Democrats LOSE VA Redistricting w/ Sam Numberg | Timcast IRL

The Virginia Supreme Court has struck down their attempt to redistrict as unconstitutional, and liberals and Democrats are apoplectic. Jeff is losing his mind. Hassan says that the Republicans have just stripped black power from Memphis after Tennessee eliminated the single Democrat district in, uh, uh, in Memphis. And, uh, the funny thing is, it's represented by a white guy, and the Republican candidate who keeps losing is trying to win is a black woman. But I guess to the left, black power is when a white Jewish guy is in control of your district and the black woman loses. So, I, I don't think they really know what they're talking about.

But, uh, let's just be, let's be real. This is a redistricting war. Both sides are trying to win. Both sides want power. Democrats want power. Republicans want power. Republicans are winning this war handily. Currently up eight seats in the procedural battle, not even related to polling. Despite the fact the Republicans are still polling better than Democrats, which seems kind of weird, especially for a midterm. The opposition party should be doing way better, and they're not.

Now, what I think is really weird about this is the prediction markets have not priced this in and still are predicting a plurality of the prediction markets. They're saying, of, of, I should say, of the prediction Democrats sweep, which makes no sense at all. So, we'll talk about that. Plus, they, uh, they dropped proof that aliens. I'm just kidding. They didn't. They, they dropped a bunch of UFO files showing meta materials, strange images of things in space. We don't actually know what any of it is. And this is exactly as people were predicting just the other day. The coming disclosure would be interesting, but not definitive. But perhaps the Apollo astronauts were attacked by aliens on the moon. They've released photographs showing strange things in the sky, which is evidence of very little. I don't know. We'll figure it all out. We'll get into that.

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>> It's great to be on.

>> Yeah. Who are you? What do you do?

>> I'm a lawyer and a political consultant. Worked for, uh, then Donald J. Trump, uh, from 2010 to 2015 and, uh, excited to be here. It's going to be an interesting experience. I'm the oldest person in the room for once.

>> All right. Well, you know, considering we've got, uh, this hard proof that aliens are real, we had to bring in our ringer. Shane's hanging out.

>> It's good to be here. Uh,

>> They didn't actually prove anything. But

>> you know, I cover this stuff extensively and, uh, I believe this is what the experts call faking gay.

>> That is indeed.

>> But I have a lot to say about it.

>> All right. All right. The rest of the crew is hanging out.

>> Hi everybody.

>> What's going on? I'm

>> actually the oldest person in the room for the record. I don't know if you

>> How old are you? Oh.

>> Oh, that's right.

>> How old are you?

>> Oh, 45 in June. Oh, no. He got you.

>> 47, baby. Holding it down.

>> That's just He took that from you. I know. I know.

>> I was really hot under the collar when you said it. I didn't know what Let me just keep it in my head.

>> Carter's here, too. I'm very excited.

>> What's up? I'm the youngest one in the room, I think.

>> How old are you?

>> No, I'm not. You are, Tate.

>> Yeah. How am I talking about?

>> 25.

>> I'm not 24. So,

>> unbelievable. Unbelievable.

>> All right, let's get into it. We got this from CNBC. Virginia Supreme Court strikes down redistricting push in blow to Democrats. This is Nuclear Bomb and my friends, we have a present for you. It is. It is. This It's going to be hard to hear, so everyone's got to be Well, I have, I have to ask the crew to be quiet for a second because we got to boost the volume on this. But, let's, uh, let's get it.

>> Shame. Shame on every single Supreme Court justice who voted to take away our rights as a people to express taking away our other.

>> Okay. The the appropriate response is, "Ma'am, this is a Wendy's." Uh, you should start a channel, man.

>> I, I want to, I, I just want to stress, um, that the Virginia Supreme Court upheld the rights of the people of the state 4 to 3. They ruled that the attempt to vote away 45% trying to vote away the rights of the other, I'm sorry, 55% trying to vote away the rights of the other 45 is not upholding anybody's rights. And the Supreme Court of Virginia said, "Hey, uh, there's a constitutional procedure for amending the Constitution. This is not it." So, no. Struck it down. And I'm just going to let's, let's, let's throw out the the partisanship for a second and just say Democrats are losing on this one in their own state. Republicans lost in Indiana. So, there's, there's, you know, points over here and points over there. All in all, with the the latest map, I think I actually have a map here for you guys. This is massive. Currently, let's, uh, let's zoom in on this map our friend Claude made for us. And we're looking at Republicans are have a net gain of eight seats with nine still in flux. Here's where it gets crazy. Maryland has a potential, but probably too late to enact because the state senate will not bring it to a vote. New York might try to do a last-minute deal. Indiana probably couldn't get it done. So, these, these, these are pending and unlikely. However, these southern states, I don't know why it's got Georgia listed. It should be, it should not be, uh, Georgia, but Mississippi did, did shift. We'll get, we'll get a correction on this, but Tennessee, North Carolina already have seen these gains. So, if this resolves, we're looking at a potential plus 12 across the board for Republicans, and it's just, uh, it's, it's a nuclear bomb for Democrats. Uh, they're claiming that their rights are being infringed, just ladies screaming, "Shame for taking away my rights." Bro, 50% of the state trying to vote away the other 45's rights. No. Now, as for Tennessee, they had one district anyway, and they're v that's getting eliminated under the VRA, and I say good to that. If you go to Virginia, which had balanced maps, and say eliminate the balanced maps in favor of Democrat maps, wrong. If you go to a red state that's got racially gerrymandered, and you get rid of that, good. Now, I'm biased, so I'm happy the Republicans are winning, but I think there's a moral distinction here.

>> Well, definitely. Let's talk about the rationale of the decision, Tim, in Virginia, and I didn't even know this until that vote. The reason that Virginia, it was only a 4-3 decision, but the reason that those four justices overturned this was because actual votes were cast by Virginians before the Virginia legislature decided to put the amendment up for the vote. In other words, they were disenfranchising their own voters to do

>> Also was Louisiana though. The the dissent from Katanchi Brown Jackson in Louisiana is that there's already 50,000 votes cast.

>> And so if they redo the election now, they're telling those, it's like 14,500 votes, you're, you're gone. The argument is, okay, well, the map's unconstitutional. Have a nice day. The issue, however, with Virginia is the new map is unconstitutional. In Louisiana, the the map they tried implementing is unconstitutional. So, sorry, those votes don't count. In Virginia, the new map is unconstitutional because they didn't go through the proper procedure for amending.

>> Right? It's a process issue. Yeah. It's an actual process.

>> They literally just said you can't just amend the Constitution through a vote. It's got to go through a process.

>> And the Tennessee pearl clutching is hilarious because Tennessee, not to get like too partisan hacky here, but it's just true. Is that Tennessee and Massachusetts have a nearly identical population. They have like seven and a half million each. And Massachusetts is nine Democrats, zero Republicans. And the spread between Democrats and Republicans in Massachusetts is far closer than Tennessee. As in, far more people as a proportion of the population voted for the Republicans in Tennessee than Democrats in Massachusetts. So again, it's one of those things where it's like if you're really going to pearl clutch over Tennessee, have a word with Massachusetts first. All we're doing here is settling scores. That's all that's happening. Sorry, Tim makes this point on the show. We're doing this procedurally. This is a procedural victory. This isn't like mind-blowing. This isn't an over, you know, over, you know, we're not ramping up necessarily. Um, just playing, we're not playing dirty, per se. No, it's just again, settling scores is primarily what's happening here.

>> Yeah, but you could play dirty with procedure, too. The Nazis, Hitler did that. I mean, things illegal, like having guns illegal and stuff, and it was like it's all procedure.

>> Well, we could. No, no other government ever has done anything like this. There, there's literally no other example in history that we could cite to, uh, condemn authoritarianism or tyranny. It's always got to be Nazi Germany.

>> It's always Nazi Germany.

>> When I, when I saw Steve Cohen lose his seat, I was like, I feel like this is what 1939 in Berlin. What's going on here?

>> Right. Right.

>> Well, I just don't want to hide behind like the Bolshevik Revolution saying because it's because it was done on paper, it's right. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right or or ethical. But I just want to point that out. Like you're saying score settling, that sounds like a bad thing.

>> Well, I would grant that if Massachusetts had like a fair map or at least if they were giving us at least like two Republicans, then I'd be like, okay, you know, I could see that argument. But in this instance, I'm like, no, this, I'm not settling scores. I'm, I'm leveling the playing field is what's going on here. Republicans are finally like, oh wow, we've been getting swamped for years. We're eating our lunch. Let's actually try to catch up. Can't play by Marquess of Queensberry rules anymore. That's just the reality of the situation. If the Democrats take power,

>> imagine if they did, God forbid, in 2028, you know what you're going to have? You're going to have Puerto Rico

>> Yeah.

>> as a state. You're going to have two senators from DC. You're going to have around 50 million people added to the rolls, uh, all voting Democrat. So, this is really their last gasp. Now, thank God, uh, and thanks to Stephen Miller and others, thank God that we have the census also coming in 2030, which we haven't talked about. So, the long-term projection for this republic, we are a republic, not a democracy, for this republic, is that Democrats can no longer game the system anymore to, uh, to have more seats and more representation than they deserve. I mean, we've all seen the maps on the presidential, right, everyone?

>> You know,

>> I just, I wonder how many of these districts had cemeteries in them AND ALL THE DEMOCRATS

>> all the Democratic voters they lost. You saw North Carolina recently had tens of thousands of, uh, dead people on the polls. Yeah, they tried to keep them on.

>> I'm surprised the Democrats haven't pushed to ban cremation because that really, you know, it's bad for them.

>> They need the bodies. They need the bodies.

>> It would be funny if you get granular with these maps and you can see that they carve all they did was carve out a single cemetery and then it turns into a red district.

>> You know, I know you have a lot of listeners and followers in Virginia. You know what's interesting to me is Spamber, as we know, ran against this, right? She said, "I'm not going to put this up." And then she did. Obviously, she's a liar. She did after she was elected. And I was wondering, was this like with Bush when he only supported McCain-Feinold because he told everyone, well, it'll get overturned by the Supreme Court. So, is she, is this part of her long game to at least get the VP ticket and say, look, I did this, but I, but at the end of the day, she actually expected this to be overturned.

>> I mean,

>> you know, we can go pie in the sky, super super optimistic, white bill conspiratorial, and they're trying to ice out woke. I mean, we saw we saw in some of these, uh, primary races, they're trying to get the progressives to lose. They want them out. Mhm.

>> And maybe this is all one big plan. Look, the Republicans are going to win because they want progressives to lose. Then come back out and say it's your fault,

>> the wackaloon progressives. Or more importantly, the shift rightward in a lot of these states will force the Democrats to moderate as a as a party to try and capture more moderate districts.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, even in the the new map or the now it's dead in Virginia was they actually spread out like deep blue districts and now you had a bunch of sort of maybe leaner or or like lighter a lighter shade of blue districts. And so to Tim's point, I mean, they would have had to run guys that could tack a little bit more to the right when necessary if they end up in a knife fight if the GOP threw up a good candidate. So yes, Virginia clawed back more Democrats, but they lost a lot of their bite to really push through hyper progressives and that sort of thing. I'd love to, uh, to see the Democratic party go a little more moderate because then I will join them again and then I will force the Republican party to be their best in order to come back because right now I don't want them to feel like we got this. We don't have to be good people. We, we just have to be authoritarian and make it, you know, make the law in our favor. Like

>> just want to I want to point out something real quick.

>> 270 to win changed the Virginia congressional map even though this was pending adjudication. And it's the weirdest thing ever to shift that projection. I don't get it. Uh, let me reset real quick. It currently the the as of right now, House projection 27 win is is Republican winning 209 Republican, 207 Democrat. They've updated Florida. That's signed. They've not updated Louisiana, which is going to happen. These other southern states, but Virginia, it looks like they changed Virginia back to what it should look like, except for the actual districts. So, the map should be reverted, but it looks like they just arbitrarily turned blue, districts red, so it fits properly despite the map being wrong. But I want to give a shout out and a um condolences to our to our friend Pinchy. Pinchy the lobster. Everybody was calling this district Pinchy, which is a Simpsons reference. Okay. Uh no longer. No longer. It's it's it's gone. Not allowed. And so, uh, I mean, this is crazy. The current projection is 209 Republican to 207 Democrat with 19 toss-ups. So, we'll see exactly what happens. But already, let's do this. We're going to eliminate this. This, we're going to eliminate one here.

>> Mhm.

>> We're going to eliminate one here. We're going to eliminate one here. Already, you eliminate those VRA districts, and it's 212 Republican, Democrat 204. What has shocked me the whole time, and I'm going to tell you this, I will take, uh, let me pull this up from Kelshi. I am going to, uh, do a victory lap here. I have been saying all week that the prices were wrong on the balance of power on the Kalshi market. Democrat House and Senate is the plurality 43% to win. Democrats can't win the Senate. I'm going to say it again. They can't win. So if you go to the Senate map, it is based on Republican states already 50 seats. Democrats would have to flip a Republican senator out of office and win all remaining toss-ups. That will not happen. They will not win the Senate. So why the are people putting money on Democrat House and Democrat Senate even when Decision Desk says Democrats are the underdog in the Senate? It makes no sense. And you can see here for Republican sweep just spiked six percentage points. I said last week based on the VRA, this is mispriced. These predictions are wrong and that once the the statements start coming in from these from the DOJ and from the governors, Republican sweep will spike. The only question right now is will Democrats win the House? Senate's a done deal. Democrats might win the House, but as of right now with this major shift we've just seen, they're I'm going to call them underdogs. Republicans just gained eight seats right now. The current polling has Republicans at 12 to Democrat 204 if the southern states redistrict under the VRA if Har Dylan goes after him. Did you guys know that if Har Dylan goes to New Jersey, she could flip a district Republican in New Jersey? Pennsylvania has two seats that can be flipped Republican as well based on the VRA.

>> When you say if she goes there, what do you mean? What would she do?

>> If the DOJ uses the weight of law enforcement, they say the federal government is enforcing the the Supreme Court's ruling on racially gerrymandered districts and then sue the state requiring them to redistrict. If that happens, you can get two more Republican districts in Pennsylvania and one in New Jersey.

>> Yeah. I mean, I've even seen some discussion, some chatter that this could even be applied in California. There's a lot of seats in California that are overwhelmingly majority Hispanic, overwhelmingly majority Asian, but they're carved in such a way where, okay, yes, the Democrat party in their head just steal them to be honest here. Is they're probably like, we just need to scoop up and sink a district, make it as Democrat as possible, but again, by law, if you evaluate that from a V perspective, you're saying, well, well, no, that's just a racial gerrymander.

>> Let me pull this story from Postman. Keem Jeff is livid

>> after Virginia court ruling blocking redistricting says Dems will win midterms no matter what it takes.

>> Now he's really mad.

>> Well, our friend Hassan has chimed in saying the Virginia Supreme Court denied the results of the redistricting referendum. Scotus gutted the voting rights act and Tennessee carved up the last Democrat district destroying black voter power in the state. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. That that now that is true. We got to get to the story. Tennessee today enacted their map. The city of Memphis has been split into three different districts now turning each of these districts red, eliminating the one Democrat district. And unfortunately, this, uh, this man right here, Steve Cohen, black power gone.

>> This, this white Jewish man who was the representative from this black district, he represents black power. And the Republican candidate, the black woman, does not. Oh, I, I've never been, I'm a native Memphian. This guy has been terrorizing my city for a very long time with just him calling out on a regular basis. And he blocked me on Twitter. He blocked me on Twitter cuz I, cuz I think I called him a crazy person or something, which is objectively true. Um, he blocked me on Twitter and that's unconstitutional. It's from his official congressional account and I depend on, you know, Representative Cohen, uh, his updates on Twitter for, you know, information on my hometown. This very vital information that me and now he's withholding me for my constitutional right.

>> Yeah.

>> I think I have a case here. I mean, if there's any lawyers in the audience, give me a shout because this is just unbelievable. Rep. Cohen is just isolating, picking out a private citizen for like just again, I'll use the word again, a score settling. It's really unacceptable. Uh, but Steve Cohen's case now, the, there's zero prospects for a Democrat in any sort of statewide operation. So, um, I would recommend for him to maybe update his resume, add the open to work thing on his LinkedIn profile. I think that would favor

>> black power.

>> What do you guys all think?

>> I have this debate with friends of mine. What do you think if the Democrats do take the house? We would obviously, I say we Republicans would still control the Senate. Could the Democrats control themselves and not impeach Trump? It's such a political loss. Yeah, I don't think I don't think they're going to.

>> You know, you know, you know the meme of the kid like in the desk at school and he's like, and the veins are popping out. That's what they're like right now.

>> I think they would do it once and if it failed, they would just stop doing it. I think if they were going to do it, they would do it once and then

>> Mhm.

>> I think I, I think what's more likely is they'd try to gum them up and gum up admin officials and, um, hearings and that sort of thing. I don't, I don't think there, from what I've seen, I just don't think there's an appetite right now among the House to, if they were to win, to try and impeach them. It's just, it takes so much work. Again, they've had opportunities, um, and, you know, so far where a few, uh, you know, kind of Democrat congressmen that are maybe on the outs have tried to put forward, um, impeachment legislation and they've gotten told off by like more senior officials of the Democratic party. They're like, "Dude, this is just not worth it right now." So, I think what's more likely is they just try to gum up everybody, drag them into hearings, committees, and that sort of thing.

>> You guys are assuming the aliens will let the midterms happen.

>> Yeah, that's exactly right. Who knows? Who knows? Extraterrestrials or like like illegal.

>> Yo. Oh man. I asked markets are saying

>> I asked Grock to make a picture of Scott Gahan at a protest and it it made this.

>> That's probably pretty close to what he's done.

>> That's a I didn't, I didn't write Black Lives Matter or anything. It just put him there. So

>> he is infamous kind of his his five minutes of fame. I mean, he's had a few over the years, but one was he just ate a bucket of KFC fried chicken during a House committee.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But come on

>> obvious pandering to his black. I reject this. See what I can't stand is the racism that says only black people are allowed to enjoy fried chicken.

>> I love fried chicken.

>> Every every nation, every people loves fried chicken. In China, they fry the chicken and put sugar sauce in all over it.

>> And so this stereotype where they're like, "Haha, the guy's eating fried chicken. It's for black people." No, I love fried chicken. Yeah.

>> I eat fried chicken like every single day practically.

>> Is it

>> and that's why I'm so offended.

>> But Steve Cohen, it was a weird because it was during a hearing where they had Barr in front of him and I guess the message he was trying to send was Barr is a chicken and so he's like I'm going to eat fried chicken and then immediately everyone's like, doesn't he represent Memphis? It's more obvious what's going on here.

>> It's original. Yeah.

>> Did he gorge the whole bucket?

>> Dude. Yeah. He was going to town.

>> Well, I mean, I guess the issue is that he ate it in a disgusting way. It was very ass.

>> Was he licking his fingers?

>> Sucking on the tips and stuff? Yeah.

>> Sucking his own spark.

>> Oh, look at it. There's a picture.

>> Oh, he's going.

>> Is Is Hassan arguing that this represents black power?

>> There's people that can't afford that.

>> I got questions.

>> If I'm Wait, hold on. Deer Park Water, that's also bad. You know, plastic.

>> And I don't think that's the Memphis water because, you know, all the different water brands are like segregated by region. I'm pretty sure in what is it in Memphis? It's not in Deer Park. So he's this is a foreign water.

>> What's his net worth?

>> He's a swamp creature.

>> Colonel Sanders is a racist symbol. I'm surprised that's there.

>> I know, right? Yeah. Symbol of Antebellum South. It says Kentucky on the bucket when he's supposed to be serving Tennessee. Was it Tennessee?

>> Yeah, Memphis.

>> True.

>> You know, it's funny, too. Um, Steve, Steve Cohen after this whole all happened, there was a few, um, House and state reps from Memphis and they were like, there was one guy, he got up and he's like, "Memphis needs to secede from this country right away." And I was like, if Memphis became its own state, it would be a GTA server the next day. Like, it would be unbelievable.

>> It's also, you know, a Marvel movie.

>> Maybe maybe you don't want to take Tennessee in that direction.

>> If you're like the chair of a committee and and he's just going and he's just like ruining the whole hearing or he's harassing one of the witnesses, right? A Republican witness or an administration official. Can you imagine you're just a chair, you just be like, can you just shut the hell up? You shouldn't even be here anymore, right?

>> He has an estimated net worth of $10 million.

>> Oh, that's it.

>> 9.9 million active. Can we find out? Well, he was like a he was, um, he was a criminal defendant. Like he was a lawyer.

>> He was a criminal defendant. What, what crime did he commit?

>> He would only defend criminals.

>> He was a criminal defense attorney.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Criminal defense, effectively.

>> He is on trial for crimes on grand for Memphis

>> because he was because he was so he was so

>> a member of Congress is currently

>> Well, it's because every single time he was in, uh, in the court, it was him defending like a violent criminal, like every, like reliably.

>> Oh, he's been in in Congress for 16 years. He's become an expert stock trader, right? It must be from his criminal law.

>> Microsoft, Tennessee Stable Value Fund, and Amgen are his three largest.

>> Did you guys see that Roana thing?

>> Yeah. Negative.

>> Yeah. He was accused of massive, massive illicit trades deals. Like the most notorious. There's like a, it's like what is like a 230 page breakdown of like everything he did.

>> Yeah. Has he responded to that? I mean, he's always, he's always on social media.

>> Yeah. Basically, the accusation is that his family is doing these trades. So, it's not, it's supposed to be outside of your family with a different company or whatever and he's buying defense contract stuff. And that's the accusation. I don't know. I, I only read it briefly and, uh, I'm waiting to see.

>> That's all of them. Krenshaw does it too. Pelosi, they all get rich.

>> Right?

>> One more thing about Cohen before

>> the only reason to be in Congress.

>> Yeah. One more really weird thing about Cohen before we move on to vindicate my point that he is a crazy person is there was this, it was like, you know, the find your roots show that you saw on TV. There was something similar where they discovered that his, like maternal grandmother was born in Turkey. Now he's Jewish. So this was obviously probably someone that was Jewish that moved out of the Ottoman Empire. But because of that, he went in so far as he got nominated to like the Council on Turkish Relations. And he was a bulwark against recognizing the Armenian genocide because he was like, "We don't want to piss off Turkey, my ancestors." This guy is like actually a crazy person. Like bonafide crazy person. And, um, that's like the weirdest reason I think I've ever seen to oppose recognizing the Armenian genocide is because my Jewish grandmother lived in the Ottoman Empire. I'm, I'm going to take all these clips and I'm going to expo and I'm going to go on X and I'm going to just go at him. At him, blocked.

>> This is actually pretty crazy. This is Carolyn Ren.

>> The current totals are Republican up eight with with two to six pending for Republicans. Republicans could theoretically end up with 14 extra seats.

>> So again, I, I don't know why if if you were on the betting markets and you were like it's 50% Democrat House, Republican Senate or Republican sweep, I'd be like that makes sense. But these people who are arguing, I'll put, I'll put it like this. Anybody buying Republican, uh, uh, Republican House, Democrat Senate, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. So, I don't know why anybody would put any money in that. But again, who are these people that are like, I'm going to invest money on Democrats winning both here. And and I'm, I'm going to explain why that makes no sense. The only thing that can happen is this goes down.

>> All of the the redistricting war stuff we're seeing is favoring Republicans. So the news is going to, or the hype, I should say, should bring that down as it becomes likely not to happen. There's not going to be any big story or hype indicating Democrats are going to do better. It's only going to indicate they're doing worse. Projecting a decline in the value of those contracts. Well, Tim, you got to realize something. Democrats and their problem is is because they don't know what to do with Trump, they always fight the last war, which is one of the worst things you can do in political warfare. Now, when I was following you during the election, we would all, you guys would always, uh, cover the prediction markets. So, if I'm a, if I'm a Democrat here and I'm seeing and I remember like Elon was always posting about the prediction markets how Trump is going to win. If I'm a Democrat here, I'm going to say to donors or somebody like that, I'm going to say, "Hey, keep betting on the Democrats. Keep betting on the Democrats." You know, it's, it's a form of market manipulation.

>> But but the idea that the Democrats could win the Senate, that that's crazy. Now, it's now Republicans are going to have to spend a lot of money in certain states they don't normally want to have to, such as like, let's say Ohio. I think that that could be a difficult race for Republicans. But, but this is, but this is something where if we're going to start looking at this as a scientific, I mean, these aren't, you know, the, these aren't, although I would say the bankers too. Who knows what with what they do, right? Yeah.

>> I mean, we look at the price of crude oil now, that's ridiculous. But, uh, I mean, this isn't exactly scientific. It's people just betting their money.

>> Yeah. Yeah. In the betting markets sometimes sometimes it's like wishful betting where it's like they're wishing for what they would like to see happen. This happens a lot. Like a good example is, um, Randy Fine and Dan Bazarian are running against each other now again. Anyone like working in politics knows like Dan Bzarian's like no chance here whether or not you like Fine, that's like besides the point, um, but he's at like 30% in the betting market and so it's basically just they're selling dollars for .7 cents right now because it's like one of those things where people are seeing the online energy, they're seeing he gets a lot of likes and they're like, oh, this clearly must be a viable candidate. But we've learned over and over and over again is that Twitter is real life and in so far as it affects the zeitgeist, but in so far as like culminating into elections, it's never really the case. And, uh, the betting markets just aren't keeping up with like the reality on the ground oftentimes. Um, again, I bet a lot of these people that are betting are just probably one side of their algorithms telling them, "Oh, the Republicans are way out of line. The the court's going to come crashing down on them. They have a plan. They believe Hakee Jeffy's at his word." But again, like the pragmatic approach to what's happening is like the Republicans procedurally are now having a mass, they have a serious advantage in the midterms coming up. And then again, I mean, maybe this is a predicated on like the Iran war getting extended. That could be why they're still betting on Democrats, but I, I imagine that will get mopped up at some point.

>> I mean, let me put my evil political consultant hat on. Look, we've got $4,311,000 total volume. At least if I'm reading that correctly, right? I could go to a wealthy person who's a Republican, let's say, and I could say, "Look, these prediction markets, I need you. It's good for public perception. Do me a favor. Put put a couple hundred grand on Republicans here. I just need, I just need to change the numbers a little."

>> Like a Democrat running right now and they're in a knife fight. They can take this betting market, go to back to their donors and say, "Hey, we still have a chance here, but we got to like ice this out. Give me some more."

>> Yeah, that's right. And

>> Makes sense. Makes sense.

>> Yeah. You know,

>> oh, so you get one guy to put $500,000 into the betting market, and then the other guy goes and raises 2 million.

>> Yeah. Something like that too.

>> Ah, something like that.

>> That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Only two betting marks people rely on. It's here in

>> Polyark,

>> right? And and and the one thing I would say is 2024 it was indicative. It certainly was indicative. And you guys covered that all the time. And you were 100% right. That was new to me. You know, as somebody who does this for a living, I had to see, I had to see what goes on in every presidential election. I mean, when I worked in 2016, the the big thing was Twitter, right? In 2008, you know, if you look at Obama's win, the big thing was a Facebook group. Oh wow. The Obama campaign had Facebook groups to get people to organize. But this this made a big difference on public perception. Yeah.

>> For President Trump,

>> but it's not that much money.

>> Yeah. It puts all these, it puts all these, um, these vote getters, you know, there's like an entire industry built up around getting out the vote. It puts them in a really tough spot because like it's tough for them to actually determine which calculation is leading to electoral victory and whatnot because, you know, you'll see some guys that will come out and they're like, "Oh, we knocked like a million doors and got a bunch of people to like register as Republicans." and then they get spanked the next election. So, it's like, okay, well, I don't know if that's a reliable metric, but then you go off betting odds, not reliable. Twitter now is just like a mess. So, it's really tough to determine for a lot of these, yeah, like the guys in the consultant class or or even guys that are like get out the vote types. It's difficult to really determine where energy actually is. I think we're actually kind of returning to a pre-internet era of like, you kind of just have to do vibe checks, just ask voters what they're thinking. And polling is ending up being somewhat reliable. They actually got the last midterms pretty, they did pretty well because I remember approaching the last midterm cycle, everyone's like the polling's BS, this is the margin of error. Like the Republicans are going to win. It's going to be a red wave. And then the Democrats won. It's like, well, it turns out like the polling is actually maybe these pollsters have learned their lesson a little bit.

>> I, I want to stress to another market from Kali which is not priced in properly and that's will Trump be impeached? If rep, if Democrats do not take the house, Trump will not be impeached. And considering now this massive procedural victory, theoretically you should see will he be impeached? You should see no be spiking that he will not be. But indeed it's not. Uh, I think the issue with this market there's twofold. First, you can actually the way it's structured with before January, before March or before January 1st, '27. Um, I'm sorry, before January of 2028, March of '27 or January of '27. The all conditioned on it happening within a time frame.

>> Right?

>> So, the the the graph actually is just showing you that people think it will happen on this date or on this date.

>> Of course, the implication is they expect him to get impeached. However, considering we just, we're looking at a potential 14 seat swing for Republicans,

>> I'd argue no. Should be skyrocketing. It should be massive. Trump's not going to get impeached. Like the the likelihood of getting impeached goes down every single day.

>> Right? Well, look, if I think the, if California is overturned, and it could, it could. I just saw that Senator Schmidt posted on X about that. If that's overturned, that's ball game.

>> That's ball game for Republicans. Republicans will keep the House. And the weird thing is, let me just say one quick thing. When we talk about vibes, a lot of this, you guys got to remember, it's just cyclical, right? Like the Republic, like the incumbent president, they lose the midterm. They lose the midterm. So, he'll lose the House. But, but we've got a couple things here that they're just outliers. One is Donald J. Trump

>> and the voters have to vote for him.

>> And then, and then number two is a Democrat brand. Even at this time, it is just, it is just terrible. I mean, what, I mean, what do they represent?

>> Child sex changes.

>> Exact. That's exactly right. That's that's our number one priority.

>> Dude's pulling fire a lot.

>> NOT REAL.

>> YES.

>> Not real. Now with with Kowi in this instance, is there a possibility that a lot of these people are just jammed up in these contracts that are now looking like really unfavorable and they just can't sell out of them? Like

>> they're waiting, they're waiting for, uh, it's got to go up before they can sell.

>> Yeah. Well, what's the volume here? I mean, no one's going to be buying. Yes. Maybe a lot of these guys are just jammed up in these contracts.

>> 3.2 million.

>> Yeah. But I'm saying in so far as you've bought a yes contract, who's buying yes contracts right now? That could be like the, it's just there's, there's no ability to actually move the volume right now because everyone's jammed up. Everyone's trying to dump money now into

>> nobody. Well, I mean, what you'd expect to happen is no, right now nobody wants to lose money on Democrat House, Democrat Senate, so they're, they're, they're floating, but the value of Republican House and Republican Senate or Republican sweep has just jumped six points in the past day or so.

>> Mhm.

>> So if, if you bought Republican sweep when it was at 13.5 and you're up to 26, congratulations. You doubled your money. You're good. You can exit. So we'll see. You know, you missed your calling as a stock trader.

>> No, no, I did not. I don't think stock trading is a real thing anyway. I mean, there's, uh, I was wa, I was watching this funny, I was reading this funny thing on stats. Uh, you, you're more likely to make money in a casino than day trading.

>> Could be.

>> There's, it's, it's. Yep. Based on the house edges of games, people, uh, more, the, the, the rate at which a person will leave a casino with money per per capita per 100 people is greater than the amount of people who will make money day trading.

>> Yeah. Nice thing about trading is you can do it from home and you could do it without going anywhere, but it's boring as hell. I was trading crypto like fervently in 2017, 2018. Computer so much. So you make 100%. You can like just double your money in like 3 days. It's crazy how much if you read the white papers and you know what's happening, 99% of the population has no idea. That's why they, crypto's all hype. Let's jump to the next big story. Let's jump to the next big story. Got this from the Daily Mail. Ladies and gentlemen, it's happened.

>> They have released the UFO files. They have released some UFO files. There's interesting images. Star struck, chilling UFO files. Video shows eight pointed star with shape-shifting arms darting across the sky. Look at this. Look at this. That proves it. That is ridiculous,

>> right? It's what happens when you point a camera at a light. That could

>> Yeah, but that's too solid. What is a shape-shifting army? It's not doing anything. That's just like a compass. Why, why would anyone believe that any video is real?

>> When I first saw that, I thought it was going to draw a phallus.

>> They're just going to Rick roll us with the files.

>> So then we've got all of these photos. Look at this. This proves it. See this right here? That is, uh, clearly an image of aliens making contact with Earth.

>> This is like, Oh, so they can never release it in color.

>> Yeah, it's black. Why can't they ever release

>> stuff in color?

>> Well, there's none. I think one of one of the more interesting things is is these photos.

>> This is a photo from the Apollo mission. You can see these strange blue lights off in the distance and then there's the these blue lights and then, uh, this, I, I got to clarify for everybody because I'm seeing people

>> I'm seeing people look at this and go, "That's not real." Yes, it's not real. It's literally someone described something so they went into a '90s program and they were like, "Does it look like this?" It's intentionally not a real photo.

>> Can you show that top one again? Well, I'm looking for the, uh, I'm looking for what these right here.

>> Right.

>> So, look at this image.

>> This is Apollo 1969 and there were strange objects that they, they claim were floating in the sky. Uh, and Shane was explaining, I've heard this before, that we were attacked by aliens on the moon.

>> Well, if you believe in the moon and you believe that people went to the moon

>> first, you got to believe in the moon.

>> If you believe in the moon, yeah, there's a theory that as our astronauts encountered some sort of demon alien monster up there and that's why we didn't go back. And NASA's just lying about all the files being deleted. That's why we didn't go back, they say. And then they also say that the Russians were overhearing that happening. That's why they never went and sent people there. Um, I don't buy it. I mean, Stanley Kubrick was only working with so much at the time. Those are I think just

>> these are just like lens flares and like

>> Yeah, it doesn't really do anything for me. I, the whole thing just seems so silly. You know, the most of the reporting I've seen on this in like the mainstream space is they can hardly get through the reporting without smiling. They're all like making jokes about, you know, X-Files and they gave Peter Ducey a hard drive and I thought he was about to start dancing on the White House.

lawn like lives of Tik Tok with an Epstein binder and, it's just a joke. It's like a demoralization campaign, you know. And also it's released on a Friday, right?

Yeah. Come on. We know how Fridays are with news. There's a reason they chose Friday. It wasn't a Monday. They're supposed to write history or what?

They want it to die. They want it to die because it's it's not Friday night news stuff. It's nothing. But they'll say they'll say why release it at all though.

Uh well, I think I think it's odd demon. uh narrative stuff going on and I think it's there's many ways of looking at it. Distractions from the Epstein files which are the real abductions that were happening to children.

What if what if they abducted the children for aliens?

Well, I think the they're demons and they were feeding off the children. That's

Well, so actually let's let's let's let's bring it all together because uh of course there's the sacrificing kids to Mollik, right? If the aliens as they describe them actually are just extra extra dimensional entities aka demons then they would want children and we can just go like take all the conspiracies put them in a nice little melting pot turn the heat up and Epstein was trafficking kids to interdimensional beings right?

And the reason they won't release any of the information is actually because then they'll be like yes they're they're entities that we sacrifice children to.

Right. I think a lot of this that we're seeing with the UFO files is a rebranding attempt from the Epstein files because the Epstein files implicate the ruling class on all sides of being complicit and taking part in this demonic activity. But with the UFO files, they're able to like uh project this onto some other entity that they're not.

So So the other conspiracy then just toh infer from there is the elites are kidnapping and raping kids and they're like, "What do we do? We can't release the information." And they go, "Can we set up a scheme so where we can blame aliens for doing it?"

Yeah. So then they release these alien files say, "Oh, those kids that went missing, aliens."

It's a boogeyman. I'm actually like one of the few people I'm proud of being in the Epstein Files.

Oh, nice. I was mentioned. Yeah.

How so? Are you a cannibal? Let me tell you.

To me, To me, it was a good way. I was I had a tit for tat with Steve Bannon.

Oh, wow. So Epstein says that Michael Wolf, who of course, you know, I tell Michael something. You know, I'm a reporter. I tell Michael something, right? Michael's not supposed to give away sources. He runs immediately to Epstein. So there's an email exchange where Epstein says uh he says Numbberg and you are a foul or something like that and Bannon's like question mark question mark and he goes talk to Wolf. So So Bannon says okay. So then he goes suffice to say I'm here to support you or something like that. I have my guys out here man. I would have loved it if Epstein went after me. I I would have killed that guy. You know Bannon once said to me he goes do you want to go meet Jeffrey Epste? I said what the f would I want to go meet Jeffrey Epstein for? I like what were they doing?

I have no idea what they were doing. I think Bannon was trying to get money from him.

That was very discouraging cuz I I'm some I've followed Bannon for a long time. He's one of my favorite guests who's ever been on IRL. Uh but his relationship with Epstein and the Files was very bizarre. He write he wrote it off as like a as a filmmaker and stuff, but there's a line you cross when talking to someone like Epstein, especially postconviction.

But I think a lot of this stuff with the UFO files is an attempt at rebranding a lot of the evil that we know is organized through the Epstein files. But uh in all seriousness, outside of any wacky theory, could it still be related to entities in some way like?

Well, yeah, I believe in the spiritual realm. I believe in demons. I don't need the government to tell me that I have the Bible. But I and I believe that also there's a possibility that ancient breakaway civilizations exist. Palmer Lucky, not a big fan of his, but I agree with his interpretation. It's the same one I have. We might disagree on the age of Earth, but I think it's very possible there were technologically advanced civilizations that broke away during some sort of cataclysm in that how long could that have been? Like how how old is the earth in biblical terms?

Well, I well, it depends who you ask. There's old age old earth theorists and younger theorists. I'm more of the young earth type, which is 6,000 years, you know.

So then how old the civilization really have been? I mean, we know about civilizations going back 6,000 years.

I I and I think within that 6,000 years, it could be however you interpret the age of Earth. Either way, it could be what?

Aa. I don't know about Gartha.

Agartha? No, that's the civilization in Hollow Earth.

Oh, I don't hollow earth and there's an advanced civilization inside the planet.

Well, they've been trying to say stuff like that, too. keep finding scientists keep finding new skeletons that rewrite human history, which is a lot of what this narrative is about. Getting people on board with a new sort of um narrative that fits in with the transhumanists that are in charge right now. Those are the demons I think we have. Like when they show me an image of Peter Teal that looks like an alien body.

What What do you think about the enhanced games?

What's that? You're not familiar?

They're doing the They're doing like an Olympics where you can take all the peeds you want.

Yeah. Release the freaks. I'm so like you're telling me drugs neural links.

I don't know about neural links but like apparently you can just be hop on, you know. Oh, good for them. Hey, go for it. That's that's awesome. I

But I think that's like a transhumanist thing.

Well, yeah, I mean that definitely borders into transhumanism. Uh I don't know if taking some of those things for sports, those guys might think of themselves as transhumanist, but the transhumanists are people who want to defeat God in their own way, which you can do, and live forever. And they're trying to shackle humanity to the material world. And uh I think that is uh in direct opposition to the Bible.

But it's like you're telling me trans uh trans not transgenders, transhumanists in the Olympics wouldn't be like the most fun thing on planet Earth like with robot arms lifting.

Exactly. Cuz I think we need two extra like lanes in the pool is have all the normal Olympians. At the top you have the transhumanist and at the bottom you have like an average guy so you can like gauge where you would be. But look look if if we went cybernetic with the enhanced games, it would literally just be like a head with like vital organs mounted to uh like like a like a forklift.

General Grievous.

A No, it's a forklift. It's a it's a human. It's like it's like they're going to be like, "Oh, we we can bioenhance any person. Okay, neural link this guy to a forklift and then see how much he can live." And it's like, "Oh god, that's not impressive."

Yeah. the uh the boxing would turn into that um robot battles that they do on

everythingots everything's flat on the ground spinning.

So uh the the the robot battle thing used to be interesting robots and they'd like attack with hammers and then people realized just make a robot as flat as possible with a hammer that spins around and so they're all making the same robots these days.

Yeah, there were giant robots fighting in Detroit a few weeks ago.

Why? That was cool. Just for fun, I guess. I don't know. And there was a kung fu robot that went haywire the other day, I think in Hong Kong, and went and attacked a crowd.

What? Looks like there's something else going on in Detroit. You might as well release arrest all robots. A robot attacked a crowd.

Yeah, it was like a kung fu robot.

Kung fu robot and it just went crazy.

Russians, too. In Hong Kong? I I forget if it was Hong Kong. I might just be saying that cuz it feels right.

Kung Fu robot, also known as Chinese Special Forces. Was it robot dance routine ends in chaos?

Maybe. Humanoid robot punches and kicks.

There's been a lot. Maybe that one. There's been a lot of robot news lately. robot attacks crap. It's like when the elephant the circus just attacks. It's like I'm sick of being patronized.

At what point do you become a cyborg? Is it if your mind if you're controlling with a neural link a machine that's over there or do you have to stitch it into your body to become

Is this it?

This is it. I think so. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Oh, he's saying this is the drunken monkey.

Not very good. No, but you got to realize this is a this is a scout to make you think they're not good. He's drunk.

They'll get you. He's drunk.

They'll get you. Did you see the one that tried to walk in the marathon and then it just fell instantly and exploded and it arms flying in the air?

It's my favorite fail videos. Uh Elon thinks we're cyborgs right now because of our phones and technology. That's the question. He defines it that way.

Like if you're going to do like e games, if if I'm sitting next to my robot, my bot, and I'm controlling it with my brain, am I a cyborg?

Yeah. If I'm if I'm using voice commands to a phone, am I a cyborg?

I mean, that's Elon's argument. I don't think so. I think, you know, does anybody have a watch that would make me a cyborg? I mean, when I'm in check my voice, am I a cyborg? Ask.

Yeah. I mean, if if you've got uh a headset on that can read your brain waves, are you a cyborg?

Uh, that might be getting there. But what's the difference between projecting a brain wave and and using your mouth? Sound waves versus brain waves. You're not actually integrated with the machine.

Cuz we had that thing when you were a kid where you had the headset on in the ball and you could like lift it up by like just like that. It only worked when you were a kid, bro. But we were all adult men when when you were

I was a kid 100 years ago. This is the UNF fest.

They are working on trying to translate your brain images though into image your brain. Yeah. Like Meta has been working on that.

They've already done that make you a

I think that makes you a victim of cyborgs. Uh if they're if they're going after you, you know, that's what they're trying to do. They're studying with the algorithm and all that stuff. But

No, but but I mean like if if you put on an EEG or whatever Yeah. and you could control a drone with it, are you a cyborg now? If you could control a drone perhaps because the stuff Palmer Lucky is talking about with Andrew that he showed on Rogan with the helmet, you could control like thousands of drones at once.

Yep. Yeah. You're kind of like a mutant magneto sort of transhumanist.

That's crazy. Actually has a genetic alteration. They don't. There's the cyborgs have tech alterations and the mutants have genetic alterations and then you might have both which would be the chimeas that they're also building.

So then uh what if what if you wore like an EEG thing and it was just to like turn your phone on and scroll? I think that makes you cyber cyborgish. Yeah.

I just I'm curious the distinction because Ian's mentioning you could do voice commands right now.

Yeah. Yeah. So choosing to project a wave with sound to make your device do things versus thinking it.

I mean I think that's like saying with the pacemaker you're you're sort of a cyborg.

Well the new pacemaker cyborg 100% the new pacemaker is in the new ear and ear whatevers. Uh they control you can control on your phone now.

They send data to your phone. Yeah. If you have if you have a mechanical device implanted in your body, you are a cyborg. Period.

You know, they've actually been developing nanotechnology that can self assemble inside of you to put a brain chip inside.

What reports? I got a question. I got a question for you. So, uh, is it there are circumstance like you're a cybernetic organism if you have like a pacemaker, if you have like an insulin pump, something in your body to keep you alive. But those are good things, right?

Yeah. Yeah. It's what what is the line like when it goes into your brain and now you're integrated?

All dogs are cyborgs. They have the chip. All the dogs have chips in them now.

Yeah. Yeah, that's I I don't I don't know that I would call that a side children. Yeah, I think you being chipped just makes you a slave, you know?

I mean, there's a difference to like wanting to just sustain a life as best you can with the day with the technology of the day and then the line being when you cross wanting to live forever, you know? Uh and a lot of these guys are developing the neural link and other things to live forever or to upload their consciousness, which I don't think you can do into a computer.

Yeah. Did you see that? Uh I think I don't know if it was a Black Black Mirror the show where the woman has a brain gets brain damage.

So they give her a a brain implant to to restore the damage to her brain, but it only works within within a within the cell network and then one day she drives outside the network and then she just blacks out. And they were like, "Oh, well you didn't pay for roaming. You got you got to you got to pay for long distance." Yeah, cuz like I have trouble cuz it's like I I agree that you know the the Neurolink thing if it is truly in pursuit of living forever that there's serious concerns there. But as far as like someone that's paralyzed. I mean what if you had a child that was blind and paralyzed and then you got offered this Neuralink technology to correct that? How on earth could you possibly say no?

I've had people call into the show who are parapolgics who are very much opposed to uh the the Neurolink. Because there's other things you can do that don't implant a microchip, you know. So there's other things that I I think they call it the brain bridge. I'm so sorry for the the guys who've called and told me about this, but uh I agree. But a lot of the stuff that they sell from these tech guys, it always comes out with like a it's beautiful. You're going to help people. You're going to cure seizures, you know, epilepsy. You're going to give sight to the blind. How can you say no to that? But there's always, you know, down the road, I think it's going to become part of the social credit system. It's going to become part of control and surveillance. It's going to be part of all the data centers that are being put up everywhere.

They're they're putting kill switches in our cars already.

Yes. Yes. They're they're going to put kill switches in your like motor function. They're going to be like, "He's a criminal." Beep. And

So, you're going to be here's here's what's really scary is I I watch all these videos on Instagram and Instagram loves feeding anti-cop videos, but there'll be some where you're like there there was one I watched where a woman gets pulled over and accused of being intoxicated and she's not. And then you actually on the body cam, the woman says, "They told me that if I didn't manufacture a DUI, I'd get in trouble." And she's like, "I know what to do." And the other cops like just make it up.

Yeah. Like these these are crazy. This will happen.

Yeah. You will be walking down the street and there's going to be a bad cop who's going to be like, "I just got to give someone a ticket otherwise I'm going to get in trouble." And then they're going to like deactivate your motor function and you're going to be walking and just freeze and you're not going to be able to move and they're going to be like, "You're be you're under arrest."

It's going to get it's going to get creepy. I'm not saying all cops are bad. I'm just saying there will be instances definitely where you'll I imagine it'll be something like with with with cars right now. What's here's here's my prediction. They're self-driving cars are already everywhere. They're going to become uh more and more ubiquitous with the roll out of like the Tesla taxi and things like this. Already Gen Z doesn't drive. Millennials barely drive. And then what's going to happen is their vision is to have apps. No one owns a car. There's one app. All cars are part of various fleets that communicate with each other. So there's no more traffic. You need a car, you press a button, the car comes, picks you up. It brings you there. You get your groceries. It brings you back. And then what ends up happening though is they're not going to outlaw driving. They're going to say, "No, no, no. You're free to drive whenever you want." However, insurance is going to be three grand a month because human drivers cause accidents. This will phase out human driving due to cost and people will slowly forget about it. And they'll do the same thing with brain implants and Neuralink.

They're going to say, "No, no, no, no. Look, don't get I'm sure Elon will say this. Nobody's forced to get Neuralink. You don't need to get Neuralink. It's for people who are paralyzed. They want to walk. They want to see. They want to hear. If you are healthy and you want to get one though to interface with their computer, that's that's personal choice. Then what happens is one day in 20 years more and more people using it will be communicating through Neuralink, right? And you'll show up to a job interview. It'll be like a Gen Alpha kid who's like 30 and he'll say, "Uh, I'd love to do this job. I'm the best uh uh you know uh prompter for for the AI networks. I can prompt anything." And they're going to say, "You sound fantastic. uh just give us your Neuralink ID and we'll reach out to you as soon as possible. And he's gonna go, "Well, I I don't have a Neuralink." And they're gonna go, "Well, how do we talk to you?"

Yep. It's like, "Well, you can email me." Like, we no one uses email anymore. And so, like with cell phones right now, how do you get a job if you don't have a cell phone?

If you go to a Starbucks, I'd like to get a job and say, "Okay, leave your phone number." You go, I don't have one. But, how do we get in touch with you? I'll show up when you want me to show up and email me. They're going to be like, "Yeah, I I'm not gonna hire you if you don't have a cell phone. You can mail me, I'll mail you back.

Exactly. They're going to be like, "No, you're seeing like sociologically you are seeing sort of a return of sort of analog experiences." And so far as the idea of the dumb phone is actually really I I looked into it cuz I'm sick of this phone and I looked into it and there's a lot of people all across the West that are actually just ditching it going back to dumb phones and they're like you would think your life's over. Like you would think you're cooked but they're like no you pretty much mitigate anything that you need you can use on your desktop and that sort of thing. So that does make me a bit more that gives me a bit more comfort in so far as the technological advancements could be optional.

I agree. I'm a I want to say I'm a I'm a uh very proud Leight. Leites OG Leites were not anti-tech. They were anti- being replaced by mass autonomy. Original Leites used the weavers of the day. They didn't like that there was a building being built filled with all the technology to replace them, you know. And that's how I feel like obviously I like technology and using synthesizers or these microphones. It's amazing. And also Terminator 2, the greatest documentary ever made, taught you it taught you that you have to hack the machines to destroy the machines.

I got to push back. Terminator 2 is wrong about everything.

How so? How so? The Terminators are not going to be freaky skeletons with red eyes. They're going to be big titty anime waifuss.

Well, yeah, I know. I know. Elon's making them right now. I know that that part I agree with. I agree with the Terminator going to show up and it's going to be like a hot chick being like, "Come over here and give me everything you own." And they're going to go, "Okay."

There's been reporting about how a lot of uh these young guys are preferring dating AI girlfriends. So pathetic.

But I but I but I get it.

Oh, I know. It's It's so sad. It's so sad. Oh, the other thing I want to say though, you don't even you can opt out of the Neuralink and all that stuff. The future is with all of this stuff, technology making you believe in this fraudulent uh little G god that the technocrats are building from Silicon Valley. It's all leading up to pre-rime, social credit system, all that stuff. And they don't even need to be in your brain to know how you're going to act. They're studying you through the algorithm. And that's already happening in Louisiana and UK. They're rolling out pre-rime units like minority.

But but it's worse. It's worse than pre-rime. Pre-rime is the lie they use so that regular people think it's related to something bad. But once you get into a situation where it's a trust me, he's a bad guy.

The pre-rime system, the first thing they're going to do is they're going to say behavioral analytics to track uh deviant behavior. Here's an individual who we can see is about it's gonna be here's what's gonna start. They're going to start with these AI cameras and they'll show you a video of a guy walking around looking all shady and they'll be like, "Our AI detected a 99.7% likelihood he was about to rob this woman." And the moment he went up and pulled his weapon, we came out with police and grabbed him and stopped him. Pre-rime trackers, they won't call it pre-rime, they're going to call it like Deviant Deviant Analytics Network caught this guy before he committed the crime. Trust us. Then that will evolve into widespread use of AI cameras and there will be instances where a guy's walking down the street and he sees a woman he wants to rob a rape and then all of a sudden a robot grabs him and says you've been detected for deviant behavior and a crime was you know where and and you'll get a minor charge and a removal from the crime circumstance. But the ultimate conclusion is they will sell it to you as crime. But what happens when you are just deviant? when Shane Cashman says, "I need to go hold a rally and speak to the people about the dangers." And then as he's walking there, a drone comes and grabs him and says, "We've detected deviant behavior." Issues an alert saying that Shane was going to rape a woman when it's completely fake, but trust me. And everyone says, "Well, the AI doesn't lie. It only detects criminal behavior. So, why wouldn't it?"

I don't even think they're going to make that have to make that kind of a leap yet. I think they're going to find a way to redefine uh violent speech by saying at some point probably soon that being critical of AI is domestic terrorism. And I'm saying this because I'm saying this because Peter Teal is saying right now all over the world in his Antichrist talks that people who criticize AI are these are his words legionnaires of the antichrist, right? And Sam Alman's getting attacked with Molotov cocktails. I am totally against violence, but I I think it's going to lead to a place where you become critical of AI. They will try to shut you down, censor you off the things, and then if the social credit system is actually implemented, which is we kind of already have it, uh they will find a way to take

I I guarantee you, bro, like already AI related content is very interesting, but I I I believe is suppressed.

Oh, yeah. I I I I think What do you mean like how is it suppressed?

Well, I'll I'll say it for this first. I'll be rational. Mhm. Perhaps my audience doesn't care about AI, but I really doubt that considering that I can see what most people can see that AI is the beast or some it will destroy humanity. And I don't mean it'll kill all humans. Maybe I'm saying it erases what makes us human.

If I make videos about AI, they do poorly.

Really? Yeah. And I'm like, you've got conspiracy, apocalypse, antichrist, all of these things in one. It should actually be very interesting to people. Mhm.

There are a lot of AI videos, but the AI videos that I usually see are always very neutral and there they they take the stance of like, well, we do have fears for these reasons about AI. We think that it's going to do good things, too. You never you well, not never. There's a lot of videos that are very anti-A, but I do believe that the machine already wants to suppress this.

And it could be as simple as this. The AI could be building itself. Uh I I don't mean like the AI went back in time. saying like it's inadvertently and the humans are going along with it because it's it functions to their benefit. uh example of this the data centers if you ask if you ask an AI I want to cure cancer what do I need the AI's response will be I don't have the computing power you need to build a data center so the humans go build more data centers right it's it's it's telling the humans and it's a feedback loop so I think that's a likely reality then what happens is you've got big companies and individuals heavily invested in AI stock so they're going to go to Google and be like push that anti-AI stuff down I don't want to lose Mhm.

Data centers are the biggest financial right now. They're an absolute bubble. And that's one of the reasons why I'm thinking that, you know, did you notice I I remember that they were saying something about that the government was going to guarantee the loans of uh Chat GPT. And then Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then I can't remember his name, but he works at the EOB for the White House uh banker. Anyway, he comes out and he says it's not true. He's one of the Elon guys. He hates Sam Alman. It's not true. we're not going to. But the reality is is that as we saw and we were talking about the 2008 financial crisis, look, I've looked at these data centers for a client once and I said to him, "How do you make money off of this?" Like, if you don't own an AI platform, what is the point of having this? What is the point? And it's almost like he and and he wanted to buy it because it was like to him it was almost, you know, like owning a yacht, let's say. It was it was something where it's like, "No, I want to say that I have one."

But when these all go bust and they do, they're not. You don't think so?

Nope. No. They're going to The machine itself is not going to let itself die. They're developing uh this iron lattice technology where we're putting the processor the the memory of the computer in the processor itself. So there's no more busing agent. It it reduc

How does it make money? Uh that's what we're moving toward right post money society. That's what the AI is rushing towards. They want to get away from currency in in the money. They want to use electricity and the ability to move a payload. I think it's they're all in on post money society right now.

It makes money through war. That's what a lot of these things are building. AI power. right now is that people subscribe to these services for various reasons helping with their work. There's uh for the media industry, we use we use music for background music. There's video video generation. There's graphic generation for thumbnails and stuff like this. All subscription service. Then there's uh there's there's a lot of things that these models can do that are great. Clawed programming stuff, simple apps that we can use has actually been fairly fantastic.

What's going to happen is they're going to build large data centers. Then they're going to build these iron lattice chips and and it's going to reduce electrical cost by I think times 10 million times less electricity with like a million times more faster computational power. And then they're going to have like ghost towns of AI like like Ohio. It was like a rubber boom in the in the 1960s and then it was like a rusted out city. That's what these data hubs are. The AI is going to realize they're actually damaging society by using too much water. We need to move away. They're going to put them in orbit and underground.

Maybe. But the the the idea right now I think for a lot of these AI companies is when you say okay you've invested $100 billion how do you profit you say that's the best part once we build the AI it'll tell us.

That's not a joke. That's how they that's how they talk. Literally what they're doing.

As a shareholder right? Oh, for sure. But you know the the the stuff that um they're proposing I mean listen one of the proposals with AI they want to take all human health data available right now right load it into data centers mh That way you can take an if you took an image of every single human being's MRI or X-ray, right? Load it into the AI and then said, "Here are all the ones that developed cancer in 5 years." The AI will be able to tell you if you're going to get cancer 10 years before you do. And they they will they've already discussed if at this point the AI will create bespoke medication for you. It'll create a pill specifically designed just for you to stop that cancer from happening. And as someone who rejected warp speed, I'm going to reject that, too. Uh, but I'm not anti- tech. I'm And I I'm not anti- AI. Like, I think there just needs to be ethics in how we use these tools. Unfortunately, the people in have no ethics.

You know what they're going to do? When this technology rolls out and you'll get, you know, one of these big AI companies saying, "We now have the ability to comm to create bespoke medications to treat cancer with a 60% success rate." Then you go on your show, Shane, and you're like, "We should not be doing this." You're going to be walking out one day and someone's going to heart attack gun you not to kill you to give you cancer.

Yep. Then you're going to get a serious cancer and one of these guys is going to say, "I know you've been very critical, but I want to save your life." And they're going to get you to go on TV and be like, "Thank you for saving me."

I've had that nightmare actually of like Elon uh paralyzing me on purpose. But but like he just shows up with a baseball bat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not even like fun with lasers or anything. It's just

I saw Oracle I saw in Zero Edge once like Oracle was taking out $50 billion in bonds. Well, he's that guy's evil, man. And uh and I'm just like, well, you're taking out $50 billion. What What are you What are you going to do with these debt? Like, how are you actually going to monetize it? And that's why it seemed to me when going back to the chat GPT, which is I think eventually government's going to have to bail this stuff out somehow and figure out what they're thinking.

So, there there there's a movie where a guy gets a brain implant. I don't know if you've seen it. I don't remember what it's called. you you should watch this. Yeah. Um maybe the some of the Discord knows. So he gets uh he's in a car with his wife or something. The car crashes. A guy walks up, kills his wife, and then puts the gun to his neck and severs his spinal column so that he's paralyzed. And then this ultra rich guy is like, "I can give you a brain a chip in your neck that will allow you to control your body again and walk again." And he gets it. And then spoiler, it turns out the the tech billionaire is actually being controlled by the AI and forced to do all these things and he's a slave and the AI wants a human body to be able to traverse reality. Where they now the guy gets this implant. The movie is actually pretty fun, but then he finds out he's actually a slave and he's the robot the AI is doing whatever it wants with his body, right?

Yeah. So it's like the modern day version of the deal with the devil.

Yeah. Kind of. I think a lot of this you think you're getting a deal but you're not.

Demonic. Yeah. I think a lot of this is demonic stuff. I do think there's a really funny skit to be made where Elon uh he needs neural link test subject so he goes around with a with an aluminum bat. Yeah. Yeah. And a mask just crippling people.

He converted his biggest critic, you know, and like oh man, I'm not I'm not getting it. I'll you know, I talked to these people with the in wheelchairs and they tell me about the brain bridge. I'm like, no, reject it. But

What's the brain? It's like another something else they're building. I forget exactly how it worked. I had a few people call in about it. Well, the the the idea is to um to create a a a conductor that can just transmit the signals from one part part to the other and bypass the damage or the scar tissue.

And I think that's the general idea with Neurolink, but of course Neuralink goes to your brain as well and has interface capabilities. I never I was talking to Nolan Arbar, the first person to have the Neurolink, and uh we were going to a story, didn't work out. I think Elon killed that. But anyway, uh he is messaging me on Twitter and it took me like a week to realize, oh, he's not using his hands, you know? He's just thinking these things and they're showing up on the screen. Uh it was wild.

Was he trying to advocate in favor of it? Nolan loves it. Yeah. I mean, but like a lot of these crazy new technologies um that have a lot of good and a lot of bad, they always have some weird religious aspect to it. Uh and so he called his Eve. You know, a lot of these a lot of you see that pop up in so many of these technological advancements. They're named Eve or the apple, you know, obviously even though it's a fruit in the Bible. I know. Um but you see it all the time. But he's a Christian, you know. So

The apple, dude. Yeah. I mean it's everywhere. It's everywhere.

Apple of knowledge. It's everywhere. The fruit of knowledge and that's what we have you know with the phones.

So what would what would the tree be?

The tree uh of knowledge. You mean the tree would be the data centers?

I think I think uh that the the AI might be the beast. I think these guys who's the antichrist? I don't think it's Peter Teal.

No, I don't think I think Peter Teal is a wishes he was. You get what I mean? Just because he has a a soft sheen of blood that oozes out of his skin doesn't mean he's Antichrist. I think he's a foot soldier for demons and uh he creates things that are all that are very anti-human while saying it's going to help humanity even though they whatever. I don't think

What are What are the levels of demons, Ian? Do you know? Mhm. There's like lesser demons.

There are that's the Solomon, the book of Solomon. Solomon did a book. I was talking about Dungeons and Dragons. Uh I don't know. There's nine levels of hell. Nine nine levels in D and D. I don't know. But that's Yeah. There's so many theologies that absorb, you know, Dante's Inferno or Paradise Lost. Um there's different kinds of There's like uh

Well, like I I go to the pagan tradition where demons aren't all evil. Like that's your problem right there. Some demons, pretty big problem. They're more about entities that behave in certain ways depending on how you treat them. So like if you do it wrong, if if like a demon comes to you and you say, "Hey, welcome to my house." That that if it's the wrong demon, he might poison your family. where if it's the right demon, he might leave you a bountiful harvest. So, you have to know who the demons are and how they work.

Also, everyone's, you know, it's just not it's like a it's a pet issue of mine is everyone's esquetology is like all off anyway because again, people will spend all day railing on dispensationalism, which is like I I'm not a dispensationalist at all, so I understand. But then they'll talk about the antichrist as if it's like one singular unified intense, you know, being at the end of time. But actually if you like read through John and like sort of the conventional covenant theology understanding is there's lots of antichrist like in John he talks about antichrist in his era which were false teachers and so there's room for maybe an intensified antichrist at the end of time but to truly like take the biblical understanding at least from my perspective again like the covenant theology perspective is there's lots of antichrist all the time against false teachers people that'll derail your life derail your spiritual life etc etc

There are various ways to rank demons in Christian demonology as well as related occult studies. Yeah, there's uh 17 they say the ars goesia.

That's it. The lesser key of Solomon, 72 demons. They're ranked by kings, dukes, princes.

Yeah, I think they were kings, presidents, ears, and knights. They may have actually been people like this, the biblical fight, you know, the biblical story. Uh there are uh seven uh uh greater demons uh Lucifer, Mammon, Asus, Leviathan, Bezabub, Satan, and Belelagore. in the uh in some Christian interpretations, demons just mirror fallen angelic orders. So in terms of the strength and and weight of the demon, it would be similar to how angels have the the chorus or whatever. It's pretty crazy to read about, but um I was just I was bringing that up because I was going to say then like the antichrist is purported to be is presumed to be like one of the greatest, the highest, and when you bring up Peter Teal, it's like he's not that level. He's more like, you know, down.

I think I think whatever is that at that level of evil has no face or name that we know of, you know? Peter Teal just ushers it in. He Peter Teal thinks the Antichrist literally is Greta Tunberg. That's what he says.

I That's ridiculous. So silly. That's partisan. If you're a dumb conservative. Yeah. I know. Hey, here's here's somebody you don't like. Red meat.

Yeah. And that was my point is like, you know, again, people and there's notable people out there that will like rail on dispensationalism, but then they accept the dispensational presupposition of the Antichrist. But if you are to accept that sort of presupposition, then you have to believe that this Antichrist is going to be a, you know, all-encompassing world leader. and they're going to like have a seven-year covenant with Israel and they're going to rebuild the third temple. It's like all this like in my opinion I think it's false. Uh again, the proper

You're talking about Tucker. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Tucker Tucker and I, you know, I like Tucker, you know, I've historically like Tucker at least, but he has this he has this like this like axe to grind at dispensationalism, which I think is true. I do think that dispensationalist does impact our foreign policy, but then he like like presupposes is the antichrist.

Exactly. And I'm like, you know, if you look at like, I don't know, the original reformation, they thought that the antichrist was the pope or the papacy. So it's like you're just presupposing that line of argument, but then so he's like taking little bits of it and then incorporating. I'm like all over esquetology is all wrong. Everyone don't talk about the antichrist unless you like are well read on esquetology on like a proper understanding of postmillennial on premillennialism.

Off subject, Tucker. It's a weird subject for me. Great for I have to tell you I got sober. I've been sober eight years. Eight years. That's awesome, man. Thank you very much. I'm not asking for I'm just telling you. And I can tell you Tucker was one of the most supportive people. Helped me and it didn't necessarily help him or his career. You know, I had a you could watch it on YouTube. I had I I had a little national episode one day.

It's fun to have those. Yeah. It's fun. I I I get them out of my system every years or so. And and and I'm not trying to No, but what I mean is is that when I saw Tucker going down this route and I was talking to Tim about it, I was telling mutual friends of ours, I just said, "This is not gonna end well for him because I know him very well." And it was like me making a bad business decision when after I got fired by uh Donald that I I then tried to fight Donald. I worked for Ted Cruz. You know, I did the stupid things and I was just like, he's going down the Sam Nunberg business model. Sub out sub out Donald, put in Israel and put it and put in, you know, Tucker for me. And it it's sad to see. And he's so obsessed by it. He just can't get over it, you know, but he's such a nice guy. I I could tell you personally like anytime he's promised to do something, anytime I've asked him for something or he's asked me, he's genuinely a sweet guy.

That's what But I think when you look at the the bigger picture, you know, I'm sure Peter Teal has done nice things for a lot of people as well. I know. I know. Of course, I understand. No, I understand. Evil people are capable of doing good for others. And I know it's really complex.

Tucker Tucker's claim that he didn't know what he was doing. Oh, it's bullsh Miriam M like again I bring it every time. Miriam Madison was funding Donald Trump when Tucker was supporting Donald Trump. Tuck Tucker knew exactly what

He was supporting. Okay, look, I sat with Tucker in 2021 and 2022. I mean, I hate to break his confidence. He sat across from me and said, "How do we stop Donald Trump?" Okay, like now I worked for Dantis because I couldn't get rehired by Trump, okay? And I and I mean Dantis, he's such a loser. Like he gave an interview he gave an interview, it really pissed me off. He gives an interview the other day and goes, "The president's asking me why didn't you hit me harder? during the election. Well, it's because I like him. So, you're telling me that the $150 million people gave you and the fact that you make a promise and you and you don't have the webos to go against Donald. I mean, give me a break.

It's hard to have huos when you're in heels. But, uh and and then suddenly he gets fired from Fox. I don't think he should have got fired, but suddenly he gets fired from Fox and and he's all about Donald. It was a business decision to make. It was just a business decision. It was good for clicks. It was good for clicks.

And and that's what's a shame because like, you know, I love Tucker. Like I've I've gained so much. I mean I think during co he really was like kind of the fireside chat guy. Like I remember all the insanity going on in the world and out of all places you would tune into Fox News on Tucker's time slot and it would be like oh finally someone else sees what I'm seeing. But this current arc to Tim's point.

I think it's genuine but it's just slopp. It's just so sloppy. I mean it's so sloppy. And this is why I'm hitting him on the esquetology. I know that like to most people that goes over their heads but again when you're talking about very serious topics like that you have to be very precise. You have to think it out very well. You can't just start throwing that around because again it just completely waters down what you're trying to say and then when you build up a house that you're taking a little bit from here, a little bit from there, a little bit from there, it's going to collapse in on yourself and it's just going to make you look bad. You're going to be the bag holder.

He really he really he really lost me and I'm very disappointed in him because look, disclaimer, my my grandpa my grandparents survived a family gassed in the chambers. I have family that lives in Israel. They fight in the Israeli army. I don't necessarily agree with everything Israel does. nor nor do I think America necessarily has to agree with every step that they do. And that's a and that's a larger uh that's a larger debate. But you can have a problem with Israel. You can say, "Well, America shouldn't support Israel." Now, first of all, the $3 billion, I hate to break it to everyone. It's not Israel that really wants it anymore. You go tell uh Boeing and and North Gam that you're not going to give Israel that $3 billion. Go see what happens. But when you start defending Islam,

Yeah. you start saying that Muslims also believe in Jesus, well, that's news to them. and you start saying like things like, "Well, I'll be with anybody that prays five times a day. Donald Trump's going to be dead when he's in." I mean, give me an effing break.

Like, like it's it's pathetic. It's absolutely it's absolutely pathetic. And and the worst part is people always say to me, "Oh, he's getting paid." I don't think he's getting paid.

He's rich. He's very infinitely wealthy. Yeah. I don't think he's getting paid for this.

And you know, I think he's just gone bad and I'm like badass bat ass to the tea. I think he's just gone crazy.

Yeah. There's two there's kind of two schools of thought right now is is one I mean I don't want to blow up his spot but like you know there are some intel connections that sort of thing so maybe there is a calculation being made among the intel community that's one thing that would take hours to lay out what is Tucker up to. I think the more likely option is yeah he's just having a orientalist phase like four years too late because everyone had this sort of phase you know a few years ago we were like well maybe we are moving to a multipolar world we should just kind of play ball with China and Russia and not antagonize Russia etc etc. Um, but a lot of people have merged out of that a few years ago where he's going through it right now. So, like I still do have a bit of grace. But that kind of rhetoric you're pointing out, I just think is so counterproductive because I've been holding the line the whole time of like, "No, I really only want Christians in office or at least people that are culturally Christian." Um, and people are all vacating this line left and right. I mean, they're they're they're cutting breaks to so many guys. And I'm just like, was everyone just talking this whole time? Like, I feel like I'm one of the only people that's like with the whole Vivvec thing. And I'm like getting, you know, rinsed for this take, but I'm like, what happened? I thought we were like the chest beating Christian nationalists and everything and all a sudden everyone a country of data centers and mosques. That's all we're going to have left by run by H1B Indians.

It's unbelievable. I think Tucker's kind of like I insulated. I don't know if he has anyone around him that will humiliate him to his face and tell him if they think he's being ridiculous. Like he said I was I believe he said that he was literally attacked by a demon that scratched his neck and like what the Okay, I I get that.

You're a reporter, bro. Like what the And then he said a week later he sleeps in a bed with five dogs. I was like that's really

So, like to say you're a Christian is one thing and to put the the label on your chest but like how do you behave? That defines you're a Christian. He he has that interview with Mike Huckabe where they're talking about October 7th and Huckabe says like what would you do if your kids had been kidnapped? He goes well I wouldn't kill a child. And I was just like, let's remove the Israel versus Palestine equation because obviously first people are going to be very biased. But I'm going to go ahead and just say outright like the things that I would do to protect my daughter and my wife uh would put me in prison for a long time. Although I think any honorable society would respect the things that I would do to protect my family.

Liam Niss and Taken. I mean Liam. So my my I'll just put it this way. I think law- abiding citizen was a was a bad movie. Did you guys see it? Yeah. It was bad because Gerard Butler went too quick. Yeah.

Well, and and on the and one more point on the Tucker thing almost to almost to defend him a little bit because this is the same line that a crazy scene. It's Yeah, it's the same it's the same line I used with Trump is you know people are like surprised that Trump's like a Zionist like why I feel betrayed. He's like he's maintained this position for like 50 years now. It's kind of the same thing with Tucker. He actually like said something a few years ago and everyone handwaved it away was when he said you know how could you defend the nuclear bombing of Japan? if you defend that, you're a terrible person. He basically said that verbatim. And when I heard him say that, I was like, that's a weird kind of weird thing to say. That's like 80% of the country, including basically your entire side. So again, when he got onto this arc, I'm like, he always kind of had that shirt.

I knew Japan now for fun. Yeah, just have them laying around. Full disclosure, was like a neocon warhawk in 2007 wearing a bow tie like a goofball. John Stewart humiliated him on camera and then he did some deep soularching, maybe took some mushrooms and came back as like a normal guy. But I and I like Tucker. I like you to your I we've we've hung out. I know you. I mean I I like you, but

Well, he told me he doesn't like you. He's just a guy. You're just a dude, you know, with a I don't like that Ian guy. I'm just kidding. He said he loves you. I think he's got a lot to off I think you got a lot to offer. Um come on the show, man.

Bro, we're not Where is he yet? Well, I'm not going to say his location in the woods. Don't. Yeah, he's far far away. Let me give us coordinates on the show. He's fishing. No, because I don't want to talk about him too much badly.

That goes to a point though. I mean, I don't want to just see you, Tucker, on Megan Kelly. I mean, she she's doing that for click. She's whatever. You know, you run your own. I don't want to cause problems with you with her, but you should go, you know, going Huck could be fine. That was that was a nice step. But go on shows. Yeah. Go on other shows where they're going to ask you about his so much.

Everybody's lying about everything. And this is the difference. Well, this is the difference between Tucker and everybody else that's kind of lumped into this cohort is Tucker. Everyone still likes him. Everyone's more like heartbroken maybe or sad. But he still has so much good grace that if people come on, they're still going to give him the benefit of the doubt. That's the difference between him and like a Candace Owens where Candace Owens, everyone's just like, "Screw this lady."

She's her lawyers work in a building with federal agents. Her family's heavily invested in Tel Aviv and Israel. And the lead council for her defense was was an award-winning Zionist. Like, it's just not real. Tucker put his like I don't know if you'd say he put his career on the line. He put his

Who represented Trump for years. Who represented Trump. I forgot his name. Oh, yeah. I forgot. I will I will add to that according to reports on the internet. Exactly right. You don't want to see some desist from her. I mean, honestly, she she claimed my brother tried to kill me. So,

I want to say something about the antichrist. It's just fake stuff, man. Regarding Christ, I think Christ is a verb because it means anointed, which is a past tense verb. So, like Jesus the Christ. Jesus was anointed. So, he was Christ. He was anointed. So, that means Christ is a verb. It means antichrist. It's like a way of being.

That's not what anyone means. Christ means anointed by I know, but no one means that when they're talking about the Antichrist. They act like it's a noun, but it's not. It's a way of describing what God did. It's a reference to an individual or individuals about what happened to the individual. Yes. But also, no, no, no. There were there. So, in in esquetology, revelation could be either descriptive, predictive, or what what's the third one? It's um uh descriptive, uh predictive, and um uh there's three basically. It's it might be telling us

Claude. Well, we had someone here explain this to us. It could be interpreted some say as telling us what already happened. This story was written specifically about something that had happened with allegory as a warning. It could be uh uh prediction of what will come or it could be an explanation of what happens when. So those are the interpretations uh various different groups take.

Yeah. Well, because like you know the the the um the dispensationalist view on like everything that's going to happen in Revelation, a lot of that comes from Daniel, but the covenant theology view is that that was culminated in Christ's return and then the destruction of the temple in what 70 AD or whatever. So

prescriptive. Yeah. So prescriptive. Prescriptive. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but this is why because like okay, for example, Christ Yes. The Greek word uh is yes, anointed one, but it's also stems from the Hebrew word which was Messiah. So that's how you combine those two. He's the anointed Messiah. Therefore, this is singular Christ is in is in a verb. It's a noun describing Jesus Christ, the son of God who was born in Bethlehem.

It's like the word a verb and a noun. I think the prescript prescriptive meant if uh uh uh this is going to happen. The predictive was if these things occur then these things will occur and the descriptive was these things had occurred. So there are some people that believe that the book of revelation is literally describing what had already happened in the past.

Yeah. that uh uh I don't know the exact I was watching this documentary and it was awesome. Excuse me, but uh again that multiple are true to the point to the point of what antichrist is everyone discussing it is referring to references in the Bible of a particular individual who will do a thing. He'll have a withered arm. He'll have an injured eye. They're not saying your behavior. They're saying here's a person.

No, not everyone is saying here's a person. I mean we were just talking about most groups people that embody an individual individuals and you're trying to make it sound like antichrist refers to a behavior of random people. That's why not r I mean it's a way that many people can act that will I believe that Christ in any indication is referring to a singular person which was Jesus Christ. You said that the antichrist may be a resurgence of different people throughout time. There have been many antichrist. No, that's no that's a popular belief and but but typically it's that various points in the Bible it refers to the false shepherd and some people think it's all pointing in one direction. Some people think it's referring to a handful of people. Not like anyone can just be one that it happened or that maybe if someone does something it will cause it to happen or that it's coming.

No, that's revelation in terms of the antichrist. It could be an individual where when they say false shepherd or the beast or whatever different terms. Some people think they're all directions pointed at one individual or entity. Others believe it's referring to like a different people who may have done these things. Those are the two divides. The dispensationalist view is that it's going to be a singular personal antichrist who's this world leader, etc., etc. The covenant theology view is off of first and second John where he's talking about you have false teachers. There's multiple antichrists which does lead credence to yes, it could be describing something more behavioral than like a singular. Could you imagine a dozen Peter Teals all running around? There are people who say the Antichrist is they're talking about Nero, you know.

Yeah, exactly. I I think it's we're talking about something in the future. And I just to take it to the UFO stuff, I think a lot of this UFO stuff is part of end times deception. Do you So the pastors that story you saw where they said that they were brief briefed by the government. They were

Do you believe that? Well, we we don't know what those meetings are. We're going to have one of these guys come on, but in the event it did occur, the the theory is that the government is trying to get them to to basically ditch Christianity. Mhm. They're saying, "Oh, it's actually aliens." That way, the pastors will go, "I guess I can't be Christian anymore."

Yeah. It's crazy if you That's how your pastors act and that's ridiculous if that's the case. But I They're all calling it out. I mean, I I saw Tony Merkel talking about he's been on the show with us before. He's been on my show. He's great. I've done his show. Um, and he says he's known he knows people who are in those meetings. Uh, he swears they're not like CIA connected. My interpretation from a distance is that it's some form of Operation Mockingbird, but directed at pastors. um doesn't mean they're actually CIA or affiliated, but that they're being used to help uh like massage this new idea into the Christian zeitgeist that you have to accept this new narrative of UFOs and extraterrestrials.

And you know the next step after that is after they get all the pastors and they're like, "So here's aliens." One of the stories that apparently actually let me pull this up. This is I I want to get into this. This is uh from Newsweek. Eric Berles accepts apology over pastor's alien inventing Jesus comments. This is wild. So apparently this dude Larry Raglin said very well-known congressman from Missouri called into a private meeting for pastors adding on speakerphone form that sitting powerful member of Congress said they're preparing to tell us that they are from another dimension that they are our creator that these beings these aliens whatever you want to call them they were the ones that seated us here there's no such thing as God Jesus was invented by them the Bible was invented by them Eric Berles said I would remind people to listen to what I've already said publicly which is based on the following. I do not know what the strange objects in the skies are. I certainly do not know their origins. I was asked to call on phone to a conference meeting of theologians. I could not tell you what was at the meeting because I was not there and did not hear much of what was said. When I had a chance to speak, I expressed my views. That is that we as Christians tend to get dug into our personal worldviews even if they have nothing to do with what has actually been written in the Bible. And I think that's actually he's he's right because we always get these images in media of like a red horn demon guy in the fires of hell dancing around the pitchfork which is not in the Bible and it's just like a trope that it's like a derivative a corruption of a derivative of corruption of Dante's inferno or something because as you all know the low circle of hell it's ice not fire but uh this is uh uh interesting because

what this guy Raglin was saying in trying to imply that Berles was claiming the aliens created Jesus. This this is I I'm wondering if Congress is trying to shatter Christianity, right? So, you use the UFO disclosure stuff. You go to a bunch of pastors and say, "I'm a government official with classified information. Here's evidence, aliens, not God." And try and shake their faith so that they eventually, you don't need to get them to convince. You don't need to convince them overnight to say God's not real or whatever, but you shake their confidence. What's going to happen when they go before their congregations and they're they're in doubt?

Well, what's happening here is all these pastors that they've cited are non-denominational pastors. These are pastors with like zero institutional oversight. And so that's why these guys I think are being targeted because again, and I'll say this, if you have a pastor or a priest giving up for a sermon, homaly, etc., uh and he's speaking on revelation like decisively, zero zero doubt, 100% certainty. You should be a little skeptical because every pastor or priest again that I've heard when they that are good when they preach on Revelation is they're sweating the entire time because again, it's like there's so much there it takes years. There's guys that study Revelation for a living and there's still question marks. So again, it's a very complex book. And so again, I think that's why these guys specifically are being targeted because they might have the propensity to deliver the truth to their congregations because again, there's zero institutional oversight. There's zero consulting with house intellectuals or other pastors, priests, etc. Disclosure is aimed at eroding Christianity. All of this, all of this is Christians under attack because Christians are the the last ditch effort of like actual dissenting opinion. And they learned that during COVID when a lot of Christians said no, a lot of them also said yes and didn't have church. But they have to ingratiate themselves into the Christian uh community and get them on board with this, which I think is fraudulent. You know, there's different ways we can look at it, but and obviously I believe in a spiritual realm, but it's like why do we have animal plane of Luna talking about Book of Enoch now? And it's just it seems very uh like it was written by AI.

Remember that that book that I think they made a movie or a TV show about it where aliens come to Earth? Mh. And they don't contact humans for like a few years, but everyone knows they're there and then a few years later they come down and they all look like demons. Yeah. Childhood's end or something like that. Yeah. And this is the issue with like fitting aliens into Christianity is because again if you go through the Bible, if you look at Adam's original sin, the fall that was a curse on all of creation. So that means that no matter where you are in the universe, you are now a victim of the curse. And we know this because the curse was extended to animals, right? He said, "Okay, well snakes, you're losing your arms. You lost arms and legs privileges. You got to crawl around your belly or whatever." Um the problem is that when the mediator was sent, right, Christ, he was explicitly sent for mankind, for human beings. So that would mean that again human beings now have a mediator between God which is Christ. They now have a pathway to heaven. But it was specific for humans. That's specific in the scripture. So if there are aliens, these are people that are fallen that are under you know this this creationwide curse with zero possible mediation between you know whatever their spec species is and God. And the entire Bible is earth ccentric. The you know Genesis primarily is talking about humans. It's talking about earth and that sort of thing. So that's why I would say the popular Christian belief would be that there are no aliens. It would be basically impossible because again you would have seen any mention in it whatsoever in scripture. Um and that is why it would shake a lot including my own. I I'll say decisively it would be it would raise some question marks if there truly were extraterrestrials because there's so many now theological implications involved if

like references to fallen angels. Right? So that's where people kind of like uh kind of lasso kind of shepherd's hook in if there is extraterrestrials is they chalk it up to say well these are angels and demons that that is typically the the workaround. I'm not saying that disparagingly. I'm saying that is the theological work.

The reason I say that is because I was talking to my I mean I was talking to my father this morning about it and and he's religious and and I was and uh I was basically saying yeah this is just an attack on Christianity. I mean that the government they're concerned about how Christians are going to accept this. You know also I don't hear them so concerned about Islam, right? What what a uh what a coincidence. And my father said, "Well, you know, how is this inconsistent if I mean there's mentions of weird thing, you know, that's what that's you know, that's

it just depends how they're doing because there's people who are out there claiming they're Christians and I think their theology is bad and they're saying that this is outside of aliens. I mean, outside of angels and demons that there's other Yeah, that would just

Well, I think that is ridiculous. Or Bob Lazar? Yeah. Yeah. I don't really take He says that they gave him a file. Yeah, I think I I know his stories stay the same for throughout the years. I think a lot of these people are used. They don't know that they're being used.

And the point is is that I think he's used to and um but he says he was put in. So let's just say for argument sake he's not lying and this actually happened. Now he was being used but let's just say they gave him a file to explain where these things came from or something like that. He talks about how they were explaining how we I don't know. So I can't I I don't listen to it because it means nothing to me really. But that they had given him something along that lines to talk about spirits or things or things like that. So I think that that's part of the government's you know whatever they're trying to do. Annie Jacobson's made claims that I don't even know if I believe in her claims anymore, but she wrote a book about Area 51 and one of her sources told her that he saw the government taking uh children that had Down syndrome and turning them into what looked like extraterrestrials during the Cold War to scare the Soviets.

What? you know, so surgically altering them, altering them. And this is this is possible. And this is why it's difficult because like, okay, it's in Psalms, they describe humans as vice regions, right? That means that we are sort of the shepherds, not shepherds, but the sort of inkeepers, so to speak, of God's kingdom on earth. And then I like um uh John Calvin said, you know, this is the theater of God's redemption, right? Earth is a theater of God's redemption. Well, this is what CS Lewis constantly got hit on. I love C. to death. But this is bad theology. He always got hit on is if you read his space trilogy, he the entire predication of these extraterrestrial beings in the space trilogy is that they're unfallen, right? They're just completely outside of this covenant that exists between God and his people. And people always hit him on that. They said, "Dude, this is just an indication that you like haven't thoroughly read the scripture." If I mean, you could chalk it up to it's purely fiction, but again, that was a way that people always hit CS.

I never thought that he believed it like that. Right. Exactly. So, you know, you could say, "Well, he didn't believe it." But that to be said, that just shows that the popular overwhelming view among Christians is that aliens are just fundamentally incompatible with the the gospel. It might be that humans are fallen a spirits like fallen and that we're slowed down. We are spirits that have slowed down to manifest in this three-dimensional realm because from my experience, the angels and the demons, the spirits are not God. And if you speak with the humble ones, they'll tell you. They'll even they even find it funny that other spirits will lie to you and pretend to be God. They don't know what God is exactly, but they're adherent to it as well. But like the whole idea of fallen, I'd think of it less as like coming down from above and coming out from within slowly like like coalescing.

Bro, what if when you take DMT and you break through the veil, it's the afterlife and the entities you're seeing are actually just people who have, you know, it felt like heaven. It felt that warm love just felt. But it's whatever you because that's why they train like the Egyptians would train people to go to the afterlife before they die because if you're afraid when you go into that realm it will be hell.

Yeah. I I I do think I mean you know this is has no biblical backing whatsoever. Take this with a grain of salt. But um I will say like I had like I got knocked out really bad. I used to box and I got knocked out really bad. And when I was out you did feel this like warmth, comfort, like total peace whatsoever. I think anyone that got knocked out like pretty bad can relate to that. And I do think that that might be an indication of sort of the unshackling from the I mean obviously this is completely incompatible scripturally but to a degree maybe gives you a glimpse into what that sort of feeling will be like again once we're sort of liberated from the shackles of of the curse that was put upon us by by Adam's sin or like when you're when you're asleep but you're awake you're trying to get up you know that it's a weird feeling.

It's so weird when you're knocked out because you're conscious but then you wake up and don't remember what it was when you were knocked out. But I do recall like yeah, you just feel like you can see scenes and and and you're at peace and like unbelievable comfort in that sort of thing. It's a very strange thing. I've never ever taken drugs. I never will. I'm very straight edge in that regard. But um I have heard people say something similar, but I've also heard some people say, "Well, I took drugs like Aaron Rogers and I saw this like Hatman." And I'm like, "Well, you just saw a demon. Maybe when you when you got knocked out, your body flooded DMT like as a defense mechanism." Yeah, I'm sure there's a chemical explanation that might be. or DMT is a molecule that acts like an antenna which broadcasts or receives information when it reconfigures your brain.

Yeah. For the record, anyone watching my show and depending on my political analysis. As far as I understand, I did not sustain any brain injuries from this. But I could if I ever get the judge of that if I get a take horribly wrong, chalk it up to that. I'm John Federman. Again, I just want to say also about the UFO stuff. Um the messaging is so ridiculous out of the administration and not just the administration but like all everyone in in government like the Pentagon just last year was allegedly caught in a lie. There was all the headlines all these headlines about the Pentagon lying about alien life forms to cover up for like Loheed Martin technology. So like that's a story floating out there. You know Elon who runs all of he has a big defense contractor runs all the Starling satellites multiple times has said he's never seen any evidence of extraterrestrial life. You think he would know uh this guy who wants to colonize Mars and meanwhile in a plain Luna and Burles and Bett Burchett saying he thinks actually Jesus might have died for aliens like that's I think ridiculous

said that what if uh what so so what what if this child trafficking is uh they're kidnapping people to use for experimentation. Oh, I 100% believe they're doing that. We know they're doing that. I mean, because ranch so we know that the Japanese unit I always forget the name. Yeah 731 they they would like they stuck a guy's hand outside to freeze and then pulled it and hit with a hammer. Terrible. They're not going to stop doing this stuff. And we gave them amnesty to give us all that information. And actually a lot of what we know about hypothermia comes from their inhumane. So, uh we're not going to stop doing that. And if we want to do genetic experiments like I'll put it this way. Does anybody actually think the US is not doing human hybrid genetic experience? Of course they are. They have to be because China is. We already there's already been disclosed information about China's super soldier program. They're trying to create Captain America, but Captain China, Captain CCP, I guess.

Yeah. So, I think it's very likely that the US military kidnaps kids because actually we'll bring it to pop culture. Uh you watch The Boys. You seen The Boys all the time? Yeah, I watch. The general idea is the Nazi scientists created a chemical compound that can give a person superpowers. But adults you like it'll kill you if you're an adult and you inject it. And so in the story they go to parents and say sign these classified documents. You can never say anything. We'll pay you a ton of money and we're going to inject your baby. That way the baby grows up and develops the powers or whatever. They have to experiment on kids if they're like if they're doing genetic mutation stuff. If you're trying to see if you can alter genetics, adults are already grown. They're not going to change all that much. They're actually just dying.

So, I I I believe it's very likely that they never stopped. Yeah. You know, about like our government and Quaker Oats together were feeding secretly radioactive oatmeal to children. Oh, I think I heard that. Like that's insane. We've done all these remember in SF when they sprayed the bacteria over Operation C spray. They've done it in the city. They fill it with the subways with bacteria. Uh, I think they're doing it now. I mean, they're spraying glyphosate over all the forests are saying. And Trump's like, "Glyphosate so good. It's the best week ever." That was crazy. That's un 731 of the sky, you know? It's It's crazy. But I do think that and like Zoro Ranch with Epstein, if we believe the emails that he was writing about Zoro Ranch, like he's funding all these scientists to do like chimeic sort of eugenicist uh behavior, scientist experiments. And there's these emails and like he wants to purchase children. The first day that Epstein files came out, the first thing I covered on my show was the fact that the that Turkey was investigating human trafficking of tens of thousands of kids missing to Epstein after the earthquake in the '90s, which then makes people think like Haiti, those rumors in Haiti. What if Epstein was actually just giving children for experimentation to various black operations and corporations?

Oh, I think he was, dude. I I really think he was. Also, there's an alien connection with Epstein because William Bar's father wrote that crazy space opera about aliens at human traffic children and he published that the year before he hired Jeffrey Epstein to work at that school in the city. It's a crazy thing. I'm actually fairly fond of the chicken coupe theory. Yeah. Fermy's paradox is the simple version. If the universe is so big and you know life is common, why haven't we encountered it? And one of the hypotheses is that we're effectively a chicken coupe. We're pending. We are laborers, stupid monkeys that, you know, harvest metals and make plastic for the aliens. So, imagine um you know, let's say you did copper wire and well, we got to make it, right? Imagine there was an animal that just made copper wire and then left it lying around. We'd we'd love those animals. We'd be like, "Put them in a pen, get the copper wire, and we'll use it." That's what we do with chickens. So the theory is that we are penned in by aliens because they can come and discreetly harvest either children for food or whatever or take raw materials we produce in excess and they don't got to do the labor themselves.

I agree. Like a the way a petri dish grows when you splatter it with bacteria or mold like all these little pockets start. Is that what you do for fun? What's that? Is that what you're doing for fun? For fun. No one's surprised by anything happening in the universe is that there's this theory of panspermia that there was an ejection of like matter and like spores and then they hit the planets with with an ocean tide with with a moon and they start to grow all over like the universe is a petri dish. We're each of our cultures, each of our homminid things are expanding in synchronicity with other ones and we're being controlled or influenced by the aliens. And I think what the aliens are, I'm in here thinking about this that they're actually they figured out the way to project just like we have internet video and we can project ourselves across the universe, they also can into our thoughts. They they figured out how to appear as these like vibrational light beings, but they're actually somewhere doing it that they're real people.

Yeah. I I mean, I just swap out alien for demon in my interpretation of this and that they are people possessed by evil. Epste being one of them. Like the Epstein files are so fascinating to me and terrifying because it's actual evidence of organized ancient evil. He even talks about working for the Rothschilds. I don't think that the Rothschilds are even the top of the list, right? I think there's faceless, nameless things, entities above that control this stuff. The Rothschilds, we know, you know, funded both sides of the Napoleonic wars. But that conversation is what's spilling out of the Epstein files. Whether he's talking to Bannon, whether he's talking about Well, he lied. That's what Wexler said. Wexler, you talking about the Rothschilds. Yeah. In terms of what Epstein said he was an employee for said he was. We can't curse it, right? Look, I I you know, I think I think Jess Epstein is just a complete con artist. I'm not sure. I just think that he was a guy who stole money from people. I You don't think he was like a human trafficker and uh into weird experience? I don't know. I don't know. I that that part I don't know. So So that part I don't know. But what I also but but for instance the the thing is he used to I know reporters that he called right before he killed himself and he said well I didn't know that these women were underage the ones he actually got busted. Yeah. Yeah. And that's BS because he sent Maxwell out to the uh Oh yeah. They were procuring he went to camps in like uh Minnesota or something. Yeah. And I'm not here to defend him and and wouldn't surprise me if he was or he wasn't. But what but the idea that the thing that the thing that I don't think the thing that I don't understand is when this administration I mean the problem was to put Bondi at the head of it but I mean without without Trump this this piece of crap would still be alive and he wouldn't have been prosecuted.

Yeah. I mean I think he's alive honestly. I think I think he's in I think the probability is that he's more likely to be alive than dead. Like you saw the suicide note recently that's weird. So, so ridiculous. Did you guys We We actually had it pulled up. We were going to get get into it on the show and we never actually did. I'm going to pull this up. What was that guy's name that was in his cell? Nicholas Tartaglon. I've been on the show talking about him. I was covering that story for 10 years before he was even Jeffrey Epstein. Let let me let me just read this. It looks like Drake's album cover. If you're reading this, it's too late. Right. Look it up. So, check it out. On July 23rd, a guard responded to a body alarm in the housing unit and found a semi-conscious epson on the floor. According to Tartagleon, he who was interviewed, he said he was sleeping on the floor when something touched his foot after removing his headphones and taking off a sheet covering his bed. He found Epstein sitting on the floor of the cell with his eyes open. Tertagleion called his name several times without response, causing him to bang on the cell door to the guards. An unnamed guard removed Epstein from the cell, reported that Epstein accused Tartagleon of trying to kill him.

Tertagleon is the one who said he found the suicide note in a in a graphic novel. My opinion of what actually happened, uh, he tried to kill Epste. Yes. It was supposed to be a suicide. Mhm. He does whatever he's supposed to do. Then says to Epstein, "Jeffrey, Jeffrey." He doesn't respond. Thinks he's dead. Okay. Bang, bang, bang. He killed himself. Epste comes too. Crap. That's what it sounds like. Now, I don't know for sure. I don't accuse anybody of any wrongdoing. I don't know. Right. Do Did you read the part where Tartagleó had a cell phone randomly in the cell the day before the the beating happened? Alleged beating. Also, Tartagleó's story of he is in jail because he murdered four men in a drug deal gone bad. He's a former cop who was dealing coke and a bodybuilder and those men went missing where I used to like near where I work. That's why I knew the story. His history as a cop is also extremely violent. He beat up reporters for like talking about corruption amongst them and he got a huge payout. They say he's like mob connected. I think he was put in that cell. Let's let's let's add in the disclosures they said that the uh the prison created a fake body stuffed into a fake into a body bag to trick reporters which makes no sense if they did that.

If they did that they did do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and there's photos of it. They said they took was towels and boxes and stuff in a body bag to make it look like a body was coming out when it wasn't. Then you've got before the news broke of Epstein's death, a guard saying they're swap or someone not a guard, someone posted on a 4chan they're swapping him out. The FBI investigated and the investigation led to one of the guards. So it sounds like a guard went to 4chan and said they're swapping out Epstein. Then officials at the at the at the prison stuffed the body bag with garbage to make it look like a body and then and and then left. And then people have long pointed out the body that went into the hospital did not look like Epstein. And here's the here's the crazy thing. Why stuff a fake body into a body bag if the reporters are already at the hospital taking pictures of the body going in? None of that adds up. Saw the video being off. That was a critical incident. I mean, come on.

No, none of it makes sense. I'm not saying I know. I'm not saying I know. I think the probability he's still alive is actually pretty good. My My lawyer represented me for the Mueller and the other investigations. He was in the jail that week and uh and I was talking to him and uh he said to me, I saw Epste, man. This is what he said to me. He said, "I saw Epstein. He's going to kill himself." I said, "What do you mean?" He goes, "I've been around these jails for a long time." He had that look in his eye. That now that was just my look. And that suicide note was found by the suicide note is like, "I'm a Democrat hoax if you find this."

With that said, you read his emails, the guy's like dyslexic when you read. Well, a lot of those emails were translated through a machine that added a lot of weird symbols, which which uh inadvertently put me uh in the Epstein emails. And did he? Yeah, an accident because it said uh the it said time pool in a sentence and the machine removed the e and now now it says Timool sue but but what I'm saying though with the Rothschilds saying is like the Rothschilds are we know about a lot of manufacturing of wars and a lot of conversations in the Epstein files were about how they manufacture wars extract wealth from dying nations that they're emailing each other about that whether it was the guy from Barclays whether it was Bannon or one of the thousands of emails between him and Peter Teal and treating us talking about the chicken theory, treating us like just just create a war. They'll be distracted.

There were a lot of emails between Teal thousands. Oh, there are. They were because he was on Rogan show. Did you ever see that? Oh, I watch everything. Trying and they're trying to get Epstein on Rogan or was it was it No, no, he tried to get he tried to get out ahead of it. So, he said, "I only met with Epstein once. I shouldn't have met with him about lied. Elon lied." Like, it's all on all sides, you know? Uh I think Epste, you know what

I think? I think people there's a kind of person who wants power and they don't care where they get it from. Of course, they don't they don't care what Epstein is accused of. Their their attitude, you know, look at the uh the animal farm thing, right? A lot of uh a lot of people. So, animal angel far, you know, heard. Yeah. A lot of these people just took the money. They didn't care. They didn't care if it was bad for the book, if it was bad for the tradition or if it was bad for capitalism, whatever. Pay me.

I think there's a lot of people who were just like someone says Epstein wants to meet with you and you're like, I don't care. He's a he's put out statements literally saying that. Like, we just needed money for whatever startup we had. This is how deals are done. This is what I'm told by people. Pedophile offered you money and you said sounds good to me. All the people hang out with him post conviction. I'd say that's a huge issue. And that's all these people. That's all these people.

We're we're going to grab uh some questions from the Discord. So if you guys want to start getting those questions in while we're complaining about uh the elite Epstein class and all that stuff. So get your questions in now and then we'll we'll jump to a second. Like United States uh what the guy from the Clinton administration who was the president of Harvard, Larry Summers. Oh yeah. And he's asking for like love advice. Money. He got money. love advice, poetry, book funding. Give him an office. He had an office at the college. Oh, nice. Nice. He was involved.

What's What's the worst Epstein conspiracy? That like he's blackmailing world leaders, raping and kidnapping children or that he's serving Malik. I think all of it. I think it's all connected. No, I think I think all the governments went to him for help. who's kind of a middleman for everyone like just like Glenna Maxwell's dad was for whether you say Israel, America or Eastern European, they all went to him and he tried getting money from the end.

You know, I had to look into this because uh Virginia good three. She worked at Mara Lago. So remember, I'm working Trump, right? And this this is all over the news and it's all in 2014. Plus, we wanted to use it against Bill Clinton. Oh wow. Okay. And um so first of all, I spoke to him. been on the record about this and he said I kicked his ass out and you know he did I kicked his ass out. It's all documented. Y um and he was completely transparent with me about it. I mean there were other things and and that for instance I would never ask him about his finances and if I did I would probably be you know it wouldn't be a good smart idea when I worked for him. But he was this was like oh this is ridiculous. This is nothing. That guy's a low life and and I believe him. And um the point the the point of the matter is is that though I couldn't believe the more I looked into Epstein, the fact that Bill Clinton Mhm. was just, you know, going on his plane and this and then the and then the pictures that came out and we had heard uh we had heard from the National Enquirer that these picture that there are even worse pictures out there. Oh yeah. Than were even released. Three million more files allegedly. They haven't even released. And and the idea that Bill Clinton only got like uh he was only in the jacuzzi with the women. I mean I mean I listened to their uh testimonies. It was him and Hillary. It was ridiculous.

It's you know it's just uh I think he was a a fixer. Mhm. Powerful people around the world wanted whatever they wanted and it was illegal and hard to get. That's why that email about him getting antibiotics for Bill Gates over those Russian hookers. Yeah. This is this is the thing. It's like you're Bill Gates. You you get an STD from hookers. Your wife you accidentally give it to your wife. You go to Epstein and say, "Get me the illicit drugs." No one can find out. Yeah. And he he was like he got people connected, too. Like the Eud Barack from Israel leaving his post needing a job at Palanteer. So that's like And there's an audio recording of that. Set him up, you know.

I think I think uh Abs was probably a low a low-level guy in this whatever is going on. Oh, so I forgot I had a break. So I look I had heard that he got the sweetheart deal because he had done work for the United States Treasury throughout the years um trading against other currencies. That was the reason why he was considered a government asset and I heard that from a reliable source. I just I don't I'm just telling you about when he was in Florida. I want to make this point. He's not the boss. Oh yeah. I don't think so either. He was he was the mid-level manager. Yeah. Yeah. And so the powerful people, you know, some of these billionaire guys, we know who gave him properties, they he's he's the manager who runs it. Like we just forgot that Les Wexner was told like by his lawyer, you know, whisper in his ear, if you say one thing, I'll kill you. And that's insane. And he just lets him steal a billion dollars. A billion dollars. If you what if you answer anything longer than 5 seconds again or something like that, you threaten them. Yeah. And then everyone laughs and it's like Yeah. Yeah, we're going to grab your guys' questions. Let's let's let's get to the Discord over here. Let's see what we got going on.

All right. Kevin Adele says, "Do you think Tucker will endorse Newsome or AOC for president because of the Iran war?" I do, and then he'll become the most popular progressive in America. Uh, I think he I I I I'm starting to agree with a lot a little bit that a lot thinks he's going to run, but it's because he made a comment on his show about maybe running. And if you look at what he's doing, he's he's positioning positioning himself for the for the right populist position. I'm not sure that's the position though. Even I look uh I actually he had me plant articles for him uh when he was at Fox about should he run in 2024 uh after this ele you know during the 2020 election and I he asked me do you think I'd be a good candidate? I said I think he'd be terrible. I think he'd just be a terrible candidate. I um he may want to run. I you know my understanding is that uh his wife wants him to run too but I but I I think it would be I I wouldn't be worried about it. for instance, like I like Tucker. I'm not voting I'm not voting for him. I support JD Vance and um I don't I don't vote for him. I would never vote for him either. Okay. He was created he was created in a Palunteer lab. Uh you know Oh, that's that's not fair. Yeah, that's not fair. They're called genetic alteration facilities, not labs. JD Vance is a chimera. I think so. Yeah. I I don't I don't trust him. He seems like a used car salesman to me. Uh he says things I think he thinks people just want to hear. Um and there's nothing authentic about him to me at all. I'm never but I've never been a fan. Same way I feel about Vake. You know that I just see the way he's been operating in the White House. And as somebody who is more of a war hawk myself, I like the fact that he's prudent. Um I think that he's he's been effective uh much more when I compare it to Mike Pence previously. These these are uh issues for me on governance, let's say, and and getting the agenda through uh to the best of the abilities of the Senate. With with that said, I also have a lot of uh I have a lot of respect for um although I don't know how much respect I should have because he was against Tim Waltz, but the fact of the matter is his performance in that debate when he was just going right back with kindness at those. He's great at talking. That's I call him I call him hillbilly Obama. Okay. Cuz he's just like he's just like Obama. Like just something about seems fraudulent.

Let's grab some more. We got Warrior 4588 says, "Thoughts on Ukraine ceasefire?" Ceasefires don't mean anything these days. I don't know. We'll see. Two more weeks and be over. You know, I would love to see all blow something up and they'll be like, "It was your fault." No, it was your fault. I think I think it shows Russia the fact that they actually asked for this so they could celebrate something. I mean, they really are pretty, you know. Well, you know, Mother's Day's around the corner. Yeah, exactly. We need a day off. Russians want to start moving their weapons into Iran. I don't know. Putin out of this one, you know. I mean, that would be pretty funny if like Russia announced a ceasefire then starts moving troops and weapons to the border. And well, Ron said their missile stockpiles are at 120%. Who knows if it's true, but

James Not a Fed Vitus says, "Now that the UFO files are out, what's going to happen this weekend that the UFO files will distract us from? Iran war going to ramp up this weekend?" Uh, might be something related to Hunter Biden again. Every time he'd be in the news, it'd be like, "Aliens are real." Although now he doesn't really matter. He was in the news recently, I think. What do they announce? They're not charging him or something. That's nice with something related. It's nice. Millions of dollars in debt and he's living in Europe. Seriously, he's No, they they released these things on a Friday. uh they're it's it's usually because they don't want to have a big impact throughout the week and uh it's a general distraction. It it keeps the it it keeps the more conspiracy-minded people wrapped up with something. But they're also saying this is like the first phase like they kind of did the same thing with Epstein files, but they're saying like there's going to be more and it's going to be life-changing and they're like you're going to make the world on fire, you know? That's what Burchett was saying.

All right, we got dirt board OG says, "With the AI revolution coming, World War 33, can't read it. 11. World War II on the horizon. The fake economy about to fall and aliens possibly taking over the world. When will we get a boony's beanie? When uh when there are companies that make good ones?" Boonies beanie before GTA 6. I mean, actually, we could easily get a boonies beanie and just someone's got to make it. Mhm. Okay, guys. There. It's been said now. Someone will figure it I gotta tell you though, I don't like paying 4 430 a gallon when we're not bombing I the uh I just got to say the new boonies boards that are so right now there's a bunch of boonies boards the it's the full throttle their their cars and uh various vehicles and uh uh but the next one the next series of boards that are coming out for America it's it's the America 250 edition these are these are some of the best boards but one of them is Ian being massacred by the Tim Cast crew it is goodness he's a red coat and we're all standing there and I'm shooting him with a flint lock And he's like, I want it on a mug. So depending on what side you're on, you see either Tim holding the flip line taking it. There's one with a ripped chicken riding a horse carrying an American flag. American. Patriot. Yeah. And so when I saw how good these were, I was like, we got to do a hundred of those. We can't do 50 cuz that's going to sell out instantly. It's hilarious. It's It's awesome. It's a black and gold American flag with a chicken riding a horse, but the chicken's just massively ripped. And then I think the one of Ian getting just massacred by the entire Tim Cass crew shooting him is going to do really well. your your arm and flint lock are parallel to the ground. It looks so good. Yeah. And then everyone else is aiming the musketss at you and you're like h there's no gore, there's no blood, there's no smoke. It's just meant to be artistic with Ian like falling off a bridge holding a saber, I think. Is that what Yeah, you have a saber. It's so good. Anyway, uh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh we got Taylor Lorenz's uh what does it say now? H sleepover says, "Tim, I wanted to call in and ask this yesterday, but I just called in the other night, so obviously I couldn't. This one's for Shane and Tate. I said the devout Christians. How do you, gentlemen, square the impending pole shift theory with God's promise not to flood the earth again?"

I don't believe in the pole shift theory. You don't think it's going to flood? I think that's just an op. I I think we're just being flooded with ops right now to get people so confused and distracted and fighting over everything because I like I said I don't believe in the I don't believe in even those years existing that he says you know the people who believe in the pole shift I don't have an opinion on wondering why you don't like you know they're going back like 10 years you know so like I don't even believe in that the whole premise I don't believe in that it was older than 6,000 years uh yeah I used to never even think about it honestly I just like it's old do you believe that theory that the dark ages never happened well that's interesting theory. Uh I don't know what I believe. I I think that we don't give enough credit. I think modern people, experts, whatever, people writing books about uh the dark ages, they are condescending to a lot of them. I think they were brilliant people there, too. And we kind of like make them out to be like cavemen and we're brilliant, but we're just as barbaric today as humans have always been. But, uh writing went away for a lot of different periods in time after Rome fell. Yeah. And different, uh, you know, places they took over had no writing. So, like history just doesn't make a lot of sense. Isn't it wild that when Rome fell, it was the apocalypse? It was basically civilization collapsed, people went from having indoor plumbing to chucking crap out the window. Yeah. But like even the even like Carthage or or Gaul, they had no written history. So a lot of the history we get from those places is written by the Romans. You know, there's people with Roman, you know, who or Roman experts who say maybe Hannibal didn't even have elephants and the Romans just use that to make their enemies look sick, you know. So yeah, I don't know. I don't believe in the though.

All right. Sir Jackov says, "Fact check, not question." Tim said twice last week, "Texas and California share the same Colorado River. They are two different Colorado rivers." Tim Cast, you have offended this Texan saying I'm drinking the same gay water. That's awesome. Indeed. How dare you? Yeah, you owe me an apology. The same gay water.

All right. Sir Jack says, "If aliens did visit us, they would need warp travel to get here. Given relative uh relativity and mass distances in space, doesn't that mean they'd have discovered practical time travel, wormholes, space-time manipulation? It makes me think of Prometheus and the engineers advanced aliens who came to Earth long ago and engineered humanity. Could we be seeing something similar uh ancient visits and genetic influence?" I'm going to pause you right there, buddy. The uh insinuation, let's let's reframe this. Imagine there was a dog in the woods in the middle of nowhere and he's trying to explain to other dogs. It's not possible for humans to get to them because they would need to have legs that were 10 ft tall so they could run really fast to get here in time. Now, we understand that cars exist and planes exist. And so that's a silly thing to to to argue. When we think about space travel, relativity, and all that stuff, imagine you are just real dumb and the aliens have just discovered something we don't comprehend. For all we know, they travel on the on the on the the flubo network. It's a interdimensional string of vibrating, you know, tubes, a series of tubes, a series of tubes. And we're and we're sitting here being like, in order to get here, they would need to bend spaceime. And they're sitting there going like, bend spacetime? We just flbed here. It's very much. They're like, what does that mean? But like, well, it's when you glux the the flabinator and then you you collab. You're like, I have no idea what that means. If you have a projector on the wall and you're watching this show right now and you see me on your wall, that would be like someone walking room be like, "How did he get over here so fast?" That's true, too. There's a lot of theories amongst the people who believe they were abducted by aliens that they believe a lot of like the grays are actually like avatars for people. Yeah. Yeah. They send them here, so they're not really here, but something is operating on their behalf. Bro, future people theory is starting to pick up steam, too. Yeah. I like this. Yeah. F future people theory is that at some point in the future we develop time travel and we go back in time to interfere with history to guarantee outcomes. And I think that actually makes a lot of sense. That's those people voting on the market. You understand they're time travel. Well, but in in all serious, you wouldn't need to make money off the market. If you could if if in the future we develop time travel, we could literally just be like, "Okay, what should our civilization have right now?" And everyone would vote. we should have um you know more cherry trees. Okay, they go back in time, make something happen, and then instantly in the future everyone's like, "Wow, we have cherry trees." This correlates with a story out of Popular Mechanics yesterday on Twitter that time can move in two directions or can exist in two states at once.

Well, we've known this. The uh the theory is that when the big bang happened, time I should say hypothesis, time expensive, we see in three dimensions the universe expanding. The theory, however, is that there is an equal and opposite time expansion, but we're moving further and further away from it. So, yeah, gravity is affecting it. So, the further away you are, the more different differential. You're not understanding what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that when the big bang happened, imagine imagine if uh uh time were a linear spatial dimension. The big bang happening means imagine a flat plane with a shock wave going off of it. Mhm. Then if you flip it over, you have the upside down as another shock wave going off of it. You're writing the shock wave up. The other shock wave is going in the other direction. As a spatial dimension, it's easy to comprehend. Now imagine time that way. The further we travel through time every day, the further away from the big bang we get. On the inverse is anti-time that flows the other direction. And there are beings that live there. And they live their lives identically to us because it's one and negative one. So they experience the same thing. But to us, if you were to take their anti-time and overlay it over ours, it would be like the movie Tenant, where the person's walking backwards. He's the one guy who understands tenant. You're the one guy. The one guy. I I I've watched it four times. I still can't get it. Yeah. The stack and magic. When you do something, your anti- part did it. That's That's how time And it's actually interesting how magic works. Yeah. Magic works on the concept of time and anti-time overlapping. So in uh the card game Magic of the Gathering uh the the function of the game strategically is like you are a Planaines walker and you are using magic and pulling energy from the ether to fight with another wizard or wizards planaines walkers and uh so you can pull energy from various land to uh uh manip. So, this is somewhat immaterial, but in magic, when you summon a creature, you're pulling energy from the land and then creating a version of that creature from the ether. Just And so, uh, the way the game works is if I, as a player, functionally a wizard, say, I am going to strike Ian with a lightning bolt. I then tap my land for energy and then I declare my spell is being cast. However, the stack in the game, Ian can respond before that happens and have already done something. So after he does it, I respond with what happens before essentially. Yeah. So, it's a stack. So, I say lightning bolt, he says, uh uh, you know, I'll make up a spell. Uh, healing I use real healing salve. Then I say lightning bolt. Healing sal. Lightning bolt. So, I take an action. Then he takes an action that happens before mine. I can take an action that happened before his. So unrelated to anything we're really talking about but fundamentally similar though it's similar to the way time works I think I mean time is not a real thing I was thinking on the drive over here it's it's just motion I mean it's all relative motion everything there there is a hypothesis of anti what you were thinking about on the way here that's awesome so the idea would be this idea is kind of like this if you could freely manipulate and move through time like a spatial dimension and you walked to the big bang you would go through a hole and come on the other side continually walking and there's two there's two timelines going like this. Mhm. So, this is our timeline going forward. But when the big bang happened, another timeline went the other direction. Do you think we live in alternate timelines? Like I always I kind of think I kind of figure sometimes I think where what's the other timeline of me where I didn't screw X up and what's that person doing now? That alternate probably multiverse. Uh if if the multiverse is true, then imagination is just uh visions of alternate realities. We are uh out of time though. So, it's been great uh hanging out with you guys. Motion, that's the question. We're out of time. I'm looking for So, smash the like button, share the show with everyone. You know, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. It's been great, sir. Do you want to shout anything out? Uh, thanks for having me. You follow me at Numbberg Sam. And, uh, this is really off my bucket list. Tim, thanks again. Yeah, thanks for coming. Awesome. It was pleasure to be back. Uh, you can follow me online at Shane Cashman. real quick wanted to say that it is amazing that the story of portals to Waffle House has now made its way up to Trump who says I don't know anything about teleportation. Uh but you can catch the show uh I host every Monday through Thursday, Inverted World 10:00, YouTube and Rumble.

There Okay, I got I got to mention this. There was a post on Reddit that predates the Waffle House portal thing. Oh wow. There and and the post was a hypothetical superpower where you could teleport but only to Waffle Houses. And so when I was researching the story, I found a post from like two years ago and it was like you have the uh it was some kind of subreddit where it's like a hypothetical where you have the ability to teleport but only to waffle houses like would you? And I I thought it was weird. Anyway, Ian Yeah, Ian Crosslin. Follow me on the internet at Ian Crosslin. You'll be glad that you did. See you later. Carter Banks. Uh yes, I'm Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks and also Tate. I'm the real Tate Brown at the Real Tape Brown holding it down. I got my Alps. You beat me to it. Just going to make sure you follow Real Tape Brown all across everywhere. Real Tape Brown. Follow Real Tape Brown. Where'd he go? What else does Tate do? He had to take important. You know, he had important affairs. He took a portal to Waffle House. He's going to he's going to call me like I don't know how, but I'm at Waffle House. I was just on the show. All right, everybody. Uh that's everyone, right? Thanks for hanging out. It's been fun. We're back, of course, with clips out the weekend. And uh we'll see y'all then.