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Hello and welcome everyone. I'm your host Stefon Burns. Today joined by Pam Gregory, and you've constantly been requesting Pam to jump back on and talk, and I just had this brainstorm recently. I was like I got to run this by Pam. Now we're starting to like ping back and forth. Something's emerging from the chaos, and so uh, hello and welcome.
>> Thank you so much for having me, Stephan. I adore your work. You know, you're absolutely pioneering and doing some beautiful groundbreaking stuff, and people love you, as evidenced by the meteoric growth in your channel. So, it's a real honor to be here with you. Thank you.
>> Well, it's funny. Uh, the few times I've met people in real life that are like, "Oh my god, Stephan." Right. Almost all of them are people that found me through you, which is interesting because I was on your channel once, and we've had comments, and you've been on my channel, whatever. It hasn't been like 20 shows, but something about that connection is a deep resonance there, and uh, almost all of them like, "Oh my god, yeah, I first found you through Pam, and I'm chatting with them at the supermarket or something." So
>> Yeah, jump leads Gregory. I'm very good at connecting people.
>> So uh, we're going to talk about a variety of things. Uh, just to kind of like put it in front of you guys right now, I've been doing some research on the barycenter of our solar system, which is the gravitational point that everything in fact orbits around. There's some interesting dynamics that are being discovered about our barycenter just in the past few years. There's this hypothetical planet 9 that we're pretty sure exists in the far reaches of our solar system. Think like 200, 300, 500 astronomical units. The Earth-sun separation distance is one. Neptune's at 30. Pluto goes out to 50. So think big, big, big, big scales out that may be found imminently. It literally could be happening just in the next few weeks, maybe next couple years, but really probably sooner rather than later if it does exist. I want to chat with you about all that, because this could have profound implications about everything. This could be kind of like the missing link. And then we're also going to go back in time, talk about the discovery of other planets, how they've represented across the years and decades after the discovery. But before we do that, anything that you'd like to say? Or you're starting to do this work on the shamanistic practice and just learning all that, and you're really focused on doing a lot of breath work. You share about that every now and then, and some of these tools for like nervous system regulation. Is there anything that you'd like to share with us about that? Because this is like the other link to everything. The astrology is cool. It's like the science, you could say, and it's like, how do you ground this in a reality?
>> Yeah. And that's a great point, Stefan, because I think, you know, so often with spirituality we think we've got to be kind of out there, whereas actually I think this whole process we're currently going through in this transition is about embodiment. We're actually embodying this human transformation through the body, and that's why it's so unique. So for me, I keep things incredibly simple. You know, weather allowing in England, bare feet on the grass, just ground and breathe deeply. And even an incredibly simple breath is the box breath, where you breathe in for six, you hold for six, you breathe out for six, you hold for six. And even doing that six times, it just brings you into coherence in a much bigger way. Or do the yogic baby belly breath, which is fabulous for really relaxing. You can just feel like butter melting in the sun. You can just kind of decompress. And so, yeah, I'm really [laughter] quite a busy person at the moment, because I really wanted to get out of my very analytical left brain and really get much more into my right brain. And I'm loving the shamanic training, because it's all about that, you know, that shamans can see in the dark. They live in ordinary reality, but also non-ordinary reality at the same time. And so, although I've still got L plates on with all of this, I'm really loving it. So simple principles of connecting to nature, hugging trees, bare feet on the grass, simple, very simple breath work—all of that will serve you very well. And I think to develop a one-pointedness, because the onepointedness can help us so much with coming back into our body, as opposed to getting scattered with a zillion distractions out there. So candle gazing, you know, really simple stuff. So I always like to suggest things which are simple and free. But I think a big part of this process we're going through is shifting from the external to the internal reference point. Because in here it's really simple. Out there it's really complicated, and we just get swept up in the drama.
>> Hey,
>> And my shirt says explore the cosmos within. And uh, you know, it's funny because sometimes in this pursuit for like the analytical stuff or information acquisition, which like I mean I'm doing all the time with my channel reading constant papers and stuff, but uh, it's often these practices that you describe that actually give you that empty mind that allows for new stuff to come in. You have to format process. I know for me, I often get a creative video idea when I'm on a walk.
>> Yeah. Maybe in the morning like drinking a coffee is good for the research papers, but it's not really good for like thinking of a creative video. But then I'll go on my, let's say, late morning, early afternoon walk, and all of a sudden I'm like there it is, and all the little threads that have been in my mind come together in a really interesting way. And uh, another thing too that's kind of a bridge to our larger topic of discussion is you just experienced for the first time ever, it sounds like, this crazy lightning storm in the UK. It's very Uranian. What did that feel like for you?
>> It was wild, and it was so unbritish, 'cause we just, you know, we just have kind of gray miserable weather a lot of the time, particularly through, you know, autumn and winter. But it was spectacular. It was extreme. It was dramatic. But, you know, as you've been saying so fully in your work, I think we're going to get a lot more of this kind of volatility and extremes. This is just the beginning, because the, you know, the earth is going through her own rebirth. The sun is incredibly active, as you cover in all your videos, and it's all part of this massive transition. I think the earth is shedding millions of years' worth of trauma, in erupting all over the place. She has to shed that trauma, and we are just going with her in that. So, we've got to kind of ride that out in the most peaceful way we can, without the nervous system being fried, and um, just continue. The more we can stay in calm and peace, the more it just helps the field, the whole collective field, I think. But yeah, I've never seen anything like it. I mean, everybody was talking about it. Yeah.
>> One of the things that's been studied uh was how there's this scale and variance between lightning strikes on the planet and neural spiking in the brain, because you can take the volume of the atmosphere of the earth and you can also calculate the current density, and then if you compare that to the volume of a skull and the electric discharge of a neuron, they come out to have the same values, effectively. Keep it really simple. Um, so yeah, when I learned that it's very striking. And of course, lightning strikes generate Schuman resonances, it generates a lot of frequency, but most of it gets absorbed into the atmosphere because it's higher frequency and just gets absorbed. But the Schuman frequencies continue to propagate everywhere. Of course, those frequencies are exactly also our brain waves at 7.8 hertz, 14-20, you know, etc. It's almost like—I mean, this is a little speculation—but it's almost like the earth right now is having an epiphany about something at this moment, with all this extreme lightning activity across North America, Europe, and many other places.
>> Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, it's so interesting, isn't it? Because we've been anticipating this astrology, that kind of basket formation that's going to be exact this month, and that's really been running from 2025 through to the end of 2027, and then starts to break up. And that's such an incredibly unique, you know, configuration. I've been thinking about it for the last couple of years, thinking, what's that going to be about? It's like a whole pivot point of consciousness, and hey presto, right on time, we're getting all these kind of extreme external events. But of course, whatever's happening out there, because everything is fractal, it's happening in here as well. So if we're getting these electrical bursts, we're getting it in here as well. It's just consciousness, inner consciousness reflected outward, in my view. And so I think we have to regard all that's happening out there, and the peak, you know, the spiking in the Schuman resonance and all the very high electrification we've got right now, as ingredients for our evolution. So don't let them freak you out. Don't let them frazzle your nervous system. Regard them, welcome them in as ingredients for your evolution, because that's what they're actually doing. You know, we are plasma beings, aren't we? At the end of the day, you know more about this than I do, Stefan. So, that's how I tend, because I think if we're resisting, nothing ever works well when we're resisting. You know, this is a unique evolutionary opportunity. We just got to say, "Yeah, welcome it in. Stay calm. Stay peaceful. Welcome it in." And then everything flows a little more easily.
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Also experience this incredible surge in these natural resonant frequencies. And I'm that's probably actually already precipitated and catalyzed a whole bunch of things for tens or hundreds of thousands or maybe more people across the world that will then take time to fully manifest with some new project or some groundbreaking idea that now has the math to support it, or some book, or whatever. So that's going to be interesting to see. I guess that's already happening. Um, but the idea that I had in studying this configuration is it reminded me of the configuration for the discovery of Chariklo.
>> Yeah. Beautiful six-pointed star.
>> Yeah. The companion to Chiron. It's a centaur asteroid. So, it's out there around Saturn or so. And that's a very rare configuration. I was like, okay. And I've been studying about planet 9, planet X for a long time. And there's uh, there's also these ideas swirling around externally, and also I'm trying to make sense of it of maybe there being a binary companion for our sun, or just figuring out precession. We still don't know precession. Uh, and so I'll punt something your way there for you to consider, which is interesting later. But the idea popped in my mind about how this would be such a perfect configuration for the discovery of planet 9.
>> Yeah, it's so symmetrical and coherent. It's absolutely beautiful.
>> And because it'd almost be like heralding the arrival of it, and all the, you know, I believe everything's conscious—the sun, the planets, and more. So they form this configuration that right at that moment, humanity, which is kind of like the little top of this consciousness pyramid—we're not the top, but you know, we're moving around and we're talking in a very high frequency way and such—uh, we have this discovery. And what astrologers have shown is that every planet that's been discovered has basically really washed humanity with its archetypal influence at that time and in the years following. So then I thought of you. You were like the first person I thought of. Um [laughter] [snorts]
>> So what are your
>> Yeah. What are some of your thoughts there? Well, do you know when you wrote to me a couple of days ago, um, Stefan, the first thing I went to in my head was Bode's law. Titus Bode, I think he published this in 1766. And the whole idea he had very cleverly worked out a kind of mathematical progression of where planets should be from the sun, working [clears throat] outwards from the sun. And um, he was absolutely correct about Ceres being discovered where it was going to be discovered, and then Uranus, and where that was going to be discovered, but Neptune was off. So I just wonder if the further out you go, the more his whole law, um, his whole idea kind of breaks down. So I immediately thought of you, then, you know, are we going to create [laughter] you know, a Burns law, which is going to be how, you know, all those outer planets actually do operate, because you know, it's a very different consciousness. But I started to look just today at the charts for the discovery of Uranus and the discovery of Pluto. And I'm going to keep this very simple, but I think you might find it interesting. So, with the Uranus discovery, the first thing I spotted was Pluto at the bottom here, six degrees of Aquarius. Now, Pluto hasn't been in Aquarius until um, since 1798. It was there from 1777 to 1798. It's going to be at 6—it's about 4 right now. Um, and in this very exact basket formation that we're going to have um in mid-month this July. But next year it starts to form again at 6°, and it's not absolutely exact um to the same degree to the minute that it will be this month, but nevertheless. So it's 4° where you've got the outer planets this time around um Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, also Jupiter's in the mix. Next year in June particularly it will be at six degrees, but Pluto starts to move on to six degrees of Aquarius in February. And here it is also square to the nodal axis. If you can point that out, Stefan, it's at six. And the nodal axis going across. The north node is at six of Taurus and the south node at six of Scorpio. And Chiron, it's worthy of note, is also conjunct that north node in Taurus, which is really interesting. Now, at the end of this month, I think it's the 29th of July, we have a full moon at six degrees of Aquarius. And so, that's a very extreme uh lunation, because you've got the moon conjunct Pluto and the sun conjunct Jupiter. So, I think we're going to see some real extremes there. But, it's just very interesting that that six degrees is being picked up at the end of the month. We also
>> One interesting thing to note there, just FYI, is that heliocentrically that is a very notable planetary geometry for space weather.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I looked at that back in May. I was like, that looks like perfect planetary geometry for a big space weather event. So we'll find out.
>> Yeah. Don't have long to wait. Very interesting. Another couple of things to point out here. The sun is square to Uranus, and that's the planet of discovery, and the planet that was being discovered of course at this time. It's the classic discovery planet. Um, also here we have Pluto trining Neptune, and currently it's sextile to Neptune. So it's an echo. Neptune here is at four of Libra, which is exactly opposite where it currently sits at four degrees of Aries. So, there were just some very interesting things to note as I looked at um, as I looked at this Uranus discovery chart. I'm sure there are more, but I just wanted to keep it very simple. So if we go onto the Pluto discovery chart now, in February 1930, what is really fascinating is that you have the north node again at six degrees of Taurus, and Chiron is conjuncted, just like in the Uranus discovery chart. That's—I found that really, really interesting. And of course, Chiron has just recently popped into Taurus. So that's really interesting, because of course Chiron is the bridge, the go-between between Saturn and Uranus, you know, going beyond the 3D. That's really interesting. Um, another thing to note here is that um, Jupiter is sextile Uranus exactly as it is right now. Um, Jupiter is at here is at six degrees of Gemini, where Uranus will be moving on to early next year. And here also in this chart we have Jupiter square to Neptune, and currently it is trine Neptune. So we've got echoes here of the same planet, sometimes in the same aspect, sometimes slightly different. We've also got the sun here at 29 of Aquarius, which is exactly where the north node is going to be moving on to on the 27th of July. So, and in astrology, people believe that degrees become activated. They become kind of hot with particular meanings. And so we're seeing some echoes already here between the Uranus discovery and the Pluto discovery of—are we seeing something around discovery that is being picked up in both of these charts, which I find fascinating. You've also got the sun, I think, in a T-square. I think you have—yeah, you've got it in a T-square. The sun square to Jupiter out of sign and opposing Neptune. So, um,
>> Yeah.
>> So, I
>> And interesting about this, just looking at it, is it's actually very similar to this basket that we're in.
>> Yeah, that's my point.
>> It's—you have the squares instead of the sextiles on the corners. So, the Neptune to Saturn is a square.
>> Yep.
>> And then it's also semi—different positions there. They're not conjunct. Well, 10 degrees conjunct right now. And then the other one's a square. And that speaks to that Plutonian nature.
>> Absolutely. Because essentially you've got some kind of an echo with two big planetary discoveries here of potential discovery of something else in space. And that's why I got so excited this afternoon, because you know, you've got the same planets realigning right now. Isn't it interesting that the north node is appearing in both charts at six degrees? There's going to be a six-degree configuration of the basket next year. And all of the degrees of Chariklo, I believe, were pretty close—or a lot of planets were in six degrees of their signs in that Chariklo discovery chart, including a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, which is the discovery, you know, aspect. If you, you know, Richard Tarnas has written a whole chapter on this in his book Cosmos and Psyche, as you well know. So there's something about this year and next year holding the potential for another discovery of another planet, if we are to follow the astrology here.
>> Yeah. Well, that chapter in his book is basically a book in and of itself for how long it is.
>> I know. I know. Stop. Yeah. [snorts]
>> There's a few interesting things. Um, basically, and this is also another reason why I uh contacted you, because you've been researching into and feeling into the trans-Neptunian objects a lot, these dwarf planets, which Pluto is uh reclassified as. And the new classification for planets is that has to be able to clear its own orbit and uh basically be in control of its space, and generally has to have enough size and be gravitationally rounded, whatever. Dwarf planets—I don't see them as being really any less significant than planets. It's just different. Um, but we have all these TNOs, as they're called, scattered around the uh solar system. Pluto's just the most well-known, but you also have uh Makemake. You have Sedna, which is really interesting. Eris is actually more massive than Pluto, but a little bit smaller in its volume. It's more rocky. Has this crazy orbital period. And this effort to find a planet 9 has come back onto the scene because of these TNOs. And what they found is especially over the just the past 10 years—they started finding like in 2004 and maybe a little earlier, but it really started to accelerate because they've been finding so many of them now, just in the past decade. And there's an orbital clustering on these TNOs that indicates there's something beyond them that's gravitationally disrupting or just guiding the orbits of them. The range for that orbit, it depends on the mass of the object. But in general, what they've kind of like condensed down to is that the mass is probably 5 to 10 Earth masses. And the range on its orbit is like anywhere probably like 250 to 700 or 800 astronomical units, which is tremendous. Again, Pluto only goes to 50. Eris goes out to a little less than 100. So this would be a big object. Neptune's mass for reference is about 15 that of the Earth. So it'd be smaller than Uranus and Neptune, but it'd be quite a bit bigger than the Earth out there in this orbit that's 5,000, 10,000, 20,000 years for a single revolution. And so that's really quite incredible. And there's a new observatory that's been created in Chile, the Vera C. Rubin Observatory. Just on the 30th of June, 2 days ago, they finally turned it on for full functioning for their 10-year deep sky survey, 10-year Legacy Survey of Space and Time. All the astronomers who discovered these TNOs that are talking about planet 9 have been refining the calculations as more of them have come in, uh, and creating statistical probabilities for where it's likely to be, which is also interesting. It's likely be right now near the Pleiades in Taurus. Um, you know, so the constellation—though that's for the constellation, but in the Pleiades basically—um, they expect that it'll be found, or at least we'll have an answer as to whether this exists or some other thing that we haven't thought of yet, by mid-2027, beginning of 2028, uh, because it needs enough time to take these surveys and then stack the images effectively, to keep it simple, to then be like, okay, we found it, because it's going to be very, very dim, because it's reflecting light from our sun but from let's say 400 astronomical units away. But that could perhaps happen in 2027 with the second basket we get with Ceres instead of Jupiter.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is absolutely fascinating, isn't it? So, and you know, we know going back in history that when whenever we get Pluto in Aquarius, we discover more in-depth information about the cosmos further and further out. I mean, you know, we have that fantastic time with Kepler in the 1500s, when he was developing his three laws of planetary motion, and you know, we had a lot of um Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto aspects. Then in 1596 was a conjunction between Jupiter, Uranus, and Pluto, and he wrote his Mysterium Cosmographicum. You know, he rewrote the rules of the universe essentially in the 1500s. And so that was, you know, two times back that Pluto was in Aquarius. So it starts to get very, very exciting, that we anticipated as astrologers that with Uranus in Gemini and Pluto in Aquarius, this was going to be a big, big time of further out discovery, of understanding the cosmos, and here we are with this extraordinary astrology. So that is really—I see this 2025 to 2027 as an accelerated, a very concentrated period of accelerated evolution for our consciousness. That's what I'm seeing. And of course, the discovery of another planet, as you said earlier on, Stefan, whenever we get that, there's more to integrate and incorporate into our conscious, and maybe we don't even discover it until our consciousness is ready to find it.
>> Yeah. I mean, at least it's a really compelling idea to me that it happens soon. And that's what like basically mainstream science—at least the astronomers are suggesting that they're going to find it within two years or so, which could line up perfectly with this. Uh, because we see with the discovery of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto how that's connected in to the themes undergoing like basically percolating and maybe even some aspect dominating society. Uh, I could read this really quick. Uranus discovered 1781, found during the American and French Revolutions. You studied the French Revolution—you realize just how crazy it was. Right.
>> Yes.
>> Here in the States, you like barely touch on it.
>> Yeah. I think similar echoes right now. I've often quoted it, Stephan, because you know, we've got all the same themes lining up, haven't we? You know, massive inequality, etc. Anyway, sorry to interrupt.
>> It. Well, yeah, the potential energy is built up so high that you wonder when the bubble—like the pinprick is going to hit that balloon, it's going to pop. I mean, it could get wild really quick. But that also 1781, end of the 1700s, is the Industrial Revolution. There's rebellion, change, technologies just exploding on the scene. Neptune's 1846, rise of spiritualism that really started to accelerate then, later in the 1800s, but started up again because it was dead for hundreds of years because of all the witch hunts and everything, finally started coming back into society. Discovery of anesthesia, development of photography. Then Pluto 1930, the authoritarian totalitarian governments, world wars, the Great Depression—you know, these brutal powerful themes. I just listened to a recent talk with uh Dan Weights, and his guest is the author of this book of like the demotion of Pluto or something like that. His thesis is that this Plutonian influence is waning now after its discovery, especially because it's also being reflected in our modern life—that Pluto is no longer, you know, it's no longer a planet. It's a dwarf object. It's being put more into an appropriate place. Um, and that once these Plutonian themes decrease, these more harmonious, human-like, humanity-focused themes will emerge. What are your thoughts on that?
>> Yeah, it's really interesting. I think if you ever had a really strong Pluto transit in your life, which many of us have, I wouldn't call that any kind of demotion, [laughter] um, whatever it's called, dwarf planet or not. And I don't know if you're familiar—I'm sure you are, because uh Dan Weights interviewed this lovely lady a while back called Rosie Finn. And she did this huge amount of 20 years of research, and she found that whenever Pluto went out of bounds to the south, which started in August last year and will continue August to December pretty much every year till 2035, that the power starts to come back to the people. So and when it was out of bounds to the north, it was much more authoritarian. So I have great hope with the consciousness rising and people waking up to a lot more truth in life, and I think that's going to start to happen really fast from this point on, that we will say enough, you know, we want to build a much more loving world than this. And um, I have great hope because her research was so assiduous and detailed that that's the way it's going to go, that we are going to take up our own sovereignty, our sense of inner authority, and you know, I bang on about that endlessly in my work, but that's the only way forwards. You know, we can't continue to live in victim consciousness as we've done for so long. You know, we're remembering our greatness. Yeah.
>> What I'm kind of reminded of is I see there being multiple lines of evidence pointing in this direction, that there's almost like a change of the guard unfolding now.
>> And yeah.
>> I mean, we know that the past few decades have been very Pluto dominant with uh the splitting of the atom and the Cold War. I mean, the themes have just been so strong, and it's almost like what they're doing with these surveillance cameras and you know, the data centers, so they could process all that information—this stuff is like one last hurrah to try to keep that system going. But I'm not sure it's going to work, 'cause whether it's Pluto out of bounds to the south, or whether it's just uh some of these other things—you can watch that interview, I'll link in the video description. I thought it was really good. You know, it's probably a combination of all these things. But if a new planet is discovered that extends well beyond Pluto, and Pluto is again, you know, a trans-Neptunian object, and there's Eris as well and many others, and it's the force that's guiding and controlling many of them in addition to the sun with their orbit—this speaks to a much larger influence. Um, and these TNOs, they have uh, you know, they weren't named just by the conventional Greek or Roman myths and standards, which are very male-dominated—not exclusively, but generally—there's Hawaiian gods and goddesses, Rapanui. So now it starts to bring in this multicultural and also much more feminine uh influence. So I think that's really interesting, because if this is going to be represented, let's say this does happen, and it represents this new uh journey for humanity, and we've been talking about this rise of consciousness and the whole birth of new Earth, like this could be a very physical manifestation that we finally realize exists of that.
>> Yeah, I think that's beautifully said, um, Stephan, and also, you know, you were saying earlier that you get your best ideas when you're out walking. You're kind of in yin receptive mode, not when you're really focused in a much more yang way on going through the research paper. So, you know, this is the way forwards, I think. And, you know, again, I remember from this basket configuration, the seed point of Uranus and Pluto in the 1960s where people said enough, you know, enough. We're not going to do this anymore. We're going to create a much more loving world. And, you know, it didn't last, but massive protest. So, I think that's part of the picture. But yeah, the discovery of these new planets um is very beautiful, because a lot of them have been discovered just at the turn of the century, and we're very lucky to have astronomer Mike Brown, who's discovered quite a few of them. I think he discovered Eris and uh Makemake, and I think Ceres—I think, but that's further in—there's another one as well. Anyway, he's discovered several. And luckily, he's very well-versed in mythology. And so, the name Haumea, I believe, came because he discovered the uh dwarf planet when his wife was pregnant. So, he wanted to find a mythological name that was linked to fertility. So, he chose the Hawaiian goddess of fertility. And Haumea, as you know, is actually physically egg-shaped, which is kind of ridiculous. You know, you think of fertility. So, we're very lucky to have him. And yes, a lot of them are very feminine in nature, which I, you know, which I absolutely love. I mean, you've got Sedna, um, exquisitely feminine. You've got, uh, Līlī, Liliʻuokalani—no, that's not—you've got Eris, feminine. You've got Varda, feminine. And by the way, just a short tangent here. Varda is currently on the world axis. It's coming up to zero. It's about 29 and some minutes of Sagittarius coming into Capricorn. So on a world point, and uh short deviation here, because she's very connected to the elemental realm and elves. And I just read today that in a province in China, a lot of people are going into hospital because they're eating a certain kind of mushroom that is producing hallucinations of little elves and pixies and fairy people. Did you read that? I've heard about these mushrooms [laughter] in the
>> You know, but it's all elemental. They're all tiny, tiny people. I just thought that is right on time for Varda being on the world axis. Um, you've got Salacia, you know, which is beautiful. So you've got quite a few of them that are very much representing divine feminine energy, and we've got to have that to balance, you know, the heavy masculine influence we've had to date, the heavy yang. Because if we look back to ancient civilizations where—I think, you know, we can probably say one of the best civilizations we have any sense of was ancient Lemuria, and that everything was in harmony. You know, you would never hurt the earth or kill to eat. Everything was connected, everything was in oneness, and everything was in balance, the masculine and the feminine. And I think we've badly lost that, and we can see the results of that um through many lifetimes. But now it's time to come back to that balance. And it's a remembrance. It isn't just a discovery going forwards. It's a remembrance of what once was. And that's where shamanism comes in. The connection to the earth, the natural patterns and seasons. And I think ancient Lemuria has a great deal to tell us. And there's a wonderful chap, I don't know if you've come across him, who is uh who still carries on the Lemurian lineage. And he said the land of ancient Lemuria never disappeared. It's just humanity fell out of love. And once we
>> Is this Kahu?
>> And once we reconnect to love, we will start to see the land masses reappear, which I think is quite beautiful. So you know, this is the way to go—being much more loving, yin, receptive, inclusive. And I think the dwarf planets have so much to teach us in all of that. And isn't it interesting as well, Stefan, and this is your world rather than mine, but you know, within our current solar system, the planets all orbit roughly around the ecliptic plane. You get beyond Pluto, and it gets pretty wild out there. It gets pretty crazy. You know, you've got Eris at an inclination of 44 degrees, and, you know, you've got some—none of them are really on that ecliptic plane. So, they're kind of playing by their own rules. And I love that as a principle. Yeah, I find that uh really interesting as well. And uh Pluto has a little bit of an inclination too, but it's almost like this boundary between being more like a normal planet with its orbital properties and then uh like some of these really crazy TNOs. Um, but one of the—so Mike Brown and some other people are really doing the discovery of these uh objects. One of the ideas that's kind of top of the list, or names that's top of the list if this planet gets discovered, is Persephone.
>> Oh, beautiful.
>> What are your thoughts on that? I mean, it continues that convention—the naming convention of it being uh you know related to Greek or Roman. So it's not some other culture, but it brings in another female deity other than just Venus.
>> Yeah, I think that is so beautiful, and you know, it brings in a remembrance of natural seasons as well, because of course she came back to the earth for the spring and then has to descend again because she ate the pomegranate seeds, didn't she? But it's um, there's something—we've been very dominated by the Pluto side, as you say, but with Persephone and her link to Ceres, etc., I think that's a very big part of the picture going forwards. And I also love the fact that she goes into inner earth, as it were, because I think we have a ton to discover about the inner earth beings, and I think Persephone's myth just hints at that.
>> They are
>> And it would be
>> Part of our galactic family. Yeah. Well, it'd be very fitting if this planet was discovered in middle of 2027, because Ceres is going to be in that basket with Jupiter.
>> Correct.
>> So then if this planet gets named Persephone—I mean, this is all just kind of ideation, but it's so perfect, at least even maybe just the idea itself is what we need right now of where things are. But how do you see this myth of Persephone being uh unfolding across humanity right now? Because I would imagine, let's say this does happen in the next two years, this planet gets discovered, that's what she's named. Um, the themes are already going to be active. I mean, I personally see this being pretty dominant right now. This coming into awareness, understanding of the light and the dark, and that empowerment principle, especially for women.
>> Well, she was kidnapped, wasn't she? She was kidnapped and taken down to Hades, and it was a bit of a rough deal down there, and you know, her mother was absolutely distraught. And I think it has parallels to the myth of Sedna, when the storm blew up and Sedna was trying to hang on to the boat and her father chopped her fingers off. You know, he doesn't come out of that that well either. So I think it's another echo of the dominance of the patriarchy and how poorly that has served humanity to date. And I suppose the only good thing about it is it's acting as a very strong catalyst, just like the pandemic did, to act as a strong catalyst to say, do you know what, we're done with this, we're not going to do it anymore. But I think it will make the whole thing of light and dark and control and dominance even more fully obvious um to the world population, that something has to change, and we do not behave like this. So much greater sense of equality coming in.
>> I'm just thinking about how this kind of starts up even going back to the Pluto-Uranus conjunctions in '65, '66, and
>> Isn't that right around when the pill got rolled out, or that was starting to become available?
>> And that of course has massively changed everything, and now we're in these new aspects but built off of that conjunction because of the Pluto-Uranus trine. So like these themes have already been hinting perhaps, and then we more fully see that—I just think there's something coming here.
>> There is. And I think their biggest issues around fertility, fertility of the earth and what we've done to the earth, and this of course is her links to her myth, um, and how she with her shamanic abilities and her magic stick, the mace, was able to regenerate the perished earth even though there'd been terrible agricultural practices and bring food from the sea. Um, and so yes, there's a sort of resurgence of this very necessary feminine aspect, and I think big fertility issues for humanity as well. Chiron moving into Taurus I see as, you know, the recognition of a hit on fertility for people as well as what we've done to the earth—a sort of desecration, I think, of the earth. And I think we will start to become guardians and stewards of the earth in a much bigger way and see the earth almost as part of our family, as a living consciousness, which indeed of course she is, but we haven't lived that way—we've lived very poorly with respect to the earth. But I think Chiron in Taurus has a big role to play with that as well.
>> What's interesting is that we were talking about the lightning strikes earlier, and we know that mono-industrial, monoculture, mono-agriculture just depletes the soil and everything. But we also know that lightning strikes generate all the nutrients that soil needs to be very abundant. And there's some evidence that these sacred sites were built in areas that accumulated positive charge, and they were helping to build that antenna even more so. So it would enrich the land for agricultural pursuits, which was the big revolution that came about last time Sedna is here at its perihelion, which is an 11,400-year orbit. Here she is again, and we're seeing the earth itself right now refertilize herself with this extreme electrical activity, which is going to generate a huge amount of Schumann resonances, which overlaps with us, generates all these creative ideas, and who knows what else in our body, in our DNA. DNA is an antenna that connects to all this, water is being imprinted with all of this. So, it's just—there's just so many areas where it feeds back in on itself and uh builds a very coherent, cohesive story that I just—I don't know. I feel a resonance that there's something here. Um
>> And we are waking up, Stefan, aren't we? In terms of more psychic ability and telepathy, and dreams being so vivid, and you know, regular, ordinary, normal people I know are starting to have extraordinary experiences. You know, the bush in the garden talked to them, the tree down the road talked to them, you know, and they're kind of completely freaked out because they've got no context for it, but it's starting to happen broadscale, and that means that the collapse of the old is going to happen more quickly once people wake up.
>> Yeah. So, I mean, is there anything this configuration—I mean, this is just one idea of many. I think it would really be quite perfect. At least it's effectively active right now when this observatory that is the key observatory that will hopefully find it.
>> Wow.
>> Because of its unique technology, the 3.2-gigapixel camera taking a survey of the sky literally every single night or every few nights uh is starting up right now. Uh, and they expect to be able to find this planet within about two years. Uh, but what are there any other things? I mean, this is just one idea, but this basket configuration, how do you see this playing out in other ways?
>> Gosh, I think so many ways. You know, it was interesting if we go back to the Neptune-Pluto conjunction sort of 1891 to uh 1893—that was really the birth of quantum physics and the discovery that consciousness affects matter. And so I think that's going to be a big part of it, of recognizing how we actually create our reality in a much, much bigger way than
than the average bear fully recognizes it. Um, I think the the Neptune, um, the Neptune Uranus aspect, which was birthed in 1993, I think was the last conjunction, and that was very much about technology, Uranus going viral in the world.
I said that I think there's going to be an absolute explosion in technology. We can see it already in in AI. But I very much agree with you that AI, as it is in its current form, is not going to, is not going to last long term. That that's my current view because it's so destructive for the environment. But what I can see is longer term, some form of AI that does not have a profit motive, that operates merely for the good of the earth and the good of humanity, um, being a tool as we go forwards rather than any kind of surveillance or or domination. So I think that's part of it too.
I think, um, the Uranus Pluto aspect, again, '65, '66, and the Summer of Love, of course, in '67. You weren't around then, um, Stefan, but it was amazing. It was an incredible period of of creativity. Uh, it was absolutely amazing with all that wonderful, you know, when you talk about the '60s, it's a defined period and everybody knows what you're talking about in terms of poetry and art and, but it was about freedom. It was about freedom of the individual. You know, no, we're not going to do this. No, we're going to be going to have sit-ins. I mean, there were sit-ins and protests right across the world, particularly in '68. It was dramatic. Universities, trade unions. It was phenomenal.
So I think you're going to see quite a lot of social unrest in that way that may not be, you know, all shouty and on the streets, but will simply be energetic and emotional disengagement from the system. And the way the Uranus Pluto aspect also operated there was that people were living in communes, they kind of, you know, went off their own way and said, we're not going to live in in kind of mainstream ways, we're going to create communities and start to grow their own food. So that's, you know, a big, big thread I think in, um, in what we're seeing here.
But I think the whole understanding of the universe, because I think of obviously Jupiter is expansion and Pluto is vast distances, I think we are really going to find that galactic beings who've always been our family are going to start popping up much more frequently in our dreams, in our meditations, um, for some people, they, that will be physical, literally physical appearance, and we're going to start to feel comfortable with that, that they are actually loving beings for the most part and have been helping us all the way through. So I think that whole idea of a much bigger galactic family is part of this huge expansion in consciousness and awakening that we're going through right now.
So, you know, there are lots of different threads to it, really. And, um, yeah, you know, it's very interesting that Jupiter Pluto is very connected to, uh, development of the telescope, because in 1609, Galileo, you know, released his telescope, uh, and that was under a Jupiter Pluto aspect. Um, the Hubble, um, space telescope was also under a Jupiter Pluto conjunction, 1981. The first images of the cosmos, I think that was '94, '95, under a Jupiter Pluto, I think it was a conjunction. So, you know, there's some very interesting.
And of course, Neptune, all to do with discovery, photography, development of photography, you know, and I don't just think it will be out there, up there, because we have so much air. I think it will be deep in the oceans because of the myth of Sedna. I think we barely know anything about the depth of our sea oceans and all they have to offer us in terms of new species and ecosystems and plant medicines. I think that's going to be extraordinary. But I also think it's within the earth itself and the inner earth beings. I think that's not too far away.
Now, you know, my good friend Martha Alter Hines, astrologer, she channels an inner earth being, and she's just, you know, one step ahead of the rest of us, I think. So, I think it is an immensely expansive, exciting, unique period in humanity's history. And we've just got to keep calm, keep steady, keep our spiritual blinkers on so you know you're not all jazzed up by the craziness, and just focus on on the vision of where we're all trying to get to, which is to build a much more loving world.
>> Well, I don't know what the inner earth beings would be, but, uh, the geology would suggest that there are really powerful electric currents that travel through the earth.
>> Wow.
>> Because as the earth warms, you know, as you go down, eventually it warms up.
>> Um, and there's even a critical threshold. We, we don't, we can't conclusively say because we haven't drilled the 35 kilometers. But if you go to 35 kilometers down, the mineralogical transition strongly suggests that you go from the rock types being in general resistive to conductive, and now you have free electrons.
>> Wow.
>> So not only is there a lot of, uh, heat, which in general, uh, allows for greater conductivity, but you have big, uh, big currents of electrons flowing. And these very powerful electric currents that could be in the millions of amps in strength. And we already know that to current currents exist, but 35 kilometers down isn't that deep. You have then the entire mantle to go through. So, um, may, you know, there's, there's certainly lots of plasma in the earth. And, uh, there's also, I mean, I, I firmly believe this and there's evidence, but you could also just research into it, whatever. But plasma and consciousness are so interconnected, um, just like light and plasma are connected, because you don't have light without plasma, and you don't have plasma without light. It's, it's high frequency light that can take matter, ordinary matter, turn into plasma by ionizing it. But then it's when that ion, uh, recombines, let's say, that electron comes in, recombines to neutral, that a little light photon zips out. So they're super connected together.
So, uh, it's all kind of plasma. And, you know, my friend Dana Kipple, she talks about plasma being the, uh, the goddess and Sophia. And, um, if this, if this planet, let's say, it's found and it is named Pphanie, that that speaks to all that. She, she went down and had this, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't that great at the beginning because she was kidnapped, but then she had this empowerment process, and it does speak to that, that renewed fertility of the earth. And right now, we're in that process where she is kidnapped and being held against her will and everything else. But then eventually she does reemerge, and we have the seasons, and earth renews. And it was her mother, Ceres, which was in, uh, grieving and in despair, that caused the earth to, you know, go completely barren until Pphanie was allowed to return via Jupiter.
So, even interesting, the basket configuration has that Jupiter Pluto aspect. And then let's say 2027, that is when they're looking to maybe find this planet because they need enough of these images to stack. Then Jupiter moves out, Ceres moves in, it hits that six degrees. I mean, it would be so crazy. Um, and really, one of the reasons why I wanted to do this video is because astrology fundamentally, one of the fundamental tenets is like, you're, you are trying to predict what's going to happen. So this video is that effort.
>> Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I found it fascinating that I don't know if you're familiar with the Gene Keys and Richard Rudd. Um, but he downloaded when he had his, you know, massive psychic experience, mystical experience when he was 29. Um, really what became the modern day mystery school is the Gene Keys. But his his best known one is Gene Key 55, which is all about freedom. And that's the analogy of the caterpillar turning into the butterfly, which he says will be happening by the end of 2027. And he said this evolutionary, this rapid acceleration of our evolution began on January the 30th, 2025, when in his system, Pluto entered Gate 41. Whatever that means. I don't understand Gene Keys. But that began a genetic mutation across all species, not just you and me, but slugs and snails and mosses and trees and birds and, you know, across the entire species. And, you know, that is fascinating because just like you, Stefan, I talk to a lot of people. I talk to cosmologists and theoretical physicists and spiritual people and mystics. And, but they were all, I put, I put together a video a couple of years ago called Convergences and Game Changers, because what I was seeing in the astrology, I couldn't believe that so many people in different modalities were essentially all saying the same thing.
And, I mean, I don't know if you've, you've heard Dr. David Clements recently, he was on my, um, channel and he was talking about this massive evolutionary wave occurring for humanity in June and July and into August, but the peak would be late June and early July. And, and you, in your videos, you know, from your perspective, are saying exactly the same thing.
>> Yeah, I watched, I watched a bit of that. I haven't finished it yet. Um, but we've been having all this solar activity. Um, and it, it's still, you know, it's still the active part of the solar cycle, but just these huge sunspots have suddenly emerged and started just going absolutely nuts, which is charging the ions here, which is driving all this electrical activity. So there's, there's something afoot. And the, what I think about is therefore, like, how the sun is aiding in all this, uh, and helping drive this. Now, the sun, of course, is very stable, like, in general. It's not like it's turning off. It's just always there, pumping out light energy, keeping the whole party going, and very from a very benevolent place. Uh, what, what are your thoughts and feelings just around the sun and what's been happening? And because that's, that's the largest, you know, everything fundamentally is kind of being moved around by the sun. So, where do you see this solar influence coming in? Can you talk about the plants a lot?
>> Yeah. I just, again, you know, I just see it's, it's right on time. You know, if you study astrology, it's kind of not a surprise. And I know we were supposed to be at the tail end of solar cycle 25 when all this has kicked off, but there's so much Uranian activity right now. Um, you know, because Uranus is very much part by that configuration, and it rules Aquarius, and Pluto's in that sign, and Pluto always intensifies and catalyzes whichever sign it's in. So, you know, Uranus is big in the astrology right now. So all of this kind of jazzed up electrification that's affecting the sun, the earth, us as humanity, I, I think is just, is just right on time. And it's, it's part of this rapid, rapid acceleration in our DNA, in who we are as beings. And I think even in a year's time, we are going to have changed almost out of all recognition. We are going to be so different as beings because everything is connected. Whatever's happening to the sun, we know that's happening within us as well.
And so I just see it as immensely exciting. I know it can be disruptive with earthquakes, volcanoes, and, you know, my heart goes out to those people in Venezuela. That's just a catastrophe. But if we can largely, if it's away from, um, populated areas, we can embrace it and say, this is a necessary process for us to go through to become, to remember who we truly are as as human beings. Just like Sedna went through her metamorphosis, just like Pesphanany also went through a process where she rediscovered her empowerment. I mean, they're very parallel myths, aren't they? Sedna and Pesphanany, um, not being served well by a patriarchy and, um, and then finding their power in a very beautiful yin way. Again, feminine.
>> Well, definitely Venezuela, uh, bringing to people's attention the some of the, the corrupt aspects because these buildings, some of them just collapsed instantly. And so I, I hope that public outrage, you know, actually results in in in real change. Um, and it's because it's not just Venezuela that has some of these problems with building standards and more. Um, one, one thing I want to, uh, put by you before we sign off then, uh, because this is even like a, a, a larger thing to some degree, is, you know, a lot of people know that we actually don't orbit around the sun. All the planets orbit around a barycenter, which is the, the true gravitational center of the solar system, because the fact that Jupiter, for example, does have mass shifts that center of mass from the center of the sun to sometimes even outside the sun. I think the barycenter at its maximum can be like two solar radii away from the center of the sun. So it can actually exist outside the sun. And we have these periods where the sun orbits the barycenter in this trefoil-like pattern, almost like a Celtic knot. And then there's these transitions to, uh, more irregular motions. And those seem to be determined primarily by Uranus-Neptune conjunctions, which is interesting because you have Saturn and Neptune guiding the main rhythm. Well, it's actually the sun, of course, sun, Saturn, Neptune, creating the main rhythms of the barycenter orbit, which is a 60-year thing where it loops in and creates that, that beautiful sacred geometry. But, but then when the disruptors, Uranus and Neptune, have certain key alignments, it shifts it from a more coherent orbit to a more disordered orbit.
Um, in addition to that, I'm just getting the information in front of you. So then your brain cells can pop off, uh, and everything else. They recently just, uh, created an ephemeris for the solar system barycenter incorporating the orbits of the trans-Neptunian objects.
>> Brilliant.
>> Because as you go further out, the torque generated by these planets increases because they're swinging around at such a far distance, which then speaks to how would this hypothetical planet influence the barycenter and therefore the motion of the sun, and of course all the planets around it. That's interesting. But they found that Eris, in particular, had a notable influence on the, uh, the rate of change for the velocity of the barycenter through the solar system, uh, more so than Pluto, because it has more mass and it's also further out. So, not only would the discovery of this planet, let's say, you know, further help us refine the actual positioning of the barycenter and the movement of everything around it, um, but it also perhaps could even allow us to understand what's really happening with things, for example, like precession of the equinoxes. So what these, these TNOs, clearly are more important than a lot of people think if they're able to actually influence the center of gravity in a significant way of the entire solar system, which the sun itself is orbiting around.
>> Yeah, I mean, it's fascinating, isn't it? And, and will the discovery of this new planet, if it does happen next year, actually start to be a connector to a whole other galaxy or or galactic civilization of some kind? Is that a possibility, Stefan? I mean, I, I, well, galaxy, I don't know the wormholes and whatever, but I mean, if it's out there and it's been out there for billions of years, uh, the light that it's receiving, the heat it would have would be very low, but it's expected to be rockier, but it is in this interesting place with all the TNOs, which are water-rich.
>> Right.
>> Like something that I was thinking about recently, I didn't actually mention in a video, but you're going to love this, is about how every single trans-Neptunian object, at least the ones that are water-rich, are imprinted with energy and information, consciousness. We see with the work of VA Austin and others, you know, your good friend Veta, um, she's doing this crystal freezing. So how are we, in the process of discovering them, also perhaps imprinting new thought forms and ideas into these massive reservoirs of water?
>> Oh, that's really beautiful.
>> So I think there's something potentially, you know, there's going to be consciousness there. Just is it going to be, you know, something snapping with four or five fingers? I'm not sure, sure, sure about that, but there's going to be something there transformative when it gets found.
>> That's beautiful because they, you know, all the planets are are consciousness, aren't they? They're just probability waves of consciousness. And I don't know how you feel, um, Stefan, but do they all just have a different magnetic resonance, a different pitch, as it were? And it's actually Pythagoras was was spot on that it's a, an entire symphony with which we are interacting.
>> That's what I think. Uh, and, and then knowing the influence of water, we look at Earth and we think that Earth has the most water in the solar system. It actually doesn't.
>> Yeah.
>> There's, there's moon like Europa has more water than Earth does. And these TNOs can have a lot of water. So while we're a very important component of all this, we may not be the only thing, which some people, they're in that mindset of, well, consciousness only resides in humans and everything else is dead in the universe, which makes no sense. Um, but we're, we're finally perhaps going to discover the, a bit, a bit more of the greater holism that actually is in our solar system. Everyone will finally be like, "Oh, glad he finally figured it out."
>> Isn't that beautiful though, that, you know, that humanity wakes up to the fact there's consciousness in absolutely everything. It's kind of pantheism, isn't it? That that, you know, whether it's a, you know, a crystal or a bird or a slug or a snail or a planet. It's, it's all the same. It's just fractal expressions of of one consciousness. And I think if there is a discovery such as you're, you're speaking of, um, that could really reinforce that whole idea, which would be beautiful.
>> The, the other thing I want to just put in front of you is, uh, you know, precession of equinoxes. The current theory is that's caused by gravitational perturbations and then this, this idea about some binary companion that might not, if it is a star, it's an ultra, ultra, ultra wide binary. We're not even sure it's possible. But then I was, uh, presented the idea from, uh, Bibhu Dev Misra. Yeah.
>> Because he actually wrote a paper on this and I just read the idea. I was like, "Oh, that makes perfect sense." Which is that the actual solar system itself is rotating.
>> Yeah.
>> Have you ever heard of that? I haven't heard that specifically, but I know Heather Ensworth has interviewed him several times and is a big, big proponent of his work. And and Heather feels that the precession of the equinoxes is actually 24,000 years with Sirius as our binary star, as you, as you suggest. And that that would link in perfectly with the Indian Yuga cycles, which are 12,000 years ascending, 12,000 years descending. And Bibhu Dev Misra, in his work, was saying that the equinox, the Aries equinox last year in March, was the beginning of the end of the Kali Yuga, the age of darkness. And we are now at the very beginning of ascension. And that just intuitively fits with me in terms of what we're living through right now, because we're all spotting the darkness and saying, I want to get, you know, I want to create something way, way better. So I think we've gone beyond the end of the darkness in our consciousness. And so that really resonates. But as you say, you're the expert on the astronomy with with Sirius, but I have huge respect for Bibhu's work and also my good friend Heather's work as well. She's written a whole book on this and it just fits so perfectly with the Yuga cycles and of course, the Indian sages were incredibly advanced, weren't they? Their knowledge intuitively from the Vedas, etc. So,
>> but we, we, we know that the stars, yeah, there's, there's way more happening with us and our local stars than main, I think probably astronomers, uh, think. I think astrologers are probably closer in and touching in on that. I just, this idea of a solar system rotation itself having this very long period was really interesting to me because we see the smallest little asteroid spins. Then you look at a moon and it's spinning. You look at a dwarf planet, it's spinning. All the planets are spinning. The sun is spinning. Then you look at the galaxy, it's spinning. If you look at interstellar clusters like, uh, the Pleiades, they're spinning around central points. So why, why wouldn't there be some spin factor for our solar system?
>> Yeah.
>> And if the procession is roughly 24,000 years, we know it's in that zone, right? This, this hypothetical planet could have an orbital period that is equivalent with that. It doesn't have to be. It could maybe be half of it. It's in this like 10 to 20,000 range or so, but they don't exactly know. But it could even be that we have this planet having a resonance with the procession as well, which is speaks to how this, uh, this planet, should it exist, is also more directly influencing the, the, the evolution of energy and the cycles of life and time and consciousness for all the planets in the solar system, uh, across time. So it has a, it would have a huge profound role in everything. I'm very excited for you, Stephanie.
>> We'll find out. Uh, Pam Gregory, thank you so much for joining. Um, this has been fun. Uh, where can people learn more about you and watch your videos?
>> Yes, website is pamgregory.com. Super busy on my YouTube channel, Pam Gregory Official. Just launched a new initiative a couple of days ago, which is going super well. I don't know if you know about that, Stefan, but it's, uh, yeah, I just had an idea because often the phrases come through my videos like, um, starve out the scary, loving the good, lock on to love as your docking station, you know, whatever. All kinds of phrases that come through me. And, um, so I decided with a very good long-term friend of mine to start to produce some products or get in touch with a company who only works with organic sustainable cotton, such as you have with your products as well, but they also do hats and mugs and various things. And so we've used my phrases, about a dozen of them, across their product range. And all the money that's generated, um, the net proceeds are all going to go to charities. I'm not taking a penny from it at all. No financial benefit of any kind. And we've identified five charities which will rotate over time. So different charities come in and we will be sure to be donating money to to those. And, you know, this is a heart-centered venture for me. I'm not doing this for any financial motive. I want to put something back into the world in a really practical way. So that just started two days ago and it's, it's going super well.
>> Oh, wow. Yeah. I'll put a link to that everybody if you want to pick up some, uh, Pam Gregory merchandise. You know, her, uh, her merch. [laughter] Do you have a, do you have a shirt that's saying like, I'm about to go on a panel?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, [laughter] I knew, I knew because I don't know if you heard the backstory to that. I was just in a video saying this, this, you know, is going to potentially turn into a ramble, or maybe I should call it a Pamble. And then a whole load of comments saying, we are the Pamblers. And I thought, that's just hilarious. So yeah, the t-shirts and hats saying, I'm a Pambler. I mean, I just had to do that because it's just so funny. So, and, you know, if you saw someone out in the street or at a big spiritual event, you know, wherever, in a park with something you recognized, you'd go up and you'd laugh and you'd hug and you'd make a friend, and who knows where that would go. It's really Aquarian energy of the network of connections. And so that feels good, too. That feels kind of right on time for the Aquarian energy. So, and it's great fun, you know, it's just fun and uplifting, and my goodness, we need some more fun and love and charity in the world. So, that's what I've been up to.
>> That's awesome. I love it. I'm 100% in agreement and I'm glad you're doing it. And I hope more people meet each other in real life that, uh, can bond over these things. I know I've had, uh, people who follow me, they meet each other at the crystal store, whatever. I'm [laughter] sure it's happened for your audience too.
>> Yes. So hopefully we're going to get more of this cross linkage. So again, thank you so much for joining. U I'm wishing you the best, Pam. Thank you for all, uh, everyone for watching. And again, all her info is in the video description, or if you already know Pam, you know what to do. But, uh, much love, everybody.
>> Yeah, love to you all. Thank you for listening. Bye for now. And big love to you too, Stefan. Thank you.