think to bear in mind, like, you know, some people are still pretty uptight about these things!

I know! Um, like just older people! Right? Yeah, pretty much! I didn't even look like you puffed on it! Sorry! It didn't even look like you were—not even! I'm like not even! I don't even know how to smoke a joint!

Obviously, just look at me! I'm like have no joint smoking skills! Yeah, yeah! Um, well, that's what you acted like on camera! No, I mean seriously!

I mean, I just, you know, um, you know, I find weed is like not that good for productivity! So I'm like, you know, I'm not gonna—as I do actually have to make the rockets work and the cars work and make the factories work and stuff!

So, um, but, uh, yeah, I think like the, you know, I think what we're seeing over time is that, you know, as younger people are elected to office, then they're more, um, you know, less uptight about, uh, sort of, uh, drugs and stuff, you know?

And, um, you've seen like one state after another kind of like legalize marijuana! Some states, I think, uh, mushrooms are legalized! And so, so it's like, um, it seems like mushrooms is next!

They're decriminalizing starting in there! Same processes marijuana! Cali did recently! I think Colorado, Washington! Yeah, Washington, I think!

Yeah, it's like nobody's committing crimes on Russia! No, yeah! Are you in support of psychedelics? Yeah, you are!

I think some of the psychedelics can be pretty helpful for like, um, PTSD and like, yeah, like serious like, uh, psychological trauma and depression!

And, um, I'd say like my personal opinion is like psychedelics are like way better for treating depression than a lot of like the SSRIs and stuff that are given out! Absolutely!

Yeah, I mean like a lot of those sort of anti-depression drugs just turn you to a zombie! They come from the ground too, right? Which mushrooms?

Yeah, yeah! Well, I'm saying like—I'm saying like what—well, they're not—they're not in orbit, you know? No, but I'm saying pills are—pills are coming from a lab! So it's like, yeah, yeah!

No, I mean, I mean, I think it's not necessarily that if something is like—something being natural or synthetic doesn't necessarily mean it's good or bad!

Because you can say like, like arsenic is natural! It's like an element on the periodic table! Um, so cyanide, you know, but this—you don't want to have either of those two things, right?

Um, so, but they're totally natural! Um, and in fact, there are mushrooms that will—that are poisonous and achilles! Yeah! So it's not like all mushrooms are good!

I always thought like back in the old days, you know, when they're trying to figure out which is the good mushroom! Yeah! They're like, "Yeah, what summer poison? Why don't you try that mushroom?"

Everybody like stands back! See what happens! Okay, that one's tasty! That one like makes you see visions, and this one kills you! Okay, but just make sure which is which!

You know, she's gonna have a guy designated tester! Yeah, just one of your boys like, "Yo dude, you go first!"

Yeah, totally! So it like there's so many different types of mushrooms, you know? And so, um, and most mushrooms are just—you can just eat them and they're fine!

And then some mushrooms are, you know, psychedelic and some kill you! Yeah! With that joint, with that joint like incident too, just doing something so cool and normal!

Like how do you like, as successful and famous as you are, how do you like stay normal and doing stuff like that? Like, I mean, I don't know!

Um, I think like most people in like the corporate world are really trying to conform to, uh, some sort of, you know, behavioral thing that's like makes them seem like a—I don't know, like an android or drone or something, you know?

It's like—or like some NPC in a video game with like a limited dialogue tree, you know? Yeah! And you're like [Laughter] what'd you say? NPC?

Like an NPC, you know, in like a video game where like it was with a dialogue tree that's like really only has like six options or something!

Um, that seems like most corporate CEOs behave like that! I'm like, "Are you even real? How do we know you're not an NPC?" You know?

Um, so I don't know! I mean, it's cool! I didn't expect—I mean, I feel like CEO of like all like these big companies and stuff! So it just sort of happened that way!

I think compared to all the other CEOs, you're the most down-to-earth guy! Yeah, that's what I was trying to say! Like, yeah, it's cool!

Like ironically for space, and you're a funny ass dude, right? Yeah, yeah! How come? Oh yeah, this is a spy chip! Your Twitter feed is on a different level funny!

Like it seems as if—you know, it seems as if you don't really—I mean, I strive to keep the people entertained, bro!

Do people give you a hard time or am I keeping with the people? You know, you're crushing! Like going back and forth with like people on Twitter without like no lawyers or anything like that!

Like, man, I have to say I've gotten into trouble so many times on Twitter! It's insane how often! Wait, wait! I want to know how you're getting away with everything you say!

Some things like give a team that approves it, or do you just fire it? Like literally, I'm the only one who's ever tweeted or who's—I'm the only one who's ever had access to that Twitter account!

Do you have some go-to people that you like run [ __ ] by though? Like, "Yo, should I—like do you think everyone else is like okay?"

Also, like show this to a friend! Like, "Yo, is this too crazy to tweet or what?" Have you done like—yes, and I don't know! I'll save it and think about it maybe!

But I don't know! You know, but I've gotten like into legal trouble—legal trouble with tweets, you know? Really? Anything you could say or no?

Well, no, I mean some of it's like public, you know? Um, so, um, you've gotten into some battles though! Um, yeah, yeah!

I know, but like when I said I was like taking Tesla private at 420! That's hilarious! Don't have a sense of humor! It turns out!

Um, anyway, I wonder like with all this [Laughter] Elon's birthday is 69 days after 420! Yeah! Can you even believe that?

Yeah, bro! That's the funniest thing to me! How is my birthday for 69 days at 420? That's insane! That's why like we must be living in a simulation or something! This is too crazy!

Yeah, that's the funniest thing to me! Easy to remember! We to get through something! Yeah!

Yeah, June 28th! Nice! Yeah, 6—6-28, which is also a tower day, which is two pi! What did you do on your birthday?

I think just had dinner with friends! Nothing special! There's nothing special this year! And like, um, actually, I really had a like a real party for a few years!

So I used to have like really big birthday parties! That's what I'm saying! You could be like Gatsby, bro! I actually literally had a Gatsby party at one point!

Where is that? Where? At my house in the Bay Area! Which I know! I'll go on! Can you tell us about—because we weren't invited!

I don't know if you were! You weren't! I no, I wasn't! I think Post Malone was! Post told me once you went to like one of your parties!

Uh, I don't know! What was that? He changed my—the house! Oh, my old house in L.A.! Yeah! But he said it was a theme party too, I think, right?

Or it was a medieval theme! It was something! He was telling me something! Come to a party! We had him on here like three weeks ago!

Okay, yeah! He's cool! Um, he's fine! What's the Elon Musk house party look like?

Well, the—my parties generally are very high production value! So, um, like I said, I haven't held a party in several years!

So it's, you know, um, with COVID, it's like a bunch of my friends, you know, couldn't—whatever! Like a lot of my friends live in other countries, and they couldn't come to the U.S.!

So sure! Um, yeah! So I haven't really like held a big party for maybe three years or so! But I guess we'll probably be in about, uh, four or five years ago!

Um, had a sort of a kind of a Gatsby party at this house at the Bay Area, which is, um, like you can see it online because I sold it!

And people like, you know, they docked the house and whatever! They—so you can see pictures of it! Um, but it's like—it really is like very much like a haunted mansion situation!

Yeah! Um, it's like it's possibly the creepiest—in fact, it is the creepiest house I've ever lived in! Really? Yeah!

Why not though? Why? Um, I—and I had two parties! I won Gatsby party and one sort of Castlevania party! You gotta tell us! Like performers? Anybody?

Yeah, yeah! Performers and stuff! Like, um, Stones? Uh, no, no! It's like I don't have like a like a famous band or anything! It's just high production value!

Sort of set design! Oh, it's nice! Um, that's important! Theme parties, bro! Yeah! Just for in terms of the sort of, um, the set—the production value, set design of the party!

Um, and the, uh, there are performers! They're just not like, uh, celebrity performers! You know, singers and dancers! How many people do you think go?

I mean, they have like, uh, not super big! Like 100 or so people! Cops called her? No! Yeah, actually! What about the ratio with like women and guys?

So, so this—that party was in Hillsborough! Oh, yeah! In the Bay Area! Yeah! Where like everyone goes to bed at 10 PM!

Um, and so like the cops got called like four times! You greet him or somebody talks to him? There's somebody talk to them!

But like at first, they couldn't find the house, you know? Because the house has like a weirdly long driveway! Like for so long that like if you take an Uber there, like they're convinced it's like they're just going into the woods or something!

So it took a while for the police to actually even find the house! But then like the whole neighborhood was calling the cops basically! That's insane!

That literally came four times! And then finally we had to like to turn the music off! You know what was so creepy about the house? Like it was like haunted or something!

Do you believe in ghosts? I mean, I—I don't believe in ghosts! But sometimes it feels like they're a ghost or something, you know?

How so? Uh, look in the house! Yeah, that's creepy! Late at night! Unless you know if you're like a weird house and there's sort of strange sounds happening!

And, um, you know, doors opening for no apparent reason! And, um, it's creepy! So you're in your opinion like scientifically ghosts like doesn't make sense for them to exist?

I've seen no actual evidence for ghosts! Uh, but that doesn't mean you can't get creeped out late at night! Yeah! So, uh, but this house was—this is it!

Like I said, this—and I had that house for many years! And I tried to de-creep it as much as possible! But even after a lot of de-creeping, just like—

How do you de-creep? Sage? You're like creepy stuff? I guess like what? Paintings? Well, furniture! Yeah! Yeah! For like weird pants, furniture!

And there were these, um, these animal figurines! Like, yeah, get those out of there! Yeah, that's creepy as hell! Just feel like they didn't come alive at night!

Yeah, you sleep with the light on? No, I do! No, I used to! When I was a kid, I used to be like, uh, scared of the dogs' bathroom! Like those lights!

Yeah! Bathroom lights! Yeah! Somewhere you could see like if someone's coming in or anything like that! Yeah, yeah!

Um, I mean, it had this like narrow stairway down into the basement that was painted red! I just felt like it like the place was a bit like The Shining!

Yeah, it's a Shining vibe! Yeah! Sounds like a total Shining! Sounds like I'm not staying there! But anyway, grateful parties! Like if you have 100 people there!

Yeah, it's just creepy if you're there by yourself! Yeah! So main home now is Austin or Texas? State of Texas?

Main residence? I actually don't really have a main residence! Same as us! It's kind of like us! Just always moving around!

But what's that with a Boxable rumor that you actually have a Boxable? Yeah, you do! Some prototype Boxable that's down in South Texas!

Yeah, well, that's pretty cool! They reached out to us! They wanted to make a Happy Dad bar Boxable! Okay! And, um, yeah!

And I didn't know much about it, and I started looking into it more, and there was like pictures of you with the Boxable! Not in one, but like the Elon Musk had!

And I wasn't sure if it was a rumor or—yeah, you know! But I don't have a Boxable! Um, but the my main—my—the house my main house, if I have a main house, is there's one in South Texas in Boca Chica Village!

Um, on Weem Street! And, uh, it's called Williams! But I want—I'm petitioning to change the street name to Memes!

No, wait! What's up? No, I mean if you get enough people on the street to say yes, you can change the street!

Well, if they know you're doing that or Elon Musk makes a call! Yeah! So what do you think of the Boxable?

Yeah, it seems seems good! Um, aren't they like 50 grand? I think so! Um, I don't actually stay in the Boxable!

It's like so I have like the house that I bought actually cost less than it's in Boxable! Because like 45k or something! But I've done a lot with the place, you know?

So you bought a house for 45k? Yeah! What is it like? Big or is it—no, it's small! Is it very small? It's a tiny house! It's a great value! 45k!

Yeah, no, it's a tiny—it's a small, small house! Um, why do you do that? People have pictures of it and stuff! It's like, um, because it was right next to the rocket factory!

Oh, got it! So I can just literally walk to the rocket factory! It's like half a mile away! You got a kitchen, living room, bedroom?

It's a one-bedroom, right? Uh, technically, it's technically a three-bedroom! But it used to be a two-bedroom! But the—I converted the garage into a third bedroom!

So crazy! Yeah, it's like it's like a—a friends might come and stay in there! Like I can't believe I'm staying in this house!

Yeah! Do you like living like that? If I'm there by myself, but yeah, it's fine! You know? Or just with a little axe or something, you know?

Yeah! So, um, the family and I—I actually—I use the Boxable as my guest house! Oh, nice! That's what I'm using for!

If a friend comes to stay or something, and, um, then they can stay in the Boxable if they want! Nice!

That should be like the Full Send hotboxing for all the employees! The Boxable! We should do it though! They're cool!

They're all the employees that safe will send! Just I think they're around like 50 grand! So yeah, they're 15!

Well, they offered—they want to partner with us! They said when we come to Vegas, they want us to give us a tour of the factory and everything!

I think it's cool! Is there enough room to like party in there? No, I think it would be—we could just have one for that anyways!

But I have like an outdoor area by that by back of the house where you can party! More or less like there's like a little barbecue pit and stuff!

Nice! So if I—I actually did have my—I had a small birthday party there last year, which is was just some friends invited down to Starbase to hang out!

Um, and, um, yeah, that was fun! Yeah! So, yeah! But, uh, yeah, these days I'm basically just trying to get Starship to orbit, which is pretty tough!

It's a very complicated rocket! It's, uh, it's one double the thrust of Saturn V! About twice the weight!

So, um, Saturn V's biggest rocket ever to get to orbit! It's what sent people to the moon! Um, back in the day!

So making a rocket that's twice as big as the next biggest rocket that's ever reached orbit is challenging! Um, that's why I say like we'll get to orbit maybe between 1 and 12 months from now!

But there definitely could be some, um, you know, explosions along the way! Like it's not just going to work right away!

I mean, when the Soviet Union was competing with the United States to get to the moon, they were trying to develop a rocket called the N1, which was similar in size to the Saturn V!

Actually had more thrust than Saturn V! And they had had four launches, and all four failed! Uh, so we don't wanna end up in that boat!

Yeah! Is that like a lot of pressure? Like there's so much pressure on you! Like are you like [ __ ] if this like blows up? Like I look bad under pressure!

Is that all you think about like on a day-to-day basis? [Laughter] Can you perform under pressure? I'm living pressure! That's rookie [ __ ] for you!

Yeah! Expectations are so high! No, but I can try! Bohemian Rhapsody! Love Queen! Oh yeah! Oh, I said yes! Freddie Mercury!

How long is the production on the rocket from start to end? Uh, well, right now it takes a long time! Um, this is a very big—this is the largest flying object ever made!

So, you know, um, we're aiming for a production rate of one a month! But right now we're at a production rate probably one every four or five months!

And how expensive is it just for one rocket? One launch? All that? I don't know! It's at least 50 million dollars! Marginal cost of launch? Maybe 100 million!

Um, so every explosion, it's like how pissed are you? Boom! That was 100 million dollars! [ __ ]! That's gambling! Yeah! Put the chips on!

Um, but anyway, if we don't—if we don't have a rocket like that, then we—humanity can't be a space-faring civilization and a multi-planet species!

Like right, if we want to go out there and, um, you know, and make sci-fi real, you know, and be on other planets and go back to the moon, then we need big rockets!

Why do you think we haven't been back to the moon? Well, I think another way of thinking about it is that the—the fact that we were able to go to the moon in '69 was such an anomalous situation!

It was like reaching into the future and bringing the technology forward that normally wouldn't be there! Like that was not the natural pace of technology development!

It's just that the United States just collectively decided that this has got to be done! You know, we kind of got it—got to beat the Soviets!

You know, so I don't want to sound like—have we not been back since then? Or have we? There were a few trips to the moon! There wasn't just one!

Okay! Um, landings! Like actually landed on the moon! Okay! I think the last landing was maybe '72! Wow!

That sounds weird that we'd be so much more advanced now and we haven't gone back! I agree! It's totally weird!

Well, do you have just no interest in the moon at all? Like no, we'll go to the moon! We are—we have SpaceX has an asset contract to take astronauts to the moon!

So NASA did choose SpaceX to return astronauts to the moon, and we intend to do that! Would be like the mission?

Well, I mean, Starship is the objective! It's gigantic compared to anything that's like ever been done before! So this is not like a tiny little thing lands on the moon!

This is like a giant-ass spaceship lands on the moon! Um, you know, it's capable of putting 100 tons of failure on the moon!

So a lot! You could build a moon base for Starship! Um, so we can go way beyond what was done with the Apollo program!

Whether it's had a small lander that, you know, and they sort of were on the surface of the moon for, I don't know, maybe some number of hours and then they got back in and took off!

Um, so the Apollo program is not capable of building a moon base, but the Starship system is capable of building a base!

I mean, it's—it's designed to be capable of building a city on the moon or Mars! That's also—that's what the system is designed to be able to do!

So that's insane! Why is the goal right now to get to Mars before the moon? No, we'll probably get to the moon first!

Okay! Oh really? Yeah! But not built—would we build a city on it or not on the moon?

I mean, I think we should build a city on the moon and on Mars! Yeah! It's weird! It's way closer than what Mars is like nutty farts!

It's more convenient! Why do you want to colonize Mars? I think, uh, I think it's important for—I think there's two reasons!

One is kind of a defensive reason that like if something bad would happen to Earth, then, um, you know, it could be like a meteor!

Like whatever destroyed the dinosaurs! Super volcanoes! Uh, could be World War III! Like we could just like nuke each other to death or something!

Like I don't know! World War III is like seeming a little more probable these days! Um, that might be the leading factor! It might be the leading factor!

So, um, you know, so there could be either some natural disaster or some—or something where humanity just like suicides itself with it with a World War III situation!

And then it would be, you know, good to have a second planet where—so that like, you know, civilization isn't wiped out!

So that's the kind of defensive reason! It's like life insurance for life collectively! And so, you know, not just for humans, but all like the creatures that we love!

So, um, that's like the defense! You're gonna pull like a Noah's Ark vibe and bring like animals too?

Yeah, yeah! I mean, sure! Absolutely! Oh wow! What do you think Mars is gonna look like?

Well, long term, we could make it look like Earth! Or we have to warm it up! But there's a lot of, um, it's a lot of ice on Mars! This looks cold!

So like you just have to warm it up to have liquid water! Um, but Mars has a—Mars would have, um, an ocean of I think about a roughly maybe a mile deep on 40% of the planet, roughly!

Wow! Yeah! So if you've watched warming up, so that's a lot of water! All ice right now! Precise 40% of the planet! That [ __ ] is crazy!

Just is ice! In fact, a lot of the ice that you see on Mars at the poles is actually dry ice! It's a CO2 frozen CO2!

I've always been into aliens, and I remember it was like when I was a kid when they first found like ice on Mars that that sparked like all the alien rumors on Mars!

There might be life! There's this massive amounts of isobars! Like no little—it's a crazy amount! Well, how would you warm it up then?

Well, you could use like solar reflectors, or you could just create artificial suns with a series of like thermonuclear explosions!

Like this—the sun is like a—a giant—you'd create a sun? Thermonuclear reactor! It's—it's a—like if you want to—if you're worried about like, "Well, will that generate like dangerous radiation?"

We'll have you stood in front of the sun! If you, you know, just go out in the sun! Sure! The sun is, uh, it's a through a nuclear reactor!

So that's what you think? So obviously we can stand in front of the sun and not die! It must be nerve-wracking though because it's like all tests!

Yes! So yes, you could create like a permanent like sun like by Mars! No, you'd have to do it! Would it just be like a heat wave and then it's kind of gone and it melts all the ice?

Uh, yeah! You'd have to do kind of like a series of, um, like if—like if you've like launched a like a missile every, I don't know, 10 seconds!

And then, you know, this is like fireworks, but real big! Okay, okay! Thermonuclear fireworks! Okay!

Um, but you can't have us—you couldn't have a sustained reaction! Uh, because, um, the sun is a gravitationally contained thermonuclear reactor!

So you need a lot of gravity! Um, the sun is well over 90%—well over 99% of all the mass of the solar system!

Oh, so it's big! It's very big! What are those? So fascinating! Yeah! What are the first steps? Like what do you start with to start civilization on Mars?

What's the first thing you gotta do? I think first thing you gotta do is is build a a base! And then that base would have like the like essentials of like food production!

Uh, water! Like which is, you know, like have ice mining droids! They were like go mine ice and then melt it and purify the water!

Um, and then you need a propellant—a kind of a propellant factory or propellant plant! So Mars's atmosphere is primarily CO2!

Um, and if you—and then if you take water, which is H2O, uh, and, uh, you can turn CO2 and H2O into CH4 and O2, which is methane and oxygen!

So you—that's why Starship uses methane as a fuel! It's—it's mostly oxygen! So it's like 78% oxygen, the propellant, and 22% fuel!

So in, you know, in space, in a vacuum, you have—there's no oxygen to burn! So you've got to bring out oxygen, and you mostly bring oxygen!

So, uh, you'd be, uh, you need a propellant plant to create the liquid oxygen, liquid methane! Um, and food and water and the basics, essentially!

That'll be the thing to start off with! Um, and, um, you'd be living in kind of like glass domes and posh the underground and stuff!

So it'll be hard living in the beginning on Mars! Like not like a luxury situation! So who are the first people that go live there?

I don't know! Pioneers! Um, but I would say the—you know, any—for the first people that go to Mars, it's like it's gonna be like dangerous!

Like you might die! Uh, food probably not good! Um, you know, it's gonna be a long and difficult trip! It's—it's probably like a lot of pain and danger!

That's—that's what do you think about the population? On the other hand, it's going to be glorious adventure! So it sounds like there's got to be something!

But I bet you there's still a [ __ ] long list, right? People that want—I think once maybe there's threats to Earth, then the list gets huge, right?

There's probably a huge list already! Yeah, maybe! I mean, I think there's like there's people like climb Mount Everest and stuff!

So, you know, or like thrill sale! Yeah! Sale is cross-specific by themselves, you know?

Um, so, so there's—I think there's—then there's like you got eight billion people on Earth! So you don't only need a small number to want to do it!

How much—I'm just saying it's like the beginning! It's going to be like dangerous, difficult, and, and, uh, you know, um, like not—not like a—it’s not like a luxury resort!

It can be dangerous and difficult and a lot of work, basically! But, you know, over time, you can make it awesome!

All right, so you're going on the list! I wouldn't do Mars! I would do space! No chance! I wouldn't do Mars!

Chance you would go into space, bro! Yeah! Yeah, I would! No, I would trust Elon! What do you mean? So you would go into space and just chill and then come back?

Yes, I would do it! I wouldn't do Mars because that's like a commitment! That's like your whole life! Like, but I would do space!

I don't know about that! How do you—how do you—how are you going to filter like the water if you're going to heat up like Mars and stuff like that?

Well, filtering water is actually not—it's not super hard! You know, you can always just like evaporate it and or use various like carbon filters and stuff!

It's—it you can purify water as a well-understood process! Um, so, um, so you just basically go—you have to go mine some dusty ice and then melt it and send it through a bunch of water purifiers and you could drink it!

Yeah, that's crazy! What do you expect the population to be in Mars? Like I know you said that—I mean, I hope it's a big population at some point!

What's the number? I know you're a numbers guy! You have to be! Well, I—I think there's a critical threshold!

Is how many people—how many people I needed on Mars for Mars to be self-sustaining such that if the spaceships from Earth ever stopped coming, the people that it wouldn't die out!

You know, so the other thing about it, there's like if we live on Earth here, but we live at the top of like a vast permit of industry!

You know, where there's always like mining of all these like elements, and then there's many, many steps of refining, and then—and these are gradually turned into a product!

Uh, but there's a massive base of industry that would need to be recreated on Mars! And if you're missing any any element of that, then, um, then if the shifts from Earth stopped coming, it would die out!

You'd be like if you had everything except vitamin C! Um, then yeah, you'll be okay for a while, but then you're gonna eventually die!

Oh yeah! So you got it—there just can't be any any like missing critical missing ingredient! So then it's like, "Okay, well, how many people are needed to ensure there's no missing ingredient?"

I don't know! Maybe a million people, I'm guessing! Um, I was not more than that! Um, it's probably not much less than that!

And then you probably need millions of tons of cargo delivered to Mars! So it's a lot! Um, I feel like better! But you can say like—like there's this thing called like the great filters or which is, um, you know, sort of coming from the Fermi paradox!

Very paradox is is just where are the aliens? If the if the universe is really 13.8 billion years old, shouldn't there be aliens everywhere?

Um, and if not, why not? Um, I think it was Carl Sagan who said that there appear to be either like if there's either there's either a lot of aliens or no aliens!

And that—and either one is equally terrifying! Meaning if there are no aliens, then what we have here is very rare!

And then odds are no aliens is more terrifying! More terrifying! I think it's more likely though, right? If the universe is 13.8 billion years old!

Well, this is like—this is why it's called this! Like this is like a great physicist Enrico Fermi who posed the question of where are the aliens!

Now a lot of people ask me like what about the islands? Have you seen any evidence of aliens? I've seen no evidence! No hard evidence!

What about these Pentagon videos? Um, like a little, but no! But there are these videos that the Pentagon released during COVID, of course!

But you know, like what were like—well, they didn't—they just say that there was UFOs! Like that doesn't necessarily mean that the UFOs—so like, I mean, there's like advanced programs that the military has which are classified!

And they wouldn't—so, you know, if they had like some really fast missile or something, they would even if somebody else in the military saw that, then they would still not tell them what it was because it's classified!

Sure! Wait, didn't they release something? Like to the best of my knowledge, I have not seen any evidence of aliens!

And I think I know why! Do you think I think there's a narrative out there that our first interaction with aliens would be violent? Do you think that's the case?

Well, if so, I think we're in trouble! Because if they were able to get here and we couldn't get there, then probably they've got much better technology than—well, we're done!

Yeah, we're told! We're at the university! This is so interesting! It does not seem like it's always like going to be violent! One and two, they're more advanced than us!

But why can't we—they're going to be way more advanced! Not a little bit more advanced! Oh, why is that? So we'll be—I would just be totally at their mercy!

Because if they've got spaceships that can get from other star systems to here, yeah, we don't have anything like that, right? That's true!

So wasn't there probably got some badass space lasers and [ __ ]? Yeah, like who knows? Why do you think we have something crazy? Anti-matter weapons?

Like basically we're hopeless! Like we would just be like children or something, you know? Maybe we have some Area 51 though! No, some lasers locked in there!

Have you been there? Um, but you know, there are—you've been Area 51! There are actually lots of areas, by the way!

Oh, I think SpaceX technically leases Area 59 or something like that! So they're numbered! I think SpaceX needs to create some [ __ ] lasers!

If so, wait, is there better—we do have space lasers! Oh really? Yeah! Elon, is there better areas than the 51? Of course!

What do you think? Please! I don't have one! I need one! How am I going to protect myself if the invasion happens?

Yeah, let's call Elon! Oh yeah, he'll answer! We do have a lot of space lasers! We use them to communicate between the satellites!

So, uh, those just—there should be lasers should be fully operational around the end of this year! So were those just rumors or or fake news about Eisenhower having meetings with the aliens?

And like I don't know what year! Yeah, I—I do not have meetings with aliens! In fact, I—I think it was may have been him or—or there was some, uh, like Pentagon general who who said because people kept on bugging him about aliens and stuff!

And he said, "Listen, if we had any evidence of aliens, if I had an alien, I would drag an alien body or something! I'd show you the alien body!"

Because you know what? If I show you that alien body, we'd get our budget approved instantly! Yeah! He's like, "Watch out, aliens! We need more money!"

Yeah, it's like if there was like some scary alien stuff, that would be the fastest way to get the biggest possible! Why can't we solve your friends?

Yeah, but what do you think we'd react pretty like? People go crazy! Like a human population would go crazy! Would they?

I mean, I feel like—I don't know! I feel like aliens—the general population believes in aliens! I think like 20 years ago, everyone's like, "No!"

But now it's like if you ask anyone, they're like, "Yeah, I believe in aliens!" Yeah, because I met one! No, but I think everyone just like believes there's aliens because of movies probably!

Yeah, of course! No, but I saw that on Joe's podcast too! It's interesting how in like movies and like since the beginning of time or beginning of entertainment, they've always been like pushing on us like aliens, aliens, aliens!

Like movies like Independence Day! Yeah! Just everything! There's life outside like Earth! That's the other thing! Like why is Area 51 so secretive then?

I don't think it is actually all that secretive! Um, probably! Yeah! It just—it just like answered the mythos of—and I don't know! People got carried away!

Um, that's—I don't think there's anything sort of super interesting in Area 51! Um, like there are more advanced weapons that the US has that people don't know about!

But they're not like crazy alien weapons! So what's your gut feel on if they exist or not? Like your gut? Obviously, there's no hard evidence!

But I don't think there are aliens! At least in our sector of the galaxy! To your guts that they don't exist? Not in our sector of the galaxy!

So there might be aliens in like a far away portion of the galaxy! If by aliens, I think you mean like with spaceships that could potentially travel to here or something like that?

No, just in general! I guess someone alien you could talk to! Like or you don't mean like microbes? Because that'd be a boring alien!

Yeah, of course! Not like a tiny like kind of like just talking! Yeah! Like a microphone! Amiibo! Whatever!

Yeah! Sure! I guess aliens we could talk to! Yeah! So not microbes! Not like—yeah! Not like—okay!

We found a whatever! I mean, what's the first thing that would just ruin it? Like we found aliens and here they are! What's the first thing you would say if you're seeing it like face to face?

What's the first thing you'd say to an alien? Uh, welcome! I hope you come in peace! Come! Do you understand English? Or do I—does this—

Oh, just speaking gibberish here or what? Um, um, I'm saying if they can understand English, then they will have been observing us for a long time, you know?

But anyway, I don't think they're—like I said, I—I don't think they're aliens! I think the most—but you should view these things as like probabilities!

Generally, you should think of things as probabilities, not certainties! So I think there's probably not aliens! And I think that's kind of scary, actually!

Because then what it would suggest is that, um, consciousness, civilization as we know it is extremely rare! Um, and—and a very precious thing!

Where like our consciousness is like a small candle in a vast darkness, and we must not let that small candle go out! That's the theory!

I saw I was like they've always been kind of plugging aliens on us to make us think that we're just this little speck! But actually, it's like we're the only thing!

And it's like they kind of taught us that to not make us feel special and to not like appreciate human existence, you know?

But it's kind of interesting when you think about that! Like what if humans are the only thing? Yeah! They want us to make us feel like we're not! Feel small!

We wouldn't be smart enough! Yeah! Like you ain't [ __ ]! Yeah! It is! Well, I mean based on everything we know about history and archaeology and stuff, you know?

So Earth's about four and a half billion years old, and the first writing is only about 5,000 years old! That's basically practically yesterday!

So it's taking 4.5 billion years to get to this point! So the window of opportunity to make life multi-planetary and have a base on the moon or Mars is open for the

definitely don't hang out with their parents. I mean, no, I have dinner occasionally, you know. Yeah, I wonder what a day is like for like Elon Musk, like just a regular day, like day-to-day basis, like what you do, because I find that very interesting.

Yeah, like what time do you wake up? Yeah, what time do you wake up? When do you make your coffee? Maybe you drink coffee, maybe you don't. I do drink coffee.

Yeah, um, well, I tend to be like, uh, like fairly nocturnal, so I like go to sleep around, I don't know, 3 a.m., thereabouts. Wow. Um, and then I'll wake up around usually about six, six and a half hours later, so nine, nine thirty.

Um, and, um, I have a bad habit, which I suspect a lot of people do, of like immediately checking my phone for, right away. Yeah, right away. Yeah, it's a terrible habit, actually.

Um, just see like any emergencies happen overnight or no? Um, so I didn't want to text you too early this morning. I was like, I felt bad texting you. Yeah, I was like, all right, I'm gonna wait till after 12 at least.

Yeah, um, well, I got a lot going on running SpaceX and Tesla, and you know, so there's usually some kind of thing that's happened overnight.

Um, but I think I want to change that to, uh, like I got to work out and be in better shape, you know? So, um, we need you around. Oh, thanks. I actually don't really like working out, but, um, I gotta do it.

So I'm gonna switch from, you know, just immediately looking at my phone first thing, I'm more as soon as I wake up to, I don't know, it's working out for at least 20 minutes and then looking at my phone.

Have you ever tried pre-workout? Like what's the pre-workout? It's like the, like a powder, it's got caffeine in it, and like it's usually sometimes when I'm lazy like this, I just feel like, okay, you should just, you gotta get pre-workout, you get the quads going on, you leave it on your bed, leave it on your bedside counter.

Okay, and right when you wake up, just take a scoop. Okay, and then you'll be like so jittery that you can't go to bed, so you'll just, you'll have no choice but to go to the gym.

Where's it available? Feel like, okay, we have ours too. No, but the bedside pre is a key because you're so like, you can't do anything but go to the gym. You can't sit still, you're just going to go in like a little energy drink.

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Let's get back into the pod. Elon, I wonder with your influence, do you feel as if you have, I don't know how to say it, like do you feel like you have more influence than the government at times? Like do you feel like you can kind of in some way take over it?

I mean, if you were an American citizen, you would win presidency by a landslide. Yeah, you know that. You say the nicest things. No, but it's fact. But also, how many Twitter followers does Joe Biden have? Do we know?

I don't know, but you have a lot more than just checks. I'll check. I think he's got like 20 million. It's up his tweets a little bit, you know? Yeah, he needs her.

I wonder though, like when you're sitting at the house, do you ever feel like, man, I have way more influence than what the government has? Like, you know what I mean?

Um, well, it's pretty fair to say that I, I don't have a lot of influence. 34.8. Um, what? Yeah, well, you've got a bigger reach then because you almost, I think you have 100 million on Twitter, right?

Yeah, the president has 34 million. Yeah, so you're getting to more people than he is, which is pretty crazy to think about. It is crazy.

Yeah, I want to know, I want to know how do you feel about that? I was like, might be 90 bucks though. You buying followers or Elon? You said we can't go there, we're not going there.

No, what? I don't know this. I think that there's a fair number of bots. I've never bought followers or anything, but, um, but this will, I might, my account gets targeted a lot by scammers because, you know, um, like my account is by far the most interacted with account on, on Twitter.

So, um, so you know, since my account is the most interactive with account on the whole system, uh, that's kind of what scammers are going to target my account, you know?

So when you say scammers, wouldn't be like hacking into your account or, I know, just like people trying to impersonate, crypto scams and, oh yeah, yeah, that's right, that's all over.

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's all about the internet. I mean, everywhere. Yeah, yeah, crypto scams are, yeah, but there's like, you know, for scams of various kinds, uh, but crypto scams being number one, but there's, there's other scams too.

What about the coin, the Elon coin? Wasn't there an Elon coin that just blew up too? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, there's like everything coin.

Um, what do you think about it? Not really anymore though, that [ __ ] coin phase kind of, no, but it was actually this one like took off. I mean, it still trades well, I think. I haven't looked in a while, but yeah, well, I have nothing to do with it.

I bought a lot because I thought it was yours, but the man, what do you think of the crypto right now? The future, Bitcoin, Ethereum, the big ones? You love Doge?

Yeah, I mean, I'm mainly supporting Doge, frankly, um, because I think Doge is like the, has the memes and dogs and, and it seems like has a sense of humor and doesn't take itself too seriously.

But what's the potential with it? Um, why do you think? Actually, weirdly, even though Doge was just designed to be like this ridiculous joke currency, um, the actual total transactional throughput capability of Doge is, uh, much higher than Bitcoin.

Um, and the fact that there's five billion dollars created every year, um, is, is actually, I think good for using it as a transactional currency.

Um, because it, where is it used as a transactional currency? When you buy like Tesla merch and SpaceX merch with Doge. Oh, nice.

And, and you can also pay for boring company rides in Vegas. You pay for what? Like boring company has, uh, tunnels under Vegas. What?

Yeah, I know boring company with the flamethrower, but I didn't know they had underground tunnels like that. That's molly was see what it does. So what, you save time with traffic?

Yeah, the flamethrower was smart to get stuck on the strip and traffic and they're live available to use right now. Yeah, just opened the one from like resorts world. So there's tunnels under vacation. You gotta rip that.

Yeah, yeah, well, Tesla's only, right? All right, yeah, it's like Tesla's gonna tunnel basically. Yeah, what the [ __ ]?

Yeah, so you can, but you own a Tesla with those? Yeah, one's a Tesla, Tesla. Yeah, I love your car, by the way.

Yeah, who's your biggest enemy right now? Yeah, who is your base? I don't know. Well, I, I, I did challenge Vladimir Putin to, uh, one-on-one, uh, you know, single combat.

What? Like I'm not sure he's my biggest enemy, but he, I did challenge him to this one. What does that mean? Single combat? MMA?

Yeah, oh really? We could help with that. Dana White, Dana White, Joe Rogan commentating the pay-per-view. I think it would be an interesting question because he's like good at martial arts.

You guys would have time to train [ __ ] too. He's pretty buff. I don't know. So you see those pictures of him on a horse and stuff? I mean, Putin, I don't, those Russians are tough, man.

Yeah, what's your skill set? I'm not doubting you, but like I'd be, I'd be trying to be like, I don't know, look at those arms. I, I do have a bit of a weight advantage, but what's your game plan in the octagon though?

Yeah, are you like a ground guy or like, I think you're a striker. You got to use your reach. You're a striker maybe, but what would your game plan be against Putin? Would you take him out?

He said like he has like one judo championship and stuff, so, oh, she's pretty, dude's pretty good. But I, I think I'm probably 50% higher than him, so, um, I could, um, you know, kick him in the nuts.

Just kick him? Yeah, I mean, if you've got a big weight advantage, um, that, that can overcome a lot of technique, you know?

Um, have you ever talked about like, I, I have a move called the walrus. The walrus? What's that? Which I use on a friend of mine who's actually like, like she's like very, very agile and whatnot.

But I was like, let me explain to you why there are weight classes in MMA. I'm going to use a move called the walrus where I just lie on you and you can't get away. You just like suffocate.

You said you try that on the walrus? You just, I'm, and you're stuck. I'm gonna try that on Steiny. Yeah, yeah, well that will win if you have size on him in a way.

I'm Elaine, you're Putin. Yeah, if you're happy advantage, just use them. Unless you and Gabriel have to try that. They're just kind of, you just lie on them and said that's the whole move.

You ever been, well, you see Joe Rogan saying that right now? He's got him in the walrus. You ever been in a fight? Like, yeah, what was the last fight you've been in?

Um, someone talking was a bar fight. Things were very violent, so I wasn't, I mean, I never, I never started a flight or anything, but I had a lot of fights I didn't want to be in.

Um, and I got beaten up really badly in a few of them actually, so, um, but, uh, so I've been in like real hardcore street fights. Really? What age?

Uh, I don't know, from when I was maybe six to 16-ish. Well, like people picking on you and [ __ ] or? Yeah, um, I grew up in South Africa. It's a very violent place.

So you think that's what motivated you to become what you are? I mean, maybe played a role, certainly toughen you up, that's for sure.

I mean, the people say like, um, you know, they're worried about words and stuff. People are worried about words. It's never been punched in the face.

I'd say you're punching the face real hard right on the nose, man. You'll take any words rather than that, you know?

Yeah, were you more quiet like back then? Six to sixteen? Yeah, I mean, I was, uh, I was bookish, you know? So I was like, uh, reading a lot of books and just, uh, kind of nerd basically at work, computers and books and stuff.

So, um, and, um, and I didn't, I didn't get big until I like, I was like a late bloomer from a size standpoint. So I was like small, relatively speaking.

It was like the youngest kid in the grade. I was like almost the smallest kid in the grade. So being small and, and having some, having violent bullies is a bad situation, you know?

I went through that too. Yeah, and once I got to when someone didn't bloom at all, he's 20 years though. Yeah, sort of, you know, got like a reasonably good size around age 15.

And, and then around age 16 is when they stop trying to beat me out because it didn't work out well for them. Then the walrus came out and knocked the guy out.

Damn. Oh wow. Yeah. Wow, Elon, do you watch like a lot of UFC? Yeah, it's actually not that if you want one hot punch in the face, you're not a guy with bare face, no problem, my guy.

Yeah, yeah, bam. You watch UFC? He said you watch a lot of UFC? Yeah, I wish you received from like, you know, the, I don't, I mean, I watched UFC occasionally these days.

I watched the early fights with Joyce Gracie, which was, oh, that show was crazy. Yeah, crazy. That was like, they didn't have any rules basically.

I mean, they had technically had some rules because, you know, you kind of like eye gouging, kneecaps or throat, you know, they have the same thing.

If you really want to take someone out, just [ __ ] punch them in the throat, you know, that this is a game over.

Um, Pokemon or knock their kneecap off. You still watch now? So I see the occasional ones, um, and, uh, I mean, there's a lot more, more, it's still, you know, interesting to watch, but there's a lot more technique and, yeah.

Um, but you know, these days they have like, like weight categories. Yeah, because if you have some, you know, 300 pound guy go against 100 pound guys, it's not going to be a contest.

We go to a lot of fights. We're good friends with Dana White, the, okay, yeah, so we, we love UFC. Yeah, and we're partners with one of the fighters, Sugar Sean O'Malley.

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's pretty well seeing these fights. I mean, it's a tough gig, you know? It is a tough gig. Yeah, some of the injuries are gnarly, you know, like I'll break a [ __ ] or something like that and just have a floppy leg or the long version for like brain effects too.

Like I have to say it's, it's, yeah, um, like I know a lot about brains actually and you, you really don't want to take a hard hit like a bunch of hard hits.

Like your brain's like kind of like jello. It's like jello in a coconut, like your skull is a hard coconut and, uh, and your brain is like a, it's like it basically has like the consistency of jello.

Um, really? So yeah, the thing that damages you is actually the brain hitting the sides, hitting the side of your skull because skull's real hard.

So this is actually technically something called the subarachnoid space, which is like the air, the area between your brain and, uh, and this goes crazy.

Yeah, so you got like a little bit of, I don't know, like, um, quarter inch or so of space between your skull and your brain.

Um, and, uh, and then, and then then you at some point, like a really hard, you know, hit is gonna, you're gonna lose some neurons, you know?

So the guys, the guys in the NFL, the CTE thing's real, huh? Yeah, yeah, I mean just any kind of heart, like a real fast jerk acceleration, um, is get your, your brain is going to get damaged up against your skull.

How bad it is? How bad is a concussion? Just one concussion? Hawaiian concussion is probably okay. One? Yeah, if it's not too crazy.

Um, repeated, repeated concussions or repeated injuries, like what's going to happen is you're going to lose, you're going to lose a certain number of neurons are going to die, you know?

So you smash, you smash your brain against your skull internally just due to fast acceleration, you're going to lose some number of neurons.

Now, if you keep doing that, you're going to lose enough neurons to make a difference. Your brain can handle a lot of neuron signs, but if you lose enough certain points, you're going to start losing mental capability.

What does that do to you? Oh, just you lose your ability to think. Uh, yeah, past some point you will, you'll have erosion of your ability to think or, you know, ability like you could have damaged the motor cortex in which case you could have like jitters or numbness or, um, so you lose memories, you know, you see that with a lot of NFL players.

I know it's like, what about, what about the neurolingual brain chip? Talk a little bit about that.

Yeah, so the neural brain chip can help with brain injuries. The, our, our initial goal is to help, uh, people who are like, uh, quadriplegics or tetraplegics, like basically, you know, can't, can't move anything, uh, to be able to operate their phone, uh, or computer faster than someone who's got working hands.

Um, that's like, that's the first thing we're trying to get done. And, and then we think it's actually possible to create like a neural shunt between, so if you've got like a neural link in your skull connected to your brain, your motor cortex, you put another neural link your spinal cord past where the, the nerves are broken.

And then it's just like, it's like a wire, like it's like, um, like a wireless bridge of, because the neurons are kind of like wires and if you got a bunch of broken wires, you can have a wireless bridge from your brain to, uh, where the neurons are still alive.

Either you could, you could have full body reanimation. I thought the neural link downloads information though too, right? Like can you learn, like, I don't know too much about it, but can you learn a whole language from a neural link chip?

I mean, down the road, I think probably yes. We're still like neural link version one, which is very basic.

Yeah, think of it like a very early cell phone, sure, versus current cell phones. Do you ever worry though that at some point that's just gonna make all humans like at the same ability? If everybody has a neural link, they will actually even out ability?

Yeah, I mean, but bear in mind, like you'll be able to see this coming. It's not going to happen like suddenly. So we haven't even had put one in, in one human yet.

So we're hoping to do that maybe end of this year, early next. In a real human? Yeah, yeah. Wow, holy [ __ ] man.

I mean, we already have, it's working in monkeys. Like we've got like a monkey that can play pong with a song. I've seen that. They can play what?

Like a monkey that, that can play pong like just by thinking, like just, it's not touching control or anything. It's like playing. So they made the monkey play ping-pong like with the mouse and then they stopped working the video, a video game.

Oh, okay. Yeah, video game. Wow. So that's the most, first of all, I think most people don't realize monkeys can play pong. So step one, monkeys can play pong.

Um, then, um, so you train the monkey to play pong and you know, you give it like basically it just has like a banana smoothie, uh, that can every time it, it, you know, hits the ball using the joystick, it gets a little simple on the banana smoothie.

Wow. Um, and, uh, so then, so you, so first you're trying to monkey paper and then then then you, uh, you activate the neural link and you basically see when the monkey's moving the joystick what neural signals do you or do you read out.

Um, and then, uh, see, so you can see when the monkey's moving the joystick up or down what you're getting a certain neural output from the neural neural link device.

Then, um, then you disconnect the joysticks. The monkey's still moving the joystick, but Joe Joyce is not connected anymore. That's crazy.

How long ago was that? That was like a year ago, I think. Is there gonna be a point where the neural link can teach a monkey how to speak English? That'd be so insane.

We're getting some planet out of the atrium. Yeah, I mean, let's make some genius monkey and it's gonna take over the world. Could you don't you want to do that?

Or like that, uh, Rick and Morty episode where they give the dog. I just thought I should rewatch some of those episodes. You seen Curb Your Enthusiasm?

Uh, yeah, a fan of that. Oh yeah, that's not bad. Um, Breaking Bad? Uh, Breaking Bad is great. Better Call Saul?

Uh, yeah, I watched a couple seasons. Yeah, I couldn't get into House of Cards that much. Um, Narcos? Uh, Viki, Vikings and, uh, oh yeah, Last Kingdom were pretty good.

Yeah, I haven't seen that. I heard that's good. Yeah, Vampire Diaries, I haven't seen that. Office, I've seen some episodes of The Office.

Do you like that dry humor stuff? I mean, I thought The Office is not bad. I, I didn't find it like a, like I was really dying to see more.

Um, Office Space? No, I haven't. Office Space is great. Space? Oh, of course, the movie. Yeah, yeah, great, great movie. Cute classic.

Yeah, you guys see that? Yeah, it's a class. Why do you like that though? It's just the driving, right? I think you're dry humans. It's very funny.

Try humor. It's a guy that works in nine to five. Look at Elon's Twitter, like dry humor. Yeah, it's funny.

Yeah, I know, it's really funny. Uh, I like, I like Mark Judge's humor in general. Yeah, I'm like Judge, great. Leave this in, but with the neural link, do you, what do you think?

Like, do you think there's anything ever, do you think that could go wrong with it? Like what if, what if it could ever go wrong? What if the government, no, I mean, what if the government got involved in like neural link?

Well, I think so, first of all, like I said, neural link's like not, it's going to take a long time to advance neural link technology. So it's not like it, it'll suddenly be able to do super advanced things.

It'll be like slowly, we'll, you know, get, you know, enable people who are like quadriplegics to be able to control their phone and their, you know, try to live a normal, you know, normal life as much as possible.

So you're gonna start with people that, yeah, very, like it's gonna be like, uh, because there's always some risk in the beginning, you know, because new technology.

So it's gotta be like the risk rewards gotta make sense. It's gonna be, you know, this, there's some risk. So there's rewards gotta be big.

Um, so like if you're quite quadriplegic, um, and but with the neural link, you can, you can operate a phone even faster than someone who's working thumbs, then that would be a huge life changer, you know?

So that the reward would be worth the risk. Um, and like I said, I think we, there's a way for us to actually take the motor signals from the motor cortex in the brain and have a secondary link that's past the point where the neurons are broken in your spine.

And then, and then transmit those signals so you can move your body again. Crazy. So you could make, I think you could enable people to walk again, which would be pretty, like that would be like next level.

Yeah, this was like they're never getting Jesus level stuff, you know? Seriously, is this all you're thinking about?

Uh, because you say you go to sleep at 3 a.m. is what you think about like late at night? Like I wonder what goes on? Yeah, sometimes.

Uh, most of my thinking, uh, is, uh, like, uh, is on SpaceX and Tesla. So that, that absorbs the vast majority of how do you say link is to me even like almost more interesting than space.

Like that is insane. It's so cool. I think it's kind of scary too, but it is very because how advanced can you make humans? And then it's like no one, there's no differentiator if like everybody can be the same level of intelligence.

We'd be superhuman at that point, right? We would be super. He'd have to answer to anything these days. Almost everyone can have the same cell phone, you know?

And like it's like, uh, so, you know, cell phones are a great leveler and the internet is a great leveler because like it used to be that information was very limited.

Like in order to get learn something, you'd have to go to a library and if you didn't have access to the library, then you couldn't have access to information.

But now anyone, you know, in the world with like 100 phone and like internet cafe can access all the information, you know, learn anything essentially.

So the internet is a great leveler for information and education. You can just learn anything online for basically for free.

Do you see Neuralink as like one day everyone will have one or would it only be for people that have like disabilities? No, I think so.

We're just starting off with, like I said, like long-term vision. Yeah, yeah. So we're starting off with things where it's like, um, because there's like some risk, you know, of, so we're like, we're not sure things will go right.

So there's got to be, there's some risk because new technology. So the reward has to be really high, like, you know, being able to use a phone versus not use a phone, you're having your, you know, be able to walk or not walk is a big, big reward.

So that's how we'll start off. And then, um, you know, I think there's like a bunch of things that, um, it could be addressed like extreme depression or like morbid obesity, like where people like die at age 35.

Like that's, we could like literally change the setting in your brain and, and to internal hunger, uh, which would be pretty, pretty, pretty cool.

Um, you know, if somebody's got like serious depression to the point where they're like suicidal, if you could fix, yeah, fine, sure, why not?

The benefits are huge or just getting out of cancer. Uh, we did, we have a banana flavor that we're sampling and we put our board ape on there.

Okay, do you just like trolling? Yeah, I love trolling. Yeah, trolling rocks. Yeah, so you know, I mean, that's dope if you can get like, you know, 100,000 likes like that on Twitter, you just troll people.

You know who else likes to troll? Do you ever respond to haters at all? Yeah, you went in with AOC a little bit, right? You went after her.

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know, you went at AOC. She started it, you know? What was that about? She was like coming after me and like, I don't know, some [ __ ] I don't know what pissed her off, you know?

Wait, what was that situation? I don't know, I thought she was like, I don't know, it's attacking me or something like that, you know?

And I was like, well, okay, why don't we have a poll and see who do you prefer, you know? Like, wait, I think my poll was like, you know, it's like, oh, she was like saying, oh, billionaires are evil and you're a billionaire and therefore you're evil or something like that, you know?

And I was like, um, and I was like, well, you're a politician. [Laughter] You know, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

And then, and then I, and then I hold a poll like, okay, which one do you, uh, I don't know, like more about politicians or billionaires? And they're like, billionaires won by a lot, you know?

So I was like, okay, take that AOC. Um, and, and then like some, someone who was like super pro AOC ran a direct poll of like, uh, you know, who do you like more, AOC or Elon Musk, expecting like AOC to win.

Oh my god. [Laughter] Like the, uh, meme MMA, you know? [Laughter] You walruster on the pulse. [Laughter] Why you, you knew you were gonna win by like a large?

No, I mean, I don't know for sure. You knew my favorite billionaires. She's popular. She got a lot of, you know, she got a lot of fans.

Um, she does, she has a die-hard following. Yeah, she's not about following you. Selene doesn't know who she is, but I think you'd like her.

I don't really know she's much about her. No, no, no, no, not her politics. I think you'd think she's attractive.

Oh, you know what? She is. Okay, yeah, she's all right. She's right. Yeah, great choice of lipstick, I think. Great taste in lipstick.

Because I mean, that's my absolute genuine compliment. Were you always like publicly more like conservative? I feel like that's something a little more recent. Am I conservative or just like, I mean, no, no, like conservative.

Well, you're like a billionaire that even, even, I mean, what does that mean anyway? I've heard that. Well, supporting conservatives like DeSantis and stuff like that.

I think Jose is like, I don't know, he seems like he'd be doing a good job in Florida, you know? He wasn't, he's doing his dope. He's doing an amazing job.

Yeah, I think he's doing a good job in Florida, but just like not many billionaires come out and like, I don't know, I don't see it.

Like it's mostly, you know, don't you get that pressure? Yeah, definitely a lot of pressure. I mean, there's like people pushing me in all sorts of directions, but I, I would say like, I, I think I'm a moderate, you know?

I don't know, at least, um, you know, I generally think like, uh, you know, we should let people like, you know, the government shouldn't oppress the people and stuff, you know?

Um, and shouldn't be like mandating lots of things, you know, telling people what to do, you know? Um, we don't want like a big brother situation where the government's just like, you know, busting people around.

Um, and, um, you know, so, um, we should make sure like, you know, freedom in America is preserved. You know, the craziest thing to me too, how come Tesla, for instance, is so dominant in the electric car space?

Because I know, you know, Fisker, Nicola, all these others, but they can't compete like at any level. Like why are you so far ahead of all these guys? Is Fisker even a thing?

Yeah, I'm trying. He's on his second go, Henry Fisker. Well, the hard problem is not making a prototype. The hard problem is, is making the factory.

So the factory is like 100 times, maybe a thousand times harder than the prototype. So, um, and that's why I'm like working here. I mean, I was in the Tesla factory Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

You said you're there? I was there literally this past Friday, Saturday, Sunday in the factory, um, all weekend basically.

Um, and, uh, yeah, because we're working on bringing up the factory. It's really hard to do production. So that the issue is, is like prototypes are easy, production is hard.

You've got to have this giant factory, which is like the cybernetic collective, you know, with 10,000 things that can go wrong and you've got to solve them all really fast.

If you're on solar problems fast enough, factory doesn't go. And if, and you've got some big factory, it's going to burn money like crazy if you can't make product.

So like manufacturing is underrated. Um, it's really hard. Well, do you worry about the competition or you like it? I'm not worried about the competition.

Not, not from the standpoint of like, oh, hey, that it's just not a thing. It's not a, like out till success or failure will not be because of competition.

It's like, do we make a high quality product at a price people can afford? And I kind of feel guilty right now, like our prices are kind of high, you know?

Um, because we also just don't know where inflation's headed, but sure, inflation's like, because like the waitlist for some Tesla, depending on which model it is, could be like up to a year.

So then if you're like, okay, well, you need to move up on that. Yeah, yeah. And if like, yeah, if your inflation is nine percent, well, we better increase, have prices for, you know, if a car sold today, delivered in a year, we have to anticipate the inflation.

So like, like our frankly, our prices are embarrassingly high right now. So I'm hoping inflation goes down. I think it probably will actually.

Um, so it's like a little too early to tell, but I think the trend is that like we're like at Tesla, we're seeing the prices of commodities six months out are the more, more are going down than up.

So that's like a positive sign on the inflation front. Um, but we'll see, it's a little too early to tell. Is there anything you can share on the Cybertruck updates?

Yeah, yeah. Um, so we expect to be in volume production of Cybertruck next year. So it's, it's a, since it's like, like a radically different architecture from any other car, uh, it's, it's quite difficult to figure out how to make it, you know, because it's not, you can't just use prior techniques to make actually Cybertruck.

You have to invent a whole new set of manufacturing techniques for the Cybertruck. So, um, but I think at this point we feel like we've got a handle on all the issues and, um, we expect to start delivering them by the middle of next year.

We need like 20 of them. We want to, this is our alcohol. Yeah, and we want to wrap them in Happy Dad. We're going to make them more delivery.

I think it's a sick product. I mean, it's great. How many people are on that? All Happy Dad delivery channels? 20 of them.

And we'll be all wrapped Happy Dad. People will Instagram them. Like the thing about Star Trek is going to change the whole look of the roads.

We're Happy to play. How so? We're Happy to play. It just looks radical. It's just, uh, like the whole aesthetic is just, it looks like CGI in real life.

Like even when you're standing right next to it. I mean, imagine picking up a girl on a Cybertruck. Yeah, that would be the ultimate.

Like it's pretty much the hard work's done. Like the second she gets in the car, it's just kind of like over, you know? My Tesla now, my Tesla now, we're repopulating, you know?

It does well. It's military green. Does well. Woody, what did you pull up in? Okay, what Tesla do you, what's your everyday driving?

Model S? Yeah, yeah, it's a beauty. Um, and, uh, I mean, I, I just, I mean, you know, with the Model S, I'm aiming for something that what is the car I want to drive more than anything.

And so, uh, since I have kids, that's like these four doors and stuff, you know, we need to be able to put the kid's seat somewhere, but I also wanted to be really good with handling and acceleration.

What do you have? You have a model? I have the Model S 2021. Yeah, yeah. What else is the same? I like the car. I mean, it's, it's, it's just, it's like a perfect car.

Like that, that's great. I mean, it's like nice. I mean, I got to watch what else would you want unless you're, that's what I agree, mastered, right?

This guy hits the charging stations way too long too much. Yeah, supercharger, man. Hey, yeah, getting all that money part of our content.

One of our guys, Steve, the one who lost his YouTube channel is giving away Teslas. He's giving away, I think he's bought 12.

12 Teslas in the last year and a half? Yeah, Tesla, it's cliche, but Teslas are amazing. No, they're nice.

Yeah, what about solar panels? Like what's the future on that? I think solar will be the single biggest source of energy in the world.

Um, so, um, Tesla's, there's quite a lot of solar and it's growing, it's growing fast. So SolarCity, you as well?

Uh, well, SolarCity was acquired by Tesla, but then we, we retired the SolarCity brand and now it's just Tesla. Tesla, okay, yeah.

Um, well, there's still like a lot of houses that were installed with SolarCity and stuff, so, yeah.

And, um, yeah, but like for a sustainable energy, the energy future, you've got solar power and then you need battery packs, stationary battery packs to store the solar power because obviously sun doesn't shine at night.

Um, and, uh, and then, uh, electric vehicles and then you got a fully sustainable future. So the real value of Tesla is accelerating the advent of sustainability.

It's like, uh, that, that's like, it's like what, what's, what is the real value of Tesla to civilization? It will be accelerating sustainability by 10 years, maybe 20 years.

Wow, yeah. Did you use autopilot? What's that? Oh yeah, you use it? Yeah, but you know, I do like autopilot, but I do like to, yeah, just have my hands.

Oh, I use autopilot because I'll go from LA to OC. Yeah, which one? Yeah, well, that's it. Nothing, right? You're supposed to be in your phone, but, but the, but like, sorry, autopilot is awesome.

It's amazing because like in traffic, you, you don't have any opportunity like, yeah, yeah, you know, autopilot has changed my life straight up.

Well, yeah, well, not, not that I don't trust you or anything, but I just have to have my hand on the wheel, you know? I'm being very honest.

I mean, like, you know, you hear the beep, that's the best thing I'm going to tell you about the Tesla that I've noticed is the autopilot feature just changes the game for anybody.

Yeah, it's if you're interested in, if you're commuting in traffic, it's amazing, especially in LA.

Yeah, I love the piano and the fire. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. And you know what you do? It's like, I took a check too. The honks are crazy too.

How do you do that? You just come up with that? You can fart if you honk the car. Yeah, yeah, I've used that. I have that on my car.

Yeah, yeah, there's like, there's an internal fart app where you can make a fart sound like it's coming from any seat in the vehicle.

So, you know, it's like just using like spatial audio. So, uh, like, and people aren't expecting that, you know?

Yeah, I use it when people are walking across. I know who came up with that idea. There's like a dive, like you can, the horn can make a fart sound.

So you can like just fart at people. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And then the internal fart one is you can, you can have different fart sounds and like, but you can pick which seat it's coming from.

Yeah, yeah, the bat. Yeah, yeah. So you, so like, or someone doesn't know that this exists, uh, that you can really play mess with them, you know?

Because they're just not expecting it. Like you can say like the fart sound should come from the right rear seat, um, and the speakers will just produce it from there.

And I feel like, well, no, even using it outside, like when I use it on people, like sometimes just [ __ ] around and I just, I honk and stuff.

People usually I would expect them to give you, yeah, it's funny though. That's the one thing though, if you want to honk at somebody and you fart at him, I don't know if it's as like, yo, you cut me off.

Like, yo dude, you cut me off. But I mean, it's funny. They're probably laughing. It's, it's kind of funny, you know?

He likes the road rage. Yeah, you can also like make the sort of the, the car can, um, uh, the external speaker can like when you're just cruising around a parking lot or something, uh, you can make it play like, um, you know, Polynesian elevator music or like snake jazz.

Um, or you can make it like play the coconut sound from Monty Python. So it's like club, club, club sounds like cohorts.

It's a pretty sick. Any, any other features you haven't tapped into you want to launch?

Um, I mean, we always like little, little things that here and there. Um, there's a whole bunch of Easter eggs in the car, which I think people found almost all of them online.

Easter eggs? Yeah, Easter eggs mean like, like little things, mystery things you gotta discover yourself. Yeah, just go to yourself or technically you just, you know, Google it away.

Yeah, anything, anything anybody hasn't discovered? Uh, not that I know. Um, but sometimes there's like things like the guys don't tell me they're in there.

Yeah, oh wow, you know, found out. So I like it only recently, I found that voice command open butthole, um, will open the charge port door.

You tweeted that? Yeah, we'll open it up a couple of days ago. If you use voicemail open butthole, then the charge port opens.

Wow. Yeah, is there a supercharger? Is there a supercharger for the house? I saw that. It's just crazy because nobody else would like something like this.

Yeah, I know. Well, no other car companies have no sense of humor. No, it's like they're super serious, no fun. They're fun.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll go with the tails like what's the most amount of fun you can have in a car basically? And the thing like why, why don't you do that?

You know, hell yeah, yeah, that's such a rare quality you have, Elon, is that you're such a smart guy, but you're also like, you know, to relate to the people.

Yeah, well, I mean, I just like, I think what's the thing that I don't want, like the car that's the most fun, you know?

So yeah, you definitely have comedy in you. Yeah, I love comedy. So I stand up as my side house.

Well, yeah, do you have superchargers? Do you have superchargers for the house or is it just, I know I just used charges.

Well, we gotta get supercharger in the house, man. I'm tired of going to those Tesla supercharging places, man.

It's like, that's what you just need a regular, you know, regular wool charger. Yeah, is all you need. That's true.

Yeah, um, he's the guy that doesn't plug his iPhone in it, like you know what I'm saying? I'm always there.

Yeah, I will tell you that I've been on zero miles for at least 20 minutes on the road and I've gotten to a supercharger. So thank you for that.

Like, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it does have more miles than it says when it says zero. It actually got more, a few more miles left.

Um, so, um, yeah, um, so yeah, the more, more fun stuff coming down the road.

Um, we're actually just, uh, we're trying to get like, uh, steam working on Teslas so like you can play if once we get steam working, then you can play any game that's on, on steam on the Tesla.

Oh really? Yeah, that's huge. It's cool. Wow, that'd be kind of fun, especially if you get the self-driving thing going, you know, like, oh yeah, what are you gonna do?

You know, like be on your phone or play a game or watch movies. So then, uh, it's crazy. It's funny because people always say, yo, I fell asleep, but I had the autopilot.

Yeah, but during the autopilot, you have to hold the steering wheel while you're there. Well, yeah, what will happen is if you do fall asleep, then the car will start beeping at you and like, really?

It's going to beep at you real loud if you don't do anything. So let's wakes you up. It'll, it'll, if it'll wake you up, sometimes people are like passed out so much they don't wake up.

But then the car will just gradually slow down and put on the emergency blinkers. Wow, that's way better than falling asleep.

Oh yeah, autopilot, that's going to crash, you know? Absolutely. Um, I mean, the thing that got me to really, you know, um, giddy up on the autopilot front was in the early days.

Um, there was a guy that fell asleep at the wheel on a Model S and, um, and he ran over cyclists and killed the cyclist.

Oh my god, the Model S is going to see, uh, well, it was just like, you know, this happens all the time actually, you know?

It's like people fall asleep at the wheel and then they like run over. Well, isn't that what the Model Y, you kind of like just fall asleep?

I would think the Model S is kind of like a downgraded version, right? No, Model, I'm talking about early Model, so we're doing like 20 early.

Okay, before there was any autopilot. So, um, there was a guy that that fell asleep with the wheel and he, he veered off the road and killed cyclists.

Oh my god, this happens all the time, you know? So, um, and, um, I was like, man, if we just had autopilot, then that cyclist would still be alive, you know?

So it's like, we better hurry up with autopilot, get that working, you know? So that's nuts. Do you feel, do you ever feel like, I mean, maybe or maybe not, but do you ever feel guilty when someone is like sleeping behind a wheel and then something bad happens like that?

Well, I mean, now with, uh, with autopilot, that's less likely and we also have like, um, even if the autopilot's not on, like lane departure warning to just, you know, beep at them, which will help wake him up.

Um, and I think probably we'll just start adding the autopilot safety features like we're pretty sure you don't want to crash or run, run someone over.

Yeah, you know, so, uh, so we'll just, you know, steer the car in the right direction. Yeah, even if you don't ask us on the assumption you do not want to crash.

Is there ever going to be a time where you don't even have to touch the wheel and you can say, hey, I'm going to go from LA to San Diego, put in the GPS, don't need to do anything?

I mean, you can do that right now with a full self-driving beta. Oh, you can? Yeah, you don't have to touch the wheel, let them know you're awake or anything.

Well, you touch the wheel just to confirm that you're paying attention, uh, but, um, the car is capable of doing that, uh, most likely without any intervention.

That's insane. We need those ASAP. Yeah, now as the product matures and we get to very high levels of reliability, then, uh, you know, we'll get to the point where you won't need to touch the wheel or pay attention.

You could basically just fall asleep and wake up at your destination. Wow, um, that's a mind [ __ ] that's insane.

Yeah, like Jesus Christ, how far away from that in fact? I mean, really, if, if, if you have your calendar synced with the, with the car or it's just, if you don't say anything, the car should just default take you to work or take you home, you know?

Like if it knows or take you to the destination in your calendar, you don't even say anything, just get in and just get in and get out there.

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you think we're headed into like a big recession? I don't think we're headed into a big recession.

Um, I'd say like maybe a mild recession, um, but it could be a mild recession that lasts for a couple years, something like that, you know?

Um, but the, the thing that's hard to predict or like, you know, if, if there's like, you know, like if there's like a war between China and Taiwan or something like that, that would send the world into a recession, you know?

And you know, that's always, that's a possibility. Um, you know, if there's some like big, big event, you know?

Um, but like, uh, and, and there, there is a challenge in China right now with, uh, scary the Taiwan China, the Taiwan China stuff is this worrying, scary.

There is an independent of that, there is, um, there's kind of, there's kind of a looming, um, bust in the property market in, in China where there's just been, uh, they've overbuilt, uh, apartments and, and buildings in general.

This is too many, too many housing, too many primary housing units in China, which seems crazy because a lot of people in China, but the China has overbuilt primary housing units and people are speculated on primary housing units, uh, just like the US did in the lead up to 2008.

So in the US lead of 2008, the US was building primary housing units at twice the rate of household formation.

So you, if you, you know, if, if you're making houses twice as fast as, as families are forming, then obviously something's got to give. That's we're doing that in the U.S. for a while.

Um, and so China's been doing that as well, but even more so that that'll be, that's a correction that's going to happen.

But ultimately the Chinese economy will be gigantic and is gigantic and will recover from this, but there's going to be probably a temporary, uh, recession in China driven by, um, an over-allocation of resources towards, uh, construction.

So yeah, based off of like the primary living stuff, how do you think like if we're talking about tiny houses, right, being sustainable, stuff like that, how do you persuade people who can afford to live in million dollar houses to be like, you can live in this $50,000 box that might not care about the environment?

I don't think everyone's gonna live in a $50,000 box. Uh, you know, that's not that, you know, that's fantastic.

I think that's a goal at some point. No, I mean, if somebody wants to live in a tiny house just because I wanna live in a tiny house, I guess I'm living in a tiny house and, you know, in South Texas, but I don't, you know, it's fine.

Um, but it's not like it's necessary for people to live in a tiny house just to save the environment. Got it.

Yeah, how tiny is your house? Like how many bedrooms do you have in there? How many square feet is it? I don't know, it's like maybe eight or 900 square feet like that.

What about AI stuff? You ever fear about a AI revolution, a rebellion? Yeah, that is a risk. Um, AI is advancing rapidly. That'll be on my risk list.

How, how soon do you think that is something gotta worry about? An hour or ten years? Probably less than ten years. Really? For what? Robots, AIs to attack the human?

So necessarily to attack, but if you say like when is it dangerous when they become smarter than us? I guess ten years.

I mean, the viewers already were smarter than us in, in most ways, but when they know, hey, yeah, we haven't even touched on AI yet. Sure, yeah, let's go.

I mean, those things could be hacked too. Well, that's, I think that's a big fear too, more than aliens because computers, like you said, are smarter than us.

So when do they, when do they become smarter to be like, yo, we can take over the world? Yeah, computers are already smarter than us in most respects.

But, but do they have that sense of like power? Like it's, it's AI like it, like does power come from like being like human and like, like consciousness?

Like does, is an AI necessarily going to like seek that power necessarily unless it's programmed to do so? I mean, right now there's a tremendous amount of AI technology in advertising, of course.

So, so like I guess if the, you know this, but like a massive amount of AI is trying to get you to click something.

Oh yeah, yeah, it feels like even our phones, like people are talking all the time. You're talking about a topic and then you get asked, they listen.

Yeah, they listen. That alone, I think is kind of like you see what TikTok, you give access to, no, you give them access to like everything.

Really? No one reads it. Are you on TikTok? Yeah, you're Twitter only. I always wondered why no words.

Yeah, why is that? I mean, I only need one means of like communicating to people, you know?

So, um, do you have a secret IG account, Instagram account that you guys have a secret Instagram? Of course we got like zero followers.

Yeah, I know it's just, I literally just like I can click on links and stuff. You just like troll people? Yeah, you troll people for sure.

I don't know, I don't troll actually. I haven't trolled you. You have burner accounts, man? No, actually I haven't trolled anybody.

I don't have, I feel like that's cap. You have to have trolled somebody. Durant even John like, yo, you're kind of a pushy guy, bro.

Like no, you know the crazy thing is I wasn't that pushy. I've never had any Twitter account except my own.

So why don't you just launch an Instagram too? Yeah, you'll pop off. Um, help us out, man.

Well, no, I mean I wasn't Instagram for a while, but he can get you verified. Yeah, I mean, so the problem is like Instagram, man, it's just a thirst trap, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Instagram's next level thirst trap. So, um, on the women's side, right? Yeah, yeah, totally.

But like, and if you're like, the thing is like I found myself taking like a lot of selfies and [ __ ] and I'm like, what the [ __ ] man?

Yeah, why am I doing this? And then I was like, listen, this thing and I'm like, oh, I'm trying to get more likes and do selfies.

This is, I'm not going to, I stagger the Instagram models like they just, yeah, but you should just make a meme page.

Yeah, like a [ __ ] Jerry type, but edgier. Yeah, political. Your Instagram would be pretty dope, bro, if you just had me on the page.

I've only seen one photo of you and that was you next to a computer. That is the only photo I've ever seen of you on Instagram.

Okay, I've never seen any other ones on Instagram. Yeah, like I thought it was your actual account, but it wasn't. I guess it was a fake.

Oh, that's probably a lot of fakes. Yeah, as a, of course. Yeah, I mean, I find like, you know, there's just, uh, I can, whatever message I'm trying to get across, I can just throw it on Twitter and people repost on Instagram and stuff.

So, yeah, how about Snapchat? Um, uh, I don't use Snapchat. Um, do you use Snapchat? I have it. Do you use it?

Yeah, okay, for a little bit, like, like snap a few girls and then I like, I actually like the, the stories they have.

Like this official one's pretty big though. That's like pretty good for your movies actually too. Yeah, we got like two million dollars.

There's a lot. And then promoting our stuff, Snapchat is great too. Snap's just for like women. Snap's low key like one of the best ways to promote stuff I find too.

Yeah, because they don't unfollow you or anything. It's like, and you're there forever in our, and our official page, it's like only our die hards follow it.

You know, like random, you don't follow a random person on Snapchat, like you got to be a director. But you rarely see somebody on add somebody on Snapchat, right?

That's why I think where you say like very personal too. If you tell someone to do something like go like this post or go do this, I find on Snapchat it's very personal.

So they do it. We have meetups and thousands and thousands. I mean, I think we did one in Fort Worth. It was like almost five thousand.

We shut down Texas. Wow. Yeah, we shut down the helicopter. Fort Worth PD said if we show up, we're gonna get arrested for inciting a riot because there's too many people there.

Wow, that was all promoted on Snapchat. Like we didn't even really post it anywhere else. We just posted on Snapchat and went viral from there.

Can we promote a launch and have a meetup at a launch? Well, it's actually, it's easy to see launches from Florida because there's a, um, you can go get pretty close and we have launches every week.

Have you ever had a, oh, have you ever had a show, Elon? Should I show you? Wait, but hold on. Have you ever had a violation or any problems like tweet taken down, anything like that?

Actually, you know, I guess that, um, I've put in some, some pretty borderline tweets, but no problems.

Um, they've never actually, they've never taken a direct action against me, but I think they might have like shadow banned it or something.

Twitter's personal too. I mean, same thing as Twitter probably loves having you on though. I think Twitter needs Elon.

I tweeted this one, this is right after we had Trump on our podcast. Okay, it got like a hundred thousand. What did you say?

Okay, cool. Um, hold on. Do you know what your most viral tweet is of all time? Like your most viral, like retweeted likes? What is it?

Um, it's, uh, next I'm gonna buy Coca-Cola and put the cocaine back. That break a million that way that you, you know?

Oh wow, how many likes did that get? Yeah, I bet you got a million though. I think you got like four million or something.

Oh my god, did it used to happen? You used to have coke on Twitter with likes? So like getting four million likes is insane.

Did he used to have coconuts? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that did, you know, you cocaine, you said coke, Coca-Cola used to have cocaine back in the day.

What days was that? Like earlier? Yeah, I wasn't born like 50. You have stuff in your dress? That was the most probably most popular tweet of all time.

How long ago? The most popular tweet ever made by a living person. It's amazing. Wow, your tweet, the man on Twitter is the second most popular one after Chadwick Boseman.

But that was use AI to predict what tweets are. That may have been what I hit you up for. Like that was what triggered for me to call you.

And then then I added, added Coca-Cola and said, listen, like listen to the people, you know, does poke this Coca-Cola come on?

Does Coca-Cola reach out to you? The people are saying put the cocaine back in. Clearly they want it. So come on.

Did they reach out to you about that? Back to your roots, Elon. Do you just tweet? Do you just tweet whenever?

Like you just tweet whenever like whenever you feel like it? Yeah, pretty much. That's so savage. You're the only guy that has the balls in your position to do that.

Everybody else like has a lawyer, gets approved, no [ __ ] do you have to do whatever you're thinking about right now?

Like do you have any in your dress that we could just, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's in this? Yes, exactly. What's in the dress folder?

Um, I mean, a good friend of mine just did say like, listen, if there's something that maybe is not a wise tweet, why don't you save in the dress world and see if you want to send it the next morning?

And I'm like, okay, I'm not saying what they are, but there are a few in the dress folder that the next morning I was like, okay, probably I shouldn't send that.

Um, so, uh, but it was pretty insane for me to challenge Putin to, you know, one-on-one combat.

Uh, how viral did that go? It went pretty viral and then it even gotten like Russian telegram and stuff.

And then I got, would you ever take on Kim Jong-un? I mean, if he wants, I saw you, I'm going to say no.

What about a friendly cop? I feel like Kim Jong-un would be down. I mean, you know, if, if he wants, Putin's not really about it.

I feel like he just chilled out, but he had some people. I remember he tweeted like, yo, if I disappear in the middle of the night, you know where I went.

And then I think your mom got involved, right? Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, she said that's not funny.

Yes, you just say that's not funny. Um, yeah, I mean like I don't have an assassination squad, you know?

Yeah, so you've got to protect yourself though. You got this one. Yeah, that's the key differences between, that's the problem though.

You don't ever feel scared if you go at Russia or Kim Jong-un? You know, I did think like, man, this, this could be a really, this, this could really backfire and resolve.

Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, wrestle center. You worry about that? You worry about like some of these people not understanding your humor and taking it?

Are you serious? Britain doesn't have a great sense of humor. Oh [ __ ] might relax.

How do we set this? I don't think he doesn't crack darts that often, but I mean, maybe he does behind the scenes.

He does for sure. Yeah, he's got a secret telegram. Like maybe he's got a, yeah, maybe he's like, you know, um, he might be pretty funny.

Um, so, uh, no, that was a little risky, you know? Um, so, uh, yeah, I mean probably tweeting can be hazardous to your health, it sounds like.

Times you have no fear, you don't fear anybody. I don't have a death wish, right? Yeah, I mean, everybody's gonna die, just question when.

So [Music] how do we create something to keep us alive? I'm not worried about dying. Can we create something to keep us alive longer or no?

Have you looked into that longevity and so? Yeah, I don't know if we should have longevity because the people who, who will get the longevity capability, um, first are probably people you wouldn't want to live that long.

Rich people, right? How long would you want? You know, I don't know, some, some, there's like, I think a lot of people in power who you wouldn't want them to have some super longevity situation because then they never be out of power, you know?

You think that's going to be possible though with like modern medicine and just everything we're doing? Some amount of longevity I think is probably certainly possible.

If that's possible, sure. Um, you'd think that'd be a fight. I think I could probably solve some of longevity to some degree.

Um, but I don't want to. What if somebody, I guess it doesn't matter for you, but yeah, if someone approached you and said, hey, I need to live 150 years, you're saying nowhere?

I think we'll definitely do that. Like we'll definitely be able, someone's going to do that. No, but I mean if it takes you 10, 15 years to develop at least living like 10, whatever, 10 extra years.

Yeah, if the right person came to you. Yeah, the problem is like, you know, uh, when people get old, they don't change their minds, they just die.

So if you want to have progress in society, you got to make sure that, you know, people, people need to die because they don't, they get old, they don't change their mind.

Absolutely. So if, if, if all children lived for a long, super long time, I think society would get lazy, right? It's very stale, you know, very ossified.

Pretty crazy. I mean, if you live forever, what the [ __ ]? You don't care about tomorrow. Yeah, in a way, but also, yeah, older people are stuck in their ways, right?

Like they've lived their whole life, they're not like, all people are stuck in their ways and they don't change their mind. They just die.

Some people are just ready to die. Yeah, when? Yeah, I mean, good. Yeah, lived enough life. I think you sort of, you're ready to die.

Would Neuralink be able to save people's memories? Like could you text me down those memories and put it in another person?

Yeah, sufficiently advanced Neuralink would be able to save the save state. Um, now you wouldn't be exactly the same person, but you're also not exactly the same person when you wake up every morning.

You're a little different from when you went to sleep. So especially advanced Neuralink would, would enable you to record and could be like a clone in a different body, so to say.

Yeah, sufficiently advanced Neuralink, you could say save game basically. Do you think they've cloned humans?

I don't know, I'm not aware of any cloning of humans that has actually taken place, but if you say is it possible to clone here, it's very possible, right?

Of course, because they've admitted to cloning sheep, right? Well, you can, uh, get your dog cloned right now.

Is that like literally a dog cloning service? Where do you do that? So there's got to be clones. There's even advertising for it.

Like if you search to clone my job, that's like, that's like, and your cat, that's kind of common. I don't know, like it's common to clone your dog.

Sherivan has a cloned dog, doesn't he? I don't want to quote it, but well, you gotta have ten clones and they'd be like your dog times.

Sherivan has like the most like dope, that'd be pretty weird, whatever they're called. I don't know if I like that.

Not pit bulls, but um, Staffordshire, I think they're cloned. Anyway, you can literally, I think there's a dog cloning service here in Austin.

Oh my god, yeah. What is going on? That's crazy. That's crazy. And I think it's just, if you can clone a dog, include a human.

Yeah, same level of difficulty. Wow, that's scary. Cloning a human, I mean, someone's tested it somewhere, I'd bet.

I'd bet my whole bank account like there's a lot of things that just happened though, Bradley Martin.

I mean, yes, is this really you or what feels like me? Like, but one of the things I think about for like Neuralink that's kind of a real mind trip is like, let's say Neuralink, um, enables a full sort of recording of memories and like, and, and all of your feelings and everything.

Um, feelings, that's the biggest thing right there. You're like everything does that, but our feelings like chemical, but I guess it's your everything you've ever felt, all your remote, everything.

It's all electrical signals, right? Whoa, it's all coming, it's all neurons firing. So that's insane.

So the clones will have feelings and you could record, record everything. Oh my god, that's scary. That's when the AIs take over though.

Yeah, I'm saying like, so that is like saying, yeah, you could actually even recreate like a video game that's like the most real vid, like very game where every sense that you feel is you're in the game.

Like someone like this, like this could be a Neuralink video game, but so does that mean if you die in the video game, you done real life type thing?

Not necessarily, but does your mind convince you of that? Well, you could do anything. It could make the brain believe anything.

Like what you have said, what, what is death? Death is the loss of information. So like if you, uh, let's, let's say like, like if you got disintegrated, but, but then got, you know, reintegrated immediately with no pain or anything, did you die?

Well, not, not really because you you're still continuing. So like, you know, we're in a video game, you do that, you die a lot in the video games.

Um, but, but you then you just come back to a saved game state. Yeah. And now, so, so you say like, what is death? What is, what does death actually mean?

It's the loss of the information associated with that individual. And if you no longer have lots of information associated with that individual, death has no meaning.

I mean, it could hurt, I suppose. Um, what about the evolution of video games? Do you do you play video games?

Yeah, what do you game? I just played Elden Ring, which was really great. Elden Ring? Yeah, I've never even heard of that. Have you guys?

Already is amazing. What, uh, console? I play PC. Really? What's the game? I'm sorry, I haven't heard of it.

Elden Ring is a great game. Uh, it's probably game of the year. Um, I'm gonna get roasted by the gaming community.

Oh yeah, you're screwed. It's a problem. It's a from software. Anyway, um, it's like a shooter or it's like a fantasy game.

Uh, it's awesome game. I highly recommend playing Elden Ring. Well, now I'm gonna play it. I promise you that's great.

It's sick. Um, Elden Ring has the most beautiful art I've ever seen. Super advanced. It's just beautiful art.

Did you grow up artistically? Uh, amazing. Did you grow up playing like video games? Yeah, I grew up playing very prominent video games.

Um, because I'm like 51, so that's no spring chicken. So like Super Smash Nintendo? Yeah, Super Smash, I played it.

I mean, where else? That's primitive to us, but probably not super primitive. Yeah, no, I just, you know, who doesn't play?

I was live before there was even Pong. Sure, I had a console, the console before Atari for the original Atari.

Wow, I only had four games. Um, do you ever think you can even add new games? You can like play full games.

Um, so you ever think about creating your own console? No, no need for that. What about sports?

Yeah, um, so there's just no, no challenge there really. I'm not sure there's value to be added by another console.

Um, so, but the games I, I play on the PC, I've only played a few games on the console.

Um, but I played a lot of games on the PC. Is the game that you were talking about multiplayer? Like do you play with a headset multiplayer?

So have you ever played with like random people? Yeah, I mean, I played Overwatch and I do you talk in the mic and let it like, no?

Okay, they'll be like, no, that'd be why I feel like you'd have some good chirps though.

Yeah, um, I've played the, I've played the entire evolution of video games from, like I said, early like Pong, Space Vader stuff, Pac-Man all the way through to, uh, super high resolution multiplayer online games.

Um, at one point I was quite competitive at Quake. Um, and, um, played what I think was maybe the first paid esports thing in the U.S.

It was a Quake tournament and, um, my team came second. We would have come first except the, I was the second best guy on the team and the best guy, his, his computer glitched halfway through the game.

How hard did you chew out your team after you lost or did you? We've, we got money and stuff like this really check.

Yeah, although, yeah, I mean,

First movie I ever saw in a theater.

Oh really?

Yeah, wow. I think I was six years old, something like that.

Well, it really made an impression. Maybe that's when it all started, right?

Yeah, maybe that's why I like space still. It's interesting. It's got to be that. It's probably had an effect.

Yeah, I remember it being like super wow at first. I never like said I had never been in a movie theater before.

Well, it's not that I can remember. So imagine seeing like the first movie that you ever saw in a theater was Star Wars. That'd be like, it's kind of crazy.

Yeah, six years old. Do you remember it like that?

Yeah, I can remember. I can visualize coming out of the theater.

That is insane. I was like, I think Karate Kid memory is one of the biggest intelligences. That was my first one.

All right. Did you see the series?

All three?

Yeah, the series that I made.

Oh yeah, I saw the first season.

Yeah, the first season of what?

Cobra Kai.

Yeah, that's a deep cut.

Yeah, you're in Cobra Kai.

I watched the first, I think, couple of seasons.

I mean, it is a twister knife.

Yeah, it is.

I didn't like it.

I mean, no, it was great. The show was safe, but to make you uncomfortable.

Yeah, exactly.

Well, I mean, I'm saying you don't like Daniel after loving the guy for like 30 years, you know?

30 plus years.

Yeah, yeah. Well, Daniel's OG.

Yeah, he loved the guy.

Yeah, but you got to see it.

Yeah, yeah. They make you not like him.

It's literally the original actors too.

Yeah, which is also crazy.

I've always thought too something with people I've known. I think memory is the biggest piece for intelligence. So if you have a really good memory, you're just going to be smarter than the average.

Sure, memory is a big deal because if you can remember walking out of the theater at six, I mean, I can't remember everything at six, but I, you know, certain things.

I mean, like sometimes you wonder, like, is it a real memory or a created memory?

Like, so, like one of the things that I remember was kind of traumatic when I was a little kid was, and I must have been like four years old or something.

And I was, there was a costume party, like Halloween or something, like at the Hebrew preschool that I was at.

And I was being, like my parents were out of town and my grandmother was taking care of me.

And she's like not super sensitive to like, you know, religious stuff.

And anyway, she dressed me up as freaking Santa Claus for a Halloween party at a Hebrew preschool.

Oh my God, that's amazing.

Yeah, whoa.

And how did the rabbi respond to that?

Not well.

Yeah, so not well.

It's not well. I went to Hebrew school too.

I got pulled out of school and I was, I remember sitting there for like, and not knowing what the heck was going on.

And like, because they thought it was like some kind of deliberate insult, you know?

Yeah, obviously not. Like, you know, it's just like, oh, you know, it's a random costume choice, you know?

And so then I'm like, I don't know why I'm being punished.

And so I was like, is that a real thing that happened or did I just think that happened?

And then my mom actually found a photo of it.

Really?

Yeah.

How many?

How many? Did they pull you back and say you need to post that picture?

And I just had to sit in the, you know, principal's office or whatever for a couple hours.

It's a long time if you're a kid.

And wait for my grandmother to come pick me up.

Wow, I got thrown out of school that day.

And I was like, it's kind of traumatic.

And I remember that. I remember what that sort of office looked like where I was just sitting there for a couple hours being confused about why I'm being thrown out of school.

How old were you then?

I think I must have been like four or four, maybe five.

Dude, how can you remember this stuff?

You think if you read, like this?

Well, that's like, that's what I'm saying. I wasn't sure, is this even real?

And then like, and then my mom, turns out she had a picture.

How are like memories stored in the brain?

It's like crazy how we can just like recall like things from, I don't know.

How does sometimes just butchered?

I feel like, yeah, sometimes when you try to recall a memory, you kind of like affect that memory as well.

It's kind of like what you want.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, really?

Yeah, like they've done these tests where like they ask people to remember things and then, like it'll be sometimes like it'll be affected even by like your mood when you're remembering the memory.

Like, yeah, what's your current state of mind?

And like that memory you could recall, that memory will be like affected by your current state of mind.

So, you know, sometimes you have to wonder, was that real or not?

I mean, you know, like there's like, it's like an old saying with, but I'll please a police saying like it's like whenever there's a crime, there's like, there's always like three stories, like the victim, the perpetrator, and the truth.

So it's like, you know, or, or, you know, movie like Rashomon, if you've heard of Rashomon, where there's like the same thing happens and you see four different people's perspective and it's all totally different.

So that could be multiple things though, right?

Yeah, I'm just saying like people's experience of an event is, it's not always accurate.

Do you think that if you read a page of a book, you could recite the page?

I could, I could train to do that.

Yeah, eventually.

Like you read one page and you could recite it back just without reading it?

Yes, there are ways to do this.

There are memory tricks that can be used to do that.

So, but I wouldn't say that that's a good use of your brain power.

No.

So what's the biggest thing you think to teach the brain then?

If I want to teach my brain something, what's the most valuable thing I could do?

Okay, well here's something that could be helpful to people who, who are, we watch this.

The important thing for in order to remember something, you must assign meaning to it.

You have to say why.

Sure, just say like why it's relevant.

And if you can say why something is relevant, you probably will remember it.

But because your brain is basically constantly trying to forget everything as much as possible because it's hard to store memories.

Yeah, so it's trying, it's just things you care about.

Yeah, like most of the stuff that we see in here is like not worth remembering.

So in order for your brain to remember something, you have to establish relevance.

You have to say why.

It's got to be in your head multiple.

Yeah, it's like either a strong emotional event, like it's like a strong involuntary emotional event, or you could like, I guess, try to generate an emotion.

And then the third way would be absurdity.

So if you want to remember an event, try to imagine that event associated with something completely absurd.

It's like for you to remember it.

Yes, okay, wait, it makes sense.

Like, so like let's say you want to fix this event in this room, just like imagine a dancing elephant dressed in a tutu that's just dancing around the room.

And then visualize that and you will remember this.

Well, what if there's no employees?

Wow, how do you know that?

It's a memory trick.

That's been, it's a, your brain remembers things that are different.

Okay, and different can mean like there's a strong emotional association or it's absurd.

Sure, it's unusual.

But if something is not unusual, if it's just par for the course, then why should your brain bother remembering that?

Well, does it have to have some sort of importance?

I mean, to you, I mean like, but like elephants, like I don't give a [ __ ] like, you know what I mean?

Like I'm just saying I don't care about the dancing elephant or tutu that's jumping around this room.

No, I remember it, but I think what you, you know, it's a great way to do it.

Yeah, I think that's kind of like why we remember the first time we went to a movie, but I probably don't remember what I had for breakfast on Sunday, you know, three days ago or two days ago.

Yeah, yeah, it just, anything that's like, that's like, your brain's just like trying to save neurons.

It's like trying to save brain cells here.

So, it's just, your brain is really trying to forget as much as possible.

So you have to give a reason to not forget.

And that reason has to be that it is different from a normal day or a normal event.

But that difference can be real or you can imagine it.

So there was a trick that I did for quite a while when I was a kid.

I just read a book on memory tricks basically.

And using these memory tricks, you can memorize like the position of all the cards in a deck.

So you could say, have you seen this before?

No, no, just wondering why he would flush a toilet paper flush.

Yeah, I'm flushed at all.

Didn't want to ruin it.

Royal flush, don't even piss on the, you know, the water.

Yeah, the reason that I said that is because like if I went through school for high school, college, graduated from college, but everything that you do is a test of your memory.

If you're going to go take a test, it's you, how well can you memorize this stuff?

Well, not every, like if you say like math stuff, well, there's partly memory but also compute.

Yeah, but I suppose like history, geography or something like that would be mostly memory.

Creative writing, not memory exactly.

But I went to school with Alexandra, see Boulder.

Okay, yeah, with who?

Your stepsister.

Oh really?

Yeah, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, she's my age actually.

Yeah, yeah, works more.

Well, yeah, I spent a lot more time in the library.

She was probably out partying, but okay.

Yeah, she might have a sister, but yeah, yeah, house is yours.

Yeah, she lives in Austin now.

She was, she lives in Austin.

Oh yeah, yeah, no, I know she's married.

Yeah, yeah, has a kid and everything.

Oh wow, this year often or not?

Another family events and stuff.

Nice, she was very sweet the whole time.

Yeah, Elon, how would you describe yourself?

I don't know.

I don't know what you think of yourself.

Technologist?

Besides, you know, besides what you, I do technology.

Yeah, but like besides what you've done with, you know, all you've done, I mean as a person, as like Elon Musk as a person, how would you describe yourself?

I suppose I would just, I would just say I'm a technologist who's curious about the future.

And generally I'm trying to take the actions that most likely lead to a better future for civilization.

I think that's like frankly the only like logical thing to do because like if you don't take the, you know, there's no point in having like a good future without civilization.

You know, there's no, if civilization crumbles, nobody's going to have a good future.

So I don't know.

So I think we want to take the set actions that maximize the probability the future is going to be good and interesting.

And then we understand more about the nature of reality in the universe.

More than anything else, I'm curious.

Curious about what?

Just like I said, the nature of the universe.

Why do you think, or even what questions to ask?

Why do you think you made this your goal though?

Like when I guess when I was kind of growing up, I did have this like existential crisis where I was like, what's the meaning of life?

Is this all pointless?

Is there any point in existing at all?

And I read the various religious texts and I read a bunch of the philosophers and I just couldn't really seem to find any good answers.

And then I read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is really a book on philosophy but it's disguised as a book on humor.

And the point Douglas Adams was making is that the purpose of life is to learn more, to ultimately know what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe.

Here's sort of making that like that's the actual point is to figure out the point.

And so at least that was my interpretation.

And so therefore we should take the set of actions that are likely to expand consciousness and our understanding of the universe so that we can know what the meaning of life is or why we're here and how the universe came to be.

And that was kind of what answered my existential crisis.

I think that's a good philosophy basically.

Now it's a philosophy that may, I think maybe for a lot of people may be uncomfortable because it's like, it's a jeep too.

I think it is a rational and logical philosophy, but it is one that does not get, that's basically saying, hey, we don't know what the answer is, but let's try to find out for sure.

Do you feel like you know part of the answer?

Yeah, I think, you know, we as humans collectively know part of the answer, but only a small, small part at this point.

If we can make civilization last for, I don't know, like a million years or something, you know, that would, we probably will know much more of the answer.

And I date civilization from, like I said, the first writing, it was like 5,000 years ago.

Just practically no time at all.

So if we were to last a million more years, then like we're barely at the beginning of civilization.

Yeah, that's true.

Like if civilization does last many years, we will be seen, they'll think of us as like ancient ancients.

Like it would be like cavemen and everything, you know?

Pretty much.

Yeah, yeah.

How probable do you think that is that we would last another million years?

I think it's probable.

Yeah, if we get to Mars and start expanding even other planets.

If we make Mars multi-planetary, yeah.

Like if we make Mars a self-sustaining civilization, like a city, I think the probable lifespan of humanity is very long.

If we don't, if we never expand beyond Earth, then I don't think the civil, that this lifespan of humanity will be long.

What do you think it would be?

Do you think Earth's coming to an end?

Oh, that is a certainty.

It's just a question of when.

Oh my goodness, how so?

Like natural, naturally or there's a lot of man-made.

I like believe everything this guy says.

There's a lot of factors.

He's right, he knows what you're doing.

You know, well, I mean this, the sun is gradually expanding.

And the sun, so if nothing else happens, the sun will expand and boil the oceans and kill all life on Earth.

That is a certainty.

That's a certainty?

That's a certainty.

Well, how far, how far are we out from?

Wait, because the sun's expanding, like it's growing?

Yeah, it's expanding because it's very slowly, not incrementally.

Don't hold your breath on this one, but, you know, things could get a bit dicey in 500 million years.

Like, you know, so when are they predicting that this, that like that growth would become like an actual threat though?

Well, it's not going to be in our lifetimes or anything close to it, but I'm just saying that if you look, think very long term, then the extinction of Earth is a certainty.

If you say long-term certainty because of that, if nothing else, that and, but of course that, like if nothing else happens to destroy your life on Earth, that will definitely happen.

So, now there's pro, like if you look at the fossil record, it's worth looking at like the great extinction events.

Just read it, you just would like read the Wikipedia page or something, you know, or read Encyclopedia Britannica.

Like the great extinction events in the fossil record, there are arguably five great extinction events.

And this is where your great extinction event would be like, I don't know, 70, 80 percent of all species on Earth are destroyed.

And there was one particular extinction, the Permian extinction, where it's like maybe 90, 95 percent of all species were destroyed.

Which frankly doesn't tell the whole story because most of what remained were like sponges and fungi and things like, not, you know, unless you are a mushroom or a cockroach or whatever, you know, or something.

Basically no large life was survived or almost no large life.

So, the Permian extinction took out almost everything.

What were those extinction events?

What was like the craziest one?

Well, like the most amount of species death was the Permian extinction.

I recommend just looking at reading the great, you know, from what have we found in the fossil record about great extinctions.

That and as like this, we're generally considered to be like roughly five great extinctions.

Now, that doesn't count the many, the many cases where entire continents were destroyed.

That happened a lot, but that wouldn't count as a major extinction.

So that happened many, many times.

But like any time that there's a really big volcano, like Yellowstone, for example, I think is supposed to erupt every 100,000 years or so.

And that would destroy pretty much all life in America.

Wow.

Yeah.

Now, we'll see that one coming, you know, most likely.

But he also has a gigantic volcano.

Never knew that.

Yeah, I didn't know that.

Yeah, have you been there?

I've never been to Yellowstone.

Seen last time a volcano erupted?

Well, they were up to, you know, there's like little eruptions quite frequently.

Central America is like a huge one.

There's a big one in Guatemala, I think.

I want to say that like a year, maybe a year ago.

Krakatoa was a, I know this is kind of off topic, but then Hawaii had one a couple years ago too.

Big Island, you know, there's volcanic, big, big volcanoes.

Eruptions, will those, will there's plenty of those that'll take out a continent?

Earth's climate also changes pretty radically over the course of like say 10,000 years.

You know, it can shift from being extremely hot to extremely cold and turn across.

Now, yeah, you can really go down a deep rabbit hole if you read about ice ages.

Yeah, really, like the deep rabbit hole on ice ages.

What's so intriguing about them?

The whole Earth, that's just been through, like the whole Earth is just freezing.

Like I said, this deep rabbit hole on ice ages, the private hole.

Where should we get so many?

I guess, wait, there's something wrong with this tidbit of it.

Yeah, why do you love it?

What I love it?

I mean, I think it's just interesting.

So interesting that how much Earth's climate has changed and even where the magnetically, where the poles are, has shifted over time.

So, you know, anyway, there's also been times where in the past where our galaxy has collided with another galaxy.

That probably should, you know, threw things for a bit of a loop at the time.

Why is there like a conspiracy when it comes to ice ages or anything like that?

Or is it not really?

No.

Okay, when was the last ice age?

How long ago was that?

Well, we're technically in sort of an ice age right now, although it depends on what you call an ice age.

What happened to global warming?

Wait, but yeah, how so?

Like what defines an ice age at that point?

Global warming is like cool anymore.

It's a deep rabbit hole.

What do you do when you're going down a deep rabbit hole though?

Is it YouTube videos, books, or how do you educate yourself?

On Wikipedia, the internet and yeah, books and clicking around the internet, Googling, Wikipedia, you know, YouTube, whatever.

So, Twitter can be interesting.

So, I think there was probably something significant that happened at the, in the last ice age because we don't see any evidence of writing.

When I say I'm using ice age in the colloquial timeline of like when was it very snowy and where the glaciers came down far and where summer was short, winter was very long.

And that was about ten thousand years ago.

So, something happened around, I think around that ice age that because we see no writing, no writing before that ice age.

And we start to see writing pop up in multiple places on Earth after that, after the most recent colloquially termed ice age.

So, yeah, like I said, there have been times when Earth has been extremely tropical and where it's been a snowball.

But these tend to occur over very long periods of time.

The global warming thing we're talking about here is where we're just taking large amounts of carbon that was buried underground and we are putting it in the atmosphere and oceans.

And this will naturally change the climate to some degree.

I don't think it's like the end of the world or anything, but it's gonna, it's gonna cause drive.

So that's why it's good to accelerate a sustainable energy future for sure.

I know this is kind of off topic, but I do want to ask, completely off topic, how expensive is it to send one human to Mars?

If you want to break it down by human.

Well, right now it's infinity dollars.

Yeah, infinity, Bitcoin and dollars and everything.

Meaning like no amount of money could you could not send someone to Mars for any amount of money right now.

Now with Starship, you know, hopefully when Starship is successful, Sasha will be capable of sending people to Mars.

I think long term we could get the cost of a trip to Mars maybe under a hundred thousand dollars.

Wow, what?

Wow, yeah, it's like, let me just say that it's not physically impossible to achieve that per person.

Or yeah, oh, is this a hundred thousand?

But that's not that crazy to go to [ __ ] different planets.

No, that's not bad.

Yeah, how do you say like what's the, if you have a fully reusable vehicle and your propellant costs are low, then it is possible to achieve a cost per person number below a hundred thousand.

And how many people can you fit on the space shuttle?

Well, space shuttle is not capable of going, sorry, beyond Earth.

But, um, rocket, right?

The current version of Starship, you could, you could put a hundred people on it.

Um, so then, you know, you'd have to get the cost of the flight.

How do you break that cost below 10 million?

How do you kill the cost?

I feel like it's got to be way more expensive than that.

It's like first class on Emirates.

It's really, no, it's like 40k.

Okay, but a hundred K, like that's, uh, you haven't flown first class when Emirates, have you?

No, never.

But I'm saying like a hundred K is like a private jet from New York to Europe, right?

Well, we're talking about taking a rocket to Mars.

So how, how are those costs even similar?

Um, you say like, I'm saying in the limit of affordability, is it possible to achieve a cost of a trip to Mars below a hundred thousand per person?

I'm like, yes, it is.

It is not impossible.

Um, so it basically would like, like sort of for Starship, if you could get, if you put a hundred people on board and the cost per flight is, uh, less than 10 million dollars, that's a hundred thousand dollars per person.

Sure, so is that unfair though?

Because you got to assume rich people were going to be the guy or the not the guys, but the people that can afford that.

Well, not necessarily.

There'll be a labor shortage on Mars.

So, oh, okay.

You'll probably, you know, take a loan and pay it back real fast.

Um, but I'm just saying like somehow we've got to get there.

And so now we're going to get a lot of people there.

So it's got to be funded by individuals, but individuals, governments, or, or that, that's repaid.

Um, somehow it's like, gotta pay for the rocket, you know?

Yeah, I need a lot of rockets.

So, but I'm confident that it is possible to create a self-sustaining city on Mars.

Yeah, um, similar to the Earth eventually in terms of restaurants, clubs.

Yeah, all that.

Maybe, maybe you start with like the coolest hotel, club, and restaurant ever.

Then you entice people to go there.

Nice golf courses too.

Yeah, you got that involved.

Yeah, I mean the golf ball would go much further on Mars.

Yeah, no, it's only, it's only like, uh, like 37, 38 percent of us gravitational.

So you'd be able to like kind of jump more than twice as high.

Yeah, you probably about hit that ball like 500 yards.

Yeah, there you go.

Do you think like exclusivity would make people want to go to Mars even?

It's going to be exclusive no matter what, bro.

There's enough people that if there's only a hundred people, but it's gonna be a huge one.

But what I mean by like, but you have to, in order for it to be self-sustaining, you've got to have like a million people.

So a million, I think so.

I mean to have for self-sustaining build like where you don't need any comments.

Like [ __ ] if the ships from Earth stop coming for any reason, does the city die out?

Right, that's a hard, that's a hard, that's a high bar.

You know, that's why you can't be missing anything.

Oh wow, I don't know, a million, that's crazy.

So I think it's probably at least a million.

Do you got half?

No, no.

But people can live there.

That's before when you don't need resources from the Earth, right?

Yeah, yeah, I'm saying in order to make it self-sustaining.

But in order to ensure humanity's future for a long time, it's got, you've got to have a self-sustaining city.

If it's dependent on Earth, then you're still like, okay, if something bad happens to Earth, then Mars is going to die out too.

Sure, so to make it self-sustaining is where that's, that's the real threshold that matters.

How long, when it's like, when it's all said and done, like how long would a trip take?

Well, right now a trip would take six months, but I think you get the trip under three months.

Six months?

Yeah, yeah.

I thought it was years.

Oh no, now Earth and Mars are only aligned every two years.

So Earth and Mars are only like the same called the same quadrant of the solar system every two years.

So you have to do that, you line up every two years, but then it's like a six-month journey.

So that's the only time you could go when they're lying.

Yeah, because sometimes Mars is on the other side of the sun, you know, unless you're gonna go through the sun, so it's not gonna happen.

Yeah, so they need to be in the same quadrant, taking into account how the planets move relative to one another.

Wow.

Um, so, so you only have a short one.

Come back, this Earth is zipping around the, you know, zips around the sun every year.

Mars is about every two years.

You gotta wait two years to come back.

But it is crazy, you gotta spend, right now you said six months on a rocket with a hundred other people, right?

What does that look like?

Also crazy cramped.

Yeah, you think people lose their hands?

Yeah, what do they do?

I mean, they did ocean voyages back in the day that were like six months, you know, on a little ship in the middle of the ocean.

May, you know, admittedly a lot of people died, but you know, they definitely were, they were sailing journeys that were more than six months in old times on really tiny ships.

Six months on a rocket, you'd have to, yeah, that'd be like a mental, that's a mental thing you really got to overcome.

Six months ago was well being in a rocket feature like Mars.

Yeah, you gotta bring some chicks up in there too.

I mean, if I go upstairs, you said 100 people, so if we go with 99 chicks, then you're good.

You need at least more than half.

Yeah, and then I'll be in there for six years.

Sure, ah, that's why you got Starlink, right?

Wait, do the rockets have Wi-Fi?

Uh, yeah, although you're, because the speed of light actually becomes an issue.

Um, if you start getting far away from Earth.

Um, so in rough terms, at closest approach, Mars is four light minutes away from Earth.

Okay, and furthest approach, maybe it's like 20 minutes roughly.

Um, so that means there could be times where like a round trip to communicate with Mars takes 40 minutes.

Best case is gonna be eight minutes-ish.

That's not crazy.

How do you make sure people are repopulating?

You mean of Earth or Mars?

Mars.

I don't know.

Hopefully they do have a lot of kids.

Sex.

Yeah, yeah, hopefully they have a lot of kids on Mars.

Yeah, what would the laws be like?

I know it's like a whole new place.

Banned condoms.

What about the currency too?

You should make 69 laws.

Yeah, exactly.

Oh my, imagine Elon making the laws.

That would be awesome.

He's working on it.

If you're the first one there, you get that.

There's so many, you get that authority, right?

I don't know.

I mean, I just think it's like important that we make life multi-planetary while still possible to do so.

Because we just can't count on, we can't count on humanity being able to make life multi-planetary forever.

Like I said, that window of opportunity, it could be open for a long time, could be open for a short time.

But we should assume that it's open for a short time.

So just, you know, to be safe, I think we should assume the window of opportunity is short.

And you know, at some point there's going to be a third world war, you know?

Yeah, of course.

Uh, yeah, you know, and after World War III, uh, you know, who knows what's left after World War III?

Um, I think that's what nuclear warfare could, um, so there's arguably this like, you know, the cycle is this race between do we become a multi-planet species or World War III?

Which one is first?

And if World War III is first, then maybe we never get to another planet.

You know, [ __ ] yeah.

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Salim's not sleeping tonight.

A lot of the information, man, you're saying that.

Yeah, I'm probably not gonna sleep.

Yeah, it's already interesting with a lot of things that you've been saying.

It's really, really interesting.

It seems like it's scary, but like it seems like World War III, nuclear war could happen anytime.

Yeah, you gotta live in reality, right?

Under that assumption, do we have a secret rocket that's ready to go to send people to Mars just in case?

Nope.

No, yeah, just gotta get a boxable in the middle of nowhere, right?

I mean, SpaceX, we're trying to hustle with the rocket and get it, get it working.

But we, you know, we're going to make it, we got to get to orbit in the first place.

And then we got to make it reusable, like so that's really important.

Um, if rockets are expandable, then the cost is crazy.

Yeah, um, so you got to have to be reusable like an airplane.

Like, you know, it comes back, you re-fuel it and go again type of thing.

How much of the rocket can you reuse?

Well, Starship, the whole thing is designed to be reused.

Really?

Holy [ __ ] that's crazy.

If Starship will really be quite a big breakthrough, if it's the first fully reusable rocket, orbital rocket.

I mean, that's a profound breakthrough.

The destiny of humanity will fundamentally change at the point of which Starship demonstrates full and rapid reusability.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but SpaceX is the first that made the reusable rocket, right?

Like NASA, no one ever fully usable.

Yeah, fully reusable.

Well, I mean, the space shuttle was partially reusable.

Um, you know, the orbiter, the aircraft looking thing came back, but the big external tank, the, you know, big orange tank, which was also the primary airframe or the like the prime primary load bearing structure to which the solid rocket boosters attached, that did not come back, which is very expensive.

Yes, they thought it wouldn't be expensive, but it turned out to be very expensive.

Um, so the shuttle also, the parts of the shuttle that were reusable were very difficult to reuse.

So, um, like the orbiter, the aircraft looking thing, um, that took a lot of effort to refurbish between flights.

And the solar rocket booster shells, it's not clear that those error made sense to reuse.

Um, so the thing that matters is, is full and rapid reusability.

Um, but like basically where you don't do anything between flights except refill the tanks.

Um, now with Falcon 9, um, what SpaceX has done with Falcon 9 that's notable is that Falcon 9 is the first case where reusability actually made any sense.

Like where the reusability was, um, you know, economically sensible.

Um, so the Falcon 9 boosters, we've reflown those a lot at this point.

We've landed them a lot, like over a hundred times.

And individual boosters have flown, I think, 13 times at this point.

And the nose cone or the fairing, we've gotten the fairing back now over 100 times.

So we've achieved reusability of everything except the upper stage with Falcon 9.

And we've demonstrated economically viable reusability.

So that's the most significant thing that SpaceX has done.

Now the Starlink global internet system will also be very significant.

Um, and that is intended to generate enough revenue to pay for the Mars missions.

So if, with assuming Starlink is successful, it should generate enough revenue to pay for enough ships to get humanity to Mars and the Moon as well.

Um, yeah, a lot of knowledge, man, it's crazy.

Yeah, so that's the intent.

Um, really like we had a long way to go, so it's not like so likes in the bag or anything.

So either we get to Mars or if Putin gets out of hand, we send Elon in to Walrusom.

Yeah, we got the Dana White connect, we can make it happen.

Yeah, the Walrus, I think that's probably our best channel.

Yeah, I think we're good, Elon.

We really appreciate this.

I mean, you're so much the best.

It's been a blast.

Yeah, we really appreciate it.

Yeah, it's good hanging out.

You want to go?

Thank you.

Thank you, really appreciate it.

Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

Great conversation.

Great, yeah, great question.

That was like three hours, that was crazy.

Watch him come compete with the new Zelter.

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