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specific was given. So various doctor breakdowns, not no specifics are given. So we might say that there are specifics that can be deducted from other information in the breakdown. For example, Dr. Kaiser is very different than a doctor in Yemen or the Red Cross.
100%. The latter might be a volunteer working for a nonprofit. They might have fancy clothes and a Rolex. Whereas the Kaiser primitive facility and I would imagine they pay the doctor's top dollar, high status, well-paid. So these are like the doctor things: 40s, older doctor, ENT, overworked, overwhelmed VR doctor, South Asian, some of them, ICU doctor.
So, the first four of these doctor breakdowns include quite a bit of extra exposition that describes context and other information which might be used to infer specific art. The Red Cross volunteer, blah blah blah, Jane Goodall. So, you kind of get it, right? Liberal hipster out in the wild specifically so they can always obviously the character's trade only an aspect of the archetype.
We have to find the right look for the doctor who also incorporates her unique specific attributes and angle on the doctor. You might be well suited for a doctor who doesn't want to rock the boat, who always follows the rules. There might be a new doctor, wet behind the ears. So like, you have to get very specific.
So kind of like sometimes what you would do, what I did, like I said, which didn't work for me, but worked for other people, is let's say you go, "I want to do a type of a doctor." Okay, like let's go, like take, take five professions and what some people would do is they would go to people that don't really know you. You would make a questionnaire like, "What job do you see me as face value?" Cuz that's what your headshot is, is face value.
Dude, it's so good. They go, "Like, I kind of see you, kind of to me, you look like a..." You know, like we can now name, Greg, adjectives to describe. So that means like, in the end, you'd be like, "Oh, this is a pediatrician."
Dude, I need to do that. Surgeon. This. So you get like a thing of like. Yeah, you're a character. You're an actual character. When so you come out of the headshot, it's like, "Okay, what do you see me as?" Like, "I can see you like you have a wife and a kid." Like, "One of the, let's say, one of it's like angry." Like, "Okay, so I'm kind of like a strict dad."
"You want it more specific than just I'm a dad?" Yeah, dude, like that's such a great idea. Like, I, I, I could ask like five people that I don't know. Just strangers.
Yeah. Yeah. "You don't really know, what do you see?" And I had that questionnaire.
"I'm going to tell you the limits of that too, by the way. But it's a good place to start. You want to start." Specific.
There's a wide variety of doctor art types. Maybe they haven't been giving any clear direction. They could like, rumple doctor, millennial hipster doctor, goth doctor, tight doctor. I don't think there's a goth doctor.
Yeah, I'm a goth doctor. That's my dad.
And what does that even mean? Like. I don't see what's going on.
I mean, there's got to be somebody who is that, I guess.
So, the perfect hedgehog given doesn't say doctor. It in fact should say hipster dog. Yeah. See, the perfect hedgehog forgiveness submission doesn't just say doctor. It in fact should say hipster overworked.
You know. Yeah.
And then you can be like, "Well, maybe it's a veterinarian." That's a different. You can have long hair as a veteran. You know what I mean?
It's actually a very challenging problem. The answer with planning the shoot, careful selection of wardrobe, shooting a variety of facial expressions and attitude, and most importantly, communicating with the photography. Picture is worth a thousand words. Iconic and yeah, the image itself must be iconic or stereotypical for the art. So like, don't try to reinvent the wheel here. Just literally you're trying to you're giving them you're trying to to fill like a.
You're typecasting yourself. When you ain't really. You know, you know what it is.
It must be immediately visually apparent what art type is being referenced. You don't want to have to explain the photo or rationalize the.
Yeah. Yeah. The wrong photo. We want to make it as easy as possible for the casting associate to find and isolate your photo in a group of 30,000.
Like, let me give you an example. So like what, what I usually, what, what people have called me in for in the past and like, what I've kind of done in sketch. Is like the um, like a lovable loser character. Sure. You know what I mean? Like, like a guy who's like, kind of rooting for, but he's like a little awkward.
Okay. Maybe like, like a quirkier Paul Rudd. So, is that marketable for this or should I.
Okay, let's take that. Lovable loser.
There's a variety of this. Is this lovable loser a stoner? Is this lovable loser.
Is this lovable loser a guy that asks girls out there? Or is he a Ross Geller who has an actual good job and dresses guys, but he's kind of like, there's different kinds of lovable losers. Paul Rudd is a lovable loser. Yes, but he's a star, so you don't necessarily want it because he's just getting cast as. He's just getting cast as himself.
Sometimes he's the loser, he's an antimon too, you know what I mean?
Yeah, for sure.
So like, uh, are you loser?
And that's only going to be figured out by doing some like, "What do you look like?"
Are you going to shave for this? Are you not going to shave?
I'm going to I'm going to leave. Because you know what I can kind of see just looking and I know you, so it's like, I probably qualify, but if you shave everything and kept the mustache and put on a. Jacket, a teacup with a mustache.
Do you know what I mean?
Totally. You are solving a lot of problems.
And what ends up happening here would be the fantasy. Now it's not like you move to LA to be a cop with a mustache. But my point is, let's say you book your first thing, uh, what's NCIS? You're doing two lines, the cop with a mustache.
Yeah. And then after you booked that, guess what? There's a ton more cop breakdowns. And now your agent is not only submitting your cop with the mustache look, he's submitting the footage of you on NCIS as the cop with the mustache. And now this cop with the mustache has has two scenes.
So now you got that. And then you get that. And now you could go like, "Well, this cop with a mustache is current for six episodes."
So now they're submitting you with your cop with a mustache and you on two huge shows. Like this guy already done the thing.
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So let's hire.
Yeah. And they don't even, you know what I mean? Okay. Now we got you. Once you did six episodes. Now when they do the. Uh, when they bring back LA. Yeah. And they just want somebody working in any as a serious regular. You will be in contention for that.
Even though you're not playing a cop, you're somebody who works in the police department and you've done it.
So, the goal is to typecast yourself. You know, Lance Reic.
I know the name. He always likes using Lance Reic. Lance Reic.
Dude, this is so helpful. Thank you, bro.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now this guy is always playing. The chief of police. Right?
He typecasted himself because you can't get over it. Credits are all going to be named. But this guy played the chief and he kind of looks like he could play. I mean, he looks kind of skinny, but. Usually he kind of has glasses. He's kind of a bigger. Yeah, he looks like this. When you tell the truth.
Yeah. You know, he played the chief of police in like four different shows. So, he's type. So, are they looking for a chief of police?
Dude, that makes so much sense because like every headshot. But you're saying this did not work for you. This.
This did not work for me. Probably because. And I can show you if I have those.
You know what it is though, dude? Because you are Indian.
Yes. I almost already kind of. You're already. They're already putting you in a certain category. If you're the Indian stereotyped. Like you're that's exactly.
I don't need. So that's. Did he tell you to stereotype yourself?
No, because I wasn't with him. But I did a different thing where they stole this method from. And I did their thing and I ended up doing. I ended up doing like seven different looks.
Do I have it in here? And you know what? Yeah. Cuz it's it's like, it's it's yeah, the Indian thing does does probably cuz it's like you could play a lot of things. You could play like the romantic guy. You could play like different things, but.
In a smaller category. Yeah. So it's like I didn't really need to even. Make it small. So now I just did well, a look at me smiling and a look at me not smiling. You know? I kind of did it like that. Like I had this. This was like one of them, you know, I was trying to do. I didn't even know what I was trying. I did like six. I did the questionnaire thing. I'm like, "Oh, I could see you as a teacher. I can see you as an office worker." Some guys are like, "I can kind of see you as like a little."
I am a teacher, dude. So, do you think do you think I should even lean into that? Like the teacher, maybe like the the eccentric art teacher. Show like Abbott Elementary.
I haven't watched that show. Yeah, that cast here. They're probably casting teachers to do co-stars and guest stars all the time. So what does a and what kind of teacher are you? You're, you know what I mean? Like. You you find out the adjectives that describe you and that's the teacher you are and then you would dress like that. You want a background that kind of looks like like a teacher, like yes. You know what I mean? So then when it's there. They're looking for a teacher. This guy sits in the lunchroom and gets weirded out by so and so. Teachers, most of the people you deal with.
Um, or is that too niche? It might be a bit too. Here's another thing you want to do.
You want to look at shows that are currently shooting in Los Angeles. So, off the top of your head, you know, Abbott Elementary, you know, NCIS.
Yeah. These are So, what kind of C what who's on IMDb and see what like the co-star, the smaller world they're casting all the time are kind of always going to be looking for cops, always going to be looking for criminals, always going to be looking for elementary. They're looking for maybe janitors. They're going to, you know what I mean?
And you kind of want to get and then you see, well, where would you easily walk on set? They think they. And you get those shots. Some weird person.
We're in LA though. Um, no, dude.
I feel like you recorded their conversation. I know. It's like, is that necessary?
I know. Okay. We're planning to organize this headshot industry. Goal is to make co so iconic, stereotypical, vivid, and grounded. Sometimes Nickelodeon and Disney, we can get away with corny or cheesy, so I wouldn't do this. Even though you can. Stereotypical. So we want to be vivid and sometimes for Nickelodeon and Disney, we can get away with corny or cheesy.
Now Nickelodeon and Disney just happen to be not casting very much anymore. They mostly just cast kids.
Interesting. I used to go in for Disney all the time and I don't anymore. And I, when I looked them, a lot of the shows stop and they're just casting at children. They're casting like two adults in that. So like, you don't want to aim for that.
Aim for something where there's only a couple people being casted. But ideally for serious dramatic projects, when we pull it, we want imagery grounded, realistic.
A good way to treat this is to copy as closely as possible the style of another human being who has already spent countless hours designing their hairstyle. She's doing their eye makeup for certain. Okay, here's another thing that you should do and I did this. Like in my headshot, that Ralph Lauren hoodie was like was like a $250 hoodie. I bought it and I returned it.
Yeah. Buy the expensive one. Spend the money and return it.
Yeah. It's a difference. Trust me. Uh-huh. Because I wasn't doing that. My old manager, who was not as nice as this one, I just went Sean. I go, "I got this." He was like, "No, return those. Go out." And I bought like.
Dude, this manager is dope. How long have you been with him? A couple years. Good for you, dude. Like this, like I bought this shirt. This is like this is like $200 Hugo Boss shirt.
He just thinks of it in terms of like, not like, "Hey, be do leading man shots." It's like this is. Well, because his journey was this. He was like, "I worked with people who had no experience and over the years became series regulars." So now I, he kind of things clicked for him. So he had one woman, I don't remember her name, but she got a part. He eventually got her. She was a bit of a nerd looking girl, white with glasses. She had a headshot like that. Looks like a bit like Amy Adams. I forgot her name, but. Eventually she got a a recurring in London. She's like a computer working person.
Not that big in there. But enough to live off of probably. Maybe not even, but still not enough to make some money. Yeah. And and have. Okay, we can go from here now. So from that, he was trying to typecast her as nerdy computer girl and then she got another recurring in a Seth Rogan show playing the same thing and then after that she got a series regular playing Seth Rogan's wife in his next show.
So we saw like, "Oh, we typecasted her as that and we kept her as that." And the shots matched that.
I feel like dude, the easiest thing for me to do would be teacher because I've been doing I'm doing it so much. And a teacher, you might want to be clean shaven for that.
Sure. So, choose. Choose what kind of teacher, cuz there's the hungover teacher, too.
Yes. Which I don't think that's you. Yeah. You know.
No, it's not. Um, it's the eager teacher who wants to do a good job. That would be the.
Another source of iconic imagery is the shared cultural viewpoint. You can imagine that most experienced casting professionals will be familiar with a wide variety of film and television references. So you're going through a headshot specifically references an actual character in a highly regarded show. Yeah.
Like Grey's Anatomy is still shooting. Think about that show. You know, it's likely that the casting personnel will implicitly recognize the imagery and properly associate it with the realistic and grounded view of that type of character. Headshots are visual communication. They don't say anything specific. There is a real question about whether or not casting will have any interest in them. They are casting specific roles on specific projects. It's not generic actors on generic roles and generic projects. Even even the project has an influence on what a doctor might mean. A doctor on 68 Whiskey, that was a show about vets in Afghanistan, but there'll be a doctor that might be working in the VA. And there was a doctor on The Vampire Diaries might look like a Gucci model.
Cuz there's doctors on those shows. You know? So, you got to figure out that. Where do you fit in?
Don't worry about the project roles that don't suit you. There are roles for every size, shape, and talent in Hollywood. But you're not going to work if casting cannot effectively see you as a possibility. Does that make sense?
Be seen. Stand out. Don't blend in. Don't try to look like other actors. I thought.
Dang, dude, that is so helpful. Um, I think there's more. This is another thing. So, he did this. He separated all my clips. It's like, so when when he when he submits me for things like Happer Forger Doctor, he does these three clips. Bro, he does these three clips. So, because you're going to put clips up. Instead of putting the whole demo reel, 2 minutes. So, you're going to want to do, once you like if you're a teacher, you know, put the teacher clip. If you're please put the. So, like, kind of want to have that.
And this was the big thing that he had, but I can't access it now cuz the the access is gone. It's old, you know? But let's just see if we can kind of. Here's some example. Sarah Wexler, hippie chick. Like that's a hippie chick headshot, but it could be, but it's not too much.
It's enough. Yeah. It's not. It's not so over the top.
Yes. And this woman works a lot. One of his clients. But it's enough.
Yes. Uh, this is something too, right? It's not too much, but it's like this looks like a guy. He could be a computer hacker forger. You know what I mean?
He looks like a computer guy. Yeah. And then this has a loud background, but it kind of works. It's not as, you know. She's someone who's like seductress.
Well, she could be in Euphoria. She could be a college girl. She could be the mean girl. She. It's kind of like. It's very kind of obvious. It's obvious of who she is and what she's doing. Yeah.
This is very obvious. Yeah. The nerdy girl that gets that freaks out when the guy comes around.
Yeah, I think this is the one that cut her hair into the mullet and she got tired of working a lot, you know.
So, the dress matters. Layers are good because when they whenever you go on set and they dress you, they always put you in layers. I know in real life I just wear one shirt, you just wear one shirt, but they like overdoing things, so layers helps.
100%. Um, now I would like to. Okay, let's see if we can read this now. Even though I can't look at the grid. Make a copy of this grid. Cuz see, I have the grid here. And for some reason, I can't open it, which is [ __ ] annoying. Read the role description, searching for appropriate roles for you. So, what he did is he put a bunch of breakdowns of like all the shows and you find the one that you think you can play.
For each role you were capable of playing, copy and paste a thumbnail from your best headshot that fits that. So, what headshot we have now that hit that? If you don't have an appropriate headshot, put it a question mark. So, there might be roles that you can play that you have no headshot. Um, and that's what you want to get.
Yeah. Make a list of common recurring archetypes that you can play but don't have photos for. So, that's kind of what I was telling you to do. Go through the grid and determine if you can improve or fine-tune your headshots by getting looks with alternate tones. So basically what I did is when I was kind of going and I did a not as sophisticated specific process as but it was basically like I did 20 questionnaires or 25 questionnaires where it was like, "What are five professions you see me as? What are five adjectives you describe me as?" And then I think I asked another question, I don't remember what it was and I don't have access. I tried looking for it. And basically what I ended up with, I think I did like eight looks. One of them was like, kind of a sarcastic office worker. So, I had a look where I was like, kind of wearing a blue shirt and the collar was a bit popped and the tie was loosened and I was like, "Really?" You know what I mean? And then I another one was kind of like, "Oh, a bit of a uh an authoritative uh middle management guy." I got a nice dress shirt, handshake, and I'm kind of have a serious look. You know what I mean? Kind of like a cop in a way, but I'm not, you know.
Totally. Cubicle cop. Another one was kind of like um low-level like petty theft crook, you know what I mean? I wore a leather jacket with a hoodie and I was it was kind of a dark background and I just like kind of had like a suspicious like I was suspicious of somebody. A little bit like I'm looking into something. So, I did all these different looks. Did not work for me. But I also have a feeling it didn't work for me because at the time I was doing a lot of big room yoga and I just looked so dehydrated in my picture. I looked old cuz in that span of a couple years I was only getting auditions for like way older than me, like 38, you know. So I think my manager got fed up. She goes like, "Okay, enough. You need new headshots. These don't even look like you." And that's what I got. And she goes, "No, just go buy some nice clothes and, you know, do these new headshots." And I think in the end, anyways, I did kind of generalize.
Dude, that gives me so much that gives me so much work. You know, um I think I already have like way more clarity in my brain.
So, you see what I mean? It's like you don't just. Oh, hold on. I might have it here. I might have the questionnaire.
Hang on. I'm going to write something down that you said actually. Dude, if you have the question.
Oh, dude. I think I do. Right here. Dude. If you do, please send it to me.
Let me see. Okay. Headshots. Yeah. Three most common mistakes actors make with their headshot. A pretty picture. Sending mixed signals. It's generic. What makes an effective headshot? Thoughts behind the eyes, obviously in your niche, in your wheelhouse, communicates a single vision. Looks good as a thumbnail.
Yeah. Mixed signals is what I've done a lot in the past. Headshot to reflect your money maker. Some technical diff comedy look. Flat, even lighting, bright colors, off-center versus TV dramatic, more shadows, straight on, muted colors, important. Oh, yeah. This was I think one of the questions. What socioeconomic class do you do you easily fit in? Let's say you're playing a lawyer. Are you playing a a lawyer who doesn't Yeah. Who doesn't have much money? Good women or are you playing a high-end.
I would play not not a high-end one. I would play like one who's like kind of struggling for.
I feel like dude, I, I have so much clarity in my mind of like how I need to market myself as an actor now. This makes so much sense, dude.
So these are some questions like I don't. You shoot with natural light? What location do you use? I mean, this doesn't really matter, but I would definitely just because you have the mustache. I would definitely. And if you want, Amanda has a cop uniform, like a jacket.
I might shave the mustache off before though, dude. You think.
No, no, you can take the picture and then shave it. Yeah. I did that.
Okay. Do you offer retouching? Is it included? How much it cost? What physical items will I have? Okay. Okay. Okay. So, now I don't have that thing. But that was still. Let's see what this is.
Oh, here it is. I have it.
Oh, dude. So awesome. Please send that to me.
Oh, yeah. Five-year believable range. Adjectives. People describe me as occupations. People see me as celebrity lookalikes. Cuz let's say somebody says you look like whoever. I used to get Steo, but I don't even know who I look like anymore.
Yeah. And Steo doesn't isn't he's not relevant. It's more like if you look like Paul Walter Hauser and you can like go in his IMDb and see what his shots look like and you know what I mean? Uh-huh. Essence of TV or film world I belong in. So then this, if you can print 25 of these out. Yeah. Send it to people and then you make an Excel like, "Okay, a lot of pe the top it's probably going to have like 10." Like, "Okay, what are the top five that got the most votes?" You know? Or I guess in your case, it would be top three. You know? Uh, so this can I airdrop it to you? Would I get it or I have to be on Wi-Fi? Air drop.
Uh, you got to be on Wi-Fi, I think. So this I'll send to you. Maybe you can airdrop it. All right, try it. Is your airdrop open?
Should be. Let me see. Let me double check. Uh, where is airdrop?
There's a nice airdrop. Just look up airdrop. Sometimes airdrop like. I don't even know where it's at on this new phone. I thought it was under Bluetooth. Why don't I find my hotspot?
Where the hell? I mean, dude, you know what you can even do? You guys take a picture, too.
Yeah, take a picture. Okay, hang on. Cool. And there was uh Oh, you can do even do the scanning app. Actually, that might be better because then you actually just print it. Do you have the scanning app? Oh, CamScan. Oh, no, no, no. Give me your thing. Um, and it was all yellow.
Oh, dude. I didn't even know this existed. Yeah. Is this a new lab?
No, it's always. So now you have it. You can just print that.
This is it. Okay. Sweet. Let me send it to my. Because you might because the thing is they are judging you on face value. So you kind of want to do it. You know what I mean? Because Yeah. Because you might get an answer. You don't know. And honestly for you, it might be more effective cuz you're a white dude.
It's the most of you. So you probably need to go more specific.
I think so, dude. You know. I think so, dude. Um, hang on. Because also it'd be a variety because it wouldn't be just teacher, like the teacher would also work for social worker. It would also maybe work for nurse, would also maybe work. So it's like you have to embody that quality. What what adjective is that? And see what wardrobe would be like. Okay, what can I submit for? A teacher, a nurse, and a social worker.
Yeah. Together. You know, and then what kind of are you a worried one? Or are you a concerned one? Or are you an enlightened one? You know, what is what is the best look that comes?
That makes so much sense. And you and don't be afraid to even do a few test shots in a room in your in your house. Put something on. Let me see how this look looks like when I paint this.
Yeah. To and like and then he's like, "I'm gonna do an enlightened one and I'm gonna." Because like when you're meeting a social worker, you're either going to meet somebody who's kind of stressed. You're going to meet somebody who's concerned. You're going to meet somebody who's who's concerned but like warm. You're going to meet somebody who's concerned, worried, and you're going to meet somebody who's got it figured out. So which one are you? So do all the looks. Be like, "I think of these four, I look like the one who's got it all figured out," or "I think of these four, I look like the overworked, stressed one." And that's what you go in there with. And then you go out and you get the most expensive version of the wardrobe you made. So get a $90 t-shirt and a $200 hoodie.
Yeah. Spend like $600 bucks on clothes and return. And then and take the shot, keep the tags. And it's going to make a difference. Trust me, it does. Uh-huh. And then return it.
It's great advice, dude. You know. It's great advice. Yeah, man. That that gives me so much to work with now.
Yeah. I have like Dude, honestly, I'm so glad that you shared all that with me cuz I have so much. I see if it's worth it for you. Like I said, it didn't work for me. So, I'm. Yeah, but I think as a white. You know what I'm saying? Like, as a white dude, like there is the most of me.
Yes. So, it's like I do need to try to stand up. That makes so much sense, dude.
Yeah. Yeah, man. Dude. Yeah. That makes all the difference in the world. Yeah. And just think about it that way that you know you are set dressing. That's why I'm looking at that mustache. This then a police officer on that and then a yoga person here. It's like, no, they kind of play the same thing and then eventually they blow up and then they can do whatever they want.
Yes. 100%. Yeah. Like it's it's so crazy, dude. Like it it really is all branding. It has nothing to do with acting. I mean, you have to be able to like act somewhat.
Of course, you have to know how to do it. And it makes a difference. Like, if you're bad, if you shot yourself in the foot, but they're looking, they're looking for looks. It's a visual medium.
Like he says, they're looking at the headshot breakdown. "Oh, this guy matches that." They're doing it in a second. Uh-huh. They're doing it in a in a [ __ ] second.
Mhm. You know, like Amanda goes out a lot for. Does Amanda audition?
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I wasn't sure if she was still recurring in a TV show. Like two episodes she played a nurse. She goes a lot for nurse and a lot for cop and she has one headshot of her in scrubs and one headshot of her cop.
Interesting, dude. And uh, it's so smart. And then as you get more well-known, you could probably. Yeah, cuz now when she gets the footage from that show, now they'll submit her for scrubs and she's has footage of her doing two episodes of a TV show in the nurse scrubs and a headshot in scrubs. It's kind of like, "Oh, okay." That immediately puts now you're in a smaller pool that you're competing with.
I mean, if you really wanted to be bold, you would shave half your head and put green contacts and it's kind of like, "Oh, now you're." You're not going to do that. But you know what I mean? Then you.
Right, but then you have to be calm that in your personal. A little bit. Well, that's what my manager was saying. He's like, "Look, I had another actor, some regular, just white Jewish guy. He's tall. He decided to just stop shaving. He grew his beard long, grew his hair long. He started booking commercials like crazy because he's always booking like commercials for Jeep or like tent camping outdoor. He's getting all of these things now because he looks like that. So he's in a smaller pool." It's like, "Yeah, it sucks. He's got to walk around."
What's the percentage of people you think that know this? Very small.
And so it's like almost. A little bit. Yeah. A little bit. And it's worked for at least three or four of his clients and he told them, "You need to develop a look." He tried doing it with me because he goes like, "You know, I looked at some of your videos. He saw cuz you know I always grow my sideburns sometimes." He's like, "Some I saw some of them when you had like long sideburns." Oh yeah. I grow like try that. And I grew the sideburns out really long for a while. It didn't work out for me. And then next she goes like, "Man, I go, I guess I guess we you don't need to do it." You know? Cuz I booked.
Cuz she wanted you to shave it. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I booked at Frasier, they made me shave it. Then I booked at Law and Order, they made me shave it. So I'm actually booking it despite not looking like this. So he's like, "Okay, maybe cuz maybe you don't do it, you know."
Yeah. Like I said, I think I think I think that you are in a unique position cuz you're Indian. Like I don't think. I mean, there are other Indians. No, he said it's a combination cuz you're Indian, you do standup. And you're kind of like, you're a good serious actor.
You are. Yeah. So it goes and casting knows you've been here. So they don't even they're like, "Oh, yeah, sure." They kind of like they're used to seeing you. On the other side. So they it almost doesn't matter what your headshot is.
Yeah. Yeah. But as you're as you're trying to build your credits up, you do that and then you can maybe go a little bit more broad.
Yes. Exactly. So let's say when you book your five credits. And you want to get headshot again, now you just do a headshot like it's just you wearing a V-neck.
Yeah. You know what I cuz you have the the proof. Yeah, cuz now they they kind of know you. I was like, "Oh, Mac got you headshot." And they called you in for this. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Smart, dude. So smart. Like I wish I would have known this 20 years ago.
Oh, I'm happy it was valuable. I knew that. I was like, I want to show it to you.
Yeah, dude. It makes so much sense. Worth it for you. So that when you go. That's why young dad, it's kind of like young dad is going to be inside of the teacher, nurse. So it's going to be in there. You don't really have to do one that's young dad. Cuz those people are dads. Cuz the thing that's going to be conveying young dad is you being a warm person with a kind of elementary school background and looking like a father. That's looking like a social worker, looking, you know what I mean?
That will convey it'll be in there.
Yeah. So. 100%. So, yeah. I mean, go over that form. I'll send you that email again when I get home. I want to see if I can find other [ __ ] that he's there's some value. The only thing is he's really sensitive about sharing the stuff.
Well, because it's probably his fault. Yeah, cuz he got because like he goes, "If any of you do career activate, I am dropping you." Because that was the thing I was in before where I got that thing. They stole it from him.
Oh. And they is not as good as his. That's where that form came from. That was actually his. It was a bastard version of.
And are they selling this to people? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're selling it. Yeah. They charge like three grand to do the program and it's a lot of it is from his stuff.
That's crazy. Trying to find. Okay, here we go. Can I send this to you? See if I can look at this. Oh, come on. This is a copy of a manifesto describing in great detail the issues facing actors who aspire to have theatrical careers. Since we've discussed these concepts in the past, this could be seen as a detailed elaboration of variety of subjects including looks, credits, typecasting, and auditioning. Uh, I'm going to see if I can open it.
So, you did you do this activate thing? I did. I did it on. It was 3K.
It was 3K. It was $3,000. Yeah. I did the base. The lowest level. We love hanging with so much money for it.
And $3,000 was the lowest level. Yeah. And I was even with a deal. Like it be. But it was worth it for me. It was worth it for me. Actually, you know what? It wasn't. I didn't get [ __ ] out of it. But what I got out of it, I was like, "Are they still doing it?"
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, "Oh, guys, there's like a Facebook group like, 'Oh, guys, they're doing a free shield showcase at the Impro Theater for ages.'" And I go, "Okay." And I went to it and I got a new manager from that and I booked. So, it's like kind of like, "All right, I guess from that it was worth it." Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Um, I will try to send you this manifesto. Let me see.
Yeah, please do. Oh, that's her name. Rachel Rosenlue. Booked a series lead and consume. That was the name of the girl.
This is his client. Yeah. And she's a lead.
She was the one where he started her. So, she kind of became a star in a way. Yes. Not. She's not super famous, but she's working and she's making hundreds of thousands of dollars off acting.
Yeah. And it was from Oh, yeah. Here we go. The L future blog. I'm going to draw an analogy between what they call a business pivot in the com world. He got. He basically sold an app in the 90s and made like millions of dollars.
Your manager. Manager. Yeah. He's from Japan. Sold an. He moved. Interesting. He's Japanese.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And now he then he got into entertainment getting a new look for an acting career and that's a future. I'm going to draw your attention to the fact that the Lance Reic protocol actually is utilized in great many industries. It's highly successful business strategy. So he goes into like in the post-war consumer culture, we had this capitalist idea of getting the product right. Sometimes it's called seeking a winning formula. That's Colonel Sanders, Lemon Herbs and Spices. Like, so he goes into great.
Dang, dude. You know, police in this Vanguard Investment Fund, the Volkswagen Beetle. Like, see, that was their look. Uh-huh. That blew them up. They have other. No one's buying the Beetle, but Volkswagen is here because of that.
Yeah. That's kind of his point, you know. It's not just for acting. It's for everything. You know, Telecaster guitars. Once you have a winning product that customers love, why change it? Some signs that you have found a good commercial agent enthusiastically.
I can maybe I can send you this note actually. I'm not going to say I can send this to you. I sent you this. I don't know if it's. The manifesto thing.
No, it's not. It's just another thing that he wrote that's going to kind of instill what you're trying to do with your headshot.
Yeah. A lot of this stuff in the beginning, you know. This has a lot of like blog posts. Let's see. What is this? That's the one I just looked at. How old is this dude? He must be in his 50s.
He sounds like he's lived a lot of life. Yeah. Like he was trying to get me into writing a lot. Like SNL, late night writing. He was trying to get me into these things. But then he's like, after the writer strike, it was just kind of like it's like. He was trying to get me into these types of things.
Yeah. I was writing for late night. I'll try to send you that manifesto because it honestly it's very valuable, especially.
Yeah, dude. If you can find that, please send that to me. It's here. I think. I don't get my pictures till July 11th, so I got a little bit of time.
Oh, you have some time. Okay. I mean, it's not that much time. I would definitely. Yeah. Start doing this now. Uh-huh. Um, see talk to the headshot photographer. Uh-huh. And maybe find some headshots that you have. Like, can you do something like this? Cuz like I don't think the Brian headshot with the bright green background.
No, I don't think so either. You know. The yellow one isn't that bad. It's almost like if I were to like teach, start teaching and he can get some things like I can actually teach to the camera.
Yeah. Like the type of teacher that I am. So if it's like if it's like frustrated teacher, you know what I mean? Like talking and doing like that.
But the problem with frustrated teacher is that it won't lend itself to social worker as well. Ah, so if it's compassionate teacher.
Yes. Yeah. So hey, you know, like more of a warm.
Yeah. And I would consider. I would. Yeah. I would definitely consider do at least one. I kind of feel like I mean, you're doing how many looks? Three.
But the thing is his package. What are his packages? I don't even really know, dude. I I. Because if you can do do three, but I would kind of recommend as not one of the third ones as not one of the three. Just wear the cop uniform with your mustache.
Yeah, I think he'll just I think he'll let me just do it. It's such an easy sell cuz there's so many cop rules and you having the mustache. Is like a big [ __ ]. Could be the awkward cop. The rookie. The awkward rookie cop. But it'll be like, you'll be kind of at least you'll have that in the back pocket. At least you'll get those auditions.
Yeah. Oh yeah. Anyways, take a look at it. I'm going to try to send you the man. Read some of this tonight. Read that thing tonight. And I'll send you the manifest. Look at that.