S4: The Bob Lazar Story (w/ Luigi Vendittelli of @ProjectGravitaurOfficial)

On this episode of Somewhere in the Skies, we're joined by filmmaker Luigi Fentatelli. We have real, verifiable, reproducible evidence that is 100%. 100%. I'm I I I'm saying this publicly that proves something Bob Lazar said in 1989 that there would be no [ __ ] way in hell that he would have known that or any of us would have known that in 1989. And it is impossible to argue. It's tangible. It's verifiable. It wasn't leaked to us. It's public. We discovered it through public. It's going to clearly make a lot of noise because if he was lying, there's no way he would have known this. No way.

Luigi breaks down his year-long collaboration with Bob Lazar and the creation of his film S4: The Bob Lazar story. From becoming the youngest Muon member ever to working alongside researchers tied to the aerial school incident, Luigi shares how a lifelong obsession with UFOs led him to one of the most controversial figures in the field and ultimately inside Lazar's world.

Luigi reveals how he worked directly with Lazar to reconstruct the alleged S4 facility in extreme detail, building a full 3D environment of the hangers, corridors, propulsion lab, and even the surrounding Papoose Lake landscape. He recounts how Lazar began remembering new details during the process and describes powerful moments where Lazar was visibly shaken after virtually walking through the recreation that aligns with Lazar's 1989 statements as well as the intense push back he faced, including legal demands for his private communications with Lazar, with modern whistleblowers echoing Lazar's claims about reverse reverse engineering programs.

This episode dives deep into whether Lazar's story is finally being validated and what this new film S4: The Bob Lazar story could reveal next. But before we get to that conversation, I want to send a special thanks and shout out to our brand new Patreon subscribers, Timothy H., Brenda F., Corbin S., Nest P., and Moth Man's Uncle. If you'd like to become a Patreon subscriber and get rewards in return, visit patreon.com/somewhereskies. Thank you so much for your support. And while you're at it, please take just a few moments to rate and review Somewhere in the Skies on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. It truly helps us gain visibility and find new curious minds. Head on over to Apple Podcasts and Spotify and rate and review today.

But for right now, let's learn more about S4: The Bob Lazar story with its creator and director, Luigi Ventitelli.

While our government's official position is not to speculate on this subject, we can choose to let our minds explore other possibilities, to use our imaginations. For if we consider that astrocientists agree on one point, that the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable, some feel it is there without a doubt. Let us suppose then that these objects are real space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin and not an illusion of the mind. This is Somewhere in the Skies with Ryan Sprague.

Welcome to Somewhere in the Skies and a first-time welcome to our guest today, Luigi. Thank you so much for joining us on Somewhere in the Skies. Thank you, Ryan. It's great to be here.

Now, you and I have been in this field for a while, man. We were talking off air about what has changed in the decades that we have been studying UFOs. But if there's one thing that hasn't changed for me, it is the story of Bob Lazar. One of the most consistent stories in Ufology, one that I have followed for a really long time. Obviously, you have as well. We're going to talk all about your uh your upcoming film that's coming out, S4, the Bob Lazar story. But that is a story in itself. The the journey that this project has had, right? Hell of a story. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, before we get to that though, man, for any of our our viewers, our listeners who may be unfamiliar with your work, um, let's catch them up. Can you kind of give us your your background? What what got you interested in UFOs, the origin story? I know you probably told this a million times, but um, I'll try to make sure. Yeah, right. The cliff notes version.

Um, but I was reading this today. You hold the record for something in Muon as well. In terms of that, can you tell us about that? That was back in '87 or '80. I'm never I I can't find my original uh letter because I I have a letter. I have all my other letters, but I can't find the original. So, it's either late '87 or early 1988. I found out about Muon. I was in Canada. I was really interested in flying saucers. I was interested in flying saucers because my grandfather had seen a flying saucer. So as you know, I'm Italian born, Italian Catholic, very traditional, very religious family that I had in my upbringing, also grew up part of my life in Rome, and that was not a topic of conversation in the family, let alone in the community. Nobody talks about flying saucers. My grandfather being very traditional who kept saying he saw a flying saucer caught my attention as a kid and I remember, you know, he was like a a very important person in my life. I considered him to be probably one of the the foundational people of how I became what what I've become in my life. And I said, he doesn't lie. He wasn't he wasn't a liar. He wasn't a person. He wasn't somebody who ever wanted to have attention. And he's very low-key and and he kept insisting that he had seen a flying saucer. So, it got my attention. I got so interested that I wanted to find out everything about them and here in Montreal. I was living in Montreal, born born in Montreal. Um, and I couldn't find anything about flying saucers back then, especially like early '80s. So, I was I thought if I buy a bunch of astronomy or space books, I'll find out about aliens, which was false. You you all your all your reading is about planets and stuff. And I eventually found out that there was an organization called Muon. I think my my mom drove me and my sister and my grandmother. I remember from Montreal. There's a place called Plattsburgh, New York. It's not too far away. So we we drove to Plattsburgh, New York. And at the time, the mall in Plattsburgh, New York was really cool. Like they had all these stores that we didn't have in Montreal. So, we always wanted to go there just to buy stuff that we could get in America that you couldn't get in Canada, you know. And so, I remember something, I don't remember where I saw it, but I remember I saw something about Muon there. So, I took it back with me to Montreal and I and I sent them like the application and all that. And and when they responded, I received a letter and it was from a guy called Walt Andress, which was the head of Muon at the time. And he said, "You know, you're the youngest person who's ever applied to be a member of Muon." I remember I had that and and I was like, "Oh shit." You know, that I I was like, I'm maybe it's I'm like I'm too young for this. I started getting intimidated thinking that I had to do I had to do something and I didn't. But I thought I had to by doing, you know, you're you're innocent. You don't know. So, I got my first card and he said, "You're the official youngest member of Muon in the world." So I remember that being a thing and uh that got me really started. I started receiving the Muon journal, you know, the Muon journal that they would send out and I started trying to through that trying to locate where to buy the right books. I was a geek, dude. I was a geek. I was a full-on geek. I was not interested in girls or going out playing soccer, whatever. I was just full on wanting to find out, you know, about aliens. And so I really geeked out and I I bought a whole bunch of books and I got really interested and I would eventually start going to these little get-togethers. They were not Muon conferences. They were like local chapter Muon things and my I was like 13, I think. So my dad would have to drive me and he was concerned like where where are you going? All these people have white hair because everybody had white hair, you know, and and it was just weird for him to like see his son and so he would stay just to make sure that it's what the hell is this, you know, right? And but he was very supportive and um eventually I actually one of the first things I actually really do dove deep into was communicating with Ed Walters from Gulf Breeze, Florida. I don't know if you remember that. Oh buddy, yes I do. Yeah. What a story. And uh I couldn't believe it. I wrote him a letter and I said, you know, I I'm I'm um I to I thought that to to validate myself, I would have to say I'm with Muon. I thought that was a validation. So I said, I'm with Muon and I'm in Montreal. I'm really interested in your case and blah blah blah. So I sent him a letter. He sent me back a package which had a videotape which I still have of him talking to me on videotape and then sent me original well copies of the original tapes of what he had filmed and letters and stuff. And that was the first time I was like going like, oh, this is this is so cool, like this is like, you know, and uh I guess that that started me on this whole journey, but it's been like anybody who would have been interested in that back then. It's like it's a side note. It's like it's part of your life, but it's not what you do. I had to go to school and I was studying and eventually the older I got, the more I wanted to date girls and that was not a cool topic to bring up back then. If you started if you believed in UFOs and aliens, that wasn't going to get you on a date. So I started like not talking about it for a while so I could have a normal life and then eventually I I would do it in like I would read about it secretly and then eventually publicly I started saying, you know what, I like this stuff. I don't care. I'm gonna say I like this stuff. So obviously like a lot of us got a lot of flack from a lot of people, even friends of the family used to think I had there was a problem with Luigi cuz he likes aliens too much, you know, and so that was that was how I started and eventually after many years uh and I'm cutting out a lot, I uh I eventually became national director for Muon in Canada and I pretty much was in charge of all, you know, basically what Muon does is taking in all inst all the reports and filtering through and and basically dispatching anybody who would have to go out. And I did that for a while until I got really honestly real bored of it because it's it's the same thing. You you get so many people who see something. It's really I'm not saying it's not real. I'm saying you can't do anything with it. You know, somebody will call, do you have a picture of it? No. But I want to report it or you have a video of it. Yeah, but you can't see anything. And that was like 95% of it or more. So it it kind of got tiring to or telling people you just saw Venus. It's just it's just Venus. You didn't see anything. You know, some people would think the moon is moving. You know, the moon is not moving, dude. You know, so it's like so there was a lot of that and I and I got really tired of that. It it became monotonous and uh took a step away from that and uh I think it was uh early on in the 2000s or mid mid 2000s I uh 2005 or something I can't remember. I was in China and I was coming back. I was coming to Canada then China at the same time and I started really getting back into it and eventually that got me to get to know uh people that were involved with the aerial school incident in Ruwa in Zimbabwe. So I got uh I became eventually became very close to one of the witnesses. Her name was Emily Trim. She passed away a year a year and a bit ago. Uh she be she had become a really close friend of mine. I had uh become really close with Randall Nickerson who produced the documentary Aerial Phenomenon and uh and that kind of took a lot of years in my life. I I was really working with Emily on trying to figure out what had happened there and things that happened to her and other kids after. And that got me very interested in the uh I was always interested in abductions, but I was not I was well well educated, self-educated by reading books, but it that's just what I, you know, just reading books. I eventually uh was uh fortunate enough through a friend who is called Don D'Andre's professor at McGill here who's wrote about this who is very close friends with John Mack and with David Jacobs and John was already gone and so connected me to David Jacobs and I eventually was his apprentice for two years. So David basically did a lot of I I spent a lot of time with David learning about the abduction cases. He told me all about what Bud Hopkins was doing throughout the years and all that. And I I was fortunate enough one time at David's house to see all of Bud Hopkins' work because it was at David's house. And uh I was fascinated with it and uh eventually realized that I was not going to be a good um hypnotist, you know, do a regressive hypnosis. I was going to be very good at uh basically tracking data, but not hands. If you go into the abduction field, it's kind of synonymous with having to learn how to do sub-regressive hypnosis. I'm not made for that. So, I I I stepped away. I said, "This is not something I'm going to be good at doing. I don't know how to do it well, but I know how to track data. I know how to connect things." And so, I did a lot of that. And uh through my friendship with Emily, I eventually uh realized I had realized it in the past, but realized it more that the field required a a sort of an ethical um standard. The field I I should rephrase that, not the field, the topic was still being ridiculed even though the nuts and bolts was being ridiculed less. So if people were accepting of the fact that somebody could have seen an object, even a Navy pilot seeing an object, that's still nuts and bolts. You're seeing an object. It's flying. It's technology. We don't know what it is. That's a very big step away from I saw a being. A being was here in my presence. That's not the same. So there was a big distinction there and also a big distinction in how society reacted to it. And so if you had a lot of people open to the possibility that yeah, it's possible that somebody saw something in the sky, that was great to see this this openness with people, but you could still sense a pretty closed gap with with mainstream when it came to possible contact. And that made me look at this and I eventually wanted to start a movement at the time with Emily uh when she was alive and it was going to be called the WANA movement. We Are Not Alone. The first four letters is W A N A. And the WANA movement was simply to raise awareness to the fact that it is possible that people have seen something. They do not know what it is and it affected them emotionally. It affected their lives and we should be very cautious in ridiculing it or laughing it off as if it's nonsense right away. It because that could be further trauma to that person and that was something that I took very seriously. Excuse me. So it kind of made me step away from the daily investigations or the the investigative work and I started thinking about the human aspect of this phenomenon. And I thought, you know, we need to kind of just talk about it and and of course there's always going to be those who embellish or want to have attention and they'll bring out, you know, stupid things out there, make us believe, whatever. But then there's the real people in there and they they have real feelings and they're real humans who have, you know, families and friends and and jobs. So it it became the number one priority for me. And that was at the end where um then COVID started and I was I had already started WANA and Emily was well and we were going to do something about that. She was going to be my she was going to be our spokesperson because she had been a witness to Ariel. She she she was there. Yeah. And and she had gone through a tremendous amount of personal attacks throughout her life because they thought that was crazy. There's no way aliens don't exist, you know, you you imagined it so that the other kids so so COVID arrived obviously everything kind of froze and while I was kind of stuck not being able to do anything because I couldn't couldn't go they even had curfews in Quebec where I live here in Montreal so you couldn't even leave. I decided I said, "Let me let me do a full deep dive on the Bob Lazar story just for fun." Just for funsies, you know, let me just let me just really do a deep dive. Nice. And uh and I did. And I started, you know, I started pulling all I said, "Let me see what's online, you know, like what's what's out there, right?" And there was so much stuff. I mean, there's so much stuff on Lazar. It's crazy. And you have to you have to be like you have to really be good at remembering stuff because information was varying from one site to the next or whatever you read. And and that that kind of that kind of struck a chord because I'm like, I don't know which which which website's telling me the truth here because one's saying this, the other one's saying that and what's real? And uh long story short, I started getting more and more interested in the story. Jeremy Corbell had done his movie and in 2018 and had been on Rogan with Bob, which I found that to be great because Bob came out again in the in the in the spotlight and I thought, "Oh, this is cool." You know, and and I I knew the story since I was a kid. Obviously, everybody who w I was I was there when I was a kid when it happened, but I remember I was already uh I believe I was already with Muon when that happened. And uh so I was starting to take notes. I remember I was, you know, when you see those the cliché thing of like having a board and writing notes and so I started like creating a a thing where it's like, okay, this is what happened, that's what he saw, this, but I started getting more interested in the story of what he had seen at S4 more so than the story of how to validate who he is as a person. And the reason why is I I said, look, I've known about this guy for I don't know, 20 some at the time, it's 30 years or something. I um I've also seen all this information out there that has to do with his past and there's it's been it's out it's been out there forever. A lot of people have done a lot of great work in that, but every time we had to talk about what he saw and exactly describe what he saw, it was always vague. I'd never seen something really accurate. And I'm thinking this guy was in he was like touching the material. He was I mean he's handling it. So obviously we need to have very clear specs here. I mean he he was inside the craft, right? So that's not something that you heard all the time. Uh you you know, if I had to think about another person who consciously remembered being inside a craft would have been Travis Walton that woke up inside a craft and ran around and tried to get away. But that was not he was not analyzing components like let's say what Lazar claimed to you know, being inside this vehicle. Right. So I found that to be really of interest and I thought, you know, in the in the field and I and I'll I'll take a quick I also parallel to all this, I I'm a president of a merchandising company. So I run merchandise. I've been running merchandise for 25 years. So I I know how to make stuff, by the way. Just FYI. I can make products, right? So I've done that for 25 years. And that's one of the reasons why I was in China to learn how to make stuff. So, um, and so I thought, never have we ever seen a professional scale model of a vehicle from another civilization, supposedly from another civilization that is accurate. It's always kind of or it's about like that or but never something precise. And I and I'm a I'm I'm obsessed with precision, by the way. I'm I'm kind of known for that. So, I thought, how interesting would it be to create something that is extremely precise, a model of of a vehicle that is possibly a real vehicle from another star system, but with precision. And I thought, which who do I contact? Which one would it be? Well, it's if if I thought about it, it wouldn't have been Travis cuz he really didn't have time to analyze the components. You could not rely on abductees because it's far too difficult for that to be considered accurate information. It's very vague. They're scared or they don't remember. But Lazar is the only person we know, especially historically, that described this from a perspective of a study of an analysis. So I thought, I wonder if he would be open to to to doing anything on this. And I reached out uh on a whim. I decided to pick up the phone. I found the company that he that his company reached out, spoke to Zach who works with him at United Nuclear. That's his company. I said, "Look, you guys don't know who I am. Uh, this is my company." I sent the website. I said, "I've been making stuff for a long time. I'm really good at making things, tangible objects, whatever they they are. Uh, I'd love to make a replica, a collector version of that flying saucer. I would love to have Bob Lazar to make sure that I'm doing it the right way. Whether people believe it or not doesn't matter. It's still that story. And I said, and I would love to have his seal of approval. I said, I could possibly do it with the information that is out there, but it would be so much more valuable if I have his stamp of approval on it." And so, you know, Zach said, "I I don't know if he's going to talk to you, you know, I don't know if he he's has time or I said, I understand that. I I'm not expecting anything, you know." And long story short, he he decided to give me a call. Oh, sorry. Zach called me and said, "Bob would like would talk to you." He saw your website and you do seem like somebody who's done quite a few things in the past. I said, "I have. It's it's it's it's not it's not a secret." So, I I eventually got on the phone with Bob maybe a day later and it was the first time I spoke to him. So for me it was also as a, you know, as a person in this field to talk to Bob Lazar was just a cool thing, you know, just to hey Bob, you know, I'm I'm a fan regardless, you know, I I think the name Bob Lazar also sparks nostalgia for me because it's when I started getting interested in flying saucers. So, you know, it it there's a certain part of that that is also nostalgic that made me, you know, want to talk to him because I'm like, my god, this is a name I've heard since I was a kid. And uh and so we we started talking and he realized that I I knew what I was talking about. He started asking me like, well, if you would do that, how would you, you know, how would you go about in making this? And so, long story short, he um he said, "You sound like you know what you're doing." And I said, "I I do, Bob. I I genuinely would take this very seriously. I would do a very professional job at this. I would not I would not insult the project. I would make a a professional model." He says, "Fine, you you can come and see me." And so I I bought a ticket the next day. I was like, "Look, if Bob Lazar is saying come and see me, I'm not going to take a chance and make that possibly change. I'm gonna go and see him." So, I went out there and uh I brought my god, Ryan. I brought like I I here we have like all this area where whenever we're creating prototypes of stuff, we have like material samples, textures, colors. We have I have all this kit that we use. Put all that in my luggage and went out there. I said, "If I'm going to build a craft, I'm going to bring everything I have." And so, we I went out there and him and I sat. He invited me to his house the first night to have dinner with his wife and Zach, wonderful people, and uh talked about life more than anything. And he said, "Do you really think people would be interested in a model of a flying saucer?" I said, "Yeah." And he says, "Wow, you didn't even hesitate." I said, "No, Bob." I go, "This is you're you're sort of a you're sort of a unique individual and we can't seem to, you know, put that story away. It's a really important story." I go, "I know there's a lot of controversy around it, but you still, you're still Bob Lazar. You still said that and a lot of stuff seems to align in some in some senses." So he said, "All right." So we sat down for two days. I took down so many notes. I mean measurements and he was so kind and trying to help as much as he could and uh I I had brought with me um a Testers model back in '94. Testers corporation had made a plastic model of that craft. It it's available on eBay for people who want to collect it. It's a collector edition and it's not a good quality model, but it's it's pretty accurate. And so I brought that with me and I wanted to know from Bob, is this is this good? You know, like, can I also use this? And he pointed out everything that was good and everything that was not. So he says, you know, this is good, but this is actually inaccurate. So you kind of I made notes everywhere and at least that was a framework, kind of part of the framework and came back to Montreal. Spent two months with my team and we uh I mean, we did a pretty big job and created a 200-page book on the craft, a technical page book on the craft. Yeah. And uh and I had a hundreds of questions for him that I had not realized that I needed to know. And I so this this sparked me going back to see him with all these questions and while we were out while I was out there, he answered everything. Some of them he didn't know, like he goes, "I'm sorry, I never measured that." So I I would like there were certain things that we had to like say, okay, impossible to know because he didn't get to see that. Uh, but whatever he was able to give us, it was it was very good. And we eventually I came back and we eventually built the craft. We started building the craft in 3D in uh Unreal Engine. And uh I spent I I would close close to a year, a little less than a year building just the craft, the framework of the craft, and that took a while. I had uh I would say in total we were five people. I I contracted five I cont sorry, I contracted four uh 3D uh experts in to do that and I had one person in house plus myself to to to direct it and then eventually it grew to a bigger team. And while this was happening, I thought, you know, we could build the hanger where it was, you know, housed. And so that sparked conversations with Bob saying, Bob, would you would you help us, you know, with the hanger so that we can maybe make a box for this thing that looks like the hanger? Anyway, that went from let's make a box for the model to, hey Bob, do you think we could build the whole the whole S4 facility? And he said, he said, look, he goes, if if you're going to be investing the money, just make sure you get your money back. He goes, "You" He goes, "That wh why would you do that?" You know, and I and I said, "What if we did this? If we were able to recreate S4, and I mean really recreate S4. I'm not talking about some some low-quality, low-poly recreation. I'm talking high-quality stuff. Would you be willing for us to do a small documentary where you would be explaining everything you saw there in the exact way you saw it?" And that was I think that was right before uh I think it was I can't remember exactly the date that happened, but he he thought about it and he he thought, Luigi, that's going to cost you a fortune, you know, like he was worried. He was worried like, are you sure you want to do this because he wasn't getting any like for him it's like, all you're getting from me is I'm directing you to do this, but what are you sure you're even going to make any money with this, like, you know, you're you're going to spend all this money doing because he saw how much effort it was to just build a craft and then, you know, anyway, long story short, I said, "Look, if you tell me it's a go, I I will allocate the budget. It's all done in-house here, so it's our own money." And I said, "We'll do it." And he said, "It" he goes, "I don't want to be responsible if this is not a profitable business for you." He says, "If you want to do it, know that I've warned you that, you know, nothing says you'll get your money back." I said, "I'm okay with that. I I know that I'll work on trying to make this, you know, uh, at least recover our expenses." And and so he agreed. And so we started building S4. And then once S4 was built with the craft, with the other craft, well, whatever he could remember. By the way, we only built what he could remember, what he saw. Okay. So, if there's a long there's you're going to see a long corridor, a long hallway in S4. We didn't build past where he went. It's just a corridor because he said, "I I don't know what was out there. I just know it was a long corridor, but I never went there." So, we we kind of had to limit ourselves to that area that he worked in. Built the propulsion lab where he worked and built the hanger, obviously, the sport model, the briefing room, the nurse station, the out the the hand scanner room, the the whole, and then we started building the landscape, the whole Papoose Lake, the Papoose Mountain Range, and we went so far to go to 10 kilometer wide 3D environment. So, a few million dollars later, we now own S4. Okay. So, wow. Yeah. So, we hope we hope to uh we hope people will appreciate the extent we went into in at least doing it.

Now, we we were also saying, you know, I people on my team didn't even know who Bob Lazar was. Okay. So, when when I started telling everyone, we're going to work on this project. This guy Bob Lazar worked on flying saucers at Area 51. I swear everybody just looked at me like, are you crazy? Like, who, what are you talking about? And I said, "You do you know who Bob Lazar is?" And they were like, "No, I have no idea who Bob Lazar is." I said, "You know, he worked at this facility." And I started explaining it as if, and I started, I forgot that that sounded insane to some people. So, right, you know, I said, "There were there were flying saucers in these hangers." And they literally said, "You're you're kidding, right?" Like, a flying saucer in a hanger. Like, for them, that was like, "What are you saying?" You know? So, my team came in completely not knowing Bob Lazar and most of them not believing this at all. Like, I'm talking at all. In fact, my sister who works with me, uh, she was like, "What are you what are you doing? Like, I know you like this stuff, but what the hell is this all about? This guy working in a place with flying saucers." Like, she was like thinking, "Are you [ __ ] losing it? Like, this is going to cost so much money." And, you know, so I I had I had friction inside, you know, cuz they're like, "Okay, we'll do it." But like, really? So they eventually obviously they eventually met Bob. They had to because we had to film with Bob and all that. Everybody was kind of guarded. They were like, you know, who is this guy? Like, I can't wait to meet this guy to to see if this guy's for real or not. And it and and that's part of this whole story is, you know, whether people believe Bob Lazar or not, I I can't nobody can control that. They people make their own judgment, but on a on a human level, I'll speak for what I I've seen with my team. All of them today all believe Bob Lazar. Wow. And not only do they believe Bob Lazar, but they they now uh they now defend Bob Lazar. And you can't fool so many people so well. And and if he has, wow, because my my I got a couple people that work here that are, you know, those people that you could just never fool. It's they're like an impenetrable. There's no way. That's my sister, by the way. You You cannot There's no way that I I challenge God to doing that and just there nobody's going to change her mind. And I was like, "And she was like, 'Yeah, he's he's saying the truth. I can't I can't see where he's lying. It just doesn't come across.'" So, does he, you know, some people say, does he believe his own lie? Is he, I don't think that's what it is. I really think there's truth to the story. Everybody is familiar with the controversies of Bob Lazar. Everybody knows that there's holes in the story. Can't supply uh uh university diplomas, cannot supply some evidence to to to some stuff, had some weird stuff happen uh back when he was younger that doesn't seem to have changed their perception of Bob Lazar, especially when it came to what supposedly happened at S4.

Um, I I myself have spent four years uh working closely with Bob. In fact, I can say now after all this time, it's almost four and a half years. I mean, Bob and his wife Joy have become friends and you don't just that just doesn't just happen. You I I have to trust the people regardless of the fact that it was nostalgic for me to meet Bob or to talk to Bob Lazar. I'm still a very grounded person. I'm very I don't I don't bend very easily to to whatever. So I found it to be very um insightful for me to get the opportunity to know a lot more with Bob talking to him. I asked him every question, if any question you can imagine somebody would want to ask Bob Lazar. I've asked them that question five times over, every question. So, I've covered that for four years and none of that has ever there's not a moment where I thought he was lying. But I will say, and I say it publicly all the time. Bob Lazar is not lying. Bob Lazar is omitting information. Okay? So that's a very, it's a distinct difference between he's a liar or he's omitting information. He I am un I I am certain that he went there and he did witness what he said he witnessed, but I'm also certain there's omissions in the story. Now, I'm not going to press for to know more. He he's openly said he holds back some information. So, I know that that's part of that omission. He holds back in case something ever comes out that if somebody was ever there, they can say something that he can say, "Okay, that that is that person knows something, right? It's like a card he can play." Exactly. If he had to. And I and I completely understand that and I I respect that and I think that's a fair way of of going about it. So I don't think that that's a it's not an intentional uh trick or something. No, I I feel he's genuine. He's saying, "I want to hold a few cards just for my own sake in order to to value."

A lot of people have said a lot of things after he came public. Oh, I I've been to S4. I'm like, you know, you don't know. We don't know if that's true. They've only said it after he said S4. Is that real? You know, what do we know? Right. So, it there's apparently stuff that he doesn't want to, you know, put out there. So, I find that very interesting and I think that that's important. Um, he's clearly uh a very a very educated person and very talented person in what he does, which is all science-related. I personally witnessed it. So I can guarantee everyone it's real. I mean, the guy is is does pretty interesting work. Some of his clients are the FBI. So, it's not like he has small client lists. He does really complex stuff, scientific work that would require quite some knowledge in order to to do. So, it's not like he's this, you know, people say he's not really a scientist or he doesn't know anything about physics or I don't know. I that's not what that's not what I that's not what I saw. But I'm not a physicist myself, so obviously I can't ask the harder questions. But I think he can hold his own. I think he's also said it many times that um that he's not the one they should like. He said, "I wasn't even I" He goes, "I don't think I was qualified for doing what they hired me to do out there." Right? He says, he says, "I feel that it it should have been a scientific project or some science operation, but he says it didn't feel like that. It felt like a military operation. It felt like it was a military prison in in in another way of saying it because we were being watched all the time. We couldn't speak loudly. We couldn't speak to other groups. We had to we had to whisper stuff to each other. we we couldn't look in certain directions that we had to stay focused." And he goes, "That's not a very" He goes, "I don't have very good memories of the environment of S4." He goes, "Of course, it was crazy." You know, it was amazing to be there and see this stuff, but he goes, "Other than that, it was a very stressful place to be at." So he said whatever was happening there was not something he was used to. It it it was it was highly secured.

So when we were making the film and asking him a bunch of questions, he eventually said, "You should not you should know that my story is very boring. You know, it's it's a very boring. I didn't do anything exciting. It's not like anything happened." And I said, "Are are you kidding?" You know, like, you know, but he said, "I he goes, I I understand, you know, you want to you guys want to show the craft and that's cool, but how how much will how much craft can you show? You know, eventually there nothing happened." And I said, "Well, that's the whole point is I think to recreate something that actually happened as mundane and as how boring you think it could be, it's not something that humanity is accustomed in doing to be standing in in in a in a room that has a vehicle that could be potentially from another star system." And I think that's that's in itself quite incredible. Now all the way all the things that were happening because of that are interesting regardless of the fact that there was nothing going on, you know, so why were they shouting? I don't know. Why was everything so quiet? Well, I don't know, you know, so but you want to know those things. You want to see it happen. You want to have a recreation of it so that you can actually, we even in this uh in this research field. Every time we hear these stories, you know, they're reverse engineering, there's government facilities where they hold craft and well, I'd love to see what it would look like, but I mean, through the eyes of somebody that was there, I would be very interested in that. Personally, I've heard the stories a thousand times, but I'm I'm I don't want to see a a cheap recreation of it or a quick animation of it or some, you know, creative liberty way of showing it. I want to see exactly what it looked like. And so that was my motivation. And I think that Bob found that to be uh interesting once he started seeing it.

So once he started seeing it, the really interesting things happened after we had built the frame, the whole framework, and I would say we were at maybe 40% of the of the build, and he started remembering. And that was something that I I didn't expect because he would go into the hanger, he's looking around and he's like, "Yeah, that's that's accurate. That's accurate." And he'd go, "Oh my god, there used to be a door there." He goes, "There's a door missing." You know, and he goes, "I remember now." And you could see it. He's like, I have about a hundred Zoom calls with Bob of him going through S4 and going, "Oh my god, there's, you know, that wasn't there. That was there." And and it's like when you go back in your old high school and you go, "Oh [ __ ] I forgot. Yeah, that's right. The the the washroom is down that hall." You know, stupid things. you remember because you're there. And so that was a really cool experience to see that in in live, to see him remember things. Uh, a lot of things obviously he didn't remember. He he said, "I would always ask him mundane stuff like, how many lights do you think were on the ceiling?" He says, "I I don't know." Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I had to build it, so I didn't know how many. He I I would say, "Do you remember the height of the of the pillar?" He's like, "I I have no idea." He's like, "Whatever that is." You know, he goes, "I wasn't paying attention to that. I was paying attention to the craft." So, and plus I wasn't even allowed to look around. I wasn't even allowed to turn my head. So, there's a lot of things that I remember in obviously I was paying attention, but we were always escorted by military, so by these guards. So, it was a He goes, "There's a lot of things you're going to have to take creative liberty on, you know." I said, "What was the color of the floor, you know, in the hanger?" He says, "It must have been gray, you know." He goes, "I if that if I remember." Plus, he goes, "I don't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, so you're asking me something that I don't remember." You know, so there's a few things that we obviously had to fill in the gaps to build the whole facility, but when we finished and uh we we gave Bob a tour, you had to be there. It was I I can't even put it into words. He was visibly shaken. You could see that it brought back emotions. He said, "I never thought I would see this again." He said, "You guys really did it." He goes, "This is S4. You You This is what it looked like." And he goes, "You got the lighting right." Cuz we we spent I mean, I didn't spare any expense, by the way. So, as long as I make some money back, good. I want everybody to know that this whole project was to try to

Get it to be as historically accurate as possible. Of course, there's an entertainment, uh, component of it, but I wanted to use technology to create a piece of history. Whether you believe it or not, that's the story that was told. So, this is what that story is. I I don't think that it's going to, I don't think that it's going to, uh, hurt to have people see it to possibly connect the dots better.

I mean, you have people that have known Bob all his life. I mean, his wife, uh, Joy, after she saw the movie, she said, "Luigi, I'm I'm married to Bob Lazar, and I learned a lot in your film. I she said I didn't realize it was exactly like that and now I understand it better when Bob tells me." And Mario Santa Cruz, who's a good friend of Bob, just called us yesterday. He just saw the movie yesterday and it was interesting. He kept me on the phone for almost an hour and he said he said, "Luigi, I I've known Bob since this happened. I've known that story like the back of my hand since this happened because Bob had told us." He says, "I learned so much stuff because it's so different when you see something because you finally understand the little nuance nuances, the little differences. You you go, 'Oh, that's what he meant.'" You know, it it it's it's I've I've had a lot of I did a lot of research on this and I had all these points that were pointing to the possibility that the story was fabricated and I wanted to see if these points would get resolved and they did.

I know it's there's we're going to have a book come out eventually. We're going to have all this stuff in a book format as well. How we made it, how we did it, how it's all all the technical details. And there were things that he had said that would only be able to be seen in a real physical environment. And because we built it, we are able to actually physically go there. We we could by the way, we used our physic we used our environment to make a film, but we're also going to be using our environment later this year to release a VR experience where you can actually walk through S4 yourself. Oh my god. Okay, that's so cool. Yeah. So that's going to happen. And so there was there was a few things he had mentioned that I wanted to validate myself. The first one, and we we laugh about it now, is he had said that there was a reversed American flag on the craft that was stuck on the craft. This he had said many years ago. I remember even when I was young, I was like, "They had an American flag on the craft? Like, why would that be?" You know, it made no sense, right? And he said that all the time. He says, "I I don't know. I I saw. I saw it. It was there. I mean, it was on the craft." And so I was interested in the American flag and he had seen it the first time he ever walked in the hangar and the first time he saw the craft. One of the things that caught his attention was the reversed American flag. And when we built it, I remember I had, uh, Chris here who works with me, who by the way is is Christopher Mateau is my right hand in this, who's he's a magician in what he does. He's is incredible. We had the craft. I put the goggles on and I I'm in the hanger and I'm looking at the craft and the first thing I wanted to see is, "Can I see the flag?" Because online when I was initially in 2020 or 2021, whenever I started researching, I I had read a lot of people saying, "There's no way you could have seen the American flag from what he's talking about, from the way the angle is. There's no way. It's impossible. He's lying, blah, blah, blah." I was curious because I said, "It is kind of an interesting angle. I want to see if he could have seen the flag." And you have to build it to see it. You can't just imagine it.

Anyway, I, uh, I essentially looked over at the craft and I remember the first thing I saw was the was the American flag. And I remember my team thought I was going to comment on the hangar because we were looking at the hangar and the first thing I said is, "There it is." You know, and they're like, "There what is?" You know, like, "What are you talking about?" I said, "The flag." And they thought I was talking about a flag in the hangar and they're like, "What flag?" I said, "On the craft." And and it took them a second to figure out. I was looking to see is it possible to see the. So, it it it might not be one of those things where everybody gets convinced because those are mundane things, but there were so many of those that we had to be in the environment to validate if what he said made sense. And when I built the craft and I went inside the craft and I saw he he said certain physical limitations inside the craft. Very it's a it's a although it's a it's a wide object, it's very tapered, so it's very it's very angled. So you have to you have to crouch down because of the way the disc is made. So you're you're pretty much on your hands and knees until you get to the middle, and then you can stand up. And even at that, your your head is touching the ceiling. It's very small. I mean, it wasn't made for a six-foot adult. It's not made for that. And and those are things that I saw only after we built it. And I thought, "How would he know that? How would he know those little subtleties?" Because little subtleties that he said on the fly, like naturally, like, "Yeah, you know, I had to crouch down. Barry went on one side and I had trouble because it was so tight there." And how would you know it was so tight there if you didn't go there? And I was there now because I built it and I'm like, "Oh my god, it's it's so tight. It's it I even looking at it on screen didn't look tight and then I'm there in VR and I'm like, it it's tight. It's oh [ __ ] How would he know that?" You know, so those were little things that always kept coming up during this whole process and I thought, you know, he would be a he's he's really good if this is all made up. This is this is incredible.

Luigi, what were some of the in the recreations now? This is like the big sort of thing of the film. Um, you know, we've we've seen clips of it. We're all going to see all of it very soon. Yeah, of course. Um, what were some of the most powerful moments with Bob and the recreations where you said he was visibly shaken? Now, we don't want to give away everything, obviously, but like, you know, from the room where the files were to the element 115 to the, you know, the the reactor or the core of it, the propulsion? Like, what are the things that really stand out that people are going to be like, "Oh my god"? Or that he was, "Oh my god"? Let let's do both. Let's do Bob first, and then what you're hoping people will see. So for Bob, uh, there's there was three things. Two things happened earlier on. The last thing was the film itself. So when he walked in the hangar, the first time, um, sorry, not the first time, when we finalized it and we had the hangar door open. Now, keep in mind, everything everything works. So physics work, light works, time of day works. So if it's morning, the sun is at a specific angle and the light is coming in differently than if it's late afternoon. So there's a different, you know, if the if the hangar door is open, the lighting in the hangar is a little bit different depending on the time of day. So I was switching from time of day in my goggles for him to see different times of day. Mhm. And I was at his house and, uh, there was a friend of theirs that was in the living room. He was with me in the kitchen in the, not sorry, in the kitchen in the dining room area. And I and I said, "Bob, check this out. It's a different time of day." And it was, uh, he hadn't put the goggles on because I had just arrived. So he puts the goggles on and he stayed very quiet and he, I remember he crouched, he he put both his fists like this and he's looking around. It kind of went, it kind of went like this and I and he looked, he looked like he was worried or something and I thought, [ __ ] I [ __ ] something up. Like, I mean, I must have. He doesn't look like he's impressed. He usually he would go, "Wow, that's pretty cool." He wasn't saying anything and he was looking around and he took the the goggles off and handed them to me and he says, "Uh, I need a moment. That that really did something to me." And I remember the woman that was there, a friend of theirs, she looked over and got like, "Are you okay, Bob?" He goes, "That brought back feelings that I never thought I would have again." And you could see it was like he was visibly shaken and it was a specific time of day. I I did it on purpose because of the way the light bounced into the hangar. So, I wanted him to see how we could play with daylight and I wanted him to see that. And it just so happened that he says that matched a time where I saw the craft in there and that really freaked me out. He goes, "Because for a second, I didn't I didn't realize I was in a 3D environment. I thought I was there." And so that was that was to me that was equally interesting was great and also concerning because I saw how it affected him and he and he kept repeating that to me that whole day. He says, "I can't believe you brought those emotions back in me. I thought those were dead." He said, "I thought those were gone, long gone." And he says, "It makes me realize how how that place messed with me while I was there because it was so not fun to be there because of all the stress that was happening with the guards and the security." So, you could see, I mean, if he was faking some type of emotional trauma, I I don't think he was. I really think it was a genuine human response to seeing something that traumatizing. And the woman also said she knew him very well. She goes, "I I I could tell he was he was shaken by that." So that was the first time that I saw a physical a real emotional.

The second time was when we showed him the the the hallway and it was right at the entrance where the doors open and there's the hallway in the base and he put the goggles on and he said, "Oh my god." He goes, "Wow." He was he didn't know how to respond. He was just like, "That's it." He goes, "You got the lighting accurate, too." He goes, "You got the neon lights accurate to the, not neon, the the fluorescent lights." I said, "I I followed I followed your instructions, man." I go, "I I we we really took the time to get the right luminosity, the right tubes, the type of light they would emit." I mean, we really went far, by the way. We really went detailed. And he said, "You you got this, man." And he goes, "That was eerie to to be back in that hallway because that hallway was almost like he never went, he was I I I was never one time in that hallway by myself. I there was always armed guards next to me. So I felt like a prisoner in that hallway. It's like when you're going from one cell to another." He goes, "It was so stressful to walk with them because they would always say, 'Eyes forward and hands by your side,' you know, like, 'Do not look anywhere.'" It was like a constant like, "Okay, I got it." You know, like, "I'm not going to look anywhere." But they kept saying it all the time. So clearly that shook him as well. I guess it's just a memory of something. Okay. Uh, and then as far as another thing is when we have the test flight that he witnessed that he only saw in the film. I didn't have a way to show that. It was the final cut of the film. We had that that test flight. I kept talking to him about it while we were making it and he's like, "Send it to me." You know, and I'm like I'm like, "No, I don't want to send it to you. I want to, you know, I want to finish this." So when he saw it, he said, "Wow." He goes, "It's it's so perfect." He goes, "That it's weird. It's incredible that technology has gotten that good." He kept insisting how technology is really amazing. We could really do incredible things now that we couldn't do before. And I said, "Yeah, that that's kind of the whole purpose, right? Is to to use technology and to create historical record with it so that we could recreate something visually." I think that's a that's a missing piece even though we all. And so those are the those are the things that that basically made Bob Lazar freak out.

As far as the as far as the crowd's concerned, as far as the audience is concerned, we have evidence. We found. We have a piece of evidence that's going to be released in our film. We have real, verifiable, reproducible evidence that is a 100% 100%. I'm I I I'm saying this publicly that proves something Bob Lazar said in 1989 that there would be no [ __ ] way in hell that he would have known that or any of us would have known that in 1989. And it is impossible to argue. It's tangible. It's verifiable. It wasn't leaked to us. It's public. We discovered it through public. It's going to clearly make a lot of noise because if he was lying, there's no way he would have known this. No way. So, it's some So, regardless of every single thing someone could say about Bob Lazar, this is something. So, I'm I'm very confident about it. Okay. And there's, uh, another, um, complimentary piece of evidence that we will be showing that complements that piece of evidence that is also verifiable, reproducible, publicly available. And following my film, I will be releasing a secondary short episode because we we discovered something else that didn't make it in the film that is a complete oversight of the United States government. A complete. They missed something really big, really, really big. And we discovered it too late. So, we were like, "Shit, we can't we can't stop the movie now." It actually, I think the movie was like already far gone and we've discovered it. And I can say that there are things that are coming out that are proving that whatever Bob said in 1989, obviously, like I'm going to repeat myself, does not prove that there were flying saucers there. But it does prove something so incredibly important, so impossible to find out back then that it proves it proves to me that he had been there at least because it is it lined up at 100% to exactly what he said because we built it. Okay. So, it's 100%. It's not maybe, it's not, oh, it's it's potential. No, no, it's clear as day. So, that's going to be in the film, and I'm looking forward to the public's response to it. I can't wait for the public to dive deeper into it because I certainly exhausted in diving deep on this. So, I want people to dive deeper and please do it. You know, we're just really happy to show it and release it and say, "This is real. Find out what else is real around there." Okay. So, it's clear that there's going to be a lot of noise around it. I'm excited about it. So is my team. Everybody, when we discovered it, it was it was I I I can't say his name yet. was a an somebody reached out to us to to to show it to us. And, uh, at first, I I didn't want to believe it because it was too good. I was like, "There's just no way." I thought, "There there's just no way." And we verified it and we were like, "Oh my god." It was a it was one of those, "Wow." And I showed it to Bob and Bob literally went like, "Holy [ __ ]" like he just went, "Now that's a massive piece of, like, that's like it's there." So we we thought, okay, this is this is gonna make noise. Um, and then we want people to go and do their own their own research, their own take. I mean, I want as many eyes as it of as possible on it, every expert there is on it to go and deep dive into all that because there's so much to see. So, it's it's going to be interesting, let me tell you. Oh, baby. Stay tuned. And that will be, uh, that'll be released after the release of the film. No, there there the release. It's in the film. It's in the film. It's in the film. Got it. There is an additional piece to it. Okay. That unfortunately I wasn't able to put in the film. Right. Yeah. Right. Got it. Thank you. Thanks for clarifying that.

Um, I I've got two last questions for you before we move to some listener questions. Sure. Sure. If that's cool. Um, you you had mentioned like today modern ufology. You know, we're living in a world where now we've had three congressional UFO hearings, a Senate intelligence meeting. We've got AARO, a Pentagon UFO office, all of these quote unquote whistleblowers coming forward now saying there are legacy reverse engineered UFO programs, as Bob Lazar said back in the 80s. So, how do you wrestle with that mirroring of what Lazar experienced back then? What's going on today? Does it bolster Bob Lazar? Does it discredit what he has said? Is there controversy, like contradictions there? What do you make of what Bob Lazar experienced and what's going on today? It it's a it's really hard to make that, uh, connection without also looking at what has been said about Bob Lazar from some of those whistleblowers. Right? So you you have, and this is where I kind of have my, I I I I I I'm very guarded, like I I'm very careful at this point because I don't want to, I don't know these whistleblowers. I I I I've met one, by the way, in the time that I been making this film. Somebody very important who was in Congress. I had an actually had an opportunity to meet with two of them that were in Congress, but I had an opportunity to really talk in great detail with one in a private environment, in a private place with where there was no, all the phones and everything were put in a microwave, and we were supposed to talk privately. Um, I can say that that person did not tell me that Bob Lazar was not real, that every that the story was not real. They they said, "There is something there, but we can't mention his name." And that was something that made me go like, "Okay, fine. I I'm I'm intrigued by that. Why?" Uh, and there's also there are some that are saying incredible things that are very similar to what Bob Lazar said in 1989. I I I think it's possible that some of them have in fact read or looked into this and did get that information. But we have to also think who has actually had hands-on, uh, experience on these things. It's different. There's a there's hands-on, and then there's people who spoken with people who had hands-on and got, you know, second level clearance or something. So there are people that are very credible and I believe them that have had some type of information information, you know, related to them, which I find really interesting. And this there's some of those same people that immediately dismiss Bob Lazar immediately. Yet they say the exact same things he said, all the way to describing how the propulsion works, exactly like Bob Lazar said, almost 40 years ago. So if Bob Lazar was a fraud, which they some of them claim him to be, how would Lazar have known the exact functionality of a propulsion system that matches one to one with what they're saying? I find that to be very interesting. So, I think they're not lying, and I'm not saying that they're not trustworthy. I'm very intrigued because I guess I I'm also, um, I'm also, I've been involved in this now for 40 years, so it's it kind of hits me different. This type of stuff hits me in a different way. And I'm I'm just more in intrigued on, well, then why do you dismiss Lazar? Like, what's what's that all about? It's not that I don't believe you, and it's not that I don't believe Bob. What's why are you dismissing that? Is that specifically to avoid talking about something else? Are we avoiding a a piece of information by including Lazar in the conversation? Because there's you you open Pandora's box with Lazar, and so there's a lot more hands-on detail from Lazar than there is from some of the whistleblowers that are coming out. Regardless of that, I still think they're very valid. But I find it very interesting that they wouldn't even have they wouldn't even explore more on the Lazar or they wouldn't open themselves to saying, "Yeah, that's true. He said the same thing." They don't even want to say that when you're when you confront them because when you say, "But you're saying the same thing he said. He said it 40 years ago." "I don't want to talk about Lazar." "Well, I know, but that's not the point. I'm not asking you to talk about Lazar. I'm asking you, you're saying the same thing. It's interesting." I find that if if I'm a police officer and I'm investigating a crime, obviously, you know, if you're saying you you're corroborating a witness, I'd be like, "Hold on a second. How do you know that?" "I don't want to talk about that." "Well, no, no, you're going to talk about, you know, we have to know what the hell's going on." So, I'm I'm just very fascinated by the omission of the the of of ignoring Lazar. And a lot of them will say, "Oh, it's because people speaking for them, by the way, not them saying it directly." Okay? They'll say, "Oh, they don't want to say Lazar because Lazar brings so much controversy to the conversation. They want to." I can understand that. Oh, I can totally understand that. But if you come public, if you chose to make a decision to go public and to to give your testimony and to say on camera unequivocally the functionality of a propulsion system, and it just so happens to match verbatim what a person you say is a fraud said 40 years ago, and he was the very first to ever say it. You have to be prepared for that question. Yeah. You you you can't pretend you don't know that. Yeah. Okay. Somebody must have raised that question. So, you have to have a better answer than, "I don't want to talk about Lazar." I, you know what I mean? Like there there has to be a better answer.

Luigi, I and you touch on so many things and I do want to ask you this. In we're going to go over to Patreon in just a little bit to answer more listener questions where I do want to dig a little bit more into the controversial aspects of Bob Lazar. Um, but but you bring up a good point and you know, I have wrestled with the Bob Lazar story as many have for many years and it is because of some of those controversies. Some of our questions will be about that. However, I would argue, you know, just because that does not negate Bob Lazar working at this facility, that does not negate the story Bob Lazar. People will say, "Well, if he lied about this, he lied about that." That's not true. That's not how the world works. That that's not how life works. So Bob Lazar can have a controversial past. It does not mean still Yeah. Yeah. That that what he's saying about us four is not true. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I every day I change my mind on Bob Lazar, but I do feel like if this evidence you're saying in your film is true, that we are going to see when the movie comes out verifies what is going on in today's modern whistleblower world of UFOs, um, I think that is really going to make waves and it is going to make people change their perspective on what they are. And I look forward to that. There's no question. In fact, it will it will not just do that, but I think it's going to have, I hope my hope is, um, besides appeasing the the people who don't believe Bob Lazar, I my hope, and this is something that George Knapp and I talked about, is that it might, it might motivate somebody to want to go out there, somebody in the government. So, it might want to motivate somebody to say, "All right, well, we're going to go out there and check this out ourselves." Because if there's nothing there, then what's the problem? Right. Exactly. If there's nothing there, then okay. Yeah. Doesn't matter. Right. So, I think I think it it would be, uh, it would be, it's ambitious for me to think that that could be a possibility. And even if that does become a possibility, doesn't mean I'll ever find out about it. But I hope someone somewhere who does have the clearance or has access who says, "All right, well, let's let's go. Let's go see." You you don't need to bring a a a camera with you. You don't need to have a journalist there to do it. But what maybe it can do is it's the beginning of unraveling one piece of a very, very complex web web. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Absolutely, man. Yeah. That's that's the word that comes to mind when I think web. That's a good point. Story.

Well, you you mentioned someone out there, someone clearances that, uh, have you received any like pushback? Oh, yeah. Or like threats not to release this or like anything you could share on that front or is that Yeah. Story for another day? Yeah, that's something that I I have I had a moment, uh, about a year ago. I think it was a year ago. I was talking to Jimmy actually at UAP Files. I kind of was going through a really rough, uh, a rough time. Uh, yeah, we had, we didn't just get pushback, man. We we got hit hard. And I I mean, I've been in business for, uh, over 25 years and my company came under attack like viciously. Mhm. And, um, I am not, I'm not at liberty to get into all the details because there's still a legal thing going on. But I will say that there are, uh, definite, there's definite evidence that I have that I've shared with some people that proves unequivocally that somebody in a very high position somewhere, I don't know where, if it's federal in the Canadian government or the American government, that had ties to our Canadian banking system tried very hard to shut us down and I'm still fighting that. And it was initially when all this happened, I had, uh, my lawyer. It's funny. And I and I, and now I stay away from saying too much, and you're going to laugh when I say this. My lawyer, uh, called me because I called him. I said, "[ __ ] there's a [ __ ] problem here." And I'll never forget, you know, he he said to me, he goes, "Okay, Luigi, what what'd you do?" And I said, "I I I didn't do anything, you know." And so it went as far as me having to get into an argument with him because he says, "Come on, you know, you're Italian. Maybe somebody in your family made some, you know, some weird transaction somewhere." And I said, "Are are you even kidding me right now?" I said, "Are you actually throwing the Italian card into this Sopranos?" Yeah. Like for real? I I thought, like, you're kidding, right? So he actually didn't believe it because he says, "If that's happening to you, that means you did something very bad." And I said, "I did not do anything." And the reason why I am confident of that and I have receipts for that is that while we were making this film and the VR experience, we were doing both projects at the same time. We were eligible for some really interesting tax credits with the Canadian government. If you work on documentary films or VR experiences, which is virtual experiences, you're eligible for some percentage. You get some tax breaks with the Canadian the government. But in order for you to do that, you have to get audited. So we did and we passed. So I said, "I got audited and I passed." So I don't do anything wrong. I I I wouldn't have done all that and then suddenly decided to go into some criminal activity out of nowhere, you know? It's like, check this out. Like, so I didn't do anything wrong and I have receipts for that. So, uh, he he said, "Well, whatever the case is, nobody would come after you like this unless you did something really wrong." And so, eventually, they sent us a legal document that said, I can't get into, I wish I could get more in detail. It's literally said, "We demand that you send us all written communications that you've had with Bob Lazar." What? I have that on paper. It's a court document. Oh my god. From the Quebec Supreme Court. I have that on paper. So, I'm not inventing this. Okay. So, when I showed that to my lawyer, that's when he said, "Yeah, that's that's weird." He goes, "I've never seen that before." He goes, "That's that's like another level right there." He goes, "Now I'm starting." Because he didn't believe this whole, by the way, he doesn't even believe in flying saucers. So when I told him, I said, "I'm working on this thing." He's like, "Yeah, yeah, you're you're flying saucer thing." Like for him, it's like, "You're you're you're you're crazy, you know, right?" And whatever. But he knows me as a businessman. He knows what I've done in the past. And so he's like, "All right, whatever. As long as you know you you're capable of making a making a dollar with it, good for you." Anyway, he said that is a strange request. Very. Yeah. Yeah. And the fact that it specifically your correspondence with Bob Lazar, it specifically mentions only with Bob Lazar. Weird. Yeah. So, you can't you can't make that up. I can't I can't invent that. Okay. So, so, uh, you know, I had a lot of people go like, "Ah, you know, you're trying to make it sound like you're, you know, somebody who's coming after it's [ __ ] whatever." I'm like, "What am I trying to do here? I'm trying to go against my own company. What am I crazy or something? There's the That's insane." So, yeah, we did have problems. Uh, we're still fighting them. I'm I'm I could say a lot more. I won't. But it's been a very weird last year and a half, let me tell you. And part of the reason why we were so delayed was also part of all this. And I really had to stay quiet. I had to stay quiet. My lawyer told me to stay quiet for, uh, in order to protect the company and to protect the project. Uh, I have a lot of people that work with me here that rely on me, rely on us here to to be, uh, healthy, whether that be healthy financially, healthy as a company. I don't I'm not a lone wolf here. So, I feel they have families, they have their own lives. I I don't want to put any of my people at risk. So, I've been very cautious, very careful, and very quiet. But I can tell you that it I've never experienced anything like this in my entire career. So I'm happy that we were finally able to get the film past a certain point. I will also say that I'm very happy to say that we were able to circumvent the many landmines that were placed in front of us by very, very dishonest people who call themselves film distributors. Uh, and they also tried to hurt this launch of this film. I can tell you that, uh, I learned a lot from that and, uh, maybe one day I'll say more about that, but there's a lot of very dishonest people out there. We were able to circumvent that, get an incredible deal with Amazon, and it's coming out April 3rd. We're very happy about that. Uncensored and exactly as it should have been. So, very happy to say that.

Yeah, that's exciting, man. And I mean, all of that work, all that time, sacrifice, everything. It's It's going to be April 3rd is going to be a big day for you. It's going to be a big day for the UFO community, too, man. I mean, you know, the last time we really had Bob Lazar in the, you know, the limelight was when film came out. That's right. Um, and this story keeps building and more and more of it. It's like the, you know, the judicial system with the two Yeah, that's right. Two scales. Yeah. And and I feel every five years or so, the validation of Bazar keeps getting heavier and heavier in a good way. So, I'm I'm really looking forward to it. Let's head on over to Patreon to get to these burning listener questions. But, um, like you mentioned, you you have your own streaming service as well that's going to be the doc will be on. Um, besides Amazon and everything. So, uh, last question. What do you hope people will truly take away from your film S4 and when and where can they find it?

So, well, okay. Well, what I hope is people enjoy it. I think, uh, that the the biggest thing I hope they can take away from it is to finally see it in the in in its most accurate format. This is without a doubt, as Bob says, that is it. That is what I saw. Exactly as I saw it. So there's no more gray zones. There's no more inconsistencies or he might have said this or did he say that? That's it. So at least it will provide it will dot the eyes, cross the tees, make sure everything is clear and you finally you finally get to see it. So, and you get at least a little entertained by it. I hope so, because we tried to make it as fun as possible. So, that's that's number one. So, I really hope people enjoy it. And I we put a big emphasis on showing a little bit of Bob's past and present in his personal life. Something that we've never seen before. He's was gracious enough to open up to us, show us a lot of things about back when he was a child, and then things that he does today. Things that we don't usually we haven't had the opportunity to see with Bob Lazar. And it's gonna it's gonna certainly add a a level of humanity to the man. He's not just a UFO guy. He's not just that guy who came out years ago and exposed Area 51. That's not really Bob Lazar. That was just a little piece of his life that just so happened to become a historical moment. But, uh, you'll get to see the the man himself, the person, the human being behind this whole story. And there's a there's even a scene, uh, in the film where there's there's a there's I don't want to say an emotional Bob Lazar, but you'll you'll see a human Bob Lazar, and it's it's actually pretty cool to see that. So that's what you'll get in the film and it'll be available on Amazon video worldwide on April 3rd. You could rent it or purchase it and, uh, it'll also be available on our new platform which is going to be called WAN, We Are Not Alone. And on that platform, you will see you will have the film on Amazon. It'll be subtitled in multiple languages. On our platform, it'll be dubbed in 20 languages. So, you're you're gonna have it in Mandarin, Cantonese, Vietnamese, Japanese, Russian, Polish, Italian, German, all those languages, dubbed professionally dubbed on on that platform. So, it'll be it'll be cool for somebody outside of of the North American territory to watch it in their own language.

That's really important, man. It it does open this story up globally because this is a global phenomenon and mystery. So, I love that. I love that. We we will have, uh, links in the show notes, uh, to the film on both your platform and Amazon as well. But, um, yeah, let's head over get to these burning listener questions. Uh, but before we go, uh, Luigi, thank you so much for joining us today here on Somewhere in the Skies. Thank you, Ryan. It's a real pleasure. It was great to meet you as well. Heat. Heat.

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