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Our research shows that your thoughts can make you sick. The question is, if your thoughts could make you sick, can your thoughts make you well? That's absolutely possible, and it's easy to learn.
So when you wake up in the morning, Dr. Joe Dispenza, researcher and best-selling author, one of the most sought-after speakers in the world, aims to help people better understand and unlock the power of their mind.
I'm concerned about the human species. Why? Because 75 to 90% of every person that goes to a healthcare facility goes because of psychological or emotional stress. It gets addictive to people; they need the bad relationship, a bad job, in order to feel.
There's so much research to show that when they analyze their life within some disturbing emotion, we saw that they were actually making the brain worse. But 50% of that story isn't even the truth. People are reliving a miserable life they never even had just to excuse themselves from changing.
You can't wait for your wealth to feel success. You can't wait for your new relationship to feel love. But 95% of who we are by the age of 35 is programmed.
Yeah, but there is a way to change. The model of change is breaking the habit of the old self and reinventing a new self. If you teach people how to do that in seven days, you can see very significant changes.
So try this out as an experiment. First thing you have to do is... Dr. Joe, you're someone that's constantly doing research and developing new ideas about the way humans are and the way the universe is. What are the beliefs in your head that you're too scared to share?
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Dr. Joe, 95% of who we are by the age of 35 is programmed. When I read that in your work, it kind of hit me like a ton of bricks because I just turned 30. If what you're saying there is true, without realizing it, there's a puppet master that sits above me that's calling the shots in a way that I don't think I've realized. Is that true?
I think if we define a habit as a redundant set of automatic, unconscious thoughts, behaviors, and emotions that's acquired through repetition, the habit is when you've done something so many times that your body now knows how to do it better than your conscious mind. Then it's programmed subconsciously.
So then when the body knows how to do it better than the conscious mind, for the most part, the greatest habit we have to break is the habit of being ourselves.
Right? So there's a principle in neuroscience that says that nerve cells that fire together wire together. If you keep thinking the same way, if you keep making the same choices, if you keep doing the same things, if you keep reproducing the same experiences and feeling the same emotions, your biology begins to become hardwired. In a sense, it becomes programmed.
So in order to change something, to arrive at a new vision of your future, if you wanted to arrive at a new goal or new vision of your future, you'd have to change something about yourself in order to get there. You'd have to change the way you think, the way you act, and the way you feel.
When you begin to become conscious of those unconscious thoughts, so conscious that you don't let them slip by your awareness unnoticed or unchecked by you, if you catch yourself speaking in a limited way or you become conscious that you're behaving in a certain way in habit and can notice or pay attention to how you're feeling, then you're no longer the program.
Now your consciousness is observing the program. You're only unconscious when you're in the program. So to change then is to become so conscious that you don't go unconscious again. In a sense, that is consciousness. That is really the puppet master that decides who we want to be.
I think the biggest problem is that people lose their free will to a set of programs. Their body is basically programmed into a predictable future based on what they've done in the past.
So to change then, to change that habituation takes an enormous amount of energy, an enormous amount of awareness.
Why is this operating system, this program, useful? Because I look at everything that I do, and from doing this podcast and speaking to experts, I've stopped thinking that my body is against me. I've started to realize that there's a reason for these things. There's a reason for the habits and patterns.
So why is this useful? Because it seems to be working against me in so many ways.
Well, first of all, when we look closely at certain habits, whether you can ride a bicycle, whether you can speak a language, whether you can snowboard, when you first learn any of those things, it takes an enormous amount of conscious awareness to get your body to do what your mind is intending.
But if you keep doing it over and over again, then the body begins to economize it in some way. We have a lot of things that we can do automatically or unconsciously or subconsciously that allow us to multitask, to drive your car, to talk on the phone, to do several different things at the same time.
So a habit isn't a bad thing; they can work for you or they can work against you. The problem is if you're, as an example, complaining and blaming and making excuses and feeling sorry for yourself and judging other people, and you practice that, you get really good at whatever you practice.
You practice that enough times that you're unconscious to the fact that you're doing it. The moment you become conscious that you want to change that, you're going to be uncomfortable. It's going to feel unfamiliar. It's going to feel some degree of uncertainty. You're leaving kind of familiar known territory and you're stepping into the unknown.
Many people, when they want to change a habit, have to be willing to be uncomfortable to do it. But habits can work for us. There's a lot of great habits that you and I both have that I would never want to change or would want to evolve in some way.
But then there's a lot of habits that don't serve us. A person really wants to set a vision of the future, whatever that is, and they just have to agree that in order to arrive at that vision, they have to change in order to get there.
Someone said to me that there's a certain type of behavior pattern that we can't change. They said when we get trauma under the age of 10, things that happen at a very early age, some of those things cannot be changed.
And then there are things that happen later in life that can be rewired and changed. Is that true? Are there some traumas or behavior patterns that just appear to be too stubborn and too resistant to change?
If you asked me that question just a few years ago, I probably would have had a different answer than I do today. Because if you look at a lot of the work that we're studying in terms of human change and human transformation, we've seen people with really difficult pasts, really brutal pasts, that were abused and traumatized at a very early age, and then repeated traumas that took place in people's lives.
They had night terrors, they couldn't be in relationships, they had social anxiety, they had a lot of health conditions. We've seen them completely change, completely change to be happy people again, to free themselves from the past.
So I would never put a limitation on change because I just don't think you can really predict that. I think many people that are learning how to change and they understand what they're doing and why they're doing it, the how gets easier.
I think for the most part, people can change all kinds of things. And when they do change, our research shows that their brain changes, their heart rate changes, their gene expression changes.
There are thousands of metabolites that are being released into their bloodstream that weren't there prior. There's a host of different changes that take place biologically that kind of support the person's transformation.
Is there a specific transformation that sticks in your mind as being the clearest evidence that you should never write off someone's ability to transform?
Wow, I'm so pleased to tell you that my beliefs have been challenged just in the last two years in witnessing so many different changes in people's health that I never knew was even possible.
You know, everything from stage four cancers that were in a very progressed state that metastasized to organs and tissues and bones in the body, a complete reversal in that health condition. Not once, not twice, not three times; we've seen it many times.
We've seen people that were blind, that have had ALS, that have lupus, that have MS, that have Parkinson's disease, that have spinal cord injuries, that have strokes, PTSD, myasthenia gravis, cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy.
We had a woman that had her thyroid surgically removed, and I know this is difficult even for me to accept, and grew a new thyroid back. You know, we have the medical evidence for that.
So I don't know any longer what the limit is. I think there's something really cool happening in the world when people believe in themselves. And when you believe in yourself, you have to believe in possibility.
When you believe in possibility, you have to believe in yourself. So when somebody has the opportunity, and I think a story is... there's nothing better than a story.
When someone stands on a stage in front of 2,000 people and talks about their journey to heal themselves from a chronic health condition, and it's not always pretty. They lose things; they lose family, they sometimes lose their careers, they get sick before they get better.
You see this person's persistence, and you see that they were not doing the work, their inward work to heal. They were doing the work to change.
If they understood, if they truly changed, that their biology should change, and they were uncompromising every day in showing up for themselves and staying conscious of their unconscious self, and then reprogramming themselves in some way, and they tell that story, it's the four-minute mile.
It's somebody breaking through a level of consciousness or unconsciousness, and the collective that's observing the example of truth, they're actually relating with that person in a way that causes them to examine possibility differently.
When you become conscious of a new possibility, a change in consciousness is a change in awareness. Right? So now it's in the collective.
Lo and behold, it's not uncommon. We just had this happen in our week-long event in Denver just a little over a week ago, two weeks ago. We had six people stand up out of a wheelchair by the end of the event.
Now, I wasn't expecting that, but one person that had MS in the middle of the week had a very profound experience. A professional athlete, an NFL football player, stood up for the audience.
When he stood up, he said, "I thought I was going to a yoga retreat. I thought my brother was taking me to a yoga retreat." Then he said, "I just never loved myself."
It was his act of change that somehow changed his health condition. He somehow upregulated genes in different ways, suppressed the genes for MS, and somehow he was more mobile. He was walking by the end of the event, and he was the magic number one.
When everybody saw that, the audience was excited. We started seeing other people have a similar experience. Now that possibility is becoming more of a reality for people.
So I would always... I never limit what could actually happen. But I can tell you that what an amazing time right now to witness people really doing the uncommon.
When you recited that story, I could see the emotion in your face as you say it. I can only imagine, with the information that you have and the beliefs you have about healing, change, transformation, the sense of urgency you must carry, and the sense of responsibility, I guess, you must carry knowing what's possible.
Yeah, well, I do feel responsible for always keeping the information based in science and as pure as possible. I feel it's really important to do the research that we're doing.
I mean, we've studied so much from a scientific standpoint the process of change and the process of transformation and what meditation actually can do for a person in terms of their biology.
Some of the changes that we're seeing just in seven days, my responsibility really is to give people my greatest understanding of the truth and numerous opportunities to experience it. Nothing more.
You know, there is a way to inspire people into possibility. We combine different models of science, whether it's quantum physics or neuroscience or neuroendocrinology or psychoneuroimmunology, the mind-body connection, epigenetics, electromagnetism.
All of these sciences allow people to understand themselves better. If knowledge is power, knowledge about yourself is self-empowerment. You can empower people to do something with it.
So the more you understand what you're doing in the process of change, the more you understand why you're doing it, as I said, the how gets easier.
We now know that if you give people sound scientific information, and that is the contemporary language of mysticism, and they can learn that information, they're basically making new circuits in their brain.
That's what learning is. Learning is forging new synaptic connections. But if you don't review what you learn, if you don't repeat it, it's so much easier to forget it than to remember it.
So you've got to repeat it over and over again. We allow people in our workshops to then begin to turn and teach it back to somebody. They have to really explain it.
If they can't explain it, it's not wired in their brain, and something's going to be left to conjecture, to superstition, to dogma, to spirituality. That's not the result we want.
We want them to use science as that model. If they can explain that model and remind themselves what they've learned, reproduce the same level of mind.
Nerve cells that fire together wire together, so they begin to install the neurological hardware in their brain by teaching others.
Yeah, exactly. So that they are prepared for an experience. If that information is installed in their brain, that philosophy, that theory, that knowledge and information, and now they can remember it, and they have that model of understanding, and they understand what they're doing and why they're doing it, if we can set up the conditions in the environment and give them the proper instruction, if they can get their behaviors to match their intentions, if they can get their actions equal to their thoughts, if they can get their mind and body working together, they're going to have a new experience.
Now experience enriches circuitry in the brain. That's what experience does. The moment those neurons begin to string into place, another part of the brain makes a chemical, and that chemical is called a feeling or an emotion.
The moment you feel unlimited, the moment you feel grateful, the moment you feel empowered, the moment you feel whole, now you're teaching your body chemically to understand what your mind has intellectually understood.
The information is just not in the brain; now the information is literally in the body, and now you're embodying the truth of that knowledge, of that philosophy, of that theory.
So then you're teaching your body and instructing your body chemically to understand what your mind has intellectually understood.
Okay, so then that information that's coming as a new experience is changing your biology in some way, and we've actually shown this.
So then if you've done it once, then it means you should be able to do it again. The idea is to be able to repeat an experience. If you can repeat it over and over again, both neurologically and chemically, neurochemically, you can condition your mind and body to begin to work as one.
When you can do it so many times that your body now knows how to do it better than your conscious mind, it's innate in you.
So I want to map out this process so that I make sure I understand it. It starts with the neurology, which I heard is a thought, which you then ingrain in your mind by teaching it to someone else. Is that accurate?
Well, the first thing you have to do is you got to give people information. Yeah, and science is probably the closest to the truth in terms of information.
When your brain is exposed to information and you're present and you're paying attention, those neurons begin to connect. That's what learning is. Learning is forging new synaptic connections.
Nobel Prize researcher Eric Kandel, in the year 2000, said that if you learned one bit of information and you paid attention to that information for about an hour, you would double the number of connections in your brain as a result of your interaction with that information.
But if you don't review it, if you don't repeat it, if you don't think about it, the circuits prune apart. Right? So if learning is making new synaptic connections, remembering is maintaining and sustaining them.
So it's so much easier to forget this information than to remember it. So you learn it once, and I got a person's head nodding. Then they turn to the person next to them and say, "Let me try this out."
Let me see if I can repeat it. Between the two of them, they exchange that information, and they start to build a model of understanding.
Ah, I understand. I got that. Okay, then we advance the information a little bit more, and they're adding new stitches into the three-dimensional tapestry of their gray matter.
They have to remind themselves what they've learned, reproduce that same level of mind. Mind is the brain in action. As you install those neurological circuits in your brain, then now you're prepared.
It's the forerunner to the experience. You're prepared for the experience. So give the proper instruction, get your body involved, get involved in the process.
The experience then causes circuits to become more enriched. That's what experience does. And then it makes a chemical, and that chemical is called a feeling or an emotion.
The stronger the emotion you feel from the experience, the more you remember it. And what is that experience? What abundance, health, wholeness, success, a new relationship, a new career, a new life, whatever the person's vision is.
Whatever that vision that person wants to arrive at in the future, and to actually go from the thought of that vision to the actual experience of it. The distance between that thought and that experience is called time.
So if we can teach people to shorten the distance between the thought of what they want and the experience of having it, then they start believing more that they're the creator of their life.
What would you say to somebody that doesn't think thoughts matter that much?
I would say 95% of the world plus, or maybe more, 99% of the world plus sees thoughts as something that we are. You know, it's my head talking; it's me talking in my head. And as long as I don't act on those thoughts, they're inconsequential.
I would say then that's their truth. Is it their truth? I don't know. But for me, my thoughts do matter. I think every thought that you have makes a chemical, and you can have thoughts that make you feel good and thoughts that make you feel bad.
I think that if 90% of the thoughts that we think are the same thoughts as the day before, the same thoughts lead to the same choices. The same choices lead to the same behaviors. The same behaviors will create the same experiences, and the same experiences produce the very same emotions.
Those same emotions influence a person's very same thoughts, and their biology, their neurocircuitry, their neurochemistry, their hormones, and even their gene expression stays the same because they're staying the same.
There's nothing wrong with that, but I do think that if you think differently and you learn new information and you have new thoughts, if you can make new choices and demonstrate new behaviors and create new experiences and arrive at new goals and feel new emotions, I would say that's evolution.
I think that people really, really secretly believe in themselves on some level. I think being defined by a vision of the future or really always dreaming of another great experience is a great reason to wake up in the morning.
I've had lots of conversations with very smart people on this podcast from multiple disciplines, you know, psychiatrists, psychologists, athletes, health practitioners, and they've given me such great advice, which is irrefutable scientific advice on so many areas of my life.
For some reason, there are still areas of my life that I still can't act upon that advice. I think probably for most of my listeners who've heard great advice on this podcast and they think, "Yes, that's who I want to be."
I have an intention to stop eating sugar at 1:00 a.m. at night, or I have an intention to become organized or to be this kind of friend or partner. They have the information, right? But there's something that stands in the way of me doing something about that information on a regular basis.
Yeah, well, I can give you a few answers for that. Unfortunately, it normally takes crisis, trauma, disease, diagnosis, betrayal, loss. The person has to reach that lowest denominator where nothing's making that feeling go away.
They don't have to, but this is human. This is the human condition. This is the moment where they don't feel like returning the texts. They don't feel like going to dinner and seeing the same people. They don't feel like watching the same television show any longer.
The sports car, the wardrobe, none of that is making this feeling go away. This is a moment of reckoning for the soul. This is really when you could actually see yourself through the eyes of someone else because you don't feel like yourself anymore.
That's the moment where people begin to change. They can see how they've been thinking. They can notice how they've been acting. They could pay attention or become aware of how they've been feeling for the last 20 years.
That idea in neuroscience is called metacognition. That's the moment you're no longer the program.
Now what we believe and what we've seen, and what I think is a much better approach, is being defined by a vision of the future. If you understood that you could actually elevate your state without anyone or anything every single day and hold whatever that intention of your future is, it takes a coherent brain to do that.
Feel the emotion of your future before it happens. You can't wait for your wealth to feel success. You can't wait for abundance. You can't wait for your new relationship to feel love.
You can't wait for the mystical experience to feel awe or your healing to feel whole or grateful. That's kind of the old model of reality of cause and effect, waiting for something out there to change to take away this emptiness, this lack that I feel in here.
You teach people then they could elevate their state, and we teach that model through meditation. They can combine that clear intention with an elevated emotion and teach them how to make that heart of theirs more coherent.
If they do that properly, then they'll live their life feeling like their future has already happened. Now from that elevated state, instead of that self-limited state, they can become as conscious of that unconscious self as they could if they were at that limited and being defined by that vision of the future, getting up every day inspired by it and not letting any person, any circumstance, anything in our life remove us from that vision.
That would be a day well-lived.
So then most people then have that vision of the future, but they give up on that vision because in order for them to arrive at that vision, they have to do something. They have to think differently. They have to act differently. They have to feel differently.
It's so much easier to make the same choice every single day. The hardest part about change is not making the same choice as you did the day before.
The moment you decide to make a different choice, you're going to feel uncomfortable because you're stepping from the known into the unknown. Some people would rather cling to their self-pity than take a chance on possibility.
They'd rather tell the story of their past instead of telling the story of their future. They'd rather believe in their past instead of believe in their future.
It's so much more important, though, to romance your future instead of romance your past. I think if people understood that they could actually arrive at it, I think many people have done this already in their life.
I think everybody at least once in their life has done something great. When they did something great, they just made up their mind, and they made a decision in that moment to do something or to change with such firm intention that the amplitude of energy in making that choice caused their body to respond to their mind.
The choice that they were making to change became a moment in time that they would never forget. The stronger the emotion they felt in order to change, the more they remembered the choice.
We could say then that they're giving their body a taste of the future emotionally, and they're literally aligning to that destiny.
We discovered that if you keep doing that every day, somehow you'll arrive at that destiny, and your biology will literally begin to change to look like you're living in a different life.
What are some of the biggest myths relating to behavior change and, I guess, character and personality change that hold people back?
Probably belief. I think in so many ways that a belief is an unconscious process. A belief is a thought you keep thinking over and over again until it's hardwired in your brain.
Most beliefs are based on past experiences, and so many people have a belief about something that has to change in order for them to arrive at a new place in their life.
What we discovered a lot of times with people in this work is that when they say, for example, they were healing from a health condition, sometimes they would do their meditations three times in one day.
I asked them why three times, and they said because I stopped believing. When I caught myself no longer believing in it, I had to sit down and change my belief again.
In other words, they had to get up believing more in their future instead of believing less in it, and they have to change their state of being to do that.
So I think that's a limitation. I also think that consciously we're always waiting for something out there in our life to change so that we can change or feel the relief of the lack of what we don't have.
I do think that's kind of a limited model of reality. I think when you start changing inside of you and you start seeing the changes happening outside of you, you go from being a victim in your life to being a creator of your life.
I think that when that occurs, then all of a sudden it's no longer a have to; it's something that you want to do. You actually don't want the magic to end in your life.
So now you become a work in progress by investing in yourself. When you invest in yourself, you invest in your future.
There is probably a chronic disbelief that many of us have that we're not creators of our life, and that only when we get the parking space or something good happens to us do we believe that we're the creator of our life.
But imagine a world where everybody actually took responsibility in being the creator of their life and no longer the victim of their life. I think we would see a dramatic shift in consciousness that makes people feel uncomfortable.
This idea of personal responsibility is quite a... it's almost become quite a controversial idea. The idea that we are the creator of our lives because then I have to accept responsibility for all the bad things that happened.
Dave dumped me, I got fired from work, someone bumped into my car and it hurt my neck. Well, maybe that happened by default. Maybe that happened by not creating.
Maybe you were just left to the randomness of reality, that maybe you're not creating. The fact that you're not creating, you're left to the effects of your environment actually controlling you, controlling your feelings and thoughts.
By creating, what you mean by creating is...
Well, if you woke up every morning and you truly made time to think like this: "Okay, if my personality creates my personal reality, and my personality is made up of how I think, how I act, and how I feel, if I want to create a new personal reality, a new life, I'm going to have to change my personality."
Most people try to create a new reality, a new personal reality, as the same personality, and it doesn't work. We literally have to become someone else.
So if you said, "Okay, let me not default and go unconscious to that 95% of who I am that's programmed. Let me become so conscious of the way I think. Let me become so aware of how I'm going to act today.
Let me decide what emotions keep me connected to my past and bring me to a lower level, a lower level of energy. Let me not go unconscious."
Then if you said, "Okay, a belief is just the thought I keep thinking over and over again. What thoughts do I want to fire and wire in my brain?"
With attention and with intention, begin to familiarize yourself with a new way of thinking. Meditation means to become familiar with.
If you keep firing and wiring those circuits, you're going to begin to install the hardware. Repeat it enough times, and it becomes a software program that could be the new voice in your head that says, "I can. It is possible."
If you said, "Okay, when did I fall from grace yesterday? When did I lose it? Oh my gosh, it was with at work, with my co-workers, with my ex, with my enemy, with the news, with traffic."
Acting this way is not going to make me happy. If I had another opportunity, how would I do it?
If you could close your eyes and rehearse in your mind mentally how you're going to behave in certain situations...
I'll give you a specific one. Anyone. So I'll give you the specific one where late at night, on occasion, I've eaten things that I really regret eating.
Also, another one that I'm trying to work hard on is I can be very messy when I travel, so my hotel room can look like a mess. I don't like that about myself, and I don't know why I do it.
But it's almost like you talk about being unconscious. I'm clearly not thinking about it, but that's part of the problem. It's the same with the bloody sugar, midnight eating, ordering things that are... and then feeling instant guilt 10 seconds after I've put it in my mouth.
Well, it may be that on some level, you could actually be addicted to the guilt, not to the sugar. You return to the same emotional state that allows that action to reoccur.
So if you said, "Let me decide how I am going to act, what I'm not going to do," and you rehearsed it, the research on mental rehearsal says your brain will look like you already did it.
You'll be so present that the brain won't know the difference between what you're imagining and what is real. The brain will begin to change to look like the experience has already happened.
Now you're priming your brain for that behavior.
Keep rehearsing it.
Rehearsing it is one of these great ideas in neuroscience where you can actually install circuits in your brain.
Right? So everybody has done this. Musicians do it; they're playing a song in their mind all the time. Athletes do it; they're always going over their moves. Dancers do it;
Um, probably between 10 and 11.
Okay, is that not enough sleep for you?
Huh, well, no, that is. I think I actually measure my sleep, and I look at it every day. That's part of the reason I'm dragged out of bed. But yeah, for me, 4 in the morning, 5 in the morning is a really great time. I just, I've just conditioned my body that way.
Um, that's the time. And I spend a little time remembering what I'm doing. What am I doing? What are you doing in this meditation? Why are you doing this meditation? What are you about to do? I like to just get myself in my think box, organizing what am I not going to think about, what am I going to stay away from, what am I not going to do in my meditation?
I review that. What am I going to do? When I get that all worked out, then I get in my play box. In my play box, there's no thinking. I've got all the thinking done in my think box. My play box, it's really about me changing my state.
And so, um, I allow for two hours every morning. Doesn't mean I always take it or need it, let me say that. But I allow for two hours. Sometimes I like to just get my mind straight, and then I do the work. I do the work. And, uh, I like to get to that point where when I'm done, I feel like something changed.
Do the work.
Yeah, what does the work look like?
It's meditation. Yeah, it's finding the present moment. It's getting into the unknown. It's getting beyond myself, disconnecting from my body, getting beyond any thought of anyone or anything, getting beyond time, moving beyond space and time.
Turns out when you focus on nothing, there are so many amazing things that happen to your brain. I've seen these scans over and over again.
What have you seen in the scans?
Well, there's this thing in the brain called modularity. And when we're living, uh, by the hormones of stress—and stress is when you can't predict something, when you can't control something, or you have the perception that something's going to get worse—you switch on that fight or flight nervous system.
And the rush of those chemicals causes us to become alert, to become aroused, and we narrow our focus on the material world. And so when you're not able to control everything in your life and you can't predict everything in your life, you start shifting your attention to everyone and everything—every person, every object, every place.
We've all had that experience when we're under stress. And every one of those people, those objects, those things, those places has a neurological network in the brain. So like a lightning storm in the clouds, the brain begins to fire out of order, very incoherently.
It becomes modulated or compartmentalized. It's a house divided against itself, and those individual compartments don't talk to the rest of the brain. We tend to get overfocused. You never notice when you're under stress; you're obsessing about something, you're over-focusing about something, you're overthinking something, you're overanalyzing.
You're driving your brain higher and higher into higher states of arousal, high beta brain wave patterns. We discovered that if you teach a person to go from a narrow focus on something physical, something material, and broaden their focus, open their awareness, and put their attention on space, on nothing, and create what's called a divergent focus, the act of sensing and no longer analyzing, thinking begins to slow the brain waves down from that beta brain wave state to a low-level beta, and then all of a sudden to alpha.
If they keep doing it, sensing space tends to cause those different compartments that were modulated or divided to begin to synchronize. And what syncs in the brain actually links in the brain. So the brain starts firing in a more holistic state.
In other words, every single area of the brain is resonating at the same frequency, and now the brain is functioning as one neurological network instead of individuals. That kind of holism, that kind of order feels really good. It feels really good.
And so people practice slowing their brain waves down not only to get beyond the analytical mind but to cause the brain to fire in a more coherent way. And if we're going to have a clear intention about what we want, the more coherent the brain, the clearer the intention.
So we've seen in seven days, even in four days, these dramatic changes in the levels of coherence and order that take place in the brain. The brain's firing in a more holistic state. That's when the person notices a change in their anxiety and their depression and their PTSD, whatever it is.
There's more order in the brain. And, uh, the act of focusing on nothing and opening your awareness to space creates that kind of amazing change.
Did you set an intention this morning?
I did.
Can you tell me what it is?
Ooh, um, I want to be relaxed and awake. I want to be present with everything that I do. Um, I want to stay in my heart the entire day, and, um, I want to be inspired by, you know, the idea of helping people change.
Do you struggle?
I do, yeah.
What do you struggle with?
Well, now, um, I run a lot of different aspects of my company. I have an events side, uh, we have a product side, we have corporate consulting, we have 250 corporate trainers, uh, we have a vitamin company called Biospy.
We work with remote coherence healers that actually are—we do research, and they're remotely changing people's health. We have a huge research team with the University of California, San Diego.
Uh, we have a lot of players on the team. We have, um, uh, nonprofits. Uh, what else do we have? Um, we have an inner health coalition for physicians and doctors and healthcare practitioners around the world that want to teach a different model.
So I have a lot of different things that I have my hand in. Um, and I think, uh, you know, I'm creative by nature, and I like to be creative. Sometimes I have a lot of obligations in terms of making decisions for 2026, uh, decisions about things that I need to do, uh, documentaries, whatever it is.
And I think I struggle with not having—wanting more time for being creative. And that's kind of the fun part of my job. Whether I look at the data, I see the research, and then I go, "Oh my God, I want to do a meditation now."
I understand how to do this meditation or teach this better. All the information that we're gathering in our research is to teach transformation better. That's why I want to close the gap between knowledge and experience.
So we have billions of data points, and it's a lot of time to look through all that and to learn about it. But if I would choose to do something, I would love to study the research more, love to, uh, do more, teach, um, uh, create more meditations, you know, teach some more unique courses.
And so I think one of my challenges really is to be able to stay creative with everything I have going on in my life. I think everyone that's a high achiever always wishes they could pause time.
I think, um, we're at such a level of growth right now, just, uh, globally. I mean, our events sell out in 10 minutes, you know, 5, 10 minutes, and we have a waiting list of, uh, sometimes 10,000 people. That's a problem, you know?
And I won't give up doing, um, live events, you know? And I think it's—I won't do it online. I think there's something special that happens, uh, in community.
And so I've never met someone who is so mission-driven and doing so well in this department that also isn't paying a personal cost for the mission in some regard or capacity.
Well, I think I've learned a few things over the years about that. And I think one of the great things, number one, is I have an amazing team. I mean, I'm nothing without my team.
Uh, and they're creatives, and they're cool, and they're emotionally intelligent, and they're not nine-to-fivers. They share the same mission with me. They see the same vision. They do it for the same reason. Somehow, they're part of that change and transformation.
Um, so my team, um, uh, is able to allow me to do something really, really unique, and that is to focus on what I love to do more than anything else. So, uh, my team is a super, super huge help for me.
So I think that it's an important element. The other thing that I work on, I think, every day of my life is, uh, to be the example of everything that I teach. I mean, that's important for me because, uh, I want to be—I want to be in the game with everybody.
So when I see transformation, when I see miracles, when I see healings, when I see change, when I see poor people become rich, whatever that is, and I'm a part of that, I think it's really—it humbles me. It really makes me more humble in seeing what's possible for human beings.
And so I never want this work to be about me. I want it to be about you. I want it to be—I want to celebrate your story.
Uh, you know, I want to be there for that person when they open their eyes and were blind, and they're seeing for the first time. I want to be right there. I want to be there. I want to remember that moment, uh, and, and, and her joy.
Um, so for me, I work on being the example, uh, in every way that I can. And, and, and it sometimes requires, um, a lot, you know, extra time to do that.
Yeah, what is the—what is the, um—and this is an interesting use of phrase because I'm saying the word cost as if it's a negative, but I just—I think everyone that's leading a mission, whatever that might be, and really dedicated to that mission in the way that you are, flying around the world, continuing to do it in person, where most people, you know, everyone knows you could just do it online, and you'd probably make more money, to be honest.
You know, there's people that just have moved online post-pandemic. You're giving a level of dedication and personal investment into this mission that must—well, I assume it must come at a personal cost to some degree.
Um, you make sacrifices. Um, you have to sacrifice, uh, relationships at times. You know, sometimes you can't be where you want to be.
Um, but I think that the people in my life that love me understand my mission, uh, and they respect that. Uh, sometimes I'm on six different time zones in four weeks, and, and that's a lot for my body, you know?
But, um, God, watching somebody on the stage just the other day tell the story of how she overcame trifacial neuralgia in one moment in the event. She wanted someone to chop her head off—that's how much pain she had had in her face for years.
One moment she said, "I have no pain." I was the first time I've not had pain in years.
Uh, to me, like, that's worth all the lost luggage, the missed flights, the, uh, the jet lag. That, to me, is worth more than all the gold in the world. I mean, I don't know. It's just so—it's so uncommon, and yet something innate in us wakes up.
Something wakes up in us, uh, when we see that. We, we, we forgot. We forgot, and somehow remember.
So, um, you ask my staff, what is the greatest part of their job? They'll tell you being a part of transformation. Being a part of it. Being a part of that.
So there is a cost, um, always. Uh, and at the same time, I really, I really work on, uh, figuring out ways to do things better.
I mean, uh, I think that's one of the things I love about myself is just learning—learning from my experience, learning from my past. And I think experience is the greatest professor.
And just saying, "Okay, if I had another opportunity, how could we do it differently? How could we serve better? You know, how can we make it easier? What can we do differently?"
And, and again, I just have a great team that's super committed to whether they're running events, whether they're creating logos, whether they're doing a brand, whether they're managing the website, whatever they're, you know, running and composing music with me for meditations, uh, or doing research.
We just have really people that share that same mission. And, and I think, um, changing individuals one by one to somehow make a change in the world, being a part of that's pretty cool.
Was there a cause moment in your life that sent you more so in this direction?
Um, sure. I mean, I got run over by a truck in a triathlon in 1986 in Palm Springs, California. And, um, I broke six vertebrae in my spine, and I had bone fragments on my spinal cord, and I had the neural arch of T8, uh, pressing on the cord.
So, uh, the typical, uh, prognosis for that, you know, is, is, uh, Harrington rod surgery. They put these long stainless steel rods in your spine. So in my case, it would be from the base of my neck to the base of my spine, stabilize the entire spine.
And, um, I just had four opinions from four of the leading surgeons in Southern California, and I was in my 20s, and I just—I just couldn't imagine myself living on, you know, addictive medications or not being able to do whatever I love to do physically.
So I decided not to have the surgery. I just went against the opinions of the experts, and I just thought maybe there's a way that my mind could heal my body.
And so, um, that started my journey, and somehow it worked. So I've been spending the rest of my life studying that.
Had that not happened, do you think you would have gone in a different direction?
Sure, absolutely. Absolutely.
Yeah, what if the worst thing that happened to you was the best thing that happened to you?
I don't know. And that starts this—you create this belief in your mind that you can heal yourself using your mind.
Well, it was kind of crazy because, um, I think when you're faced with crisis, like I in a situation like this, we tend to focus on the worst thing that could happen instead of the best thing that could happen.
And that's because of the hormones of stress and emergency. You always prepare for the worst—better chances of survival if you think about the worst.
So it took an enormous amount of energy for me to stop that, to stop thinking that way and stop feeling that way. Six and a half weeks of a dark night of the soul, I would say, because I couldn't get my brain to do what I wanted it to do.
Even though I theoretically understood it, I just kept defaulting. And, uh, spent hours, and finally, uh, I was able to kind of get control over it.
And then, as soon as I started noticing some changes in my body, that's when I—that's when I just—the moment I started feeling my limbs again and the moment I started noticing I was moving a little better, I knew somehow I was having an effect.
And that's—that's the moment it all changed for me.
Running all these businesses, Joe, and you have such an empire of businesses and projects and people and teams all over the world. How have you managed your relationship with technology?
Because technology is omnipresent in my life.
Yeah, and that's why I say I get dragged out of bed by it, Stephen. I never planned on doing any of this. I never—I never planned on doing any of this.
I mean, all the corporate stuff just came out of a few lectures because there were CEOs and presidents of companies that urged me to create a model for change for companies and organizations. I never wanted to do that.
I never wanted to do inner health coalition with doctors. Just our community, there's an emergent consciousness that says, "Please do that." You know, so we're working on, uh, in the same vein of the same mission, giving people our community, listening to our community, and creating, you know, more of that for people.
I don't have—I don't have any difficulty if it's part of the mission to do any of those things. I think it's, uh, I think if I were just doing my events and, and that's it, and we could just do that, my life would be a whole lot simpler.
But all these other things that we're doing now in terms of—they also bear a lot of fruit. I mean, the research that we're doing right now is—I can say right now, Stephen, that what we're doing is no longer pseudo-science.
I can say that now. It's no longer pseudo-science. I can say that in seven days, your body can make a pharmacy of chemicals that work better than any drug.
I can tell you that one intervention called meditation can change a host of different health conditions. There's no drug that does that.
So if I weigh all those different things that I have to evolve, uh, in some way against the effects it's producing, it's always, for me, worth the effort.
Are you happy?
Yeah.
What does that mean?
Um, that I don't need anyone or anything to make me happy.
That's your definition of happiness?
I think, yeah. I mean, if you have a kind of a freedom of expression without any real limitation, and you're comfortable with you, and you love what you're doing, and you feel good about it, then sure.
I mean, I'm always in the river of change. I'm always looking for blind spots. I'm always working on evolving who I am. I always want to be—I always want to evolve my experience. I always want to look to see if it serves me.
Uh, so, um, do you have sad days?
I have—I have days where I'm overwhelmed by just everything.
And what's—what are the symptoms of that overwhelm?
Um, it takes me a little bit to focus my attention again. Just too many things I have to think about. So I have to take a little time and get, get, uh, centered and organized.
But do I have sad days? I don't know. Sad? I don't really know sad, but, uh, kind of a days where I'm, um, kind of introspective, uh, without needing much emotion.
Yeah, I have those days.
Yeah.
If this were to be your last day on Earth, Joe, wow, and there was just a central message that the millions of people, you know, that could be listening right now, you felt that they needed to hear that would serve them the best and serve us collectively the best, what might that central message be?
It's important for people to believe in themselves. I think it's really important for people to remember that they're the creators on some level, uh, and they have a hand in creating in their life, and that, uh, possibility is something that they should always keep their mind open to.
I think that we're greater than we think, we're more powerful than we know, more unlimited than we could ever dream.
Do you realize how many people you've helped?
Um, gosh, I don't know. I don't know.
Maybe you must be moved by the feedback you get because I was reading through testimonials and messages and all the top comments and stuff, and it's really, really profound stuff, you know?
And I—it's hard to imagine a world where that doesn't touch, you know? It sits with you for better or for worse.
You know, people stop me a lot of times, and I'll be somewhere, and they'll say, "Hey, I know you hear this a lot, but, um, you really helped me," or "You really changed my life."
And I always say to them, I never—I never get tired of, of the story. It's the feedback for me that, uh, inspires me to keep doing what I'm doing.
So I love the stories. I—I love to hear them, and it, uh, it challenges many times my own belief about what's possible.
So, um, yeah, I think I—I'm—I love to celebrate that with people.
This next chapter of your life is successful if we sit here 10 years from now, and you say, "Steve, that was a fantastic decade for you." What would have happened in that decade for you to say that?
Gosh, um, we would publish a lot of papers that show, um, how powerful people really are.
Um, we would have our own research center where we could do even further studies on cancer, on, uh, all different chronic health conditions.
Uh, we were studying the effects of healing on others, and we have really profound data on that as well.
Um, I think that the conversation in healthcare and medicine could change on some level. I mean, the conversations that I'm having with researchers and physicians are not the same conversations I was having just two years ago, especially when they look at our data.
They, they kind of fall out of their chair. I mean, it's—I mean, as an example, a drug study is about 25% causality. One in four responds, and it's usually, you know, 60 days, 90 days, a year before you see a change.
Our data is between 75 and 85% causality. That means eight out of 10 people are getting a response, and they're not taking anything—no exogenous substance.
In other words, their nervous system is producing a pharmacy of chemicals that works better than any drug, right?
So I think the conversation around emotional regulation and emotional health, uh, could change. That's something that I'm interested in.
I think meditation could be something that is a way of life for more people to be healthier and to be happier and to be more whole.
Uh, I mean, when I started this journey, Steph, you couldn't even say meditation in public. You couldn't even—couldn't say it in certain organizations, corporations, government agencies. It was not allowed.
Right now, it's sexy. Now it's cool, right?
Um, so demystifying that process because there's so many colloquialisms and slangs and idioms that have to do with meditation. Demystifying that process, you know?
We don't teach any traditional meditation. We don't teach anything that's based on culture or religion. We teach meditation based on the data we see, based on the brain scans, based on the HRVs, based on the data that we're collecting.
We know the—we know the words now. We know the music. We know the timing. We know a lot of things, uh, in terms of transformation that has helped us in so many ways.
So what do you think is going to become sexy in 10 years from now that's not sexy now?
Like meditation?
God, I hope it's not AI. I hope it's not—I hope it's not AI. I hope it's, uh, something that has to do with the human spirit.
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Much of your work is now trying to bring people together in 3D, and I saw this, um, as I was on your website earlier on today. I was looking at some of your upcoming initiatives. One in particular was this walk that you're doing, which I found really, really interesting.
Um, this is the first-ever global walk that will take place on Saturday, September the 23rd, 20, um, 23 this year.
Um, all the details are at walkfortheworld.com, so www.walkfortheworld.com. And I was reading about why you're doing this. The words community came up, the words illusion of separation came up.
Yeah, I think, you know, if you study the peace gathering projects that have been done, peer-reviewed articles of peace gathering projects, when people come into a community, they meditate on peace, city crime rates go down, violence goes down, car crashes, car accidents go down, economic growth goes up.
Somehow there's a change in the collective. But when the meditation ends and the peace gathering ends, the crime rate returns back to the same—the, you know, the car accidents and the violence return back to the same ceiling value as it was before.
It's not enough to just, uh, pray. It's time to be the prayer, right?
So walking meditation we do in our community, and we do a lot of them because you got to be able to walk as it—you got to be able to do it with your eyes open. Doing it with your eyes closed is a practice so you can do it with your eyes open, so you can demonstrate it, demonstrate peace, demonstrate love, demonstrate, um, change for the world.
And so, uh, the walking meditations—there's four types of meditations. There's seated meditation; we do a lot of that, and that's traditional.
There's a standing and walking meditation, and there's a lying down meditation. We teach all of those, but the standing and walking meditation is a great way to stand up for the world and decide if I change and have enough of us change, we could actually change the world.
So meditation starts with our eyes closed, standing up with our eyes closed, and getting into an altered state. Music changes; we open our eyes and we walk as that change.
We embody that change. We live that change. We think about what we're going to leave behind for a new world. What if I change? What would be? Could I—am I part of the whole? Could I affect the whole?
And so a person walks for a period of time, they stop again, they close their eyes, they recalibrate, they get back in that feeling, they open their eyes, and they walk again.
And so walking meditation is a great way for, uh, thousands and thousands of people from around the world to walk for change in the world.
And, and we have such compelling data about collective networks of observers with brain and heart coherence that somehow when you have a random event generator in our ballrooms and people change their state and they have an intention, that random events become less random and more intentional.
In other words, a machine that's programmed to toss a coin a thousand times a second, multiple times a second—the more you toss a coin, the more you're going to get 50/50, right?
So if you have a machine in the room and nobody's in the room, you see just kind of this line stay right around the 50/50 mark.
But when you fill that room with people and they change their state and they have an intention, all of a sudden you see that line break way out of normal.
And a programmed machine that's normally flipping zeros and ones starts behaving very differently. It tells us that collective networks begin to determine reality, and it's not the number of people; it's not the amount of energy. You got to have entropic energy; it's the most coherent group of people.
So if we come together on one day—and this will be one of many walks—you leave everything behind. Bring your family, bring your friends, bring your co-workers, bring your neighbors. You never have to have done a meditation before. We'll guide people through it.
Uh, we'll give them the MP3 file, and, um, we have just over 800 or 900 cities now from around the world, uh, that are from people from around the world that are participating, and the numbers are growing.
So we don't know where it'll go, but it's our first, uh, attempt to just say if we just could move the needle one degree and off that trajectory, off that timeline, just in another timeline, then it served its purpose.
So, um, yeah, we're excited about it. It's the first one, and hopefully we'll do, uh, some more. I'll put all the details below wherever you're listening to this so you can check it out.
Is it—I was wondering as you were speaking, Joe, I was asking myself, you're someone that's constantly doing research and developing new ideas and hypotheses about the world and the way humans are and the way the universe is.
Do there exist beliefs in your head that you're too scared to share?
You mean beliefs that I have that are from experience or beliefs that I have that I'm—that are conjectures?
Either, both.
Yeah, I have a very strong belief that, um, the probability of us seeing the truth and reality is zero. I think that we perceive less than 1% of reality.
The brain is missing out on a lot of data, and I think that we should never exclude ourselves from the unknown. You know, I think there's a whole part of the unknown self that we're unaware of that I think exists beyond linear time and space.
And I do believe that it's real, and, and you don't know what that is?
Oh, I do.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a realm beyond space and time that I think, uh, you know, your eye right now is perceiving a very small spectrum of frequency, visible light. It's a very tiny slice in the electromagnetic spectrum.
And that visible light—red, orange, yellow, blue, green, indigo, violet—is actually, uh, bouncing off of the slowest and most stable form of energy called matter, and that gives us this perception of separation, right?
Well, that small spectrum is less than 1% of what we actually can perceive. So I think that our senses plug us into reality, into three-dimensional reality, but I think there are realities that exist beyond space and time that we're unaware of that we can tap into.
Yeah, yeah, I do. And I think there are latent systems in the brain that, once activated, allow the brain to transduce that energy, that frequency, into profound, uh, information.
The psychedelics—drugs work in that way. I think psychedelics, uh, give a person a perception of reality that's beyond three-dimensional reality.
We're discovering that the nervous system makes its own pharmacy of psychedelics. In fact, we have really recent data that shows that, um, many people that have a mystical experience in our work that have fMRIs, uh, look like they're on psilocybin.
Yeah, and yet your nervous system is making that, that, uh, natural chemical endogenously.
And how were those mystical experiences triggered?
I'll give you the short version. Um, there's a tiny little gland in the back of your brain called the pineal gland, and the pineal gland has tiny little crystals inside of it that are stacked up on top of each other, rhombohedron in shape.
And that little tiny gland acts like a radio receiver for electromagnetic frequencies. And when those crystals can become activated, uh, like a radio receiver, they can pick up frequencies that are beyond your senses—the quantum—and they can transduce.
It's called a transducer. It can transduce that frequency, like a TV antenna, into profound imagery, a very full-on sensory experience without your senses.
Interesting.
Explains a lot.
Explains a lot. My girlfriend always talks to me about the pineal gland and DMT and, you know, and the power of everything you've just described.
I just want to remain open-minded because being closed-minded at any point in my life is not conducive with progress and growth.
So my, um, desire in doing this podcast generally is just to learn from people that have new perspectives on the nature of the world and to remain humble in the fact that I know very little.
So what you said at the end there about us knowing almost knowing zero about the nature of true reality or whatever that might mean, I do believe—I do believe that I know very little about the true nature of reality, and my senses have deceived me, whether it's in psychedelic states or other states.
So I'm very aware of the fragility of this experience or, you know, whether the truth is what I think it is.
Yeah, well, um, I think it only takes one mystical moment, one transcendental moment for us to realize that, um, we're missing out on a little bit of reality.
We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest without knowing who they're leaving a question for.
If you were made president—oh boy—of this country and you had to implement laws that would make our lives better, wow, what would you do and why?
Wow, where do we [laughter] start?
Oh boy, um, well, um, I would consider education, uh, to be a much bigger priority for, uh, both people that teach, uh, that they're rewarded in a better way, and the educational system to be, uh, more Socratic and more stimulating for, uh, people to question and, and to have healthy debates.
I think that's great.
Um, I would consider looking at the medical model a little bit more and really look to see if healthcare is really, uh, helping people in this country.
Uh, I would find ways to, uh, unify, uh, different, uh, sects or, or different, uh, uh, organizations or bring them together, bring them to the middle in some way.
I think, uh, standing up for principles instead of politics is a really healthy thing to do.
Uh, I'd probably try to figure out a way to reduce the debt, to end war, uh, to find ways that we could coexist with countries.
Um, I'd certainly think a lot about artificial intelligence and decide if it was, uh, really, really healthy for human beings.
Uh, I would, uh, encourage in many ways, uh, different religions to come together and, and find ways to, to, um, to get along.
Um, I would spend a lot of time with regenerative agriculture in bringing life back to the soil and back to the Earth, uh, and figure out ways to help the oceans and species that are passing and, and to address, uh, healthy food—food that is good for people, that is medicine for people.
Joe, thank you for your work, and thank you on behalf of all the people, the millions of people all around the world that you're clearly helping without really even knowing it.
Um, I've never seen such profound testimonials in any, you know, in anything I've ever seen.
And also, the reason why I actually have this on the table isn't because you asked to promote me. I think your team actually said I didn't need to put it on the table, but it's because one of our members of our team, um, their elderly relative has been going through a lot of pain and struggle in their lives, um, and they read your book, and it really, really helped them this week.
Oh, that's great.
So they asked if they could—you could get—if I could get it signed on behalf of them.
Absolutely.
Which I think is a testament to the impact you're having on people.
So thank you so much, Joe. It's an honor.
No, thank you, Stephen, for all the work you do also. I appreciate it.
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