MICHAEL HERRERA EXPOSES Shocking UFO Crash Retrievals

Okay, cool. So you fly out on the helicopter in this group, and then, uh, and then what happens? I guess, so what happens at that point at the site? Well, I can't necessarily talk about that, but let's just say, um, I was able to see things with my own eyes that would basically make people understand that everything crucial to this world is not topside; it is underground. And that's all I'm going to say about that.

Unfortunately, when, uh, the purpose of that facility is to actually take down ET craft, and they do this about two to three times a year. Oh, that's amazing! Chris Ler, welcome to Ler Files. I told him that every single person I knew who knew about what he had seen had not lived to tell this story. Thank you, and welcome to Michael Herrera. Welcome to the show, everyone. Amazing interview here. Unbelievable!

I know a lot of people have negative feelings towards Dr. Greer, but if you can just imagine standing up on 12 June and saying the things that Michael Herrera says here. This is back on 12 June of 2023, this past summer. He gets linked with an insider who claims to be in a high position, some sort of leader in this organization that actually captures UAP craft. They shoot him down. It's just an unbelievable story.

I'd like to play a short clip to introduce Michael. This is from Steven Greer's disclosure event, and then we'll get right into the interview. Thanks for being here.

We were attached to the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, which conducts maritime operations all throughout Southeast Asia in conjunction with the Seventh Naval Fleet, which houses one, uh, Landing Hilo Deck or LHD among LPDS, which is what I was on, called the USS Denver. Ironically, that's where I'm from, so it kind of felt like home.

Now, um, during that operation in Katana and the Philippines, they had actually heard that a tsunami and earthquake hit the western part of Sumatra, which is Western Indonesia, uh, Padang City more specifically. Out of all the ships in the Seventh Fleet, the ship I was on was the only one that was routed to that location.

So, um, this happened on September 30th. We were briefed that there were some of President Obama's family members that were present in the city or somewhere near there. They had a SEAL platoon that was ready to go to retrieve those people. We were briefed that we were going to be armed during this operation.

So, um, they ended up selecting certain Marines to go ahead and do this. We were only in sticks of, uh, six Marines, so it had NCOs on top of other Marines to help with that. So, we again boarded CH-53 Super Stallions, which are gigantic helicopters, roughly 100 feet long. I love the design of them; it's my personal favorite.

Um, but we end up boarding this on the ship, and we flew to the southwestern part of the city, which is Padang. We got off the bird, and what we were instructed to do at that point through the briefing was to push to high ground, at least to get better observation. We treaded up about 300 meters. We got to this high point. I was taking video with a camera, and I had actually turned to the north, which just kind of slopes down.

Right there was something that stuck out like a sore thumb, especially with jungle terrain. Things like that are always going to be basically imprisoned in my mind for the rest of my life, and it has been for 14 years. It was something that was rotating, transitioning between colors like a light matte gray as well as a dark matte black.

So, in between, that's what it kept. It was very smooth. We had all looked at each other as we got online, and we decided to investigate. Once we got down this slope, we were approximately 150 meters away from this craft.

Okay, welcome to LOF Files. I am here with Michael Herrera. Mike Herrera has an amazing story from Indonesia in 2009, where he actually saw a very large UFO, and that is not the end of the story. He has a new source, an insider source, releasing information that I trust, and the story is just amazing.

So, thanks for your time, Mike. Thanks for being here.

Thank you for allowing me to come on.

Okay, we were chatting a little bit before. As, um, you know, why are you speaking out? You know, what's your goal in this?

Well, um, I mean, obviously, with the illegal secrecy behind things that, you know, exist on this nature, I mean, if you were to ask me prior to my experience whether that stuff actually existed, I would actually say that you're probably nuts. I didn't believe in any of that stuff.

So, I think it's more of a sense also to get people to understand that this stuff is very real. This stuff is very, very complicated, and it's very well, um, woven into our government, into everyday life, so to speak.

As far as them trying to keep it secret, the other thing as far as learning all of this, um, going through this journey too, is the world that we could potentially have if the technology was to have been, uh, mass-produced to the public instead of just keeping it for an illegal secret organization that all they do is use it for nefarious purposes and just to further their own agendas.

You know, um, there's a lot of breakthroughs that could happen, and that's not just, um, transportation-wise, but we're talking about medical, we're talking about the economy, we're talking about technology with power. Um, poverty would basically end overnight, you know?

So, I think getting this information out is also pulling other people who've had experiences maybe similar to this. Also, the fact that people directly involved running these operations, so to speak, to also come forward to get them at least to talk to the right people.

So, I think what a lot of people in the back end are now starting to understand, and this is what I've been briefed with, a lot of Senate Intelligence Committee, um, even some, uh, members of the Special Intelligence Service who actually oversee all the letter agencies, is the compartmentalization of what they thought existed on their end is much more complex with these organizations.

So, getting this information to them, all of a sudden, it's connecting all the dots from my testimony, brushes many of the 40 to 50-plus other whistleblowers. All of our stuff is connecting. There's stuff that I've exposed that's also making sense for other people, uh, of why this would happen or how it could happen, um, or what the examples that have given at least, uh, some of the documentation, which you're going to provide to some of the people, at least with this book, um, how that connects the dots on how these people are retrieved and how they ultimately, uh, reverse engineer the craft or even use the technology to begin with.

Okay, and you mentioned there, yeah, that, um, they contacted you essentially, and that's really because what I saw you first was on your 12 June disclosure with Dr. Greer. I saw that. So, yeah, you were there in Washington, um, and you told this story. I believe was that the first time you told the story, uh, publicly?

Yes, um, prior to that, April 27th is when I had my meeting with the Pentagon, uh, Special Intelligence Service, as well as a spe, uh, Senate Intelligence Committee, and, um, with numerous other people, including some senators and congressmen that I can't give names to just because of the NDAs that I've signed, um, just to keep them protected for one.

And two, I mean, I understand where they're coming from, but at the same sense, that's kind of where this started. Um, my personal opinion at that time was I didn't think they were going to take this serious.

Once the sources in these operations came forward on the back end of things and corroborated what I saw, except for the ones running the operations, they explained further in detail for what I saw, what the purpose of it was, and why and how they do it.

So, that was kind of, um, how do I put it? Um, that kind of ruined their day, so to speak, because, you know, again, it's kind of, it's not necessarily a pleasant thing to talk about. It's not something that's cool. It's not something, I mean, it's very real stuff. People are losing their lives from this, whether it's voluntary or not, you know?

Um, there's other means that, you know, and it's just from what they've explained to me, there's also a darker side of it that I may not know, which actually may have things involve human trafficking and things like that. Because what would stop them if our conventional military and government can't stop them?

Because their technology is thousands of years more advanced compared to our most sophisticated aircraft. What's going to stop them? Nothing. They're going to keep pressing forward with it, make as much money as they want to, bend the rules, break the laws, because there's nothing holding them accountable.

So, ultimately, going through this journey, um, getting some accountability there, I think is definitely going to help because then you're going to have other things on the back end transpired to that too with accountability.

Okay, and let's start, I guess, with, um, the actual craft. You know, this is from, uh, Reddit. So, Joey is not my name. Okay, so Joey is not my name. He actually contacted me, uh, and Joey's not my name. Um, I verified his real identity, and he has actually been spending a ton of time on Reddit looking into your case.

So, before he contacted you, I understood he did get in contact with you to ask many of these questions, um, but he has gone through a very exhaustive, um, list here. And so, my first question, just because we have this graphic up here, is, is this what you remember that craft looking like? I know it was from 2009, but what is your recollection of the actual craft itself that you saw in Indonesia?

It's pretty accurate. Um, you know, there's obviously the distance that we were at. You're not going to really see the fine details up as if you were to see it up close, right? So, as far as from a distance, yes, that looks very accurate to what I saw.

Okay, and then there's been some questions on the actual color and the material, and the, uh, it would change basically. Um, you go into any further detail on that? Because we, it has come up in other cases as well.

Yeah, right. So, the whole craft itself was changing colors. It wasn't just like specific parts of it. Everything, both craft on, and it was going from a light matte gray to a dark matte black.

So, if you were to, like, the only way I can say how it was changing is if you had one of those light switches that you can move up and down instead of just the flips, right? You can gradually set the setting of how bright you want it manually. That's almost like you're kind of going like this. That's what it was like, almost. It was almost like a pulsating color is the only way I can describe that, except obviously going from light matte gray to dark matte black.

Okay, and then, yeah, basically you sized it based off of the CH-53, correct?

Yep, because, uh, usually, um, a CH-53 is going to be roughly 100 feet in length from nose to tail. And this thing, I mean, at the distance we were, I mean, you, as a Marine, you get pretty good at judging distances just because of how to employ your weapon systems.

So, judging the distance with this craft where we were at the trees, I mean, everything in that distance, you can pretty much kind of gauge it, and that's how I was able to at least kind of roughly estimate that you could fit at least from nose to tail three of those CH-53s right underneath of it, which would equate to around 300 feet.

Okay, and I've covered a lot of this on my channel before. You can, if anyone in the audience wants to watch that, it's called Black Ops, so there'll be a link in the description. You can check out the full video here.

This was after the earthquake in Sumatra, right? In 2009, from what I understand, it was nine or ten days after the actual earthquake?

Yes, um, so September time frame, um, is when the actual earthquake happened, I believe September 30th, if I'm not mistaken. And then, obviously, we were dealing with humanitarian assistance out in the Philippines originally first, and my ship was the only one that was routed to go to the western side of the Dank City, at least on the western side of, uh, um, Indonesia, or what Sumatra would be.

Um, the city at least where we were nearby was Padang, so we were the only ship there, um, which was kind of odd. But, I mean, it's the Navy, it's the Marine Corps. At that time, I wasn't, you know, very well versed in how things work in the military, so it may be not to me, but to them, there's perfectly logical reasons why they'd only have one ship with, you know, 300-plus Marines, if that, and that's including logistic support, all that kind of stuff on top of the sailors and all the, uh, basically support assets they've got to lend us for, uh, doing any kind of assistance, whether it's security, maritime operations, you name it.

And what was your mission there? You know, were you, why were you sent there, and what did they tell you on this little mission you were going off on?

So, we were originally briefed in the officer's mess, um, the ward room. They had talked about, um, President Obama's family members being there, so there was a SEAL platoon that was going to engage at least retrieving those people.

But our original thing, because Indonesia is the second largest terrorist capital in the world, they do a lot of training out there. I mean, there's a lot of, uh, Muslim people that live out there. I mean, that's the demographic of religion out there.

And not, you know, and not to say that, you know, all Muslims are bad because that's what, you know, media tries to portray these days, trying to fearmonger, but that's the typical domain.

So, if you're looking at an aspect of where, yes, there's going to be people who are not friends of Americans, they're going to think less of us, they're going to want to harm us. They're going to want to harm, and to some people, that doesn't go to a religious side; that just goes to a personal side of things of what they feel.

So, because of that reason, every time there's a natural disaster in that area, the enemy likes to try to take over the area. They try to name kill, um, you know, whatever it is that they do that is not good.

Uh, what you could have a picture in your mind, that's what these people like to do. They're very sick. But at the same time, we were there as more of a security element to make sure that some of these shipments that they were dropping supply-wise were going to basically be secured because there is a risk of an enemy force coming to that LZ and potentially opening fire.

So, uh, because of what we were equipped with, such as just M16 A4s, because that was a SAW gunner, so there's no reason for a SAW gunner to go, you know, because that's more of a combat operation compared to just, you know, humanitarian assistance or security.

So, I was equipped with the M16 A4, and all of us were, and that's what we were doing. We got on the bird, they briefed us a little bit, told us, you know, and especially at that time, being a rank, you know, you're not going to, you're going to basically just follow orders and just say yes sir, no sir, all that kind of fun stuff and do as you're told, and that's it.

And that's what we did was basically provide, tried to provide security, and, uh, that's when basically things just started to take a turn.

Joey's not my name again from Reddit, verifying the events around Michael Herrera's encounter, part one.

Okay, so yeah, I would recommend anyone who's interested to read through, and basically he's gone through everything that he can corroborate, right?

So, this is from Joey. I've been disheartened by the attitude of the community.

Yeah, so quick to dismiss. Go ahead.

I mean, I'm thankful that he did what he has been doing because he's been very helpful in even trying to get information for myself, at least to figure out, um, you know, um, map reading. I mean, things like that, trying to figure out where this exactly happened because, I mean, if I was a pilot or if I was somebody who had a map, I could probably point out where.

But there's only certain things you can do with terrain association, not to mention because this is 14 years later, they could have expanded. There's things that they've done to the city, that area may be, you know, there's a lot of variables at play here.

So, when I went through my meeting with the Pentagon in April, one of the things that I asked them was if you guys have the ability to look at map data from 2009 during those particular time frames, then that would have helped. And all I heard was crickets. They have not been able to get back to me on that.

I've sent numerous emails to my contact in the Pentagon, and they have not sent me anything, not even an acknowledgment of, "Hey, we received your email; we'll get back to you." Nothing.

And these are all, yeah, so he has in here all the verifiable, um, facts, right? That basically you were on the Denver, confirmed that USS Denver was there, um, it was in the area.

Oh, so they, that ship, I think a couple years ago, as a matter of fact, and they actually sunk it.

Oh, really? Okay.

Yeah, so one point he talked about was, um, weapons. You know, I guess he interviewed other people in your platoon, and they don't remember having any weapons.

Um, no. You know, how do you, I guess, how do you respond to that, I guess?

Well, because a lot of them weren't on the team that I was on. Um, I wasn't attached to my platoon per se just because I was with mess duty, so they basically signed sticks.

So, you weren't originally with who you would be with your mechanic men. So, you know, there's a couple guys that were with me at that point who were also on mess duty that could attest to this too, but I'm not, uh, I'm not going to give any identities of who was with me, obviously, just because I'm trying to keep them safe, and they also don't want that information being released out.

A lot of them weren't friends, or not friends, I should say, but they're not friendly to the idea just because the fact of, um, you know, there's a risk associated with it. I mean, there's things that have happened to me even since talking about this kind of stuff, and it's been crazy, so I don't wish that on them.

Uh, some of these guys are still in the military to an extent. Some of these guys are doing things that are great. They got families. I just have a wife, that's about it, and, uh, you know, obviously my dad and all that, but these guys have kids, you know? Um, a lot more to lose, so to speak, so I understand.

Cool. Well, yeah, so I would just, for anyone who's interested or, you know, doesn't believe your accounts, I would, you know, recommend they go and check out this Reddit link verifying the events, really, that many of the events around your, uh, 2009 Indonesia encounter, um, can be verified and were verified.

And so, yeah, thanks to Joey for doing that. Anyone that has further questions about the event can go check it out here, but I'd like to focus on, um, this, which is just, uh, kind of an amazing story.

You mentioned since you made that, um, disclosure at the disclosure event, at least publicly, 12 June, um, you mentioned, uh, these containers and the operations, etc. And after that, you had someone contact you. Can you talk about how that went and really how you fell into this, how you learned about this?

So, um, this was, this was in July. Um, Dr. G basically forwarded me a message from somebody that he's been getting information from, and, uh, this person has been in this organization.

Um, and I don't know the specific name of it for obvious reasons. I mean, what people have to understand is I'm learning as much as everybody else here, and I've said that in every interview, uh, relaying this type of information that they've been giving me.

So, it's just the same thing as you guys. I'm also new to this. I'm also learning it. I just hear it directly from the source, and then you guys hear it from me.

And I wish hopefully one day, if everything boils over and things go as they should, at least as what we plan, maybe he could even explain publicly to an extent of what the actual operations were entailed to that.

So, uh, July time frame, I received a message from Dr. Greer from, uh, giving me a contact information of this source, and it's a group of individuals that are in this organization.

And, uh, all he told me was, "Here's his contact number. Go ahead and reach out to him. He wants to talk to you."

So, I sat on it for a day because that is something that I never expected to have happen. I thought I was just going to go to Washington, D.C. I thought I was going to do Dr. G's event. I thought I was going to do the National Press Club, and, uh, that was it.

You know, they had to relay on some text messages from some of the Marines that were with me, um, which were, you know, the Senate Intelligence Committee has all that information as well as well as Special Intelligence Service.

So, um, this individual, I had this information, and I kept, uh, all the what-ifs started playing in my head, you know? Um, kind of freaking me out, honestly.

So, I sat on it for about a day, and then I reached out to him the next, uh, that next morning. And I originally called him at first, which usually I just call people and say, "Hey," you know, like instead of just trying to text.

But, um, he didn't receive the, or he didn't, doesn't have a voicemail, you know? It's kind of odd, but, um, I understand why.

And then, um, I saw him a text message basically saying, "Hey, it's Mike. Dr. G gave me your information. I'm reaching out to some. I heard there's some things you want to discuss with me."

And that's basically when he said, um, he, he did the introduction, of course, and, uh, he didn't tell me specifically what his role was, but he told me that he wanted me to come out to an area, at least out west near there, and, um, talk about, um, you know, meeting in person.

And, uh, originally I thought it was going to be in Colorado, but that wasn't the case because, obviously, I guess this guy was pretty busy, and I tried to get that to happen, but I ended up having to go out west.

And, uh, I met with this guy, and he explained to me at least through text message, um, the security protocols because the way that these guys operate.

So, they have some pretty remarkable stuff as far as for security for myself and any other person involved or anybody that, you know, they're going to essentially talk to.

So, they had some very, it may have been overkill to an extent. I'm not going to go public with why just because I don't want this to lead to anybody specific, um, but he assured that my safety would be taken 100% serious, that nothing would happen.

And, uh, that was enough for me to say, "Okay, you know, when would you like me to come by?" We had scheduled this for the late part of July, and, uh, so I ended up going out to meet him.

I took a flight out there, and, um, you know, um, he had his, uh, he had somebody pick me up from the airport there, um, in that area.

And, um, at first, I didn't think much of it. It's just, "Okay, nice to meet you. You're the driver. Cool."

Okay, so we end up leaving the airport, going to the meeting spot, and, uh, there, lo and behold, I mean, here's the thing, though, is I've already seen this gentleman when he was in D.C. because he attended Dr. G's event.

And you met him in person or before this?

I talked to him in person before, but it wasn't anything like how it was. He didn't think I knew who he was.

Um, I was running security for Dr. Greer along with some other gentlemen who, um, were armed. Um, I wasn't, even though I run a private security company, and, you know, it's pretty much easy for me to obtain at least to provide security armed for, you know, VIPs or anything like that.

Washington, D.C. is a very different animal in that regard, so you have to open the pel LC there. You have to get all the credentials. You have to go through the courses. I mean, it's a lot of time, a lot of money, and, uh, so it's just easier for Dr. G just to get somebody who's already certified and all that stuff to do that.

So, I end up taking Dr. G to the green room where he was meeting with this gentleman, and this gentleman was explaining to Dr. G what basically I saw. That's why, you know, he went there to attend just to see and just provide security as well, which I didn't know that until coming to find out, you know, later down the road.

But, um, so I met this person. We just kind of shook hands, said, "Hey," and he's like, "Thank you. You sounded good up there. You know, like, keep up the good work. You know, this stuff has to get happen."

You know, I didn't think much of it. I completely didn't look like that type of person, what you would expect. Uh, dressed like a nerd, like somebody at a convention, per se. You know, you couldn't pick him out from, you know, separate from the crowd, so to speak.

So, he's very good at playing, uh, optics with, uh, situational awareness. But going back to the meeting, um, so when I met this gentleman, he had pulled out a wand when we went into the secured area.

So, he rubbed it around himself, you know, all the extremities, and then he handed it to me and he said, "Go ahead and, you know, track your whole body with it." It was a check for bugs and a check for chips.

And, um, because some people that, you know, in this organization are all chipped, um, which is kind of weird, but that's just how a lot of the subjects that they deal with are also chipped too.

He expressed that, um, I had to date not during the in-person interview, and, um, well, you know, I put my phone on airplane mode, um, because when I had it in my pocket and that wand hit it, um, he just told me to go ahead and put it on airplane mode and set it away.

So, obviously, I couldn't record or take photos or nothing like that. And, um, he explained in great detail what his role was, how long he's been involved with this, the screening process, how he got selected to do this.

Um, he went in very specific detail personally, um, with, you know, how he was able to achieve being onto this team and, uh, his first interactions with the team, first couple missions that they've ever done.

And, uh, he gave me the whole history of how this organization started from 1947 during the National Securities Act that the president signed at the time, and their specific thing was to basically, um, investigate crash retrievals with UFOs.

Um, basically all the kind of taboo stuff you hear today, um, and you hear some of the stuff that information that Dr. Greer's been, or not, well, Dr. Greer on top of that, but also David Grusch has been talking about, the government's type of, uh, retrieval team.

So, you got blue team, and then you have the black team, which has a more refined and more perfected version of crash retrievals because they've been doing this since the 1940s.

So, um, he expressed to me how that integrates with what they were doing. He expressed his sole reasoning how he knows that they do it. I'm not going to go into detail about it, but like I said, I hope there's a day where I can because it basically fills the dots for people to understand.

Um, and, um, prior to that meeting, he asked me a very strange question, and I'll never forget this. He asked me if I was a 1911 guy or if I was a Glock guy. I said, "You know, well, 1911s are cool, but I like Glocks. You know, I know how to use those. I've used them for years, especially, you know, doing my own security and all that kind of stuff. Very easy weapon system to me. It's like a Honda Civic of pistols, per se."

But, um, so I said I like Glocks, you know? So, he ended up handing me a Glock, and he, um, you know, he unloaded it, pulled the slide to the rear, he handed it to me and told me to go ahead and load a magazine in and chamber around.

And, uh, I did that, and I put it in the holster. He says, "Go ahead and keep it with you." So, I was the only one armed, and he understood that I was very apprehensive with this meeting to begin with.

Um, I couldn't sleep. I was very nervous. I was, you know, I didn't, was expected to either get ambushed or, you know, I even left a paper trail with certain people, including Joey is not my name, just in case if anything happened.

Um, yeah, it was interesting too, or yeah, if I can cut in just a second, is when I met with Joey, um, he talked about that because he was investigating your case. He was happy to get your help, actually. You know, he was able to ask you questions directly, um, but then he was surprised how much information you were telling him.

You know, he said he, uh, and, and he, he started realizing as well that you were going out to this meeting and downloading the information with him. You know, that's where he was getting even more nervous, right?

Um, and he talked through that because, uh, and he tracked basically when you were going out there and how long you were there and he made you talk to him afterwards, etc.

So, yeah, it's interesting he was able to verify a lot of these details that you're talking about through other means that we can't really discuss on this call, but I will say he did verify some other details, a few other kind of key details that you were there, you were in this location, and, and some of these things did happen.

So, it was interesting he did verify that.

Yeah, you know, it was more of the sense like I didn't, you know, my family, I mean, I don't know in as much as they could do because they don't really have a voice online, so to speak.

You know, they have, um, you know, Joey's not my name's got a Reddit handle. He's got access to getting stuff out to the public. So, my thinking was at that time, if anything happens to me, maybe he could relay that information and, and, you know, at least put the word out that something did happen, you know?

Yeah, and, um, I had told my dad one point before I went out there was, um, we just recently had a dog pass away, um, at that time, and I told him, I said, "I'll call you personally, let you know that I'm okay."

I said, "But if I ask you the question of, if I ask you the question of how doing that is code for saying that everything's not okay, and you need to get in touch with the people."

I left them a list of names with some telephone numbers in the government, um, to basically, you know, tell them where I went.

Um, I gave him the information they contact as far as the phone number and all that just in case because, again, you know, last interaction with these type of people is getting held up at gunpoint. It's not something I want to have happen again or worse, you know?

So, my thinking is if I could leave a paper trail and just get people to know that, you know, I'm going out to meet the horse's mouth, per se, and, uh, one of the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I reached out to him and let him know, and he actually sent me a message that was pretty, pretty empowering.

And he says, "Actually, I'm also working with that gentleman that you're meeting with."

Okay, I was like, "Really?" Because, yes, he's supposed to, um, we're supposed to have an in-person meeting sometime soon, but he's been relaying information for me to understand what you've been dealing with on top of what his involvement is as well.

So, that made me feel really good because it was okay, you know, other people are talking to this guy. This guy's actually reaching out to people in the government, you know?

So, I don't, at that point, it's like, okay, if he's only using me to do these kind of things, well, obviously he's not because he's going behind the scenes and talking to some very key people, including Grusch for the matter of fact.

So, um, at that point, after he kind of briefed me on everything that I saw and what the purpose of it was and, and the explanation of it, he asked me, he, this, okay, he's like, "The next question I have for you, because we have time, he says, do you want to take a helicopter flight out somewhere?"

I said, "Sure." You know, and I had kind of talked to Dr. Greer prior to this, you know, um, he kind of gave me a little bit of intel about the situation, but not enough.

And I think that was purposefully done because they wanted to see my reaction on how things were. But we end up going to a black site, and, uh, this black site, which looks abandoned topside, that there's no activity.

Um, it's genius on their part, but underneath the surface is a very, very, very different story. It's a very active spot in certain references.

This particular, um, site, they do a lot of, uh, scalar longitudinal weapon testing or EMPs. This is a very advanced version, but they have different types. They have some that are so surgical that are very accurate, and then they have some that are kind of like a wave.

And, unfortunately, when, uh, the purpose of that facility is to actually take down ET craft, and they do this about two to three times a year.

Oh, that's amazing!

Okay, wa, that was way too fast.

Okay, so, uh, you basically get briefed, right? He briefs you on the historic, how the program started. Can you give any, um, any more details on that? You know, is it, um, you mentioned 1947, uh, the National Security Act.

Um, yeah, can you go through any, any more details that you remember on what he briefed?

Yeah, yeah, this particular group was started more in the means of, uh, in conjunction with the Air Force. Um, that was kind of their thing.

Um, and the person who originally started this group ended up being a very high up in the Air Force, as a matter of fact. And he told me his name. I don't remember the, this individual's name who created this group, but, um, it was very integrated.

While they had Special Operations doing other things for conventional military, they had another team of Special Operations that was designated for the press retrieval aspect of it, uh, research, development, uh, things like that.

So, while the government is handling stuff that goes towards more of war and specifically with, uh, defense, this other group's purpose was just basically to research and develop and come to an understanding of how, where these beings come from, if that, or the kind of technology that they have.

So, um, and then throughout the years, because you have so-and-so, uh, changing of the guard, if you will, because you have, you know, elected officials, they run their cycle, and they're retired or they end up passing away because they're from old age.

Throughout the years, the knowledge of this organization started to dwindle down, and, uh, as a matter of fact, one of the key people that was actually got wind of this organization was Bill Clinton.

And Bill Clinton knew that this operation was going on. He wanted more intel on that because he had other sources at least come to him and tell him some pretty crazy claims.

So, he wanted to get to the bottom of it, and then he was waved off. So, um, there, I can't, I can't go into specifics with what they end up wanting to do because then would lead back to what these guys are doing present day.

But long story short, because of changing of the guard, now all of a sudden you have a group that's out there that has some of the most cutting-edge technology that humanity could benefit from that anybody will ever see.

Um, to them, it's like a normal day at work, you know? Uh, he talks about even today when I, uh, sent him some messages, he thinks transportation's boring, and he, he's been, you know, his, uh, involvement with it, it's just because it's a normal everyday thing for him.

It's just like, that's just it. You know, for us outside of that, it's like, wow, like how, how can you not be amazed by this? But this guy's been in this group since the, since, you know, a very long time, since the 90s, so he's seen quite a bit.

And granted, you know, there's things that he even doesn't know to an extent because everything is still compartmentalized. It doesn't matter how senior you are in this organization; there's some stuff outside that aspect that you're not going to know about.

So, um, everything that he's involved with, he's told me personally what he does and how he does it, what his role is, and it makes perfect sense and how he would have firsthand account with these, uh, CFT anyway.

Um, but the different, but the thing with him on, um, listening to how he told me how he can't differentiate between our stuff, man-made, and ET, that's kind of the, it's unbelievable.

So, it means that our stuff that we have is very advanced enough to actually be considered that advanced enough to even replicate ET technology more perfectly than even what I saw in 2009.

Um, he's talked about cloaking devices that some of these craft have, um, that look even some of them look more advanced than even some of the ET craft that they've retrieved.

So, if that gives anybody an idea, and granted, I understand how crazy this all sounds because if I was not in my shoes, I would absolutely say that this is insane, and it is. I'm not going to disagree with that. It's a very hard pill for me to swallow.

And, uh, subsequently to the meeting, I couldn't sleep for about a week. I was nervous. I was scared because now all of a sudden I'm talking to these people who do this for a living and, and understanding how psychopathic this organization is, and they'll kill anybody they can to keep things quiet, and they have.

And I'm aware of several instances where they've done this, and it's something that it may at one point, and it's very possible it could bite me in the ass one day, but I'd at least would rather take the risk to get information out, make this at least public, get people want to know about it.

Because if there's enough people to know about this and the people who have the power, the pen, or even some law enforcement through the government to do something about it, which they intend to, then maybe this can come topside, and maybe humanity can benefit from this once and for all.

Maybe the secrecy can just go away. It doesn't have to be taboo anymore, you know?

So, why is he coming out?

Um, so why is this, did he explain, um, why he's taking this risk?

Yes, because he wants transparency of it because he doesn't agree with a lot of the stuff that they've done.

Uh, him personally, along with these other guys that I've spoke to, they were misled. They were misled for a very long time.

Um, you know, we're talking about decades, right? So, they think that what they're doing is, is, you know, for the greater cause of this country, for Department of Defense, to keeping our, um, national security, per se, right?

But when you're going and doing things like shooting down ET craft or doing other things that are illegal, um, stuff to my knowledge at least, um, I know he probably has partaken on things like that, but just because he has to, and he has no choice.

But at the same time, he wants oversight. A lot of these guys want oversight, but more importantly, these guys want out. They don't want to do this anymore.

Now that they, now that the rug has been pulled out from under them, they understand what they've been dealing with. They understand that this is a rogue organization. They understand there's very evil people they work with and they deal with on a daily basis.

So, if they're safe, and that's their number one priority, but the AL also, the other priority too is that this group has a stranglehold on people in D.C.

And I found this out through the source among other instances that he's briefed me in detail, which I will not go into because I can't.

A lot of it because I don't know personally because it's not something I could actually speak on because I don't have firsthand knowledge, but from the stuff he has firsthand knowledge on, part of what they're trying to do is at least eliminate to an extent the risk to politicians of wanting to pass various laws and legislations to allow things to happen.

And a lot of these guys are scared because when they started basically peeling this onion, so to speak, they started understanding how risky this is, how scary it is.

Um, the fact that you have people in positions of power that are being told no by groups that essentially would have to listen to them, but they don't, and they privatize things so that way government officials can't look into it.

A simple FOIA request, you know? So, understanding the complexity of it, understanding the risks associated with it, I understand even puts these guys into a very hard place to be because they're in the middle of this damn war.

They're in the war of with their likelihood, their livelihoods, with their families, with everything like that. And now all of a sudden you have politicians that kind of feel the same way.

And now when you start having people kind of meeting at a certain point because they're with the same thing, that's when people start meeting and talking of how to develop plans, and that's what's going on currently as we speak.

A lot of it I don't know personally, but the stuff that I do know, I'm, I was advised and pretty much signed not to tell just because it puts, uh, violates OPSEC, so to speak.

Okay, so let's go back. Um, did, let's go back. You're, you're basically, um, you're in the meeting conference room. He says, "Do you want to go in a helicopter?" He's giving you the Glock.

Um, do you know his position in the organization? Do you know what he does at this time?

I do, and I can't, I can't see, but I do.

So, you can't say, but is he high up, I guess, or is he?

Yes, he's very senior, very, very high up there.

Okay, excellent. So, you're back, you go into the H, so you, you mentioned, uh, the helicopter and then the black site.

So, what actually happened? You get in the helicopter, and you fly out to this black site? Is he flying?

Yes.

Okay, there's people there that are flying?

There's people there that are flying, yeah. I mean, it's not just there; it's a group of us. It's not just one.

Okay, cool. So, you fly out on the helicopter in this group, and then, uh, and then what happens? I guess, so what did, what happens at that point at the site?

Well, I can't necessarily talk about that, but let's just say, um, I was able to see things with my own eyes that would basically make people understand that everything crucial to this world is not topside; it is underground.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.

W, okay, so it's an underground base, I guess, is what I'm...

I can no comment.

Okay, all right. Well, you saw things at this base that, um, convinced you. So, you saw with your own eyes things that convinced you that this is all real?

No comment.

Okay, all right. But do you think it's real? I guess, what is your take? Do you have any, yeah, what's your confidence level in this man and his stories?

Well, uh, beforehand, I mean, because like I said, anybody could be anybody, but with the knowledge I've learned that day, um, it completely changed my life. That's all I can say for right now.

At a later point, when all this comes topside, you know, hopefully it does, then if I'm given the green light to talk about it, then I more than will be happy to talk because I think people should understand that of the severity of this.

But I think people should understand what's being kept under everybody's eyes and, and the secrecy behind all of this. I mean, I think everybody's entitled to a better planet and better resources, and this is the first step to doing it.

So, it sucks that you have organizations like this, which are global, as a matter of fact, that have access to technologies that could revolutionize mankind forever and put us at a level, if even conscious, that's even more advanced than what we are now, which means that we'd be even peaceful people, you know?

That's, that's essentially what I gather from that, and that's what a lot of the proponents that they talk about, that they want, is for that to happen.

Amazing! So, let's talk about what we can talk about then. Is their plan essentially is this book?

Um, at least that's what we've gotten so far, right?

So, yes, this, this is just, this is just a chap, by the way, the actual book that they have currently being reviewed by DOSER.

Um, so DOSER, long story short, um, they submitted this, uh, pre-publication, right, to basically get approved, right? And they did this more of a sense of trying to put the Department of Defense or anybody in the government into a pickle because they have to respond now.

The way that they respond to this is going to tell these guys everything that they need to know, who's involved, or it's going to tell them if they're compromised. It's going to tell them if they don't know anything. It's going to tell them if they redact certain things that yes, it's true.

So, there's things that they're doing in order to understand because they, there's no poker face with this. It's very brilliant on their part.

So, this is just a what they handed me, which I've given to you, and Joey's Not My Name also has this copy too, and they have different variations, as a matter of fact, because the copy they released to me has a little bit of subtle differences compared to some other copies, like they've given to Dr. Greer, for example.

They have subtle differences. It's still the same thing, just words changed a little bit, and the name of the character in that story is not the same as what's in this one.

So, they did that because they want to track who's released it, and they want to see how far it goes, each copy. So, it tells them what's how, how much of it's being circulated.

So, in this book, this takes place in 2004, and in this book, I mean, it was when I first read this, this is part of the reason why I was, I was, I couldn't sleep for a week.

Yeah, I mean, this, I've read both these chapters, and I would say for anyone reading it, it's not, um, I mean, it's, it's pretty violent. Um, you know, you have a pretty sick murder, uh, in the first, in the first chapter, so I would kind of warn everybody to be mentally prepared.

It's not, you know, this is definitely a get, so thinking about this, um, you know, the first thought I had when I read this, because he handed it to me when I was literally laying in bed wanting to go to sleep, and then I heard my phone go, and he started talking to me.

So, I was, you know, texting him back, and then he sends me this, these documentation he wants me to read everything. So, I'm like, okay, now that I've got this information, these documents, I'm like, now my curiosity is G.

This is a good example of careful what you wish for.

Yeah, all right.

Yeah, in 2004, this particular operation involved very similarly the containers that I saw in 2009, except this black team was, uh, moving these refugees, as they call them, into these containers to transfer them onto, into a black site that's in Chihuahua Desert in, uh, Mexico.

There's a black site out there, and it actually, um, in the story, as you recall, they had, um, instances where these helicopters weren't squawking, the ones that were flying these containers into this facility, right?

Y, and that was kind of the reason why this gentleman was, um, propelled to come forward because of the containers that I saw were remarkably similar to what they had at that time.

Now, granted, you were on Shawn Ryan, and I used that interview of you on the Shawn Ryan podcast, um, and you were really upset and saying it's, it's, uh, human trafficking, and that's, that's what honestly motivated you, um, even more, is that was human trafficking.

And, and that's kind of what forced him, or that's why maybe he thought to contact you and say, "Well, it's not necessarily exactly what you think, but it was the containers," right?

And so that was, you know, because I hypothesized for years that this was drugs. I mean, there, the only thing that I could think of, I didn't think it would be anything that would be related to people. That's the last thing I'd ever think about, you know?

But when he explained why, you know, so long story short with this story anyway, this story is just a, so they market this book as a fictional, a historical fiction, but this is really not that.

It's really, um, them displaying what they've been involved with and what they've done. Now, the full book, on the other hand, has everything they've done for the last 30 years, okay?

So, when that book comes out, then that's going to be released accordingly to when at least however Rel Lacy fit. I got to wait for that just like everybody else who's already read this part.

Um, so I have to wait for that too, but in this particular story, one, they had somebody who was a member of Joint Special Operations Command who was escorting some of these refugees and a member of these black teams.

Those three guys came up upon him, right? They knew everything about him. They H called him by his first name. They knew everything. They knew all the codes.

Yeah, that was the big thing for me. So, Alex, he's out there, he's, he's bringing these 24 women and children refugees, they called, um, and that's when he's ly ambushed, but they know everything about him by these helicopters, and these three men, they end up murdering him.

Um, but they know his codes. They know all the code words because you will do some verification. You know, anytime you contact someone on a radio in the military, you're going to do some sort of code word verification.

Often, we'd carry like a little grid of letters and numbers, right? Random grids. Um, forget what they call, but if you have a chance to, to brief with the people, so you're doing the briefing with them, then you can make up your own code words.

So, that was interesting in this story. There's little details like that because they had made up a code word, um, kind of like you mentioned there where you're gonna, you're gonna tell your dad, you know, "Chester, how is Chester?"

They had a code word in this, and yeah, the enemy or these guys knew the code word, and they basically just tied him up and shot him.

Um, but what's interesting there, you talk about, um, this whole special missions unit getting taken out, and then chapter two is, is them at the, uh, the Joint Special Operations Command.

So, effectively, what has happened is their team, so their special missions unit team for Joint Special Operations was taken out by this rogue team.

So, a rogue team essentially stole these refugees, um, with these containers, um, put them in, carried the containers by helicopter.

So, that would mean that would also be why you would use the containers is that you can move people around quickly, and then they used some pretty interesting technology here.

So, just I took notes. Um, so it was an inside job. They have really good helmets and good comm gear, but otherwise, it's all mismatched equipment.

It's kind of reminded me of your story, uh, in Indonesia, basically when you were, you were ambushed by very effective, super experienced, you know, middle-aged men in black ops, at least equipment that you didn't recognize readily.

You recognized a lot of it, I guess, but it's kind of a mismatch of equipment, but they also had advanced, uh, helmets, comm gear, and interesting, I noticed, was advanced aiming reticles and augmented laser rangefinders.

I thought that was quite interesting. Um, the other thing I'll just write down, they also said, uh, they checked the guy out. This is in the story. They checked him out with a small box with a loop antenna, kind of what you just mentioned, where they had some sort of wand that went over him, over his whole body, over his head as well.

Uh, I thought was interesting. Then they say, "Yeah, he doesn't have it, so let's go with plan B." That's where they kill him, I guess.

Uh, they put the refugees in a modified shipping container, and that's where the HVAC unit comes in. So, you had mentioned when you saw the containers, it had this HVAC on it, and that's why you thought it was, uh, human trafficking and not weapons, I guess, if that's, or drugs.

What I originally thought, to keep it like humidified, I guess, you know, so drugs don't, you know, get ruined or something.

Uh, and then that's when the man came and contacted you and said, "Hey, actually, it's not drugs; it's people." And then that's when you went on the Shawn Ryan Show and were really, and seemed really angry about this.

Um, I was, and I, you know, I still am, uh, to an extent. I mean, I have further understanding of why they do what they do, and I, you know, the first thing I want to tell people, and this may be a first time for a lot of people because I've already done some interviews where I've explained this, you know, it's still people.

Um, the element of human rights, because coming to find out, these black team operators are not at a consciousness level that is superior enough to have access to this advanced technology, what they call ET technology.

So, because they can't operate the stuff by themselves means that they have to have something else to do it for them. Well, that something else to do it for them is going to be these guys who are, um, what they call psionics or P3 assets to begin with.

P3 stands for psionic predisposition potential, where they dub it P3, and this is a screening program that they use to screen certain people throughout the world, um, at a genetic level, from what I understand, that are borderline psychic.

Um, and they have the ability to, with help of the black team, with the drugs that they administer with them, to boost their consciousness even higher that they can access this technology pretty easy.

So, if you think about it this way, option A is going to be a black team member, option B is going to be a psionic asset, option C is going to be the advanced tech or ET tech.

So, black team uses a device that hooks and interfaces with the P3 asset, and then that P3 asset goes and hooks up to that advanced ET technology.

From that, what it basically does is they can pilot the stuff. They can, uh, they also are engineers with this too. There's a integration with scientists, and this goes all the way back to Operation Paperclip, as a matter of fact, where they pull the brightest minds from Germany.

Um, even people who are developing the cutting-edge technology that, you know, they talk about the saucer, the Glocka, as they call it, or even the saucer that they built. A lot of those scientists end up getting tapped from the black team, and that's how they started doing this R&D program.

But the difference is, is when they started getting in contact with actual non-human intelligence in their crafts and they started shooting them down, they, there was basically a mismatch. They had, they didn't have a, there was a missing link, if you will.

Well, when they figured out that these people exist on Earth that can relatively accommodate them, um, then that's basically how they solved that problem.

So, what I actually witnessed in 2009 was not a drug smuggling operation; it was a recruitment program that they were utilizing, scooping people up from that area, and it could be other areas throughout the world because they look for third world countries.

And the reason being is because if they take somebody who's not used to the lifestyle of being a P3 asset, where you have everything provided for you, this includes their families, even if their children, their children get educations, um, they get free medical, they get housing, they get food, they get clean water.

They have everything that they could ever need provided for them. The way I was, um, briefed about this, it's almost like the United States going to third world countries to look for cheaper means of, uh, um, manufacturing, right?

Or they're pulling, you know, so if they can make more money in the United States, which means it would cost more money manufacturing, then they go to, uh, third world countries for a cheaper labor source, if you will.

So, they do the same thing, but they don't harm these people. They don't mistreat them. They don't hold them at gunpoint like we were, or they weren't me murdered like this J operator was.

Um, they keep them relatively happy, and then they basically induce them with drugs, and, uh, they also chip them so they can track them. They can keep tabs on them at any point.

And, um, what they administer drug-wise is basically ST and a bunch of uppers. Now, the thing with this too is because when they give these drugs and they interface with this machinery, part of the problem was back then, and it still may go on today, and I don't know for a fact, but when they were hooking up to this device, they would, two things would happen: either they would go into a coma or they would pass away.

The subjects pass away from the drugs after an extended period of time because it's very hard on the endocrine system. It's very hard on the body, and too much in the, you know, everybody knows in this world too much of something is not a good thing.

And with these drugs, the only reason why they do this is to basically keep them at a higher elevated consciousness to help them with their agenda, which is this technology.

And, uh, you know, people have to understand that it's not the only a small percentage of what they do involves anything with reverse-engineered craft. That's a very small percentage.

It's the most boringest percentage out of everything else that they've got. They've got some very sophisticated weapon systems. They've got a lot of other things that, to my knowledge, I've only heard in references from, but I cannot confirm that with, uh, this source yet.

So, these people are kept at these facilities. Um, they have a breeding program. I know only a little bit about that, but I come to find out the person that picked me up from the airport, if people track what I said earlier, was one of the byproducts of that program.

You said yes, so use the, um, use the analogy, and this is what he told me. He says that it takes a thousand horses to breed the most perfect horse to run at a derby or something, you know, the fastest horse that has the best, you know, I don't know anything about horses per se, but you know, I understand that, you know, you have to mingle and breed the best options and then they filter down and keep doing the same thing until you end up getting the most perfected versions.

At some point, they've been doing this with humans. So, everybody thinks that they're trying to do stuff with ET integration. I don't know anything about that. I, I don't, I don't personally believe it unless I see it for myself, of course, and it could be possible.

But from what I was told, that these people are bred, and, uh, they're also bred to basically work in these facilities because everybody asks a question, including myself, why don't the janitors, why doesn't the facilities maintenance guy, why don't the cooks come forward and talk about this?

Was because they're in with this, and if they're having everything provided for them and they blow the lid on it, that they don't have access to anything anymore.

These people don't have social security numbers, so if they're illegal aliens, per se, then you can bet them that they probably either be escorted out to some other country, if you will.

I don't, I don't know the process of that, but that's just basically hypothetically thinking. But they don't come forward because they're comfortable with what they're doing, and what he explained to me when I first met him is that if you were to liberate any of these people in these bases and installations and black sites, that you would be liberating people who don't want to be liberated.

They don't want to come topside. They don't want to come out to the public. They like what they're doing. They feel good about it. They're taken care of. Everything else to them is just kind of boring in retrospect.

You know, some of these people, I guess, do come out to the outside world, but I have no idea the specifics of that. That's only speculation.

But this particular gentleman who picked me up was a byproduct of that, and I don't know if they used him as a sense to try to screen me, per se, or try to gauge who I was or whatever the, you know, because it's not like they're just going to sit here and, you know, act like everything's good.

I mean, there's a reason why they had this guy pick me up. This guy was very smart. This guy was very, very, very intelligent, very, um, very good guy. Very, like, he was different is the only way I can describe it.

He was different, and I knew there was something about him that was different, but I know was going to be this because halfway through that meeting, before we got into the helicopter, he goes, "Did you notice anything about the driver that picked you up or the bodyguard?"

I'm like, "No." He says, "Well, here's a byproduct of one of those operations or these programs."

And then he didn't get any specifics of it, but it was, it was mind-blowing.

So, they, they have you go through these things, and then they tell you after the fact of what it was or what it's for, what the intention of it was, what the, what it might be.

So, it kind of threw me for a curveball because now it says, okay, there's a lot more at play here, and, and I'm supposed to find out more this month.

Um, I can't elaborate into that, but stuff that you already know about, we've talked on the back end that I'm supposed to go witness and see for myself.

Um, but yeah, I mean, these, these, it makes sense if you think about it because not every single human on Earth has the ability to manage this.

You know, and the other thing that people don't think about is the after-the-fact questions of, let's say the government does succeed with getting this technology sequestered through the legal means of them passing this bill that Schumer's trying to do, which would put everything under imminent domain.

Well, if they get these crafts and this advanced technology and all that kind of stuff, do you really think that there's people in the government who are qualified to know about it or operate it?

At that, you know, as well as I do, some of some of the government people, they might not be the smartest, but it would kind of have to say what would happen with that?

How are they going to designate that? Because then you're going to have some of the secrecy aspects of it, which could be content, you know, they could turn into weapon systems, which they don't want somebody in a different country having access to.

If they have the most cutting-edge technology and we're able to take a craft that's super fast, deploy a weapon system, and then take off somewhere, you know, like blow up the White House, they're not going to want to risk that.

So, I agree that there's things that still need to be kept secret, but the power sources, the medical technology, I mean, everything that could help us as a species would be incredibly cool to have, and it would refine our planet.

So, I think part of the reason why I couldn't sleep was because I didn't understand how deep this actually goes, and it goes way deeper than even what I know now.

And I'm only getting, uh, this information in segments, um, when they can give it to me because they want me to absorb it. They want me to release it, and they want to explain it in detail.

Then, okay, after that's good, here's this other part. So, I'm supposed to find out more this month, and, and also he's talked with, uh, the Senate Armed Service Committee. You mentioned that, and he's also talked with, um, uh, has he talked to Arrow?

Maybe anyway, he's talked with the government as far as you know.

I have no idea if he's talked to Arrow.

Yeah, I haven't, that there's a lot of things I won't ask him, and it's just, it's not like a don't want to know, but it's just like, you know, this guy's already helping me out so much.

I don't want to bother him because, I mean, trust me, I could sit here all day and text him all these questions.

Yes, and you know, there's a lot of stuff that he can't tell me, and there's, he has to be careful when he's explaining certain things to me as well, um, because he doesn't want to go bucket mouth, is what he said.

You know, he has to refrain himself from wanting to spill the beans because then, you know, um, it's risky. It's very risky, even for myself when I started going through this, and when I was able to talk about it to the government and, and publicly, you know, there's members of these black teams that have access to helicopters, and they can do whatever they want with them.

And they've been over at my dad's house where they've flown so low over the house where they rattle the walls, and, you know, they scared the crap out of you.

It's happened to me. They followed my car one time. I was actually on the phone with my dad. They flew right over his house, and he had actually went out to look at it, and it was abnormally low because you know the flight restrictions of military aircraft or even helicopters go over residential areas.

You can't fly with, uh, you know, there's a certain height that you have to be, and these guys were flying a lot lower than that. Ten minutes later, that same helicopter is literally flying low, going over my car, and it's almost like them saying, "Hey, we can find out where you're at at any point. We can touch you. We can do whatever we want."

Now, the cool thing is, is that these guys have relayed, uh, to me how I can track this stuff, and that's what I begin doing.

So, every time I have an instance, this, um, if I can find information on an aircraft, I will, and a lot of the time, I, if something seems abnormal, there's registration from the FAA, of course, because you can look on flight radar, for example, and see the aircraft in that area, and you can play that loop of the certain time frame and go forward and see where they came from and, you know, where they're leaving.

But these helicopters that I do see, which are Blackhawks, and the only one time I ever saw was a CH-47, which is the Army's version, or CH, yeah, CH-47.

So, um, that was the only, uh, dual rotor one that I saw, but most of the time, it's a, uh, 60 Blackhawk, and, you know, they have, they don't squawk. There's nothing that's signifying that, you know, they're military or nothing.

And I try to give the government at least the Pentagon officials because some of these guys are also having the same thing happen to them too, quite a few people, as a matter of fact, in the Senate Intelligence Committee are having a helicopter problem too.

So, um, my contacts in this organization know who's doing it, and that's why they're going to get to a point here soon where they may involve themselves with that and put a stop to it.

But they told me how to log this stuff. They told me how to record it. They told me how to identify it, and if there's nothing coming up, then it's a ghost ship.

So, that's where I take photos or video of it, and then I relay that information even to some guys in Homeland Security who are pilots that David Grusch basically got them to get into contact with me because of the human trafficking aspect of it, because that's what these guys pertain to as their specialty.

But when I explained to them, when I explained to everybody here, it kind of blew their mind, but these guys have seen some pretty weird stuff too on the UFO/UAP side, so they're very open-minded people.

And when they saw the documentation and they saw some things that I redacted through text messages I sent them and showed them, they understood that this was actually a real thing.

So, um, I relay information to them if I see a helicopter or something out of the norm, I'll let them know. They'll look into it for me because they have access to all the systems with the FAA, and if something doesn't come up, then that's when they can proceed on it.

And so far, I haven't heard anything, but that's, it's good to have resources like that just to keep everybody safe and, and, uh, know what I'm getting into, and, and I'm thankful.

It's been minor, but who knows? There could be something else down the road that happens, but, you know, that's why I just have to basically keep my head on a swivel. That's the only way I can do it.

Yeah, so basically, just to kind of summarize how I understand it, is it sounds like it's like X-Men, right? There's a very small percentage of the human population that actually has some ability, some psychic ability, which is required to actually use this advanced technology, which came from extraterrestrial sources or at least non-human technology.

Is that the basic understanding?

So, basic non-human technology, so advanced technology which uses telepathy is what it sounds like, which you hear from all the stories, right?

I've heard many, seems like stories of, of a wand.

You know, there'll be like a wand there, and then the alien explains this anecdotal story that using telepathy, the wand amplifies their abilities or something. I've heard that before, so this is in line with that. This technology, however advanced it is, can actually be used by humans, but they have to be special humans with a certain special talent.

This was interesting to me because I researched a few weeks ago. I did a video on the CIA and the remote viewing program. There was a study from the early 2000s or late 90s that found 1% of the human population has a basic psychic ability. According to the study, 1% of humans could teach you some sort of remote viewing—one out of a hundred people. That's in our CIA, you know, it's in a study, public knowledge.

So this would kind of support that. Whereas maybe you have one in a hundred people who are basically okay or have some psychic ability, maybe you have like one in a million who are off the charts and can effectively use this technology. The problem is those people aren't evil enough, is what it sounds like. You need someone, you called them the Black Op operators, to interface with the actual P3 assets. You called it using some sort of technology where they can control them.

Through them, they can control alien technology. From what I understand, at one of these black sites, maybe this one in particular, the goal is to use these P3 assets to lure down other craft and then shoot them down, right? You said this happens two to three times a year.

So this is how you know they may have a global retrieval program. If you can just shoot down craft, lure craft into your backyard, right into your garage, and then shoot them down, that seems like by far the best way to actually get alien technology. I mean, it just sounds so crazy, but like you said, when you look at it and link the dots, all the anecdotal stories about the telepathic abilities—how do they fly the ships? How do they drive the ships?

If you just think about it, all the spaceships, there are no controls that we see. It just matches all of the points. The points are very far apart, you know, there's a lot of interpolation right now. I think the story is so out there that it's difficult to accept. It took me a few weeks to really internalize it and kind of accept it.

I don't think people are going to accept this, even if it's 100% true. I think it'll take a long time for people just to accept this. If this is the first time you're hearing this, I think it could set off some of your alarm bells.

But that's the general idea of how the program works from what I just explained. Yes, you nailed it on the head with that. I mean, granted, there are more things involved that I don't know because I don't see this personally. But I do have a chance to see something like this happen unfold here soon.

You know, the technology aspect—I understand where people are coming from. I get it. If I were not in my shoes and I was hearing this, I would probably dismiss it. But what I've learned through this whole journey is that anything's possible. We only know what we're told. We only know what we experience on a daily basis.

If you're going to work for 12 hours a day, for example, you go home, turn on the television, watch a football game, and then, you know, among other things to watch, then you go to bed. I mean, you're not really putting yourself in a position to go and look at the stars, for example, or even research things.

I'm glad there are more people these days that are open-minded, but the problem we still face is that everybody has to understand you only know what you're told. Everybody thinks that a politician is going to come on TV and say, "Hey guys, we're not alone." There's disclosure right there.

Disclosure's already happened. There have been people who have seen way, way, way more stuff than I've ever seen that work directly in fashion with extraterrestrials. I've talked to them, and all their information is public, of course. But these are people that are part of Dr. Greer's organization, and they have some pretty interesting documents they've submitted to the government.

I've talked on behalf of that, you know, even people that came to Grusch and told him everything when he was investigating this under the Pentagon. That's kind of what opened his eyes. One of the questions I asked these insiders was, "What was the first thought that went through your mind when you saw this unfold personally?"

What he explained to me was it confirmed that there was an afterlife to an extent, that there's more to what they know. But it shows that there's a lot of spiritual stuff involved, which reassured him.

Maybe when I get to see a lot of this stuff more in person, he can probably elaborate on that, or maybe I can even interpret that with what I will see coming up soon. The reason why they're doing this for me is that they don't want me to take their word for it anymore. They want me to experience a lot of this stuff firsthand so I can make up my own mind about it and tell my own account about it—more like a verifiable source.

They're using me as a verification source, but at the same time, I'm using them as a verification source too. So it's going hand in hand. There are supposed to be some other people involved who are supposed to witness this too. We'll see how that goes.

I guess it's just a rabbit hole that keeps getting longer and deeper. I don't know where it'll stop, and I don't know if it will ever stop in the near future. If things go the way that they're planned with this technology being sequestered, who knows? It's just a massive onion that's being peeled back daily.

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Thanks again. Now to the interview part two with Mike Herrera. I get that there's other stuff in the world that is more critical, especially in the Middle East. You always have war and all that kind of stuff.

But there are a lot of variables that will either prevent the knowledge from coming out very quickly or things that may expedite that to come out fully. I know working with some senators, congressmen, and some people in the government, they want all this stuff to come out too, and they're frustrated. They're being told no. They keep getting told no, and that's insane to them.

You understand a lot, and people already know their egos are like this big, you know, being in powerful positions in government. So if they're being told no, then that's kind of ruining their day. When they find out that things exist that are in the realm that they don't know about, that's underneath their noses or in their congressional districts, it really shatters their ego.

I think a lot of them want to get to the bottom of it because that is happening. But at the same time, a lot of them are understanding how dangerous this is, and that's more of a deterrent in itself.

If people understand that there are a lot of moving parts here, just like I have to learn, I mean, trust me, I wish I could just sit here and blab everything I know and who is involved and what all this aspect is because it would connect the dots and just make everything easier.

But understand there are people at will here that are evil, and they don't want this to come out. They make so much money on it, and they have the most cutting-edge technology. They're not going to hand it over very nicely, and they've murdered people to keep it secret. They will continue to do so until something has to give.

I appreciate people's patience with this kind of stuff. There are people I've dealt with who just want it to come out now, and that's it. But it's like until we have the understanding of how this is going to be utilized, there's nothing we can really do.

It's just being at a standstill until we understand how this actually works and how we're able to operate it and get this into the hands of the public. We need to get them to understand that yes, our world as we know it is not what we think it is.

It's crazy. You mentioned some of the technology here that they highlight in these two chapters. The EMP, right? So basically, the helicopters kidnap the refugees, right? The bad guys kill the JCK operator, take the refugees in the helicopters, and then they launch F-18s after the helicopters.

The F-18s aren't armed, but they can still do a low pass. The bad guys use an EMP, right? Electromagnetic pulse. You kind of mentioned there about these scalar weapons, and it can just knock down any digital devices—any machines, electronics, everything. It can just drop.

If you can imagine it, how can you fight against that? They have that. It's asymmetric warfare, essentially. So it's the EMP. We already mentioned the wand. I remember the holographic technology. The helicopters are flying into their base, and it looks like a mountain. They just fly right into the mountain, right?

So it's holographic technology, the EMP, and then to actually maneuver the containers around, they use this wand—a special wand with a full-length arm, like a falcon kind of arm protection there with the wand. These are just some of the technologies they wrote about in the book, which sounds like, if true, that's how they're trying to relay how they use this technology and what it is.

So, correct. I know where this black site is in the Chihuahua Desert. I know exactly where it is, and it's still active to this day. They're still doing this stuff in the present day. They do have some stuff in that base that people would say is a UFO, and they use a lot of that technology to move stuff around.

Because it sounds unbelievable, I know this personally. If you were to witness this firsthand, people are going to dismiss it. I mean, important people—let's say you're out in your neck of the woods and you're hiking somewhere, and you come across a craft that you know is in the middle of nowhere. You see this paramilitary organization doing stuff to it.

You call the police or the FBI or the military to try to get people involved with it. Are they going to take you seriously? No. Well, you know you saw it firsthand. I mean, you saw exactly. That's what I try to ask people that question to put reference to, you know, trying to get them to be in their shoes and understand that.

Yeah, I mean, it's weird. It's very spooky because it's stuff that you would never expect to see or have happen, but that's just reality. It's a very harsh reality because of the things involved with that.

The thing that I think is most unsettling, even to this day, is that guy Alex in that story who was murdered. That could have been any one of us. That could have been all of us. That was the most unsettling thing. If I ever meet these guys who are part of this operation that we witnessed, that is the first thing I'm going to ask them: "Why did you let us live?"

I understand that you hit this in your video about the Black Ops stuff, right? The majority of these guys are former military, but they have a screening process. They want to advance their careers. It's the only nice way I'm going to put it.

They have another screening process that they do. This particular process is more about personality. They want people who are sociopathic and psychopathic to do the illegal stuff—people who have no problem murdering, including their own people, for that matter. Because that's what also happens.

These, you know, anybody who is compromised, they murder. They don't take chances with it because of the obvious reason. That's why this whole thing is so delicate. These people helping me could face that. Their whole entire families could face that too, myself included.

To an extent, I do live in the world of "careful what you wish for," and the reality is that it's very real. Anything could happen, and these guys, there's nothing holding them accountable. So what's going to stop them? The only thing that's going to really stop them is this to be dealt with on a government level with intervention.

It sounds like we have to have the people on the inside coming out, and that's what's going on. Because like these other people I've been coordinating with, all of them are finding out that it's illegal, and all of them are finding out that they've been lied to since day one about this. They've been misused for a long time, and that's what's unsettling for them.

The issue that I was told directly by them was that if they had a way to have income—because these guys get paid quite a bit. They make really good money doing this, obviously. If they were to have a sustainable income that was not necessarily matching but enough to take care of what they have, then they would be able to do that.

Get at least witness protection, if you will, something to that measure. Then they would be happy to play ball and maybe even come out to an extent. But because of what people are seeing with David Grusch and all these other people, including myself, being, you know, not necessarily discredited but just mocked and ridiculed, none of these guys want to face that.

They don't want to face the public. None of them want to be this public sensation of disclosure. They just want this stuff to come out. They just want the government to do something about it. If these guys can go into a different profession or have funds given to them to leave that organization, then they'd be all for it.

That's kind of the dilemma. Until that happens, we're going to have the issue of them having to play Cloak and Dagger, so to speak, until this can get resolved. Unfortunately, I don't know how long that's going to be.

Okay, well, thank you so much, Mike. If you need anyone else to go and record anything on your trip, I can be there. You know what? If I could, and this is just wishful thinking, I would have an entire audience. I mean, it'd be like, you know, you said that raid Area 51. They were supposed to go out to the perimeter and basically stage out there, and they were going to raid it.

I would kind of have the same thing happen here because I want everybody to see this too. But maybe one day, and that's what I'll press to do. Hopefully, these guys also want it to happen. But people just have to understand that this is very dangerous. I know I've been well warned about it, and I'm not immune to anything.

I'm thankful for the people I know in government that are helping me with this safety. But let's be honest, you know about safety as well as I do. When the government provides you safety, you understand that it's not necessarily there just because it's on a piece of paper. That allows it to happen, but it doesn't mean that your physical safety is good.

That's what's ironic about it, and that's why these people don't want to come forward publicly. Because a piece of paper is not going to save their lives. Well, we all appreciate it. I think I speak for thousands of people in the audience saying thank you, Mike, for taking the risk and speaking out.

Not just that, right? You're actually investigating on your own and really using your own time, money, and effort. I have to. There are some questions I have personally that I need to have fulfilled one way or another, and it's my own personal understanding.

It's not pleasant by any means because what people have to understand—let's say you were to witness a murder happen from a mafia of some sort or group. Let's just say they try to get in contact with you because they found out who you were. They say, "Oh yeah, well, you know that guy that we murdered was a bad guy, but we want to tell you why."

You know, all that kind of stuff. Wouldn't that make you apprehensive? Because you already saw how dangerous these guys are. You already said what they're capable of to an extent. Some of the stuff they got is out of your understanding completely.

If you can understand that situation and put yourself in that dynamic, then I think you'd have a little bit of an understanding of what it is to be in our shoes. Granted, you know, two of the other Marines, I talk to them almost on a daily basis, and I fill them in with this information too because one, they're entitled to it, but they're freaked out.

I can send you the messages personally as long as you don't reveal who these gentlemen are, but they're freaked out. They're not happy about it, and I understand. I get where they're coming from. I understand 100%. I've got a lot to lose. I have a lot to lose as an entrepreneur, as a businessman.

I love business. I love doing things like that. I love being able to afford things that most people can't, and I like being able to drive nice cars. I mean, that's just my thing. I'm a gearhead. I love cars, man. So that's my most expensive hobby.

But when I can put myself out of that realm for a bit and do something that I think is going to benefit more people in the long run with this information, alongside helping these black team operators—at least the good guys—get out of this mess, if I can do that, if I've got their back, then I know they'll have my back.

They've already explained that several times, and that's why they've talked and coordinated with government officials on my behalf. They want these guys to have more information than I do because they're directly involved with it. Here's just this guy over here who just witnessed something, but you've got the guys doing these operations coming to the government's aid and saying, "Hey, this is what he saw, and this is the purpose."

I mean, that never happens. The fact that I feel lucky to have people on the back end talk to the government and take this more seriously is because now the government is taking this very seriously. I mean, I've had people notify me all the way up from the former IGIC, even, who is going to represent me on certain terms with this.

But then that ended up getting subsided because it's more of a criminal matter compared to what Grusch is dealing with. So I have him at my disposal, the former IGIC. I have the assistant IGIC also wanting to look into this too because now they need to know.

But now that I think they've been talked to to an extent, it's provided them some understanding. Does it mean that it's right? Not necessarily. I don't like the fact that people are losing their lives to this kind of stuff.

I think if it comes out in an approach where the government has oversight of it, then I think there's some safety. They can do things safely so that people aren't losing their lives for this. I think this has the ability to do that if there is the proper oversight.

Not only that, but now you don't have to hide funding from this because it just goes into the black budget where certain people know about it instead of an illegal budget that's being basically siphoned out of the black budget with embezzlement. That's what they do.

These guys told me flat out that that's what they do—that they embezzle funds, and that's how they take care of their families. I get it, but this is such a mess, and it's so complex. It's just mind-boggling, even for myself.

There are days when I'm just like, "It's a lot." It's on top of business, on top of dealing with personal things in my life, and on top of this stuff that everybody's learning into. My life's just non-stop.

I'm going to keep pressing forward until I can get my personal questions answered. If I can do that and help out people in the same understanding that, hey, if I can blow the lid on this and get these people out, we can all approach this together and come out in a public sense. Maybe that's just wishful thinking, you know?

Then this stuff doesn't have to have people die for it. That's all I'm concerned with—just people being murdered for it.

Okay, well, it sounds like your efforts are having some positive traction. You know, 2024 sounds like an amazing year. We got the new law coming. Lou Alando has made some quotes, Twitter quotes.

Yeah, it sounds like 2024 is going to be awesome. So thanks for all your efforts, Mike. Thanks for all you've done. Yeah, we'll definitely have to have you back on or at least hear what happens at that site. Very exciting.

Well, you know, you and I are only a phone call away. So if there's anything I learn, you're damn right I'm going to relay it to you too. I mean, you're a big proponent of this. There are people I interviewed who feel very, very thankful that I'm talking to them.

They shouldn't. I'm just a normal person, and that's how I see this. I'm just a normal person wrapped up in a very complex web of things, right? I don't talk to mainstream media because of what they do. They misconstrue everything. They use it against you. They do whatever they can to fulfill their obligations to themselves.

Here's the other thing that I'm going to say, and this is probably what is most shocking. Since this black team came into existence in 1947 under the National Security Act, people have to understand that these guys are embedded everywhere. They're embedded in the government, in media, in show business, as entrepreneurs, in federal agencies, local law enforcement—everything you can think of.

There are members of this organization a part of that. This organization is not just in the aspect of this ET stuff. This is more of the so-called shadow government that people keep hearing about. That's what this is, and this is a very, very big monster that is more powerful than our government.

I hate to say it, but they have stuff that I know for a fact would run circles around a B-21 Raider, an F-22, an F-35, an F-117, or a B-2. Even the most advanced weapon systems on ships, for example, or aircraft carriers can't even take this stuff down. Satellite systems can.

People have to understand that if they have this kind of resources to do this and they're also embedded into the government, people need to understand how big this actually is. They have to understand why this is very delicate.

The beautiful part about it is it's relatively small because most of the people doing the groundwork, so to speak, were the grunts, for the matter. Those are people being misled. If they keep hearing—and they have been hearing—that this is illegal, what they're doing, and they're very patriotic people to begin with because they're in the military, to an extent.

I mean, Chris, if you had something like this going on where you were kidnapping innocent people and they were getting murdered—not directly by you, but you were the one facilitating that—and then you come to find out it's illegal, wouldn't you want to put a stop to that too?

Well, does it stop my paycheck? I mean, yeah, it's all related. I mean, yes, it is. Since this goes back to 1947, you know, that could play into why and how the U.S. was able to maintain superiority.

You know, it goes back to you don't want to know the answers. Maybe you don't want to know why we have the greatest military on the planet. Maybe you don't want to ask that question.

Well, let's just say that there have been a lot of very horrible things that have happened throughout history to make that happen. But at the same token, it's kind of more of a placebo effect because the military is not the strongest. This black organization is the strongest, but they're not in the United States.

This is a global thing. They have bases all over the world—in the Middle East, in China, and everywhere. I don't know per se exactly. There's only been some speculation because of Dr. Greer's lists that he's put out, and of course, the resources I have are only confined to certain parts of this country.

But there's more at play. If you talk about this particular black site shooting down two to three ET craft a year, and there are other black sites like this all over the world, multiply that number significantly.

In the last, a lot of these bases were built in the 80s. So from the 1980s until now, this stuff is going on. Multiply two to three times x amount of years. That'll tell you how many crash retrievals they've done.

They'll tell you, not specifically, but just estimation-wise, right? This has been going on for a long time, and these guys have a lot of assets. It's not just ET craft that they're shooting down at these places. They shoot down other experimental craft, and they blow it up.

They incinerate it, and the unfortunate thing—and this is kind of the thing that makes me a little bit pissed off—is that I know this is going on because I've been told about this. Because I've been told about something, I'm knowledgeable of it. I have to do something about it, and that's what we're doing right now.

These guys, they don't put a 24/7 TFR. TFR basically is restricted airspace. They don't do it 24/7 because if you were to go to this installation, for example, that I went to, you understand that it looks like nothing. It's in the middle of nowhere.

If you were to fly out there and see that there's nothing out there, but why is there restricted airspace? That starts to get people's curiosities going. They start to want to dive in and look at things, especially if you know something—experienced pilots, for that matter.

There have been instances where these EMP weapon systems they've used to target these ET craft have accidentally hit off in the distance because it goes in waves. Some of them have hit civilian aircraft, and they go and retrieve that wreckage. They incinerate the wreckage, and they incinerate the bodies. They put out a missing persons report.

There are also instances—not a lot of the time, but still yearly—where these people fly in these restricted areas and get shot down by these EMPs. These are people flying private aircraft. There are some flights going over this base that are jet airliners or 747s or airbuses, but they don't target those.

Obviously, if those get hit, you know what kind of ramifications that'll have. That'll get everybody's attention if a jet airliner was shot down carrying a couple hundred people, if that is the case.

When I heard about that, it was very unsettling because it shows that these guys are hell-bent on keeping their secrets, and innocent people are being killed because they're flying in where they shouldn't be. I don't know why they are, but now that I'm knowledgeable of it, and there are other people in the government who do, there's something being done about it right now.

On a legal sense, it's murder. It's flat-out murder. If I were to take a cessna to one of these locations, just enjoying a flight, maybe I got my family with me, and all of a sudden, I get hit with something, and it just makes me drop out of the sky and I'm dead.

That's a reality that some people have faced. All of a sudden, nobody knows where you went because you have an organization that is covering it up. They're disposing of the wreckage, disposing of the corpses, and putting out a missing persons report.

Right now, our job with this is we're trying to coordinate between the TFRs, the times that they've illustrated where they had missing persons reports or flights that have gone missing in these areas. That's how we can pinpoint when it's happened and the duration that these people have been dead for because there are family members that need this explanation to happen.

It sucks to imagine how that would go over if they understood that there's an organization that killed their family members and kept it secret for years. That wouldn't sit too well with me. I know that wouldn't sit well with you, and I'm pretty sure everybody in the audience right now wouldn't sit well with that either.

It's very real. When I heard about that, it made me realize how diabolical these people are, even more to an extent. That's part of the reason why I just keep pushing on to this. I don't care about the naysayers. I don't care about people's opinions. I appreciate the support, but honestly, I've got bigger things to worry about.

Part of it is you're going to put a stop to stuff because now that I'm knowledgeable of these crimes being committed—murder—and there are other charges that are going to go with this because they're desecrating corpses. I don't know what the technical term is, but it just sucks.

Okay, well, we appreciate it, Mike. Thanks for all your time, man. Thank you. Anything else you want to say that we missed?

Guys, keep an open mind. Nay SS, I love you guys. I love when people tell me I can't do something or try to criticize me because you know what that does? It just makes me keep going faster and harder. Nobody's going to stop me from doing this.

I don't care. Drush is in the same boat. We just laugh at it. You know, I took my social media down because I just, you know, even I don't tell people my main business, at least you know that I deal with, because I want people calling these locations up trying to get a hold of me, trying to, "Oh, can I get an interview?" or "Can I ask you questions about this?" or trying to talk shit.

I mean, it is what it is at this point. But just rest assured, whether it's good or negative, I'm just under one track mind, and I'm trying to get this truth blown open so all the people of this world have—everybody in this world is entitled to this information, and I believe that 100%.

I'm working for everybody to make sure that this does happen because once this pillar falls, people have to understand that the rest of them are going to be like dominoes. All it takes is one of them to fall over to hit the next one, and for that to hit the next one.

Grusch is doing things behind the scenes with some other people that I know who are also whistleblowers—not in the public sense—but we're all working together on this. All of our stories, all of our experiences, all of our knowledge is now connecting these dots and making this big picture.

I guess I'm just trying to find knowledge for humanity and for myself, and rest assured that I'm not going to give up.

Excellent. What do you think of that interview? I mean, unbelievable, amazing stuff. Let me know in the comments what you guys think. I think he's so credible. I've been working with him for a few months now, and I think he just seems like an honest Marine.

I've actually never met a Marine I didn't like, to be honest. They all just seem like the people you want to come find you on your side when you're in trouble. That's what I thought about Marines. He seems like just an honest Marine, and I thank him for trusting me and coming out with all this information.

I mean, it's either going to come out true next year, or he'll be shown as some sort of fraud or delusional person. I just don't get that feeling, but obviously, I think we need to keep an open mind on all aspects, and this is a lot to digest.

Don't forget to check out part one, and it's free to like and subscribe. So if you do like this, please like it. If you can, share this information as well. That does really help the channel, and I do this all with no sponsorships. It's only from you guys.

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Okay, so I don't, again, it's about transparency. This is just if you want to support the channel and help me make the content even better. Thanks again. Have a great day. Peace.