2023 Southwest Believers’ Convention: Vision is the Mother of all Goodness (10:30 a.m. CT)

If you got your Bibles, would you turn with me to the Book of Exodus, chapter three? I want to go back to the vision thing we've been talking about, and I'm going to go over a few bullet points that we talked about. This would be a part three, I guess, of it. And I entitled this, "The Sight of Vision of Moses at the Burning Bush and the Difference Between the Jehovah Angel, Metatron, and Yahweh Himself." And you can see that the Jehovah Angel shows up first, and then all of a sudden, Yahweh comes in, and that just really blew Moses's socks off. But he wasn't expecting to meet God on that mountain. He was his intellectual activity was energized. I got to go see why this bush is not burning, you know, and he knew a lot of stuff about desert and how that works and things of that nature.

So I'm going to go over real quickly. And in the first one, I thought I told you that vision is the mother of inquiry. It's the mother of direction. And then today, I'm going to talk about it, the mother of goodness. Now, when vision creates inquiry, and I tell you to understand a great sight or a vision, you must be in a good mood. In other words, you've got to be sitting relaxed, waiting, and all of a sudden, God begins to show you things instead of just trying to figure it all out. It's got to be in a good mood because if you're not in a good mood, your mind is on other things. See, I tell you, some have no vision because they haven't taken the trouble to turn aside to see him. And Moses said, "I will turn now and see this great sight." I told you that vision is missed through laziness. I'm doing this because some of you have taken notes. Vision is missed through laziness or indifference or unwillingness. Why would you be indifferent to your vision? The thing I've never been able to understand about Christians, why would you deceive yourself? I mean, who's going to catch all the hell you are, and you're deceiving yourself? I can understand you might try to deceive somebody else, which you shouldn't do, but I mean, but to deceive yourself, that's really kind of stupid, though. I'll tell you, the closer we come to the vision, the nearer we advance to the secrets of God. We got to know God's secrets. He said, "My sheep know my voice." Well, I want to know more than his voice. I want to know who he is, inside, outside. It's going to take eternity to just get even close to it. Because, you know, when I went to heaven and when I saw those angels, those big cherubs and them seraphims flying around, he said, and Jerry Savelle really loved this part of that, and that's in my book, "Close Encounters of the God Kind." And they would go, "Holy, holy, holy." Because every time they made a circle, they saw a part of God they'd never seen before. Now, they've been doing this for trillions and trillions and trillions of years. That's how big God is. I told you vision must have conscientious research if it is to be developed, and that's done by reverence. You have to reverence. If you reverence something, you'll have research about it. I told you vision will consume you with holy fire, but you must have thick skin to handle the heat because you got to understand people are going to persecute you because they did it to Jesus. They don't like vision because it makes them see that they don't have one, so they're trying to pull you down so they don't look as sharp in front of people. Then they put you on the same level. Then I told you that vision will make an investigator out of you, investigation of the facts of the vision, of oneself, who you are, of the work that God's calling, and the milk of all those things. And then I think Tuesday, we went to it that vision is the mother of direction. And then I told you the direction must have an unruffled inward calm and self-possession. And the hairiest problem with Moses, who am I making an excuse like as if God makes mistakes? But I've done the same thing myself. I thought, "God, you got the wrong man here." And I've said this so many times. Did you see how when, uh, I think last night, you saw how, uh, if Jerry would have been here, uh, I'll just tell you, Jerry's about ready to have a brand new great-grandbaby. Now, they're all excited. It's just such a blessing of the Lord. And they may have, she may have had it now, I'm not sure, last night at midnight. And I, I mean, it's, Jerry's the best grandfather I've ever seen in my life. I, I've watched him with his grandkids growing up because I knew his grandkids as babies, you know, now they're full grown, married, and got kids themselves. But to make a long story short, I said, "This man's unique." And him and Carolyn are unique in this grandfather thing, you know. And, uh, and so now I've seen him as a great-grandfather, and it's just such a blessing. And he's not unruffled by them. Yeah, I mean, they beat him up and pinch him and kick him and, and I saw him, but they're beating him up on the floor, and he just sits there going, "Oh, Jesus." I was just amazed how much, and they love him forever. I mean, just amazing.

I told you on Tuesday, God will do nothing with your vision until he does something with you. It is by humanity that God redeems humanity. Jesus had to learn to be human. You have to learn to be spirit. Joseph had to teach Jesus to be human. Think about that. Can you imagine Joseph was? You've got to understand that spot. This was one of the most unique men ever. Here's God in the flesh, teaching him to be human. God has never been human. I had to learn that. Think about that. I told you when you find vision, you find duties and opportunities, which means you're going to find work. Then I told you that the real is the spiritual, all else is circumstance and drummings. We must be free from the ups and downs. And I use Fritz as an example. I said, "Paul said, 'I know how to have basement, I know how to abound.'" So it doesn't make any difference to me if I'm in the finest hotel in the world or I'm in a hole, because God's in the hole with me. You know, God understands. The Lord went to prison for 20 years because Joseph went to prison for 20 years. Never leave you, never forsake you. Now, I prefer being in a nicer place, but it doesn't make any difference if he's there. It's nice. I told you that never leave your vision with a disorganized personality. You see that a lot happening today. You must gain mental pause and moral security, which produces spiritual purpose. Now, I could preach. I was in all these bullet points, you know, but I got to hit it and go because, you know, we're on a time frame here. I tell you, vision must become a passion in your life, but uncontrolled passion leads to uncontrolled principles. And that was the problem with Moses. He had uncontrolled passion. He kills a guy and buries him in the sand. See what I'm saying? Then he had to leave. That's uncontrolled passion, which produced uncontrolled principle. See? Then I finished it out on Tuesday. It's a great moment when vision becomes a living reality. You must understand God's method of revelation. And at the burning bush, there's two sides of God: the Jehovah Angel and God himself. Now, what's the difference here? And the difference is in the power of authority, which what can they do? Well, God can do all things. So I dealt with that. Now I want to deal with, uh, vision will see goodness. Now, do anybody need any bullet points on this sermon I preached last night? Someone knocking on the door. You want to run over that? You do? Oh, okay. I didn't. Real quickly, I have to tell you something. The angel, it's amazing. 16 men died because they couldn't keep prison, keep Peter in prison. It was full quadrant, four, four in each squad. And Harry killed them all. Got so mad because he wanted to kill Peter because, watch this, the Jews were pleased that he killed James. Don't that sound church? That's sad, isn't it? My Lord. So what, what I'm telling you, and he got out. But see, as soon as the angel got him out of prison, which was impossible, the Bible said the angels departed. God only works in a room of impossibility. God didn't take Peter. The angels didn't take Peter to the house. That's his. Peter's job to get to that house. Then we had a hard time getting in the house. Then he did getting out of prison. See, when God says he makes hard things easy, our easy things become hard sometimes. He kept knocking on the door. That's why I used that little song, "Someone knocking on the door." How many of y'all been singing that song? It gets in you, don't it? All right. So I told you that faith keepers never put faith in the wrong place. Get what you want because you demand it from life, and life sends it to you. So I don't ask, I demand, and I command what the word of God says for me. I'll tell you, when you continue to knock, faith tells you to never expect disappointment. That's why I've never been disappointed. I've had many opportunities to fail. I just don't take any. This was last night, running over. Some of you were taking notes, and most people love this point. You will never remove a mountain standing still and looking at it. You got to speak to it. The problem is the church will make you a mountain climber instead of a mountain dissolver. They want you to climb the mountain. They think you're learning something climbing the mountain, and you ain't learned nothing other than getting tired. But if you say to that mountain, "Be thou removed," ah, I tell you that the ministry of God gives the harvest, but the ministry of man brings it home. Jesus turned water, and I turned the water into wine, right? But he didn't go fetch the water. They brought it to him. See what I'm saying? I told you you must gather the forces necessary to accomplish your desires, and that's done by determination and prayer. We'll get it done. See, you've got to do when God tells you, "Do this." There's no other choice in the matter. You've got to get this done. This is your destiny and your destination. I said, "Faith keepers need God for the rescue." But I love the end of that point. But for the rescue, God needs you. See, yeah, God, faith keepers keep God, God's going to rescue, but to get the rescue, God needs you. I'll tell you, stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage. Don't get into an unexpected mood. And that was the problem with the people that have been praying, a whole church praying, and none of them praying in faith. That's why he couldn't get in the house because they went, they wasn't expecting, but they were believing. How many times people say one thing, but they're not believing that? They say one thing with their mouth, but their hearts totally saying something different. Hmm. I said a good habit will give you continuance for grace and produce action for success. I'm, I'm a success going somewhere to succeed. I don't mean that sound arrogant. I am a vision specialist. I know how to get something done, spiritual, physical, and financial. I'm not bettering anybody. I'm not trying to be better. I'm not in competition with no one. I'm in corporation. That's why these things don't move me. That's why you never saw me sad, sick, discouraged, depressed, despondent, broke, or trying to be somebody that I'm not. I mean, I wish I could preach like Joyce Meyer, but I can't. I wish I could prophesy like Kenneth, but I can't. I wish I could teach like Jerry and Keith Moore, but I can't. But I can be Jesse. You said, "Do you understand?" And I'm totally comfortable with Jesse, even if he is a little bit chubby. But I'd say, "A family never hits. I'm gonna outlast them all. I got more to burn off." Praise God. Okay, then I told you belief in the answer to prayer means you have become accustomed to dwelling at the source of all comfort. So I've become accustomed to doing like a source of all comfort. I have no financial trouble. I don't have time for that. You've never saw me sick because I never had time. I don't have time for that stuff. I'm in the world, but I'm out of it. So I really, I didn't tell you this, I stay more on the not of its side than the inside. I'm in it, but I'm not of it. So why would I worry about what's going on in it when I'm not of it? Okay. And then I tell you, faith keepers either have a very good conscience or a very dead one to be able to sleep in perilous times. And the angel had to kick the boy to get him up. So you know he was pretty comfortable, right? See what I'm saying? Even though they're going to kill him. And then finally, I said, faith keepers have a homing instinct that will tell them where to go, even if the angel has departed. See, the angel will depart. He's not bringing you to your destination, he's bringing you to your destiny. And then, bless God, the rest is your job to do that. And when you understand that, it don't make no difference what anybody says. God's word is good. Now, so that's some of the bullet points and stuff. Now I want to deal with this in Exodus chapter 3. Uh, I want to deal with the vision is the mother of all goodness. And I want to read Exodus chapter 3. I want to read verse 18 and 19. Well, let me read verse 17. "And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey." So there's a lot of people already there, but they got to get out. Yeah, but you don't realize how much power they got. Has nothing to do with their power, has to do with your faith. They got to get out. You got to understand God owns the planet. Okay. And they shall hearken to thy voice. And thou shall come, thou and the elders of Israel, unto the king of Egypt, and ye shall say unto him, "The Lord God of the Hebrews hath met with us: now therefore let us go, we beseech thee, three days' journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice unto the Lord our God." Verse 19, "And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go, no, not by mighty hand." Verse 20, "And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders, which I will do in the midst thereof: and after that he will let you go." You understand what I'm saying? So I want to talk about vision will see goodness. And I write this down here because I'm, I'm dealing with this vision, the sight of vision. Vision does not live on the memory of a burning bush. Or in other words, you don't, it's good to have a beginning, but you don't stay at the beginning. You got to get to the end. If a child is not growing, something's wrong. You take that child to the doctor. My baby is not growing. Now, you, I love, I wish Jody, my daughter, who's going to be 52 years old, I wish she'd have stayed a baby because she was so beautiful. I mean, even I never forget. And she's the only one that's a Texan in all my family. She was born in Arlington Memorial Hospital. I was doing rock shows here in Dallas, man. Catholic. That's where we came. And when I had long hair, I mean, I was a freaky hippie guy and stuff like that. And, um, they said, "How can someone who looks like that have produced such a pretty baby?" Just told me that. And I told him a few words, and they never talked to me again. I didn't care. It made no difference to me. Sir, I had a man one time, maybe not man, I told, I said, "Tell your wife to shut up." I want to tell her to shut up. He said, "You what?" I said, "You don't want to stand up on me." No, I wasn't trying to brag. And he says, "Well, because I'm, I'm short, but I had something here." I said, "You wanna, you wanna dance with this?" Was you afraid of that? No. But when you had so many of them put in your face, not my bracket, man. I had a pretty rough life as a boy growing up, but thank God the Lord delivered me from that. See? So when God gave me the vision of my ministry, I immediately left the burning bush. That's what I'm trying to say. Vision does not live in the memory of a burning bush. Vision requires new revelations. A revelation without a manifestation is a missed opportunity. And new manna, in other words, you got to have manna every day to accomplish what God has called you to do. See? So I just don't live in the past, and I don't live in the present. I'm already there. I live in the future. I told you earlier, uh, in the vision sermons that I'm always 10 years ahead. I'm 10 years ahead on everything I do, spiritually, physically, and financially. Now, I'm 74 years old, but an accident in my vision, I'm 84. I'm 10 years on my money. I'm ahead. I know what's going to happen in 10 years. I already know that. I've already planned that. So I could achieve what God's calling me to do. Now, yeah, but things change. Yeah, but God does it. I know how to handle change. See what I'm saying? And he, the God that never changes, that's always changing because he's working with people that change, but he does not. See, that's why he never wrote another book. There's no more a new covenant. I'm not against the Mormons, but there ain't another covenant. I don't know nothing against you. I like the way you ride bicycles. I really do. I don't mean that to be rude. I'm not a shot. They ride bicycles, they're in good shape, and they tie theirs. They don't care if it's under the law. Okay, let me get on to get away with Matt. See, new revelations, a new manna, not new covenant, because the new covenant has never got old. We had an old covenant and a new covenant. This is it. So when you understand that, I immediately begin to think future from the day God called me into the ministry. And the Lord said, "If you will imagine, I will turn your imagination into faith." I said, "How do I do that?" He said, "Watch the kids." So I went to nurseries many times, and I'd watch them play, and I'd see a little boy, or he'd have a little truck or a little car, and he's doing this on the floor. All of a sudden, I realize he's in that car. And I thought, "Huh." And one day he'll have a car. See? And I called it faith imaginations, faith imagining thing. Well, that will turn, and you learn it from children. Children are born believers until you teach them the doubt. They know nothing of doubt, zero. They're gonna believe what you say. Amen. And that's good. And we're not God's adults, we're God's children. So I told that to Jody, you know, Jody, I don't know why women worry about their age. And I know why because, see, men demand more from a woman in terms of her looks than they do for themselves. I got a friend of mine, he's bald-headed, fat as a goose, and he said, "I don't want a fat woman." Well, good Lord, look what she's got to put up with. And she told him, "Yeah," she said, "I tell you what, I'll lose this weight if you grow hair." He shut up real quick. See? But, you know, they make demands on you, and they shouldn't do that. The people shouldn't do that. You know, I mean, you know, you are who you are, and that's good enough for me. See? So when you understand that, let me say it again. The vision does not live on the memory of a burning bush. Vision requires new revelation and, and, and new manna. So I'm eating new food every day. So I said, "Lord, I'm gonna put myself 10 years." Because when I started doing business years ago, before I was born again, I was 10 years ahead. I was writing songs that I knew would not operate and function for the day that I was in, you see. But I knew it would come. The other way, well, people don't understand about me and Kenneth Copeland. We never met each other. We played the same nightclub, me and Kenneth. Now, I did a little later, and that was called the Town Pump in Fort Worth, Texas. That was the top club in Fort Worth. And Brother Copeland sang it, and so did I, never knowing that we would come together one day and preach. And, you know, last night we got to talk, and it was so wonderful. And I was reliving them stories. I mean, it's just such a blessing of the Lord. And we're really not only preaching buddies, and I appreciate him saying that, but we're just, we're just flat good friends, you see what I'm saying? But I know the difference between Kenneth and Brother Copeland, the prophet. And he'll, he can sense that anointing on me, is it, Jerry or on it? But when that anointing comes, and it'll come when you least expect it, see? And then you flow in that. So I want you to write this down. The vision's measure of greatness is not power or authority, but service. You have to service the vision, or like a bank says, you, they, cert, they service your debt. See, that's how they think. They service your debt. The vision's measure of greatness, there's not power or authority. Y'all notice I'm walking a lot better. Somebody shout "I." You know, I, I know Nancy Dufresne, Anthony, regard that they got that anointing healing and, but last night, I'm going to tell you something, that devil was stabbing me in the foot. I was about ready to say, "Put my foot in her lap, say, 'Put your hand on that.'" Don't softly get some healing going on here. Praise the Lord. And, uh, because I ripped my toe out, did not, when not all off, but I mean, on the treadmill, you know. And, and sometimes he had catchy, you know, like, boy, I'm like you, stomp your toe, and you can't do nothing but just take the pain. That's how I felt when Jerry was driving that GTO. I mean, his eyes were glazed over. That's their drug of choice, not a real speed, but speed. I prefer Carolyn's boat. The barge where you could sit and have something to drink and enjoy life. Jerry is like a roadrunner. He just loves doing that. It's great. That's a blessing. That's what he likes. And Keith Moore's the same way. He said, "Let's go drive Phyllis's car." So we decided to do it at his house, you know. He said, "Push it up to 90." I said, "What?" I said, "My God, man, what about the police?" "I don't worry about the police. Just push it up to 90, man." I pushed it up to 90, and people were passing me up. He said, "All the cops into all this. We need to do it." Well, I mean, wow. I mean, they just go, and I thought, "I'm doing 90 miles an hour here." You know, but I mean, and I'm not afraid. I mean, I can control the car. That's not the issue. But 90 miles an hour, 90 miles an hour. What did the sign say? 60. I had made in my mind, if this guy pulls over, I'm gonna say, "This is not my car. He told me to do it. Send him to jail." Don't worry about the Keith. I'll bail you out. I'll get you out of there, you know. But, but they love speed, and that's good. I'm glad they love something. That's a blessing. Why did I say that? I have no idea. The vision's measure of greatness is not power. Ah, that's it. We're using or authority, but service. I service my, my vision. I service my wife because when I stood before that priest on January, on June the 6th, 1970, he said, "Do you take this woman to be your lawful wedded wife?" I hadn't made up my mind. Yes, I'm gonna do that. And I told Kathy, "I will take care of you. I will honor. I will take care of you." I said, "You just got to follow me." I said, "Follow me, man." And she's always had my back because she had a knife in her hand when she did. But I bet you I had my back. No, no, I'm just joking because I was such a sinner and everything I did was nothing against her. I thought of hers, a china doll, pull her out the little cabinet, look at this china doll, don't touch it. I wouldn't let people cuss in front of Kathy. No, no, not cuss like a drunken sailor, man. But this is my wife, you know, because I was going to take it, and I have, and I will do that till Jesus comes or we'll go by the way of the grave, whatever it happens. Yeah. Praise God. Are you married? Okay, good, good, good. I said that one time when a man said, "I want to." Then I looked at him. I said, "He better have some faith." But anyway, it's a measure of greatness is not power, but it's service. You service that what gifts did God give you? You service those gifts as God flows through you, whether it's healing anointings. Now, I'm telling you, ladies and gentlemen, when I prayed that prayer last night, I felt like as if water, I thought the best way I could say it was being pulled out of me. This anointing increases on it. It's here. No, I, I, I, I'm, it's not going to come, it's here. See, people always putting their faith in the future. Why would you do that? When faith was not made for the future, even though it has the ability to create one, it is made for the now. Now faith is. You see what I'm saying? And that's by servicing that. So if Kathy, not now, shopping is not a problem with me anymore. Years ago it was, and all that kind of stuff, but now, I mean, it doesn't make any difference. And we can't go by what she wants. She's gonna do what she wants. I don't care. I don't know. I don't know what time she came up to me. "Would you like to pay for my American Express?" Oh, that's what I live for. I said, "How much is it?" I thought, "500." That's 6,000. What did you buy? Stuff. Okay. Nothing wrong. Look at it. She gets mad, but it don't make any difference. And then if she buys something real expensive, she wants me to go buy something expensive, like it was my birthday. Mine, mine, not us. All right. So we got a great friend of ours, uh, as jewelry still. Kathy likes jewelry stuff. At Oakland Heart, and then I'll give him a plug. So I go in there, man, and I'm looking because she said, "Majestic, get anything you want. I'm buying this for you." Well, I, Nancy, I didn't see anything I wanted. I got it. I got everything I want for God's sake, man. I mean, I said, "Well, I," I said, "Kathy, I don't see anything I want." Kathy goes, "Well, I do." I say, "You do?" She said, "I see some things I want." I said, "You've been talking to Leroy Thompson." Leroy Thompson does the same thing. Me and Carol, Carolyn Thompson. Me and Carolyn are exactly alike. We're going, she'll go, and then she'll go, "Well, I don't see nothing." And it's Carolyn's birthday. And I've been with him so many times. He says, "I see something I want." So Kathy said, "When I see something I want," and it's stupid. Oh, he said something stupid. Not a stupid man. He said, "It's not your birthday." And Kathy looked at the man in the store and she said, "Share the love. Share the love." So Kathy got a great gift on my birthday. That's servicing your wife, servicing your children, whatever, like. And I can't wait. This is going to happen about six months. My granddaughter is going to be 16. She can finally get a full driver's license. I'm gonna buy a car. And I told her, I said, "You can buy any car you want. Anything." It says, "Whatever you want, just tell me." So I told that to a friend of mine in Oklahoma. He said, "Well, my God, Jesse, support." She wants a Ferrari. I said, "She'll get it." Cat said, "You ain't buying a new Ferrari." I said, "You watch me." But thank God she settled for a Jeep. She wants to customize that. That's okay. That's a lot cheaper than a Ferrari. That's all I can say. But she's gonna get it. That's fine. I'm not bragging about that. Why? I'm servicing her. That's a good man leaves an inheritance for his children's children. That's what I mean by the vision's measure of greatness is not power or authority, but service. Write this down. Vision is a quest, a journey in hope. Vision is a quest. It's a journey in hope. Why? Vision has set eternity in our hearts. You see, God's vision is still not complete. He's still creating. He is a Creator. His nature is to create. Yes, he's taking care of us in times of giving us, but to the throne of grace, to the sacrifice of Jesus, you know. And but now he's going back to Genesis chapter one. I've had conversation with God over that. He said, "I'm going back to Genesis chapter one and Genesis chapter two and the last two chapters, the Book of Revelation." That's where we're going. And God is going to say, "Be fruitful, always producing, multiply, always increasing, replenish, use it, then replenish it." And then he said, "Subdue." If anything gets out of line, put it down. We're going back to what it is. Do you understand what's happening? See, we're going back to the original plan of creation to populate the universe. And the jobs that once angels had, cherubims, big, they no longer have because Lucifer failed. And God's given them the mankind. That's why he says, "What, what is man that I am mindful of him? And the son of man that visiteth him?" My God. And then he says, "God has made him a little lower." The King James says, "Angels." That's not true. It goes into the richest. "I've made him a little lower than God." Now, you want to get some persecution? Just say it. In the original, they're going to get, "Who do you think you are, God?" No, you said that. But even Jesus said, "Are you not gods?" Now, somebody's gonna write a hug and let him and all that kind of car. But no, I'm not saying I'm a God, but I am a son of God. Now, I'm a son of God that serves. I'm not a servant, I'm a son that serves. That's a vast difference. You see what I'm saying? Then just being a servant, you know. I'm a son that serves. So vision is a quest, a journey in hope. Vision has set eternity in our hearts. So I can't wait till I start my quote job, for like a better way to say it, in eternity. Now, I know that I know the rapture. Some people don't believe in the rapture, and I understand that. But just stay here, do what you got to do. Jesse going out on the first load. Y'all do whatever y'all want to do. Yeah. Well, you know, all these people that are born to the millennial kingdom, what do you think is going to happen to them? People in a more rapture, right now. I'm gonna say something. I don't mean this to sound crude. I'm just gonna, I'm, I'm gonna try to put something spiritual into physical so you can understand. I've often wondered. I had a great conversation with God several years ago. I said, "You know, you fascinate me when you created Eve. You fascinated me. The difference between a woman and a man, that's the most amazing things." I said, "I want to ask you something. How come you gave them so many eggs?" I want information. I mean, I have a lot of doctor friends, and I have all kinds of doctor friends, and at one time I wanted to be a doctor. And I mean, I've seen all kinds. I've seen cesarean birth of triplets. That's an amazing thing to see. I mean, it's just the most amazing thing you ever seen in your life. And they're grabbing them, baby, them babies just flying. Well, I said, "Jesus, you think they asked me? They ain't being soft on it. They've been moving, man. Why did you give this woman so many eggs? They don't use many of them." And the Lord said, "Population." He said, "It was designed through Adam and Eve to populate the universe, not just the planet Earth." So you see all the physical mechanics of what God wanted to do to populate this universe. And we're going back to that because, you see, me and you, we will have, we will, the people will have Adam-like bodies. See, which means they're gonna have to eat at the Tree of Life to live. And he leaves for the healing nation. Me and you won't need that. We'll have that new body that Jesus had. In other words, we won't have blood in our body. We have liquid God in our veins. Now, that's goodness, boy. See? But you can see the mechanics of highest thinking and how many times, you know, why it would be such a waste, why all these eggs? Because each egg could turn into a baby, each sperm can fertilize it. It's amazing. You can see the mechanics of what he wants to do once this thing is all settled and done. And we're going to be, we're going back, ladies and gentlemen, in God's original plan of what he wanted for the universe. That's what I mean. See, his vision has set eternity in our hearts. I write this down. Vision will bring relief to nations and peoples and give them the ability to grow to the fullness of the stature of Christ. That's Ephesians 4:13. Vision will bring relief to nations and people and give them the ability to grow to the full stature of Christ. See, when you understand that, now Moses is very, he's like me, he's very inquisitive. Because when you get around God, and when I found out that I could talk to God, not just in prayer, but in conversation, sometimes silly conversation, probably on my part, but yet God just, you know, I'm a child in his life. Let me go back to Jody. Jody said, "Jody, women worry about their age." She said, "Daddy, can you believe?" Can you believe that I'm thinking, well, yeah, I can believe. We want me to believe. "Can you believe you got a daughter going to be 52 years old?" I said, "Yeah, I was there when you was born. I can believe that real good. I said, "I paid for you." You understand? They didn't let me in there when you were being born because in those days, that didn't happen. The man had to stay outside and walk up and down and fret and sweat and then go to the place and pay for the baby, and that's it. Now you can see your baby being born, but not them days. No. You know, I said, "Yeah." She said, "And you know, everything I say, I get." Now, you know, I know I'm getting older. Look, it's loose. I think I can. It don't make a difference to me. But I got plastic surgeon friends. I got partners. I mean, I'm a very wealthy partner in the plastic surgery. And they love me, and they tell me because that's their profession. "Progester, you need some work." I said, "Does it hurt?" They said, "Yes, it does." I said, "How much does it cost to do the whole body?" I want to go back to 17. She said, "About 180, 170, 580,000." But we'll do it for free. Can we use your name? And I got a friend of mine, he got so much Botox, he can't close his eyes when he sleeps. True. I've been in the runway. He falls through. He's like, and I'm thinking, he can't close his eyes. Now, I'm not against Botox, but that's poison stuff. Do you know you are messing, you're dealing with some very powerful stuff there, boy? Because it paralyzes that. So those wrinkles, it paralyzes all that. So I woke him up. I said, "Does your eyes burn?" He said, "Yeah." I said, "You can't close your eyes when you sleep?" He said, "Can you tell?" "Yeah, I can tell." You've heard me say that before. But that's what he wants. That's okay with me. So Jody said, "Dad, if you don't want to do that, let me do it." I said, "Jody, you don't need no work. What's the matter with you, girl?" She said, "Dad, you see me through loving eyes." And I said, "I always will. I said, you're all my, you will always be my little girl. I don't care how old you get." And do you think about your children? They're still your children. Even though they're giving your grandkids, they still are. Let me say this again. Vision will bring relief to nations and peoples and give them the ability to grow to the fullness of the stature of Christ. So it's my job to make you grow. That's what the apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastors do for the perfecting of saints, for the edifying, everybody, you see, growing constantly, but yet not losing that innocence and that purity of being a child. Yeah. The other day I went to the little restaurant at the hotel. You know, I don't know the name of that little restaurant. Got a good little soup there if you, if you like soup. And these two little girls kept looking at me. And I just, I just kept one hand up. Let me, it's an honor that a child would recognize you. That's an honor. Jesus loves kids too. Now, Peter didn't care too much. "Slap them, get them kids out of here, man, for God's sake, man." That's why he said, "Suffer the children." They had to suffer a little bit under them disciples' hands. No, that's the word. Suffer means permit. He said, "No, let the kids come." He said, "You can't get anywhere unless you come as a child." Such as the kingdom of God. See, that's bringing relief. I, I told the story before. I felt let alone to do it. When, when Meredith was little, she's not 15, she looks 18. Kathy don't think so because she's seeing her through 11. But I know what boys look at. I've been a boy. That's all I'm gonna say about that. And sometimes you got a chicken boy, you want to live, go away. You got to protect them. You just got to protect them. You know. Well, what was the name of that movie? Frozen. Is that right? Frozen. You know, and all these kids into this stuff. So I go to the mall for one reason, and that's to pay. That's my job. And I have no problem in doing that job. I love being a grandfather. I learned it from Jerry Savelle. I'm telling you, the best I've ever seen. I can't get you. Well, so I'm always bringing up the rear, like I said, you know, because Kathy says, "Give me the bags to hold," and all that kind of stuff. They don't see me as Reverend Dr. Jesse in the planets. They just see me as grandfather and a husband. So boom, to the, is that the Disney? Was that the name of that store? The Disney Store. That's it. Well, they got all that propaganda out there, you know, Frozen and all that kind of stuff in there. And, uh, so I, I'm about this far from here. Kathy and still in the mall. And then they're going in that store, man. And there's kids everywhere and that stuff. I mean, they're just enjoying themselves. You know, it's real pretty. They really did it right. So I come walking in. Well, Meredith goes up to her Mimi. She said, "Mimi, can I, can I have a toy or something?" And she said, "Well, go ask your grandfather." So here she gone, boy. Now, I had just made my first step into the store. She goes, "Grandfather, grandfather." Now, everybody turns around when a child says that. What, that's what that's my name. She don't call me Papa. Grandfather. If Heidi can do it for her grandfather, remember the movie, grandfather? Yeah, that's what I got. That's it. This baby's gonna call me grandfather. She still does. She says, "Can I have a toy?" And something hit me, Nancy. I said, "You can have the whole store." She goes, "What?" I said, "And I started." I said, "Are you the manager?" She said, "Yes, sir." I said, "How much money do you have in inventory here?" I said, "I don't mean to be rude. How much?" She said, "It shocked her when I said, 'How much?'" She said, "About two hundred thousand dollars." I said, "I buy it all today. Give it to that little girl. Lock, stock, and barrel." I was excited. So watch it. I said, "Meredith, the whole store." You can see the manager. Oh, we're going home early today, Jack, because they get a commission. I think that's how that works. I'm not sure how they get their money. Well, they, make a long story short, man. She comes back with four things. And I said, "Meredith, the whole store is yours." So they want me to hold them, you know, hold this little some, some little suits, whatever they wear. So I got there right at home. And she goes, "Listen to the statement, grandfather. This is hard." See, when all the limits are off, it's hard. "What do I pick? You mean I can have it all? All of it? Everything?" That's very good. I said, "Everything." She said, "This is hard." She said, "I think I have enough." That's what Meredith says. Now, Kathy told Phyllis more about that, and it was amazing what Phyllis said. Correct me if I'm wrong. Phyllis said, "You know why she wouldn't?" Most kids would go slap crazy, run in there, grab everything. She said, "The reason why Mary didn't do that, she's used to being blessed. She's used to, she can have what she says." So we've learned, taught her how to handle that and not get uncontrolled on that. So watch this. So I get the four things. I stand in line. You're gonna get your line in there. And the kids notice these things now. And I love children. I don't care. I pay attention to them as much as I possibly can because I never was paid attention to as a kid. I was a middle kid. The oldest and the youngest get all the attention in the middle. That's true. How many people know what I'm talking about? If you're a middle child, am I telling the truth? Yeah, they're just like, you could die. Well, we just get another medal. They don't mean it. It's amazing. It's just the way it is. I don't know. They learn on the first kid and their last kid. That's how it works. Say you're in between. So these two little girls, one was five and the other was seven. And they looked at me. And he said, "You got a lot of stuff." And I said, "You like these things?" Now, the mother was ahead of the kids. So like the kids would be here, and the mother. And I said, "Why don't you go get what you want?" She goes, "What?" I said, "You can have what you want too." Just go. The mother looks at me like a complete idiot. She says, "Oh, we don't take charity." "I'm trying to bless the kids." "We don't take charity." And I knew these people had to be church people because the seven-year-old says, "Mama, the man is trying to bless us." Yeah, that's what the child said. And Meredith comes over there and says, "Create what you want. I only got four things." He said, "I could have the whole store. Just give it to him." You know, that woman wouldn't let me do that for them kids. How many times God came to your house? You can have the whole story. Oh, I'm not worthy. I'm not worthy. Beat me, Jesus. Just beat me. No, I don't want to do that. So Meredith walked out with four things. And the manager started crying. The whole inventory. I'm not bragging about that. I can afford that without a blink. I don't mean that private Philip.

I'm just saying, see, that's what I'm talking about. That vision brings relief, you see. And even till today, Meredith's like that. We took off the Louis Vuitton. She liked Louis Vuitton. She learned that from my grandma's giving away 22 Vuitton purses, which money, that is. That's a lot of money. And she looked at me, Kathy goes, "And it's your job, Jesse, to replace them." That's what I do. That's fine. And I don't care. It didn't make any difference.

So once we took us to Louis Vuitton, and I said, "Listen," I said, "I said, Jody's," and I said, "Joe, to get you a purse." And I said, "And she goes, 'Well, Dad, that's I [ __ ] I knew the one she liked." I said, "That, that's very expensive." I said, "You see me blank in Paris?" I said, "Meredith, get your marriage is walking around." I thought she was gonna get there, you know. You know, kids are different. That she knew exactly what she wanted. And so did you tell her? I think Kathy said, "Listen, um, grandfather buy you anything you want, Meredith." Imagine looks at me and says, "I got money." [Music] "Bad myself." She sure can. I said, "Wouldn't matter if you just don't mind. And I know you can let grandfather give me a good day. Can I make a memory?" Memories, you see. We had a wonderful time, you see, because it brought relief.

Well, there was a black lady. Said, "You want to buy me something?" Nothing. He said, "Let's go." I guess he, she made him mad. She walked out. I said, "If that lady comes back, I'll buy her what she wants." And I waited a good 30 minutes, but she never came back. See, she was that close to a Louis Vuitton and didn't come back. Maybe because of a jealous husband? I don't know. I don't know the man. I didn't know the labor. Just sweet. She wasn't being rude because she, they saw me talking to Meredith. And so Kathy's getting one, and Meredith's getting one, and, you know, and Jody getting one. I ain't getting nothing. Why? Because I don't wear purses. And there's a reason for that. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

Let's get on with this. Head, I want to make sure I'm not going away. Let us obey. Write this down. We'll close with this. Let us obey the call of our vision and make it the supreme concern of our lives. Let us obey the call of our vision and make it the supreme concern of our lives.

Now, what did Moses see? Moses said, "God, I'll come back. I want to see you." And God said, "Moses, you can't see me and live. But I'll tell you what I'm going to do because you want to. I'm going to put you in the cleft of this rock, put my hand over it, and as I walk by, I'm gonna remove my hand, and I'm gonna let you to see my goodness." Did you know what Moses saw? Billy Graham, he saw you. Your daughter. You saw me. He saw every one of us. Goodness in a moment of time. He saw everything. He, I'm gonna just say like, he saw the Big Bang. He saw the creation of life. They're making of all kinds of angels, not allowing evil to stay around. Goodness. The Rapture. The return of Christ. The age of ages. Gentiles accepted into the fold. The business meaning of the Trinity concerning redemption. God the Father, God the Son, all in a moment's time. All God's goodness. He saw it. That's why he could write the Torah. And he writes. Moses was the meekest man in all the world. He's writing about himself. He saw all of it. He saw my ministry. He saw the beginning, the middle, and the end. Everybody that's in here, he saw you. He saw this happen. That's why he was able to minister to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration because he wasn't finished with his ministry when he left here. He's still going on. They call him the lawgiver. I've seen him. I'm far off about for me to where the balcony starts. Big man. I've been there. People say, "I don't believe it." I don't care. I'm not trying to convince you. He's just simply the truth.

You want to know how Jesus looked like? He's between 5'11" and 6'1". Kind of salt. I thought his hair was like mine. What his glory. But he turned his head like this, and his hair, I saw it. His hair was light brown. What color were his eyes? I couldn't. The glow. If you took a television line, stuck it by my head, you could not see my face. I got to have special cameras. They got to do all kinds of stuff because of this hair. You know, because it just glows. You see what I'm saying? Those kind of, for some reason, you know. And, uh, uh, and he said, "Go tell my people I'm coming." So I've been doing that since that day. And that happened in 1988 at the Best Western Hotel in Magnolia, Arkansas, at about 1:05 in the afternoon. It was wonderful. It was. But it didn't increase my faith because faith don't come that way. What it did increase in me was my longing. Come on, Jesus. How many times the Lord, I made him chuckle. I said, "Jesus, come now." He said, "Just if I came now, people go to hell." I said, "Listen, they're going to hell anyway. Just come on." Well, that's selfish. [Music] Why? Because I've been there. And not just so I can get out of here. I want to start my vision for eternity in the eternity of eternities. See, vision will allow you to seek goodness. So I don't know about anybody else, any other speaking here, but when I see you, I see goodness. That's why I love people. I see no color, nationality, creed. I don't care about any of that craziness. I'm not interested in any of that content. I just see people, and I love people.

And Jody told me this. I called her on the phone yesterday. She said, "Dad, you have no idea how many people love you. But you also don't have any idea how many people would hate you." And you know what? They hate me over my finance, my prosperity. And I'm one of the most generous men you'll ever meet in your life. Now, I don't let somebody take advantage of me. Yeah, I've had people walk up to this point to your watch and say, "You know, I'm believing God for a watch just like that." I said, "Well, keep believing. Now, God tell me to give it to you, I'll give it." I mean, I've given away jets. I'm giving away two of them. I'm not bragging about that. I could have sold them. Nothing wrong with selling things. I believe it, you know, the value of a seed is far greater than the value of a sale. But that doesn't mean you don't sell things. Do you see what I'm saying? So see, this vision is the of the mother of goodness. So I see good people. So what I do when I see someone that everybody thinks is a piece of trash, I look for the goodness. It's kind of a motherly thing. Yeah, yeah. That's why a mother, if they're about ready to kill their son by lethal injection, maybe they did a terrible crime, a mama's hurting boy because she was the creative part that brought that person into the, uh, into the world. Now, a man ain't gonna understand that. He can be a good father. He can be a good father. Like I told you, he may have planted the seed in that scene and that sperm in that egg hit, which is the original way God expected this to work. But not just for the Garden of Eden, populate everything. You know how many planets we got? Oh, gee. Well, just the Milky Way galaxy, billions and billions of stars, planets, moons. My God, man. And we got at least 400 billion, we know of, of galaxies with at least 400 billion planets, moons, and stars in each one. Well, do you think there are other people out there? Well, if there isn't, it's a show. A big waste of space. That wouldn't bother me. I wouldn't be afraid to see some little green people. That's what they say, you know. That, that one won't bother me. In a manner, I don't care about that because see, I know in whom I have believed. I'm not trying to convince myself that I am a sojourner in this land. I'm just passing through. You see.

Now, I want the Rapture to come, not because I'm afraid to die. You know how many times I've been close to death? I've had guns pulled on me, knives. I've been stabbed. Everything you can think of. Way back when. Could God? So you learn to get accustomed to that. What happens is you lose your fear. And, uh, you know, and and not being born again, I thought, well, you have to do what you have to do. And it was a wrong way of thinking. But that's what I was taught. And until I got born again. And then my family, my mama finally got born again. Got that whole family turned around. And and things of that nature. And so did Kathy. Kathy got our whole family touched and born again because when she got turned around. But she's put her the cross has on me to get me saved. And I said, "Look, woman, listen. If you want the God stuff, it's yours. Do what you want. Leave me alone. You don't need the prayer for me. Let me go to hell. I like hot places." It don't make it. I did everything I could. I did everything I could to do everything to discourage this woman from me being born again. Well, first thing first, I didn't know what born again was because I had never been born again. And most preachers I knew, I didn't particularly care that much for him. I didn't know that many. I didn't know any of them. The one I thought was a nice person was Billy Graham. But it was one ministry I really loved, and his name was Hannah Garrison, which is a wonderful friend of mine, Alton Garrison. He was pretty high up in the Assemblies of God here, positions there. And his father, he noticed me as a young boy. And I remember telling Kathy this. She said, "Boy, Jesse, you're such a heathen." I said, "You know, thank you, guys. I appreciate that." Um, but he saw goodness in me. That's why I'm bringing him up. He saw something in me. And I thought, I, I don't want to meet him if he sees me now. Only him. Amazing manner. But he, he paid attention to me. And my mother said, "Would you please go to a youth camp?" What's a youth camp? So I said, "Okay." And I could play. And I've been playing instruments since. I played guitar. I started playing when I was six years old. And I played 11 instruments. You know what I mean? Because I was going to make a living. And I did. I made a very good living at that. Anyway, Michael was still short. I was playing. And I guess they didn't like the way I was moving. I've always moved when I play, you know. You'll see me. I'm feeling it. I don't know how else to say it. You know. So a guy came over there and unplugged my amplifier. [Music] And I said a few choice words that were not tongues. I said, "I'm finished with this mess." And Brother Garrison walked up there. Brother handle Garrison. I love that thing. But he said, "Play, Jesse." And the only reason I didn't turn around, cuss that other man out, and hit him, hit him with my guitar, break it over his head. If you're wiped out, Buster, in the head too. You think I can't? That's how I was. But he saw some goodness. So when I see people that the world has thrown away, I look for the goodness because it's there. You may have to find it. It's like an onion. You may have to peel back the layers. A lot of them, you know. But you'll get to that core. And that's what God sees in us.

Now, tomorrow, I'm gonna deal with this. Would be my last session. You can't live without a vision. Let me tell you, when I die is when I have no more vision. But I may never die. There's a whole generation won't see death. Think about that. You know, and we spent a lot of money. Let me tell you about death in Louisiana and New Orleans is big business. Big business. Because we don't bury people in the ground. We'll bear them above the ground. Our cemeteries are, people come and look at them. The vacationers. It comes because I mean, I mean, I can take you to one right now. This tomb is three million dollars. They spend some money on graves. And I mean, and I mean, I'm talking nice, you know. And, and so people make things like that. And I thought, what a waste of money. God's gonna blow holes on every one of them. Bust them all up. Yeah. Because the whole generation won't see death. I leave you with this. In one of my conversations with God, see, it's about my vision. It's about what he wants me to do. I don't think I'll ever retire. I could. I mean, I can fly off into another sunset today and never look back. I won't run out of money. I don't care how long I live. I don't mean it privately. Listen to me. This is on me, man. People have no concept of what I'm talking about here. We make a long story short. I was praying. And because Oral Roberts told me something years ago, he said, "You're not a success without a successor." And I believe that. But not no more. I'm explaining this to you. In one of my conversations, I said, "Lord, I want to talk to you about something. Who's my successor? I have a global ministry. 422,000 partners. This thing is cooking." I don't mean that pridefully. And getting them every day. [Music] And I mean, you know, I mean, totally debt-free. All assets paid. Everything. Money in the bank. Plus all the projects. Whatever's going on. Still more projects are coming to pass. You know. Anyway. And the Lord answered this question. To him, I said, "Well, who's my successor?" He said, "There's a whole generation won't need one. There's a whole generation won't see death." And I went like this. Yeah, yeah. I know that. I don't know. But you didn't answer my question. I know that. I know that. But who is my successor? He said it again. "There's a whole generation won't need one. There's a whole generation won't see death." And then I stopped. Now, why would he answer that question like that? Now, he didn't tell me he was coming in my lifetime. But why would he answer that question like that? Um, maybe I'll be the only one that ever lead this ministry. So I talked to Brother Copeland about one time. I said, "Remember when Oral Roberts told us that?" I said, "I don't believe that." "Tomorrow," what do you mean? "You don't believe that?" I said, "My," I said, "No, Brother, come on." I said, "I asked him." He said, "There's a whole generation won't need one. There's a whole generation won't see death." You know that's right. And then he said something. He said, "You know, I thought this person was my success, but he's not." I said, "Kenneth, you may be the only last first, last CEO, call it what you want, or head of Chemical Romance. He may not be." God didn't say he was. He told me he was coming in my lifetime. But why would he answer that question like that? So I just stay about my father's business. And if a successor shows up, I'll put it in his him or her. You don't make no difference. And say, "Don't mess this up. I worked hard for this. Jesus died for this." See. And I'm gonna give you something. Not complete. It may be complete in my part now. Because every person's work must be a continuation. Where there's a Moses, there's a Joshua. Think about that. I've been thinking. Kathy would become my pastor. Can you believe that? That your wife is your pastor? That's kind of weird. "Jesse, you need any counseling?" "No, I don't need no counseling." "What's the matter? You can't learn something from me?" "Oh, yes, I can learn a lot from you. Don't, don't push it. Don't push it." No, I said, "No, that has nothing to do with that." In fact, I said this. She didn't like it. But I think it's the funniest thing I ever said. I stood in front of Covenant Church and I said, "Ladies and gentlemen, I'm an honest man, a man of purity and integrity, but I have to confess today, I'm sleeping with the pastor." [Applause] Kathy goes, "I will kill you tonight. Do you understand?" I'm a kidney. The place roared. I thought it was funny. Kathy did not think it was funny at all. She did not. I thought it was hilarious myself. You know. She said, "We don't have the same humor." I said, "Why'd you marry me?" She said, "Because I love Justin." "Because you couldn't help yourself." She said, "He's a legend in his own mind." Stand to your feet right now. Are you learning something? I'll tell you what. I talked to Dr. Bill. He was going on. He said, "Boy, Jesse." He said, "I just," I said, "Did I do you good?" He said, "Medicine with such great men and women of the Lord." Oh, I mean, you have no idea. It brings such joy to my life. I love everyone's ministries. I don't think of one who's bigger, who's smaller. I don't know. I don't care about any of that kind of stuff. Just complete what God's called you to do in every area of it. And if you listen, if you'll take my advice, you don't have to struggle. You're gonna have to unlearn some things. And you know, I hate to say this, but maybe it helped me out that I wasn't raised up in church because I didn't have to unlearn. That's a sad thing to say. I mean, I want to say, so when I read the Bible, I said, "Well, that's what God says." Or that's what we're gonna do. [Music] And that's how we did it. How you doing, Paul? I just saw you there. Praise the Lord. I love these people. Met them in Orelan, Ireland. The Republic. No, Belfast. Yes. Hallelujah. When I preached for him. Now he's in Tulsa. Great church. We want a good church in Tulsa. They go to Paul's. I mean, it's a great trick. Yeah. I'm telling you. It's just such a blessing. And I've seen them go through some of the hardest things. I don't know how. Oh, I know how you did it. But who? And yet be steadfast, firm, because of your vision. See. And that's the most wonderful thing. I mean, I've never lost a spouse. I have no idea what that, what Nancy Dufresne went through. I can't tell you. I know what you're going through. That's not true. I've never had that. Anything. I've never lost a child. I've dealt with people that have had. I can't say, "I never tell them, I know what you're going through. I know how you feel." That's not true. I stay honest with what I said. No, but I can pray for you. I can have compassion. What can I do? Hmm. It's not. You need to pray for preachers. I'm telling you, because sometimes we get hit with some pretty heavy stuff. We have to, you know, marry their living and bury their dead, then have someone just grab you at the grave, "I want my son now." Raise it. That's not easy. That's why I stay developing my faith. And God don't care how long they've been buried. You think he cares about that? He started with dust. Why am I getting on that? He said, "Because that's that 4D that, uh, Bill's talking about. You just got to get out of the room of the natural body and just flow in that spirit on a daily basis."