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Hey Charlie, I've been watching your videos for a long time. Um, been a big fan of yours. Um, one thing I will say is that um, I have come out here um, not not only because I turned conservative in about 2016 with uh, Trump's first run. I have always also been a devout atheist and I've been proud in my belief with that. I find the uh, book the Bible to be a a very fictitious book. I find it I find that it has a lot of contradictions that are not squared away by anybody that that uh, finds it that that reads it. So, I'm just want to know um, how well, one thing I want to get for you before um, we dive into that is how can we get more people of of different faiths to come to the conservative movement instead of because a lot of what I see of you is is espousing on, you know, Christian virtues and and uh, to a lesser extent Jewish. But I think that there there could be a lot more that we could do with ideas rather than uh, the beliefs of of religion. Let's start with the idea of atheism, if that's okay.
I'm going to go through all of the arguments for God's existence. Okay? I want you to tell me if you've heard them before or if they are compelling. Okay? First is what's called the ontological argument for God, which onto comes from the Greek, it's the Greek word for being. Sure. So, the highest conception of human beings. We can only conceptualize that which is real. And so, the highest conception of our own, you know, combined wisdom is God.
I think this is the weakest argument for God, to be perfectly honest. Right. I agree with you there. Yeah. Yeah. It is a it is a proof that an ontological view of God. The second of which is called the cosmological view of God, coming from the Greek word cosmos, which means all-encompassing creation. If you look around with creation, there are 15 fine-tuned measurements that if anyone went off by a micron, our entire existence would not exist. The tilt of the earth, our proximity to the sun, our configuration of oxygen to carbon dioxide. Uh, in fact, we can look at the probability of our existence. It's one in multiple trillions that all of this would come together at an exact time, let alone consciousness, let alone human beings, let alone our DNA. Sure.
And I I want to counter that with the fact that there are um, millions upon millions of galaxies with millions upon millions of their own stars, with millions and millions of their own planets. If if we didn't, I don't I don't think that if if this earth was not in this exact space as as it exists now. I think that that is is also not compelling because we if we would have, we would have found existence on in another location in the universe if it was not just in this. I don't have enough faith to believe that, but let me continue onwards.
Then there is what's called the teleological uh argument for God, that comes from the Greek word telos, which means uh, we get the word telescope, it means goal, destination, or purpose. This here goes to an argument that for every cause uh, there for every effect, there must be a cause. So, for example, we can agree that space, time, and matter exist. We agree. Yes. Therefore, definitionally, something that is outside of space, time, and matter must have made space, time, and matter exist.
Not necessarily. We we can there there against the laws of reason. No, because because there could always be a universe that existed before our Big Bang. It's not it could have, we could have existed with space, but no matter in a very tiny point, that's what basically the Big Bang was. So I don't see how that proves how that disproves atheism. And it's more atheism is more of a I don't believe God exists. Why is this compelling? Well, I'm going to go through two more proofs of God and then we'll finish.
Then there's what's called the Kalam proof of time, which is thanks to Albert Einstein. We know that time uh, is actually a real thing that can be traversed with enough speed. Um, and in order for time to exist, something timeless must have created it. Finally, there's something called the axiological view of God. I don't know if you know this one. Axios comes from the word uh, the Greek word judgment. Um, axios and judgment mean the same thing, which basically means that every human being has some form of right and wrong embedded in us. Uh, for example, when the Nuremberg trials were happening, um, the Nazis were not able to say, "Well, it was just the laws of the land." They actually appealed to a higher power, saying that every one of us had some good or evil within us out of all.
So that doesn't, I mean, that that kind of disproves, right? I mean, if if they if they were if the Nazis were able to point to something outside of themselves and say, "Hey, this is the reason why we're doing this." They didn't. No, the point is the Nazis didn't. Is that the people doing the trial did, meaning the Nazis were not able to excuse that. So out of all those proofs of God, what what if any of them are persuasive to you? None. None. None. Okay.
So then what if you look at a human being and you look at the improbability of our, you know, how we are put together, do you believe that we are largely an accident of multi-billions of years of evolution? Yes. How do we know? How do we not know that there's how do we know that there isn't something that's uh, identical to us on another, you know, planet somewhere that we haven't encountered yet? It's just it's it's just a skeptic, a skeptic in me that's that's thinking that way that that says, hey, maybe there's something out there that we haven't contacted yet that that is is, you know, on a in a another galaxy or another planet or something that we just don't know about, or maybe there isn't.
Okay. So the improbability though of our existence and the earth and oxygen and carbon and nitrogen and all of it together. You don't marvel at a human being able to heal itself when it's cut or grow to it. No, because because we're not the only uh, beings on earth that can do that. There's a lot of people. Well, we are the only ones that can reason, though. Okay. Do do you marvel at our capacity to reason? It even the the the ability for mammals or reptiles to reproduce life? You don't see any intelligent design behind it. None. You just see it as a it's a it's a consequence of of natural selection and evolution over millions and mill probably millions of years.
So we both have faith. Okay. I would argue you have a lot more faith than I do. You have a lot more blind faith to believe that everything around you, love, joy, peace, sadness, is all just a construct of neurons firing in your brain. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. So do you believe that we are just limited to our five senses? Um, no, I think even science has said that there can be like a sixth sense of what is sense, like a sixth sense that can be aware of of what's surrounding the body that like I can know that there's another person next to me or there there's a microphone in front of me. I can sense that. I don't need to have my eyes or I I could be blind and I could still know that that was there. I mean, it I didn't need I don't I could I used more than five senses. We scientists told us that for decades that we have no.
What do you think happens when you die? Nothing. Our our electronic impulses just stop firing. And and let let me ask you the the most important question. Do you hope you're wrong? Not really. No. I mean, I I've got. So you don't you don't desire an afterlife. I I I consider the this life as an atheist the uh, more compelling than even when I when I was younger and when I was religious because I think that this is the only life we have. It's we need to do with it what we can, the best that we can do it, and and it's like I said, it's just the one chance we got. We don't have an afterlife. We don't have anything after that. So our goal is to do become the best people that we can possibly be in that one chance that we get.
Okay. I I I will I will I will be stunned. So you hope that there's no eternal judgment and you never see your loved ones after you die. No, not really. I just want to. I hope you all internalize just how dark that is, how sad that is. And and we and it's fine. I'm not trying to criticize you. We as Christians have hope that we are going to see our loved ones again and that we will be in heaven and that we will be in perfect peace and that this is not it. In fact, there's something even better awaiting us. So I hope one day that you do seek to find something higher and better that this is not all for us in our existence. Thank you so much. Thank you.