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Hello everyone, welcome to Project UPSC channel. Welcome to the Project UPSC podcast series. Today we are here with All India Ranker Aditya Srivastava ji. A very warm welcome to you. Thank you, Madam. You stand up for those children for whom no one else stands. On behalf of those children, I thank you very much and wish you a bright future. AIR Rank One, you can say that it is a dream for many people. Many children must be thinking about it. Every child who sits for the UPSC Civil Services Examination must have this dream in their eyes. But what is it like to achieve this achievement, and what change has it brought to your life after achieving it? We will learn all this from you. We specifically want to know what those small changes were in your study approach, behavior, studies, and daily routine. You will share all that with the children so that they can also bring changes in their lives. So, the first question I have is, could you please tell us a little about your study approach, or first, about your family background?
Yes, there are four people in my family. Basically, we live in a nuclear family: father, mother, me, and my younger sister. And the background is, as you say, a middle-class background because my father is in government service. He is an Assistant Audit Officer in the Indian Audit and Accounts Department. Okay, and my mother is a homemaker, and the rest of us, both children, were studying until now. So, this is our general background.
How was your schooling and college? How were your studies at that time? Was the Civil Services Examination on your mind even then?
My schooling was from Lucknow. It's City Montessori School. I did my college from IIT Kanpur. I did Electrical Engineering. And as far as Civil Services is concerned, I would say that it was on my mind for quite some time, like because of certain inspirations from my relatives. So, this inspiration was quite old, but I would say that I always wanted to become one. But after going to IIT and seeing the opportunities there, I changed my path a bit. The opportunities that were available to me, whether it was research as an M.Tech scholar or a job, like I worked at Goldman Sachs. So, after exploring all these opportunities, I again felt that now I should finally switch because of certain reasons.
So, what was that point? Like you mentioned that you worked at Goldman Sachs, which is a very big name in investment banking. After working there, what clicked that, "Okay, that was my dream, I need to go there," or "Why am I here?"
The main contemplation happened during the COVID time when I was working from home. That's when this thing clicked for me. The major reasons were that I had some seniors who were already in service, and during COVID time, the role of civil servants obviously expanded quite a bit. So, when I used to talk to them, I realized that the opportunities to work there, the people connect, and the diversity, and most importantly, the personality development that happens, so holistic and multi-dimensional because of the work profile, that attracted me a lot. I thought, "Yes, now I think this is the time that I should aspire for something which has more of a grass-root connect, leaving behind a kind of desk job."
This was your third attempt in which you got All India Rank One. What was the first approach, then the second approach, and then the third? What difference do you see, what changes did you bring in your study approach?
I would say, if compressed, my approach was one: to learn from my mistakes. Because three attempts mean I made quite a few mistakes. So, when I didn't clear the Prelims in the first attempt, I learned that Prelims is not just about hard work; you also have to do smart work there. You have to look at the statements of previous year questions, how UPSC frames wrong statements with which elements and correct statements with which elements. By identifying them and using them as heuristics. So, this was the difference between my first and second attempt. In the second attempt, although I got IPS, I was not very satisfied with my marks. So, individually, I approached people who scored at least 15 marks more than me. Since they were IPS officers, I had contacts. I approached them, discussed for half an hour each about what I was doing and what they were doing, what the differences were, and how to bridge them. So, in that way, I chalked out my strategy paper-wise, and then from there, I got a jump in marks, in Mains marks. So, that's how I chalked out the strategy.
Do you think someone guided you in chalking that out, to make you change your approach, or like you were looking at those who scored more, so you got guidance in this, or were you carrying this forward through self-analysis?
No, I would say it was more towards self-analysis. Because they were telling me what they did, and I knew what I did. So, I had to find that difference myself, how I could implement what they were doing extra. So, that entire strategy was my own. As for the extra help I took, like I have mentioned elsewhere, there was a Mains mentorship program by Sachin Arora Sir, which benefited me a lot because of answer writing. It's a free program. And then there was Piyush Sir, from whom I took guidance in Ethics. So, I definitely used these two sources from the perspective of answer writing. But the part of strategizing, that I definitely had to do myself.
This is a very big learning for any aspirant. Because many times, when we are preparing, children always start seeking outside. They want someone. But this insight of yours is very big: that we should analyze ourselves. When we are fighting the war ourselves, we should see what its approach should be. I would like to add one more thing to this: like the guidance you are seeking from outside will not give you that much granularity. You can only know yourself. They will tell you things that will work on average, but you will always have to make a very specific strategy yourself. For that, would you like to guide us on how to self-analyze? Are there some step-by-step things? What should we look at first? Should we bring changes to our routine, or should we change the way we approach our subjects? Like subject one first, then two, then three. And there are many ways to analyze previous years as well. So, what are those ways?
See, in the analysis of previous years, one important part is how much weightage is given to each subject, what type of questions are asked, and in what depth the questions are asked. This is generally done by people. What I did extra was, for example, I'll give you two examples. I already told you the Prelims example: how UPSC frames wrong and correct statements. I observed that there are quite set patterns when I looked at three years of papers. Similarly, in Mains, I noticed differences in the way of writing answers between me and others I spoke to. So, for example, let's say in 2022, there was a question, perhaps, "What are the potentials of Deccan Traps?" something like that was the question. So, what I did, being a science background student, was to write a to-the-point answer. So, I just mentioned what resources are found in Deccan Traps. The question asked about resource potential, but those I spoke to told me that in subjects related to arts, you have to give a little additional dimension. Even if you write one and a half pages on what was asked in the question, if you give two or three points in half a page about the challenges in extracting those resources, you might get half or one mark advantage in that answer. So, these are the new things I learned by talking to people. So, in this way, you should know how to tackle it, what strategy worked in that particular paper. For the top scorers of the last one or two years, I think that would be a good analysis to do.
Would you like to give some pattern-related insights to the children? Like in Prelims, which particular subjects can give you an edge, where should your focus be more? We can't prepare everything; the syllabus is vast. So, which subjects should we focus on, and on which subjects can we focus less and still move forward?
My personal approach in Prelims, specifically asking, was that Polity and Economy were predictable. Conceptual questions were expected there. So, if your concepts are clear, you have read the books properly, the basic books, then you would be able to make the most out of it. So, my aim there used to be to get at least 80-90% of the questions correct because of the predictability. Now, where there are unpredictable questions, like Science and Tech is a bit unpredictable, Environment is completely unpredictable. So, there, you cannot study much. There, you have to limit your sources and then use the heuristics, which I was talking about, how you can see through the statements whether it will be correct or wrong. So, this is generally my approach.
Since you mentioned Prelims, let's talk about CSAT. The CSAT paper is a big scare among aspirants, and those who are not from a mathematics background are very scared. Your background is in mathematics; you were in engineering, so it was easy for you. But since you have also been with aspirants, what should be the difference, or what should be our approach for CSAT so that we can qualify it easily?
Yes, my focus was different because I had confidence in math, so I focused on math first. But for those who are afraid of math, I would say they should identify scoring areas. There are very scoring areas. So, practice them; you can pull in sure-shot marks there. After that, the comprehension part, it's difficult to pull marks there because there is subjectivity. But still, you can get more than 50% of the questions correct if you attempt them. Keep math for the last. In math too, identify which are the dual portions. Questions related to identification and combination are not for everyone. So, that identification, identification, let's say I take my area of identification, like through practice, this happens. Now, if someone has good accuracy, they might achieve their target by attempting only 80 questions. Because the target is generally around 50 odd questions, if they are correct net, then the exam is qualified. The cutoff rarely goes above 100. So, that person, you know, identifying themselves.
So, when we talk about identifying our strengths, what should our approach be?
Generally, my approach, based on what I learned, is that one part will definitely be covering the syllabus, which includes making notes, and from there, your content will be prepared. Now, that content, the framework you have prepared in your notes, you then have to enrich that content with value addition and whatever else is said, whether it's names of commissions, examples, or data. That you then have to include in your notes within that framework. Then, once you memorize those notes by heart, because you don't have time to think in seven minutes while writing an answer, whatever you remember comes out. And the first recall is what comes out in the paper. You generally don't get time for a second recall. So, you have to mentally prepare it by heart. After that, it's all about practice. The more random questions you can practice, I used to believe that daily I have to write 10 to 15 questions. So, what I was telling you about MP, that's what helped me. There was a super notebook, so I used to write 10-15 questions daily, whether it took 70 minutes or 100 minutes, depending on whether it was a 10-mark question or a 15-mark question. So, with that regularity, your recall ability naturally increases. And then, when you analyze it, like what I wrote, and suppose someone else wrote, and if the best answer copies are also available, whether it's from a coaching or any other source, they bring out the best answer copies. So, now, what I wrote, what the other person wrote, what impressive points I found in it, I analyzed it, and I also included that in mine. So, in this way, it builds up over time. Within three months, I would say.
Between Prelims and Mains, what extra thing helped you in answer writing? Like you just talked about mentioning commissions, mentioning examples. So, where do these examples come from? Or what extra should we read? Would newspaper reading help us in writing the paper for Mains?
Newspaper reading is a very strategic topic. I didn't rely too much on newspapers because I used to prepare my content using the same work from ChatGPT or Google. As for examples, they will only come to mind, in my opinion, when you have written them in your notes and memorized them from the notes. So, this entire process is important. It's very difficult to bring them to mind suddenly. So, I would feel that it's more about the persistence and the hard work that you do over a long period of time than a few things done here and there in the end. According to you, it's the practice and the perseverance that pays at the end. Yes, yes.
So, let's say an aspirant goes to write Mains. What is the first thing? Will you create a mind map, a structure for the answer in your mind first, or will you just think over it and just start writing?
I would say you can give a maximum of 30 seconds to think about the question. There isn't more time than that. And this extra 30 seconds you are giving to the question, I feel it gives an advantage. Initially, you get five minutes to check if all the pages of the paper are printed and to read the question paper once. So, in that time, instead of reading all the questions, you can't do anything by reading 20 questions. So, I would focus on giving one minute each to the first five questions I have to attempt. I generally attempt one to five, then eleven to twenty, and then six to ten. So, for the first five questions, I would create a mind map at that time, what things I specifically need to write, and I would write them down on the question paper itself, in a single word. So, that I think gave me an edge at the start. Otherwise, it's all about thinking in 30 seconds and writing in six and a half minutes. Just keep doing that.
Okay. Usually, for every subject, whether it's GS-1, GS-2, all the subjects, many children know the names of many books, which are already known in the market. But because you are AIR One, an aspirant would want to know what different thing you read or what is the book list that you followed?
So, for Prelims, all my book lists were very standard. The extra element, I would say, was learning from my mistakes: what others are doing that I am not able to do. That was the extra element. And secondly, whether it's ChatGPT or standard books, you have to read those only, whether it's Laxmikanth, Spectrum. For Economics, I think I read some material from Sriram IAS, about 200-250 pages. Yes. And Economics, well, I had some background in it because of my job and all. Apart from that, for Geography, it's 11th-12th NCERTs. For Ancient and Medieval, it's old NCERTs. And I don't know, I might be forgetting something. I don't know. And then, for the rest, I picked up notes from some coaching. So, that will give you a framework. Everyone is writing the same thing, so you won't get marks for that. So, how to enrich that framework? For that, I used ChatGPT for value addition. What else can I write in this? What other examples can I add to this point? Thinking like that myself, and then those are your own notes, they are just your final bible, I would say.
So, like Geography or Ethics? Yes. There is a lot of confusion among children regarding these, especially Ethics. Where to learn what to read? Where to get case studies from?
So, for Ethics, I would say that one guidance I took from Piyush Sir was definitely important from an answer writing perspective. But when you talk about note-making, my perspective was that it should be multi-dimensional. Any answer of mine. So, for example, there are many keywords in it, like tolerance, or political neutralism. You can try to incorporate it. Suppose there is a value, what are its positives? If you have written five points, then try to have those five points in your notes from different perspectives. From a common man's perspective, from a bureaucrat's perspective, from someone working in a private company, from their perspective. Write one or two extra points from the bureaucrat's perspective, because a direct question might come from their perspective. Even if a direct question doesn't come from the other perspectives, then in this way, I structured and prepared my notes. Arguments are also important. Many times, we do that, in Ethics, we don't write arguments, we just write examples. You think you are writing arguments, but actually, it's not an argument, it's just an example. So, for that, the marks...
You will not get them either. Your argument should be solid, and to support it, you need examples. It is important to prepare your notes in this format, and also consider the negative side. What could be the negative sides if you become too tolerant? So, you will have to incorporate such things into your notes as well. After that, it's all about practice again. As you just mentioned about notes, for any aspirant, for example, if someone is starting their civil services examination journey, how should note-making be done so that it helps you in the long run? Meaning, from where you started note-making to where your journey is at its peak and you are about to give the exam, what will be that method of note-making? This was also a problem for me. I would say that I made my sociology notes so extensive that in the end, I found only 20-25% of them useful. So, this will definitely be a problem in the beginning, and I don't think there is any solution for it. Aspirants actually create another book while making notes. So, I want to know that approach, so that it just clicks for you, what you have read. Yes, according to me, there is no exact way for it because initially, you won't even know what things to make notes on. So, I would say that what the best you can do is to make your notes according to the phrases in your syllabus. Write down both their positive and negative sides, and based on what you feel from looking at previous year questions, that a question is being formed from it, make your notes by looking at both its positive and negative angles. And then add value to them because this will give you a skeleton, you will get examples, recent ones, so that a skeleton of your notes will be prepared. That's it. I made a lot of unnecessary notes, which are of no use. So much past information, like in my sociology notes, I had written a lot about all the books, all the religions, which is not used. So, you gradually understand this yourself with time and experience. The UPSC syllabus is very vast. In a way, your personality develops. But if I talk only from the exam perspective, what was the approach so that it stays in your long-term memory, you remember it? I would say that two things work here. One is revision and re-revision. The more you revise, like Laxmikant will seem like such a thick book to you, I must have read it 15-20 times easily. So, revision and re-revision are the most important things for retention. After that, how you can remember each line in each word is the next strategy. So, what I did was, I made separate notes for Prelims and Mains. For example, I didn't make notes for Prelims. So, what I used to do was, first I would underline in the book with a pencil, then in the next round, say with a pen, I started circling some words. Then, to make it even shorter, in the third round, I used a highlighter. So, later when I revise, I will only read the highlighted portion, and everything will come back to me automatically. So, this is the benefit of successive rounds. Similarly, for Mains, say I have 70 pages of notes. Now I compressed them into a smaller form, say 5-10 pages. I made notes from them. Then again, if I am writing from memory, or if I am writing again, and finally, for the exam, to take to the exam, say there are two hours in between, so that the entire syllabus can be revised, I used to make very short notes, like one word for every point, and even for examples, I wrote one word, like, this was that example, I will remember it. In this way, the entire GS syllabus was written in four pages. So, when you compress it like this, those things also become important in your memory, that one word brings back the entire sentence. So, that's how I believe you can remember. A question arose in my mind from what you said, that you said that during Prelims, your approach to note-making was this, and for Mains, it was a different approach. So, should a beginner prepare separately for Prelims and Mains, or should it be a comprehensive preparation by combining both? No, according to me, the preparation should be comprehensive. The thing that I feel is that you have to take Prelims like a sprint, from February till May, because that is the last time. Before that, your entire preparation should be according to Mains. The only difference is that in Prelims, you have to remember the exact facts, because you need to know exactly what is asked in the question paper. In Mains, it's more open-ended. If you don't remember a particular fact, you don't have to write it; you can write something else. You have to write six points, so any six points can be there, the stronger they are, the better. So, because of this, my approach was different: in Prelims, I had to read exactly from that book so that nothing was missed, and in Mains, if something was missed, it was not a problem. I just wanted my points to be strong, impactful, and sufficient in number, and rightly projected. Yes, because you are from an engineering background, your optional subject was obviously engineering, Electrical Engineering was your subject, so obviously, it would be strong. But for aspirants, a lot of time is spent just in choosing the optional subject, they are in a dilemma about what to take, what not to take, what is trending, or in their friend circle, because it will be combined study, so everyone takes this subject together. What is your opinion on how the choice of optional should be made as quickly as possible to stop wastage of time? I think two main things are important. One is your interest, because that will give you persistence, so that you can read the same thing repeatedly for a long time. And the second is your confidence, because if you don't have confidence, you will quickly start thinking that if I don't get marks in this, I should change the option. So, that causes more harm. According to me, these two things are important in any subject. If you feel these two things are present, then that is good enough for being considered as an optional. After that, it's up to everyone, depending on resources or depending on the peer group. For me, it wasn't like that because I had my own background in Electrical. So, I studied by ordering books myself. And there was no peer group at that time when I was starting. So, I used to sit alone in this room and study. So, I did not consider these two factors. I chose what I had a background in, performed well in college, so definitely I should take this. Since you mentioned that you used to study at home, I want to know what role your family played in your preparation, and since you were focusing only on self-study, how was the study in that one room systematized? What was the daily schedule? How did you manage? Yes, I would say the family's role was definitely very big in this entire preparation. Because everything from financials to whatever material I needed, I didn't have to do any household chores. I would just leave at my scheduled time, eat, and go back. So, all the maintenance outside the house was obviously done by my family. And regarding your question about the schedule, I would say that I had to give half and half time to GS and Optional. So, I used to start my studies from 7 AM. So, from 7 AM till lunch, I used to do all the GS work. That included what I told you, 70 minutes or 110 minutes of answer writing in the early morning, and the rest of the time was revision till lunch. Then after lunch, I used to pick up my Optional. So, say from around 1:30 PM till 9:00 PM was my Optional time. In that too, again, it was mostly about practice, because in Electrical, there is nothing to memorize, it's formulas and their implementation. Then, I used to keep the night time for one or two, one and a half hours, post-dinner. At this time, I would study things that I felt would give me trouble. So, most of the time, that used to go into Ethics. So, my schedule was designed like this. In between, I took some time for rejuvenation. I would say, I scrolled through reels sometimes, or I used to read about my actual hobbies, like dinosaurs, or I would say, about relationship dynamics, from a scientific perspective. So, if I got some time in between, I would look at those things too. So, generally, my day used to pass like this. I want to mention one thing that I realized after meeting you, that because you have achieved such a big rank, you are already an officer, an IPS officer, still you are very contented, you are very grounded. So, obviously, it is the way you mentioned that your family played a big role. Did your family have any role in this dream? Did they want it? It's totally yours. Yes, I would say, first of all, thank you for the kind words. And after that, I would say that the family's role is definitely there. Because I have been hearing these things since childhood. Obviously, in the UP-Bihar region, even blessings are like that, "Become a collector." So, I have been hearing these things since I was not even aware, like even before I can recall. So, definitely, there is a family role, and there always was. But the conscious decision that now I should go in this direction was definitely my own, like in the last phase. But initially, since childhood, that thing was taught to me, instilled in me. You just mentioned your daily schedule, saying that from 7 AM till lunch you studied GS, then you studied Optional. You mostly mentioned study time, but obviously, you are young, you can get distracted. You are in a room all day, focused on one thing or on studies. So, what used to motivate you and inspire you to study in a projected way? Because usually, when aspirants are in this journey, or any child starts studying, because the attention span is gradually decreasing, children cannot sit and study. But what, as an AI, I can see the difference is that your persistence is very long. So, what motivated you? I would say that my motivation was entirely internal. Because the feeling was that this has to be done, so it has to be done. That kind of feeling. Because I had left quite a few things to do this preparation. Like I had a good package in a good company, and I could have done much more than just what I had begun with. So, that motivation was definitely internal. Otherwise, setbacks definitely came. As I said, the first Prelims didn't even clear. At that time, the family's role was quite important to motivate you again, saying, "It's okay, it was the first time, it happens." And after that, it's about learning from your mistakes. That is the best you can do. Because if you just sit there thinking, "Now it won't happen," then that is also not good. And I would say that the exact reason for motivation, I cannot tell. It was mostly internal. Anyway, usually, motivation should be intrinsic. But I want to know those small changes, like some people put up quotes around their study table that remind them, or you adore someone, so there are their photographs. So, do you think these things play a role? That would again depend on the personality. If someone gets motivation by looking at something, then those things can work. But in my personal case, it wasn't like that. In my personal case, everything was driven internally. That if I am into something, then I want to excel at it. So, in my case, there was nothing like that. Just books were scattered on my table. What I can understand is that it is in your upbringing, that your personality is like this. We talked about personality. Interviews are again a very big word and like a ghost for aspirants. What is the preparation or approach for it? I think you cannot prepare exactly in a short time. What used to happen with me was that once I got into this journey, I always kept the interview in the back of my mind. So, that self-reflection, that if I am asked this, what will I reply? Like in free time, even while brushing, those things used to run in my mind somewhere, that if I am asked this, how will I answer it? Yes, and I focused a lot on the choice of words. I paid a lot of attention to the choice of words, so that I don't give any loophole. If I used a wrong word, then obviously from there, I can be grilled. "This particular word should not have been used in this place. Now you have used it, so there will be cross-questions." So, I paid special attention to these two things. And when the actual interview came, then I had a relative, Nana Ji, who was an IAS officer from older batches. So, he guided me a lot. So, I used to send him my videos, the mock interviews for the IPS interview. So, he used to tell me my flaws and what I could do, how I could answer. So, mock interviews help. This is also a different dimension, according to me. Because I will tell you from my two interviews, the one for IPS, through which I got into IPS. Yes. In that, I must have given 13-14 mocks easily. So, there my marks were also not good, and I feel a big reason why that happened is because I had become too robotic, giving too many interviews. So, I had the answer to every question. So, that genuineness was not visible, that I was genuinely answering from within. This time, what difference did I make? Because of the IPS training itself, I couldn't give mocks. So, I gave just one mock, and after that, I directly sat in the panel. So, my answers were being formed on the spot. So, it was also visible that yes, I am thinking and forming them. The modulation of my voice was also like that. Earlier, it was completely flat. So, those differences automatically come. So, I would say that mocks may help, but don't overdo it, so that that genuineness remains. This is a very genuine insight. Because I feel from your answers that when it's not overdone, the self is reflected there. And that's why you actually had the interview experience. If you could share that a little, because children have mock interviews to watch, and they are a bit terrifying. From what I have spoken to other IAS officers, they say the actual interview session is much easier than mocks. So, shed some light on that. So, that's what I want to say. The mocks are made from a particular perspective, because there is also an element of marketing involved in it. In the actual interview, this perspective is not there at all. So, some basic differences you will see. First of all, it is much more cordial. And secondly, the panel is almost expressionless, a poker face, so you cannot tell by looking at their faces whether the answer you gave was satisfactory or not. As far as grilling is concerned, according to me, there is no grilling. But yes, they definitely ask you questions and cross-questions to test whether you stand your ground or not, and to test your presence of mind. For example, if I can tell you a couple of questions, one question was asked to me out of nowhere: "Do you believe in ghosts?" Now, this is a question for which no one can prepare. And it takes you completely by surprise. So, that is entirely meant to check your presence of mind. And similarly, cross-questions are also like this. For example, in this latest interview, I was asked: "What are the qualities that an IAS officer should have?" So, I told three of the cardinal values that an IAS officer should have. Now, the cross-question came: "According to you, is creativity not important?" So, this was again a cross-question that was testing whether you stand your ground or not. Because creativity is important, right? So, now you have to prepare an answer on the spot, how you can not leave your ground and incorporate what they said into your communication skills and on-the-spot thinking. So, what did you answer to both those questions? Okay, so in the creativity one, like obviously, I also realized that this is important. So, I said, "Sir, I believe that every person has intrinsic creativity, irrespective of their value system. But if we set the value system right, then that creativity can be harnessed for the larger good or for the betterment of society." So, I basically covered both elements there, their point and my point. Regarding ghosts, obviously, there was a trap for me there, which I understood. I am from a science background, I should not believe in superstitions. But because I was taken by surprise, I said, "Yes, because that is my actual belief." Now, when they asked why, to defend it, I said, "Sir, I believe in God, who is the positive energy that guides us through life. And we have seen in science where there is a positive, a negative also exists. And so, I believe in negative energy or ghosts." So, there too, I was able to avoid the trap and give my answer. So, that was the only moment when the poker face changed into a smile, and they said, "Clever answer." Clever answers are expected there. You achieved IPS in your second attempt. IPS is obviously a glamorous job, there is a lot of glamour, you get a good position, you have many domains to work in. Still, why did you pursue IAS? There were two important things. First, the goal was always IAS. So, that is a smaller component, but that was a drive. The larger component was that my goals, because of which I finally decided this, whether it was diversity of work, or people connect, or holistic personality development, all of those are more in IAS, because of the work opportunities and the diversity that the job offers. So, because of this, there was definitely a decision that I will not be able to give the attempt during IPS training. This is my last chance before training begins. So, therefore, I went all in, saying, "Now, this is it, let's take it. Whatever God wills, wherever it takes me, it's fine." Now, let's give momentum to this program, and at the very end, I would like a small message from you for those children of Project UPSC who have big dreams but lack resources. So, definitely, I would like to tell those children that many people have a lack of resources, but how you can work and function within those limited resources is the most important thing. If you have parental support, or anyone's support, that they will support you throughout the journey, be it financially or academically, then definitely you can go for it, you can do it. You just need to have that motivation from within, that fire that I have to achieve something, or I have to achieve excellence in this particular field. If you have that self-motivation, and you have someone who has their hand on your head, then I would say you can definitely do it. Because despite not having many resources, I also prepared by staying at home and with the support of my parents. So, I feel that it is definitely doable, and you should go for it. So, as we discussed Project UPSC, what is your thinking about Project UPSC as a project? I would say, from whatever I have learned from you, that it is definitely a very good initiative, especially for helping those who are at the margins and who perhaps do not have enough resources to afford coaching, or to buy expensive books, or whatever. So, I think from that perspective, as I said, if someone has their hand on your head, there is some support, then I think it is definitely an important support system. Otherwise, it definitely depends on the student, what is their inner drive, and how much they want from within to achieve this exam. Yes, thank you very much. So, with that inner zeal that you talked about, on behalf of all those children who are watching you, who will learn something from you today through your conversation, I thank you very much on their behalf and wish that when you assume the post of an officer, you will further the work for the welfare of the country. May the value of your small signature increase so much, and may you give such a direction to this country that brings about big changes in this country. I wish for that. Thank you all very much. A small request to all of you: listen to this conversation, this podcast, share it with people, like it, and give your insights in the comments about what you want to know, what you want to hear. If you have any questions in your mind, whom you want to hear, then please tell us. We will definitely meet you again in a new podcast. Thank you, and greetings to all. Jai Hind.