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You're done. You're done. You just said that God can't be exalted.
You just said God can't be exalted. And yet Psalm says that Yahweh is exalted.
And that verse is talking about praising and glory.
Oh. Oh. Oh. Now. So now God can be exalted.
In in in Philippians 2.
In this powerful exchange, you're about to witness God logic completely dismantle the Unitarian argument against the deity of Christ. Every verse, every point, crystal clear. Watch carefully. This isn't just a debate. It's truth shining through. Enjoy. Let's try halal Christian.
Oh, he's got logic.
All right.
Was you that was you in it? Why didn't you come on your main account though?
Cuz I'm banned.
Why? Oh, did the Muslims uh I can't lie, man. These Muslims
I don't know who it was, but I I got banned, man. I'm banned till the 17th. you uh you given extra heart to Allah, I guess yesterday.
Hala, why why you uh why why'd you call me the P word, man? I don't never I don't never thought it was you. I didn't know it was you cuz I was expecting a blue profile and people were like writing writing him and I thought it wasn't you.
You said did the P
I didn't know it was you. I I literally I literally was like I didn't know it was you my I didn't know it was you in the thing. I didn't know that was your backup. So, I apologize. But you with you was you was referring to me as a as the P word, man. I thought we was I know we disagree, but I don't never remember us, you know, going being negative towards each other like that.
No, I just did. No, I can't lie, I've just I've just had a long day. Like I've just I can't say so much stupidity. So,
okay.
Anyway, what's up? How can I help?
Yeah. So, uh, you were quoting you were quoting 1 Corinthians 8:6 and saying that, uh, this shows that Paul doesn't believe that Jesus is God. Is that correct?
No, I was quoting Ephesians 4:6.
Well, you So, Ephesians 4:6, what does that say?
One God and Father of all, who's above all, through all, and in all.
Mhm. And then,
Right. So, there's one God, right?
Is that it?
Yeah, that's that's the verse. one God and Father always above all through and in all.
I got you. So, so when Jesus says that there's one Lord through whom are all things and through whom we are um that that's the one Lord, the father is not the Lord.
Yeah. So the word Lord pertaining to Jesus, it functions as like Messiah according to Acts 23:6.
No, it doesn't.
Can God be made Can God be made Lord?
Uh yeah, if he humbles himself and then is exalted, yeah, he can. But
so God So God can be made Lord. So God changes Well, that's not that's not a change in his nature. You're talking you're talking about Jesus. But notice how you kind of went away. Hello. You went away from the question I asked you.
I haven't gone away for anything.
Okay. So, when Jesus when Paul says that there's only one Lord through whom we are all things, not Jesus Christ.
The word Lord, the word Lord pertaining to Jesus functions with Messiah Messiah according to Acts 236.
So, is is the father still lord?
The father is not lord in the same way that the son is lord because the son is made lord. So lordship is not predicated in the same way to the father as it is to the son.
So there's a there's a way that that the that Jesus is the lord that the father isn't.
Yeah. God is not made lord. So
I got you. Well I I understand that the father's not I want I want to touch on what you just said.
Wait wait wait. Can the father be made lord?
The father didn't humble himself. If he humbled himself
if the father humbled himself and was exalted then yes.
Okay. So then that's not the function father.
So then the lord so then lordship is not predicated in the same way right. So clearly the word lord the so the no but what I'm saying is that the word lord clearly doesn't function as
the word lord doesn't function as god
pertaining to Jesus because he's made lord. So unless you want to say he's made god.
Well hold on a sec. I'm I'm a little confused because in this verse it nom it nominally references the father as the one God and then nominally references Jesus as the one lord. So
yeah so so one God the father.
So
okay no worries. So Jesus I got you. So the one God is the father in that verse. The one Lord who you're saying is the one who's made Lord.
He made him Lord. Jesus Christ is saying it.
I'm going with you. You got to let me finish. Allow. You got to let me finish. book. Can you read Acts two? Can you read Acts two?
You got to let me finish what I'm saying and then we can go to another verse if you want. I have no problem with that.
You So talking about talking about nomally the father is God,
the son, the uh Jesus Christ is the one lord.
So if we're going by your logic and you're saying, "Oh, well see this says one God, the father."
Well, then we have to say the same thing. One lord. Okay, good. So one lord, Jesus Christ. That means that the father is the father. Is the father the is the is the father the messiah? No, he's not.
Is the son the father?
That the word
No, the son is not the father, but we're talking about the lord. So I said I said that lordship is predicated differently to the father than it is to the son. I accounted for that in my answer. So when Jesus said
no no no. So when it says that you know it says we have one God the father and one lord Jesus Christ right since since Jesus is made lord right then that means the word lord doesn't function as god pertaining to jesus
so
here of Israel listen to this Jesus of Nazareth
it says god has made this Jesus whom you crucified both lord and messiah so lordship god made him lord so in in in 1 Corinthians 8:6 it's not saying that you He's He's God cuz he's made Lord. Unless you want to say he's made God. Are you saying that?
Well, I would like to fully respond to you. No, that's not what I'm saying. But I'm using I'm using your logic. Can I can I respond to what you said?
Yeah.
Okay. So just like you said
I well I am just like you said how uh just like you said how the the word Lord the term Lord is predicated to Jesus differently than how it is to the father. The same thing applies to the word God. How it's predicated to the father differently than how it is predicated to the son. Because the father is nominally identified as God. He's God by identity, right? He's identified as God. Whereas the son Jesus is uh God is he's God by predication. So
yes he's not y
no he he is he is Yahweh. That's that's the thing. He has the same nature as him. So you you saying that the term Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Don't don't try to jump out the spot. Don't try to jump out the spot.
I have it. I have it.
Okay. I have it. I have it. So I got you. So, how many lords is there? How many lords are there according to Paul?
There's one. There's one. The word I'm going to say it again. The word Lord pertaining to Jesus functions like Messiah because he's made Lord. Okay. Lord,
where does where does it where does it say that? Where does it say that Lord and Messiah are the same thing?
Acts 23.
Okay. So, Acts 2 is going to tell us.
Okay. So, Acts 2 is going to tell us that Messiah and Lord are the same thing.
Yeah. It says God made this Jesus. No, I'm saying that lordship is not predicated in the same way to the father as it is to the son.
No, but you're saying that that you're saying that you're saying that Lord and Messiah are the same thing. That's what you're saying, right?
Yeah. That's synonymous. It's Let's see. Let's see. So, God has made this Jesus whom he
Yeah. Acts Acts 2, what?
Acts 236.
It's simply saying that. So it says,
so it says, "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ." What's the difference? Because it says both there. What's the difference between Lord and Christ?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So So So no, it's fine. It's fine. I can I can grant you that it if you want to say that doesn't the is the is lordship predicated the same way?
You got to answer my No. Hello. You got to answer the question. Hello.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You went to 1 Corinthians 8:6. You took me to 1 Corinthians 86 and you tried to play this word salad with me and you know, well, is there two lords? No. No, you try to say, "Well, is there two lords?" Well, okay. So, is lordship predicated in a different sense to the father as it is to the son?
Yes, I can agree with that. Now, could would you now now now my my turn my turn. Do you agree that lord and messiah are two different things? Oh, she muted me now. Guys,
is saying that you know
she muted me now. One God and one Lord, right? It's not saying we got one God and one God.
All right. Thanks. One God.
That's cute. I appreciate that.
So then who's the one God?
All right. I appreciate that. All right. Now you're asking another question.
Doesn't The one Lord doesn't function as God pertaining to Jesus cuz he's
Are you going to Are you going to mute me when I try to engage with you?
No. Because what you're trying to do is you're trying to do the I've seen you do it so many times. You tried to play these like tricky like word salad games.
Put y'all's words in your mouth. Huh? Hold you to the scripture. That's all I do.
No, I am. I'm holding you to the scripture.
Okay, so let's All right, so let's stick to the scripture.
We only have one Lord.
Hello. Let's stick to the scripture. Is Is there a difference between Lord and Messiah?
The moment The moment you Sure. I can grant it to you. That's not That's not what my argument That's not what my argument is dependent on. My argument is dependent on the fact No, my argument is dependent on the fact that lordship.
Yeah. My argument is dependent on the fact that lordship is not predicated to the father as it is to the son. You try to say in the same way for Godians 86 in 1 Corinthians 8:6 that like oh well is Jesus only the one lord is father not lord but the moment you can see that lordship is not predicated in the same way that it is to the son that is to the father then you now have to say that is making
looks like look like look like jabriel getting her
between the one god and the one uh and Jesus so you just went You just went on a long time. Let me respond now. Please engage with him.
Who's the one? God.
So, so now the father. You see how I just answered that was the fourth time I answer your question now. So now it's my turn. Let me speak. Please let me speak now.
Let me speak now. Hello. Relax.
Let me speak now. Your entire argument hinged on Messiah and Lord being identical, being uh synonyms of each other, interchangeable, which they're not. which we came to your own verse in Acts chapter 2 demonstrated that there's a difference between Lord and Messiah. They're not the same thing. That's why it says that God has made him let me finish.
Let me finish. Let me finish.
My argument is depending you're finish.
Appreciate it.
That's why it says God has made him both Lord and Messiah. There's two. Those are two different things. So that doesn't actually so dumb.
Let me
You're not actually dealing with my argument.
I already granted that to you.
Thank you for granting that. So now So that destroys your entire argument. Let me show you how.
Avery, show you how.
Avery, can you actually finish? Then you actually still
you're still man arguing cuz you're saying her whole argument was hinged upon the idea that both Lord and Messiah are the same man.
Okay, this guy's not he's trying to run, bro. Like this
I'm trying to run now, guys, by trying to talk. That's amazing.
No, because me responding to them and getting cut off is me running, ladies and gentlemen. That's beautiful. That's good. Opposite world and unarian responding. You're not You're not dealing with what I'm saying.
I'm literally dealing with what you're saying. Now, let me finish. Let me
Gumbo, you trying to tell me what I'm saying ain't going to help.
What she is saying is hinged upon
Hey, hello. Is this how you guys do things, man? You guys mute us? What's What's
I'm just trying to say one thing, bro.
You can say one thing after I finish.
No, you can finish after I'm done.
All right. Looks like this is what it's going to be. You guys can just kick me then if this is going to be like I'm not
I'm just I'm just saying to address our argument.
You can That's fine. That's cute. You don't have to interrupt me to say that. You're not adding to the conversation.
Address address our argument.
I appreciate it. Thank you. Now, mute up while I address it. Let me finish. So, back to what I was saying. Your argument hinged on hinged on
Lord being identical, Lord being synonymous with Messiah. Once you once you got debunked by your own verse that you brought so that look Oh my goodness. This is amazing. My argument is amazing. No, you're changing your argument now.
Your argument is changing now because you got busted.
I literally said to
your argument is changing now because you got busted. Hello
exchanges ago. I literally told you two exchanges ago that
made me to me again.
I I said fine. I said if you want to say that that's fine. But
I know. So your argument's done. He's called where he's called. No, it's not because I said that my argument still stand that because he's made Lord then we know that when it says that we have one Lord the Messiah I say that you know well Acts 2:36 alludes to it being that way but how many lords is know and you want to you want to be you want to be really picky about it. That's that's how many finished I haven't finished but if you want to be really neither did I cut off that's fine. Can you can you please allow me to finish?
But you didn't let me finish. I have no problem listening to you. Let me finish.
If you want to say that, if you want to say that like no, you know, lordship is not pred. You already conceded and you said that lordship is not predicated in the same way to the father as it is to the side. Yes, you did.
I don't have to. I didn't. That's not a concession.
I thought you recorded you. You said no, you conceded and you said lordship is not the same way to the father as it is. So there
Yeah, you conceded. So if you ask me if you ask if you ask me if my name is Avery and I say yes, is that a concession?
You were you were you were trying to say that yeah the Lord there for Jesus is functioning as the word God. So even though it says one God, it doesn't exclude Jesus cuz he's called the one Lord and somehow this is like the shama and yada yada yada yada. Right. So then I said I never brought up the shama. What are you talking about? I know. I know. But I I know. But you not you don't take the one God bit as it being exclusively about the father.
Don't say you must talk to me. You're talking to me.
Yeah. Well Well, that's what you're trying to say. Because then if you're going to say that the sentence is plainly saying that the father is our one God, then hello. Then now it's the trinity. So the word Lord doesn't function in the same way as it does for the father because Jesus is made lord. So since he's made Lord when it says we have one God the father and one lord Jesus Christ yes Jesus I can say you know both the father and the son are called lord of lords but it doesn't mean they're predicated in the same way because Jesus is made lord still drawing a comparison between the father and the son when he says the father is the one god so that that verse bakes you
all right are you done.
Yeah, I'm done.
Awesome. I hope you got it all out. Take a little breath, you know. Okay. So, um hello. I need you now to engage with my argument. When you come here, you came to Acts 2:36 and you conceded, okay, yeah, Lord and Messiah, those are two different things.
Your ar your original argument hinged on them being interchangeable, being the same thing. that Jesus being Lord is being used as him being Messiah. So basically, you could kind of just switch those words out. That was the crux of your argument in the beginning. And now that you've been shown by your own verse, I'd let you finish. Please let me finish.
Now that you've been shown by your own verse that they're not the same thing, that they're not used the same way, now you have to change your argument.
So with you understand me saying, "Let me finish pretty please." I appreciate God
with you acknowledging both of us acknowledging that the that the term Lord is predicated to the son differently than how it is to the father and vice versa with the word God is predicated to the father differently than how it's predicated to the son. It helps my argument. So with me being able to say that means that just because the term lord is predicated to the son doesn't negate the father being lord as well. Same with God. Just because the father is God. I I know. Allow me to make my argument
so that then you can respond to it. Okay.
I know you didn't say that. I'm not saying you said that.
I'm saying that this is where your logical conclusion, this will be your logical conclusion based on your theology.
You're going to have to say,
are you listening? You're going to have to say that if just because the term God is predicated to the father differently than how it is to the son and then therefore when he it says one father I'm sorry one God the father
and therefore that excludes Jesus from being God you have to do the same thing it does even though the word lord is not predicated to the father the same way as the son but since there is only one lord Jesus Christ you have to say now that that excludes the father from being lord as well. You have to do that.
Yeah. The the father is excl The father is excluded as being the lord that is made lord because the father is
it doesn't say the lord that's made lord. It says the lord period.
Is Jesus is Jesus the lord that is made lord?
Is he the lord at all?
Is he the lord at all?
Consistent. So then ask the trinity.
The father is the hold on.
No. No. Answer the question. How many lord?
I have. I have. I I did. I just told you. How many?
I just told you. I said the father is lord in a different way that the son is lord.
So how many lords?
So so yeah there's only the father is the one lord. The Jesus in that verse is the one lord in
he said the father is the one lord and Jesus is the one lord.
No no no noarian. Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus is the one lord in a way that the father is not because Jesus is made lord.
So that's not answering my question.
Yeah. Jesus is lord. How many lords? There's one lord. There's one lord that is made lord. Jesus. Wait, is Jesus identical to the father?
You're getting killed.
Is Jesus identical to the father?
No.
Huh?
What?
No.
Okay. So, the father is his own person according to you, his own being. Is he a lord?
Why?
Is he a lord?
Yeah. So, Jesus Jesus is not Lord in the way that the father Jesus is Lord.
Is Jesus I just answered you. I just answered you. You don't like the answer. I gave you an answer.
You're not giving me an answer. You don't like the Lord as well. I just gave you an answer. I said that the father is lord. No, sorry. Jesus is lord in a way that the father is not lord because he
but they're both lord. Right.
Right. So
So how many how many lords is there?
Stupid your argument is the question.
How many lords is just going to say they're the same? She just said one in a specific sense. How many lords is that? She just said one. Wait, wait, wait. So, so hold on, hold on a second. So, you just said that there's you just told me that the father is one lord in another sense
and Jesus is a lord in another sense. They muted me now.
And we have one lord.
Look at these cowards muting me, guys.
So, in this verse in verse six,
how many lords?
Jesus Jesus is the one lord. Yes. Yes. That is made lord.
Jesus is the one lord. So, the father is not lord either.
That is made lord. That the father that is made lord. Yeah. The father is not lord.
I didn't ask that. Look, look, I look I'll even correct you. The son,
the son is a lord that's made lord, guys.
The father is a lord that's not made lord. How many lords is that? How many lords is that?
Take your L. Take your L.
How many lords is that? Answer the question.
Take your L. Take your L, please. I beg. I beg.
Yeah, you you can say that all you want.
Just asking the same thing over. Looks like you're stuck here. Looks like you're stuck here.
How many lords is that?
Stuck. Do you really think this is a good argument?
Answer the question. If it's if it's a bad argument, answer the question,
bro. Bro, I just answered you, bro. Get out.
So now they're muted man trying to kick me. Guys,
answered you,
bro. Drop yourself. Let me stuck. You're stuck.
See, this is what happens as Unitarians. You become polytheist.
You become polytheist as a unitarian.
I'm going to I'm I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. Jesus is the one Lord in a way that the father is not. Why? Cuz Jesus is made Lord. Cuz God can't be made Lord. Jesus is made Lord.
How many is that?
God can't humble himself.
Okay. How many is that?
One Lord.
Can God Can God be exalted?
Lord,
can God be exalted?
No.
God can't be exalted upgrade.
Oh my god.
No. God can't get an upgrade.
So So when Psalm says that Yahweh is exalted above above all the gods, what does that mean?
Yeah. They're not talking about it in the active.
You're done. You're done. You just said that God can't be exalted.
You just said God can't be exalted. And yet Psalm says that Yahweh is exalted.
And that verse is talking about praising and glorif. Oh. Oh. Now. So now God can be exalted.
In in in Philippians 2 is happening in
happening. Yeah. After you said the same thing, you recycle the same thing like five times. In Philippians 3 was saying it like in an active sense. He actually
I don't want y'all to message me about this girl anymore.
Receive worship. You start to Wait, hold on. Was Jesus always do not message me about this girl anymore.
Was Jesus Was Jesus Was Jesus always being worshiped?
Wait, no. No, no, no. Don't Don't switch the subject. Don't do the Unitarian shuffle. Hello.
No, it matters.
Don't you dare do the Unitarian shuffle.
It matters. It matters. You went to Philippians.
Is Do you concede that Yahweh to be exalted?
My turn. My turn to do the asking cuz you did plenty of asking. So my turn to do the asking.
Guys, did you guys see? You guys saw what happened here, right? Don't over message me about Christian again. Don't do it. Don't Don't waste my time. Jesus.
Don't waste my time.
Jesus.
She can't admit that she has two Lords. She has two Lords. And And now she don't Now she don't know if Yahweh is exalted or not.
So dumb.
Now she don't know if Yahweh is exalted or not.
Just you're just you're just talking to Bruce. It's okay.
Yeah, you can say that all you want.
Was Jesus Was Jesus ever getting
They say trinitarians can't count. Unitarians can't count.
Every time she goes to ask the question, he starts talking so he can
I'm just waiting on the answer to my question. How many
your rhetoric is [ __ ] We already answered. There's one. Why you got to cuss, man? Why you got to cuss?
We There's one Lord in the specific sense of First Corinthians 8:6. That's it. That That's That's the answer to the question.
How many Lords are there?
Oh my god, you're so dumb. In the specific sense of the verse that you're referencing,
I didn't ask about a specific sense. How many lords are there? You idiot.
One. There's one. There's one. Okay. Who is that?
You don't You don't get to You don't get to
Okay. Who is that one Lord?
The one Lord is like you don't qualify. So, now let me ask you.
No. No. Let's build our answer. Let Gumbo answer. Who is it?
Hold on. Hold on. No, I want to ask you a question. I
No, let Gumbo answer. Man, let Gumbo answer, man. He got a mix of dishes.
Gumbo.
Yeah, bro. If you want to run away,
who is that one lord you said?
We already want to run away because I want to ask ain't going nowhere until y'all answer the question. How many lords y'all got? Youarian.
If Jesus is our one,
you're a polytheist.
If Jesus,
if Jesus,
you're a polytheist. Why are you a polytheist? God in the same absolute sense as the father is. Has God been worshiped by angels?
How many lords do you have?
Yeah. Has God
has God always been worshiped by angels?
How many lords do you have?
Has God's always been worshiped by angels? Please answer your question.
I'll answer that no problem once you tell me how many lords you got.
I beg. I'm just going to repeat. I beg. I beg as well. How many lords you got?
Bro, I I've been I've I've answered you.
No, you didn't. So, so okay. Okay. So from my understanding from your answer the father is
from my understanding from your answer you got two lords right
bro
was your answer too
has always been I said one in that verse one
and so then the father is not lord then
the father
so the father is not lord then guys
no I didn't say that so you're playing stupid word of games again
the father made him lord the father is not made lord lordship is not predicated in the same way so you're baked
that's tough
hey guys I I appreciate Man, y'all take care of yourself.
Yeah.
Unitarians don't know how to count.
I appreciate y'all, man. Y'all take care of yourself.
Yeah. Yeah.
Embarrassing. Let's see who's next.