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Do you have any idea what their defense is going to be, given the fact that the judge has basically taken away their defense? Am I the only person in the world talking about attacking the timeline? Backing the timeline. Backing the timeline. Backing the timeline. Do you have any idea what their defense is going to be, given the fact that the judge has basically taken away their defense? Taking away their defense. Like, am I in crazy? Am I in crazy? Like, am I in crazy? Am I in crazy? Am I in crazy? Challenge the timeline of the murders.

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What's the strategy today? Winning. Winning. Whose [ __ ] hair is that? What's the strategy today? Winning. The consensus has been challenge the timeline of the murders. Challenge the timeline of the murders.

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Boo. What's up, Cranks? Happy Saturday. How we doing? How's it going? Mute. Oh my god, woman. She gets me every time. Hey, Nick. Good morning. Did y'all watch Nick's recap of uh whatever that was last night? We're going to talk about it. It was really good. I shared it on Twitter. If you didn't watch it, go watch it and then come back here. It's about 10 minutes at most and it's excellent. And let's be real, we're not going to start in the next 10 minutes. So, I'm just kidding. No, you can. Anyway, how's it going? It is Sunday. Okay, so last night was weird. What did uh everybody do last night? I didn't plan on spending my night watching Nicholas Mcccleletus talk to us about his uh judicial aspirations, but you know, you don't always plan for things and then, you know, sometimes things just happen and I would love for it to be Saturday. Me too. So, the baddest woman on YouTube. Oh, man.

Um, if Hidden True Crime is in the chat, welcome. I have a PSA for everybody. This is going to um sound hypocritical, and it probably is because I love to uh dunk on people, especially people who suck. Um, having said that, I really want everybody to try their best, our best, to keep our criticism to merits of argument, truth of facts, you know, issuing corrections when just no appear, no physical appearance stuff tonight. I'm begging. Everyone's really good about that, especially when like we're cons just trying to like be conscientious about it. Um, y'all really did great. I'm so proud of all of us. Um, I just think that it kind of takes away from like the like we don't need to we don't need to do that because there's like so many worse things to dunk on, you know? So that's that's kind of my PSA. And if you need to do it, do it in private. I love a good meme. I love a good joke. Learn from Mickey Stein. Just, you know, operate under the assumption that one day most, if not all of your private communications may become discoverable in a civil lawsuit. Yeah, I bought a Oh, Holman's fair game. Holman is a public figure and he's also um like the worst. So, it's okay if you didn't watch it. Petty and snarky is fine. I really all my only parameter is like physical appearance. We can do better than that.

Um, okay. So, before we get started, yeah, and I know I don't like I'm not trying to do a scold. I love to do a dunk. I've said things in the past and I'm like that wasn't nice. But having said that, we don't want to give them any more reason to call us mean girls. This is actually a true fact. All of Fiend's private communications are cat emojis. Hi, old yeller. I saw um old yellers out of power. I judgy, weren't you out of out of um power? You can make fun of the police. Yeah, you can make fun of the police. We we can make fun of the police. I delete my snarky comment on the Twitter. Sorry. Oh, Laura, you're wonderful. You're beautiful. You're perfect. You're amazing. And again, I hate to I'm not trying to police speech like I think we should all say what we feel all the time, but like in our own time, in our own space, cuz then like we're just giving, you know, opportunity to pick apart and like deflect and they do enough like they do enough that already. Just my ceiling power. What does that mean? What does just your ceiling power mean? Where's Steve? I can't ever be mean. That's okay, Steve. That's not the worst thing. Yeah. What is ceiling power? Hey, math. Lady in the streets mean girl on the sheets. Am I right? Yes, very much so. Height discrimination is so low. What did Kathy Shank say the other night? A 5K to us is a 10K to her. Why do we have to be above it all always? I know. I know. It's frustrating. It's not fair. It's maddening. And the rules don't apply equally. And sometimes we're warranted in our, you know, self-defense mean comments. But #free Ricky. That is the goal. That is the perimeter. Like the lights on your ceiling, but not the rest of the electricity in your house. I don't want to watch what I have to.

Oh, so we are going to try and not get copyright striketh, but they're not going to copyright strike me for a couple reasons, I feel very confident about that. So, um we we'll get into that in a minute, but I do believe them uh they're reasonable. So, that I can't say that for everybody, but I do believe that we'll be fine. Yeah, they did a dumb Alexander. You look so beautiful, An. Thanks. Um, who is this? Interesting. Oh, I know who that is. No, we can cuss. You can definitely cuss. No, no, you can cuss. So, we're going to look at chat. GPT did us a solid. GPT ABCD. Hey Nelly Alexander. Does he look like uh Gerardway? Who is it? Are they emo? Do they look mean but soft inside? Hi Hammy. So good to see Ham Sauce. Hammy, how are you feeling my dear? Everyone say hi to Hammy. Everyone say hi to Hammy right now. Hammy meme. Hammy is the true meme god. Uh Justin, what's his name? Justin uh um My Chemical Romance. Justin Eckles. Jason Eckles is the meme god in Lecher County, but our meme god is Hammy Ham Sauce. If you don't follow Hammy on Twitter, you need to do it. If only for the memes from the Richard Allen trial. Deeb, hi Hammy. Hi Hammy. Look at all the love. Jason Eckles. I just saw my close friend in real life for the first time in years. He came to visit me at my apartment since I'm bedridden. It was nice. I love that ham sauce. Sounds really nice. Where the heck is this? Oh, here it is. Nicholas MC leaking also. Well, never [Music] mind. Thank you for being patient with me, everybody. Loved. Hi, Hammy. Hey, Hammy. Hey, Hammy. Can we make fun of Nick 70s? Yes. I mean, did y'all see the thumbnail for the evening? It was really So, it was really nice of Nick to wear his uh fair use pin on his shirt. I mean, his blazer. And he looked he really dressed up quite nice for this interview, didn't he? For his YouTube uh interview. I already started. I opened the live and said no physical appearance things and I just went full sense straight for Cletus. Whatever. [ __ ] him. Nick is fair game. That feels like appropriate. This is Big Nick. Yeah, mustaches, glasses, and clothes are fair game. Yeah, that feels that feels good.

All right, everybody. Um, we're going to play a couple games this evening. I thought a fun way to do like a recap of the interview with Nick McCleand and Hidden True Crime last night that a lot of us watched. Some of us attempted and couldn't get through it. Some of us didn't even bother. Regardless, there's a good thing for um or there's a really good thing about cranking together because we can do hard things together like watch the state do war crimes on the internet. So, I don't think I don't think so, Angel. But that's a great question. Hey, Amanda DB does love games. Yeah, this is an Easter brunch outfit for sure if I've ever seen one. And that's okay because, you know, it's almost Easter, so it's appropriate. It's appropriate. He has a picnic basket under the desk. He has little baby Belell cheeses that he nibbles on throughout the interview. It's cute. It's delightful. You are blurry. I know. I'm always blurry. O, you watched I watched I did. I watched some. I watched some. I'm setting the over under for what do you means at six him? Hey, Alex Wagner. Him crying was such a [ __ ] person. We are going to watch that part. We are going to watch Nick cry. He cried, I believe, three times. Here's the thing about that. Um, this was pre-recorded. So, that was a uh that was a full conscious and intentional decision. So, that's awesome. Is a hair plug. Although, actually, to be fair, I didn't notice lots of edits in this one. Did y'all? I I actually didn't even notice any edits. Did y'all like I kind of forgot that it was uh pre-recorded. Leave that in. Leave that in. [ __ ] it. We'll do it live. We'll do it live. Yeah. Do y'all get that reference? Maybe not. I told you too I was not interested in that channel. I didn't even know about the interview until I totally support that. I've been psyching myself up to watch. I know it'll be very I will be very mean afterwards.

So, the first game we're going to play is um we are going to go through the interview and we're gonna Oh, I lost my notebook. Um we're going to go through and pick some keywords, keywords and key phrases and we are going to uh like how many marbles in the marble jar. We're going to guess how many of these keywords and phrases uh appear in this year interview. And the winner gets their very own meme. DB is going to make them a meme. So, that's good. DB is really excited about it. Um might even get a temporary uh emoji. So, that's fun. And aliens and Sasquatch did come up in the interview. Kathy was tolerated for three comments before timed out. I purposefully hid the live chat and I watched it like on the television because I was like I don't even want to like one one distressing stimuli is enough this evening. So I didn't see what the chat how the chat was and what the vibe was. But yeah, I'm curious if y'all were in there what it was like. It's an amazing game. Yeah, you make you make enter into a vocabulary 86,000. It's like a 5150. I'm not prepared for the gaslighting. There was fake crying three times. Candy, I can't stand. Oh boy. Yeah, I don't know if I can do this. Says free Ricky. DB couldn't. And DB, by the way, the fact that DB could not watch it is like quite telling because DB is my personal um designated hate watcher. So he does the hate watches for me and then reports back to me like at the end of every week with like a spreadsheet and he we go through and like you know he pulls out like the best jokes and like meme content and you know and then he gets a grade at the end of it. So um so if DB couldn't do it, you know that it was really bad. Nick said I didn't realize I had my Sasquatch t-shirt on until I edited my video. It's meant to be meant to be ML DB will watch anything. Felt compelled to say a few things and post in chat. I didn't read it. I don't think I can watch. It's going to piss me off. Fair. We're going to do it together. We're not going to watch the whole thing. First of all, because that sounds awful. And second of all, because they will, you know, clap us and we don't need to do that. So, let's do it. I I need to get my I have I have a I have a little thingy to write on and I don't know where it is. So, hold on one second.

Okay, found him. So, we have, you know, some like the usual contenders, right? So, the first one I'm thinking, how many times do we think we're going to see this? Am I back? Yeah, I'm back. How many times are we going to see this in the interview? Y'all pick a color. Everybody pick a color. Pick a color. Can you see this? We want to do pinkish, reddish, purple, green, teal. Not going to do yellow cuz I can't won't be able to see yellow. Maroon, blue, a nice like cerulean blue. Green. Green. I was feeling green, too. Um, hey Jake Snider 14. Okay. Wait. Y'all keep track of what you say, but I'm gonna say first time we see how how far into the interview will we be? And if you've already watched, you know, don't spoil it, but do a guess anyway if um you want. How many minutes into the interview are we going to see the family? I already know the answer to this because I did watch the first like four of it. Uh, Matt says 14. Amanda says over 20. DB says black. Wait, there's games about participation ribbons. Even better, DB is going to make the winner of uh tonight's um festivities. A meme or an emoji. 17 12 pink empath versus narcissism green. Social me is going to be social media. Okay. Right. Okay. Sorry.

All right, Start throwing out. Social media. The family. Um, there's another one. Oh, Richard Allen. I I realized that we don't really often hear Richard Allen's name like in the post sentencing press conference. Like, we didn't hear it at all. Ceruan, I'm walking to the dispensary for gummies. We're coming with you. Woman says 69 within five minutes. Within two minutes, within one minute. It's pretty good. Hi, Julie. I only know colors if they're part of the original Pokemon. Two minutes, four minutes, first two minutes. Not even a minute. I'm always with Bob Ross. Sarah, I don't know how we're going to keep track of this game. Y'all can y'all y'all figure it out. I know. Nothing. 20 leaked photos. Oh, yeah. Leak. So, so we're going to do leak and we're going to do um do we want to do more specific than leak? Oh, Odin Gre. Oh, yeah. Odinism. The family of the first one in minute two. Pretty good. Forgive me. Defense attorneys. Yep, defense attorneys is a good one. I think only Lauren will say Richard Allen. Yeah, that sounds right. Oh my god, Dees, you're amazing. What is it? What is this? Names. Bingo entries. Look at him, y'all. You We get to watch him work. You get to watch him in his habitat. Like, you know, did anyone have like those ant farms when they were little or like in school in science class? You know those like ant farms and you could like watch the ants just kind of like do their work and work really hard and like carry stuff and do digs and like, you know, socialize. It's kind of like what's happening here. DB just has to make memes and emojis for each one of us. That's fine. I I think we could probably manage that. or I'll make DB review the comments. Yeah, I agree with this. I think that if we do hear the name Richard Allen, I think that Lauren likes to say it. Um, and I believe that's probably because Lauren legitimately believes Richard Allen's guilty. I don't think she's doing a farce or a fake. I think she really believes that. How about defense lawyers? Yeah, that's attorneys. Are they going to say their names, do we think? Uh, the video. Okay, so we'll reference to the video. So, it's either the video. We'll just say the video crime scene photos obviously. Um, what about like I want to count how many times Nick claims that BG equals Rick Allen. Rick Allen equals BG. Man on the bridge equals Rick Allen. Like I don't know what keyword. We'll figure it out. But I feel like that's going to be like at least like 10. Richard Allen, less than one minute. Devil's advocate. Okay. Devil's advocate. I can't see. Um, oh, yeah, I see Odin, Rick Allen, Fiend, leaks, wherewithal, odd. Nick calls D cutter a [ __ ] Devil's advocate. I thought that said avocado for a second. Oh, it does. DB just has to make me. It's 2013. DB writing comments. Inadequate. Totality. Yes, royalty. Perfect. Hi, Wheat. Royal Wheat is here. Wheat says, "Totality." I was going to say totality of the evidence, but I just think totality is really all we need. We are making a bingo card, my dear. Someone crying, says Hammy. We're going to say Nicholas Mc leaking. Get it out of his eyes. Crying unseasonably. Oh, I was looking for unseasonably um last night when I was or I was like listening for it and he didn't say it. He actually, he said it was like a warmer he's like a he said it like some maybe maybe they're taking our notes and they're trying to do improvements. So that's good. Wherewithal wherewithal wherewithal I don't think that I ever used the word wherewithal. Odinism five defense six. Okay. Mini tribe. The bridge. The bridge. The bridge. Odd. Odd is good. Hi, Post Punk. Supine. Wait, can we just play bingo instead of guessing? Yeah, we can just play bingo, I guess. I don't know how to do that. I should have done that before. I actually started this. Oh, hi Gabes, dude. Okay. Um, there was another one. Oh, where I want to um, what did I say it was? It was so funny. I came up with it in the shower this morning and I just started laughing hysterically. I barely just humor me. Oops. Isn't that funny? I was reading Judg's tweet. Oh, that's not me. That's I was reading. Oh, lying is lying in wait is good. Dean Lauren. Okay, that's that's I'm sure that that there will be Oops, I used my wear. So, how do you do this, Steve? Is there a way that like how do we like disseminate this? This is a good one. Snapchat. Sean, we are live. Solved their own murders. Yeah, solved their own. That feels like enough. I'm not in voice chat. An what the [ __ ] I'm not asking you questions. I'm just talking to you. You don't need to I'm talking I'm speaking to like your essence. Get out of here. Confession. Yeah, confession. Tip. Laura has a good one. Tip. Okay, we're going to start with family. So, here we have it. I really need to figure out dark mode on Google Docs. I did it one time and I haven't been able to do it again. But oh, I did something cool earlier and I forgot about it. Look at this. Hey Deepes, can I take over the screen for a second? I know. So, just put it in there. I see that. Okay. Um, sorry y'all to see that everybody. Share screen. Okay. So, J Jack GPT uh is cool because if you do something like, I don't know, transcribe an interview for example, and you're like, um, hey, chat GPT, I want you to take this entire trans I'm really not going to explain how AI works. I know. We know. But um take this interview and like give me some poll quotes. Give me some good pull quotes. Give me some give me an outline. Give me some pull quotes. And boy did it. Boy did it. We didn't go looking for Richard Allen. He found us again. That's That's wild. That is a wild statement. Not a liar is good, too. Geofence J. Today's not the day. As soon as someone misspells something, I completely lose all tell me I'll be up past my bedtime without telling me. I know. Hot Shards. Hot Shards is a good one. Even if they're not saying it, we know they're thinking it. Ricky instead of Reesei. That's fun. I do that one a lot. Generational trauma. Yes. And misusing it. Cleared itching the family. you. Oh, YouTubers. YouTubers. That's it. YouTubers. I almost said podcasters, but I think YouTubers will probably be more likely to come up. Bingo needs 24. Well, we have 8,000. So, imagine your children. Yeah, think about if you were if it were your children or some kind of reference to like the murders affecting you more because you have children or like I think about my own children, you know, whatever that implication of like if you don't have children, you just don't get it or like I didn't feel anything until I had children. He found us again so you know he found you the first time and Nick does as a mom. Gag order. Oh, gag orders. Good. We're honestly just saying we're like I'm not keeping track anymore. Gaslighting, outpouring of tips, support, outpouring of support, the community. Yes, the community. The community. I also just did another another like we're like tallying like how many lies. I already found like three in the first minute. This is true. A gummy game. Nick is a sociopath quote. Mhm.

All right, let's go. How do I Nope. I'm going to figure it out. Ready? The family 10. Who guessed 10? And it's just it's a mixed bag of emotions. It's a mixed bag of emotions and those things come out mainly because of the family. Just one the family. What else did we say about the family? It's a little bit of emotion behind it because you realize the family see those. They may not even Oh, this part was weird. So, we're talking about how um the very first thing that's mentioned in this interview within about 30 seconds of M Nick Nick opening his mouth um he says the video I thought it was weird that he said aloud that of all the things like yeah the crime scene photos were awful obviously but like the video impacted him the most. I found that to be concerning. I don't know about you, but I just found it to be concerning. I think Eric is guilty besides the lead prosecutor lies all the time. What do you mean? Yeah. So, anyway, um he's talking about how like, yeah, the exhibits are public. He does say that. That's a quote. I recognize that they're public. I, you know, the public, you know, they're public exhibits and they will come out. Well, there you go. We all agree then. [ __ ] release them. You know who you are. So, it's always uh I understand they're going to come out. It's always when they do, it's a little bit of emotion behind it because you realize the family see those and they may not even intend to see them. They may click on something and then it pops up or something or someone sends them something. So, this to me sounds like a parental control problem, not a public access issue. Like this just sounds like I if if the reason if if I'm on the internet and I'm like regularly stumbling upon things that I don't want to stumble upon, there are things that I can do. You know, I can take responsibility for my own, you know, to protect myself from things I don't want to see on the internet. So perhaps we can talk more about parental parental What's going on? I bet it's because I burned the roof off. parental controls, right? I just don't think the families the families like poor grasp on like internet safety and like parental controls should be our problem. So that's not really that's a weird reason. Deemed this bingo card is a [ __ ] show. Um I can Oh, I understand and I appreciate. So Lauren then goes on to say, I did want to quote this because there's a lot of questions about this. Where the [ __ ] is it? Just the opening of this interview is weird. So obviously this interview is pre-recorded. I don't know when. We don't know when, but it was definitely pre-recorded. And they say that what did he say? I just want to share with you, Nick. We actually will probably be going live later today with some new exhibits. that are coming down. By the time we release this interview, we may have already gone live. I want to keep everyone in the in the mind. There might be some new exhibits from the trial that have come out that we might have shared, but we haven't seen those here yet. So, I don't think they have [ __ ] anything. Just saying. But it was really nice of Lauren to tell Nick. And um as you can see, he appreciates the head up the heads up so that he can let the family know. When the cell phone video came out, nobody really knew. That's a That's a true statement. It surprised them. It took them off guard. How do you think that felt for the prosecutor? How do you think that felt to wake up and or not wake up when when did it come out in the afternoon to be told informed? Hey, FYI. Bridge guy videos out and the state didn't release it. That was probably not something that they're used to. I think Nick gave him some of the exhibits. She says she has them, but then she goes on to say, "I haven't seen them yet." So, my guess is that this interview was recorded probably within the last week or so or a week ago. Uh, remember Gaul was like, "Oh yeah, I'm gonna give y'all a flash drive." And then she's like, "Just kidding. Jod's gone away. When will she be back? No one knows." So, I just have a feeling that Do they have them? I don't know. I I I feel like I don't see them sitting on anything for very long, but who knows? Hey, how do they have more exhibits? I don't know. She says she hasn't seen them though. We haven't seen them yet. So maybe they had a plan to go live later that day and uh they didn't get their exhibits. I don't know. It's just Why would Why would you keep that in, you know? Why would you keep that in? Yeah, I I don't I don't I think we can proceed under the like under the agreement like we all agree that 90% of the things said in this are ridiculous, right? Family family. The family seen it. The family has seen it. Okay. End of discussion. He's talking about his own uh his another case he has coming up. Did anyone else think it was weird that Nick um lied about how he didn't know Libby personally before this happened? He made a point to uh basically lie like you are rel you Nick Mleland were related to the Patty family by marriage and I'm not talking like a sixth or fifth cousin like you were mar you you were related by marriage period like that's that's yeah I This is true. Jody took all the exhibit in a thumb drive when he took off. That was odd to me. Huh? Call that a rug pull. Oh my gosh. Hi, DB. You're in my ear. Hello. Yeah, I'm in there. I thought that that was the voice of God, actually. Well, let there be light. How's it going, friend? I'm well. How are you? I'm okay. I'm all over the place tonight. Thanks for doing the bingo card. Is it like done? Yeah, it's great. Everyone Everyone has said really nice things about it. Okay. How does it work? What do we do? You click the link. Where's the link? In private chat. Oh, okay. I just pasted it in there. I guess what the [ __ ] Oh. Um, so does everybody get a link? Like does everybody get their own bingo card? Yeah, it randomly generates it. Oh, so how do we disseminate it? I put it in chat. People already There you have it. I'll paste it again. Oh, I didn't know you're you're amazing. Thanks, Steve. Like, if you guys don't want some of them, I think you can erase some of them like on the left and maybe refresh it. I mean, I didn't research this at all. I just Googled bingo card maker and share. So, and it's called Bingo Bong. So, that's pretty cool, dude. That is pretty cool. Bingo Bong. That is cool. You didn't name that yourself? No, I did name that, but you know, it's kind of the um traditional name is bingo for this game. And so I just I didn't I didn't pick that part. I just added bingo bong. I added bong. I love it. It's great. Cool. I have a link. All right. So, how do we do how do we do it? Should I just kind of start like reading? Click it. Yeah. No, I did. Okay. So, has everybody click on one of the things we just said Odin. So, like click on Odin. When did we say Odin? I just did right now. Go to the left. Well, I don't have Odin on mine. Oh, yeah. Cool. Bing bong. There's one. And then you got to get five in a row. You know what I mean? The middle one's free. Okay, I want that. How come I can't click free? Well, cuz it's it's already clicked. It's already it's already activated. Do you have you never played bingo in your life? Be honest. Bingo. I just haven't done it on I haven't done Ticer, I've played tic-tac-toe. Okay, I invented tic-tac-toe. FYI, got to get ping ponged. Nick weaponizes everything. He doesn't want the truth out because it'll hurt the family. [ __ ] He doesn't want the truth out because it will hurt him and his lies will be exposed. Yep. Should we all have the same Shouldn't we all have the same possible options? Well, no, because everybody should have a different bingo card because because then like someone will say bingo first cuz their card is different than otherwise everybody would get bingo at the same time. You know what I mean? Why is this yours broken? Why is this yours broken? Dude, I I pasted um Ron Loane in there and look it. It made some very odinistic ruins for the Yeah, you did a rune. Well, okay. Debs, I mean, I don't know what to tell you. Go. We should come back to this. Should we come back to this later? Yeah, this is just a joke. We don't have to do it. No, Debs, it's not a joke. It's a really cool activity that we were really excited about together, you know, to do together. Mobile, it's a scam, right, Hammy? I can't do tech without Mullen. You know what? Actually, I'm gonna go develop a mobile app. Um, I'll be right back, guys. Um, perfect. Thank you. That's more like it.

All right. So, in the meantime, okay, what was our next word? How many times do we think he's going to say, "Oh, wait. We didn't finish. I just wanted to protect the integrity of the case. I just wanted to make sure that we had a fair trial. I didn't want the family. I didn't Oh, this is a bad transcription. Oh, we got the YouTube. Oh, Nick knows how to Reddit. I don't think I've heard Rick say Reddit. I mean, Nick say Reddit before. Yeah, actually, this was good. Uh, Post Punk made a really good bingo card for the pod. It's really good. Yeah. So, Nick was worried about a fair trial. He didn't want to sway the public one way or another. You know, he really he can't express it enough. He was really I was really concerned we weren't going to get a good Oh, we found a uh we found a Freudian. We found a Freudian. I actually, you know what? This looks like it's something I want to watch. So, we're going to we're going to do our first fair use together. What is this? A minute and four. Is that what it is? Minute and four. Let's see, Nick. Let's see. You put your foot in your mustache mouth. A a successful collusion. Uh conclusion. Okay, everybody. Minute and four. Here we go. From his his mom and his wife. I think that really I don't even want to know what he just said. That makes him feel safe and he's not getting the validation. Shut the [ __ ] up, John. You're not even a doctor. Yeah. So, that's a really important piece. such a dis. I already started I can't and John you know better but better but better I mean I think that's a common human trait we want people even in our bad things we want people still to like us I think most of people in society we want people to like us even she's going to react in a way that she doesn't love you for someone who's diagnosed with dependent personal objection by Paul in his own uh I do have a question in cell videos so cell videos only there's no audio it's a camera in the middle of the cell is this not lined up right no because I'm looking at the wrong transcript motheruck sorry y'all hold on talk amongst yourselves about how uh rhetorical question is. Is it ethical for a psychologist with a YouTube channel and a show to make comments about the mental health diagnosis to diagnose somebody they've never met, spoken to, or even really studied in any way. I don't know. All right. No, I'm trying to find what what was the jury? A good jury. Yeah, he wants a good jury, y'all. You stupid idiot. So, it's actually at minute 53. That's why. We're gonna get there, y'all. We're figuring it out together. He just wants a good jury, everybody. I just want a good jury. Is that too much to ask? I want a good jury. Thank you for sharing. I I I was really hoping, Nick, that you were going to say you sealed it because you didn't want the world to to to finally understand that Sasquatches are real. No, that's not the reason. You can believe whatever you want. I'm not gonna you for it. If you think they're real, more power to you. Shut up. Um Yeah. So, all right. I I have so many questions here. I've been taking notes. That's why I'm turning. Everyone, just so people know, I I turn and I'm taking notes here. You're doing fine. We had a fair trial. I didn't want honored it, you know. Um again, I thought it was all I mean, this is not a a flashy answer. I mean, I just wanted to protect the integrity of the case. I wanted to make sure that we had a fair trial. I didn't want the family. I didn't want the defense attorneys. I didn't want anybody out there saying, you know, putting all this stuff out on YouTube and and Reddit and all this stuff to try to sway the public one way or the other before we had the trial. I was really I can't express this enough. I was really concerned that we weren't going to get a good not a good jury, a jury who was fair and impartial. I was really concerned that there was going to be so much out there in the public that it was just going to taint any jury pool that we had. Say more about that. We weren't going to get a good jur, not a good jury, a jury who was fair and impartial. I was really concerning. Interesting. Right. Good jury, everybody. I don't even know how I found that. We were We were doing whatever. Defense attorneys, right? That was our next one. Defense attorneys. Two. only two or the defense. We'll do defense attorneys first. I just wanted to protect the integrity of the case. Okay, we just heard that one. What's the next one? Oh, this is Oh, good. This is a Lauren number. Mhm. Okay. What you got, girlfriend? Lauren was really concerned about the defense attorney. So, let's see what she has to say. Prosecution, which I've already truth. I think that came out and you know I'd just like to leave it at that I guess. Yeah, fair enough. Um, you've been on both sides, defense and prosecution which I've already mentioned. We're going to come back to this actually because Nick revealed a lot of things about himself last night that I didn't know and uh we're going to talk about his uh entry into the legal field as a public defender and what he says about why he did that. Um, you said you would have done things differently. I I just have to ask, is it is it common for and maybe it is defense attorneys to sort of uh continue on sort of like playing out these different reasons from Ricky Davis to Ron Logan to others after a conviction, is it? Um, no, it's it's not. But this case isn't common either. And so you got to kind of take that into context as well. And you know, I don't fault the attorneys for doing anything they did. I mean, actually, okay. I I was about to say like [ __ ] Yes, you do fault them. Nick really doesn't talk about the defense attorneys all that much. Like he lies like he breathes, but does he maybe he does? Maybe I've just suppressed it. I I could be wrong. Anyway, regardless, is it common for defense attorneys to um trial attorneys to continue defending their client even after his he's convicted? Yes, Lauren. That's called um the [ __ ] way that things work. You are allowed to continue to zealously defend your client after a conviction. There's a reason that there's a 30-day window for a motion to correct error. Like these are not like novel things. These are not novel things. They're called um this is part of due process. I know that this group of folks struggles a lot with that concept. They think that due process is a personal attack on them. It's not. It's normal. Nick either really doesn't know how anything [ __ ] works or he's just incapable of being honest with himself or anyone else. But I don't think that that's true. Is it common for them to like keep defending him after he's been convicted? Um, if you're not a psychopath, I think that's probably a pretty common sentiment. And some attorneys even do have the, you know, ability to to continue fighting for their innocent client. Yeah. Um, unfortunately for this group of people, like it's not going to stop. Like, we don't live in a society that takes kindly to incarcerating innocent men for 130 years. Like, just because I can't even believe. Here we go again. Like, I can't believe that we have to sit here and [ __ ] even say this. Like, I didn't even think that I was gonna get mad at this because I already watched most of it, but it's pissing me off. It's not that common for defense trainings to continue this long. Mix the trains believe he's innocent. Yeah. And I think that in a lot of cases like that motion to correct error probably could have been five times as long with about double triple as many specific new pieces of evidence. um whatever errors that were would could have result in new trial. Like that was literally the tip of the iceberg of what of of what exists in Rick's case that could and should and in a normal world probably would result in a new trial. So we can literally list errors for days. Hey, Dirty Dino. I'm glad you're having this. Same. Okay, regardless, um, that's just dumb. What were we listening for? Keep getting Oh, defense attorneys. Is it common for defense attorneys to continue on sort of playing out these different reasons after conviction? You have to represent your client zealously. He says, "We're all professionals. I don't agree with the way they did some of the things and some of the things they put in motion, some of the personal attacks. Who started it? Not to be uh a middle school mean girl, but hey, who started it? If y'all don't stop talking about inner liquids, Mav's going to act up. You don't want to see that. You don't want to see Mav acting up. You all better be on your best behavior. This is true. Brady violation. Huh? Let's see. Hey, what do we think, y'all? Is the word Brady gonna appear in this interview any anywhere? Brady. Damn. Been needing to process the [ __ ] show and my therapist isn't for another 12 days. All right, we got you. We got you. Doug Carter started it. Why didn't you ask him why he had the Rick Reesei Davis letters? What did she She She called it Ricky, right? Ricky Davis. Yeah. So, that's a lot of Ricky's. The defense has released some How do I get this box to move? How do I get this box to get the [ __ ] up out my way? It's in my way. I can't move it. It won't let me. Oh, if you let her go long enough, she'll figure it out. All right. Now that we've got that out of the out of the way, Ricky Davis, an inmate, Ron Logan's dead, so he can't say, "Yeah, I confessed to Ricky Davis." Yeah, because that's something that would really happen, right? Is the blood the balloon. The blood moon is on, by the way, the blood moon. Um, also known as the balloon. There's a part in this that I am going to actually play and it's going to infuriate all of us and it's when they talk about this video and uh you know it's so obviously a staged pre-planned interaction because they really want everybody to know about this but Nick's like hey I can't talk about it wasn't admitted as evidence I got no comment but Lauren already said it so there you have it. It's kind of like saying something in front of the jury that gets overruled and sustained and then you're like, "Forget you ever heard that. Damage is done." So, Nikki Nikki does a sneak. All right. Yeah, Ron's dead, so you know, he can't he can't say it happened. This is also funny. The defense had every opportunity to call whomever they wanted to at trial. They had every opportunity to call whoever they wanted to at the three-day hearings to promote their third party motive. No, they didn't. You absolute buffoon. No, they didn't. You You literally eliminate out any and all mention of any of them. So So that's just not [ __ ] true. Yeah, it's the it's the balloon. This is wild that he said this. This is wild. They had every opportunity. This is gaslighting. Like this is gaslighting. Trying to because all of us here have done enough research, have paid enough attention, we know the case well enough to know this is objectively untrue. We watched him file the motion in Lemonade last April and we all just sat back in disbelief that this had happened. And well, first we watched Judge Gaul tell him to file it in her email and then he filed it and we watched her grant it and we all sat back like, "Holy [ __ ] I can't believe that happened. It was a big deal." And everyone was like, "There's no way this stands up on, you know, blah blah blah blah." So, so this is untrue. They were not allowed to. And she wouldn't even allow offers of proof even because they tried. He he said, "I would like to get all this fields in here so we can just crossam like like question him. I just want to see what he says." And she said she literally said in one of the Dave Banger interviews, there was an interaction with with Gaul and Baldwin. I don't know if it was I don't know if the jury was I think the I don't think that it was um at the bench or I'm pretty sure it was just like in the middle of trial, but she literally says third party culprit. Yes. Third party. Third party. What do they call it? Third party evidence. Third party culprit. Whatever. Yeah. Um, there's an interaction between the two of them where she literally says like Andy Baldwin says he'd like to make an offer of proof. He'd like to reintroduce, you know, here. He's like, "This is my renewed request to bring in some of this evidence." And she says to him, "We've talked about this a thousand times." Have y'all ever heard Have we heard that reported anywhere? or he say nope. Nick is the king of the troll farm. He really is. Like he really is. Blood moon got me in her liquids. The balloon, y'all. That's like just not true. He says things that are not true. It's annoying and it's it's it it's it's not reality, but he says it and he says it with confidence and he says it in a pre-recorded interview where nobody can challenge him because that his his the people interviewing him are not going to challenge him. So anyway, that's upsetting. They had every opportunity, you know, they have to play by they have to play like. Nick says they got to play by the rules of evidence just like I do. Nick, do you know what exculpatory means? Nick, have you ever heard of us a little thing called uh Brady Gileio? Can you define can you can you give us a quick uh AI summary of what exculpatory evidence is and what the rules of evidence are as it relates to you a prosecutor when you come across exculpatory evidence the rules of evidence. Let's count how many times off the top of our heads Nick has violated the rules of evidence. Number one, the [ __ ] waited months and months and months to turn over discovery. How many times did they have to file motions to compel? How many times did they offline, which now we know is a mistake? Everything they should have done, they should have done in a motion officially on the record. Duh. But anyway, how many times do we think they were asked for the [ __ ] discovery? Motions to compel, requests for discovery, blah

Blah blah blah. What do we think? Half a dozen, a dozen violated the discovery uh deadline and still probably haven't turned over everything that they had that they should have. What else? Destroying evidence, hiding evidence, boggle shaking the discovery, withholding evidence until September 8th, 2023. Yeah.

Okay, Nick, you tell yourself whatever you got to tell yourself. That'd be a lie. Three-quarters of a dozen. Mhm. They're bound by those and they have an opportunity at least to call Reesei Davis to see if the third-party motive could come in. Did not come in by Ron Logan or Kagan Klein or the O or the Odinism. Throw it in after the fact. Ridiculous. I'm not sure what the strategy was. I'm not sure I agree with it. I'm not sure I agree with it. He says, "You literally said, hey, Baldwin, trial's over. He's convicted. You lost. I won. Kick rocks. Get [ __ ]" That's what he said, basically, in not so many words.

I like how he comes on here and he tries to act like he's this like really dignified and like gracious. Y'all, it's roast time. I don't give a [ __ ]. This [ __ ] is so disingenuous and obnoxious. He's going to really put on his Easter Sunday outfit with his little ponytail and his mustache and pretend like all of us didn't read the way that he speaks to opposing counsel unprovoked. Andy Baldwin has never been anything but gracious to this [ __ ] and professional. Despite the fact that Nick literally tried to have him arrested for something that he didn't even do. He got framed for a crime by Nick. And then Nick said, "Hey, I think you should kick him off the case." And Gaul said, "Okay." And then she kicked him off the case. And then he said, "Hey, I think you should file, I'm going to file an information for contempt." And Gle said, "Okay, let's have a contempt hearing." This [ __ ] is the most petty, vindictive, immature prosecutor or just man, immature person in general. Everything is personal and everything is it's like you can't just say a thing and and have it be so. Like he just says things. He just [ __ ] says things without any proof, anything to back it up. Yeah, he is a good liar because he's been doing it forever and he he thrives in an environment where people just kind of acquiesce to everything that he says and does and wants. I mean, we've all watched the council meetings when he sits there and he just [ __ ] lands. He's just rude. He's rude. He has zero regard for or respect for just others, period. Let alone peers, let alone like it's disgusting. I mean, maybe it was Holman who wanted I mean, I think Holman did want Baldwin arrested, but Nick was the one who brought those, you know, motions and those requests and those bold, you know, great ideas before Judge Gle and to Judge Gal. And she ultimately is the one that, you know, has the decision-making authority here, at least as it relates to the trial. Like, it's just crazy. Yeah. Clip on Nick, certified [ __ ]. Yeah. Can you imagine? All right.

Anyway, Ricky, Ricky, VC, Rezy, you can't pick and choose, right? The state doesn't give any any weight to what Reesei Davis said. And if you do, then Ron Logan, Keegan Klein, and Richard Allen committed the murders. That's what he says. No. No. You know the You know what? I just realized the the misfiring, the misunderstanding, the mis like the the confusion here is I don't think that Nick reads anything that doesn't that he doesn't author himself. So, he probably doesn't know that that's like whatever. Who gives a [ __ ] You can't put Reissi Davis on as a reliable witness who's implicated your client. That seems counterintuitive to your end goal. Reissi Davis. I'm trying to think about how I want to say this. For this man who has been both a public defender and a prosecutor for years, for this man to uh sit here and make a statement like this, and I believe he believes this. I think that he so misunderstands or he's just not interested in understanding how like anything works in his own profession. If he doesn't understand why a confession that implicates three specific people with details about the crime that don't in any way align with his case in chief, if he doesn't understand how that's exculpatory, regardless of whether or not Rick Allen's implicated, then he has no business being a prosecutor or really any anything. Like that's embarrassing if he really thinks that. He's the kind of guy who was like, "No, you said it was like if you misspeak and you're like, 'Oh, I um I can't even think. I'm going to do the thing again. Remember the amputated leg example? I'm not sharp at night. I can't think of it.'" But like he's the kind of [ __ ] who like you'll misspeak and say something on accident and then like you try and correct it and he's like, "No, you already said, you already said." You know, like, dude, life is nuanced and [ __ ] happens and people like for him to pretend like he doesn't understand that is really annoying to me. Yeah.

Okay. I hid evidence but now I'm openly discussing the evidence I hid. Right. He said he didn't read the letters. Bronnie and wifey, I'm in a mood about the moon and my inner liquids. I'm sorry, mama. Bronnie, I love when I love when y'all pop off. This is the This is also true. It's He does understand. Yeah, it's like a willful obtuseness. He plays he he's like really skilled at not understanding things and like not answering questions. The most basic duty of a prosecutor is to not bring charges on [ __ ] cases, right? It's like the bare minimum, dude. Yeah. Reesei talked to Ron, not Keegan. Right. I've been internally screaming all day. Let's keep it going. This is this is this is also interesting because oh, I guess the rules of evidence is his new uh stim word, his new um his new buzzword, right? It was totality of evidence for a while, it was generational trauma for a while, and now and now it's the rules of evidence. So interesting. Our performance at trial. Performance is probably not the right word. No, I think that's the right word. What do y'all think? I think that's I think that's the right word. Yeah, there were times I wanted to yell from the mountaintops, you got it wrong. Wait till you hear this side of the story, but I was just so adamant about not doing that. Really? Like when you [ __ ] blew your load in the pre-trial hearings about the box cutter that was irrelevant? Or how about when you blew your load in June 2023 about, well, we've got no less than five confessions during a safekeeping hearing? You're full of [ __ ] dude. You're so embarrassing. He is literally So, so this is called projection. When somebody um Well, I guess it's not really It's kind of projection. It's like just telling on your damn self. It's just really, really dishonest, icky behavior. What side of the story? Right. This is literally your opportunity to present your side of the story and to do so without crippling and totally handicapping the the opposing side. You won because your opponents basically didn't show up. You won by default, Nick. You didn't win on the merits of your arguments, on your performance, or on the evidence that you had. You won because the defense wasn't even there. That's why you won. And you worked really hard and you had a lot of people helping you set that up. So, I don't even want to [ __ ] pretend like Nick Mclean did anything honorable. Honestly, when I hear even like defense side or like due process friends talk about how Nick Mclean's a really good lawyer, I I want to vomit. How can you say how can you be a lawyer and say something so ridiculous? He's a really good lawyer. Okay. Was Hitler a good painter? Like there's just things that like you don't have to like you don't have to be gracious to people that are totally undeserving of even a shred of of like graciousness. This man is a [ __ ] criminal and he had every opportunity to correct his behavior and instead of doing that, he just doubles down. It's It's sick. Blow your bud. Nick, tell us what time Brad Weber drove down his driveway. E, he's using court transcripts to circumvent the gag order. Not to interrupt, when was that be a gun first brought up? Uh, I think when Liot was on the stand in trial. During trial, whatever day Ligot was testifying about the video evidence. I think he's the one that said that be a gun. How do we know that video was recorded on 21317? Um, the metadata and the celebrate extraction very like explicitly has like all the time and date. I'm not the phone guy, but I just I do know that that in Oh, wait. When it was recorded, I think that it was Yeah, I think the recorded the when it was recorded would be you'd see that in the right timestamp. I don't [ __ ] know. Great question. Evil Alaska, I have no idea. I have no clue. Good lawyers are ethical. It's seven years to go over to go public their side of the story. Their actual evidence never actually increased from the day Allen volunteered to help the case. No, it didn't. He plays the role of lawyer. Well, he's a good used car salesman. And Nick's mind is always on the next. That be a [ __ ] That be a [ __ ] says Noy. We heard rumors early on. Good night, Thomas Scott. Good to see you. The gun that be a gun was before trial. Oh, was it? I don't I just I I remember it. I remember hearing Andrea say that be a gun and my first thought was like, if I were Libbyy's mom, and this buffoon really tried to say that Libby said that be a gun, I'd get up and slap him in the face. I'd be like, "How dare you?" The PCA was stronger evidence in their entire trial. Yes, it was. And 90% of it was totally made up. and just absolutely full lies. The defense has released some things including someone named Reissy Davis, an inmate. Oh, we already got we already did that. What was the other key word we were going to look up? Totality. Just one. Okay. You have to take things in. Oh, DJ. Oh my god. Seeing it in writing is almost worse than hearing it because I think I zone out when he speaks. You know, people get tunnel vision. Project. Project. Project. Project. Let's do this. Let's do an AI for a second. Oops. I just like spiked my mic for phone again. I'm sorry. Has a mom, right? Trial was the first time I heard that via a gun. Lots. Oh, yeah. No, the gun was mentioned in the PCA for the first time for sure. He shall to learn. Is Mav in here? Mav. Mav, you're being summoned in the chat. Mav Hawk to register one, please. Nick's dad was a real-life fireman. All right, so let's talk about projection for a second because I think it's important. This is just this is just goof. This I just did a Cecil y'all is not you know there's lots of different definitions. Um psychological projection everybody. Oh my god, why can't I? There we go. is a defense mechanism where individuals attribute their own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, motives, I'm going to add behavior onto another person. In doing so, they defend themsel against their own unconscious impulses or qualities by defending their existence in themselves and attributing them to others. I'm so glad you asked, thieves. Examples: blaming others for one's own mistakes. A student who didn't study for an exam might claim the teacher failed to teach the material properly. An employee who frequently talks about others might accuse a colleague of spreading rumors about them. Yeah, this one, this bottom one is more in line with what I think of. Interesting. Oh god, of course it was Freud. Freud, you [ __ ]. Love it. DB actually really likes Freud. We were just talking about Freud. Freud is his favorite. Freud is his favorite silly guy. When people project their feelings onto others, generally speaking, they do this so they can avoid facing difficult emotions they feel themselves. I This is again a very Freudian definition. Uh, I feel like we could even just dumb this down. Like I don't think it has to do with feelings. I think it has to do with like secondary game and gain. And it is a defense mechanism, but it's not to defend Nick from his own personal, you know, discomfort and and grappling with his No, it's to literally pro protect him from the consequences of his behavior and his conduct. And when I say him, I mean them. It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by six. They're full of [ __ ] and say what they want you to believe. Liars. It upsets me. Innocent people get a death sentence, basically. Jake Snder, you're so right. Jake Snider just like constantly dropping bombs. Truth bombs. I do like this girl. It's your fault. I know. I know you would like him. Yeah. And Nick is a sociopath, so his his motivations are a lot more practical. Basic baseless accusations. Accusing someone of something despite having no reason often due to your own insecurities or your own I would say or your own guilt, right? Um bullying, helicopter parenting. No, no, no. Blameshifting, baseless accusations. I don't know if I like this anymore. I think this is a little too um Freudian. Anyway, this is something that we see a lot in this case because this case at the end of at the end of the day. Don't say that a Snider drops bombs. Half of Carol County Sheriff's Department will be awoken. That's funny. That's a good point. That's a really good point. Pointing a finger at others while finger pointing back at you. Right. Well, so we talked about Darvo, like Darvo in terms of like politics or Darvo in terms of like, you know, the criminal justice system. [Music] I'm getting distracted um going down rabbit hole. So, let's let's not do that. Okay, moving right along. Who gives a [ __ ] Freud was probably on to something, but he was also a weirdo. That's okay. Isn't Darvo the bunker they find at the end of the season? Yes. Firecrackers. I'm going to go to sleep. Watch this tomorrow and be mad. Okay. Good night. Good night, everybody. So, we only have one totality. What about What was it? Where? I don't know if I know how to spell that word. Is that the right way? Wherewithall. Wherewithall. Yeah, I did spell it right. Zero wherewithalls. No way. Interesting. I would have thought that we'd get like we'd have like at least one. Okay. Zero wherewithalls. Um, weird cat with all social media. Social media zero social media. What a might say wherewithal n YouTube 8. Okay. Let's see. Think about the logistics. Okay. What are you talking about? You can't go to You can't go take a jury. Oh god. So, this is remember two nights ago I was screaming about how the defense filed a motion for um for the jury to view the scene and then they withdrew it and we were like, why? And they're like, "Oh, because the because of security limitations and logistics." And then we also recalled that they have 35 extra law for like outside law enforcement agencies assisting them for this month-long trial. And they spent over $700,000 on extra security. And they tried to argue that Mhm. Uh, this makes no [ __ ] sense. I want to say yes. After sitting in trial and hearing this very detailed timeline from each witness and then going to the trial myself and take taking each different walk, yes, Richard Allen was bridge guy. Thanks, Lauren. Lauren solved it, y'all. Lauren solved it. And Dr. John says, "Yeah, it made a lot of sense to us," meaning myself, my team, the my investig the investigators, we're familiar with the area. Once you I don't know if this happened to you, but I talked to other people. Once you go out there and physically walk there and see it, this is what they're talking about. Really kind of makes things start to click. That's hard to do in a jury room. We tried to use drone footage. We did the best we could. Yeah, you sped it up two times to fit your timeline. Then you got caught. Yeah, it's difficult to put boots on the ground. It makes it a lot easier. We're a lot a lot of us are visual people. We know you're a visual person, Nick. I'm glad to hear that when you walked out there, it made more sense to you. Yeah, made more sense to me. Okay. Well, you just said that because a lot of people like, well, where would they have gone? I'm a very visual person. Multiple roots, multiple drives, makes sense. They're just saying things. By the way, this is this is word salad because a lot of us have also gone out there and it makes literally zero [ __ ] sense cuz I can't read. They're glazing each other really hard. Yeah, it's perform. It's all performative. This is a show. Remember y'all, staging, staging is the key to all of the things in this case. Staging the crime scene. I believe that 100%. Staging the investigation, making it look like they're doing one thing when they're not. Staging a trial, staging a tip that staging a found tip. It's literally all fake. Many people walk the bridge. I don't believe that Rick Allen is guilty. Rayette, I'm with you on that. Yeah, the BIOU guy was awesome. What did he say to the comover prosecutor guy? They know a lot of people will never go out there themselves so they have a free license to lie. Correct. Nick blamed the YouTubers with lack of boundaries to I'm I'm in taking the jury out there when honestly it's because the jury would realize the murders could Right. So they're saying, you know, I went out there myself and as soon as I went out there and walked it, it all clicked. It was hard for me to to understand at first, but once I got there myself, then it clicked. Okay. Well, the majority of the population won't have the opportunity. So, they're just going to have to take your word for it, and they can't fact check you. Staging a mislabel. It's called a con game. They feign confidence. Exactly. Yeah. USA Lib, I have missed you, Deeps. Haven't you missed USA Lib? And they just they just [ __ ] roll in here and start spitting. Love it. Making sense of suppressed objection. You're taking that out of context and that's not very good of you council. Yes. So he blames an for everything always. Lauren walked out there with high heels and Mav drunk. I did a frighten unto him. Mav missed me, too. This is just such a croc of [ __ ] [ __ ]. I went there multiple times. And it also makes sense. People will ask, "Why didn't you take the jury out there?" I mean, the bridge is really different now. You know, you can't just you can't just take a jury onto that very scary bridge. It's complicated. The bridge is not different now. It's literally not. It's literally not. And the other thing about this that's hilarious is that they could have just not [ __ ] touched the bridge and waited until after the trial to do their little revamp of the bridge and they made a conscious decision to alter the bridge, i.e. the crime scene after they made their arrest. So, let's not pretend like it was just damn, it's just too different now. It's literally the same. It just has a floor instead of planks and guardrails so that you don't die. Right. It's not like there's a strip mall there now. It's literally the same. I went to the woods and now I'm convinced some random dude is guilty forever. Good logic. Right. Right, Brooke. Right. Well, I walked it myself and it just made sense. That That doesn't make any [ __ ] sense. Like, what do you mean you went and now you and now you get that Richard Allen's Bridge? That doesn't make any sense. What is it that she thinks you have to see in person to understand? Bridge is not a crime scene in my opinion. I I agree with this actually too. I don't know if I always did, but nothing happened on the bridge that was legal or criminal. I don't even think that Well, yeah. No, we do convict people on vibes in Indiana, apparently. Maybe the jury should have been taken there. I 100% think that they should have been. I think it was a huge colossal mistake to withdraw the motion for the jury to view the scene because even if and when Gold denied it, they could have had another on the record. He just said the bridge is a crime scene, so don't copy me. Why? What do you mean once? Okay. Was that the first time? Right. The gun rack was on the bridge. They still haven't proved bridge guy. Nope. Sure [ __ ] haven't. I am less convinced now than I ever was that that a kidnapping occurred. At least not anywhere near the bridge. Yeah. I don't know. It's not a crime to walk a bridge. Exactly. Exactly. Bridge guy is not even bridge guy. There's nothing unique about him. He has no face. Correct. But what if he was walking with purpose? Where are the jurors? In my opinion, they were paid actors. Otherwise, they'd be talking after hearing all this stuff. DB Royal Wheat, our Wedi one, is asking if you watch Severance. Anyway, but think about the logistics of trying to do that, especially with the publicity that this case has and especially with the lack of boundaries that some podcasters and YouTubers have. There's no sense of, hey, this is a criminal proceeding. This is a professional setting. There's no sense of decorum. What do you mean decorum? What are you talking about? What is he talking about? He literally just went from why it wouldn't be, you know, feasible or helpful or appropriate to take the jury to the crime scene and now he's talking about podcasters and YouTubers having no uh decor no decorum. What? They're literally outside of their hotel grilling with the baiff. So I don't even want to talk about decorum and boundaries. Let's talk about boundaries, Nick. relative to the one of the victims. Relative. Let's talk about boundaries. Let's talk about boundaries. You as a prosecutor are operating and acting as if you're a victim advocate, which is not your job. And believe it or not, a victim advocate is a literal credential. It's a profession. Don't piss me off, Nick Mclean. Victim advocate is not just a cute little title that you give yourself when you're being nice to a victim and lending a shoulder for them to cry on. It's a literal profession. It's a credential. Cost a lot of [ __ ] money to get it and a lot of training and you are the opposite of qualified to call yourself a victim advocate. Nonetheless, at no point do you want to bet that at no point did anyone in Nick Mclean's office inform the victims that there are resources and free victim support through the [ __ ] Department of Justice. Okay, there is more than enough support, but it's the job of the prosecutor's office to find it and to facilitate that. It has nothing to do with size of your office or the fact that you're a small county. Are you that that actually would probably get you more aid and more support because you don't have the availability in your own county. Like, so that's [ __ ] [ __ ] First of all, it it that is literally uh I don't think that you're allowed to say that you're credentialed and qualified in something that you're not. So, there's that. And I also don't think that it's appropriate for the prosecutor to be calling and texting the family when we know for a fact that the family wasn't even cleared ever. Their DNA wasn't even te the [ __ ] DNA in the hair in the girl's hand in Abby's hand wasn't even tested until the month that the trial was to begin. And guess whose it was? A family member. So don't even talk about boundaries because a couple YouTubers and podcasters wanted to visit the scene in person and see it for themselves. There's nothing wrong with that. Now he went and pissed me off. He's manipulating them as their advocate. Yeah, maybe Kathy Shanks also volunteered to be a victim's advocate. I think it's really interesting that there's a whole lot of volunteering going on like the week of the trial. Yeah. Did he ever talk to Carrie? Probably not. They never name her. Notice that they never name her. They'll name Anna sometimes, but they won't name Carrie. It's not an oversight, FYI. It's not an oversight. They have very clear instructions as to how and what they are to do and not do. Carrie doesn't get to be mentioned. If you don't appeal, you won't test the DNA. I'm still suspicious of Kagan Klein because he was supposed to meet the girls that day. His own psych Rick's own psychologist visited the bridge. This is such a good point. God, I [ __ ] love Chelsea. God. Uh, Chelsea, Debbie and I were talking about you the other day. Not in a weird way. You tweeted something or maybe it was a live chat. Debbie, do you remember what it was? We were just talking about how Chelsea is like such a just a appreciated much needed force for goodness in the crank world because Chelsea just makes me want to be a better person. She handles she handles the most unsavory, ridiculous [ __ ] with like so much class and she'll just like throw facts at him and she's just like, "Hey guys, just a reminder, you're probably going to convin, you know, have better luck bringing somebody over to this side of the truth when you're not calling them like [ __ ] stupid idiot morons in your tweet, you know?" Like, damn, you're right. Anyway, this is a good point though. Nick has the audacity to talk about boundaries uh and how that's just not, you know, there's no decorum. There's just no sense of, you know, decorum and boundaries. Okay. There's just everybody stay off this public trail for the next three hours. No drones. I mean, I just don't see how you could do that in a way where you don't run the risk of tainting the jury or having someone trying to film the jury. We had people trying to film their license plates. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. Okay. Juror, uh, juror follower, whoever got pulled over. Like, this happened because we heard it on the scanner and we heard the jury the juror talk about it. So, we know that there's a person out there somewhere who basically had their civil rights violated big time for no [ __ ] reason. But yeah, more flies with honey than vinegar. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Know, she literally said she she's Lauren's like, "I went out there a ton of times. I've driven it. I've walked it all so many different times." And then like in the next sentence, they're like, "It's so like there's no boundaries or decor or decorum. YouTubers and podcasters just go to the crime scene." Lauren, sister girl, you're a [ __ ] YouTuber, which is fine, by the way. That's actually fine. And it's also fine that you went to the scene, but don't disparage people going to the scene as YouTubers when you literally just [ __ ] said that you did it. Like, am I in crazy world? This is what gaslighting does. It makes you feel like, you know, that that feeling that everybody probably has as we're reading this. you just feel like disoriented and like you just you don't even like have the words and you just you just want to like unzip your skin and like put it you know what I mean? You're like this is not real life. Am I crazy or are you crazy? Yeah. Am I insane? The answer is no. You're not. But that's what gaslighting does. Imagine. Imagine now. Imagine. Imagine you're a parent or a caregiver of a murdered child and you're vulnerable and you're afraid and confused and traumatized. And then you've got a prosecutor cosplaying a victim advocate. That's a problem because for starters, a victim advocate, their number one and only concern is the dignity and autonomy and safety and and [Music] and wellness and the rights of the victim. So, you're not thinking about the integrity of the case and thinking about the case and also being a victim advocate. No, no, no, no. That's not appropriate or even possible because you know that Nick Mclean everything that they did was to further or buffer or bolster their own investigation. I think they learned early on that they could benefit from the victim's families being dependent on them, but that's just really not appropriate. I'm always oriented. Hey, who's your daddy? Lauren's on video literally trespassing. Right. It's the balloon. The blood moon. She means other YouTubers. Right. Right. Right. Right. I didn't mean other YouTubers. It's ridiculous. So, I get disappointed and pissed. Alert and or oriented. Times three. A self-obsessed prosecutor. Why do they see themselves differently? Because of the mental condition. Is that it? Um, so we get accused a lot of existing in an echo chamber, right? That's something we hear a lot. And I think it's something to examine and be aware of and be conscientious of. Uh, it's one thing to like associate with and and do like fellowship with like-minded people, but it's another thing to like totally shut out any and all differing or dissenting views or opinions or belief systems. So that is why that's what they say about us. I believe that's a little bit of projection because has Nick Mclean or any of the investigators or anyone involved in the trial uh they did some legacy media so that's fair but have they ever considered talking to someone or being interviewed by someone who might not like kiss their [ __ ] asses and and like [ __ ] And what's it called? Softball. What is it? Softball. Questions. A victim's advocate should be someone with re real mental health experience, not someone who authorized the torture of a innocent man and then says it's okay because Indian is a state, not a nation. Can you screenshot this and then store it in the appropriate location so that I can access it and revisit it later? because this is really good. Law enforcement would have loved to arrest you for the murders, but they found nothing. I've been there and still going through it. I love you, old yeller. I know. And you're amazing. I'm proud of you. PTSD is real. I work as a patient advocate. I'm sure Nick would think he is one because he told an employee the insurance company they have. Hey, but why though? And I emailed you. Thank you very much. I will look. I I'm really bad about checking my email. Thank you for telling me. I will look. All my liquids at the top and doing a sleuth. Nick was crying without tears. We're all bisexual and ADHD. This is also true. HTC is not like other YouTubers. Andy has asked for interviews with everybody. Andy Andy K. Correct. There you go. This is a decompression chamber. It's true. Hi Sally. Tone down the rhetoric. If you don't like it, leave. Lauren's a really bad interviewer. Um, everyone who has interviewed the state and prosecutor and law enforcement, like they've all been, they're not interviews. That's the problem. They're really just um staged press releases is what they are. They're not authentic or genuine or um inquisitive or curious or really probing or furthering the conversation or the discussion in any way. So yeah, I agree with that. I don't know if she's she is bad or if she just chooses to basically be this way. I mean, I think she probably cuz I remember Hidden True Crimes Lorie Valow coverage. Now, granted, like I really didn't pay attention to a lot of cases back then. I had so much ignorance about everything. I like I thought that I had a healthy understanding of like injustices within the criminal justice system, blah blah blah. I had no [ __ ] clue. So maybe I would feel differently now going back and like rewatching their Lorie Valow coverage, but I watched it and I didn't think that she was bad then. Like I thought their conversations were quite interesting and intelligent. So I think that this is very much like much like the murder sheet. I act I used to listen to the murder sheet before they touched deli or maybe they had done like one deli uh episode but I listened to them back when they were actually doing episodes on the things that they like they their little murder restaurant sheet. I was like that's kind of a fun quirky weird super weird and nerdy like thing. Okay, I could do a murder sheet on the way to work. I didn't think that they were bad interviewers or podcasters or anything. The problem is they're not operating authentically and they're not like they have a very specific like they're bought and paid for. They're they're basically employees, you know? So like it's not this is all just performative. It's all performative. The way they speak now is challenging to listen to. Very condescending. I need a normal tone of voice for an interviewer. Oh, well now I won't. You won't like there's a lot of things I'd rather do than but like before Delph and even their Mike Thomas interview, the first one that they ever did with Mike Thomas, I mean it really was just more of an organic conversation. I think that like it could have been like, you know, shorter and whatever, but still that was interesting to I was like, "Okay, at least they're like investigating. They're inquisitive and they're curious." I don't know when like the switch, same with hidden true crime. Um, I don't know when the switch occurred, but there seems to be this kind of pattern of behavior where I think that the state basically buy like purchases their loyalty through access. What's it Sunday? I think he's probably DJing. Um, they p they basically purchase the loyalty of their little propaganda machines by I think they they utilize access and they utilize emotional manipulation if that works on I think that certain podcasters that's like feudal. I don't think that they have any of those. So, it's it's access. It's all about like what have you done for me lately? It's all um what's it called? Transactional. So, yeah. Anyway, I digress. Yeah. No, so anyway, this makes a lot of sense. Yeah, we couldn't go to the the crime scene because um drones, huh? You know, we don't want to taint the jury with drones. No, no drones. I don't think you could do it without, you know, you're definitely going to get people harassing and trying to film the jury. No one cares about your dumb, stupid, [ __ ] basic ass jury. No one gives a [ __ ] about the jury. No one wants to see the jury. No one wants to see the jury. I don't want to see the jury. I don't want to hear them. I don't give a [ __ ] about what they have to say. I don't respect them. I don't care about the jury. I want to see Rick Allen. No one cares about the jury. Good night, Jake. I feel like it's easier to talk about cases where the defendants are shitty people. for sure. Anyway, we had people trying to film the license plates and follow them. That's not true. Do you think for a second they're not going to hesitate to go on the trail and hide in the woods? What? What? I want to hear this one. I have to hear this one. Do you mind that I'm like all over the place, y'all? Of course not. You know what this is by now? What? 49 minutes. Oh my god. They're going to hide in the woods. They're going to jump out of the woods at you. Huh? They're going to do a They're going to do a They're going to do a They're going to do a peekaboo. Drones and deics. Oh my. No one has ever tried to see the tree yet. We don't care about the tree. HTC thinks that truth and transparency was filming plates. This format works with my ADHD. Okay, good. We give a [ __ ] about the prosecution not being slimy as [ __ ]. Rambo Bambo. Hello. We're crouching. We're doing a crouch. Nick is always talking about an specifically. True. Look at Dr. John. What do you think he's thinking? You think he's bored? You think he's like, "God, I wish I had a bigger part in that." Or no, he's thinking like he's just thinking about Sasquatch. Honestly, he's like, "God, I want to go watch my Sasquatch program." With the publicity that this case has, and this is going to enrage me, so I'm going to mute myself. Sense when you're out there. And it also makes sense. People ask, "Why didn't you take the jury out there?" I It's I mean, the bridge is really different now. You know, you can't just you can't go take a jury onto that very scary bridge. Um, so that's complicated, but think about the logistics of trying to do that, especially with the I already lo I'm already out. Think about the Now think about the logistics of trying to do that. Let's think about the logistics of trying to do that, but we're going to do it a little differently. We're going to use logic and reason and facts and we're going to stay grounded in reality when we do it. At no point did the defense attorneys or Richard Allen include in their motion for the jury to visit the crime scene that they wanted them to cross the bridge. At no point did they ask for the jury to cross the bridge ever. Ever. That was never even requested. But notice they're making it about that and it's not. This is distraction. This is deflection. This is psychological game playing. I tweeted something earlier that I want to bring up after we watch this clip because I really am curious what everybody else thinks, especially if you if you kind of watched the whole thing or even like most of it. Um, like they are the first jury ever in the history of ever to visit a crime scene, right? Because this case continuously is treated as if it is the most special, unique and important and complicated. But both sides do this. Both sides do this. They over complicate. I think that the prosecution does it for, you know, their own everybody has their own motivation, I guess, but the prosecution does it in a very like manipulative kind of gas lady way. But the defense has over complicated everything too. There are some things that are just simple that that should have and could have been said and done and and just weren't. And why are we over complicating things? Yeah. Right. Can the jury not see like whole men? Right. Actually, they they should cross the creek to be fair. Can you imagine John being your therapist? So John, he's a forensic psychologist, right? So he works for the state. He ain't he ain't Yeah. If he's your therapist, you're in trouble. You're you're getting convicted. Nothing occurred on the bridge, so being on the bridge is not necessary. Nobody said that it wouldn't be hard. The question is, is it better or not for the jury to be the only people who don't understand the geography? DB, can you screenshot that one, too, please? And store it in my special folder. Thank you very much. You can bring the entire [ __ ] Allen County criminal justice system to Carol County with 35 agencies and you're talking about logistical challenges. DB, can you screenshot your own comment? Thank you very much. Streamyard needs to get like, you know what would be nice if StreamYard had had a feature where you could like star chats and I don't know, they'd like save them somewhere for you to like have an access. You know what I mean? DB, write a program for that, please. They brought the jury to three separate locations in the Ingolf Turk case on Friday morning. They they do it all the time. And actually, the fact that the crime scene is literally two miles away. They literally brought the entire you you brought Allen County to Carol County. So crazy. He looks like the but the flooring of the bridge. We know people from other continents that have visited the crime scene. Nick's thing is over an hour long. His thing. Oh, this interview. You mean Lauren's use of Rick Allen is an unfair use and abuse of an innocent man. Yeah, I agree with that. Rick has been used by everybody. Everybody. What kind of psychology does he practice? So, he does forensic evaluations of individuals. I believe I don't know if he does compet I'm not sure if he's like does for like legal competency or you know more like a like I don't know but I know that he does forensic evaluations for individuals to assess for probably for competency and and something else. I doubt that he is I mean, look at him. What do we think? Is he more often than not a state expert or defense expert? He's a cop. An expert witness. Yeah. For probably for the state, right? [ __ ] me up, Doc. We can drive on private property if we want to. It is absurd. for the prosecutor in this case to pretend like the crime scene being private on private property is like a hindrance or a barrier or an obstacle. What about women that are murdered in their [ __ ] homes? That's Yeah. And and by the way, you literally go into people's homes without probable cause all the time because you just wanna. So like don't do that, you know. Anyway, let's watch this. I forgot even what it was. It's just gonna the publicity that this case has and especially with the lack of boundaries that some podcasters and YouTubers have. There is no sense of, hey, this is a criminal proceeding. This is a professional setting. There's no sense of decorum. There's just everybody stay off this public trail for the next three hours. Yeah. No drones. It's not the [ __ ] Eiffel Tower. It's not like [ __ ] uh uh it's not the Empire State Building. It's not the Statue of Liberty. It's not like a landmark where there's like drone activity and tourists and [ __ ] like, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Courtney and I spent four [ __ ] hours at the trails on like a Sunday. We didn't see one other [ __ ] person. I don't believe that psych as a psychologist. No, he he does not um medicate or prescribe. I mean, he's not supposed to, but then again, Nick's not a victim advocate, and he doesn't let that stop him. So, yeah, I'm behind the chat. I'm sorry. Yeah, boundaries. Mhm. Such a show of an argument. Oh, aunt. Oh, aunt. Tell me one lack of boundary thing that happened during the trial. M well the jurors were [ __ ] sitting in Nick's seat. Sitting in a seat grilling outside with Jason and [ __ ] hanging out with G and calling her Fran. What do you mean? They just say [ __ ] The trail is a shrine to these people. They are perverts. Also, the government often says, "Hey, you can't go here for the next hours or days or months." Yeah, they literally close off entire national parks for [ __ ] Like, what are you talking about? You're not the center of the universe. The jury would have probably enjoyed the fresh air. Sorry, I'm losing my voice again. I mean to be like lemon in your ears. Jury would have probably enjoyed the fresh air, but they're making it sound like this was a huge deal for us, right? How's Ang's back doing, guys? I've missed it every time. Andrew Lauren thinks she's a Someone somewhere on the internet internet might do XYZ. He's a psychologist, not a psychiatrist. But yes, psychiatrists a lot of times can prescribe. Nick is so self-aware and just talk New Yorker. Um, did France stay in the hotel? Wait, didn't we hear something about Oh, yeah. In one of the articles we read recently, we learned that Frangle was staying in a hotel. I don't believe it was the same as the jury, but we don't know, maybe it was. And she literally had them move her to another hotel because she said that a YouTuber was like on the same floor as her or something. So like this is absurd. Nick is feeling 10t tall and bulletproof. Well, to you, Cathy, everybody's 10 feet tall. Definition of decorum. Witnesses lying about timelines, edited and manipulated videos, allowing volunteers to read confidential depos and view evidence, making suggestions to law enforcement. That's called undecorum. Hi, Jimmy Woo. That's a good comment, too. Nobody pushed for the jury to go. We just knew it was obviously better for a jury to get to see a complex crime scene. Yeah, I wish that they did. USA live. I don't know why they didn't for some reason they withdrew that and I don't know why she was in the in two hotels. One she panicked because some lawyer from YouTube was staying in the hotel. You're right. It wasn't even on the floor. It was just in the hotel. It's just another example of how this investigation and trial should have been better. I agree. Going to take more than that notch in your belt to keep your pants off when karma comes for you.

What? That's awesome. I love that. Okay, we're going to get through this 30 second clip, y'all. I mean, I just don't see how you could do that in a way where you don't run the risk of tainting the jury or having That's because you're not very intelligent, Nick. But fortunately, you're not the one that would have to figure that out. So, it's all good. You don't even have to worry your pretty little mind.

Someone trying to film the jury and put I mean, we had people trying to film their license plates and follow the jury buses. I know we all know this already and I'm being repetitive and annoying, but it's important to stay rooted in reality when you're being gaslit. Um, this is a lie. You could do that in a way where you don't run the risk of tanning the jury or having someone trying to film the jury and put I mean, we had people trying to film their license plates and Wrong. Nobody tried to do that, Nick. Wrong. Nobody tried to do that. Follow the jury buses. And do you think for a second they're not going to hesitate to go out in the trail and hide in the woods and wait just so they can get that next, you know, that extra click on their website? Or I mean, this case had so much sensationalism. It's crazy. That extra click on their website. Is that a [ __ ] sweep? What does he think he's like a sweep stakes? What is he talking about? Is he a hundred? I actually am starting to believe him when he said that he doesn't do social media. What are you talking about?

This is also a great point. Thank you, Skinny. I I I've said that when we last talked about the stupid [ __ ] jury van fabricated, curated, invented, staged incident, right? This fake incident that didn't actually really happen or mean anything. So, think of a jury van traveling down a highway. They have like some security, you know, around them or whatever. A caravan, if you will, as if they're like the president. Okay. So, if I'm in my vehicle, in my car, in my lane, traveling down the same highway, and I'm see the jury van in the caravan, and I'm like, that's interesting. What is that? I am literally allowed to take my phone, I'm in the passenger seat, and film it if I [ __ ] want to. That's not illegal. I can film a juror van. You spent $5,000 on window tints. What do you give a [ __ ] if they film a jury? Just like I'm allowed to film Taylor Swift's caravan uh driving down the road, filming uh the president of the United States caravan going down the road. Like I'm allowed to do that if I want to. No, he's talking about that. He's talking about that, but also filming jury's license plates. The fake call they tried to report like, "Oh, yeah. another fake thing that like didn't happen. Why would anybody want to do that? Hm. Why would anybody want to harass or intimidate or or or [ __ ] with a juror? Why? That's not a thing that people do. I said in the passenger fe uh seat feed. Excellent. Good reminder, Fiend. We cats follow all traffic laws. By the way, the juror said that they were in a 90 mile per hour car chase. So they put the juror's lives and the lives of the public at risk for this [ __ ] Yes, 100%. And they do that. They do [ __ ] like that constantly, too. The juror is like, "Oh my god, it was crazy." Like she's acting like they're being pursued by like an armed asalent. She was a what was she a what? Purdue Indiana University. I don't know where she was. She was a [ __ ] college student. And she was probably not even filming them. She's probably just like changing the song or [ __ ] with her GPS or she just had like a her phone mounted on the dashboard. They're very self-important and they're so paranoid. We have no no idea who she was. Yeah, he knows he's gaslighting. Of course he does. And he actually he really so there were a couple there actually there were a lot of instances in this interview where I saw Nick ve come across he was like very weak and unsure and like like he didn't really have the he really didn't seem in his element at a lot of points in this interview. But once he starts doing a gaslight or doing a um like rewriting history he really he really sparkles and shines. He gets his his hand movements going and he's like, "You got to think. I mean, come on. Think about the logistics of it." And it's like, "No, he just said that as if it wasn't a YouTuber calling in a SWAT on another YouTuber. The cops literally detailed Lena, detained Lena."

Yeah. To be fair, being on that jury will be the highlight of her life. I mean, she did get to sit in Nikki's chair. Is it normal for jurors to be so secret? It's normal for the jury to be like their identities are protected throughout the trial and like you can't film them and publicize them and blah blah blah during the trial. Once the trial is over, no, no one gives a [ __ ] And also like it's not normal to like hide the jury from like plain view. That's insane. Trials are supposed to be public and jurors are members of the public and they are sitting on a jury at a public trial. There's no reason that it's being there. Yeah. I don't know. It's all a show. It's all a game. It's all a ruse. Yeah. And we do we need to protect a jury at all costs because as these trials, criminal trials start to be played. Lauren, tell us more about what you know about criminal trials, please. That's why we're here. out, you know, in public opinion, you know, on YouTube and uh the rhetoric gets so strong and so frightening that we there's a chilling effect. I talk about this with jurors, potential jurors, where they're going to be afraid to share what they really think if they realize that someone's going to find out who they are or their identity is going to come out. And so, it is so important to protect. So, naturally, the one juror that does speak out decides to do so on the number one doxing podcast of all time. That makes sense. juries and jurors as uh more and more criminal trials are being played out uh on YouTube and public opinion is becoming so strong. Not a not a thought behind those pretty eyes, at least not in that [ __ ] sentence. What did she just say? Uh do you know that Court TV has been live streaming criminal trials for [ __ ] decades? There's an entire there's an entire Did you know there's an entire channel dedicated to the coverage and streaming and reporting on criminal trials? It's called Court TV. I think I've seen you on it once before actually. Not the rhetoric. They knew by watching IP history who to send letters for jury to in my that's not a crazy opinion. There's a lot of issues with the jury um questionnaires with the jury selection. The juror's latest graduating class from prison school. So busy manipulating videos and playing pocket jury to read the Reesei letters, right? Uh you're a YouTuber, ma'am. You sure are. You're also a YouTuber who uh you're literally the YouTuber that you were just criticizing who has no boundaries who goes to the crime scene. Hasn't he heard about Vinnie pots and pans? But yeah, I I I get it. I hear you. So, Richard Allen uh is arrested. Oh, okay. Back to uh I don't even know what we're doing anymore. Oh, wait. YouTube. YouTube. [Laughter] No facts, just slides. This is funny, too. I want to save that in my folder that doesn't exist as well. We are talking. That's terrifying. But leaving Keegan on the streets for years and imprisoning people and go stealing journalist cameras, people saying they'll kill Rick. That's not scary. Right. Right. Tone down the rhetoric. Why no mention of the Williams family? None. Yeah. We got to protect the jury from the YouTubers. Mhm. Okay. This is when Dr. John Dr. John just really wants to talk about Dr. John is the only even remotely pleasant moment, which is hilar I can't believe I'm saying that. But Dr. John just wanted to talk about Sasquatch. I was like, "Girl, you're so mean for that." Like, you're so mean for that. But anyway, he really wanted to talk about Sasquatch. But anyway, a psychologist who believes in Sasquatch. So, as if those things can't coexist, get out of here. Um, this is not a flashy answer. Oh god, what was the question? The gag order. Steal sealing the probable cause was one of the was one thing. Tell us your thought process when you decided to put a gag when Look at this. when you prosecutor Mleen decided to put the gag order in place. What's funny about the way that like what's funny about her saying this is that like it's actually true. It was like yeah, he literally basically dictated and decided uh how this was going to play out. Mhm. Yep. Pretty much. God, the softball questions. Yeah. When you decided to put the gag order in place, family honored it. What do you should we listen this part? I want to see what cuz she she doesn't correct herself, does she? They're all fine and good with that with that statement that Nick decided to put the gag order in place. Mhm. Okay. The family honored it. the [ __ ] they did. Which, by the way, you the you you really can't and shouldn't gag the family. That's not why a gag order exists. So, I don't really care that they didn't honor it. But they didn't honor it. So stop [ __ ] saying things when they're not true. Yeah, we heard that part already. Okay. Yeah, the YouTubers. All right, so Nick puts the gag order in place. We all agree. Yep. That was a bright idea. Um, a lot of this play case played out in public opinion. It's that's why you sealed the probable cause. Really? I thought that they sealed the probable cause affidavit because they were going to arrest more [ __ ] because that's the reason that they cited in their motion to keep it sealed to maintain the integrity the investigation and there might be more people involved. So now it's about So now it's just about public opinion because actually this is probably true. This is the real reason they needed the public to be in the dark because their PCA was [ __ ] weak sauce [ __ ] Yeah, Granny. Absolutely. Jinx, Granny. The family honored an illegal threat by a bully judge. Yay. Yay. Right. Yeah. Many many other actors involved. Fast race 213 jury bus escape from Billy. Took my girls Sasquatch hunting. Rest in peace. Don't tell the public. We have no evidence yet. We need more time. Well, this is literally just what they're doing. This all that they buy time. They stall. Patterns of behavior. Why do you think Jodie decided now of all times uh decided to take a week and a half vacation? Because they need to get their ducks in a row and they need time to figure out what the [ __ ] they're going to do and how they're going to delay and stall and circumn the fact that they need to publicize the public exhibits. Everything they do is a stall. Yeah, I'm a reporter. I'm a former broadcaster. Broadcaster, you know, now YouTuber and podcaster. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, you are. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Own it. I've covered other murder trials. I've thought this case was quite unique. People This is so interesting how she asks him questions or if if people were slipping you clips of things. What you mean like sharing like, "Oh, look at this what I saw on YouTube." Well, yes, Lauren. We know for a fact that Nick and his investigators were heavily obsessively monitoring the internet and the and YouTube and the podcasts and the Facebook groups and the Discord groups heavily monitoring. It's a broadcaster. Were people slipping you clips of things? What does what did she just ask? Okay, let's try and identify the interview question in this paragraph. So, she t she's talked about what she thinks, what she saw, what she experienced at the trial. She says, "I don't know if you kept yourself separated or if people were sending you things, but okay. Did this affect you? What did what affect you?" Like the did what affect you? the public. I guess the high-profile nature the public. Oh, how much it played out in the public. So, with conspiracy theories, this is not an interview question. What is she asking him? Clips of what? I can make myself hear that be a gun, but claiming it can't possibly anything else is wild. Clips of what? What do you mean? It's cuz Rick's innocent. What is on YouTube about his defendant? Obviously the troll farm been doing some breeding. That's my daughter from the room. I'm sorry. She had sickle cell lost his work. Oh, I'm sorry, Brienne. I hate sickle cell. Sorry. Probably Mason code. We didn't need anyone to send us anything. We confiscated the PI's computer. Yeah. Okay. I don't know what that question is. It's definitely unique. I've never dealt none of the trials we have here in Carol County get publicity like that. Well, Nick, never mind. I never dealt with any kind of case that had so much internet publicity with the YouTube and the Reddit and the podcasters. It was all foreign to me. I have a case Monday. No one's asked No one's called me about that. No one's asked me, you know. Mhm. I'm surprised about the amount of threats that I got. Are you sure that they were threats? Or were they figments of your imagination? Or were they false and staged and fake threats made by your friends where you didn't get any? You're a prosecutor. You're a prosecutor. You prosecute crimes and criminals. Criminals. You prosecute people who are accused and charged with committing crimes. Okay. Sometimes they're not very nice people that you prosecute and sometimes you prosecute them and then they get convicted and then they're probably quite angry at you and sometimes you have you call uh prison snitches in and you make them testify. Yeah, you're a prosecutor. You're going to piss a lot of people off. You're going to get threats. Guess what? You're the prosecutor. You can deal with them accordingly. you have all the resources and the manpower and the and the security and the safety and the legal authority and reach to deal with a threat. So, this is insane. They literally are acting like they're the [ __ ] like I don't even know. I don't [ __ ] know. I don't know who they think they are. He literally has the most power of anyone receiving threats 100%. This is twofold for me. The first issue I have with this claim that he's making is that I don't [ __ ] believe him. Period. When I talk about threats, guess what I can do? I can pull up my [ __ ] Google Drive that my attorney and my detectives have and I can say, "Look at all of the threats I received this month, this month, this month, this month." And they're explicit and they're scary as [ __ ] right? That's that that's those are threats, right? They don't ever ever ever they're never expected to or or required to to provide any evidence to support any of the [ __ ] that they say ever. They just know that saying that they got threats makes the other side seem like they're violent and dangerous and scary. Like the kind of side that would support a child killer [ __ ] And then the other part of this is exactly what our uh Where's our wheat? Wheat, where did you go? Here you are. He literally has the most power of anyone receiving threats. Yeah, this is the same [ __ ] issue I have with like Mickey Stein talking about how like, oh, Sheriff Mickey Stein was like fearful for his life. Well, he Good thing he if only he knew a cop that could help him. Like, no [ __ ] way. Not a thing. It's [ __ ] It's emotional manipulation. Prosecutors in actual places get threats 24/7. name the police, police case numbers, dates, times, followup, or it's not real 100%. And if you really expect us to believe that you and your uh lead investigators are getting constant legitimate threats and you're not investigating them or documenting them or anything, then yeah, they're not real. You certainly don't consider them to be legitimate. So why are you talking about it? Every time things heat up, Nick goes crying to hidden true crime. Has he gone to them before? Have they interviewed the prosecutor before? I mean, I agree with this statement. I just I don't Has true crime ever interviewed Nick before? The prosecutor and the judge are pretty much sitting on the power to protect themselves from threats. He's playing the victim. That's what they do. It's always so bewildering, but predictable at the same time, 100%. Their patterns are clear and identifiable and predictable and recognizable, 100%. We know what they're going to do. We know what they're doing when they do it. We expect it. We anticipate it. And yet every time we see it in front of our [ __ ] face, no matter how many times we see it happen, we still are just like bewildered and baffled and like outraged. Like outraged. People who are threatened, you don't hardly ever hear them actually talking about it over and over and over, right? His only specific threat he ever said was about the man in California slashing his boss tire. He's projecting he's a martyr. Nick felt my Nick hasn't heard the gospel of true threats and fighting words. Nick all up in his MC feelings. Nick sucks. All right. Anyway, I'm so surprised about all the threats I got. I was surprised about the amount of negative negative negativity I got from people. I tried to stay away from it. The biggest hurdle I had was keeping my family away from it. Let's talk about the fact that you have children. Let me guess, is that coming up next? How you have children, which means that you you have the capacity to understand because you have children. They kind of got sucked into it. They were really offended. My mom. What? My mo I want to hear I I got to hear him say this. Sorry. I got some questions for mom anyway while we're on the topic. Nick, I'll call her directly next time instead of roasting you on the internet. I'm going to make mom upset. [ __ ] off, Nick. You know what, Nick? I'm sorry that your mom doesn't like that people say mean words to you on the internet. My dad didn't really like having [ __ ] three armed officers pointing their guns in his face because of you and a false threat that you [ __ ] made or made up. The amount of threats that I got, I was surprised about the amount of negative uh negativity I got from people. Um, I tried to stay away from it. the the biggest hurdle I had was keeping my family away from it. It really they kind of got sucked in a few times and they were really offended, you know, and just my mom's especially. I mean, imagine how a mother is when somebody's talking bad about their child. And so, uh, you know, she really got affected by it. I didn't I would have Grow the [ __ ] up. Grow the [ __ ] up. Sticks and stones, [ __ ] Grow the [ __ ] up. Like, what are you talking about? What are you even talking about? What does that [ __ ] mean? We would have several people that would send us clips of stuff and I would watch them on occasion when I had time, but I tried not to I tried not to base what I did on public opinion. I tried to base it on what I thought was right for the case. And so, but we did have people sending us clips about things. Um, you know, I I the one thing I did enjoy is I felt like at the beginning of this that uh everybody thought I was inept to try this case and that I was the underdog. And I'm okay with being that way. I like being that way, frankly. Um, I I tried to base it on what I thought was right for the case. And so, but we did have people sending us clips about things. Um, you know, I I the one thing I did enjoy is I felt like at the beginning of this that uh everybody thought I was inept to try this case and that I was the underdog and I'm okay with being that way. I like So, here's where he loses me. Um, everybody thought I was inep to try the case. Yeah. Right. True. You are. You were. You are. And you always will be. Um, everyone thought I was the underdog. Nope. We sure as [ __ ] didn't. We never at any point thought you were the underdog. You're the prosecutor. You're the state. At no point would anyone ever mistake you for the underdog. Never. Never. Ever. Ever. In no reality. Now, I know that you see yourself as the victim and the underdog, but you're not. Nobody saw you as the underdog. You weirdo. Wrong. being that way, frankly. Um, I like people to underestimate me. I like that people think that, you know, I don't know what I'm doing. I think that lets them let their guard down a little bit and maybe not prepare as much. And so, I kind of like that. But I really I did after the fact I've went back and listened some things. I really kind of enjoyed how I was kind of I was the bad guy off the bat with all the public anyways because I sealed the PC. So, it kind of just snowballed from there to me not being able to try this case because I only tried one murder beforehand. Um, you know, just all these negative things. And then as it goes on, he's talking about us. But we never accused him of being the underdog. So I take offense to that. We would never do that. You see that people kind of some of the podcasters and some of the YouTubers, they've been um you got criticism and you were the bad guy because you literally broke the [ __ ] law with your [ __ ] sealed PCA forever indefinitely in perpetuity. Like you literally broke the law. You violated the law and you said, "Fuck the public and [ __ ] all of you and [ __ ] due process." So yeah, you were and you still are the villain, Nick. And you, fortunately, you've really just come into your own on that. You look just like one [ __ ] sny whiplash over here with his slick back hair and his [ __ ] mustache, she says. Two hours after scolding everybody about doing physical appearance digs, they kind of switched um and said, "Okay, he knows what he's doing, you know, whatever." So who who said that? So you were looking for affirmation and compliments and validation on the internet. I'm glad that we agreed public anyways because I sealed the PC. So it kind of just snowballed from there to me not being able to try this case but I only tried one murder beforehand. Um you know just all these negative things. And then as it goes on you can see that people kind of some of the podcasters and some of the YouTubers they and they kind of switched. Um well that's a true statement. We do know that to be true. Some of the podcasters and the YouTubers did switch. Oh, he's talking about Mircat. Mircat who used to hate his guts and then made an entire channel based on standing and supporting him. Or are you talking about Paul? You talking about Paul or Christina Mack? Which one are you talking about? Fig never did anything but simp for you. So, I don't know who else you could be talking about. Who else was critical of Nick and then uh switched and did a 180? My brother in Christ, you are literally a public figure and you are literally the most powerful man in the county. Like, you are literally a public figure. I don't know what you're talking about, sir. My brother in Christ. I think he looks everything and does care a lot. Oh, he does. I mean, like all three of them are probably in here with us. Hello. Good evening. You all are being very silly in this interview. I thought he didn't watch her follow. Well, he made sure to say after the fact. Inept. Yes. He couldn't have done it without goal holding Little Dingo's hand, though. Yeah, she literally stacked the deck for him. I really believe this. He He won because he sees everything in terms of winning and losing. It's a It's a basketball game to Nick Mleen. It's all about the underdog, right? Your opponent. Okay, this is a man's life, but whatever. He doesn't care about that. Everything is a game. Everything is a a [ __ ] sports reference. Yeah, Nick, I hope that you're really proud of your conviction. You literally won because the defense didn't show up. They didn't show up because you and the judge made it impossible for them to do so. And at some point, they agreed and they stopped showing up. Unfortunately, he's a [ __ ] I bet dogs show their teeth and growl in his presence. He does. He follows all the obscure YouTubers alliances. There's an innocent man in prison. Don't forget that. Inept needs defining their old Nikki boy. It a from there. Dr. John is in your walls. He doesn't have a son so he doesn't feel empathy for men yet. Damn JJ. True. He got caught up and became the monster. Mhm. I was thinking that quote earlier today that like whoever fights monsters quote about how like whoever fights mon I always do this and I always get it wrong. Whoever fights monsters needs to like basically be careful that you don't turn into one, right? You stare into the abyss long enough, the abyss stares back into you. you're a [ __ ] monster and said, "Okay, he knows what he's doing, you know, whatever." So, I didn't get sucked into it uh too much. We did watch I did watch some clips that people would send me of your show, of the murder sheet, of uh Bob Mada, um you know, all those kind of people. They would send me that stuff and I'd watch clips, but I tried not to let it We haven't made it yet. We haven't made the big times yet, y'all. Way my opinion. Um but it definitely was something foreign to me for sure because Mar says, "Hi, Mar. Did you cry yet?" Yeah, he he he literally cried within the first three minutes. I'll go back. We're going to do a uh we're going to do a best of Nick Mleland. Leak mlean leak. No other case I'd ever had had this kind of publicity. So, someone did you which one? Oh, go ahead, John. Oh, I was just gonna I just want to jump in and say for all the doubters and the haters, you proved them wrong. Um and and you did an exceptional job. So, I just want to acknowledge that. So, um Nick, congratulations. There were a lot of people that doubted you and hated you and you proved them wrong because you won. You won, Nick. You did it. You pulled it off. You pulled off what nobody thought you could, including yourself. You pulled off the impossible. You convicted not only of a a completely and totally innocent man. You convicted the most decent most innocent man in your entire county. The only man in fact, one of the only men in the entire county that were never was never even tipped in once or considered. Uh you were tipped in a couple times, Nick. That's okay, though. Um, you literally pulled off the impossible feat of framing the only good and decent innocent man in your entire county for murder, successfully convicting him and sentencing sentencing him to 130 years with zero evidence. Zero. Zero evidence. You got your win. Nick, you took on the haters and the ops. As a doubter and a hater, I still don't feel wrong. Yeah, I know. You got the win. Dr. John is appropriate culture. John, you don't have to suck his several other guys do that. Zero evidence. Yeah, everyone here was super sure that justice would be served. Yeah. Yeah. The only man that was very happy with his wife and daughter. I mean, I believe that Rick Allen is alive today because of how much he loves his family. It would actually it it's actually the more selfless thing for Rick Allen to survive. That's very selfless. Imagine the deleted record since he became prosecutor. The only thing that I want to hear out of Dr. John is his opinion on the unethical behavior of Dr. Walla. I was thinking about this, the fact that I don't know who runs their Twitter account, if it's Lauren or if it's John or if it's both of them together, but they did tweet praises, you know, for Dr. Wala and made a comment about how like it's a shame that Dr. Wala, who was the only person probably who had Rick's best interest in mind, was targeted and attacked and retaliated against and smeared by the defense and the pro- Rick Allen people. Dr. Wala after testifying at a hearing under oath was literally barred from ever [ __ ] returning to her state job. Dr. Walla in fact whatever Dr. Wallace Seder did her conduct was so egregious and unprofessional and unethical that she got fired on the [ __ ] spot for telling the truth. And you really think it's appropriate for you and your psychologist husband to praise Dr. Walla for her ethics and her compassion and her care? That's [ __ ] scary, y'all. That's [ __ ] scary. I mean, literally the Indiana Department of Corrections, who don't give a [ __ ] about anything, you can literally have a t a racist tattoo on your [ __ ] face and work there. The IDOC decided that Dr. Walla was not was like too too [ __ ] far gone, too unethical. Her conduct was too egregious for them, but not too egregious for the hidden true crime duo. After hearing Nick gaslight the committee to give him more money. Yeah, I can see why he might have been surprised that he was hated to get fired from the prison where her coworker was disciplined for watching a man starve to death. Disciplined. He got disciplined. She got fired. I had to do this overlay for Ann. She wanted to do AR invested free and I set up for I think you were amazing and um thank you. Ew. Sean, are you okay? And the haters, you proved them wrong. Look at Nick's [ __ ] face right now. Nick looks like a special boy who's being told that his new sneakers are really, really cool. Or the fact that he rode on he's finally tall enough to do the roller coaster at the amusement park and everyone's telling him what a brave, special boy he is. Look at his face. Um, and and you did an exceptional job. So, I just want to acknowledge that. So, um I think you were amazing and um thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. So, Lauren, I I don't remember which clip. I just remember I when I'd seen when I saw you at the trial in the press conference, I recognized you because somebody had sent me a Hey, Nick. I thought you didn't watch anything until after. Oh, you recognized her? I bet you did. Yeah, because you probably [ __ ] hired her. What are you talking about? Say it again, Dad. Here comes the special boy. I hate it. Yeah, this is also true. You weren't even there. I've taken harder questions helping out in the tradition. The looks shaming hiatus is over. No, Nick is fair game. I'm now convinced while told Rick about the gun on the bridge, why he gave a wonky Yep. 100%, Veronica. 100%. All right. Are we going to watch this part? What else? What else are we missing? Is there anything else? Oh yeah, we're still on the YouTube. Okay, give me another buzz word. Oh, do we want to see him cry? Do we want to watch this [ __ ] cry? I do. Jesus, I absolutely just [ __ ] hate this dude. The video, right? That's when he starts crying the first time. The video. Leak. Yeah, we're going to do leak next. What did Wallace say to get fired? I mean, a bunch of [ __ ] [ __ ] I could think of like a dozen things. I know that the fact that she accessed the confidential records of inmates at other facilities that weren't her patients just to see what was up with them at the Deli case, like that alone is enough to get you shak immediately. He does look like a st Okay. Video. The [ __ ] video. Where is it? Oh, here it is. Oh, god. Imagine thinking that it's appropriate as a prosecutor to cry over. It's just not appropriate. Stop it. I appreciate you giving me the heads up so I can let the family know. Um, but when the cell phone video came out, nobody really knew. Um, it got sent to all of us and while it was played in court, while the family seen it, to see that again, the last moments of their uh, Man, still gets me choked up. The last moments of their loved ones, it's just hard for them. Yeah. Thank you for reminding us of that. And, um, thank you for for being there for the families, too. I know we interviewed Becky Patty, and she brought you up a lot, Nick. I I could see Nick crying thinking about like Becky Patty and her being hurt. Yeah, because Yeah. Well, duh, Nick. No one's questioning your loyalty to Becky Patty. No one's questioning your loyalty to Becky Patty. You know, you're not crying over, you know, the loss of you're crying because it's hard for you to watch Becky and the family hurt. Okay, fine. Nick. Nick. You know, Nick said this and I know that you have been very close to uh the families of the victims for for many years now. Many years. Yeah. We don't have a victim advocate uh representative in our office. A lot of prosecutor's offices do, but with us being such a small county, it's my chief deputy and myself. And then I have a staff of two people and an investigator. Um and and that's really all we Steve Mullen, victim advocate. How's that sound? How's that sound? Old Steo, victim advocate. Oh my god. Well, I think the public can make the decision about whether or not they're safe. Yeah. For our office. And so we, meaning the chief deputy and myself, we are the victim advocates on top of the prosecutor. And so that's like me saying I am the surgeon. I am the psychiatrist. No, you're not. You know, we have to meet with the victims. We're the ones that keep them updated. were the ones that answered all their questions about the proceedings because a lot of this stuff is is legal proceedings that the lay person just is not familiar with because they never been through it. And so you you build that bond with the victims. Uh even if it's unintentional, you just do because Becky Patty owns an appraisal business. She has exper she she and her uh husband and partner and have have been involved in like civil, you know, litigation before. Becky Patty understands more than you're giving her credit for. Okay. I know it behooves it behooves him to paint them as fragile. No fragile don't know how to avoid a link to a exhibit on the internet. Like I don't even know how to do it. Like what if Becky Patty accidentally clicks on something she doesn't mean to click on, right? Oh, they're they don't understand how things work. Sure they do. Yeah, they do. They're not idiots, Nick. Bob is because you're hearing stories about the worst moment in their life oftentimes. And so, um, like I told you, I have a trial next week that's a rape and then one after that's a murder. And with the victim, you know, I've met with her several times just like we did Becky Patty and the family. And you get to know them, you get to know their family, their kids, their grandkids, you know, what they're doing, uh, what their hobbies are, and you just build a connection with them. Um, and so yeah, it does get emotional. Um, and yes, they're stay in very close touch with the Patties and and Annne Williams. Uh, you know, to the point where we're texting each other about, hey, this is going on. This is going to come out. Uh, just we know, Nick, because Nick found out about the leak from Becky, which doesn't really make sense given the timeline that that was presented by him and the state at the contempt hearing. actually doesn't make any sense. What is harmful is telling the families the girls were terrified when they weren't. Yeah. Why would anyone want to think their loved ones were in fear for an extended time before death? What about Carrie and Anna? How many times did you advocate for them? We allow them to keep evidence secret based on the promise they're doing a proper investigation. Maybe we need to reconsider. I I I honestly think the baseline should be no. I don't trust a [ __ ] thing that they're doing. Nick's third murderer after being the DA for seven years. That's how they've been able to get away with everything. They use the family as a shield. The fragile little family. Your honor, smart, smart people use filing cabinets and bankers boxes, not computers. I don't know how much of this I can handle. I know. I know. I know. I know. Mar R can communicate exclusively via R&M emojis. Traumatizing the families by lying about the video. Becky and the family. For real. I struggle with resting [ __ ] face. My bratty looks are controlled. Oh, hold my hand, Skinny. He should have known them a long time considering he's related. Hey, Jar. Good J. Are we all still using paper? The timeline space. Anna was excluded from law enforcement and family updates. Yes. And at some point, they realize that excluding Anna's a really bad look, so maybe they should stop doing that. But, you know, they still exclude Carrie purposefully. intentionally because that's the rule that they have to follow because that's the nature of our job and in a small office like this. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Yeah, they they they did they did a after the fact kind of retroactive started including Anna in everything which is [ __ ] [ __ ] because they also did that to Abby when she when all of a sudden Abby hid the phone. Yeah, Abby Libby was a hero for recording him but Abby was a hero too because she hid the phone. You're [ __ ] How about they were just victims of a homicide and y'all have absolutely been a disgrace and it just sucks the video. Yeah, I didn't know her on a firstname basis. [ __ ] What do you mean? Yeah, he was Teresa. Her families were good friends. Okay, what was the next one? Leak. Only five. He said the word YouTuber more than he said leak. So here he says, oh, you can't see this. Here he says it wasn't uh you know it's a mixed emotion. The video came out. The video from Liberty German cell phone was leaked I suppose because it wasn't given through formal channels. Is that what a leak is? What's a formal channel? um an attorney representing a defendant in a criminal trial. Um creating a website and disseminating a public exhibit on their website and explaining exactly why they're disseminating the public exhibit on their website for [ __ ] sure is a formal channel. It's just not your channel. So, it's not a leak. That's kind of actually like defamatory. It's not a leak. And it was given through formal channels and it's ridiculous. I said wrong number one. Okay, so there's first and second leak. Oh, good. Here's Dr. John. Dr. John chimes in. Alan, in terms of the leaked crime scene photos, I think it's an interesting qu Oh, God. Is DB in here? DB, are you in here? Please be in here. Eie, baby girl. I don't even want to read this. It's gonna be so [ __ ] stupid and upsetting. I just know it. He's gonna ask him like some kind of a psychological question about the leak of the crime system. He's going to ask He's going to ask the prosecutor who doesn't know [ __ ] about psych. There's DB. DB. Dr. John's about to do is stupid. He's going to ask the prosecutor a question about the psychology of an innocent man framed and charged and convicted of murder that he didn't commit. He's going to ask him a psychological question about the murderous mind of an innocent man. And he's going to tie in the leaked crime scene photos that were never actually [ __ ] leaked. So, okay, this will be good. Let's see. God, What? We're still on this? No, [ __ ] Never in the history of ever would a defense attorney's defendant team want graphic, gruesome crime scene photos of murdered children to be disseminated to the public. How the [ __ ] would that benefit anybody defense side? How? Can you be held in contempt for negligence? Isn't the very [ __ ] definition of contemptuous conduct that it's like willing and and willing and intentional and knowing and insubordinate, right? Am I wrong about that? I don't [ __ ] know. I think that I mean I don't think it was either, but like if he if he's going to say, "Well, I don't know." He literally just said, "I don't know if it was intentional." Nick, you literally filed information for contempt charges against them and you accused them of doing this intentionally, right? Yeah. Grace face. So, it probably does require some kind of like an underlying intent or knowingness or willfulness. So, you just said you don't know if it was intentional and that didn't but that sure as [ __ ] didn't stop you from accusing them of leaking on purpose. the rhetoric that this [ __ ] curated and pushed. Um, I mean, the superintendent of the state police of Indiana literally accused two defense attorneys of basically contributing to the death of a father and veteran. like outright blatantly accused them of facilitating or contributing to somebody's death based on this leak that actually had nothing to do with either of them. And like that's really [ __ ] up. Yeah. Jerry Hullman literally said they had nothing to indicate that Andy had any knowledge or involvement. Yeah. You can't you can't be listed as a victim and also be the purpose like you investigated the leak investigated the leak and the victim of the leak was was Andy Baldwin. So I know like for a second I thought he said thought he was calling the defense a bad name, but he said the the defense has reported a lot. This is actually This part is actually awesome. Okay, Lauren's gonna explain why the defense would benefit from leaking the crime scene photos. This is awesome. Oh, [ __ ] Can you not hear it either? Okay, I'll go back. Were you able to hear it, though? No. Okay, I'll just go back. I don't know. I I I I don't know. This is amazing. Um I don't I have a motive. I have a motive that makes a lot of sense to me. Um it it goes with what they were. You couldn't hear it. You couldn't hear it at all. Have you been able to hear anything that I've been playing at all? Did you even hear Dr. John's question? You didn't even hear his question. God, I'm so sorry. Okay, I'll go back a little bit. I've been like screaming over here and y'all haven't even been able to hear. Tell you it was on purpose. Um, at a very Did you hear any of this about the defense? Oh god, I'm so sorry. Is in terms of the Well, then y'all are really This is so the leaked crime scene photos. I think it's an interesting question to ask. Um, is there a purpose? Right. Is is is the defense gain something by doing that? Right. And that to me that's a critical question. Yeah. I mean, that's a that's a question I think you're right. I think you hit the nail on the head. That's a critical question. If it was on purpose, why did they do it? And I I don't have an answer to that question. And that's why I can't, you know, I can't tell you it was on purpose. Um, at a very minimum, I think it was negligence. Um, but you know, what is the I I think the defense has retorted a lot like, you know, what is our point in doing that? Why would we do that? And I don't know. I I I I don't know.

Um, I don't I have a motive. I have a motive that makes a lot of sense to me. Um, it it it goes with what they wrote about Odinism in the Frank's memo. I I find it ironic that and that the very photos that were released are the photos they describe in the Frank's memo. I find it ironic that the photos that were released depict exactly exactly what the [ __ ] they put in the Franks memo.

Well, what photos were leaked, Lauren? You mean just pictures of the victims? So, so then we agree. Listen to what the [ __ ] you're saying, Lauren. They wrote about odinism in the Frank's memo. At a very minimum, I think it was negligence. Do none of them like like they they're like, "Yeah, like do y'all just did you hear yourselves?" Um, but you know what is the I think the defense has retorted a lot like you know what is our point in doing that? Why would we do that? And I don't know. I I I I don't know.

Um I don't I have a motive. I have a motive that makes a lot of sense to me. Um it it goes with what they wrote about Odinism in the Frank's memo. I I find it ironic that and that the very photos that were released are the photos they describe in the Franks memo. You may be right. I I So she did edit this because look, there's a moment where like you can like there's a transition here. I find it ironic that and that the very photos that were released are the photos they describe in the Frank's memo. You may be right. I You'd have to ask the What else did she say there? I wonder because there was more to that because she cut it off. Interesting.

So, um, first of all, the photos that they released, it's not like they released like some like niche like the photos that were that got out were just pictures of the dead girls. That that was the crime scene. The photos were the crime scene. So, yeah, you're right. The crime scene looked hella [ __ ] odinistic. Nick agrees. The photos are rooms wicked smile. What photos of the crime scene did not show the crime scene? Makes sense. If it proves the defense's case, wouldn't that just be evidence? What other options are there? If the state had released more info, the defense would not have been victims of the blood luster information. She's also a deputy now. Isn't it ironic? Nick totally shook his head in agreement that they showed Odin. She's like, I think it's ironic that the defense uh that the photos that got out, i.e. just just like the crime scene um depicted what they write about in the Frank's memo. Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] It was pagan as [ __ ] That crime scene was pagan as [ __ ] I'm glad we all agreed. And and hope that they gave you a candid answer. Yeah. I don't know what my husband thinks of that, but co-host, excuse me, whatever you are, all you the psychologist on the other side, since I don't since I don't want to get in trouble here, I'll accept your answer. I liked your I liked your answer. But yeah, I mean, it's interesting that the the photos that that were leaked seem to to fit precisely their theory of the crime. So, that's what I'm out. I'm done. I quit. [ __ ] this. You're a psychologist, brother. Yeah. I think it's funny that the I want to hear that. I want to take that one again. I liked your I liked your answer. But yeah, I mean it's interesting that the the photos that that were leaked seem to to fit precisely their theory of the crime. So that's one more time. I want to get the first part of that. Hold on. Was that just an accident? answer. But yeah, I mean it's interesting that the the photos that that were leaked seem to to fit precisely their theory of the crimes. I think it's interesting that the photos that were leaked, i.e. the crime scene, seemed to the crime scene seemed to perfectly fit the defense's theory of the crime. Well, [ __ ] I think that's an excess. We all agree the crime scene photos that were leaked 100% perfectly. He says in fact he uses the word perfectly fit the defense's theory of the crime. So that's Was that just an accident? Was it just an accident? It's not like they were like they're just lit they're lit. What do you mean? They're photos of the dead victims. Yeah. Was it an accident that those photos specifically got out as opposed to what? They're crime scene photos. They're crime scene photos. Time stamp. Yes. Well, actually, so my time stamp is different. I can give you the time stamp though because I have um Hold on. Accident, right? He said, was that was that an accident? One second, Joy. Uh, go to this clip begins at like 33 minutes and 20 seconds. I believe that's what it would be on their on the video that's on their YouTube. Was it an accident? He literally says that they the photos of the victims perfectly fit the defense's theory of the crime. According to them, they were they were betrayed by a friend. Um, and that's the explanation. And so, Right. Right. And look, that just makes me angry, too, that the baby victims according to me. Uh, they betrayed the victim's families because they left them out on the desk for their friends to betray them, too. So, don't pass the buck on that one. Sorry. I just, it makes me very angry. I love impartial journalism. I love impartial journalism. I love when interviewees interviewers have a really uh healthy solid grasp on their emotional regulation while they're interviewing. Uh Nick is probably the most grounded person right now in this interview. That's a scary thought. How dare they um release First of all, they didn't release [ __ ] anything, but how dare they release evidence that supports their theory of the crime. How dare they release evidence that exonerates their client. Bye, Brienne. Don't make me hear it again. Okay. According to me, uh, they betrayed the victim's families because they left them out on the desk for their friend to betray them. So, so don't pass the buck on that one. Sorry. According to Lauren, if you're a victim of a betrayal or of a crime, it's like, well, what were you wearing when you were, you know, that's a really icky thing to say. I don't like that she just said that. That's really sick. It just it makes me very angry. Well, I'd ask you to think about this question. Had I done that, had the state of Indiana done that, what would have been a fallout? Y'all, I need to get a water. I'm like, really? Had the state of Indiana did that. You do. You did, actually. In fact, you um literally won your case based on fake evidence. So, like, what are you talking about? You literally did. You literally did. Let's talk about all the times that you [ __ ] like y'all had an entire ass contempt hearing where the defense and the defense attorneys attorneys came in with thousands of pages of exhibits. Thousands of pages of exhibits. Yeah. Thank you, Keith. Why don't you ask your buddy [ __ ] Gary? Like Judgy, I'm going to screenshot the [ __ ] out of those contempt transcripts. I do appreciate them leaving out Baldwin and Rosie both said they didn't recognize one or two photos that was said to come from their war room. Mhm. I can't wait. I love Judge Jessica's super threads. It's like all about he won. Nothing much if anything. Can we get a trigger warning for the photos? Oh, I'm not going to show any photos. Oh, these photos? You mean the these photos on the screen? I know. Well, I would be very angry at you right now, too, you know. So, I Okay. So, why aren't you, Lauren? Why aren't you? He later lake stuff. Okay, BRB. I have to go get more water. Don't go away. I'm back, y'all. God, this is triggering. Okay. Um, where do we live off? Um, Lauren would be big, mad, so sad if the prosecutor was the one that had let uh evidence get leaked. Okay. Okay. There's another What was it? There's one more buzz word we were looking for. Um, oh, here's one that I want to watch together. This was probably the most terrifying part of the entire interview for me personally. Okay, so Nicholas Mletus is going to talk about his career as an attorney. And he's going to talk about Well, let's just listen to him. This is insane. This is just wild. Sometimes he says things and I'm like, I can't believe that you're saying this. You're admitting this. Like, do you know that? Do you do you even know that this is um Okay, I'm jumping around, but this is from like early in the interview, but it uh is Crazy. I guess it's not crazy knowing who. Oh my god, these people, man. Facious to say that when we're placed that doors here that we kept the keys to our vehicles in those vehicles. Um, that is not that was not an uncommon thing in this community. and to think how could this happen where a place that we think is safe, our safe place. And so I think that's when my first involvement, you know, became or came to light because just as a member of the community, I was a defense attorney at the time. Um, and so I I wasn't in the prosecutor's office. I didn't become the prosecutor until January 1st of 2018. Uh, the former prosecutor, Robert Ives, he retired. There was an opportunity for me. I had always wanted to in my career kind of progress up the line to be a defense attorney and then at some point if the opportunity came available to be prosecutor or judge that is what I wanted to do. The ultimate goal now is to become judge to kind of move up through the ranks. Uh and so the opportunity came available. Um I available to be prosecutor or judge hired. There was an opportunity for me. I had always wanted to in my career kind of progress up the line to be a defensive

So in his mind's eye, the progression of one's career is defense attorney, prosecutor, judge. So you wanted to be a prosecutor. That was your goal. And so you started in the public defender's office. That's no wonder you were such a bad [ __ ] defense attorney. You wanted to be a prosecutor and so you started as a defense attorney. Is that why you defended all your clients as if you were a [ __ ] prosecutor? He's he's never ever respected or even probably understood the the critically important sacred [ __ ] role of a of a public defender. Hi Erin, welcome. for him to think that that uh being a a defense attorney is just kind of like the first stepping stone on your way to becoming a prosecutor. Like they're not even in the same [ __ ] zip code. Like what are you talking about? What the [ __ ] are you talking about? Attorney and then at some point if the opportunity came available to be prosecutor or judge, that is what I wanted to do. The ultimate goal now is to become judge to kind of move up through the ranks. 100%. Bro got a job throwing matches for the state as the OP. There you go. I have no doubt he'll be judge. Isn't it interesting? So, we're stacking the county with um we've got Mleen was appointed by the GOP chair in the GOP in a very questionable series of events from starting with a prosecutor. drives just spontaneously and unexpectedly resigning before his tenure was up. Uh Nick, totally inexperienced [ __ ] numbnuts, gets appointed over the decades, decades, decades long veteran deputy prosecutor. Um, okay, that's normal. Becomes the prosecutor and appoints as his deputy prosecutor or his chief deputy or whatever the [ __ ] it's called, Shane Evans. my friends, Shane Evans, who had at that point in time uh [ __ ] zero experience prosecuting cases. Was he even grad was he did he even have passed the [ __ ] bar yet at that point? Cuz he was still the mayor. He went from mayor to deputy prosecutor. Okay. So, Nick appoints his friend Shane to be his deputy prosecutor and then Shane goes on to become the Carol Carol Corny, the Carol Corny, the Carol County Circuit Court Judge, replaced Judge Diner when Judge Diner also spontaneously and unexpectedly resigned out of nowhere. Okay. So, then Shane Evans becomes the circuit court judge and How long do you think it will be before prosecutor Nick Mleen is the district judge? And it's Shane and Nick. Shane and Nick went from prosecuting the county together to judging the county together. This is not normal. This is not normal. Uh and so the opportunity came available. Um I took the opportunity and then I first became aware not of all the evidence but of a brief overview of the evidence and The opportunity became a available and you took the opportunity. It's like he It's like he forgets that he's supposed to pretend like he was like appointed. No, the opportunity became available. It was offered to you on a silver platter and you took it moving up in the ranks. Yeah, he's definitely he will be judge. I don't um So, who's the judge now? Um, Hawkins, I hope nothing h I'm not even say I'm I'm actually serious. I hope that nothing happens to Jud Hawkins. Mhm. The opportunity is right. Yeah, sure. Lord. Okay. How many times do you think they say the uh Richard Allen's name in here? That was the next one. Richard Allen. 37. Jesus. Okay. Lauren says it a bunch. Okay. These are all Lauren. Lauren. Lauren. Lauren. Nick says it. At the end of the day, none of those people are involved. I don't know how. Now I don't know how much clearer to say it. If there was or were other people involved. The only person who knows at that point is Richard Allen says the prosecutor. Let me share this. [Music] Samquatch. Yeah, we'll do that one next. Okay. The only person who knows for sure is Richard Allen, who literally wasn't [ __ ] there, right? Prodefense people are going to latch on to that. What? Latch on to what, you absolute stupid idiot? We pick things that support our stance on the issue and we latch on to it. We focus on that. Oh, okay. So, he's going to accuse uh Richard Allen supporters of doing a tunnel vision. Oh, here it is. Tunnel vision. Wow. Yeah. You got to look at everything. You can't just look at things in a vacuum. Is that why you eliminate out 90% of the evidence that your investigation yielded? Is that why? Yep, you're right, Teresa. And actually Nick Mle, I mean, it makes a lot of sense to me now. You know, we always ask why. Why? What's motivating this? What's motivating them? Why? Well, because Nick Mlean's motivated by his own [ __ ] Yeah. his own dream of being the judge to make it move up the ranks as if like the rank goes from defense attorney, prosecutor, judge. That's not a thing. They're not like it's not a that's not a like linear trajectory. Uh, most defense attorneys would probably rather [ __ ] die than ever be a prosecutor. They're kind of in conflict with one another. Actually, I would much rather a prosecutor turned defense side at the like later in his career than the alternative. The alternative is what we get when we get what's his name? Hank. Is Grayspace in the ear? Who's who's number one villain on our bracket right now? Didn't Hank go is a defense attorney who's prosecuting an innocent woman? Karen Reed. Sorry if you don't agree. A lot of defense attorneys are former prosecutors 100%. And I actually think that's pretty dope. Yeah. Good. Because they know how the system works. And the opposite though is like treasonous to me. I prefer my defense attorneys to not be doing the job just to learn tricks of how to prosecute people. Right. Yep. Like we weasel your way into the club. Hank actually was a prosecutor who became a defense attorney who then became a special prosecutor. Geez. Guy sucks. All right. Yeah. Prodefense people are going to latch on to that. Pro- Richard Allen people are going to latch on to that. It's a piece of evidence they can latch on to. The piece of evidence that he's referring to here that Richard Allen supporters are going to latch on to is the confession of a third party suspect who asks if his spit is found on one of the victims, but he can explain how it got there, am I going to be in trouble? That's the evidence that that Rick Allen supporters are latching on to. Tunnel vision. They're going to ignore the confessions. like the confession that you're [ __ ] referring to that you're ignoring. They're going to ignore that the bullet's tight. It's tight. Huh? That evidence is tight. Yeah. There's no evidence. Okay. They're going to ignore the fact that Elvis's that Elvis Field's confession isn't supported by any physical evidence. Your [ __ ] conviction isn't supported by any physical evidence. Do you hear yourself? You sound ridiculous. You sound like a fake madeup [ __ ] cosplay prosecutor. You're not even a real person. Yeah, Elvis was just doing a goof. Yeah, but but how doll poisoned, psychotic, tortured, coerced, and threatened Richard Allen, who none of his confessions are in line with the evidence either, by the way at all. And the only reason that Elvis Fields confession isn't supported by evidence is because they literally ignored and didn't attest so much [ __ ] evidence. And yes, there was untested DNA on the girls that he said that he spit on. It's really easy to lack evidence to corroborate a confession when you literally didn't collect the evidence. Yeah, he is a Yeah, him and Doug Carter. I mean, they all are just politicians. Wow. There's dude. Do you hear yourself? He's justifying his motion in lemonade to exclude Elvis Fields as a third party suspect based on the fact that there's no DNA to connect him when he literally brought charges and prosecuted somebody when there's literally zero physical evidence. That means there's no DNA evidence. There's no digital evidence. There's no other kind of forensic evidence. There's no there is no corroborating evidence of any [ __ ] kind. There's not even circumstantial evidence to put Rick there. Nothing. They ignore confessions that actually explain the [ __ ] crime scene. And it wasn't Rick. I'm clipping it. Do you need a time stamp, Ji? I don't even know what time stamp is. Where am I? What day is it? Because this one's going to be wrong. It's [ __ ] Did I lose it? Oh. [Music] Why can't I uh What's happening? What am I doing around here? There we go. Uh, it's around like 28 29 minute mark. Judgy. No, it's okay. 29 28 29 minutes somewhere around there. Wow. This is audacious. This is This is wild. Oh, I'm not playing anything yet. I'm sorry. I'm looking for the thingyamajig time stamp. Okay, here we go. Share. Oops. Share this tab instead. um pro- Richard Allen people are going to latch on to that because that's something that they that's a piece of evidence they can latch on to. He's talking about Elvis Fields and his confession and his comment about spitting on the girls and the Rushville connection. That's what he's referring to here. FYI, they're going to ignore the confessions. They're going to ignore uh the fact that he's on the trail that day. They're going to ignore the bullets tied. they're going to ignore all those things and just latch on to this when there's no other evidence to back up that statement besides that statement. Um there's no evidence to place Elvis Fields here at the time. There's no evidence to place him in Carol County at the time. Uh there's no DNA evidence at the scene to place him there. There's no connection or tie to the scene to place him there. But of all of those things are also true for the man that he convicted or that he prosecuted that got convicted. Of course, they're going to latch on to that because that's good for their cause. And so I've heard the same thing that you have. I don't understand it. I think you're correct. You have to take things in context. You got to look at the interview that he did before that. You got to look at the conversation he had with the trooper before that. Um, you have to take everything. How [ __ ] dare he even utter honest Kevin Murphy's name and do a slander and a distort and a misquote uh together. And you can't just single out one little thing. Now, the defense did that a lot and wrong a lot of their motions. They would take a statement or a deposition and pull out one line of that deposition because supported their their cause. And I'm not saying that. So then release the entire [ __ ] depositions. That's wrong. But when you look at things in the totality, you can see that their statement really doesn't support what they're saying. Yeah, thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, psychologists call that confirmation bias, by the way. That psych psychologists call that confirmation bias. Uh and you and you can see it live in action here on the hidden true crime podcast in this literal interview. Not the totality. We are ignoring the mere presence and coercive psychotic confessions, y'all. Right. The fugazi fake wrong. Taking evidence that supports your view, you know, looking for things to confirm confirm your perspective and not to deny it or not to challenge it. And um Yeah, because we've seen so many examples of uh of the state challenging their bias and going on podcasts and doing interviews that are challenging their uh biases. Yes, the doctor is being so gracious as to do a demonstration for us as to what confirmation bias is. information bias is often thought of as sort of the Mount Everest of of conspiracy theories or or you know what it's it's it's a bias. What? Dr. John. Hey, Dr. John, are you just [ __ ] making [ __ ] up and saying things? Let's take that again, buddy. Um, confirmation bias is often thought of as sort of the Mount Everest of of conspiracy theories or or you know what it's it's it's a bias that often supports conspiracy theories because it will support whatever the theory is. What? What? Hold on. Confirm your perspective and not to deny it or not to challenge it. And um confirmation bias is often thought of as sort of the Mount Everest of of is it conspiracy theories or or you know what it's it's it's a bias that often supports conspiracy theories because will support whatever the theory is. It's a bias that supports conspiracy theorists and theories because it will support whatever the theory is. What? It's about Abby and Libby, their families, and this community, this nation, and even our planet. What? Our planet? Why is he roping in the planet? Yeah, Lauren just talking. It's a bias that often supports conspiracy theories because it will support whatever the theory is. But but I will say this, too. If we're talking confirmation bias, Odinism was investigated by law enforcement and it was a part of the Franks. Why are you rope again Everest? Why is he rope again Mount Everest? Everyone else has confirmation bias, not me. I always think about everything. He says it's, you know, confirmation bias is often thought of the Mount Everest of conspiracy. Wait, hold on. Oh my god. Confirmation bites. No. What? Okay. So, apparently I think he got confused maybe. Let's see. PBS solutions, decision-making, safety, and cognitive biases. On May 10th, 1986, five mountain climbers were caught in a blizzard and died on Mount Everest. Two of the climbers were worldrenowned mountaineers. Another had there's no explanations to why they died. Interaction between several wrong decisions, aren't there? Okay. So, I guess for I guess people use the deaths of the climbers on Mount Everest as like I guess that's like a common like real world examp like team building seminars and like MLM [Music] lectures. What is that? That's like I think Dr. John is confused. I don't think that's a thing, Dr. John. I think that's just like something that you heard once and that you liked and you tried to like reiterate and like repeat it and I would lose that one memo and it did deserve our attention. I I think when I read the Frank's memo, I was very interested and so I I also think it's fair that you know, look, there was a gag order. There was a hidden probable cause. I know you got a lot of flack for that. I'm gonna ask you about that after the arrest. You know, you chose to keep that probable cause uh sealed. So, I I do have empathy for all of us that read the Frank's memo and tried to understand in I have a lot of I do have empathy for myself. I have empathy for us. Thank you, Lauren. I'm glad that you empathize with yourself. Uh, do we need to do like a like a civics and criminal justice 101 trial and like the law one? Not even a 101, like an introductory to 101 class about Fi Weircat. Page eight gate. Oh no, is doing a crank onto us. So, okay. Well, hold on. Sense of what was going on because it gave us information we didn't have before. So, it was the defense attorneys for Richard Allen filed a Frank's motion and memo because three months earlier when they tried to have a suppression hearing, Judge Gaul herself ordered them to file of Frank's motion and memo. And so they did. That went well. That went great for them obviously, right? They filed a motion literally in accordance with the trial, criminal trial rules. And what are you? They didn't do anything wrong. If they would have sealed the Frank's memo, that would have been a violate. We've already done this. What are you talking about? We already did this. The Supreme Court of Indiana literally agreed that they did nothing wrong by filing that public motion. And in fact, it was Fran [ __ ] Gull who violated public access and court rules by sealing it. Suisponte, it's public. I I want to say I understand. Um I don't care, Lauren. Man, girl, you're a mess. Okay, I want to get to where they talk about how they had no intention of arresting Rick Allen. Oh, we should probably read this part because I don't think that I was listening when they talked about this and we spiral about Richard Allen Whiteitman a lot. So, God, this is bright. All right. I wish I could just here. I'm just going to close this for now. So, Kathy Shank, do that. 2022. How does this suspect come in? Where do you find him? Where do we go from here? I've heard I'm sure you've heard the story. It's been told several times and there's been several versions of it. Kathy Shank, she's really kind of an unsung hero. Is she unsung? Would would Kathy Shank who we just are constantly hearing about would that be an unsung hero? Isn't an unsung hero one that's not constantly in your face with their weird little [ __ ] We weren't paying her. We weren't giving her benefits. She was just doing it voluntarily. Is that because we accused him of paying Kathy Shank? I still think that you were paying Kathy Shank, but what do I know? Sometimes she would bring us food and snacks. The quintessential gr What's a quintessential grandmother? It's like a quintessential grandmother. Okay. She would just take care of us and she found the tip. So, she took care of you by finding the tip. Mhm. She was going through a box and refiling and organizing things and she came across something as she common. So, she commonly did this and yet she'd never come across this thing before. H she came across a suspect that was on a trail that day. Kathy Shank, who regularly and often refiled and reorganized things, came across something that she literally never came across before during all the previous instances of her refiling and reorganizing things. And she came across a suspect that was on the trail that day. A suspect. Wrong. Wasn't a suspect. He was never a suspect. Actually, he was a helpful eyewitness, a member of the public, a witness, perhaps probably not even a witness because I don't even think he was there anywhere near the time that they're trying to put him wrong. He wasn't a witness, actually. That's a lie. He was never even categorized as a witness. He was I mean a suspect. [ __ ] He was never a suspect. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't know about him, so she took that to Tony and Tony called Steve. And then uh you know, he's pretty quick. Sure was. It sure was. In fact, in fact, it was impossibly quick. This is 100,000% true what Cat is saying here. And not just is it true, it's like inexcusably bad how many tips they ignored. And it's interesting that Nick makes a point to say, "We only ignored tips that talked about like Sasquatch and aliens." No. Mm- You ignored tips that were uh sent to you multiple times by frantic legitimately and authentically and genuinely concerned and frantic people with really good tips actually. Probably one of the kill uh one of the killers or participants is in there somewhere. Yeah, even if this is a true story about Rick, it just proves how in [ __ ] incompetent they are. Yep. I know that he's lying about Kathy. Bye, J. They said he'll do. I'm going to be responsive. Bless and go to sleep. Good night, Grace Space. Mhm. Wow. It was pretty quick and said, "Hey, we got this. Holy cow, this M." So, they found a nonsuspicious They found a nonsuspicious tip. from a witness. Rick's the witness. Rick was the witness. As soon as they found it, they had they had done zero due diligence or investigating into it. They didn't even know if Rick owned a gun at this point, right? And immediately they said, "Holy cow, this is the missing piece." Do you know what that's called? Confirmation bias, desperation, tunnel vision. [ __ ] Tony Liot is losing by a by a landslide to this independent candidate for sheriff and soon he if he wins he's going to be the one in here looking at this [ __ ] mess of an investigation that we totally let just found someone for you to pin charges on after Kagan made an out of ISP. They still had minnows in their boots from searching the Wabash. They sure did. They were still sloshing around in their boots from that search. Mount Everest of conspiracy theories is your missing rediscovered tip. They did a Mount Everest. Big things are coming after the debate. Yeah, that debate was literally like 48 72 hours after this tip was found. I We've said it. The second that tip was found, Rick Allen was convicted. He was bridge guy the very second that they found out. Oh my god. Wait, there's one more person whom we might be able Oh, and how lucky for us. He's a nobody. He doesn't have any uh deep ties. He doesn't have a criminal record, though. That doesn't matter. We'll just make [ __ ] up and give it to the media to report on. But he's too short. That's okay. Fortunately, we [ __ ] with the video from day one. So, there's no way to tell how tall Bridge guy is. Here's your reminder to never talk to the cops. My god, this guy was at the trailer earlier. We can just say it was mislabeled. Holy cow, this might be the missing. This is literally This is a conf This is a confession. We said, "Holy cow. Holy cow, this might be the missing piece." and we just ran with it. This is so [ __ ] sad. known about this guy, organizing things as she commonly did, and she came across something that she hadn't seen before. And she came across a suspect that was on the trail that day, and she hadn't known about this guy. Um, and so she took it to Tony Liot. Uh, Tony Liot called Steve Mullen and I. I mean, it was pretty quick. Uh, and said, "Hey, we got this." You know, holy cow, this may be the missing piece, and we just ran with it. Uh, you know, went and talked to him immediately. Um, made sure the information on the tip was still current and accurate. Then got a search warrant for his house, sent the stuff off to the lab. The gun came back and then we went from there. So, it's not really um, made sure the information on the tip quick. He came across a suspect that was on the trail that day and she hadn't known about this guy. Um, and so she took it to Tony Liot. Uh, Tony Liot called Steve Mullen and I. I mean, it was pretty quick. Uh, and said, "Hey, we got this. you know, holy cow, this may be the missing piece, and we just ran with it. Uh, you know, went and talked to him immediately. Um, made sure the information on the tip was still current and accurate. Then got a search warrant for his house, sent the stuff off to the lab, the gun came back, and then we went from there. So, it's not really a secret. Everybody knows the story how it happened. Uh, so, you know, God bless her and thank God for her because we may not be here today, but for her, it wasn't Go ahead. No, go ahead. It wasn't. There's this common theme out there that it's because it was misfiled under Richard Allen Whiteitman. Uh that that's not that's not the case. Somebody wrote cleared on the tip. We don't know who. It was on the bottom of the tip sheet. Um and I think that's why I mean I don't know because I don't know when it got misfiled or how it got misfiled. I wasn't there. But that's why we believe that it got filed in the cleared section because somebody had written that on there. So nobody did any further investigation on it. Oh. Well, that's reassuring. That's really reassuring. It said cleared on it. So, we just were like, "Well, that's good enough. Nobody else could possibly look at the early evidence." It was that easy. It happened that fast. And Rick was right. Like literally the second that they got his name and went and talked to him and he had the audacity to say it's over. It's over. It's already done. Why? Why did that comment piss like Holman off so much? It's because it was true and he knew it was true and he needed he got defensive. It was literally over the second Kathy Shank. He literally says she had never seen this before. She So how involved was she in your [ __ ] investigation then? She had never seen it before. She wasn't supposed to be reading [ __ ] I thought she didn't recognize his name. So what the [ __ ] does that have to do with anything? She's irrelevant. But Kathy Shank is the one that made the determination that because she had never seen it before or because she didn't know who he was or because she decided that that was suspicious, it was done. They decided the second they found it that that was the bridge guy. I know, Michael. You're right. Hi, Michael. Nick says here though, oh, she'd never seen it before. We may not be here today, but for for her and we went from there immediately. Tony Leot called grandmother of the group. I mean, she would just take care of us and and she found the tips. She was going through a box and refiling and and just organizing things that she commonly did and she came across something that she hadn't seen before and she came across a wrong. She had seen it before though. Suspect that was on the trail that day and she had he wasn't a suspect. He wasn't a suspect ever until Kathy Shank Kathy Shank decided he was known about this guy. Um and so she took it to Tony Liot. Uh, lots of lying happening, says Michael. Tony Liot called Steve Mullen and I. I mean, it was pretty quick. Uh, and said, "Hey, we got this." You know, holy cow, this may be the missing piece. And holy cow, this may be the missing piece. Listen to them. They sound like a bunch of [ __ ] idiots. They sound like the most They sound desperate. Like, how desperate do you have to be when all you have is a is a piece of paper that you're like, "Oh, I haven't seen this before." and and it has a witness narrative and an interview where Dan Dulan apparently himself didn't see any reason to follow up with this guy after talking to him. There was nothing suspicious about that tip from 2017, but they found it and decided immediately that they were going to make it like that that that was it. This is the missing piece. Like you want to talk about cognitive bias and tunnel vision and echo chambers and boundary issues like delusion. They're they are delusional. Psychologists call it confirmation bias. Yes, Michael. We just heard uh Dr. John here say that confirmation bias is the Mount Everest of conspiracy theories. Okay. and we just ran with it. Uh, you know, went and talked to him immediately. Um, made sure the information on the tip was still current and accurate. Then got a search warrant for his house. Sent the stuff off to the lab. The gun came back and then we went from there. So, it's not really a secret. Everybody knows the gun came back. You mean the You mean the You mean the totally unscientific, useless, non comparable tests that Melissa Oberg and a couple other people tests did on the um unfired round found at the crime scene. buried in the dirt. It was a match. Was it knows the story how it happened. Uh so, you know, God bless her and thank God for her because we may not be here today, but for her it wasn't Go ahead. No, go ahead. It wasn't There's this common theme out there that it's because it was misfiled under Richard Allen White. That's a common theme because that's literally what y'all said at the beginning before you decided on this version of the of the story. You were the ones that put that misconception out there. You gave it to your friends, the podcasters, and you had them run with it and now you're you've basically landed on this version. Uh that that's not that's not the case. Somebody wrote cleared on the tip. We don't know who. It was on the bottom of the tip sheet. Someone wrote cleared on the tip sheet. Okay. Well, what about the entry in Orion? What did that say? Did that entry in Orion say cleared? And if it didn't, why didn't anybody revisited in 5 years to follow up on it or to cover it? It's not really a secret, Sine. Oh, just how he was cleared is a secret. And the entire trial was secret and all of the public exhibits are secret. What secrets? Um, and I think that's why I mean I don't know because I don't know when it got misfiled or how it got misfiled. I wasn't there, but that's why we believe that it got filed. And you also weren't there at the bridge on the 13th. We still expect you to have a pretty good grasp on what occurred there that day. You're the lead. You are the prosecutor and you don't have an intimate knowledge and understanding of the evidence from the early days of the investigation. I believe you. I believe you in the cleared section because somebody had written that on there. So, nobody did any further investigation on it. Um, until Okay. Where is it? Show show us all of that. Prove it. Prove that that is true and accurate. She came across it in prove that Kathy Shank came across it and had never seen it before September 2022 because that's actually a lie. 2022 and said, "Look, nobody I don't know the further investigation on this guy. I don't recognize the name. We need to look into this." Kathy said, did he just say Kathy said that? I don't recognize the name. We need to look into this. So, okay. So, because Kathy Shank didn't recognize his name, he was fair game. Oh, he'll do. I know that I sound like an Everest conspiracy theorist right now, but Kathy's own Kathy Shank's own daughter wrote on Twitter, "He was an outsider. He's not one of us. Get out of our town, you evil man. He talkth too much. So you're unpaid, untrained, unqualified, nonsworn until you come out and say it yourself. She wasn't working for you in any kind of official law enforcement capacity, despite signing her name investigator in Orion. uh unpaid, but sometimes she would bring us snacks and she's the one that made the determination. Um until she came across it in 2022 and said, "Look, nobody I don't know anything about this. I don't know anything about him." I know Fi, it's ridiculous. It's because he's from Peru because what? his family lives in Peru and not Carol County and because he moved there 16 years ago instead of 600 like god forbid, right? God forbidation on this guy. I don't recognize the name because I just want to hear him say one more time, Kathy Shank came to us and said, "I don't know anything about this investigation." Yes. I believe he was born in Mexico and then his mom and dad um live in Peru that I don't know yeah if Peru and Mexico are far away from each other but yes Mexico and then Peru uh Peru. Yeah. Yeah. No, they made sure that he Yeah, somebody had written that on there. So, nobody did any further investigation on it. Um, until she came across it in 2022 and said, "Look, nobody I don't know of a further investigation on this guy. I don't recognize the name. We need to look into this." So, Kathy Shank was the decision maker, right? Kathy Shank gave the directive and the determination because Kathy Shank Officer Shank didn't recognize his name and didn't know who he was allegedly or because Kathy Shank wasn't a breast of the details of the investigation into this. They've been saying that she wasn't supposed to be reading the tip the like she So did she or did she not go through your like So is she just a grandma volunteering or is she your lead investigator calling the shots because she's the [ __ ] queen of Carol County. When did you realize this really is the guy though? I mean, where where do you start hearing immediately about him and and when did you think this really is rich guy? Well, you got to realize by 2022, I've been in this since January of 18. And by 2022, I was probably the devil's advocate of the group and very skeptical. [ __ ] and saying, "Okay, I wasn't going to ride that roller coaster again. Prove it to me. Prove it to me. Prove it to me." Um, and so I probably, it probably hit home for me. Well, I know it hit home for me when we got the lab results back for the firearm because I'll never forget where I was at that day, what I was doing. It's you have those moments in your life. My me. Well, I know it hit I wasn't going to ride that roller coaster again. Prove it to me. Prove it to me. Prove it to me. Um, and so I probably It probably hit home for me. Well, I know it hit home for me when we got the lab results back for the firearm because I'll never forget where I was at that day, what I was doing. It's you have those moments in your life. My grandpa still talks about he knows where he was at and what he was doing the day JFK was assassinated. You just have those big moments in your life where you're never going to get, you know, when your first So the assassination of an innocent man is what we're Yeah, actually you're right. Child's born. Um all those kind of things and I'll just never forget where I was at or what I was doing when I got the phone call. Um so and what did the phone call say? So I I agree with this. I can believe that he was tricked too. Confirmation bias for sure. But so you got the but but they got the ballistics back on the like what the 17th or 20? When did they get the ballistics back? Someone in here knows. I know. Why did you wait a week then to arrest him? And why did you why are you still claiming that you had no intention of arresting him that day if you were sold bought and sold and convinced and certain that when you got your the results back? Yeah. Right. You had the lab

results for the last five years showing that it also could have come from a Glock or a Smith and Wesson. Why did you believe it was from a SIG all of a sudden? Where were you when you got the follow-up call that the bullet couldn't be excl couldn't exclude Ron or Brad? I seriously don't know how people live with themselves with blind faith. What was said in court and proven to be false after the fact. You know, I might sound crazy and Everesty, but I'm starting to think that Nick is not honest. I'll never forget where I was when my child was born post. Yeah, Nick, like, weren't you there? What? Are you saying sufficient is a match? Once they arrested him based on a false match, then it basically becomes a cover up in a runaway train. Yeah. Jerry ran that train right off the [ __ ] like tracks and just there it went. Why didn't they write up the PCA? Mhm. If it was so convincing, we didn't even dream of arresting him, right? Like pick a version of reality or whatever. Pick a version of your truth and stick to it because none of this makes any [ __ ] sense. That for me was when it really hit. Uh, and for me it was like, okay, this is the guy. That's pathetic. That's pathetic. That was the threshold. You're the skeptic of the group and that was the threshold. Yeah. Exactly. If he really was skeptical, then when they told him it was a match, it would not have been such an emotional event. Yeah.

No, they all decided as soon as they found a name they didn't recognize or a lead they hadn't exhausted, that's when they decided to Well, yeah, Nick, you can't right a search warrant on his home. You said it happened pretty quick. Yeah, we were all on board. We all knew. A search warrant on his home based on a lost lead sh sheet that had cleared written on it. Okay, throw that out there without telling us the full story. So, where where were you and what were you doing? Uh, well, I I was with my girls. Uh, it was fall break of 2022. It was in October of 2022 and that's No, it wasn't. Oh, the bullet. Yes, it was. Okay. Fair. Fair. When they have fall break for the school. My girls are are young at the time. You got to throw them into the bus here. At the time, I think they're four and five or five and six. They're only about 13 They're only 13 months apart. I remember everything about that day except for how old my kids were. And we were on fall break and we were in Tennessee at uh a water park. Um and it's big indoor water park. Um and they have uh Wait, so he was out of town, too. Weird. An indoor kind of theme park. It's this big resort that we went down there in Pigeon Forge. And I remember we were uh in the water park. It was in the middle of the day. Uh we were in the water park. Uh and uh the phone was ringing. It was ringing, ringing, ringing. Of course, I'm playing with him in the wave pool in the water and the one might say frantic. We got the bridge guy. I was checking my phone every hour, hour and a half because I knew that we had gathered stuff in the house. I So, you're you're already anticipating um you already you Yeah, I'm checking my phone. So, I'm checking my phone constantly waiting for our confirmation bias to be confirmed. I mean, that was this this ballistics test was literally made up. So, yeah, they could literally say whatever they wanted to say. Hey, make it make it [ __ ] work. Oh my god, Jinx. Literally make it work. And guess what? You did. You sure did. knew the investigation was ongoing and called Jerry Hullman back and and he told me. So Jerry Hullman's the one calling him over and over and over again. Jerry Holman gets So Jerry Holman's the one that gave the prosecutor the big news. The big news. We got him, guys. Our inner waters have synchronized. Yes, they have. Judgy Jerry Holman, ladies and gentlemen, was the uh one to notify the prosecutor. Was Holman the only one in town? I said, "You never going to believe this?" And and he told me and I said, "Oh my gosh, you're never going to believe this, my guy. You're never going to believe this. We just got the test results back. Sufficient." What was it? Sufficient something. Okay. When did the bullet become the thing that they did? When did the bullet become their Oh god, this is so This is so dark and tinfoily. Who exactly did Holman talk to before making an arrest? The janitor, right? Yeah. Yeah. Let me go talk to some folks. And because the only thing that occurred in the interrogation of Richard Allen that would switch, you know, him from going, you know, them from going switch them from no intention of arresting him to arrest him right [ __ ] now. And you're going away for the rest of your life and I'm going to prove it was he pissed Jerry homeman off. Hey Jerry, how many times had Nick told you to prove it and you couldn't. I'm going to [ __ ] prove it. Homeman is the go-between for everything and everyone. If [ __ ] is a foot, Olman is there. Of course, I fired the bullet to match an unfired bullet. Work smarter, not harder. Um, I remember there was talks I'm going to fly down and get me. I said, "No." Um, so I we end up coming back a day. What? Fly down to get you from Tennessee? So why so much? Okay, so you get the result. Does anybody actually remember um the exact day that they got the bullet the so it the bullet and the gun the the round and the gun go to ISP lab? What the 14th? When did they get the results back? Thank you, Judgy. Lie down and get you. And you waited another week to ask the man to come in to get his car. So, you got really excited. So, here's what it sounds like happened. Jerry Holman. I I almost made another blow your load. I don't I got to stop doing that. Jerry Hullman decided that um this was it. This was the guy. He did it. They solved it. They got him. They got the bridge guy and he was so excited and he's like, "We're gonna come and get you." He was like so excited. Um, and then somebody went, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa." And then Jerry got pissed and was like, "What do you mean, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's him. We got him." And they were like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa." So, it was personal. The testing occurred between October 14th and October 19th. Yeah. Jerry thought he had him and then somebody's were like, "Whoa, not enough yet." And then you're literally not everywhere. It is what it is. This is very illuminating. Early. I think I got the call on a Thursday and we're supposed to come back that Sunday. We end up coming back Saturday. A Thursday, huh? I remember everything about it. I remember where I was, what I was doing. I don't remember how how old my girls were. I don't remember if it was a Thursday or Saturday. Rick was interviewed. So, they waited an entire week. Actually leaving early Saturday morning, like 4 in the morning to drive back so I could get back so we could get together probable cause um and get things together for the arrest. Um we we didn't have plans to arrest him, but we wanted to interview him again after that to confirm, okay, had anybody else had your gun? Uh had any else had your bullets? Had you been out there? We wanted to make sure but and so when we interviewed him the second time, we weren't even sure we were going to arrest him, but we wanted to have everything in order in case we did. And so I know I came back a day early um to be able to get a briefing on that to start to write together some kind of PC. Um again, we didn't know we were gonna arrest him if he would have said, "Oh, I lend my gun to my brother Joe." Okay, let's go interview Joe. uh you know, but we wanted to be ready so that once we arrested him, we had you don't want to wait to draft these documents until afterwards. You literally did. You literally did. You literally waited. You actually violated the statute, first of all, but you waited too long. You waited because you didn't [ __ ] have enough. You literally waited. You did wait. It makes sense now. They were not going to arrest him until they couldn't, right? Um, and so we wanted to put together everything we had. So, we put together the PC from the search warrant. We added this piece into it. They're this the pictures are identical. They're literally the same. And then we were going to continue to add to it if we needed to. Um, but we weren't sure until we talked to him, right? We had to had to kind of check those boxes. We weren't sure until we talked to him and he unfortunately for us really threw a wrench in our plan by being the most credible, innocent, honest, and unyielding suspect we've ever tried to do a read upon. Had anybody else had your gun? Um, did you purchase it new or did you purchase it off somebody else? Had anybody else had your ammo? Did you buy it off somebody else or did you purchase it new? Is there any reason you would have been out in that area? Mushroom hunting, fishing, hiking, you know, we had to make sure. Is there another explanation? Um because we weren't going to jump. You don't jump to a conclusion in something this serious. You got to make [ __ ] You jump to a conclusion when your geriatric volunteer said, "I don't recognize this fellow." And you said, "We got him. We got him." the bridge guy sink [ __ ] so late. We have everything. And so we weren't sure we were going to arrest him until after that second interview. It was in the moment. Jerry Holman came back and said, "Okay, what do we do?" And I said, "We've got enough now." So he asked, so Jerry asked Nick. Jerry asked Nick. And Nick said, "Sure, sure. Why not?" And the enough meaning alibi. What did you have enough? What was enough? Enough probable cause arresting. So you you check Go ahead. Go ahead, John. Yeah, good. No, check the boxes on the gun. Lauren asked a good question. Yeah, go ahead. Lauren finally asked a really good question and John interrupted. Lauren, what were the what were the what was the probable cause? So, we tied him uh he was on the trails that day. Um yes, with dozens of other people. The witnesses we had didn't see anybody else on the trail that day, but they also didn't see [ __ ] Rick Allen. Okay. They also didn't see Rick Allen and they also they did see other people on the trails that day. The witnesses we had gave a description that matched what he was wearing that day that he confirmed. No. And no and no. Three nos. What he was wearing that day. He was on the trails during the time the girls were abducted. And Nope. Sure as [ __ ] wasn't murdered. We had a bullet tied to his gun that Nope. You sure as [ __ ] didn't. I believe came from his gun. People based on my knowledge, my belief. Well, Nick, I believe that you tried to get me arrested and almost got my dad shot in the face, but that's not enough for me to charge you and arrest you and convict you and sentence you to 130 years. Sometimes my belief is irrelevant. Argue the science, but I believe in the science. Um, I believe in the science of madeup ballistics matching a fired round to an unfired round, but I don't believe in the science of the the brain and the organic changes that occur in the brain as a result of torture and prolonged solitary confinement. Oh, and I also don't believe that psychotic disorders are legitimate mental illnesses, but I believe in the bullet. [ __ ] loser. There was no other explanation how that bullet had gotten there. Um, except that it had been there probably for [ __ ] months or even weeks or months or years because the old man that lived on his property likes to [ __ ] shoot deer with his his [ __ ] sig for fun or whatever the [ __ ] Like, what are you talking about? There's no reason that a bullet would be in the dirt in rural Indiana on the property of a man who owns 200 firearms and who also lets people hunt on his property. And so those were kind of the main main things we had at the time of the arrest. We tied him to the scene. He was in Deli at the time. He was on the trails at the time. He matched a description of bridge guy. And then tying that bullet to the scene that ties him directly to the crime. He's like out of breath trying to defend this. Listen to him. He's like, "All right." Uh, and so those are the the key pillars that we had at the time. And and at this moment, did you know that the three girls [Music] um Rick Allen saw four [ __ ] girls. There was a group of three girls and then there was a group of four. But you know what? I guess it's kind of their mo because they're literally making bridge guy Richard Allen when he's not. So why not just like disappear one of the girls and make them the same group? Like it doesn't matter anyway, right? As long as we clear this headache of ours known as the worst investigation conducted in the history of the universe. also sort of identified him too. Like you had all these witnesses with different des I don't want to watch this anymore. Is there anything else that we missed? There was one part I feel like I had one more. Does he correct it now? I I'll let it keep playing. Let's see. Does he description of bridge guy? Fair enough. Nobody knew that they were going to be having to, you know, share exactly what he looked like the following day after they saw him on the trail. But you have these Wouldn't that be cute if they interviewed the witnesses the following day? Sure would suck if they waited weeks or years. Varying descriptions of Bridgegu. And I think for me the most compelling were the three girls walking because they were able to share each this experience together. And their descriptions were both a little bit different, but they both saw the same shot. Both. I thought you said that there were three girls. So now we've lost two. Now we have disappeared two girls. So we're going from four to two. Right. And he admitted to seeing them. Like was that kind of a moment too? Because for me it meant a lot to me. It did. And this is a better question for John I guess and I'll kind of ask you at the end here. But I think the different descriptions are important. There were really four girls but one of the girls was so young we didn't interview her and he did not just [ __ ] do that. He did not just [ __ ] do that. You need a time stamp, Judgy? I cannot believe he for sure follows all the cranks. I cannot [ __ ] believe that he just did this. Uh 52 minutes, Judgy. Around the 52 minute mark. I cannot believe that he just did that. I don't believe in hell. I really don't believe in hell. But sometimes when something really really abhorrent and and just vile happens or when somebody does something really abhorentt and vile, I suspend my disbelief in hell and I let myself believe. And if there is a hell, this man belongs there yesterday. And this is a better question for John, I guess, and I'll kind of ask you at the end here, but I think the different descriptions are important. There were really four girls, but one of the girls was so young, we didn't interview it, and so it gets narrowed down to three, but there were actually four girls that So, did you So, who who who was with Bri or whoever the who? I don't believe you, [ __ ] You're a [ __ ] liar. You are an absolute [ __ ] liar. But see, he had to correct that because too many people have brought that up now, right? No, he's he's literally lying. That's really sad. What a [ __ ] loser. They can't get their story straight and they just [ __ ] lie. You kept one of the girls out because Rick only saw three girls and you needed him to have seen four. This can't be real life. Oh my god. Did Rick didn't see four, right? Is she going to say that, Judgy? Let's wait and see. Maybe we'll be surprised. They We just interviewed three of them because the other one was so young. Um we just didn't think it was going to be worth worth the interview. But all three of those girls see the same person at the Right. Right. Because you know when young children witness crimes or are victims of crimes, they're so young there's literally just no use interviewing them. There's certainly not an entire [ __ ] profession pocket of the profession of I can't actually believe that I'm listening to this. How did I miss this? I don't think I even I must not have even gotten this far. Same exact time. And they all three give a little bit different um sorry we just didn't think it was going to be worth worth the interview. But all three of those girls see the same person at the same exact time and they all three give a little bit different description of what that person's wearing. However, their description of his demeanor is all the same. And I think it's a better question. We as attorneys say, you know, witness statements sometimes are not the best evidence because you can have three people see something in the exact same moment and describe it in three different ways. And it goes back to, you know, I have taken a couple class. It goes back on to how they were raised, what their beliefs. Oh, Nick is a Nick is a Nick is a defense attorney, a prosecutor, a victim advocate, and he's also a [ __ ] Sigman Freud. Wow, this guy really does get around and he knows a whole lot. How did they How are they How does Carol County get so lucky to have the most brilliant and dynamic prosecutor in the history of the world? Psychology. Now we're talking about psychology. Can we talk about the fact that you lied and you said that there were three girls because you needed that group to match? What are you doing? are what they find important. And John, you can talk on this more than I can because you're the expert, but why do people give different descriptions of the exact same event? I I think you gave a good analysis. He's He is a brilliant [ __ ] deflector. He's a brilliant deflector. I'm actually surprised that he corrected Lauren on that about the four girls part. Um, oh no, this happens to me a lot too, Psycho. No, we love all caps here. We love caps lock in this chat. You're always welcome to do a caps lock. He's out of breath. Uhhuh. He's like, John, why don't you talk about it? Go ahead. You could probably speak more to this, John. Um, I want to go back to what you just said, though. Hold on. Demeanor is all the same person at the same exact time. They all saw the same person. No, they didn't. He's trying to say, okay, they all described the physically they all described somebody different, but the demeanor of the man they saw Oh, because it it's out of the question that there would be more than one grumpy man on the trail in Indiana. What are you talking about? Literally, all of you [ __ ] there are crotchety and weird. What are you talking about? and they all three give a little bit different description of what that person's wearing. However, their description of his demeanor is all the same. And I think it's a better question. We as attorneys say, you know, witness statements sometimes are not the best evidence because you can have three people see something in the exact same moment and describe it in three different ways. And it goes back to, you know, I have taken a couple class. It goes back on to how they were raised, what their beliefs are, what they find important. And John, you can talk on this more than I can. No, that's not a thing. How I'm raised is not going to make a light blue jacket look like an all black outfit. That's a very convenient and effective deflect because now he's giving the other egoomaniac in the group an opportunity to take the floor and talk about himself and his own expertise. And look at John's face. He's like, "Oh, [ __ ] I've been waiting for a question." If I see two happy people, are they the same person? Sure are judgy. Their demeanor matches and because you're the expert. Why do people give? Oh, he's like, "Oh god, I [ __ ] hated that. Um, girls, the demeanor." You're right. Yeah, eyewitness accounts are never perfect. They don't have to be perfect. They were close, right? 130 years, y'all. 130 years. They don't have it doesn't have to be perfect. Close enough is good enough, right? Sure is. Yeah. For everyone. And so that's you're right. That's why I statement myself. And that was the demeanor. It's the same thing, which is right. Like that was all consistent and that's what stuck out to me. Um, you know, they they The other thing is when you show them a picture of Bridge Guy, they say, "Yes, that's the guy I saw." They were all very confident about that, very clear. Except you showed them a picture of Bridge Guy before you interviewed, like asked them to give their descriptions. That's the guy I saw along with Betsy Blair um and Sarah Carbaugh. And so you know they all all they have right now is delay. They can. The only thing that they have that's that's keeping this conviction hanging by a thread together is the fact that they are stalling and delaying the release of the transcripts from trial, the release of the public exhibits because he still gets to go on an interview and spew [ __ ] And we can't. Even though we know it's [ __ ] and we know that he's lying, we don't have the [ __ ] physical proof in our hand to point to it. Yeah, I'll play. We're very adamant that's the person I sold and so they all just Do you want me to go back a little bit? Okay, I'll go back a little bit. When he asked this question of receive things and and that's going to be different. Yeah. For everyone. And so that's you're right. That's why eyewitness accounts are never perfect. Yeah. Um you know, they don't have to be perfect. I mean they they were they were close, right? But but you point out something interesting which is something I noticed right away in the probable cause statement myself and that was the demeanor was the same that they all like so you might have differences in terms of eyewitness accounts of what they're seeing and perceiving visually but emotionally. Oh emotionally we're going to con Oh, emotionally? What? Yeah. Don't. Hey. Hey. By the way, girls, don't trust your eyes. Don't trust your eyes. Don't trust your ears. Don't trust your senses. Trust your feelings. Trust your feelings. They're all experienced the same thing, which is this guy was on a mission, right? He was focused. He was not He was not really noticing them. He was He seemed to be He's on a wait, I'm sorry. He's on a mission to murder young girls. And he so he doesn't even notice the group of young girls. Huh? Huh? A little bit um aggressive, right? Like that was all consistent. No one has ever ever ever described Richard Matthew Allen as being aggressive or hostile or unpleasant ever. In fact, even the [ __ ] guards and staff at the Department of Corrections describe Richard Allen as pleasant, polite, accommodating, yielding, gentle, subdued. Never have has anyone ever ever ever described that man this way. That is the opposite of his demeanor. Nobody thinks that Richard Allen is that person because he's not. So all of the sudden what? He just like he has a rapid and immediate personality change and then he just switches right back to who he is and never experiences that again. And that's what stuck out to me. Um, you know, they they The other thing is when you show them a picture of Bridge Guy, they say, "Don't ever trust your lying eyes. You might see something that disproves the prosecution's narrative." He's actually explaining what a gaslight is. You can't trust your eyes or your ears or your nose or your brain. But you know what? You can trust vibes. Say, "Yes, that's the guy I saw." They were all very confident about that. very clear that's with Blair and Sarah Sarah Carbull and so you know they all were very Sarah Carbell number one threat to pedestrians everywhere Sarah Carbull that's upsetting who's on a mission all of those are consistent with somebody right all of those things are consistent with someone going to the bridge with a mission And that's not consistent with somebody who's going to look at fish. Yeah, exactly. It's not consistent with Rick Allen. There you have it. The killer's on a mission. Therefore, they saw Richard Allen. And yet, according to the state's narrative and their case and chief, uh, he killed the girls because he just got spooked and panicked. So, was he on a mission or not? What was his mission then? If he wasn't intending on killing them, but he got spooked. What was the mission? Get the [ __ ] out of my way. I hear there's a 30 lb car for this. Sounds like his mission was to loiter under the bridge. Your reality needs to be dictated to you by Nick McDickhead. You are defending a child killer. Right. But the prosecutor did a say so. He said so. This is so embarrassing. I'm glad we're doing this, y'all. Even though it's like really late, but like holy [ __ ] I missed a lot of this last night. I see two people. JJ, one is too immature for a sketch. So, okay, he's trying to justify. I get I'm like getting a little disoriented with the number of girls. So Rick saw three, but the group of girls that he's trying to say is the same group were four, but he's saying that well, it was really three because one of them was so young. Okay, so you're admitting that you lied in the probable cause affidavit because nothing in the prob like you could have said that why would you say there were three if there were four? you that you could literally That's not a thing. That's not a thing. Yeah. Yes. He saw like a teenage girl and like literally like little little little Kelsey's too young for proper DNA testing. Imagine being so arrogant that you go on a public platform and perpetually say blatantly disprovable things. Hey Z. The four was three teenagers and one 8-year-old. Go back to your statement, Lauren. I think it's important that because Rick says, "Yes, I see. I see I see them. That confirms that he's the guy they saw. He saw them, which means it corroborates that they saw a bridge guy. They're like, they're like, "Y'all, it look a 2 + 2 equals 4. 2 + 2 equals 4." And we're all sitting here going, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about? There's literally no numbers anywhere. There's no There is no two. What are you talking about?" Nick doesn't understand how much time I will spend on my mega threads. But then Nick says, "No, it was four, not the three that Rick saw." No, she doesn't [ __ ] get it. They're like, "Well, Rick saw three girls, but the four girls saw a grumpy man, and Rick admits that he saw three girls, and so therefore the four girls saw Rick, and therefore Rick is bridge guy." That's literally what they're saying. And that's they confused the jury. They disoriented and confused the jury is what they did. Actually, I I I kind of think that the confusing and confounding and inconsistent all of the different eyewitness uh statements and testimony that they brought in. I don't think that helped Rick. I think it just everyone was like so confused that they were like, "Okay, like yeah, sure. Okay, fine." Cuz that's what I do when like Courtney who's got like she's like on top of it. like she knows she's just like a [ __ ] encyclopedia record keeper and she try you know sometimes she'll try and talk to me about like the witnesses and like the inconsistencies and the timeline and I'm always like like whoa whoa whoa and I'm like wait so who is that? Who is that? Who is that? I don't like it's I get disoriented and I'm like fine like okay yeah that makes sense. It doesn't make sense. None of this makes any sense. He's doing an invisible imply. Yeah, you need to actually prove it. Also, BG being the culprit is literally just an assumption, right? Notice that they didn't even call him a suspect for the first few days. They're like, "Let's wait and see if he comes forward and see what he saw. He might have seen something." And then when he didn't come forward and they're like, "Well, fuck." They're like, "All right, that's it." And Dude, they base all of their like investigatory decisions on vibes and feels. Like they wanted the guy to come forward so they could interview him and he didn't. And they're like, "Fine, you're not going to come talk to us, [ __ ] You're the killer. Bridge Guy's the killer. Enemy number one." Because we asked him nicely to come in and talk to us and tell us what he saw that day and he didn't. So fine, you're the killer then. That's literally like Jerry Hullman saying, if you have information and you're scared, don't be scared. Come forward and we'll protect you. But if you have information and you're scared and you don't come forward with that information, then you're just as guilty as the killer. What? Put a one in the chat if you want this live to go for 24 hours. When have you ever seen the state get their conviction and feel the need to repeatedly justify it? That should be an Yep. Tell an objective person enough. Children are invisible in India. They did what they claimed the defense would do. They confuse the jury. Yep. Projection. Projection. Projection. Projection. It's information overload and your brain won't accept it. 100%. Woman was raised to see no girls because patriarchy. This is so stupid. Nick cried during his closing. That's literally the logic. The way that they presented everything was to confuse the person listening so they don't take the pertinent info in. Right? They overwhelmed them with like irrelevant insignificant details and then the key like the the auxiliary cord plug. Literally nothing else about the steps and the meters and the phone and the ascension and the descension and blah blah blah. None of that really should have they shouldn't have even [ __ ] bothered with that. They should have said, "Look, regardless of what they're saying, the fact is there is no other explanation for this phenomena." I mean, it would be it would be unlikely, if not impossible, for just one incorrect read uh code, but for a plugin and an unplug code, no. Somebody plugged something in and unplugged unplugged something into the phone that we're claiming was underneath the body of a dead girl hours after we're telling you that she was dead and Richard Allen was asleep in bed with his wife. That's literally what they needed to if they really wanted that to be the end all be all of their case, then that they should have just made that the thing that they focused on. But whatever, who cares? It wouldn't have mattered. It wouldn't have mattered. It wouldn't have mattered. It wouldn't have mattered. Rick was convicted the day Kathy found his tip. We just decided that together because Nick told us and we already knew that they went to the trooper Paul School of Investigation. Have the crime scene talk to you. Say [ __ ] pure way. Getting winded trying to make it sound like he's got this huge list of evidence, but he's just saying the same thing different ways, right? Performance, performance, performance, performance, performance, performance. The worm slithered into the port. The ox blew my brains to spaghetti. I thought there's no way. Yeah, I really wouldn't have made a difference. Which is so sad. And Rick knew it. He knew it. He literally knew it. He knew it so molecularly and into like wholly that he told Kathy like, "Don't worry about me. Get yourself a lawyer. I'll be fine." That sucks. That sucks so bad. I hate these [ __ ] Since he can't dazzle with his bath, Since he can't dazzle with brilliance, he baffled them with [ __ ] Hi, Shell. The entire day for Oberg to show them everything about ballistics and manufacturing of guns and then never actually showing them the results of her analyst analysis and never even letting um Rosie show the pictures. He had to just get them in closing. That was the only thing he could do. And notice that the jury the juror said that they didn't put much weight. Imagine what would happen if the defense was allowed to show what they wanted to show. This is mumbo jumbo nonsense. Nonsensical nonsense. It's just a bunch of bumbling, confirmation bias, blinded, brain rotted weirdos circlejerking to word salad just to support their belief or theory that all of these things mean that Richard Allen is the bridge guy. This is a good question, Judgy. That's what we're going to talk about. And then we're gonna go to bed. And now they're talking about how the crime you had to go there to see it. The crime scene and the drones. We couldn't bring the jury to the crime scene because of the drones. Obviously, you know, all the drone all the illegal elicit drone activity occurring in Carol County at any gi given time. We need to protect the jury at all costs. You know, Richard Al is arrested the day he was arrested. I want to say I saw it on News Nation. I was shocked. We both jumped on there and talked about how we didn't know much. He sealed it. He sealed the probable cause. At the time they were witnesses. They were juveniles. Some of them at this point um because they had turned 18. So, they weren't juveniles. Actually, they were no longer juveniles when Rick was arrested. So, you lied again to keep the PCA sealed. What? What? behind my decision because I do believe it was the right decision and I understand that you know something a case this big when someone gets arrested everybody wants to know everything right away. I I get that that's human nature. I probably have that human nature on certain things and so I'm not faulting anyone for that. But at the end of the day, I've got to protect the integrity of the case and I've got to protect I have a duty to make sure that Richard Allen has a fair trial and that also the state of Indiana has a fair trial. And so when we um first released or Judge, did you hear that? We got We got another We got another We got another fair trial coming. We got to make sure the state of Indiana has a fair we have to make sure the state of Indiana has a fair trial. Oh, you can't see what I'm watching. Can you see it now? Can y'all see this? The integrity of the case and I've got to protect I have a duty to make sure that Richard Allen has a fair trial and that also the state of Indiana has a fair trial. And so when we um first released or first we need the state of Indiana to have a fair trial. Arrested him and filed the probable cause it was sealed. There were witnesses names in there. Um at the time they were witnesses. They were juveniles. Some of them weren't at this point because they had turned 18. I was concerned about that. Yeah, Nick, that's generally what not being a juvenile anymore means. You turn 18 and you're still lying because they were all I was concerned about Richard Allen's safety if this had gotten out because he was housed in the Carol County Jail and they were witnesses. They were juveniles. Some of them weren't at this point. Confession. Confession. Whose bright idea was it to book Rick under an alias? I was afraid that this was going to get out. I was afraid that this would get out and so we prevented it from getting out. It was intentional because they had turned 18. I was concerned about that. I was concerned about Richard Allen's safety if this had gotten out because he was housed in the Carol County Jail and in the White County Jail and didn't really know how that was going to affect things. I thought it was important to keep this information from the public until I could have a judge order a redacted version. And so those are the main reasons why until I could have a judge until I could have the judge order a redacted version. I had to keep it sealed for over a month before I could have the jud I could have the judge order a redacted version. So file a redacted version you [ __ ] loser. I thought it was important to keep it on the public. Now there are people that disagree with me. Public has a right to know no matter what. No matter what to end of discussion then the public has a right to know no matter what. End of discussion. Give us our [ __ ] trial exhibits, you goon. Give us our [ __ ] trial exhibits. We do have a right to know no matter what. So why does this not count to me? The integrity of the case trumps that. And I think the four to me the integrity of my case trumps the constitution, public access, transparency and open courts and the rights of the defendant. So, I'm going to trump what I want. And my my investigation, the integrity of my investigation trumps the constitutional due process rights of the defendant and trumps public access and the law. Give us our [ __ ] PCA, you you [ __ ] Laws and ARPA laws. Take that in consideration. Why there are exceptions in that and why I was No, [ __ ] No, there. No, you violated the law and you still do it. To file a seal. Um, and so I I don't disagree the public has a right to know. I disagree that the public has the right to know right now when they want to know. I Okay, so now why can't we know? Why can't we know now? He's just here to talk about Sasquatch. I guess you are never the exception. I want to vomit. You are denying everyone foyer requests for agencies you don't even work for. He's God, Judgy, and soon he's going to be judge God mleand. Maybe one day Supreme Court Justice Judge God Nicholas Mcccleletus. I think that they have a right to know once the integrity of the case is protected. Once our frame job is sufficiently uh sealed, once our frame job is sufficiently safe, once we've got all our ducks in a row and our story straight, then the public is entitled to their rights. We can only know after the final appeal. Wow. You guys arrested. This is rich. This is [ __ ] rich. Lauren, he was uh Richard. Okay, I'll just play it. Whatever. They're not going to [ __ ] strike me. I [ __ ] dare you. I absolutely dare you. I don't [ __ ] care. But they won't. Um, why can't I find this? Oh, y'all. We got to get We got to get Rick out of there. I don't think anyone else is gonna I don't think anyone's going to [ __ ] help us do it either. It sucks. Okay. Uh, oh [ __ ] Why did he do this interview? Does any Before I play this, I want to ask y'all, what was the practical purpose of this interview? We didn't learn anything new. There was nothing like there was no development or announcement except he had to cry about the Bridge Guy video. Okay, he could have done that and he did that in the first four minutes. Why did this go on for two more hours? And why did they keep everything that they kept in in? And why did he do this interview at a time where they basically shut down all interviews? He's done all of his, you know, interviews. He literally just said he's got a murder trial that he's prosecuting in like a week or two. So, somebody helped me understand the practical strategic purpose of this. What are they trying to get ahead of? What are they trying to prepare for? What are they trying to instigate or shake loose? Like why? Cuz everything in this so far is really really kind of damning. We've said this a lot. We've also accused them of um some funny business with the video. And notice Nick never says that the video that came out wasn't like he doesn't call into question the authenticity or or the accuracy of what has been claimed about the video. I got it. Joy already have it. Uh he knows what's coming. Realistically, I think the interview was planned long ahead of time. They just haven't been able to fit it in because their schedules until now. Yeah, there's something because then look, they um this just feels like the risk is not like the risk wouldn't outweigh the Is he just bored, lonely, not getting enough supply, needed like what did they just want to like hang out? What is the reason that they're doing this? It's so foolish. And revictimize is my word. People won't agree with that. I get it. But that is my word. That is the word I use because I know these families. I talk to these families. And it is revictimization. It just it just is. And so that was the reason for the gag order just to protect. I didn't want this case pub tried. I can't I can't go back every time I hear something [ __ ] outrageous. So in the courthouse square, I wanted it tried in a courtroom where it's fair. We all have the same rules and that was the only point of it. Um, so that that's why I did both the gag order and the protective order for the discuss. So you lied. You lied. Wait, you did the gag order. You did the gag order. Mhm. Okay. Richard Allen's arrested. He hasn't confessed. In fact, I've seen his um you know, his interviews, his interrogation, whatever it is, you know, at the uh with law enforcement, and uh he doesn't confess. He claims he didn't do it. He wasn't there. Uh he he didn't murder Abby Libby, but you know, uh you guys arrest him and he starts singing. Is that what we call it? He starts confessing. Yep. He denies it vehemently 27 times. Uh people who watched that interrogation said it was the worst thing they've ever seen in terms of law enforcement conduct. And they've basically never seen a more a more perfect example of a totally innocent person being read techniqued and yet he doesn't crack. Yeah. So they interview him and he uh he says he doesn't do it. He wasn't there. And then you know you arrest him and he starts singing. No Lauren. No. That's not what the [ __ ] happened. And you [ __ ] know that. She knows that's not what happened. That's not what happened. I actually have a problem with the way that she just said that. Yeah. You know what? If you torture me, I'm probably going to sing, too. It's so great when our torture is effective and results in the singing that we're hoping for. He starts singing. No, he didn't. It wasn't exactly like that, Lauren. Um, they arrested him and tortured him and abused him for over four months before he started singing. But here's what they won't tell you. Even when he's singing, he's proclaiming his innocence and calling out what he sees and feels happening to him. He literally says like it doesn't matter. What a what a absolute loser. I don't know what you call confessing is what I call it. Yeah. I don't know what you call it. Singing. Let's watch that again, shall we? Let's watch two psychopaths hang out. But you know, uh you guys arrest him and he starts singing. Is that what we call it? He starts confessing. I don't know what you call confessing is what I call it. But yeah. Look at their faces. Look at their faces right here. They think they're so [ __ ] funny and and sharp. They're so proud of themselves. Lauren hates this man. Like, this is my thing with Lauren. I don't even blame her because she legitimately believes that Rick is guilty. 100%. Of course she does. Whatever. She's like, "Okay." Uh, that's the face of somebody who thinks it's funny that a guilty man is singing, but the other [ __ ] knows better. He starts to talk.

On the phone to his family, mainly his mom and his wife. Are you listening to all of these? Are you listening to all of these confessions while they're happening? Are you proud of yourself, Nick? Look at the way he answers that question. Well, not while they're happening. We get it after it's recorded and then sent to us. So, it's not in real time, but it's same day, same night that it's very quickly. Same day. So, literally same day. Okay. So, you are Okay, so that answers our question. Literally Jerry Hullman and Brian Harshman crouching in the rafters watching and listening hours after. Okay. They get the call. So they get the GTL or whatever calls hours after. So they're So they're waiting for this. They're anticipating this and they know it's coming because they've been working towards it because they've been torturing him and they can see him starting to deteriorate and decompensate and disintegrate and all the other eight world words. They were literally checking his texts and phone calls every single day, waiting for the inevitable crack. He's going to crack. Maybe today's the day. Today's the day. Today's the day. He's got to crack. I've seen the face before. Yes. After those things happen. Yes. Hours and date or hours. At this point, he has a defense, right? He quickly has a defense. Um, he's confessing. What are you thinking when you're hearing these confessions? For me personally, I was just thinking, okay, it confirms it just reconfirms everything that we have anyways. It confirms all the evidence that we have. And so it just it just starts to make our case more solid, I guess, if that's that's not really proper English. But again, for me, it was just confirmation of everything that we already knew. It was just confirmation of my confirmation bias. It's basically Mount Everest. So what was the difference between his confessions and say Elvis Field? Say, see, this is the thing. Lauren knows how to Lauren knows how to be a journalist. That's a good question and it felt organic. She can do it. She can do it. She's just for whatever [ __ ] reason it's like she's she's not. That was a good question. What made these confessions different? Oh, well, Rick was being involuntarily poisoned and medicated and he was incapacitated and he was psychotic. So his his confessions obviously were the real ones. Spit on the victims. Like what's the difference between the confessions here that you were hearing? Well, they match the evidence that we had where Elvis Fields wrong. Confession did not. Uh, those confessions that from Richard Allen, they match what we had. Um, wrong. Hey y'all, help me out because I don't remember what day of trial was the evidence uh that the girls were shot in the back presented. And what day of trial uh did they talk about the fact that the girls were buried in a shallow grave? And what day of trial did they talk about um Rick Allen's gun uh something happening to his gun on the bridge and him dropping a bullet on the bridge? What day of trial did that happen? What day of trial did um they talk about the fact that Rick Allen has also murdered his grandchild that he doesn't have. Um, and so I think that's that's the main difference for me. And you know, and maybe I'm going to turn to John here, you know, because I actually wrote that down when we brought up fields and please don't turn to John. You know, we talked about how context matters and how uh You think this is crazy. That was crazy. So within a few hours but the same day um Ouch. They get the calls and the texts. Okay, that's gross. Most false confessions, at least after someone's arrested, are coerced. There's some elemental coercion. Every time I think I'm done with this [ __ ] I find another part that makes my head explode. I don't really care what Dr. John has to say about false confessions because he's not an expert. I'd much rather hear what the expert said, but we don't get to hear what the expert said because they're blocking, you know, us from hearing what the expert said. So, let's hear what this ninkham poop sasquatch hunting Everest climbing [ __ ] has to say about false confessions because God knows that's bound to be fruitful. Tell us, Dr. John, you weirdo. Pattern of aggression and law enforcement officers that took the stand who talked about it. They didn't there was no video supporting it, but they mentioned it seemed like I don't know if you can answer this. Wait, what what is he about? What are they? Let me go back a little. I don't know what he's talking about. There's no a video to support it, but you know, the officers said it happened. That's literally the perfect synopsis of this case. [Music] Um, this is making my stomach hurt. This is the most perverted thing I've ever read in my life. I'm just going to read it because I don't I feel like I'm pushing it with the clips. Um, so Nick Mclean, the prosecutor, says, "Hey, John, let me ask you." Stop this for a second. Hey, John, let me ask you. The timing of the confessions has always been important to me, says the prosecutor. You got an individual taken to prison. He's in confinement by himself. Another word for solitary confinement. Nick, uh, he's got this dependency on his wife specifically, I believe. and now he's separated from her. He's in a situation he's not familiar with and he's lost and he's also lost his lifeline, I guess, for lack of better word. So, Nick, okay, Nick, I don't disagree with any of that. This is like consciousness of guilt [ __ ] almost. It's like he's like totally eroding any any kind of like plausible like deniability or like you a [ __ ] Bond villain just like outlying all of the evil deeds and plans that they did. Like you don't you don't have to keep talking, but you definitely should. We really want you to. Anyway, in the process, he tells his family that he's found Jesus. He found something to lean on. And he starts to read the Bible. and he in my opinion realizes that part of giving yourself to Jesus is repenting your sins or at least admitting them. Tell me what your thoughts are about the timing of the confessions. Yeah, this is him denying that this is torture and this is also him denying that this is anything other than a symptom of his delusion. Here's John. Here's John. John chimes in with his uh scripted answer. Yeah, I think it's really important. I think it actually I actually I think it adds validity to his confessions in the sense that he wants to get it off his chest, right? He tells us in the confession that he wants to be in the afterlife with his family because he wants the pain to stop. He wants to die. He wants to die so that he can be with his family again. That's why he's doing this. Not because it's rooted in reality. It's because he thinks that if he just confesses it'll all be over and the pain will stop. It doesn't make any sense. This is not this is not a a logical thought process for a man who up until this point in his life has been pretty much solid and reasonable and logical. Yes, RA had mental illness. It's really scary. It is 100% scary. What part about that adds validity? Specifically, Dr. John, you absolute muppet. He's a muppet. The only way that he can be in the afterlife with his family is to confess and tell the truth. He wants to be forgiven. Let me tell you something in case this like wasn't obvious, and they've been making this mistake since the beginning. Um, the person or persons who slit the throats of Abigail Williams and Liberty German uh doesn't feel bad about it. They don't they're not wanting to relieve themselves of the weight of that because they don't feel it. They're not they don't have a conscience. They're not like staying up at night just reeling, needing to relieve themselves of the guilt. So, you're already looking for the wrong person. If that's what you're expecting to happen, that's not a thing. They don't feel bad actually at all. So if you arrest somebody and he starts to demonstrate ser signs of serious distress and and like devastating uh emotional and psychological pain and regret or remorse or whatever the [ __ ] you're you're painting this to be. Uh-oh. That doesn't sound consistent with somebody that would do this. And Dr. John, you're a psychologist. I think it's time for some continuing ed. How about everybody in Well, you're not even in India. I don't even know where Dr. Jean is. I feel like everybody needs continuing ed. Everybody, let's all go back to school. Yeah. The whole [ __ ] about how guilty you someone feels is ridiculous. This crime was not an accident or a heat of the moment slaughtering. It certainly wasn't because someone got spooked and panicked. You go to heaven if you murder two girls and confess to it. I have questions. He claims to be a professor. That's scary. Yeah. No, to me it just adds more validity, you know, to the confessions in terms of, you know, the argument against that, I guess. I mean, I guess the argument against that is that he's being tortured. You know, I guess says the psychologist. I guess the argument against that could be that he's being tortured and that he's psychotic. Says the psychologist because he couldn't discern reality. He couldn't provide a true confession. I mean I mean that's the argument at this point in time. If you look at the window of his so-called psychosis, Dr. John, are you disagreeing with half a dozen actual professional uh professionals qualified to diagnose Rick Allen who did diagnose him during this time? Both defense expert witnesses and state expert and DOC staff. Are you disagreeing with that? Which in and of itself is questionable. Dude, you really should probably not be practicing psychology. I'm just saying that's insane. There's questions about whether or not he was faking or malingering. No, Dr. John Daffy Duck thought that he was malingering, but Daffy Duck doesn't even have a doesn't even know what malingering is. Daffy Duck doesn't even know that there's a a standardized measure to assess for malingering, which all the guards, even his therapist felt like he was probably malingering. Okay. She um she's a state actor. She was literally communicating with the state and investigators from the beginning. Uh the guards don't know their dick from their foot. I don't care what they think about mental illness. DB, why are you awake? Go to sleep. I thought we put you to bed. I thought we tucked you in. So, let's put that aside. That's the other argument. It's important for people to know. I got to go to bed. Y'all, Dr. John, the psychologist, says it's important for people to know that his psycho his psychosis occurred during a limited window. March, April, May, June. That's four months longer than than it should have and needed to. That's a really long time. Guard sketching anime movies. DBI ate it. You only need one confession. Let's grant Let's just grant the defense that he's totally psychotic. This is a game to them. This is Monopoly. This they're playing the Sims. This is Roller Coaster Tycoon. They're like drowning their park guests just for lols to see what happens. You only need one. A two week window of psychosis. That's fine. That's right. The uh the actual evidence and exhibits and records are out there. So, two weeks, huh? Two weeks of psychosis. That's convenient. this. Okay, Judgy. I have to I know what it is now. This is what they're doing. And they're using Wow. You know who the villains of the Richard Allen wrongful conviction really are? Psychologists. None of this is true or accurate or or even remotely in line with the facts of what occurred at Westville Correctional Facility to Rick Allen. Yep. So, they're saying that the the the thing I keep seeing is that his psychosis was time limited and that there were confessions before the psychosis and after the psychosis. Therefore, they're legitimate confessions. That's great. But the problem with that is that y'all also at the same time against your own best interest decided to surveil Rick 24/7 and record it like Nazis. So, the evidence doesn't support this false narrative that you're regurgitating and pushing. He never made confessions while lucid. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. forever. And the other thing that they need to remember is that he only confessed confessed while psychotic. However, he proclaimed his innocence vehemently before, during, and after his psychosis. Look at this. This is a scripted Q&A. This is literally This is Someone was like, "Why is Dr. John even here?" This is why. Yeah. I want to hear your take on it. Why do you care, Nick? You convicted him. Why do you [ __ ] care? Why do you need to know the why? You just told You just told us the why. He needed to release his uh guilt and go to heaven to be with Jesus. Is that not a good enough answer for you? Why do you need to know why? Or do you just need a do a psychologist to tell us why so that we can just buy that without asking any questions? Yeah, that's really in line with a um psychotic uh knife murderer of two children. Debbie's on the melatone. Have a script. Nick's own experts confirmed that Rick was psychotic. Whatever he needs to get the catharsis, he's going to do that. Okay, I don't disagree with that. Yeah, he needs to relieve the torment. But the torment is not coming from his own guilt. The torment is coming from his environment and the fact that you're [ __ ] with him day after day after day. Yeah, this is true. I'm getting so mad and I don't need to because this is literally these are just the words of an [ __ ] useless pigman idiot who literally doesn't know anything. Except he does. He knows better, but doesn't matter. [ __ ] him. I think that's why he's doing it. He's not getting the validation he wants from his family. Wait, what? What? Wait, what? I Does anyone know what this means? I don't want to listen to it, though. Okay, he's not getting the validation that he wants. Again, if his wife or mother had said, "I acknowledge what you just said. Let's go talk to Nick and see if we can do a plea deal because you should take responsibility. If they'd done that, he'd probably want to confess to everyone around him, right? Okay. Plea deal. This is it. The plea deal. They're so insecure about their conviction that they're going to they're going to now try and make the story that Rick didn't even want to go to trial. Judgy, this is the answer that we were looking for. Wow. Damn. Well, y'all, it only took him an hour to set the stage for it. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Mark it. Figured y'all out, you [ __ ] losers. How long did you How long you think they planned this script? It only took us what [ __ ] five hours with a ton of ADHD and interrupted interruptions to figure out what the purpose of this uh staged interview was. Plea deal. You don't have to worry. We just really don't have to worry about an appeal or a shaky shoddy conviction being overturned um if the defendant himself just, you know, pleads. never wanted to go to trial in the first place. Oh, and they're blaming his mother and his wife for not saying, you know, you should take responsibility, so it's his mother and his wife's fault, too. Got it. Yeah. If they would have just done that, he wouldn't have confessed to everybody. Yeah. You know, Nick agrees with him. Oh, he's taking advantage of it. Yeah. His need for attention. You know who else has a need for attention? this like [ __ ] gigantic blobby mass sitting in the corner talking about Sasquatch and doing a true crime fanfic voyeurism. There's three perverts on my screen and I'm tired of looking at them. They doth protest too much. How long did it take them to come up with this idea? DB shut up. Mhm. Yeah. He's seeing these people face to face instead of on the phone. That doesn't make any sense. We're we're shocked that that a that a human being whose family is everything to them, right? a human being who just fundamentally needs connection and support from his loved ones. We're just so interested and shocked that after almost 6 months in solitary confinement, he's craving attention and inter h where he's craving human interaction. We're just shocked by that. It's so interesting. They're sitting around like having these they think they're having these really interesting intelligent uh intellectual conversations. You're just jerking off to the the torture that you inflicted on someone. Y'all are sick. Y'all are really sick. Are are they okay? Do they know that this is perverted as [ __ ] Do they know that nobody is buying this? The only person who can tell us if anyone else is involved is Richard Allen. Just like the only person who's ever going to help us solve this crime is the killer. I feel like there's other options, too. Like y'all could investigate it yourselves. Listen to this. This is a psychologist. This is a psychologist. Um, you know, I think the combination of elements is the reason he's confessing is because he's obsessed. He has obsessive qualities. Okay. Well, you're describing mental illness, Dr. John. So, okay. There's something about human contact that's comforting that makes them feel safe. There's just something about it. There's just something about human contact after seven months of sensory deprivation and solitary confinement that this uh attention-seeking man finds comforting. That was huge. The nonvalidation from his mom and wife. Hey Nick, are you going to tell the people about the fact that y'all prevented Rick from making phone calls? You made him paranoid about his tablet. So, he was afraid to use his tablet because he didn't trust himself to call his family and not incriminate himself and then learn about it later because he didn't remember it because he wasn't lucid when it happened. Are you going to tell the people the reason that he was not getting validation from his mom and wife is because you were literally you saw how effect you saw how dependent he was on them and how much he needed them and how much pain he was in and how much he was being tormented and you're like wait a second well well it looks like he really uh needs this human contact with his mom and wife. And so maybe we'll just see what happens if we deprive him of that for a minute. Well, Rick had had Rick made comments throughout his stay during his psychosis that he believed that God was speaking to him, that he didn't know if he was alive or dead. He was hearing voices telling him things and and calling him names and telling him what he did, but he didn't know if it was his own uh if it was real or fake. Say more about that, Mr. Allen, please. No, I believe they were literally [ __ ] with him. And I I do believe him uh when he says that there's something wrong with his tablet and that they're they were depriving him of sleep. They were literally [ __ ] with him. Yeah, they're they were [ __ ] with him. They are absolutely capable of it. And they are giggling over it together now. And now they're doing a uh they're doing a um I don't even know what this is. They're not they're really not very good at whatever this is. Yeah, that was huge for us. The nonvalidation that was a really important weapon we could utilize against him. That's a really important piece of the puzzle. I'll never forget him saying, "Will you still love me if I did this?" And his mom was like, "Sure, I'll always love you, but you didn't do this." It's like such a disregard. What the [ __ ] does that mean, Lauren? That happened March. Cat, the religious like um stuff. But Brad and Andy in their motion in April say that they noticed his deteriorating behav like his deteriorating condition since like around Christmas, New Year's, which you know what is perfectly in line with why every civilized developed nation in the [ __ ] world agrees that nobody should be held in solitary confinement for more than 15 days. DOC says that nobody should be held in solitary confinement for more than 30. And when did Rick start to develop uh or demonstrate signs of deterioration? Right around [ __ ] 30 days. Wouldn't you know it? Go figure. It's almost like there's like science and research and evidence to support some of this stuff, you know? But Nick doesn't believe in science. He only believes in un nonvalidated, unscientific, madeup ballistics tests. Okay. They're trying to gaslight the public. They're trying to so they so they know that his they know that they know that what they know that they want the public to see the evidence of Rick's deterioration and psychosis and torture and they want the public to understand that he's faking it so they know that this is coming Oh, okay. So, this is about them getting the public on board with his psychosis is fake and it's really not that bad because he's faking it. So, even Yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe he's like psychotic, but also like he's he's needs to relieve his remorse because he wants to go to heaven. This is wrong. The only person that diagnosed him with um dependent personality disorder was um that was a diagnosis that was suggested by Dr. Poly Wescott after a thorough neuroscychoso uh biocschosocial neurological psychological examination. So no, Dr. John, you're actually [ __ ] wrong. But that doesn't matter. You just say wrong things all the time. Yeah, somebody with that uh the worst fear they have is rejection. Dr. Walla didn't diagnose him with dependent personality disorder. Dr. Dr. Walla doesn't even know what the [ __ ] that is cuz that would require her to own a DSM5 and crack it open once in the last six years. So that's ridiculous. Daffy Duck doesn't read. All right, that's wrong. So notice his psychosis is fake, but his personality disorder is real. Oh, why is it because society on the whole misunderstands personality disorders? I agree with this, too. and they're mischaracterizing what that was. It wasn't like, "Oh, he has it." She's saying he's demonstrating traits of somebody with this. However, Dr. Wescott's not a buffoon daffy duck and also recognizes that it's probably not appropriate to diagnose someone with a personality disorder while they've been in solitary confinement for a year. So, don't worry about that. Yeah, they're going to use personality disorder against him, of course. Why was there no audio? Was he confessing? Why was there no audio? Yeah, Lauren. Yeah, the court uh prevented. Yeah, Lauren, that totally makes sense with what we've seen for the last three years. The court prevented the audio from coming in because it was favorable to the state. Get [ __ ] They're so [ __ ] stupid. Wrong. That wait can what? Wrong. Wrong. What are you talking about? What does that mean? Wrong. Oh, okay. So, basically Mullen destroyed the audio and so they need us to believe that there never was any. So, how do they have these recorded uh recorded audio confessions? Really, that's not true. No, that's not true. Actually, I don't believe that that's true. I think that we actually heard differently. Lauren really wants the uh gratuitous perverted details of this. There's the incel video and then there's a video when he was transported. Mhm. Two separate videos. Incel video just seeing him in the cell, seeing all the actions the defense brought up that they thought was evidence of him being psychotic. the feces incidents. I can't remember the other ones. What more do you need? I mean, he's being recorded 24 hours a day and he's in jail for two years. So, obviously, you're I mean, if you're Let's be real, any person who's in jail for two years, if you're recording them 24 hours a day, we're all going to ingest our fecal uh matter and bang our head into our cell. And what what are you talking about? Nicholas Mclean, what does that mean? Yes, judgy. I think we need to fact check this because I'm almost positive because that was something that if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure the [ __ ] prosecutor is the one that that objected to the audio and they they had to have a sidebar over it. Right. Exactly. The only reason there was not audio anymore, and if if it's not destroyed by now, because I'm almost positive there's audio at one point. The only reason that audio is gone. Yep. Nick thinks he can say whatever he wants. Anyone who really believes that their thumb their $25 thumb drive is going to accurately and legitimately contain all of the public exhibits. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. So, the defense picked out things they thought were important. Just like I picked out the phone calls I thought were important 700 phone calls, but most of them are 20 to 25 minutes long. So, all right. Oh, I don't really want to watch this part, but this is really gross. So, so here's another scripted thing they do. This was their big moment. Should we watch it? We can watch it. It's really gross though. It's upsetting. They're so [ __ ] slimy, dude. They're not even smart. Y'all are gross and evil and stupid and dumb. Deliberated for days. Yep. And they came to their paying attention to what? Forgive me for asking this question. And actually, you're probably going to laugh. You're like, "This is it. This is what you're gonna ask." Okay. But how tall was Brit? Sorry, I was looking at the wrong time stamp. Hold on. We're not doing a height tonight. No, I don't have it in me. It's almost 3:00 in the morning. Why am I awake? I need to go to sleep. I'm going to play this last thing and then sleep. That's ridiculous. an hour and eight minutes. You couldn't show it. It's a good word. I uh was of interest to me was something that happened. to pick. So obviously there are certain things that are barred from being admitted into evidence during a trial and are not shown to the jury because they are irrelevant, prejudicial, etc., etc., etc. So those things just don't come into evidence and then they just keep it moving. However, when you really really really really really want the public to see and hear something that you think supports your theory of the defendant's guilt, you find a way to get it out. And and the favorite methodology of these stupid [ __ ] idiots stateside is to use mediocre uh low-level podcasters and YouTubers. So, that's what they're going to do. Okay. Uh there were some things that you wanted to show that Judge Gold said, "No, you can't do that." Ruled against you. One of them was of interest to me was uh something that happened with Richard Allen and Cass County. Uh so so after he had been uh moved to a different facility because there was a lot of controversy over the other facility. What was it you wanted to show in trial that you got? It was nixed. You couldn't show it. It's a good word. I uh what a narcissist. She said my name. She said she used the word the word nick is in the the word nixed. I like that. Are you okay? [ __ ] weirdo. I can't comment on it since it wasn't allowed in evidence. I I I really can't comment on it. It was obvious. I mean, you know, it was video of him in Cass County. I can't comment on it. Here's my comment on it. I can't comment on it, but here's my comment on it. I would respect this dope more if he would just not do the first part of the of the [ __ ] dance that he does. You know what I mean? Just just do the [ __ ] you know? And we thought that was something that that would benefit the jury to show his demeanor to show his demeanor. Is that because that was literally the only [ __ ] thing that you could find in your exhaustive investigation into every facet of Richard Allen's 50-year existence plus his two years in solitary confinement. The only thing that you could find to support him being Bridge guy was one video from Cass County where after two plus years of torture and torment and acute and now prolonged psychosis, Rick flipped Oh, he had an outburst. Nick has been a public defender and a prosecutor. He knows what the rules of evidence are. He knows what relevant and irrelevant means and he knows what like 404 and 403b evidence means. He is an absolute [ __ ] snake. I'll leave it at that. Okay. I I respect you. Can't say. I'll share what I've heard it is. I haven't seen it, but I've heard it is. Well, since you can't say it, I'll say it. Uh well, and you argued, you know, some things in court that I also heard, but um that it was of him threatening the guards, of him being violent and threatening violence. He was violent or he threatened violence. Lauren, let's be precise. Let's be precise in our words so that if and when the time comes for the cranks to weaponize them against you and your lies, we can do it properly. What are you trying to say, Lauren? and even threatening with possibly the use of a an knife or a sharp weapon. Why are you stuttering, Lauren? Speak up. Speak up, honey. I respect you. Can't say. I'll share what I've heard it is. I haven't seen it, but I've heard it is uh well, she's seen it. Let's be [ __ ] Be so [ __ ] for real, Lauren. You've seen it. And you argued, you know, some things in court that I also heard, but um that it was of him threatening the guards, of him being violent and threatening violence and even threatening with possibly the use of a a knife or a sharp weapon. That's what I did. He say, "I'm going to threat I'm going to use violence against you with my knife or my sharp weapon." Honey, I committed the offenses as charged. You said you know what it is. Explain the actual video. Did he yell at a guard because he was upset about something? I mean, here's my question. One, who the [ __ ] cares? Like, I I would We've We've talked about this before. I would be showing my entire [ __ ] ass. So, like, oh, he had a human moment. He was uncool while in hell. That That's like them trying to uh admit his Netflix evidence about like spooky scary hostage movies. That's the best that they could find. They've tortured this man in solitary confinement for two years and the best that they could find was one outburst where he's yelling at guards. Okay. Heard um no comment. Okay. I'll give you the very long Why are they so giddy right now violence and even threatening with possibly the use of You look so smug. An eye for a sharp weapon. That's what I heard. Um, no comment. Okay, I'll give you the very low that I uh I So, you already [ __ ] said that it wasn't appropriate for you to comment on it because it wasn't admitted at trial. That be a leak, [ __ ] Appreciate your opinion and that may be what it is. Uh, but I can't comment on it right now. Fair enough. There were on on that issue. By the way, there were certain law enforcement officers that took the stand. [ __ ] these people, man. All right. Well, I'm glad that we figured that out. We've decided that the purpose of this charade was to get ahead of the exhibits that are inevitably coming out. Nick has no idea what's coming out and he doesn't like that position very much and he doesn't know what, you know, he's trying to predict for what's coming out because he has no intention of releasing anything. Um, so he's trying to predict for what exhibits are going to be coming out next and he can't and so he doesn't like that. Mhm. They're laughing about their little rumor. Dr. John liked the idea of showing the jurors the character assassination. In my former way of living, I spent a lot of time incarcerated. With that being said, every single person flips out, especially after that much time in treatment. 100%. Nick doing spam. Okay, Cranks. Love you. Bye.