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Andrew Wilson appeared on trigonometry. This got very interesting because it goes exactly how we have seen this go before. They have not taken the time to think these things through in this way. So when Andrew just asked them very bluntly, it leaves them unable to respond.
"Like let's start with this. Do you want women to be able to get drafted in the military?"
"Uh I personally don't. No."
"Why?"
"Why? Why not? Even if they're not in combat roles, they could be providing support. There are women in the military. So why don't you want them to be drafted?"
"Uh because I've never really thought about it, but it's just an instinctive reaction. Actually."
"I like both these guys. I've spoken to them. Can see that they have not thought about these things in this way before."
"Uh I'd have to think about the exact reason. But um I I just don't think combat is what men do. I guess it's a very simplistic way of saying it. And there'll be there will be women who blow can kick your ass and and there are women like that. Right."
"Um"
"but not generally."
"Uh what I I am not against women serving in the military if that's what they choose to do."
"Yeah. But what about the draft though?"
"But I don't think they should be compelled to. No."
"Why not? If you've admitted women can serve in the military. They provide logistics. They can even do combat in some cases. Why should men be compelled but women not?"
"I don't think they should be compelled to. No. But men should"
"uh in I think in some circumstances yes like when the survival of the country is at stake."
"So women get a privilege men don't get."
"Sure."
"Men get certain privileges too."
"Notice what you said there. Men get certain privileges too. What is an example of male privilege? When you actually ask the question no one can answer. You're going to see it play out right here."
"No. What privileges? Name a single privilege men get that women don't have access to."
"What"
"you mean? Legislative"
"anything. and he's opening up the table to absolutely anything"
"like literally in life any yeah any aspect whether it be governmental social women have all the privilege"
"and this bothers people but when you ask them okay but why does this bother you they can't really tell you it's just it doesn't feel right"
"all the privilege"
"oh yeah when the Titanic goes down who gets on the lifeboat"
"yeah yeah but that's a very narrow context who dies in childirth right like I mean come on this we're different and"
"almost no women die in childirth anymore or"
"some still do."
"Sure. But I mean, some people die. I mean, there's probably more women that die in childirth in America than people who die on the Titanic in the modern."
"Yeah. Child birth avoidable."
"You just don't have don't have sex, right?"
So, he's pointing out a logical difference. The government is not compelling women to have children. They are compelling men to enlist for the draft. What what are any can you give me any privilege at all that men have uh that women don't? Whereas I can give you tons of privileges that women have that men don't. That's what I'm asking.
"Um privilege well I mean the privilege concept outside the legislative framework is a difficult one."
"Even inside of it I'm asking for both either any in fact. Um,"
"see, notice how difficult this is. Yet, people talk about male privilege as though it is so prevalent. Yet, no one can really point to anything. I don't have the data on all this stuff, but I I I would assume there are contexts in which men are more likely to be employed for a certain thing because they're more likely to be perceived as authoritative, as leaders, things like that."
"That's the best they can come up with. Well, I could imagine this thing happening. There's no way to measure that. And I like Constantin. It's fascinating to me that once you're in this position, you begin to make a progressive leftist argument. As a teacher, the vast majority of teachers were female. Is there a bias in hiring teachers?"
"Although that has changed with the kind of woke agenda of the last 10 years"
"and it works both ways. Like for instance, preschool teachers. Yeah. I would assume that people would vastly prefer that their kid go to a woman. Right. Right."
"So it seems like that privilege is striped across the board. So, like what what is the why is it that women get all of the equality, right? Uh but also get all the privilege."
"I mean, it's difficult to argue with. If you see a flaw, let me know."
"That doesn't seem right to me. That seems like it's backwards. So, like, what what I I'm still waiting to hear from anybody ever. What are these what are these um privileges men have over women versus what women have over men? If you've ever been curious about buying and investing in crypto, Bitcoin, stable coins, USAT, or even goldbacked stable coins, but maybe you felt like it was too complicated, Rumble Wallet is an easy way to get started. You can buy, sell, and manage your cryptocurrencies all in one place, and the app is super straightforward. What makes Rumble Wallet really unique is that you can use it to tip your favorite creators and support the Freedom First community that has been built on Rumble. Getting started is simple. Just download the Rumble Wallet app, sign up with your existing Rumble account. No need for a new login. Complete a few security steps and you're set up in a few minutes. You can start with a few dollars and with Moon Pay built into Rumble Wallet, you can easily buy crypto using your credit or debit card or bank wire. So, if you've been thinking about the advantages of crypto, download Rumble Wallet now. Click my link in the description or search Rumble Wallet in your app store. Download Rumble Wallet today and move your assets to where they belong, in your hands and in your control. there is a logical flaw at the very center of this issue. Regardless of where you land on it, we must acknowledge the flaw. And that's what Andrew is pointing out."
"So, if you can go and you can be drafted, you can be sent off to war,"
"right? Um, and women can't, but they can vote to send you off to war, how is that not something which fundamentally needs to be addressed immediately? That seems to me like it's completely lopsided and it's giving one class of people a significant privilege over another. So, if we allowed women to be drafted, you'd be happy with them having the problem."
"Well, see, now we come into pragmatic problems though. The reason that you said earlier, I'm against women being drafted is because they can't really serve in combat roles, only in support roles, was drafties of men would have to serve in combat roles. The reason women don't do well in combat roles is because, well, driving tanks is hard work. It takes muscles and you got to, you know, run the shells and you have to carry hundreds of pounds of equipment with you and you have to do all of this type of thing. And generally speaking, women aren't equipped for it, which why we've never had female Navy Seal to date. Even though they've been trying for like 25 years, we still haven't had a single one. They can't do the job. Now, Francis is going to take a stab at him. And I like both these guys. This is nothing personal. This is about being objective and calling balls and strikes,"
"I guess. But when you vote for a government, you don't vote whether to go for war or not. It's the government that makes the decision. There's plenty of people who voted for Donald Trump and are absolutely disgusted that he is started a war with Iran. I thought government was forced. We all agreed on that, right? Government's force. Like ultimately that's what it reduces to. When you say you're voting, you're voting for force and you're voting for force use. Why does the United States have a massive military? Well, because we're going to use it. That's why we're going to use it. Why do we have a draft? Well, because we're going to use that, too, and have used it. And we're going to institute a draft at some point. Again, likely. It's It's more likely than not at some point."
"Yeah."
"We're going to do it."
"So, the thing is is like, why do women get exempt from that?"
"And if it's the case that you don't want them exempt from that, why is it that they don't go right to the front lines then and battle it out uh like drafties have the at least the potential to?"
"Well, that's a fundamental privilege that is not being addressed, right? Right. And yet women have the vote. Doesn't seem like they care too much about men's rights, even though we're supposed to care about theirs. Seems like they have a lot of privilege in society."
"Is that fair, Andrew? I think a lot of women care about men's rights. Actually, look, there there's there's there's a vocal minority which say that they don't and they hate men. And look, we know those type of women. Let's be honest, a lot of women care about men's rights. They do."
"A lot of women care. I don't I don't even know what it is. A lot of women care about men's rights. I who give us give me like three of the most prominent ones you can think of"
"who care about men's rights."
"Uh well I'm trying to think now but now suddenly it becomes very difficult to actually come up with a single name."
"The burden of bearing the child is uniquely with women in the same way that the burden of fighting in war is uniquely with men."
"But the very nature of those two things is different. One is not compelled by the government"
"in in the"
"so it's an ontological argument. The nature of woman is to have children. Nature of men is to go to war,"
"right? And so"
"then the woman needs to be fulfilling her nature then, right?"
"Well, my woman is and so is yours, right? I would insist for my woman to have the right to vote on that basis that she's contributing frankly at this point way more than I am."
"Drafting is collective, right?"
"Yeah."
"So then the duty is collective."
"Yeah."
"Then why isn't child birth? And once again, they have no response, which indicates there is a glaring flaw at the center of this, regardless of how you feel about it or where you land on it."
"Why do I have to fulfill my duty, but they don't have to fulfill theirs?"
"Well, I I never said that. I thought it was a collective duty for women to have children. It It's"
"But it's a collective duty for men to go."
"Yeah. Yeah."
"Well, then again, that sounds like privilege."
"Yeah."
"in well in the same way that fire safety in your own house is a is a personal thing that you do. But if there's a fire in the neighborhood, it's the collective duty of the neighbors to get together and try and put it out, right? That there's a different something."
"Do you go to jail if you don't do that?"
"Yeah. I look I I agree with you. The compulsion element is different."
"But not everything is exactly the same."
"I'm not I'm not even asking like I agree with you. Getting drafted and having babies is different. We can agree with that, right?"
"Both important though, right? Well, it's important. But the idea here that we are talking about, which should be equal, is the idea of duty"
"has nothing to do with how I feel about the people involved. I made the mistake of calling Alex Okconor a fool. I don't think he's a fool. I was continuing with that argument he was making was foolish. Sometimes people explore arguments for the sake of exploring the logic."