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I've seen some crashes in my time, but nothing quite like this. This is on another level. She literally runs away mid-podcast. And now, believe it or not, she's actually suing them.
"Yeah."
I don't know why she's crying. I don't know. I I have no idea. This seems very manipulative, by the way. I'm just pointing that out.
"And keep in mind, this is a teacher. What does she teach?"
High school.
"So, you teach like uh elementary school kids?"
"No, high school."
"Oh, high school. Okay."
"So, Andrew Wilson lays out the argument we have analyzed many times. So what you keep doing is appealing to patriarchy for your rights by saying I would never say I appeal to patriarchy for my rights. You say hey I want to I want to appeal to men because we need men in order to protect us from the patriarchy which means you're appealing to men for your rights."
"She's trying to change the frame to oh I'm just going to sit here and listen to what you have to say. I can't contend with any of it though."
"That's it. Okay. Not not going to not going to engage anymore. All right."
"I I already told you I just don't have anything else to say on this. So I I feel like we've had a good conversation. I mean, I I've enjoyed hearing what you have to say, but I just don't have"
"Yeah. Well, I mean, I would have enjoyed, you know, like actually critiquing the view, but since you don't make the view,"
"you have for like the last like 15 minutes,"
"you know, you've just been very evasive."
"She has no idea what she's gotten herself into. She doesn't see a way out. She keeps taking breaks."
"Okay. Yeah, feel free to take your break. We'll uh read a couple chats here."
"All right. We've got one sec, guys."
"Look at the look that Andrew and Brian give each other. Just like, what is going on? Why couldn't minorities be racist towards the majority? Well, what they what academics do?"
"She leans over, starts to whisper something to Brian."
"Hold on. Uh, can you just I I hate to interrupt you, Andrew. Uh, can you just"
"can you repeat what you just said to me privately there?"
"Yes. Um, I would I will be needing to leave at 6 p.m. So, for anyone who is leaving um or who was watching and not 6:30 because uh I have a lot of reasons and one is that I have to drive 2 hours tonight um in the dark. So, I would like to leave at 6 PM and I'm making that known and um I hope that our agreement can be fulfilled."
"The agreement meaning the money. So, I hope you will still pay me."
"Uh but can you specify I mean you agreed to do"
"6:30?"
"That that was the agreed upon,"
"right? Yeah. Um I mean I don't again ask me to continue to explain myself is a little bit tiring but"
"it's a health issue. You can't question me. And this is how students will lay it out often as well as"
"I just I there's a lot of reasons. I mean, I have some health issues. I just sitting here for this prolonged period. I was not told, by the way, that this was going to be 3 hours. I thought it was going to be an hour max."
"She's clearly done this in the past and has met no resistance."
"I actually was very poor communication on your end. But anyways, I'm telling you that I will be leaving."
"Communication on your end. You're going to a show and didn't bother asking how long it was going to be."
"No, I did when I got here, but I will be"
"Wait, wait, wait, wait. when you got here."
"I'm I'm leaving at 6."
"If you're a college professor, you've probably seen this very pattern play out."
"Like, this is not an environment for me that I am uh"
"Oh my god, you whine so much. She agreed to 6:30 right in front of me. I like and now she's retracting it. It's like what what is going on? I don't know."
"Well, I'm going to drive in the dark. I can't drive in the dark. And then it's well, I have health concerns. And you cannot dare question that. And clearly, she is used to this working in her life. She probably does this and people do not question her assumption and have health problems."
"Yeah, but why would you have serious different are you serious?"
"I'm talking serious. Why would you have a different assumption? Why would But why how would we know that?"
"I'm telling you now."
"Of course. But don't you think that if you saw the last two episodes, they went 5 hours. Why would you presume that yours was going to go less and that we would know you had health issues?"
"Because I'm telling you, I have"
"When you get to the show,"
"oh my god. Wow. Unreal. If you want to leave, fair enough, fine. But don't try and keep the money that you made an agreement upon. And don't play this game of it's about health problems."
"Uh you get to the studio then say you have health issues. It's like, yeah, you know, it seems fundamentally dishonest,"
"right? I mean, that's just kind of something that you don't want to disclose cuz it's a little embarrassing."
"I don't understand how health problems could be a contributing factor what is to what is happening right now. Um, I mean, you look, you agreed to"
"I agreed to appear, not say for the entire"
"Yeah, but that you can't do some technicality where well, I showed up for two minutes and I'm just going to leave and get the benefits of Look, Kylie, just take a five minute breather. It's"
"I probably wouldn't even be talking about this if it were not for the fact that now she's suing them. Andrew asked her, "Okay, if I wanted to start a business and I just wanted to work with men, would that be wrong?" And she goes, "Yeah." Why is that not something I should have the freedom to choose for myself? Why?"
"I believe it's wrong to make someone feel ashamed and not hire somebody and give them different outcome based off of their race or sex or"
"But you don't believe it's wrong to tell people that they must do a thing they don't want to do."
"Not at all. No, I don't."
"There's an irony to that cuz she cannot be bothered to do something she doesn't want to do."
"Then it's not really about choice. Okay. So the second pillar of feminism is uh not true."
"You just debunked it like so fast just like that."
"It's pretty Yeah, it's pretty false. You just said it's not really about choice. It's really about an agenda, right? What was the third pillar of feminism? And she just has no response."
"Um well, I think we're getting close to the end. Is this what we want to talk about for the last, you know, few minutes?"
"Well, we have another 30 minutes."
"The look in her eye like I can't talk about this for 30 more minutes. What am I going to do? You could not have a more clear tactical retreat than this."
"Well, we have another 30 minutes."
"Sure."
"It's 5:59 right now. We have"
"All right. Well, I might just have to take another break cuz I'm not feeling so hot."
"You can't make this up."
"Uh, one thing here. I think it would be fair."
"I just told you I have medical issues, though. Like, I genuinely need to take a break."
"Hold on."
"It sounds like a college student. I just told you I can't take the test. I just told you I have medical issues. Well, what are the medical issues? I can't talk about that. It's too emotional."
"Her like I have problems. Like I"
"Yeah. No, look, do you want to go ahead and take the break and we'll let some chats come through?"
"Okay."
"I genuinely feel bad for Brian here. He's trying so hard to make this work that I've disagreed with Brian in the past. I think he did a good job of handling all this. And what is all this really about the money?"
"Because I'm assuming if I leave early, you won't pay me. So, but I've had someone in my comments offer to pay me the amount that I was paid to be here. So, I'm going to go because I again I have medical problems. I'm not feeling good."
"What if somebody in our chat offers to pay you more?"
"Do you think they would?"
"It's just a matter of money."
"Yes. If someone offered, I would stay and I would cry on camera, but I don't know if they would."
"This is why we have the wage gap."
"So, let me get this straight. So, it's not actually about a medical problem because if the money's right, you'll stay."
"But I highly doubt that someone will offer that."
"So, if you stay for another 2 hours, what what would that cost?"
"Oh my god."
"Like 500 bucks?"
"No. My god. More"
"on top."
"Like probably double. If it was actually doubled, I would stay cuz again I am like I do have problem like so I could probably stay a little longer."
"I would just have to"
"I would need like triple cuz I I like"
"Troy triple."
"You're a tough negotiator, Kylie. You're a tough negotiator."
"I genuinely do have issues though. Like I'm not that's not a lie. So I just don't like to talk about it but I like I have a hard time. What kind of medical condition would prevent her from being able to engage in a logical conversation like this?"
"What is the issue anyway?"
"I don't really like to talk about it, but I've had like concussions. It was It's like I get like really bad headaches and like"
"Do you want We have like Tylenol or ibuprofen. We could give you"
"But I don't really want to go too much into it."
"Okay."
"But I just don't think this is a good environment. I guarantee she has never been challenged by someone like Andrew before who's coming at this from the level of epistemology. She's coming at it from the level of emotion."
"So I think um I'll just take the offer that the person has given me of the original mount and I'm just going to head out. I think so. Yeah."
"She takes the money and runs. But the story is not over there cuz now she is suing whatever podcast. And when I told them to pay me back, they sent me a threatening, abusive email."
"Ah, yes. a threatening and abusive email"
"for essentially emotional damages."