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Yeah. I wanted buddy. And but I'm letting y'all get y'all [ __ ] off though, cuz I want to ask him a question.
>> Oh, no. No. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Cook up.
>> All right. So, you you said that you like him. Okay. The majority of his entire content is just him denigrating black Americans. So, I'm curious on what you like about him.
>> Well, he's like informative on food.
>> Is he informative on food or is he informative on just talking about black Americans in a negative light? Cuz that's all his content is. Every single, every single live stream that he do is something about it's something from a negative, a negative talking point about black Americans. And you know that I think you like him because you're Somali.
>> Yeah. And you probably got a negative disposition towards black Americans. So that feeds into the narrative that you got.
>> So why would you let me ask you? Let me. So why would you?
>> I don't think if you was watching a live about him negatively talking about Mexicans all day, you you would give it attention. I don't think if you was watching a live about um him talking about Nigerians all day, you would have given it attention or Japanese people all day, you would give it attention. His the only content that that dude got is sitting around talking down on black Americans. That's the only content he talk about. So, I'm curious, what do you like about him?
>> Crickets. It's not a trick question, man.
>> Sorry. Sorry, guys. I keep getting phone calls. My bad. Did you not Did you not hear the question?
>> No, I kept getting a phone call literally.
>> Of course you did. So, I'm going ask it again. What about him do you like? Because the only content that he that he put puts out there is negatively talking about black Americans. It's the only content he got. Every single live stream is him downtalking black Americans. Whether that be our culture, our history, our men, our women, whatever that is, he all he does is talk negatively about black Americans. He don't say nothing positive. So, I'm asking you, what do you like about him that he says that's just so informative when everything is about negatively talking about foundational black Americans? What about?
>> I don't think he. No, I know he he doesn't really talk [ __ ] about y'all. He talks about how.
>> Not really, bro. I think he talk he talks how like you guys should delineate in the right way or um just informative lives where how this food came from this spot. You know what I mean? It's not like yo, I'm talking about these guys.
>> Hold on. I can't hear you. Said he do the formative lives about what?
>> About food, about culture, about how black Americans did come from West Africa like they weren't they just weren't here type [ __ ] You know what I mean? And if you if you go on your ancestry.com or whatever you whatever that websites are, you can find your lineage back. You know what I mean? And he said.
>> "Well, okay. Well, let's let's let's go with that." So, you feel like that's something that's informative, right?
>> Yeah.
>> That's something that's informative. Okay. So, wouldn't that logic apply to all people? Do you believe that all life come from Africa?
>> The first person started. The first person came from African in East Africa, right?
>> So, so why don't they tell everybody else to do that? Why don't they show the Brazilians to do that? The Haitians to do that, the Jamaicans to do that. Why don't. And if if it's all people whether they melanated or not because we both can can agree that all life come from Africa quote unquote. So why don't all people have to go back in their lineage and find out that they originally from Africa?
>> You don't have to go back to that spot. I'm just saying.
>> No, you just brought it up though. You just brought it up.
>> Yeah. I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. I'm saying that what I'm saying is it's cool to know.
>> Hold on. Listen, listen, listen. Just listen to me cuz I think you you're not following what I'm saying. You said that the content is real informative and the example that you gave of it being informative was that hey, black Americans can go back in their history and look at that they come from Africa, which we don't even got to get into that, but we can. Let's just go with that though. Let's just say, yeah, it's all true. All of us come from Africa. Why does the logic not apply with all of these other people? So, why don't if we both just agree that you just said that all life come from Africa. So, why don't white people have to do that, Asians have to do that, Caribbeans have to do that? Why don't any of the other people in all different walks of life? Because black Americans is only one ethnic group of about 50 million people in America. Why don't everybody else have to look at their lineage and find out that their actual stuff come from Africa? Why don't nobody else got to do that?
>> Because most most most people know what they are. Black Americans were had 400 years worth worth of history stolen from them.
>> So it's it's much easier a lot because a black American listen no because that we are a new ethnic group. So a black American wouldn't even have existed before child before until after child slavery. So that wasn't even a new thing. So when we say stolen, you still have descendants, you know what I mean? You still have.
>> Yeah, but we just gave that all but we just g we just we we can agree that all people have those descendants. So we don't. So where are Jamaicans from?
>> [ __ ] I don't even know. Jamaica from. I don't know cuz to be honest.
>> Do are Jamaicans Jamaican or are Jamaicans West African?
>> They probably came from West Africa.
>> No, no, that's not what I asked you. Are Jamaicans Jama. So.
>> Their nationality.
>> Tell do you tell Jamaicans? Do do you tell or that person that you watch, do they tell Jamaicans to go back and look at their Jamaican history and figure out where they really from? So, ra by your logic, reay music is not Caribbean. Ray music is actually Nigerian. Wouldn't you agree?
>> It probably has some influence in it. Yeah.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now you not now you now you moving. Now you moving deflecting or something.
>> No, you. No, I don't think you deflecting. I know you deflecting cuz I'm hearing you and I have eyes and I have ears and I use my senses and I can hear what you're saying. you. What I'm telling you is the only group of people who ever have to go back and look at their so-called history and figure out that their history ain't really that. So, well, rap music isn't really that because the drums and the 808s actually come from Africa. So, that's really African music. Why don't all these other groups have to do that? Why don't the Brazilians have to do that?
>> [ __ ]
>> Where do you think the Brazilians originally came from? Let me ask you that since we going off originality. Where do you think the Brazilians originally came from? Brazilians came from. I think then they come from the Brazilians who came from Portugu Portugal came there first.
>> They came a lot. No, the a lot of the Brazilians came from West Africa.
>> Yeah, I know, but Portuguese brought that West Africans to there. Yeah. Yeah.
>> What?
>> The Portuguese brought the West Africans to Brazil.
>> It was more than just the Portuguese. Do you know how. Let me ask you this. Do you know the percentage of the people who actually made it to the to the US that came from so-called.
>> Child? It was it it was only like.
>> What percentage of people actually made it to America? What percentage of the the.
>> Very low, like like 5% or something.
>> 5%. So wouldn't it make more sense that if anybody. So let. So that. And that's good that you know that. So wouldn't it make more sense that the people who should actually go look at look back at their so-called African history will be the Caribbeans and the people from South America because they would have more African lineage than than us.
>> You know why they don't. You know why people don't do that? Because.
>> No, I'm asking you a question. You don't ask a question. I don't need you to explain why. I'm asking you. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to do that than it would be for black Americans to do that?
>> Yes. Yes. Correct. You're right.
>> So then this person that you. So then let me ask you this then. You said that this person that you watch is so informative. Why are they only informative only speaking on black Americans and nobody else? When and again, I'm using the information that you gave. I'm using the example that you gave as far as this person being oh so knowledgeable. Why is this rhetoric only pushed towards black Americans but it's not pushed towards nobody else? That's what I'm asking.
>> I don't know, bro. Because black Americans be I think really because black Americans are so.
>> So black Americans.
>> Black Americans are so like uh influential and like they're so they're they're such a controversial topic that [ __ ]
>> What? To negative people.
>> Yeah. And I think that's the. No, I'm glad.
>> I'm glad you said. Well, no. Well, no. I'm going off the negative because that person that you watch only thing he speak about is negative. So I'm glad that you said that. So you're proving my point. You jealous. You can think negative. Somebody listen. He's important or not important but like uh uh what's that word?
>> He's he's what's that word? No, I just said it. What the [ __ ]
>> He's you know he has good influence. Yeah. Yep. Exactly that word.
>> No, this is the truth. This is the truth. Let's just break this all the way down. The truth of the matter is you're right. Black Americans are very influential. We're the most influential people on the planet. This is the truth though. The reason why people like you, you're Somali, and so many other people like you gravitate towards content like that is because you are jealous. Most of y'all are jealous of black Americans. You jealous of our history. You jealous of the fact that we went through the degradation in this country and we still came out on top. You jealous of the fact that we have the culture. We smell good. We look good. We got the best music. We the most athletic people on earth. The greatest UFC fighter is a black American. The greatest boxer is a black American. The greatest musicians are black Americans. Some of the people with the most intellectual property when it comes to fighting against oppression and revolutionaries. We can go through regardless of how people feel about them. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, the Black Panther Party with Fred Hampton, we can go through all of these different people. Even our black women, Dr. Francis Quest Wilson, like we have the most influential culture across the board and a lot of y'all are jealous. So, the reason why that type of content gravitate towards you is because you can't make a comparison of a Michael Jackson to a Somalian. You can't make a comparison to a Martin Luther Martin Luther King to a Somalian. You can't make a comparison to any of these people that I've mentioned in history where I can go back or our lineage and we can go back and look at our lineage, right? My birthday isn't on January 1st. I can go back to my eighth great-grandfather from Showan, North Carolina, right? I can go back and go look at that and go look at my history. You can't do that.
>> You can't go back to. You can't. You don't have paperwork. You can't go back to that. You can't go back to your eighth 18th eighth time great-grandfather. You can't do that. And most of y'all can't do that. So, the end of the I'm going to rest my case cuz I really don't want to take over the live. But I was very curious on what argument you was going to give and you don't have one. The the truth of the matter is y'all are jealous of black American women. You tether y'all tether women are jealous of our black American women and y'all jealous of black American men and y'all jealous in general. And that's the reason why that grav that that type of content you gravitate towards it because you have a negative disposition towards us. When in actuality, the reason why you over here and you not in the slums of Somalia is because of the ancestors that I come from, Daniel come from. A lot of these people in the chat come from. Without us, you'll be back.
>> Yep. Keep cooking, my guy.
>> It ain't about cooking. It's about the truth. I don't give a [ __ ] about people agreeing with me. I'm telling you the truth. I would say the same thing if it was just me and you in a room by oursel. It don't got nothing to do with cooking and attention and [ __ ] I don't ever applause, bro. What are you talking about?
>> You know what I'm talking about.
>> But you don't even have like some kind of sarcasm in my voice or something.
>> No, no. Being you you being condescending which is fine. You don't have an actual argument. I rest my case.
>> All right, gang. Y'all be smooth. You on, bro. I don't care. I really.
>> All right, gang. See you.
>> Shout out to my dog and see. Yo, man.
>> Oh [ __ ] and cooked. Yeah, it's all good, man. Yo, everything Ann said was straight facts. We got the next person on.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> What's going on, Angry? How you doing?
>> Yeah, I'm doing good, man. I'm just from the UK. I'm black. I just wanted to say like I just think this whole us versus them is stupid. I mean I've never been jealous of American culture. What are you talking about? I love Michael Jackson. I love jazz. I love the Harlem Marissa. I don't see it as us versus them. So when I hear people saying like, "Ah, it's you against us and we're doing better than you." What? You being serious? I'm Jamaican heritage. I love Bob Marley. I love Peter Tosh. I've got my own culture as well.
>> See, I don't get why I can't love my culture and love your culture.
>> Just real quick. I want you to keep going, but I just want to go on the record saying, was he was he talking directly to you?
>> What the guy? No, he wasn't talking directly to me, but I heard what he was saying about, you know, we got Michael Jackson.
>> Talking to a guy who said talking about he was he was talking to a guy who said he thinks a man who spends his lives talking [ __ ] to foundational black Americans was a good guy. He's like, how? Context matters, but you can talk to D. You got you can talk to him. What's popping?
>> Yeah. So, what's the What's going on? Dang. What's the the issue?
>> There's no issue. You've got the issue. I was just saying that I don't see an issue. What issue do I have? Explain it.
>> No, you were saying, "Oh, you know, we do we're this. We look better than you." Jealous of us.
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you Who said we look better than you? What are you talking about? Now you making things up. What are you talking about? I ain't never say nobody look better than nobody.
>> So, you just You said what?
>> You didn't You didn't say look better, smell better. Cuz I I I heard that.
>> No, I said we have the best style, the best culture. We dress good. We look good. We smell good. I didn't say anybody looked better. I said that we look good, we smell good. So, you just added that on there. And again, you're doing what other people what a lot of y'all do. Y'all twist things and turn it into something different.
>> So, what did I say? What did I say as a collective? Because when I was speaking, cuz clearly you came into the conversation when the conversation was already going. I was speaking to one person directly to him and his people because he spoke on me and mine. So I'm I'm speaking to him and whatever he got going on. So whatever a Jamaican that left from Jamaica and went to the UK, why you have to input yourself in it and try to look at yourself as I'm a part of this, it didn't have nothing to do with you. So I'm confused on what your argument is cuz I wasn't talking about you or your.
>> I don't have an I don't have an argument. I'm saying yeah. [clears throat] That.
>> Never apologize for what? Cuz you put words on my mouth and you putting words. That's not true. Cuz I'm not speaking on I'm not speaking on you. I spoke on one person and I was speaking.
>> Okay, fair enough. Yeah, that's what I just I just said about you saying look better. Yeah, you you didn't.
>> No, no, not about that. About the other stuff, too, because you coming up here to defend something. So, if me and me and Daniel get into an argument and we talking and I feel like he was, I don't know, disrespectful over a sports debate and then you jump up and say, "Hey, man. Uh, I don't know why you're talking about me or you're you're trying to defend yourself as if I was talking to you. I was talking to Daniel. So why would you be debating yourself if I'm not speaking on you?
>> Well, because when you're talking, people can hear you what you're saying. So.
>> If you heard me, then you wouldn't speak. You if you heard me, then you wouldn't be able you wouldn't have to defend yourself cuz I was talking to one specific person. I wasn't speaking on you. So that's what you're doing right now is this is a projection. That's what you're doing.
>> Okay. Maybe.
>> I mean. [snorts] I mean, let's let's explain. I mean, we it's 131 people in here. Give a logical explanation why you would defend your position and yourself when I wasn't speaking on you or other groups of people. I was speaking on the one person I was talking to. So why would you be up here defending?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I see this conversation every day.
>> No. We not talking about other conversations. I don't care what you say what you. No, no. Because you're not going to give it you're not going to give an illogical explanation. I'm not asking about other conversations. I'm not asking about what you see. I didn't ask you about what you see or other conversations. I'm asking you about you specifically as far as the conversation that we're speaking about. I'm not talking about you and other conversations that I've heard. I'm speaking to the angry Buddha, whatever your name is. The angry Buddha. That's who I'm speaking on. So, you don't need to mention other conversations. Speak about the conversation that you heard and the conversation that we having now. Go ahead.
>> Okay. So, the conversation that we're having now. Yeah. What I see I see is us versus them mentality that you have now.
>> Okay. Where did you see me say one?
>> Where did you hear me say anything about them when I was speaking to him specifically? Well, you may not have said it to him, but I I hear this same conversation going on. You're bringing. So, this is what this is the truth. The truth of the matter is you don't have if you can if you can let me get my sentence out. I'm scared. What about what I'm going to say?
>> You on a fake page with a picture of a black American TV show called The Boond. What am I scared of? Your name is the Angry Buddha. I'm not I show my face. I'm not hiding. You're the one that's scared cuz you want a fake page. I'll let you talk. But anyway, I'll let you talk. Neither neither here nor there. You're the one that's hiding your talking to yourself. You're talking to the wall now.
>> I'm not talking to the wall cuz you responded to me. So clearly I'm talking to you.
>> No, no, no. You don't do an argument like this. You don't you don't cut someone off when they come.
>> You don't get to babble though. That's the thing. You're used to just babbling and talking. The truth of the matter is you don't have an argument.
>> You're the one you're the one speaking the most.
>> The truth of the matter is the truth of the matter is you're not answering the question. I asked you to to speak on what I spoke on and I asked you about the them part and I was speaking to one person in particular and you keep going back to other conversations that you hear. You keep saying, "Well, I usually hear these type of conversations." I'm not asking about no other type of conversation. We're talking about this one. So, if you're going to stay on topic, stay on topic because what you doing is you want to get on off you want to get off topic so we can follow that. We're not going to follow BS. Stay on topic.
>> Okay. So, if you you you thought the guy was jealous of you, why do you think he's jealous of you?
>> No, I didn't. Because of because of the reason why he would be watching the person. Did you even. Let me just ask you this. Did you even hear the initial conversation how I started? No, he couldn't. He couldn't have heard it.
>> Did you hear it?
>> I'm just asking you why you think he's jealous.
>> No, no, cuz we. No, we wasting our time. Did you hear the start of the conversation? Yes or no?
>> Well, there's 147 people in here that want to know why you think he's jealous.
>> I'm asking you. No, we're not. Again, you keep deflecting. That's not what they want to know.
>> I'm asking you, did you hear the start of the conversation in the context of my my why me and that man was having a back and forth? Yes or no?
>> I may have came in halfway.
>> So, you argue, you debating to debate. Thank you for Thank you for proving my point. Go ahead, D. You got a stupid ass.
>> Shout out to my dog and.
>> Yo. Hey, you know, now I think the problem is a lot of y'all have this this uh preconceived notion of foundational black Americans that when y'all hear us defending ourselves, y'all take it as an attack. Uh maybe in some cases, but I will say when I when I say FBA, there there are some FBAs that are very cool that I speak with every day, but there's some FBAs that are not so cool and they have a force. They have a force they bring up pseudo history and pseudocience. Do you know what I'm saying? They say [ __ ] like, oh, uh, all African music is like just made in America. It's not inspired by Africa. What are you talking about? I'm not going to. This is what I'm trying to say. This is what annoys me. I'm put wait. Are you trying to say. Hold on real quick. Take a step back. A lot of movement in your background. That's kind of annoying. But are you saying.
>> That all American music, black American music is inspired by Africans?
>> Uh, the origins of it is in Africa. I'm not saying it's.
>> No, it's not.
>> It's not. No.
>> It's not.
>> So, where poly rhythms come from?
>> What? I didn't know what that is.
>> Poly rhythms. When you're doing a beat and beats, where do they come from? African drums. I mean, are we just going to ignore Africa?
>> Wait, wait. Are you making an argument? See, this is what y'all do, right? Just because [ __ ] played the drums in Africa.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz war drum, you know, war drums has been a thing since the beginning of time, right?
>> Of course. Yeah. China. Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's an instrument. Human beings have simp what you do with that instrument is the music. Our music is completely different from y'alls. All right. So, do you consider yourself black British or you like Caribbean British or something like that? What do you go by?
>> Black. Uh, I call myself black.
>> British.
>> I mean, I'm in the I'm in the UK. On paper, I'll be black British. Yeah. I've never really called myself British.
>> I have some friends from the UK. Well, not friends, but just just let you know. Her name is [ __ ] She's from the UK, and she is Caribbean heritage British. and she understands that the black British thing is eraser. So I'm assuming you're a Panaffrican, right?
>> Yeah. I'm I'm of Panaffrican mindset.
>> Yeah.
>> Gosh. Okay, cool. All right. So that explains a lot. That's what it is.
>> You mean. Oh gosh, that explains a lot.
>> It just explains a lot. Like you guys are kind of like outdated with your views. um you got to speak about this one global thing, but all you really want to do is kind of go to capitalistic countries and, you know, save up and never have you ever been to Jamaica before?
>> I mean, I would say one of the one of the people that we look up to in America, Malcolm X, a black American, he was a he understood panafricanism. There's there's many black Americans that understand panafricanism. Just say you don't speak.
>> Don't don't don't don't speak other black Americans. You can't speak for.
>> What is the goal?
>> I'm a black American. I have more say to speak for black American than you.
>> You can't speak for all black Americans.
>> I think I have more of authority to speak for black Americans than you do.
>> Well, there's some black Americans are pan-Africanists.
>> You think Malcolm X was pan-Africanist?
>> Um through his words and what he said about Africa, including his autobiography. Yes. Did you read his autobiography?
>> Yeah.
>> You You couldn't have read. Okay. So, in the chapter Icarus, what did he say?
>> Refresh my mind. You said you read the book. Icarus is probably one of the most important chapters in the book. What did he say?
>> No, but you refreshed my mind.
>> Do you know who Detroit Red was?
>> Detroit Red? Was it not him? You read the book?
>> I read the book. Yeah. I don't remember a single page. I do I do remember him saying like I do remember him saying that he believes that all black people should have a Panaffrican mindset. I believe that was in the last um.
>> Do you do you know who Dro?
>> I was I was I was convinced that it was time for all Afroamericans to join the world's panafricanists. I said that physically we afroameric.
>> Yeah, that was in 1960s. Cool. I'm asking you, do you know who Detroit Red was?
>> See, now you're being disingenuous cuz I'm putting you in your place. Malcolm X was a Panaffricanist. I don't know. I don't know why you have.
>> Did you read the chapter Icorus? I'm asking you a specific question.
>> I said refresh my mind. You got me on that one and I got you on this one. So, I don't know.
>> No, you don't have me on that one. I see. If you read the chapter Icarus, then that [ __ ] is mute. So, for those of y'all who watching, cuz I understand everybody did not read the book. Everybody talks about Detroit Red but don't actually know the story. So Malcolm X born and raised when we get there in foundational black American culture 100%. His dad was a Garveyite. This is what he's talking about. Marcus Garvey was expelled from the US, moved back to Jamaica and he died in London. That is the story of Marcus Garvey. The black foundational black American thought leaders at the time referred to him as a scam artist and he got locked up in federal prison. Now let's go back to what I was getting at. If people have read the autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, do you know what they would have known? In the chapter Icorus, Malcolm X said, "Make no mistake that it was the Nation of Islam and the most honorable Elijah Muhammad who gave him his wings." Cuz before he had his conversation with the most honorable Elijah Muhammad in prison, he was Detroit Red, the one that carried two weapons. the robber, the pimp, the murderer. Well, not murderer, but the robber, the pimp. That's who he was. It was a Nation of Islam and their teachings that reformed Malcolm. He was not a Panaffricanist. Now, toward the end of his life, and this is not really going, this is not a shot at Malcolm when I say this, but I want everybody to understand the full scale of what we were dealing with. Malcolm X came up with Muhammad Speaks aka the final call today. He understood propaganda and to fight that propaganda he put out his own newspaper countering what they did for the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. So he watched people take the paper, sell it, boom, boom, boom. And that was their way of fighting back of all the negative things they were saying. Malcolm understood propaganda. He understood marketing. He understood everything. Malcolm also had a plan to take the black American plight before the world court. Now, in doing this, yes, he went around in Africa seeing if other countries were down to do the same. [snorts] Now, as far as black Americans go, this is Malcolm words, by the way. He got his thought process from the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. The most honorable Elijah Muhammad made it very clear. He's only talking to the Asiatic black man in North America, which is us. He's been on the delineation situation since the 30s. So all this Panaffrican nonsense is BS. All Panaffricanism is is an excuse for them to extract resources from capitalistic countries. That's it. The man lives in Britain, born and raised in Britain, I mean the UK. Born and raised there, but won't claim the country because he feels no connection to it. But will you go back to Jamaica? The answer to that question is no. He's going to stay right there in the UK.
>> No, no, no. Why you saying that? That's an assumption.
>> Have you been to Jamaica before? Of course, I've been to Jamaica and I do plan to go back there.
>> When do you plan on going back? A.
>> Few years. But the thing is.
>> Right?
>> One of the what are the what are the benefits of fragmentation when we have.
>> What's the fragmentation?
>> Well, the fragmentation is the fact that you guys are in America in a capitalist society. Yeah. We know that English the English colonalized America. They they colonized Jamaica, you know, the Dutch they they.
>> And the Spanish and the French.
>> Okay. Okay. But we see what we see in the world today is we see America's a superpower. We see Trump going around the world pushing his white supremacy. It looks like the white people are sticking together by any means necessary. They're going to stick together. So what is the benefits of fragmentation for the black people on the planet?
>> You're asking me what's the benefits? Okay, let me ask you something. Right. First off, delineation, because we don't call it fragmentation, delineation helps foundational black Americans. Let me explain to you why. People from the Caribbean and Africa before 1965, the US government was only letting 100 month people in per year. Look this up. We went to our government. We said, "You know what? Your policies are prejudice. You need to fix it." In response, you started seeing people come over from Jamaica, the Caribbean, all the other islands, and um even the YT people came started coming over in in uh Africa. And when they got over here, the first thing they did was hop on code with the white supremacist. To this point, have a hear me. Am I good, Sam? Am I good? I had a phone call. Anyway, to the point where you got. Can you hear me? Check one, two. Can you hear me?
>> I can hear. I can hear.
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Somebody. Damn it. All right. Anyway, long story short, right? You got Jamaicans like Byron Donald, Dolores Tucker, and all these other people from the Caribbean, from Haiti, all of that will get on national TV and say [ __ ] like we don't need black history and tell us we should start crying over slavery. So all of that world unity stuff, you can't say we don't do that. We've done that. And in response, we've got knives in the back. You fast forward the tape now in South Africa during the apartheid movement foundational black Americans was like you know what that's wrong entertainers our activists wrote to their senators wrote to their state representatives wrote to the president at the time and told them hey you need to condemn those actions over there that is wrong and if you don't you'll be on the wrong side of history within a year or so you see the apartheid movement come crashing Now Nelson Mandela is freed and the rest of that is history in um Bikina Fossil. I mean, we currently right now Bikina Fossil it is foundational black Americans that were telling the IMF they have to make they have to look at them. You have to consider them for loans for Ibraham to not to mention all the stuff in Ethiopia. Not to mention the the Goodwill missions to Nigeria. We have helped every single country in the diaspora. The question for y'all is what has pan-Africanism done for foundational black Americans? We can tell you what we've done for them, but what have they done for us? I'm listening.
>> I mean, I would say that pan-Africanism is also about looking to the future. I mean we we can see that globalization is rapidly increasing. So the question is do you feel that America is going to be a superpower forever? Cuz you you class yourself as a black American.
>> Hold on. Take a step back. What you didn't answer the question. What have they what has pan-Africanism done for us as foundational black Americans?
>> Well, that's what I'm trying to say. Like pan-Africanism is like a foundation for us to unite so we can grow in solidarity. Has it done for foundational black America?
>> Well, I can't think of anything to date.
>> So, nothing.
>> Yeah, but you're missing the actual goal.
>> Time out. Let's take a step back. Let's take a step back.
>> Assuming that America is going to be a superpower forever.
>> Sir. I'm going to let you rock out, right? I'm let you rock out again. Real quick, I want you to just answer the question. What has foundational black Americans [snorts] done for pan-Africanism? A whole lot. What has pan-Africanism done for foundational black Americans? Nothing. You can't think of anything. So, we've got nothing from this relationship. Just giving. All right. What you was going to say? Because we establishes nothing. Now, what am I missing? What am I missing?
>> So, I was going to say that you It seems like maybe you're assuming that America is going to be a superpower forever. So, with panafricanism, it's all about creating a destiny that we all going to all going to share eventually.
>> This is promised land that nobody can see.
>> Well, we can see that America's on the decline. We can see [snorts] it happen. I mean, you might be able to see it. The UK is on decline. The west is in decline. That's why they're acting so crazy right now. So the question is are we.
>> So in other words, you don't have an answer for what pan-Africanism has done. I mean, what you're trying to tell me is what it will do.
>> Well, the thing is I think that you're seeing it from a different perspective because the way I see it, many of you black Americans are African.
>> That's not That's not what I'm saying. Listen. All right, let's do it this way. Right. Ghana just expelled a bunch of Nigerians from Ghana.
>> Yeah.
>> Why is that?
>> I don't know.
>> Okay. South Africa just expelled a bunch of Nigerians, Zimbabweans, and people from Bikina Faso from South Africa and they from Tanzania, right?
>> Why is that? Well.
>> That sounds like xenophobia to me. They're on the continent.
>> And who does that benefit? Does that benefit any black people or does that benefit? [clears throat]
>> It benefited South Africans.
>> It benefited South Africans.
>> Benefits white supremac. Wait, let me get straight. So when the Bohemians kicked the Haitians out of the Bahamas, who did that benefit?
>> Say that again. When the what?
>> The Haitians.
>> Yes. have been deported in mass from the Bahamas. Who does that benefit?
>> I don't know. But where you getting at?
>> I'm telling you, nowhere on the planet are they practicing pan-Africanism outside of America. The black Americans have been the only ones helping out other people in your diaspora.
>> Yeah. And I'm asking you what benefit is it to us? The answer to that was none. All you guys are saying is hey if America falls then you know we have a base. I saw Haiti fall which is an all black country. I saw Haitians reaching out to the Bahamas which is another black country. So y'all say and I watch the Bahamas tell the Haitians no Nigeria is an all black African country. I watched them reach fail state. I watched the Ghanaians their neighbors tell them no. I watched South Africa fall. And I remember people were deporting runaway South Africans back to South Africa dur during a part. I watched as they kicked the Tanzanians, the Nigerians, and the people from Bikina Fossil all out of South Africa last week. So where is anybody outside of black Americans practicing panafricanism? Let me know. So you don't think anyone's practicing Panaffrican isn't outside of America?
>> I'm asking you where where you see it.
>> So I am currently well let's just say there are people who are currently in business from the UK with people in Africa. Okay. In Nigeria, Ghana [snorts] in the hopes of building a place where we can go and teach artificial intelligence. Yeah.
>> And we can do that from the UK.
>> No, but I don't think you understand. So that that is panafricanism. You you seem to think panafan is something complicated. It's not. Me actually speaking to you or a black American and talking about creating business and opportunities is panafricanism.
>> No, it's not.
>> It's it's one of the things that we need to do in order to.
>> You know what? You know what? You're right. You're right. You're right. So, who is the father of panafricanism again?
>> Uh the American guy, it the mixed race guy. Well, that's what that's what.
>> Marcus Messiah Garvey, right?
>> Marcus Garvey, but um I believe.
>> He's he's widely known as as the.
>> Yeah, he's he's famous for he's famously known for it. Yes.
>> So, let me get this straight. So, the guy when Marcus Garvey when he came to America, he this is what he said he noticed about black Americans that we were enterprising and intelligent. Now, he raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from black Americans.
>> On a ship to take them back to Africa. Mission failed.
>> He's been arrested.
>> He was arrested.
>> Yeah.
>> Deported back. I don't know if he tried, but he he damn sure collected the money. He was arrested. Deported back to Africa. I mean, deported back to Jamaica and he died in London. He never stepped foot in Africa. Now, the Panaffrican model from what I'm seeing is I could be wrong, but just from what I'm seeing is extract wealth and resources from capitalistic countries with nothing tangible to offer. So when I talk to y'all and y'all tell me nothing when I ask you what has it done for us, you know, the Red Cross wasn't concerned with helping out children in Africa until black Americans got involved with that, right?
>> Well, look what the Chinese do. Do you know what I'm saying? If you're going to help out someone in Ghana, for example, why don't you can take a piece of that land, too? Why why can't you do that? Why can't you put your.
>> You know, you know what? Let's talk about it. You remember that movie that came out? It was called Black Panther in 2019 or 2017, whatever that was.
>> Marvel. Yeah, Black Panther. Yeah, Marvel.
>> Did you go see it?
>> Yeah. Well, Ghana was like, "Let's do the year of return."
>> And black Americans, they they pandered heavily to black Americans. Black Americans went over there and spent tens of millions of dollars repatriating themselves back to the land. Do you know how many scams, how much, how many millions of dollars black Americans got scammed out of to the point where there were several homeless people? Like this one brother, I don't know why he would do this, but he did. He took his whole family over there. He got there, realized they didn't build the house. They were sending him pictures. They weren't really him. Tribal chief never knew who he was. Didn't know what he had going on. and he was destitute. Came back to America with nothing. Living in a van. He was living in a van outside of Chicago. Last time I talked to him, that was a couple years ago. Do you know the Ghana government said nothing about this? They scam so many black Americans to the point where they even selling Jun packages right now for Ghana. They are scammers. Nigerians the same way. That's when black Americans try to invest in them. They scam. They lie. They cheat. They steal. They rob. And we say, "You know what? I get it. Easy to make the argument, hey, that's what scammers do. Let's not put that jacket on the whole continent. I'm with you 100%." However, their interactions between each other are the same way. Bro, I just watched them expel all the Nigerians out of Ghana. And I watched the people uh uh um in South Africa kick everybody out. And the guy made a good point. He said, "Listen, we don't have enough as it is. When they come over and they undercut us, that puts us in a messed up situation." And he's not lying. So if they're not practicing that on the continent and you come to me and you say, "You know what? We should do pan-Africanism. I don't I don't know if I support that. I don't know if I support that. Matter of fact, I don't support that." And as a matter of fact, there's articles from our ancestors in the 1920s. This is what black Americans were saying 1920s. We should focus on pan-American affairs. people. So, do you have a problem with people practicing Panaffricanism?
>> I don't really care one way or another. I just think it's I think it's ridiculous. I think it's like if somebody tell me that if you tell me that you worship a marshmallow, that's your business. I don't care. But when you try to tell me worshiping a marshmallow is good for me and my people, then I'm going to tell you [ __ ] off. Make sense?
>> Yeah, that makes sense respectfully cuz um if it works for you, it works for you. And if it works for me, it works for me.
>> Listen, but that's the thing though, right? The people extracting the resources are always going to see it it being working. You know what I mean? Like [ __ ] is begging. We giving to them.
>> You're acting like there's no black Americans or successful business in Africa, man. There. Come on. There's got to be.
>> You know, I'm going to tell you a story, right? I want you to think about this. There's a guy by the name of 19 keys. He um he went to I think it was Ghana, one of those countries, and he was talking about investing in there, right? He was talking about his investments and how good the investment is and all of this stuff, right? And from his standpoint, he's right. You can invest, but keep in mind, he was brought by the brought there by the richest person in the country. Yeah. Coffee. That's what that was saying. Somebody investing in coffee is good for him. Yes. because he has a big following, a huge platform. They're going to make sure his investments go the way they're supposed to go. But they're going to tell you with an investment comes risk. And they're not wrong about that. However, they're not going to tell you about the chances of your investment failing because they're there to extract the resources. So yes, there are several successful businesses that people have in Africa where they make lots of money. They make so much money. They talk about it so much on social media, you know, so you can keep investing in them and then you keep investing and keep investing and you don't get anything back. It's a scam for the most part. You let me know how Pan African turns out for you, man. Thank you, bro. Thank you for the Thank you for the conversation.
>> Yep. You take it easy, big dog. See, when these people come on live and and shout out to the homie and CEO for pulling up, but aunt made a really good point. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, a made a really good point. When you talk to these people and they bring up the Panaffrican nonsense, it's never to our benefit. They're speaking on their part. They know the influence foundational black Americans have. Our influence is, guess what? We get things done. We have been fighting white supremacy longer than anybody anybody and being successful at it. We started out as slaves in our fight for white supremacy. This is history. I'm walk you through history. Right from that, we got free. We fought black holes. We fought Jim Crow. We fought discrimination. We got civil rights. And to this day, we still fighting case by cases. And you want to know something? We have forced white supremacy to reinvent itself several times.