Confronting Apostle Kathryn Krick

A lot of people are saying that you have paid actors going to your church and balling out and doing all these things. This guy right here, his eyes are closed and so they had to do a jump cut until he fell down to the ground. I'm sorry, but I'm already thinking that there's something going on there with the editing.

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over men. A lot of people feel that women should not be preachers or pastors or apostles, but you are. So, what would you say back to God?

I disagree with you. I love you, but I disagree with you. So, there are many Christians sitting in pews, sitting in churches today with demonic oppression. There's no anointing in that church for demons to be exposed.

How does someone know that they're hearing from God directly? Because there's a lot of people that could say like, "Hey, Joseph Smith said God was giving him a revelation and all this stuff."

That's a powerful question. So, Apostle Katherine Crick, thank you so much.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.

Yeah. I'm going to ask you some tough questions.

All right.

It might get a little intense, but doing this with love.

Bring it on.

Yeah. So, a lot of people are saying that you have paid actors going to your church and falling out and doing all these things. Have you ever had a paid actor at one of your churches?

Absolutely not. No, you know, it is rare to see the power of God move today like how we saw it see it in the Bible where demons were screaming out of people. It says in the book of Acts that demons screamed as they left their victims, as they left people.

Okay? And it also says in the book of Acts, it says in the in the Gospels when demons were manifesting, people were trembling, people were convulsing. So to see this today should be normal. To see demons screaming out of people, to see people trembling, falling back, uh shaking, this is the Bible come alive. This is this is what we see when the the apostles ministered, when we see Jesus ministering. So this is what's happening at our services, at our events. Actually, I never imagined that this would all happen. I received a prophecy from my spiritual my now spiritual father. His name is prophet Dr. George Davyy in 2016 and he said that I was called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ and I was called to reach the nations and he saw God doing many miracles through me. Um and so when I received that prophecy I you know I I started picturing revival. I started picturing miracles but I was really just mostly picturing what I had heard about in the past. You don't hear much about deliverance in past revivals and in general.

So, this was actually quite a surprise for me when in 2021, the first demon manifested. Started speaking out of a woman. She started convulsing, shaking, looking almost like having a seizure, but she wasn't. It was a demon convulsing in her. And I knew it was a demon. And I commanded the demon to go. And by the power and grace of Jesus, she was set free. And then it just it just kept happening and happening and happening and demons manifesting in different ways. Um, so I I never asked for this. I never wanted this, but I praise God that he's doing this because this is the Holy Spirit's power that is making demons to tremble, making demons to be exposed so they can no longer hide so people can be set free. When demons shriek out of people, I remember this is what the Bible talked about. This is the sound of freedom. So me personally, and I share this with the people at church and people at events, this is a beautiful sound because this is the sound of people being set free.

Yeah. I hear a lot of people say that these people are mentally ill or you somehow created an environment for these people to have these emotions and stuff like that. What would you say back to that?

Um you know there are people who have mental problems, mental struggles, mental illnesses but Jesus is our healer. Healer of every kind of problem. He he he has come to set us free and destroy the works of the devil for every person that is physical ailments, sicknesses, pain. He's come to heal and he's also come to heal people of problems in the mind, issues in the mind, works of the devil, yolks that have come in people in their mind. And so there are some people who have mental illnesses. There are people who have been delivered of schizophrenia, of ADD, of bipolar, of all kinds of mental problems. You you name it. People have come, they have testified of this that they I mean they have shared I need freedom from this mental problem and I've seen Jesus deliver them. Hallelujah.

So um you know this is real. This is people who need freedom who are coming with genuine desire for Jesus to touch them and deliver them and faith and Jesus is setting them free. There's a large group of Christians that don't believe these things still happen today.

What would you say to them?

Yeah, I would say read the Bible with fresh eyes. Read the Bible with eyes to see it as God speaking, not as a history book. You know, from the Old Testament to the New Testament, we see God moving in power through vessels. From the Old Testament to to New Testament, we see God moving in power through vessels to heal people. In the New Testament, we see God using uh vessels to deliver people from demons. And Jesus says, "These signs shall follow those who believe. They shall lay hands on the sick and be healed. They shall cast out demons." He says, "These are the signs that will follow people who believe." That should be speaking to us today, too. He's speaking to us today, not just those who believe. 2,000 plus years ago. And he also said, "Preach that the kingdom of heaven has come near. Heal the sick. Cast out demons. Raise the dead." He commanded his disciples to do this. And that command is for us today.

So, you know, just because you haven't seen it today doesn't mean that it's not God. In fact, our God is a God who does new things. He says in the in his word, behold, I am doing something new. He says in his word, I am using the weak and foolish things to confound the wisdom of this world. The wisdom of this world, a lot of that is are believers who think they know it all, who just go through the motions and their church services and think this is what God wants and there's nothing more. Um, we need to read the Bible and and see in the book of Acts, this is God's blueprint of what church should look like. If I am not seeing the power of God move today through my life, through the church that I go to, I am missing something. I am missing revelation. I want to see this today. I want to see God's power move and heal and deliver people today. This was such an important part of Jesus's ministry. It says he would go from town to town preaching in synagogues and casting out demons. There's a scripture where it says that. So that shows us that casting out demons was such a huge important part of his ministry. It wasn't just this minor thing he would do once in a while. And same with the the apostles with the five-fold ministers in the book of Acts. It says that they would bring the sick and demon oppressed under Peter's shadow and all were healed. Acts 19:11, it says God was moving in such extraordinary power through Paul that they would bring handkerchiefs and aprons, two sick people, two demon oppressed people. And I mean, they would they would bring first the handkerchief and aprons to Paul. It would touch his anointed skin and then they would put it on the sick. And it says that they were all healed as the handkerchief and aprons touched them. So when you read the Bible, you see this is what God wants. This is what ministry should look like today. the preaching of the gospel, the preaching that the kingdom of heaven has come near, that that that that healing and freedom and the power of God is moving upon the earth today. Heaven has come to earth today to destroy the works of the devil. And we must act. There must be an action on our part to demonstrate God's power to not just speak to the people, preach to the people, but take authority over demons, heal the sick, have a heart, have the heart of God for people to be freed and healed from the devil's grip.

M how does it I guess like how does it make you feel when people just again Christians like forget the the secular world because you know we'll get to them later but when Christians just don't believe that healing and all these things can happen today.

I mean, it's grieving.

Yeah.

Um I just think about God. I just think about how his I mean my eyes have opened up so much of his heart of his heart for people that he really wants to heal and deliver them like what I went to my spiritual father his name is prophet Dr. Jordania. I went to his church in Tanzania, East Africa one time. I went several times, but one time I went back in uh 2018, I want to say.

Mhm.

And this particular service he was ministering at was a deliverance service. And this is the first time I saw people be set free from demons. And it's the first time I saw mass deliverance. And I saw person after person who was demonpressed demons start to manifest when they were when they encountered God's power through this prophet. And demons would speak out of people and they would be describing how they were trying to kill the person. They would describe all these different ways of how they were trying to kill this person. One of them it was that they were trying to get this woman to sleep around with different people contracting diseases. That was one of the ways that these demons were trying to influence this person. They were speaking out of her this. And so then I would see the prophet, prophet Jordan, I would see him walk in in the authority of Christ with this seriousness, with this heart of God to no nonsense, serious to deliver these people. And he would firmly say, "Leave her. Leave him." And these demons would instantly go. And I saw so many people be delivered by God's power so instantly. So, I saw I saw the reality of how so many people are oppressed by demons. My I changed that day. It was one of the most life-changing experiences of my life. At the end of that service, I became speechless for the first time in my life. Literally speechless. The fear of God came upon me so much where it was just I was just so in awe of Jesus, of what I had just witnessed. My revelation of his love and his power increased so much that I felt not worthy to even speak. It felt like inappropriate. That's the first time I've ever experienced. It would be like if you go to heaven and you see Jesus. It was like that for me.

But the the the things that God opened up my eyes in that moment was in that service was number one how real the devil is, how at work the devil is, how evil the devil is. In that moment, as I heard these demons describe how how they were trying to kill person after person, my eyes opened up to see that so many people, they don't want to be evil. They don't want to be sinning. If they are mean to me, if they do me wrong, it is not that they themselves have a bad heart necessarily, but actually it's the devil at work in them, trying so hard, influencing them so hard to get them to do bad things.

Yeah.

And so from that day, I loved people. I had compassion for people like never before simply because my eyes opened up to see how at work the devil is in people's lives that it's not really them. They don't want to be doing this. They don't want to be doing these evil things and sin. And at the same time during that service when I saw person after person after person after person after person delivered and delivered quickly for the first time in my life my eyes open up to see

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God really does love us so much that he has come to truly destroy the works of the devil. The works of the devil in our personal individual lives, the struggles that we we are having in our lives that are or that are by the devil. I'm not talking about refining fire, you know, attacks that God allows, weapons formed against us that we feel, but they don't prosper. I'm talking about yolks of the devil that Jesus intends to and desires to destroy, just like he did in the gospels, just like he did through the apostles, the fifoldful ministers in the book of Acts. My eyes opened up to see Jesus loves us so much. He really does want to heal us and deliver us. He really does want to heal and deliver all people who will come to him, who will have faith. Because up to that point, I knew God was good. But there were so many questions. Of course, I think most people have questions like why does God allow these horrible things to happen to to people?

Yeah.

You know, but suddenly those questions were instantly answered for me.

Mhm.

Like, of course, we all go through struggles, but God uses it for our good. But then there's other things, other really horrible things that God does not intend to have us struggle with for our whole lives. He wants to deliver us. He doesn't want us to be bound by anxiety. He doesn't want us to be bound by depression, suicidal thoughts. He wants to deliver us from that now instantly. And then the last thing that God opened my eyes about was that he has a way that he moves. He He uses vessels, not just any vessel, but vessels who will totally surrender themselves, humble themselves, and be obedient to him. That's what I saw in my spiritual father, the prophet that day. And so my eyes open up like, "Wow, God wants to heal and deliver people more than we want it. It's just that he is true to his ways. He's not going to be manipulated by people. He's not going to just pour out his power upon people to move through those people if if they're not surrendered because they they will be destructive, you know. And so really God God wants so badly to heal and deliver his people. But we have to be obedient to accept his power. We have to be obedient to do things his way, to humble ourselves, to not fear man, but to fear God only. Because the thing that the devil hates the most is anointed servants of God because they are the ones that destroy his kingdom. They are the ones that carry the anointing that expose demons where demons can no longer hide. There are many Christians sitting in pews sitting in churches today with demonic oppression. There's no anointing in that church in these churches for for demons to be exposed. Like at that that service that I went to of my spiritual fathers, these demons started manifesting all over the place because of the anointing he carried. And that's what I'm seeing by the grace of God in my ministry today. All of a sudden, woo, people fall back. People start screaming. It's the Bible come alive. And that's what God wants for all believers, for all churches. It's what we see when Jesus was ministering in the synagogue one time. Suddenly a a demon starts manifesting in a person and he stops the sermon and he just cast that demon out and then continues on. Because of the anointing he carried, the demon started to manifest, started to speak, you're the son of God.

Mhm.

So I would say to people, I mean, how does it make me feel? I I feel grieved. I mean, I just feel the heart of the father. I feel how badly God wants to heal and deliver his people. You know, it's like it's like Jesus's hometown. Hardly any miracles could happen in Jesus's hometown because of lack of faith.

Mhm.

And so that's the same principle today.

Yeah.

But imagine how Jesus would have felt. These are the people in his hometown. He loves them. He wants to heal them. He wants to deliver them. But he doesn't go against the principle of God of the kingdom of God of the father that you must believe you must accept you must you must respect the power of God for it to work in your life.

It reminds me a lot of that YouTube couple that just had that abortion. I don't know if you saw that. It's like a famous couple that they aborted their uh down syndrome child. Did you see that?

I saw it briefly. I didn't get to look into it much, but I saw like a headline.

Yeah. So, there's a famous YouTube couple that found out that their child was going to potentially have Down syndrome and they ended up aborting the child. And the reason why was because they heard the baby could have heart issues and it was going to be harder to take care of and like all these other issues. So, they felt like they were doing the right thing. Um, and I felt bad, but a lot of people attacked them. Like a lot of people, especially Christians, were giving them death threats and like all these things. And even though I disagreed with what they did, I saw it as they were lied to. The enemy lied to them, convinced them they were doing the right thing, convinced them that this baby was going to be a nuisance and have all these issues, and they made a mistake. And it sucks. You know, I have a child with Down syndrome and our child had to have heart surgery and had to go through all these things, but he's perfect now. Like beautiful child just like all our other kids. And I just feel bad for people that they get tricked and lied to. And then that manifests in sin.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. That's why we shouldn't judge people.

Exactly.

Because it's we're in a spiritual war.

Yeah. So, how does someone, I guess, open themselves up to deliverance? Do they just need someone like you to pray for them, or do they need to check themselves first?

Well, it really comes down to seeking God's way of delivering his people in the Bible. You need to look in the Bible and see how were people set free in the Bible. And so if you go to the book of Acts, you see that when people were being delivered, all the examples we have, it it's an anointed vessel of God that is praying for them. That is that is taking the author walking in their authority in Christ and commanding the demons to go. For example, it says it says in the book of Acts that the oppressed and the sick were brought people brought them under the shadow of Peter. And it says that all were healed when his shadow touched them. You see, he was carrying true anointing, highlevel anointing and highlevel authority of Christ that God had given him. And so those demons didn't stand a chance. High level demons, principalities even had to go just by coming into his presence. M it was it was it's a law in the spiritual realm that when God gives authority to a person high level authority of God when demons come in their presence when a person who has demons comes in their presence and comes with faith this is the biblical way that God delivers people positioning yourself where God's power is moving so that vessel of God can take authority over the demon in that person's life. the demons have to go, you know. So, so, so believers should look in the Bible and see this is how people were delivered. So, today, where's Apostle Peter of today? Where is the power of God moving through vessels today? Where are their testimonies of people truly being set free? And when you see that, go and get yourself under that shadow. Whether that's in person at a service, for example, or that's online. In person is best if you can, but even online, we're seeing God deliver and heal so many people.

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So you have to come with faith first of all that Jesus wants to deliver you. Faith is one of the biggest principles of how to receive miracles from God. So first of all, but you have to have the right kind of faith. So you have to you have to believe that Jesus wants to heal and deliver you. By his stripes, you are healed. He's come to destroy the works of the devil. And number two, you need to have faith in God's way of healing and delivering his people. And that is his main way. Not that he can't move any other way, but his main way biblically is by putting his power and authority in vessels of God. So you position yourself to receive that anointing. You have that faith. I I have faith that this vessel of God God is moving in power through and I will be healed and delivered as I position myself under their shadow of anointing. like in Apostle Peter's time when I position myself where the power of God is being released.

So that can look like a one-on-one prayer, but it doesn't have to be a one-on-one prayer because with Peter, they were coming under his shadow. We don't see that he was doing one-on-one prayer for every person. And Jesus, you know, there was this centurion soldier who came to him and was saying that his servant was sick and and Jesus says, "I'll come to him and pray for him in person." And the centurion soldier says, "No, you don't have to do that. just say the word and I know he will be healed because I myself understand authority. So that means he had revelation of how it works in the spiritual realm of how miracles happen is because Jesus carries this authority over demons and sickness. So when he executes that authority by even just speaking a word because that's how authority works. If we're talking about the principle of authority, it's about the words you speak. So he knew if Jesus just spoke this word in the spiritual realm, the demons would hear it and have to go. It's not about hearing it physically in physical uh, you know, location, proximity.

Mhm.

So you, you know, it doesn't have to be one-on-one prayer. You can just come in person where God's power is moving and have faith that these the anointing is coming upon me. There is authority being executed over the demons in my life and the demons must go. And that can also be online even. And lastly, another big key of being free is to renounce and to and a big part of renouncing is surrendering your whole life to Jesus. Surrendering your whole life. Closing every door to the devil. Because if you want to have deliver, if you want to be free, it's like if you have a house, you have to make the decision you're going to keep your door locked. So if you know if you say, "I want to be free, but you just you're deciding to keep your back door open, a demon can sneak in." So you have to make that choice. I want to be totally surrendered to God. I want to receive freedom and keep my freedom. I want to please God. I want to reject the devil. I want to renounce the devil's portion on my life. And I want to accept my inheritance that Jesus has given me as a child of God. And so part of that looks like speaking aloud. I surrender my life to you, Jesus. I want to live for you, Jesus. I want to give my whole life to you, Jesus. Number two, I renounce depression. I renounce suicidal thoughts and also the sinful actions that that you're doing. I renounce doing this sin. I renounce having this certain door open. And as you do that, you are making the the devil to lose his grip. You you before you gave him authority to have power over you because we have that choice. It's up to us. So now you're saying, "No, I give all authority to God. I want God's will and God's portion over my life, not the devil's.

Have you ever Have you ever seen the devil or spoken to the devil?

I've never seen him like physically or a vision. Um I've never talked to him. No, but I as every believer, we must be rejecting the devil. So, I've definitely rejected his lies, rejected word curses people tried to speak over me, you know, rejected um his attacks.

Yeah. Have you ever seen or spoken to Jesus directly?

Yes. I mean, not in terms of hearing his voice audibly and seeing him physically or seeing a vision or going to heaven. That has not happened for me. But I have I speak to Jesus every day. Yeah, I speak to he he's a spirit and I speak to him not physically face to face physically, but I have relationship with Jesus and I'm in in communication with him always.

What are some of the biggest miracles you've seen?

The biggest miracles I've seen? Oh my gosh. Um it's so hard to even share them all. There's been so many. I remember early on seeing a woman who had a mute spirit and she used to be a worship leader and she couldn't speak for many months and she came with faith with her family traveled to our service and um I was commanding the demons to leave her and you didn't see them going immediately at first but eventually the demons left her and she started to speak and she started to sing she started to sing there is power in the name of Jesus Jesus to break every chain. Break every chain. Break every chain. And we just erupted in praise. That is a moment I will never forget. Um I've seen a lot of people who had autism, a lot of children receive healing in many different kinds of ways. Like this one little girl, uh I think it was when she was around fourish. She she wouldn't speak. She wasn't doing well in in preschool. like she was needing to have special um like she couldn't be in the normal class and um she couldn't eat hardly any food. she couldn't she was so sensitive like I think it was like loud noises would bother her and just various problems that she had related to autism you know and her mother is a member of our church um and she's been just planted just a member and over time day by day month by month this girl started to become completely healed so all these things she used to not be able to do she can now do she now speaks she speaks very well she praises God she even encourage she's six now and she encourages I think she's six and she encourages her mom um she encourages her mom so beautifully even in the word of God and she actually does really well in school she has awards she's gotten awards now so this is just one example I've seen a lot of different children who had autism where they couldn't speak or they couldn't do various things they could only eat certain foods um noises would bother them all of those issues have gone and now they can speak well they're doing well in school, they're interacting, they're they're not having issues socially anymore. That has been a huge huge miracles that we've seen. Um cuz a lot of people, you know, they're they're struggling in that area. I mean, parents especially. And so that has been so beautiful to see. We've seen a lot of people be healed of cancer. We've seen people be healed of seizures, of epilepsy. Um we've seen people be delivered from anxiety, depression, addictions, schizophrenia, insomnia. um night terrors, um also or all sorts of mental problems, um you name it. I mean, things that I've never even knew was a thing like people being afraid of the dark or people not some people being afraid of the light. There's this one person where she she hated she just felt uncomfortable if lights were on. She would clean the house in the dark just and another person she couldn't even walk outside. She felt like someone was following her. She was afraid to even go outside. People were being afraid of flying, could never fly. Now all of that's gone. You name it. I I've seen so many miracles Jesus do.

So how does someone get the power to help perform these miracles?

Yes. So the main way we see biblically that God puts his power in a vessel, pours his power in a vessel is through impartation of anointing. impartation from one vessel who already carries the anointing to impart to another vessel of God. Um, that's not the only way that that God pours out his power on people. Like we see in the Bible Elijah, we just we don't we don't hear him receiving the power of God through another vessel. Same with Moses. But we see more examples in the Bible of impartation than just receiving the power of God directly from God and not through a vessel. Um and then when we see New Testament, we are seeing it's all happening actually through impartation. Like first of all the the original apostles received it through Jesus. Um but Jesus was 100% God 100% man. So part of what he was doing on this earth was showing us the example showing us the example of how to minister and releasing impartation. And so then apostle Paul he says that you have many teachers but only one father spiritual father. I became your spiritual father in Christ. He speaks of this and we know Timothy is his spiritual son and so he was releasing impartation of anointing to Timothy. So for for for the main way that God is pouring out his power today is through impartation. So for me, my my spiritual father now before he was my spiritual father, I went to a conference where he was ministering at and he prophesied to me and he said, "Your calling is actually not to be a singer. I wanted to be a singer, but to be an apostle of Jesus Christ. You're called to reach the nations. I see God doing many miracles through you." And so he released impartation of anointing to me. I've never seen God's power move like I saw through him. Mhm. the miracles that would take place, the prophetic moving through him, the anointing moving through him. And um so it was it was not immediate that I saw God's power moving through me. I start God led me to start a church which is now F-fold church in 2017. But one of the times that I visited his church, I received impartation of anointing.

He What does that mean?

Well, impartation of anointing. What does that mean? Anointing. uh impartation of anointing. Well, imparting the anointing which is the power of God that he carries as a vessel of God imparting it to me. The Bible says you freely received freely give. So he's received this anointing from God and then then he freely gives it to me. So it can be done through the pouring of oil as well. The anointing moving through the oil and in that case that's how it was for me. Um I he poured the oil on me. He released the anointing that he carries upon me. And this was in 2018. When I got on the plane, I was different spiritually, like in the spiritual realm. Like, it was a 24-hour something trip home. And I just wanted to read the Bible and talk to God the entire trip. I I didn't want to watch a movie. Nothing wrong with watching movies as long as it's not demonic, dark, but I didn't want to do that. I just wanted to talk to God for the 24 something hours and pray. And I was just so hungry for the power of God to move in my church in LA. like how I saw it through my spiritual father. And anyways, that Sunday I saw God's power move for the very first time as I ministered through me. Um, a woman came up. I I touched her hand and she fell back with God's power. That was the first time I saw God's power move through me when I ministered. And then I started praying for people and the prophetic anointing started moving upon me for the very first time where I had this knowing about people where I would pray for them and they would start crying. Um, and it never stopped. It just kept growing from there um till eventually that was 2018. And so you we fast forward now to 2021. That is the first time I saw a demon manifest in a person. And that time the demon spoke out of this woman and says and said out of her, I don't want her to preach. The demon didn't want her to preach. So that shows that there was power when she spoke the word of God. Um and so I commanded the demon to go and Jesus set her free. And then so many more people started manifesting when they would come to my service. People who were oppressed, people were hungry for freedom after they saw this deliverance online and so much deliverance started taking place. Um but anyway, so God wants to go God wants to use all believers in power. Uh not that we all have the same callings. Not everyone is called to be an apostle. Not everyone is called to be a fifthful minister. Not everyone is called to be like apostle Peter like specifically Peter you know he was carrying this high level anointing because he was uh an apostle in the body of Christ. He was one who was called to equip and release. So just like a teacher needs to possess way more knowledge than the students. That's how the five-fold ministry as fivefold ministers are. So not everyone's called to be exactly like Apostle Peter today and walk in highlevel anointing and authority. However, all believers, the Bible says, all who believe, these signs shall follow them. They shall cast out demons as one of them. He shall lay hands on the sick and be healed. So God truly does want to put his power in every vessel so that he can use them to heal a sick and cast out demons according to his will. Maybe that's once every day. Maybe that's once a month where God wants to use you to cast out a demon. Maybe that's once a year. Maybe that's once every couple years. It depends. But the point is is that God wants to be able to use you, every believer, without limits.

Mhm.

This this person right here needs freedom. You are here. He sets up a divine appointment and he leads you to pray for them and deliver them. That's how he wants it to be for every believer. Yeah, but how the how to now actually receive comes down to humbling yourself and being obedient to follow God's ways of releasing his power. So for example, as we see the main way he moves in power is through vessels. So you should see where God is moving in power upon this earth, the anointing he's entrusted in vessels, and you should humble yourself and learn from them. You should listen to their teachings. You should attend their church services. Attend attend an event. Maybe you don't live near them. Well, travel and attend to an attend an event and and and just become a disciple. Become a student. You know, humble yourself and see, wow, God's using them in power to walk in miracles. And I'm supposed to do that, too, but I'm not doing that. And I don't know how to do that, but they do. I humble myself. I become teachable to learn from them to listen to their teachings because the teachings share I mean for example a lot of the teachings that I that I share a lot of them has to do with humility because that's a big area a big reason why God doesn't release the anointing to people really humil lack of humility yes because the power is not for your own gain power is dangerous if if you don't have the right heart to receive it got it God has to entrust his anointing to someone who's trustworthy, right? So, you know, he doesn't just carelessly put his power in somebody who's prideful. You have to already humble yourself and surrender your life completely to Jesus before he really entrusts you with this anointing. He can pour out a measure, but in terms of like really pouring out mighty power and and and and then lifting you for people to see, you carry this power to help them. He has to see he can trust you with that, you know. So you have to do you have to do things on your end to surrender your life to humble yourself to reject these prideful thoughts to to come to God and say, "Oh Lord, give me a clean heart. I know that there's selfish ambition in me. I know that there's impurities in me and I don't want that. This is this is priority for me." Priority. Many Christians having a pure heart, being humble is not priority because it's unseen. Only God sees. But we should fear God. We're supposed to fear God, not fear people. But many people, they fear people, not God. So they're hiding these impure parts of their hearts and just showing people what they want to show. And they don't make it a priority, the the cleanliness of the heart. So when you humble yourself, you know, the Bible says, "The pure in heart shall see God. The pure in heart shall understand the deeper things of the kingdom." The pure in heart shall gain more understanding and revelation of what it looks like to be a trustworthy vessel that God can actually put anointing in. you know um when the disciples first cast out demons for the first time they came back and and they shared with Jesus wow demons left when we commanded them and Jesus immediately praises the father and he says I praise you father for hiding these things from those who are pride prideful and only revealing it to the humble and childlike. So that shows us that if you want to do what the disciples did and gain the revelation of how to access the anointing, this authority of Christ and then walk in it, you you you will never receive this revelation and you will never be entrusted by God with this anointing if you remain prideful. You must be humble and childlike.

Okay. So I want to ask you a more controversial question. So

Okay. So being a woman preacher, right? So can I read you a Bible verse? Timothy 1 uh 2, chapter 2, 11 and 12. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over men. Rather, she is to remain quiet. So a lot of people feel that women should not, you know, be preachers or pastors or apostles, but you are. So what would you say back to that?

Well, whenever you read the Bible, you you have to read the context of it. You cannot just take one scripture and and that's it. Like sometimes you you cannot take it verbatim for how it is. You need true revelation from the Holy Spirit. And part of that revelation from the Holy Spirit, hearing actually God's voice, is seeing the context. So that includes reading before and after that one particular verse but also reading who is writing this and also reading also studying who are they speaking to. And then you also have to understand the context of the times they were in and and that is why they were speaking what they were speaking. Many times it's having to do with the time that they were in. So in this partic if when you do the studies on this on the scripture like when you do the studies historically contextually what was happening culturally is that these women in that church were being disruptive were being overly zealous for spiritual gifts and to be in leadership but not in a good way like overly zealous not in a good way. So they were becoming a distraction in the church, how they were behaving in the church, how they were speaking up. And this is having to do with culturally what was happening in that time. When you do the research that was influencing the women specifically at that time to be that way, to behave in that way. So in other words, the the women in that church were behaving were needing correction. They were needing they were being ungodly in terms of not going in accordance to God's order. And Paul wanted to make sure that the word of God could go forth without distractions and for people to be able to hear it and and nobody getting in the way of that and and the order of church being able to be carried out how God wanted it to be. So he spoke a prophetic word specifically to those women. Paul was not speaking this general doctrine for all women. Like all women, you know, they aren't as spiritual as men. You know, they they cannot speak because they just do not have that grace upon them. He was not speaking that for all women of all time. And how how can we be even sure of this? Well, it says throughout scripture, one scripture it says there is no longer male or female. There is no longer male or female. Meaning in the spiritual realm, we are equal. In marriages, there are different roles. But when we're talking about male and female, God sees us as equal. M when the Holy Spirit comes and lives inside of us, the Holy Spirit doesn't hold back for women. He doesn't put a portion of himself in. It is the same Holy Spirit that men receive that women receive. And so the Holy Spirit, he can move however he wants through both men and women. That includes teaching, speaking, that includes giving revelation to both men and women. Mhm. And also we see that there were prophetesses. Prophetesses in the New Testament. We see that there's also a woman minister, an apostle. We see that that she was speaking the word of God. She was teaching people. We see a woman is is told to carry out uh the word of God from Paul from from Paul. She was carrying out the word. We see there's a married couple and they are both correcting this one this one disciple. They're correcting him and teaching him together.

It's not the wife saying you do that, husband. They're correcting together. Even the woman, I think, I think she's listed first, I want to say, in the scripture. Um, and also, we see that Jesus chose to appear, him appear when he was resurrected. He chooses to appear first to a woman, to Mary.

Now, that wasn't like a a mess up [laughter] on Jesus's part. Whoops. Oh, no. She saw me. Like, he chose to reveal himself to her. And then she, then he says this. He, he doesn't say, "Go grab one of the men disciples. Just go and grab him, bring them to me so I can then tell him to tell everybody what you saw, that you've seen that I have resurrected." No, he tells her, "You tell the others, you tell the men the gospel."

Yeah. The message of the gospel. She preached, she taught the gospel for the first time that Jesus rose from the dead. Yeah. He's alive.

So, um, you know, that's why I can confidently say that what I shared about Paul, how he wasn't speaking this doctrine for all women of all time, but it was speaking specifically to these women in that time. You know, apostles, they are used by God to speak *rhema*, present tense words. In the times of COVID, I was speaking words from God specifically encouraging people and giving them prophetic direction related to the issues that happened with COVID in people's lives, like fear, fear of sickness, right? So, I am speaking these prophetic words. My teachings are carrying *rhema*, prophetic words, to equip people, to correct people in the year 2020, in the year 2021, just like Paul was speaking this prophetic direction for those specific women in that specific church, in that specific city, because of the cultural influences, negative influences, demonic influences happening towards the woman. That was the, the right direction for that time. It wasn't to say, "Women, you need to be quiet for the rest of your life," but it was this prophetic direction for that season that they were in.

Got it. Okay. How was it for you? Because, um, did you read that, you know, Timothy and Corinthians and all that before you got your calling? And then did that kind of confuse you where you're like, "Hey, you know, the Bible says this, this person is saying I'm supposed to be an apostle"? Or did you already have that?

Well, I mean, first of all, by the grace of God, I was childlike when it came to the Bible. Meaning, like, there's something, I think there's some scriptures throughout the whole Bible that some people might not fully understand. Mhm. We don't understand everything completely, you know. So, um, I didn't ever see those scriptures and be like, "I'm so confused." [laughter] But I would see woman preachers, and I could tell there, there's woman preachers around today. There's not many woman pastors, but there are some. But I had seen them before I was called. And never was I like, "That doesn't, that contradicts the Bible." Yeah. No, it was more like, at that time, I didn't know what I, the revelation I have now. But it was more just like, "Well, I don't understand that scripture, but I do know that these women are truly sent by God and they're doing the work of God." And then also, when the prophet prophesied to me, I just had this knowing it was God speaking. So, sometimes we, we follow God by faith. We obey him, and then we have understanding later. So, all of the, the understanding of this scripture, it happened later, but I knew that God had called me.

How does someone know that they're hearing from God directly? Because there's a lot of people that could say, like, "Hey, Joseph Smith, you know, said God was giving him a revelation and all this stuff." So, how do people know if they're hearing from God or being deceived?

That's a powerful question. So, honestly, a big, a big, uh, I mean, the foundation of how to know you're hearing God correctly is to not just be living life as a believer by yourself. Mhm. But being part of a church, being planted at a church, not just any church, but where God's power is moving. Because in, well, in Ephesians 4, it says that Jesus gave gifts to the body of Christ. And these gifts were apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. And the purpose of these gifts was to equip the body of Christ, to bring them out of immaturity and being tossed around by different doctrines, being deceived by the enemy, and in confusion, to maturity. Instead, to be mature, instead to be victorious over the devil. That's what the five-fold ministry does. It brings that equipping, that maturity, and also equips believers for works of service, equips believers to be mature, powerful vessels of God who aren't played by the enemy anymore, but able to conquer the devil's schemes in their own lives so that they can then be mature and now help other people overcome the devil. So, biblically, we see the importance of the church. This is how we come into spiritual maturity. So, in terms of hearing God's voice, it has to do with being spiritually mature. You have to have equipping. Like, in my, in my church, I teach about the, the angel of light. The Bible says that the devil masquerades as an angel of light. So, I teach people, "This is what the angel of light, the devil masquerades as an angel of light, sounds like." I teach them that, and I teach them, "This is how to know what the voice of God is." So, number one, you need to be planted at a church where God's power is really moving. It's truly anointed by God. So, you're having anointed teachings, not milky teachings, but anointed teachings that's feeding your spiritual man, opening your spiritual eyes. And so, then wisdom is imparted to you. So, now you're carrying this wisdom not just from your own self and your own just reading the Bible, but, but also receiving the equipping from the church you're planted at. You have this wisdom. So, now when you hear a voice, you can discern between it being your own voice, the devil's voice, or God's voice.

M. Um, so, but to answer your question further, um, you, you, you, you, you'll know it's God's voice when it aligns with scripture. You have to be aware, like the devil knows your desires. So, if you have a certain desire, maybe it's selfish ambition, something that's selfish ambition. Yeah. And, and maybe even it's like, it seems like a godly thing. It's not this, like, inherently bad evil thing. Mhm. But deep down, it's, it's selfish ambition. It's out of God's will. It's out of God's timing. It's you trying to rush God, you trying to do things on your own because you want attention from people, or you want success, or you want money, right? And so, the enemy knows that, right? So, the enemy can then speak certain ideas of how to achieve the success, for example. So, that's what I mean, like, you have to be aware, like, "This voice that I heard, it's not God because it's going along with my selfish desires that I know deep down is my own selfish ambition." Mhm. That's just a practical example. Got it. But so, that means you have to humble yourself and be real with yourself and truly want God's will. When, if you want to hear God's voice, you have to want to hear God's voice. Mhm. You have to seek God with all your heart to find him. So, that means you have to really want to be in his will. If you want to be in his will, he will guide your steps perfectly. The Bible says God directs the steps of the righteous man, and woman. Yeah. So, if you're righteous, meaning I want to be in God's will. I want to please God. So, if that is your heart, and you are acting upon that, that's your intention every day. "I must be in God's will. I must please him." God will help you. Mhm. He will give you the discernment to hear his voice, to know his voice versus the enemy's voice.

Yeah. So, yeah. You said to make sure you pick the right church, right? What would you say about like the Catholic or Orthodox, those type of faiths? Because they have more like an apostolic, you know, view of like all their teachings are all the way back from the apostles to now, but they're ran very differently than like Protestant churches. Or are you, uh, Pentecostal or non-denominational?

I mean, I don't really go by a title. I guess non-denominational, I guess, if you want to call it that. But, um, well, for the Catholic Church, I know one of the things they believe is that you need to confess your sins to a priest. Yeah. So, that is something. Yeah. That's something I disagree with because I believe we don't need a mediator. We can go directly to Jesus. Got it. So, that is a major, um, uh, you know, I mean, I, I believe that's opening up a door to the enemy to, really. Yeah. I mean, anything that's disobedient to God is opening up a door to the enemy.

What about in James when it says, "Confess your sins to one another so you could be healed"?

So, the problem is, is that it has become this like, "You have to do this." It's, it's out of religion. Mhm. And it is being seen as a mediator instead of going directly to Jesus. So, confessing your sins to one another is basically sharing, being open, being vulnerable. But there shouldn't be someone you're confessing it to as a replacement to going directly to Jesus. Yeah. And also, like praying to Mary. Mhm. That is opening up a door in the spiritual realm to the enemy too, because you are, I mean, the Bible talks about how we shouldn't be, we, we can't be talking to people who are dead. And, um, they would say they're alive. That's what Catholics and Orthodox would say, that Mary is alive. And so, basically, like, I believe that we should be praying directly to Jesus. So, we should seek only Jesus for everything, for healing. So, even like when you, when you're going to church and you're believing God to move through a vessel, you're going to Jesus. You're not going to a person. Yeah. It's not the person's healing powers healing you. It's Jesus alone, alone, moving in power through the vessel.

Yeah. Yeah. So, with the confessing your sins thing, right? So, it also says in the Bible that I think Jesus breathed on them and then they were able, the apostles were able to forgive sin. Mhm. Right. So, what about that? So, John 20, verse 21-23, Jesus said, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that, he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven. If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." What do you think about that?

Yeah. I mean, it's really just, I mean, they have to be forgiving according to God's will. Yeah. So, that's basically God saying, "I'm using you as vessels. I've given you authority." Yes. So, that's what it seems like. He's giving you apostles. Exactly. Yeah. But they have to make sure they're forgiving according to God's will. Yes.

How does that contradict like people going to their priest or their pastor and confessing their sins?

Well, the problem is just when it becomes religious. Okay. So, when you say religious, what does that mean? Because religious means to just bind, right? Mhm. So, well, I, I mean, like, you know, the Pharisees were operating in old wine religion in terms of they were thinking that their rituals were earning their salvation. Yes. And when you are operating in that way, you are not receiving salvation. You have to depart completely, completely from the old wine. And instead of doing things by ritual and performance and tradition, you have to be following the leading of the Holy Spirit. So, Jesus talks about this in terms of fasting. They're saying, "Why don't you fast like us? Why don't you fast like the Pharisees? Why don't you fast like John the Baptist's disciples? Why do you and your disciples not fast that way? You guys don't fast like, at all, hardly as much." Mhm. "And we're fasting all the time in this ritual way, in this repetitive way, in this traditional way." And Jesus gives this answer. He says, "You can't put new wine in old wine skins. They will break." Mhm. "You need new wine skins to receive the new wine." So, he's saying, you can't combine your old ritual religious ways of performance of trying to earn salvation and righteousness with God. You can't combine it with my ways. Mhm. And so, in general, in, in the Catholic Church, I would say there's, there's that trying to combine the old wine and the new wine, where there needs to be a complete departing from these religious rituals, tradition, performance, and now following the Holy Spirit, fasting by the leading of the Holy Spirit, being vulnerable and confessing your sins to, to who God is calling you to by the leading of the Holy Spirit, not a ritualistic mandate, repetitive thing, you know, and everything that goes for everything. Yeah. When it comes to following God, it must be by the leading of the Holy Spirit and out of the revelation of the grace of Jesus. Mhm. Rather than the, the curse of the law, being bound by the curse of the law, not knowing the grace of Jesus. Yeah. And the Holy Spirit in one's life.

Yeah. I think the only, this is, I agree, I disagree with you. I love you, but I disagree with you. So, um, for me, right? So, when I first, you know, got baptized, right? I'm just like, "Dude, so excited, so pumped, right?" And I remember I had a lot of shame that I was holding on to because I used to struggle with, and I never would talk about it, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. Like, that was like my little dark secret, right? And then I remember reading that in James, and I was like, "Dude, I don't want to tell nobody. Like, no. Like, I want to just, it's it's done. It's gone. I just want to put it in a box and keep it in the closet." And then, but it just wouldn't go away. Like, I don't know if it's condemnation or shame. I was just holding on to it. And then one day, uh, I was just with a couple of my friends, and I was just like, "Dude, like, do you ever just like feel so bad for some of the old sins you used to do?" And they're like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it sucks, you know, but you know, we're made new, so we're great." And I was like, "Yeah, but like, dude, does it ever just like, really like bother you?" And to speed up the story, at some point, he was like, "Like old sins, like what?" And I was like, "I don't know." And he's like, "What? Like watching..." He just randomly said that, and I was like, "No." But in my head, I was like, "Oh my gosh." And he's like, "Yeah, because if you're talking about that, I used to struggle with it, and then I confessed to my wife, you know, and then, you know, she forgave me. It was a big thing. But after I confessed, I felt so much better." And then for me, once I started confessing my sins that I was holding on to and keeping in the dark, um, like, it was life-changing. It was freeing for me. And then it also became freeing for other people because I would bring up things, and other men would be like, "Dude, like, I can't believe you just said that. That's exactly what I'm going through." But a lot of people keep it in because they feel like, "Hey, I'm just confessing to God, like I'm good."

Yeah. So, for me, personally, I agree with you completely. Okay, there we go. I agree with you 100%. It was just about going to a priest in a religious way that I, that I disagree with. But there's actually a gentle, a a married couple at my church, they both struggled with for many years, like decades. And they both never told each other. And they're both secretly struggling. Oh, wow. And, um, what the, the wife eventually gets delivered. She's watching my services online, and God's power touches her and delivers her. She's free. And she told her husband all about it. But her husband still couldn't tell her. He, he couldn't. He wanted to. He couldn't. Yeah. But actually, then she, he felt convicted because there's different keys that unlock deliverance. Mhm. And he just felt compelled, like, "I want to make a sacrifice to God because I'm trying everything else and I'm not able to do this to confess to my wife, and I know I need to confess to her, and I also want to be free. I'm also unable to be free. I'm unable to confess. I'm unable to be free." Exactly. So, he's like, he decides, "I'm going to sow a seed into the church, like make a sacrifice to God, because when you sow it to the church, you're advancing God's kingdom. You're sowing directly to God." So, he's like, "I want to make a sacrifice to God, believing that he sees this sacrifice. He's going to move upon this sacrifice. Not that I have to do this, but because I want to, because I value the miracles he does in my life, and I just need more. I need more. I want to sow to receive more." So, he makes, he sows a seed, and suddenly he's able to just easily tell his wife, and he confesses to his wife about the, and after he confessed, he was free ever since that day.

Yeah. Yeah. And I believe, so when I first used to read that verse, I'm not trying to teach the Bible because I'm not a teacher at all. I'll just bring up the verse. Therefore, James 5:16, "Therefore, confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed." I always thought it was forgiven. So, it's healed. Yeah. So, I don't know. For me, that was huge. And I understand. And that's part of renouncing. Like, a big thing that happens at our church is people renounce. And sometimes they'll ask them to renounce. Yeah. And then it also says right after that, "The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." So, that's where I kind of disagree with you because the reason why they're going to a priest is because they see them as, you know, powerful and effective righteous people. And it's kind of like, they, I actually think that's something missing in Protestant churches that I think Protestant churches are actually lacking. Like, I have yet to go to a Protestant church where people have a system where if they're struggling with something, they can go confess to their pastor or their priest or something like that. It's usually just kind of like, and I haven't been to all Protestant churches, but the ones that I've been to, there's no system for that. And I do feel like the Catholics and the Orthodox, you can call it religious, or it's just like, "Hey, that's their system that they go to their pastor. Their pastor is the, you know, probably the most educated Christian at their church, hopefully." And he's the one that will say, "Okay, their penances and stuff like that, I don't necessarily agree with." But I think it is good to confess your sins to a spiritual father, or that's what they would call their spiritual fathers, or pastor, or priest.

Yeah. Actually, my church is called Five-Fold Church. Uh-huh. And the reason that God gave us that name is because He's restoring the five-fold ministry to the body of Christ today, which we see in Ephesians 4. And that's missing. We primarily see pastors, but actually pastors are taking on so much that they're not, many of them are not able to really do operate pastorally how God intended them to be in terms of counseling, in terms of being there for people, being available. Yes. And so, um, you know, my spiritual father's church, Prophet George, his church, there's about 3,000 or so at his church. And I believe there's about like 200 five-fold ministers. A lot of them are pastors. Mhm. Not being up on the stage and teaching, but actually pastoring, counseling people, being available for people who are in need of various issues and want someone to talk to and confess to. Yeah. So, that's what we just actually had. There's, I'm an apostle at my church and the lead pastor, but I mean, I have the pastoral gift. So, I'm the shepherd, the lead pastor, but we just had eight men from my church who serve at my church. They've been serving for years, and they went to actually my spiritual father's church in Tanzania, East Africa, to receive more from God. And, um, they, they were very shocked and surprised, just like I was, because their callings were revealed through the same prophet. Uh, and they were all anointed. Some as one as an apostle, several as pastors, I think four as pastors, and one as a teacher, uh, and a couple will be pastors. So, now, as of very recently, we now have several pastors who have just, um, uh, stepped into that role at our church and will be there for just what you're describing, which is different and unique to what you described mostly in Protestant churches.

Yeah. Exactly. Because I have seen a lot of Protestant churches where they're growing and it's great. There's, they start with 300, they grow to 5,000, but it does seem like kind of like, uh, milk teaching, and like, you're, you're one of 5,000. You'll never really speak to the, the lead pastor, you know? And that's tough because I do think it's important to hear God's word, but it's also important for a pastor to know who you are, yes, and see what you're doing and know your wife and be able to, you know, pastor you, not just like teach the word. Absolutely. Yeah. So, yeah. But, um, another thing, okay, baptism. So, what is your thoughts on baptism? Does baptism save? Like, what, what is the point of baptism? What happens when people are baptized?

So, baptism is essential. It is a command that God gives us. Mhm. So, we definitely need to see it as it's a definite, like, we, we must be baptized. Okay. Um, however, be led by the Holy Spirit. I don't believe that the moment you become saved, you have to get baptized the very next day. Um, it is, it is good to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. And there might be a reason that it isn't the very next day. For example, maybe someone first believes in Jesus, but maybe God reveals himself to them more and more, and by, I don't know, a few months later or something, or maybe a year later, even, they are now moved into this place of surrender. And so, their baptism carries so much meaning. It is not just going through the motions and simply obeying this command, but it's, it's obeying this command with your heart.

Yeah. Wow. And so, when someone is baptized, it is a prophetic act and symbolic act of what has happened in the spiritual realm when you give your life to Jesus, where you are becoming co-crucified with Jesus. When you go in the water and you are being co-resurrected with Jesus as you come out, the past you is gone, the old you is dead, and the new you is now alive in Christ.

Yeah. I, I agree with you there, too. I think I've seen a lot of people that go to mega churches, they're like, they're doing baptisms and it's great. They go get baptized, but then they have like, literally no idea, like, right, what's going on or any, you know, understanding, really. Yes. So, it kind of works both ways. What about like communion and like the, the, the Eucharist? That's what the Catholics and Orthodox like. Where do you stand on on that?

Yeah. Communion is another command that God gives us. So, I believe that all believers should take communion. And I also believe there is power in communion. Mhm. Because you are, you are, you are partaking in the body of Jesus, and you are partaking in the blood of Jesus, and there's power in His blood. And so, when you do it with, when you take it with this revelation, there's power in it. There's power that can release even healing to your body. And I've seen people receive miracles as they take communion. But it's, but, but a big thing for me that I, I mean, that God has revealed to me is the importance of doing, as I shared before, completely doing away with the old wine and being very careful that you're not operating out of old wine ritualistic ways, because then the power is lost. You know, for anything when you're reading the Bible, but you're, you're doing it in this old wine ritualistic way, you're, you might as well not be reading the Bible. I mean, you're losing it's like you're reading the Bible as a Pharisee. They were reading the same word of God as Jesus believed in and read, but they were getting completely different revelations as Jesus. They thought Jesus was a false prophet when He was the Messiah. And that came from the word of God, the revelation, the wrong revelation they were getting. So, um, even reading the Bible, it's dangerous to be doing it in an old wine way. You need to be led by the Holy Spirit. So, it is carrying power as you read. You're really hearing from God. Same for prayer. Same for communion. Mhm. So, I do believe this is just my personal revelation, and I, it's a personal revelation actually that came from my spiritual father, um, that it, it is not good to be doing it too, communion to be done too often because it can lose its power because it becomes a ritual rather than really grasping the weight of it, the power of it, having this true revelation of the power of taking this communion, but rather just, okay, doing it again and again and again.

Mhm. So, do you believe that it's like the actual body and blood of Christ? Do you believe that it is just symbolic? Do you believe in like real presence when it comes to communion?

I believe it's symbolic, you know, but, um, like when you're taking the bread, it's like, I mean, Jesus says, "Take this. Take this in remembrance of me." So, we're taking the, the bread. We're eating the bread, drinking the, the juice, with this deep reverence and remembrance of what Jesus has done. So, as we're doing it, we are remembering that we have received Jesus as one with us. We've received His sacrifice. We've received His blood in us, His body in us, because He's one with us. Yeah. And that is why we are saved. That is why we have received salvation. That is why we are healed and freed. Yeah. Is because of His body broken on the cross, by His blood shed. So, as you take it, you are, you are really having this faith. It's like this moment of faith to receive even more from God, the power of His body broken for us and His bloodshed.

Yeah. And then you, you brought up a great like, uh, transition to salvation. So, how does salvation work? How is someone saved?

So, the Bible says, "When you believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, is your savior, and you confess with your mouth, you will be saved." So, what does that mean? That's all it says. That's all it says. [laughter] It actually doesn't say, "Repeat with someone a certain prayer like a sinner's prayer." It doesn't say that in the Bible, actually. It doesn't say that an altar call to come up or to raise your hand is necessary. It simply says, "Believe in your heart, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord." I believe that when you truly simply believe in your heart and say aloud, "Jesus is my Lord and Savior," or it can be a variation of ways because God looks at the heart. So, it can be, "Jesus, I receive you as Lord." "Jesus, you are my Lord." Or you can say, "Jesus, I give my life to you." You know, it can be said in different ways, but if, when you speak that and you truly believe it in your heart and mean it in your heart, you are saved. Mhm. But you need to live that every day. Yeah. And if you don't, God's grace is there, but you need to repent. Yeah. And walk in His will. But it's that every day that you need to make Jesus your Lord every day. Yeah. To be saved.

What's the difference between someone believing in their heart and believing in their mind?

Well, the heart and mind are connected. I mean, so if somebody just logically says, "You know what, I believe Jesus existed. I believe He was God. Jesus, you are my Lord and Savior, so I can go to heaven." You know? Well, okay, this is where it comes. This is where this is so important and powerful. What Paul said, he said, "I didn't come to you," the the people he's preaching to, disciples, "I didn't come to you with wise and persuasive words, but I came to you with a demonstration of God's power, so that your faith would not be rested on man's word for it, man's word, man's wise words, but your faith would be rested on God's power." What does that mean? Well, let's take my testimony for example. My earliest memory is age four saying that I wanted to make Jesus my Lord and Savior. And my whole life, You were four? Yeah. I remember it too. [laughter] And my whole life I've believed that that Jesus is Lord. I believe that He loves me. I believe that His plans for me are good. But I didn't know it deep, deep, deep, deep down in my heart. I believed, but did not know. Yeah. And I didn't really know how to have a relationship with God until my 20s. So, and I lived a lukewarm life in my, in my high school years and early college years because of that. And so, I look at that verse and I'm like, "That was me that Paul's talking about." People were not demonstrating God's power to me. People were preaching intellectual, good-sounding sermons, and logically I was like, "Yes, I believed because my parents told me that Jesus is Lord, and I have no reason to doubt." And I had a childlike heart. I had no reason to doubt that Jesus was Lord. That's why I believed. But I didn't believe based on a personal encounter with Jesus. And it doesn't have to be this way. But the, the main way that personal encounters happen is by God's power moving, usually through a vessel. That was my personal experience. And that's been the experience of so many people that I've talked to at my church. Um, but once I experienced God's power, once I encountered God's power through a vessel, uh, through the prophetic words, also I was baptized in the Holy Spirit. My tongue started supernaturally speaking in a tongue. That was the first time I felt tangibly Jesus. And just having that tangible experience with Jesus, which was the power of God, like Paul talks about, the power of God. That is what opened up my eyes to see who Jesus was and see His love for me intimately and have this knowing He is worthy of my surrender. He is Lord of all creation. Who am I to think I know what's best for my life? This deep revelation of fear of God came upon me once I encountered God's power and happened to be through a vessel. So, and that's what led me to surrender my life fully to Jesus. So, Paul's saying, "I came as a vessel of God, demonstrating God's power so you could have an encounter with Jesus. So your spiritual eyes could open up, you will so you can know Jesus is real and that He loves you and that He is Lord, rather than just speaking to you nice words and you taking man's word for it." So, that, that is my testimony. I love that verse. I, I, that verse is like such a foundation of my ministry too. Um, the importance of demonstrating God's power, not caring what naysayers say, what people think. I must demonstrate God's power like Paul said, because people need to have their faith rested on God's power. People need to truly be saved, not just raise their hands, say a sinner's prayer, and just stay lukewarm.

Got it. What is, what is baptism of the Holy Spirit?

So, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is, uh, well, we see in the book of Acts how there's a few different examples where the apostles say, "You people here, you've been baptized in the baptism of John. You've been baptized in water, but you've not yet been baptized in the Holy Spirit." Mhm. And then after they said that, a couple different instances. One instance is they then lay hands on people, and they start speaking in tongues. Mhm. That was the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The fire, Holy Spirit, is the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit came like fire upon people. Upon people. When you give your life to Jesus, the Holy Spirit comes and dwells within you. But there's more of God to be found. I don't mean it's like sections of God that we get, but no, there's always, there's always more revelation. There's always more of God's power to be found. We don't, we don't know everything. It's not like we have all the revelation of God the moment we give our life to Jesus. And that's the same with, with the power of God, the fire of God. So, like for me, I had the Holy Spirit in my life since I believe age four, when I gave my life to Jesus. The Holy Spirit was dwelling within me. And that is why I, I found I was different from many people. I, I always loved God. I always felt conviction where others didn't. And the Holy Spirit was guiding me. But then when I, when I came to the point where I was ready for full surrender to Jesus and I wanted more of God, I was baptized in the Holy Spirit. The fire of the Holy Spirit came upon me, and it felt like fire. Not like physically fire for me, but in the fact of it was, came with a force. Came with a force of where my, my tongue is just overtaken, and I was like, "What's happening?" Ah, Jesus, you're so real. Holy Spirit. Like, I feel you on my tongue right now. This is the first, like, supernatural experience I ever had. And, um, I started yelling in tongues. It was fire. Yeah. And then, like, the next, the next day, I just, I just wanted to, I was just so on fire for Jesus like never before. Jesus is so amazing. I wanted to shout to the rooftops. I wanted to pray in tongues all the time. And I had no desire for the things of the world anymore. My flesh was, was, um, wiped away by the fire. The fire was so strong that the flesh couldn't stay, is what happened in my life. Like, when I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, I had no desire for the things of the world anymore. Certain, like, fleshly desires that kept me lukewarm for all those years, even though I was raising my hand up for all the altar calls and everything, hearing really good sermons after sermon, sometimes five sermons a day because I, I went to a church where they had like five services a day, and I served at all of them. Well, not me every time, but I genuinely meant it. Like, I don't want any more of this lukewarmness anymore. But once I encountered God's power, once I was baptized in the Holy Spirit, um, finally I was able to fully surrender. Finally, I, I didn't have any desire to do things of the world.

When you were baptized in the Holy Spirit, were you just like by yourself? Like, what did that look like exactly?

So, actually, you know what happened was, um, when I was at my house, I was at my apartment. While I was at my apartment, there were these, I've actually never told this story before, but I felt by the Holy Spirit to share this now. Um, there were these, this roommate that she started, I, my eyes had just opened up to about the, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and I was hungry for it suddenly, and I just knew it was of God, even though nobody, none of my family members or friends had received it. And this roommate, she started speaking against the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues, like that it was wrong. What? And I just knew, like, "No, this is truth. This is God." And I just, and that was the day that I received it. It was after that. So, it's like, you can see how the enemy didn't want me to receive it. Yeah. But she was speaking in tongues? No, she was just like, she randomly started speaking against it, randomly. Oh, okay. Got it. And that was right in the moment that I was hungry for, and I ended up receiving it that night.

But how did you receive it? Just by yourself?

Oh, it was in a, it was with a group of people. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Small group of people. Got it. Got it. Got it. Because, yeah, I've, a lot of people haven't heard of baptism of the Holy Spirit. Maybe like your audience has, but like, a lot of people that I speak to day-to-day, they've, I know, I mean, I read the Bible, not that I had read the whole Bible up to that point, but until I started learning about the baptism of the Holy Spirit, I didn't even notice these scriptures that I'm now mentioning to you. Yeah. About the, about how it says, "You've been baptized by John's in John's baptism, but not in the Holy Spirit." Yeah. The fire, Holy Spirit.

So, another thing that's very interesting about you is like, you are just like on fire. Like, even sitting in front of you, I'm like, "I need what she's on right now."

Glory to God. [laughter] Hallelujah.

Yeah. And then I, I see photos of, I think you started your church at a park.

Yeah. Well, I started out on an overlook on Mulholland Drive. Okay. Then we went to buildings, and then COVID hit, and then we went, so we couldn't run our building anymore. So, then we went to a park, and that's where revival broke out. Yeah. And then I've seen you speak in huge stadiums full of people, and I see you starting churches all over the world, and I think in the Philippines and,

Yeah, we haven't, I haven't started churches yet, but that will come. Branches are coming. But now they are considered, we call them small groups. Oh, okay. So, you're starting about 50 small groups all over the world.

So, how are you doing this? Because it's just like, how much caffeine are you drinking? [laughter] Can I have some of that caffeine? Like, how are you doing it? Like, yeah.

Um, I would say the number one reason is I don't do it alone. My spiritual father, Prophet Davy, there is so much prophetic direction he releases upon my life, wisdom he releases upon my life. So, I don't ever get stressed. Like, "Is this right? Is this wrong? I don't know if this is God's will or not." It is the importance of having a spiritual covering. Uh, to, but is that religious? Because, no, no, no, no, because, um, my relationship with God is Jesus and me. It is not my spiritual father for my relationship with Jesus and me. So, there should be no mediator between, in between your relationship, your personal relationship with Jesus. Got it. But you do need some sort of authority.

Yes. Like, and that's biblical in the New Testament as well, because Paul says, "You have many teachers, but only one father." Mhm. And, um, and often he was actually saying, "Timothy, go share this word." So, you see how Timothy was not just like, "I'm powerful. I'm going to do my own thing. I don't need Paul. I'm so wise." Like, no, he was humble. Like, he was serving Paul, and he was revering Paul, and he was taking the words that Paul had to deliver to the people. And so, there's like so much wisdom that I've received is from my spiritual father that he's taught me, and now I teach to the people, and I don't hide that. I'm open about that. I don't want to, you know, act like I'm doing it on my own. No. Like, I don't know where I would be. Yeah. With, and, and in so many ways. I mean, for, for one, he released the impartation of anointing to me, but number two, the prophetic guidance, the, the equipping, the, I ask him questions when I, for different situations that arise. Yeah. What's the, what's wisdom for this situation? And so, that takes away stress. Like, I am not stressed. Glory to God. Because of, I mean, because of Jesus, but, but, but specifically, like, doing things God's way, you know, like walking in wisdom to do things God's way. My yoke is easy, my burden is light. So, God has given me a lot of responsibility, a lot that He's called me to do, but I found that it's actually never overwhelming because I don't try to do it my own way. I don't try to do it on my own. I humble myself, and I seek counsel. I ask my spiritual father many questions. Yeah. Regularly. I speak to him about almost every day. So, um, that is, I, I have to say, like, a big reason. But, um, number two, the joy of the Lord is my strength.

Amen. Like, oh my goodness. Like, people, the first year and a half of revival breaking out, I was traveling every single week except for about three weeks to different states and different nations. It was like, I, I think it was probably about, probably 15 or even more, maybe nations during that year and a half that I traveled to, and I would always come back for Sunday services, in time for Sunday services. Wow. So, it was, it was nonstop how I was traveling and doing so much. In the midst of that, I mean, that's when I was editing and posting all on my own every single day, several posts, and going live sometimes throughout that, and, and, and running the church. But, um, the people wonder, like, "How do you do that?" And the answer I can give you is, the joy of the Lord is my strength.

Like, how do people get this joy? I [laughter] don't want some of this. Can you anoint me with this joy? Because how do you do it?

Yeah. Well, like off camera, I was telling you about like struggles that I've had doing what I think is this ministry, where like things will go up, and then it just seems like I get attacked, and, you know, things go down. You know, we go up, like we had our best month ever, and then randomly one of our, uh, cards got completely wiped, and we lost like six or how many? Seven, five. We lost five videos that were great videos, and they just completely were gone. And I'm like, I left a hard drive on a plane before [laughter] that had so much. Yeah. I know. I know the pain. Yeah. But, but yeah, I, I've, Those are not, those are some not joyous moments, I'll tell you. Oh, bro. And then when people are like, "Hey, when are these videos coming out?" And you're just like, "Oh my gosh." But, like, I, I feel like I experience up, and then force against me. Up, and then force against me. Up, and then force against me. So, how do

People like experience this joy? Because you're doing way more than I am.

Well, um, the Bible says that God gives grace to the humble.

Okay. So we got to humble ourselves.

Yeah. So, okay. So, like, we just don't want humility because it sucks. [laughter] But truly, and God lifts the humble. Yeah.

And so, when God, when God lifts you, it's like it's so supernatural and joyous, like the lifting of Joseph, the lifting of David, the lifting of Jesus resurrected. I mean, it's an epic. Like, it's just oh, but you have to wait on the Lord. You have to go through hard things. And so, um, I've gone through some really hard things. I've gone through some very painful moments to get to where I am now.

Can you share one?

Yeah. Like, um, to start off with, um, the church started out with 20 people, about 20 people the first year in 2017, and then we decreased down to 15 the next year, around 15, maybe even less. The next year, 10, the next year, five, the next year, two.

Really?

Yes.

There's two people at the church, including you.

So there's one, just you and her. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Many times.

We can show you pictures.

Yeah. It's just the two of us.

Yeah.

So, that was after four years of ministry and four years of believing in this promise. Because something I didn't tell you is that the same prophet who prophesied by calling, he also prophesied to America in 2017 that God has heard America's prayers for revival and he is answering them now. God is going to be pouring out apostles and prophets because he's restoring the fivefold ministry. This is how he is bringing this great revival because he's restoring the things that are lost. He's doing revival his way, not our way, his way. And that is where we will see so many fruits and lasting fruits and transformation in the body of Christ as well. Purity and power being restored in the body of Christ. That's what's going to lead to the body of Christ shining so bright, which will lead to such a great harvest because the body of Christ will be clean, pure, and powerful. That's how we will shine bright to lead so many of the lost to Jesus. Hallelujah.

So anyways, he prophesied that in 2017. So here I am expecting revival to break out any second. But yet I got these powerful prophecies and I knew they were true and I believed them with all my heart and I'm confessing. I'm speaking to the people. Revival is now. And I'm even saying get ready. Like there's going to be so many people coming. Get ready. It's going to happen any day now.

It took four and a half years for it to take place. And we decreased. And so I related with Joseph a lot during those years. And actually, the way we decreased down to 20 to 15, or I think it was even less that first year. How that happened was by a woman making up a lie and spreading it and several people believing that lie and leaving.

That's how it began. So that was really hard. Um, and, um,

That's happening to me right now, by the way.

Bible come alive. We see Potiphar's wife straight up lying about Joseph, saying Joseph's trying to sleep with her. It was a lie made out of thin air. So you see this, this Jesus, Jesus was lied on. Jesus was saying he was going against scripture. He's a heretic. He was a false prophet. He was using demonic powers to cast out demons. And these Pharisees were speaking this with all passion, speaking it. This is the truth. Complete lies made up. So when you are carrying the anointing, um, this is what happens. The Bible starts coming alive in these ways.

Um, but yeah, so that was one of the hard things that I went through. It was very hard.

One time in, um, COVID time. So it was at this point, four years after receiving the prophecy that I'm waiting for revival to break out. And this day, it was September. It was 100 something degrees in LA. We had our service in the park. It was just the two of us, John and I.

Just you two.

Mhm.

Dang.

Yeah. Oh no, there was one other woman that was serving that day as well. And, um, on that particular day, but sometimes it was just the two of us. But on that day, there was one woman that was sitting there in the amphitheater. I never seen her before, but she was out there sitting there and I was preaching and in the middle of preaching, she ends up leaving. And we had the live streams going. So I turned to the live stream. Now, there was probably between 10 to zero watching. I didn't have a following at that time, but I kept preaching and I looked at the live stream and kept preaching. So that was really, really hard. And God allowed me to go through that to humble me, to refine me, to shape me, to mold me. Yeah.

And, um, so then revival broke out in 2021 beyond my wildest dreams. Um, deliverance started breaking out and people, videos were going viral of people being free and so many people are in need of deliverance. So people started flocking wildly.

So, we grew from about five people attending that January, not the same five, just like different each day, five one day, three different people the next day, seven the next day, different people. So we grew from about five in January to about 20-something in March, or sorry, sorry, March, two months, two months later, the first deliverance took place and then news starts spreading around the world about deliverance taking place at our services in the park because it kept happening after that one deliverance. And so then we grew from 20-something in March to 300 in May.

Mhm.

The amphitheater was overflowing.

Wow. So it was September, just a month earlier, that there was one person and they left, then 300. Imagine that feeling that I had. That was a joy I never experienced before to see God come through on his promises. Be faithful beyond my wildest dreams after all of that waiting and hardship. I related with Joseph so much because it seemed like he was going backwards from the promise he was given from God when his brothers threw him in the pit and then when he was sold to slavery and then when the woman lied on him, then he was thrown in prison. But yet he was actually moving forward in the spiritual realm because God was refining him, molding his heart, preparing him for the promise to be fulfilled for his calling. So that's what I was going through. God was preparing me, but that was the season where the will of God was not fun. [laughter]

Yeah.

But I had the joy of the Lord, but there were tears. You know, God gave me peace through all of it, but it was hard.

And then revival broke out and I'm traveling soon after that, like a couple months after revival broke out, we start having hundreds come every Sunday. People are traveling from different states and soon nations every single Sunday. Ever since that summer, we've had people travel from different nations to attend our Sunday services every single week since 2021 that summer.

Yeah.

Um, but then months after revival breaks out, like some months, it was like February, um, a minister made this post after, you know, telling me in person how blessed she was by my ministry, how excited she was about what God's doing. She suddenly made this public post, um, without telling me, but just, I mean, just making this public post saying, um, I mean, actually, I think she did tell me like the second before she put it out. But my point was was like she just made this post saying that she does not support my ministry. And, um, this brought so much confusion to the body of Christ. And I felt like I was on the, I mean, the tabloids of social media in the Christian world. Like everyone was talking about me, but like in a negative way based on that post.

And, um, man, that was the hardest thing I ever have gone through.

Really?

Yes. Why?

Well, I mean, because I experienced so many, so much unity in the body of Christ. So many, like Christian leaders, they were speaking support to me. They were even, you know, messaging me saying, and I, I didn't even know who a lot of these people were, but they were they were known because I didn't even know deliverance was like happening in other people's ministries. Everything was new to me, really. And so there was, you know, ministers who reached out and saying, "We're supporting you." And including this one minister. And, um, they, they, they all jumped, a lot of them jumped on the bandwagon and then started writing negative things as well.

Um, without even like talking to me, just speaking negative things that weren't true about me. And, um, so,

That happened to me too.

Yep. Literally from other Christians. I, I'm not going to say who, but, and I might even cut this out, but I had a guy come here, very nice, very respectful, and then left and then literally lied multiple back-to-back-to-back lies. And I was like, bro, like, so weird. Like from another Christian that's like very popular online. So I was like, you know what? I'm just going to block them. And then some other people that were associated with him lied about me and I was like, so weird for nothing. It would almost be like if you saw me come out and say, "Hey, she actually stole like one of our laptops." Like, just random where you're just like, doesn't benefit me, doesn't benefit you. Like, why are you making up stuff? And it bothered me a lot. Like, it, it sounds weak, but it hurt my feelings. Like, it genuinely I was just like, why would this happening? Why would this be happening from Christians? I've made business content for 10 years. Never have had an issue. Not one time has a secular person made up lies. But as soon as I start making Christian content, then it's like, yeah, weird stuff starts happening. The pain that I've encountered has come from a lot of different people in the same way. Backstabbing, betrayals, lies, just lies being spoken. Yeah, made up out of thin air. Um, they've all, they've come from many people and I'm telling you, every single one has been Christian. All of the hurt that Jesus has had to heal in my heart. Yeah. And the forgiveness that I've, the, the, the forgiveness I've shown to people, it has been my fellow brothers and sisters and unfortunately, fellow ministers. Mhm.

But that is what we see with, I mean, that's the story of Joseph and his brothers come to life. It was his own brothers. It was the jealousy that he was shining, the anointing upon his life, the calling upon his life that God gave this special favor to him. That's what led them to actually first want to kill him. That's a real story. That's not a fairy tale. Like that actually happened.

And the Pharisees, Jesus was in the synagogues with them. I mean, that was their brother. That was their, I mean, they were worshiping the same God. They were the leaders. They were like Christian leaders of today, is the comparison. And they were the ones that were responsible for the, the persecution, the, the arresting and the,

Crucifixion.

Crucifixion of Jesus. They were the ones responsible. So yeah.

So yeah. Anyway, so that's why it was so painful because I was, I didn't know. I didn't know Christians could do this. I didn't know because my parents are the most, I mean, they've never told a lie. They've never, I've never heard my mom swear one time. I never hear them talk bad about, I never hear them talk bad about anybody. I never hear them show any sign of jealousy. I never saw them be prideful. Literally both of my parents. So that's what I knew. That was my upbringing. And I experienced jealousy here and there, you know, in high school, girls, how it can be. But, but nothing major. Nothing major of people doing such evil acts to me, like making up lies out of nowhere that doesn't just affect me, but it's hurting a lot of people, leading tons of people into confusion. So like there's a lot of people that just believed her, believed, you know, and I mean, believed this minister. And, um, some people said, "I renounce the deliverance I received from your ministry." Mhm. And a lot of people started demonizing me.

Yeah.

Um, and that was that was really hard, you know, but it's Jesus says that he was hated without cause.

Mhm.

Hated without cause and we are no better. A servant isn't greater than the master. So we will also be hated in this world.

Yeah.

So, um, yeah. So, I, I've gone through a lot of hard things, but it's actually made my joy so much greater. Because can you just think about, like, I was thinking of this last night, actually.

Can you think about the joy that David experienced? Actually, that's where dancing like David came from.

Mhm.

You know, dancing like David.

Yeah.

It came from him waiting on the Lord for years. It came from him being hated without cause and being persecuted, being chased down because of jealousy. He was innocent, but he was being treated like scum, like a criminal, just like Jesus would. And but finally the day came where that enemy that was holding him back from walking in his calling, that was hunting him was no more. God silenced the enemies. Let God arise and his enemies be scattered. There came a day where God opened up the eyes of thousands and thousands of people. These people who were serving Saul defected from him and chose to instead serve David because they believed he was truly the anointed one and God was with him. God chose him, not Saul. Now in this season, and so they joined his side. Thousands upon thousands came along him, along his side. So he went from being alone in the caves, feeling alone, being hated without cause. Where is this promise being fulfilled of being king? You know, to now the promise being fulfilled beyond his wildest dreams. Imagine the joy he experienced. That's why he's dancing like David. That was the time the ark was being brought into the city. God's will was finally being done. So this joy that I have, I mean, I've had this joy even amidst the persecution because just the, the, the joy I experienced to to just have this peace and assurance I was in God's will because of this prophetic direction that came upon my life where God spoke to me and just the revelation of God's love for me that came through the power of God through a vessel. So I already had this joy, but I'm telling you, this joy has increased so much with each year because I'm starting to see now the faithfulness of God like never before with each day. And so, those who wait on the Lord shall renew their strength. He shall renew their strength. And so, I found that when you wait on the Lord, he rewards you. Like, when you will endure hard things for his sake and choose to keep your trust in him, he releases this supernatural strength. And what is our strength? The joy of the Lord. The joy of the Lord is our strength. He releases supernatural joy, supernatural peace through every circumstance. And it's supernatural. Like glory to God. The joy that I have, it's supernatural. It's given by God. But it's, it came with a price. It came with a cost. Mhm. It came with doing God's will when it was easy and when it was hard.

What about, so how big is your ministry now?

Uh, so globally, we have, we have people from 171 nations that are planted.

Wow.

And we have more than 50 small groups. So people who are gathering both virtually and in person in 50 different places around the world in the US. Um, yeah. And then we have several hundreds who gather in person in LA and many international visitors and visitors from around the US every Sunday.

Are you guys, do you guys rent a building or are you guys building?

Currently, we are renting a theater. Yeah. In downtown LA, the Blasco Theater.

Got it. Are you going to build a building?

So, we are believing in a building that God will release a building to us in his timing. As of now, we, it is not the plan to actually build from scratch, but,

Yeah.

Is it going to be in LA?

Yes.

LA's so tough. [laughter]

I know. I'm ready. I'm ready for God to do the impossible for this one. The walls of Jericho to come down.

You want to stay in LA? You feel like,

Yeah, I'm called there. We're called there.

What about, um, if you don't mind me asking, are you, are you married? Are you going to be married?

I'm not married.

Okay. Yeah.

Are you planning? Is that a thing?

Yeah. Actually, that was my biggest dream was to be married and have children. And I laid that down to God. I mean, just giving it to him. I did, I did really give it to him. Um, and that was hard, but I mean, like, I just, I really surrendered that, like, if that's not your will, God, like, let your will be done.

Yeah.

Um, but I do, I do have this sense from the Holy Spirit that,

It is God's will and his timing.

Okay. So you will do it. It's not like,

Yeah. It's just his timing.

Got it. And I guess, like, coming up this year, like, what else do you have coming up? If people want to like see you or support you, what do you have going on?

So on July 31st, I am ministering in Orlando, Florida. It's called Ignite Revival Orlando. It's going to be a powerful move of God where many miracles take place. People are healed and freed and receive more of God, the fire of the Holy Spirit, impartation. And I'm also going to be ministering in Paris at the end of August. Um, and that's going to be a powerful event as well. And they're both free. And, um, I also going to be doing a book signing in Tampa July 30th, the day before the Orlando event.

Wow.

And so you can go to 5fchurch.org/events for the to register and all the details.

Yeah. Well, thank you so much for doing this. This is awesome. I really appreciate it.

Thank you so much for having me. This was amazing.

I'm excited for what God's going to do through it.

Thank you.