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Happy New Year everyone. Great to have you here on our stream today. My name is Ryan and this is needed.net. Hopefully you've had a lovely New Year's Day today or that might have been yesterday for you guys depending on where you are in the world. And hopefully you've thought about maybe how you want to be more Christlike this year. Maybe you've thought of some resolutions of how you can be more like Jesus, get into some good habits, or maybe get rid of some bad distractions that have been in your life. But let's get the team that's here to say hello to you.

So, it's a hi there from Ryan.

>> Yes. Hello from Paul and happy new year. Smash the like button.

>> Happy New Year from Jamie. Make sure you read your Bible today. Hello from Edson.

>> Hey y'all. Happy new year from Spencer.

>> And Harmony is has landed back in the US and so she will be she said she'll be late to today's stream. But yes, she has gone from Australia. Now she's in the US. Thank you for praying for if you're praying for her travels. Um we can praise the Lord that she arrives safely. And thank you guys for everyone who's here in the chat who's saying happy new year to us. Really appreciate that. So good. It's great to start the new year off with you guys. E.

All right, let's get Paul to pray for us.

>> Yes. Thank you, gracious heavenly father. We thank you as we come into a brand new year. Uh we pray that um you bless us with um yeah many conversations that we can have with other people to bring them to your truth. That you bless our lives in general. But Lord, um please um help us stay focused on who you are and what you've done for us. And um let us always be thankful for what Jesus has done for us on the cross that he's died for us and that we can have eternity with you in heaven. Um and we're so thankful for that, Lord. We cannot repay that gift. And um we thank you mightily for that. Uh Lord, we thank you for the team today. We we ask and pray that you give us more laborers as the day proceeds if it's in your will. And please help us with our conversations also. Lord, give us the words to speak and uh we pray for those people watching online now are encouraged as well and they can learn more stuff and um yeah be satisfied with your truth and ask questions if they need to Lord. But we thank you for all this. We thank you for the technology. We thank you for everything. We pray this in Jesus name. Amen.

>> Amen. Thank you for that. And yes, thank you guys for praying for our New Year's Eve outreach. It was great. It was like fish were just like waiting around and it's just like just need to throw a lure in like just people just gathering around not sure what to just waiting till midnight and so therefore just go hey can I ask you a question and then so many great conversations were had so thank you guys for praying for that we mentioned that on our last stream and may God save those who got to hear the gospel okay well let's now get into your questions Questions welcome. Bring them near. Bring them near. We'll share God's word. Make it clear. Make it clear. Check it with the Bible. Your chapter and verse. It's a Q&A. The pages of scripture will traverse.

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>> And I just noticed that Phil's popped in. Hey, Phil. Can you say hi to everyone?

>> Yeah. Hey, Ryan. Happy New Year.

>> Hey. Yes, Happy New Year too. Good to have you here, Phil.

>> Can you hear me?

>> And hope hope you been enjoying your holiday.

>> Whereabouts are you in the world?

>> Oh, these are his connections. That's all good. Yeah. I was just saying which part of the world are you in right now if you can hear me? Maybe there's a bit of lag there.

>> How about now? Ryan, can you hear me now?

>> Yes, I can hear you now. Yeah. So, yeah, I was just saying whereabouts are you in the world?

>> Yeah, I'm in Japan at the moment. We're here for a family holiday.

>> Wow. Japan. Very cool. Very cool, man. Hopefully enjoying your time there. So great.

>> It's snowing right now. So,

>> hey, that's awesome. Yeah, maybe for those in the chat, let us know. Is it snowing or is it snow on the ground where you are in your part of the world? Love to hear that. I'll tell you this. Um, but here in Australia, at least where we are, no snow, middle of summer, very hot, but maybe there is in your part of the world. But thank you, Phil. Appreciate you coming up there, bro. Uh, let's have a look. Not yet. Dell says, "Yeah, he's in Japan." That's very cool. No snow in Florida. Don't think it really does, does it? There. But here we go. For Steve in Canada, it is snowing currently. Very cool. No snow in the Netherlands. Someone saying lots of snow um where Brad is and he said they've lost their power for 3 days. Oh no, that would be hard. They lose power in the cold as well. It snowed in New Jersey. No snow in Hawaii. No snow in Texas. Someone's saying here. But it is snowing in MA, USA. What's MA? What state abbreviation is that? Um, maybe you can let us know. Freezing in Calgary. Okay, there you go. It's great to see what the weather's like in different parts of the world. Okay, let's So, is it snowing in Australia? No, definitely not. And particularly not during the middle of summer. It's summer for us right here. Oh, snowing in southwest Germany. Ah, that's Massachusetts. Thank you, math boy. Appreciate that.

Okay, this one from the fish to start us off. He says, "Hey Ryan, what's your thoughts on Kent Hovind? George Jenko had an interview with him a month ago. Are his seminars good? His theology? I don't get his obsession with the KJV though, especially his argument that we should throw away the new Bibles." O because Genesis 1 says heavens instead of heaven like in the KJV.

Um, so I personally am not a big fan of Ken Hovind just because one of his issues that he's get caught himself up in with his like the tax fraud that he was had to go to prison for. It reminds me of in 1 Corinthians chapter 9, Paul says that he disciplines his body and brings it into subjection lest after preaching to others he himself would be disqualified. Now that disqualified is not disqualified for salvation because you can't lose salvation if your faith is in Christ. But it would be disqualified for ministry as in you lose ministry effectiveness if you are giving into um sin potentially like public reproach. It could have been bringing public reproach upon your ministry like we saw that with Steve Lawson where a lot of people respected him and listened to a lot of his content but as a result of his behavior in recent years we see that now his sermons people don't really listen to him as much. What happened? He's lost his ministry effectiveness there. And I think that's the same thing with Ken Hovind with the um the attitude that he had there in regards to um but yeah, I don't know obviously the full details. The Lord knows it. But still his attitude of um in regard in relation to government there I think hasn't been helpful. Um but yeah, his his ideas on destroying or like modern translations I think is really unhelpful. Now, may he say some things that are helpful in regards to creation, which is his focus? Sure, he may have some good arguments. I haven't I've listened to some, but not extensively of what he said. Uh but yeah, obviously we know creation is true that God did make the world in six days. And so, um, he may have some good arguments there, but I just think I personally don't recommend it because of the reproach that's against his, um, behavior and issues with his wives and things like that and divorces that he's been going through.

All right, next question from She Allen, who's asked, "What is the Holy Spirit's conviction like?"

Okay. So, it does say in John's gospel here, let's bring it up. John 16:8, it tells us that when he comes, which is talking about the Holy Spirit, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment. Concerning sin, because they do not believe in me. Concerning righteousness, because I go to the father and you'll see me no longer. Concerning judgment because the ruler of this world is judged. So we see that the Holy Spirit convicts particularly unbelievers here. Convicts unbelievers of their lack of faith in Christ. That's what this passage is talking about. Now for us as Christians, um the Holy Spirit could be pricking our conscience as well in regards to different sins that we may be getting involved in. And so, yeah, I think um it don't in terms of like is this the Holy Spirit convicting me or not, it it could be hard to tell whether it's specifically the Holy Spirit convicting you or whether it's just that God-given conscience you have convicting you. Either way, the Holy Spirit may just use your conscience as the means to convict you of sins that you may be getting involved in. Either the way the point is is just if you think that something is wrong, obviously check to see in scripture whether it actually is wrong because maybe your conscience could be wrongly convicting you and you can readjust it, recalibrate your conscience so it's aligning itself with God's word. But if it is in scripture that that action is wrong that you're being convicted of then see that as a warning sign. It's it's like your what the car engine light, you know, when that light goes on or the running low of fuel light. If you just keep ignoring it, eventually there's going to be some big consequences. You know, you just keep ignoring that light, you to get so used to it and you won't even realize it's on anymore. And so that's the same thing. If you just keep ignoring your conscience, doing going opposite to what your conscience is telling you to do, then therefore it's like searing your conscience and it won't It's basically going to desensitize it so you won't it won't even alarm you when you're doing certain things anymore.

All right, this one from Christ declared. Do you think evangelizing on video games online such as virtual reality chats are just as beneficial as evangelizing in person or on webcam?

Yeah, any and every means to preach the gospel. Whether it be in-person chats, whether it be handing out gospel tracks to people, whether it be uh going on to monkey, whether it be going on to video games and or leaving comments places, interacting with people in the YouTube comment section, whatever it is, there are all these different means that you can use to go and preach Jesus Christ. So, I think all of those means can be beneficial is what I'd say. Now you may have preferences as to like for me personally um if I had an option of like witnessing to someone in text or witnessing to someone verbally I would probably prefer verbally just cuz then they can hear my tone of voice as I share. Um and it's a lot easier to talk than to write but any and every means to get the gospel out. Use those means

this one from Jean. Do you need to be baptized to be saved?

Do you need to be baptized to be saved? Well, water baptism is a great act of obedience that we should do for God. He commands it. He wants us to do it just like he wants us to share the gospel and give to the poor. But none of those things are requirements to go to heaven. Because if you think that sharing the gospel given to the poor or getting baptized are requirements for salvation, you're relying on your own works, your own acts of obedience to get you to heaven rather than relying on Christ. And so you won't be saved if you think it is a requirement for salvation. You got to put your rest and trust in Jesus and Jesus alone.

There was super chat that came in from DMP. Thank you so much for your super chat today. But all flesh is like grass and all the glory like a flower of grass. The grass withers and the flower falls but the word of the Lord remains forever. And this word is the good news that was preached to you.

>> All right. Should we as Christians be concerned about the environment like global warming for example?

I would say it doesn't need to be our our primary concern. Like could somebody um see it as some sort of concern in their life? Maybe. And like as in there's no need to be reckless with this universe and just aim to destroy everything just because you want to. No, let's be good stewards of this universe as we saw Adam was to tend the garden. We should be good stewards of this of this universe. But that doesn't mean then um being so anxious and worried and oh no the the earth is going to the Apollo ice caps are all going to melt. We're all going to die. We shouldn't be thinking that. We shouldn't be going to an alarmist view. We should be like hey this world will eventually get burnt up. We know that. So this is not permanent. This is temporary. This earth doesn't mean that we want to do be reckless. But we also have the promise given to us by God himself in the end of the flood after gen in the end of Genesis 8 after the flood happened. It says here in verse 22 it's a promise from God while the earth remains sea time and harvest cold and heat summer and winter day and night shall not cease. So what have we got to be anxious about? Nothing, right? We don't have to be alarmist like all these people thinking, "Oh, we only got 10 years left before Earth is going to be unlivable. They're just they're just being anxious about unnecessary things." We have the promise from God here. But yes, as I mentioned, we can still be good stewards of his universe and uh not unnecessarily um do harm to the animals or wipe out every tree that's on the earth. wouldn't be helpful or being a good steward that of this earth.

Dan, thank you for sending in your super chat for us. God bless you, brother. Nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Dan says, "Hey Ryan, what are your thoughts on 1 John 5:7 through8? Happy New Year."

Yes, happy new year to you as well. Thanks for being here. So, 1 John 5:7 has six words in it. It says, "For there are three that testify." Uh, if you look at the KJV, they have like an extra whole sentence here. This is the KJV. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. But that's not found in any Greek manuscript prior to I think it's like the 12th or 11th century. And so, it's clearly not written by John. This is what John said for the three that testify in this verse. And then verse 8, the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three agree. So your question is probably what does this mean? Three that bear uh w record or bear witness. The water of the spirit, the water, and the blood. What are those three things? And he doesn't tell us. So this is kind of just what we're having to maybe speculate or reasonably interpret. What is he talking about here? So then the spirit is obviously the Holy Spirit who would then kind of testify to Christ and and he's given scripture. Scripture is God breathed by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The water this has been interpreted and so so basically the spirit bears witness to Christ. Remember how the spirit came down in the form of a dove and rested upon him. Spirit points to Christ. the water. Many people would interpret this to refer to maybe Jesus' baptism there as another vindication that look the father said this is my beloved son with whom I'm well pleased. This is a vindication that Jesus here is the one that we've been waiting for. He is the Messiah. Look at what the father said. Look what the spirit did. And then blood would refer to Christ's death. When what do you see happening at Christ's death? You see first of all these cosmic signs happening. the earthquake temple, the curtain being torn into, the dead saints being raised back to life from the dead, and you know him uh basically atoning for sins. And all this is a verification of this is somebody who we should be trusting in. He we have these three things bearing witness to Jesus. The spirit, the Holy Spirit, Jesus' baptism, which is when the father spoke, and the things that happened at the cross with Christ. So that's how I think it's been interpreted in the past and I think that's pretty reasonable that interpretation. Thank you for that one.

This one from Brick who said, "Is it bad to believe that me rejecting sin and my old life and turning to the Lord Jesus as my basis for salvation?"

Is it bad to believe that me rejecting sin and my old life and turning to the Lord Jesus is the basis for my salvation? Is that bad? Well, the ultimate basis of your salvation is Christ's sacrifice, his perfect atonement work on the cross. Now you as a result of or how you accept that free gift is you do change your mind from rejecting Jesus to now trusting in him that he has taken the punishment for you. But just remember the basis of your salvation is Jesus. Nothing about you. Now the means of accepting the gift of Jesus sacrifice is by faith. But what's the basis of your salvation? What's the ground of it? It's Jesus, his perfect sacrifice. Um you know how cuz when we ask people what would you say to God if God asked you why I shall let you into heaven? And if people say cuz I turned from my sin cuz I did this. They're pointing to the wrong thing. And so they're making the basis of their acceptance into into heaven themselves rather than because Jesus because he died on the cross for me.

Denine says, "Who do you think are the hardest to reach with the gospel?"

For me, it's those who say they used to be Christians but are now atheists. They really seem to hate God. That's true. They are some of the hardest. I'd say Muslims are pretty difficult to reach for Jesus just because they're so ingrained in their religion and they just often can't think critically. They can't think objectively about it. They're just like, well, my religion says this, my religion says that, but rather than why do you think that's true? Like I love gender Muslims. I love I love them as people. I want them to be saved, but they are definitely a difficult bunch. I'd say yeah, maybe those who are so-called formerly Christians now atheists, they can be very hostile to God and so they often don't even want to talk about God. They're just so against it. Um, but I find maybe who what's even harder than those people Denine are the people who just don't care. The people who do not care at all about God's existence, whether God exists or not. They don't go they don't even say that he doesn't exist. They just don't care if he does or not. Well, they don't care about the after. They don't care about, you know, where they're going to spend eternity. I find that they're very difficult people to chat to. Um, because you can try and show them like, no, I don't want to talk about this. I don't care less about the subject because at least if you've got a hard-hearted atheist, they may be willing to talk to you about this and you can maybe potentially reason with them, show some flaws in their in their thinking. But with someone who's just so apathetic to it, they don't even give you an opportunity to talk about it. they just want to not, you know, go and do something else. Um, yeah, I I love speaking to in terms of who's the easiest to speak to, those who have no religious background at all. And so therefore, they haven't been inoculated against uh religion or Christianity. They are some of the easiest. And so you just got like a clean slate that you can just go and share the good news, share the law and the gospel with them. but also Roman Catholics I find are really good to talk to um uh particularly not not the ones who necessarily are Catholic converts but those who've been raised Catholic they're usually I find much more open to understand the gospel compared to say Catholic converts who have been quite ingrained in um their religious system and so that's why I love when we go to the Philippines which we're going there in about a month's time actually for our mission trip. It's only about a month today. And um yeah, I love speaking to the people there because they already believe God exists and so they're predominantly you raised Roman Catholic. They believe God exists. They think the way to heavens by being a good person. And so it's just pretty simple to just go through law and gospel with them. Show them their sin. Talk about Jesus. And they don't have the objection of, oh, what about, you know, going to confession? What about this? Cuz they haven't really so much been ingrained in that as much. They're just thinking it's being good is the way they're there. And you can show them how that doesn't work logically. Yeah. I wonder what you guys think. Are there any people who you find easy or hard to share the gospel with? Let us know in the chat.

All right, This one from DMP. Thank you for sending in your super chat for us again. >> The deliverer will come from Z. He will banish ungodliness from Jacob and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.

Oh yeah. Um so sign of grace says maybe old people. That's true. Old people are actually very hard to talk to sometimes cuz they're just like I'm stuck in my ways Sunny, you know, and they want to talk about it or it's very hard to particularly go through the law with them. Have you ever done this? Have you done this? they just like get defensive or offended and okay that's enough that's enough I don't want to talk about this um so they can be quite difficult that's true says kids sometimes if they're with their parents it can be hard because the parents like dragging them away but if they're not I find kids are actually great to chat to about the gospel yeah um so DMP though said how to replace the joy of sinning to the joy of serving God.

Okay. So, just think about the joy that you might get from sin is incredibly fleeting. And what do you feel after? You feel terrible. You feel great great conviction. You feel like that wasn't worth it. After serving God, do you ever feel like that wasn't worth it? That was a waste. I shouldn't have done that. No. You do feel that way with sin, but you don't feel that way serving God. And so see that there's a difference between maybe a bit of happiness and deeprooted joy. So sin may give somebody a brief moment of happiness, but doesn't give any lasting joy. In fact, it actually makes people feel unsatisfied at the end of it because you have to keep doing it again and again to get the next high, the next kick, the next moment of joy or happiness. compared to with with what we have in Christ is that we have a deep rooted joy in Jesus. We know that he is our life and he's going to one day come back and take us to be with him. But as we serve God, that is also joyful. And so just keep on serving God knowing that you're storing up treasures in heaven. You're having an eternal impact on people as maybe you're sharing the gospel or helping out your fellow Christian and you're making friends for eternity as Luke uh 16 talks about there. Verse 9. Um, yeah. I just think think about those things and think, okay, I either have an option now of serving Christ or doing something that honors him or dishonors him. What would I prefer? Clearly honoring him. So, if there's anything that's tempting me to dishonor him right now, get it off your mind. Get it away from you. Cut your hand off, so to speak. Not literally. Not literally, but cut out whatever's tempting you to sin. you know, maybe the friends you're hanging out with, the apps you're using, the technology you might be using. Get rid of it for the moment. If that's tempting you to send, go do something else. That would be my encouragement. But then have a to-do list. Have okay, this is what I'm planning to do for the next half an hour or the next two hours. And so then you're not feeling like you're not sure what to do. And then you feel tempted to sin. Um, that is a strategy I could encourage for you. Appreciate that question.

This one from Justin. What does it mean to be born again?

If this is something that God does entirely by his spirit and in his own will, what can one do? Pray and read scripture. Just like your first birth, did you make the first birth happen to you? Like when you're physically born? No. It happened to you and so is your second birth. You can't plan it. You can't plan when you're going to get born again. It just happens by God's spirit. But knowing that doesn't mean you sit back and say, "Well, if God wants me to be born again, I'll be born again." It doesn't work that way because from your perspective, you are commanded to believe the gospel. And so therefore, if you hear the gospel, don't say, "Well, if God wants me to believe it, he'll make me believe it." No, you say, "Well, I'm going to choose to believe that he's Jesus paid for my sin, so I'm going to heaven." And if you choose to believe, that's the evidence you have been born again. Right? So don't mistake God's sovereignty as therefore, okay, I'll sit back now and wait for it to happen to me. No, because God uses means to accomplish his ends. And you believe in the gospel is the evidence that he has regenerated your heart.

Superjack come in from Mark. Thank you, Mark. Mark said this. Lily Phillips got baptized. Yeah, Paul just mentioned that before the stream or some some of the team members. That's really interesting. So, for those wondering, I got to share the gospel with I got to share a bit of the Christian message with her um in November during our schoolies outreach when she came to Australia. But she was very much not believing in God, not believe in heaven, hell. She believes like an asteroid created the universe and really strange ideas. An asteroid hit the earth and that made the universe. What? What? How can an asteroid hit the Earth and that make the universe? I'm not sure she thought that through, but maybe as a result of that video and that conversation, she was thinking through. I'm like, that's not logical. Maybe. Or she's just doing it for for just like publicity. I don't know. I haven't thoroughly looked into this. I'm not sure if she's made any public comments on this and what her understanding of the gospel is. Um, but don't be don't be thinking necessarily, okay, this is genuine that she's actually got saved. Hopefully, she did, but at the same time, some of these um people who are in that sort of industry do these sort of things for publicity and clout and stuff like that. So, I don't know, pray for her. That'd be my encouragement. Pray for her that God does save her and she comes to understand the good news of Jesus.

Denine says, "Sounds like publicity." Maybe, maybe. Well, the Lord can save anyone. The Lord say, The Lord saved me. The Lord saved the Apostle Paul. The Lord saved you. If he can do that, he can save anyone. Uh but yeah, it's interesting like people go straight to like baptism and and many people say, "Oh, baptism, that's salvation." Because like they hear that in the Orthodox or Catholic churches, oh, if you got baptized, you're saved. No, that's not how you're saved. We want to hear what what is she professing to believe now? What is her hope in? What is she relying upon to get her to heaven? Hopefully, if she is genuine, she'll come out with statements saying, "Look, I'm now trusting in Christ alone, not my works." But we'll find out. Wasn't she arrested or something? I don't think that was her. I think that was Bonnie Blue in Bali. Um, all right.

Next one from Beach who says, "If no one can come to faith in Christ without the father first drawing them, does God draw everyone or only certain people?"

God doesn't draw everyone because otherwise everyone would be saved. Right? If you have a look at John 6:37, all that the father gives me will come to me. So does the father give everyone to Jesus? No. But for those whom he does, they do come to him. and whoever comes to him I will never cast out. It mentions in verse 65 this is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the father. So the father has to grant to people to come to him in faith. And this is in the back of Jesus saying that there are some of you who do not believe. See that? So clearly there are some people who Jesus was interacting with who had not been granted to come to Jesus and uh hence that's why they are not believing. Now when it talks about later on in John's gospel when I when the son of man is lifted up he'll draw all men to himself all people to himself in that context there is clearly referring to uh you can either interpret two ways either it's all kinds of people so both Jew and Gentile or it can just be referring to at his crucifixion his crucifixion was not a quiet in you know in a back room event it was a public execution just outside the city walls Jerusalem and lots of people seeing him wagging their heads at him and those sort of things and so so thus drawing people to him seeing this spectacle.

This one from Jen Soul, have you ever cried when you read the Bible in what verse?

I'm not sure. I can't remember specifically if I've cried uh at reading a particular Bible verse, but there are so many good verses that I love and it's good to store up God's word in your heart. One that I really stands out to me is Romans 5:6. For while we were still weak, at the right time, Christ died for the ungodly. I spoke to that was it Coptic Orthodox two days ago and he wanted to think that, you know, I brought up the passage that Christ died once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous. And he's like, "Oh, the righteous is us." And that we're dying for non-Christians. Which is clearly not what it's saying. Christ is the righteous. We're the unrighteous. I thought this verse is a really good one that also refutes that man's point. While we were still weak, at the right time, Christ died for the ungodly. Notice who he's dying for. Not the righteous ones. He's dying for the ungodly ones, the ones who have done much evil. Verse eight is a good one as well. But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. not while we're righteous. Christ died for us while we're sinners. So, yeah, that's probably some of my favorite verses there.

Next one. Okay, this one from MF who says, "Hi, could you please explain to me what Jesus meant in Matthew 9:19 when Peter asked why we fast often?"

Okay, let's have a look. And Jesus rose and followed with his disciples. Uh I don't know if that's actually what you were thinking of. Uh it's a bit earlier on I think you meant to say in verse 15 uh 14 question about fasting. Then the disciples of John came to him saying why do we and the Pharisees fast but your disciples do not fast. So John's disciples John the Baptist disciples fast and so do the Pharisees. They would fast quite regularly but Jesus' disciples didn't. And Jesus' point is, can the wedding guest mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? No. If you got the bridegroom with you, you don't, it's not time for you to fast. It's time for you to feast and celebrate because the bridegroom's with you. But then it says, "The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast, and no one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the tachars away from the garment, and a worse tear is made." So, this is talking about you don't take some of these new covenant principles and smash them into the old covenant system and say that we got the old covenant still and the new covenant. No, the new covenant replaces or supersedes, you might say, the old covenant. The old covenant, it says in Hebrews, has become obsolete, passed away, and now we have the new covenant established in Christ's blood. So then uh so the question is so why didn't the disciples fast? Well, they're not going to fast when Jesus is there. Now they did fast when he was taken away. When they were like, "Oh no, he's been crucified." And they were fasting during that time. Uh but they're not going to fast while Jesus is there.

This one from Jasmine. I know all foods are clean, but a lot of food we consume today may have chemicals in them. Is it a sin to consume them?

Nope. It's not a sin to consume them. Obviously, don't violate your conscience. That's the principle that it mentions in Romans 14:14 where Paul says, "I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean." So, if your conscience is telling you you shouldn't, then you then maybe you shouldn't. But at the same time, I think it's unhelpful for Christians to get so worried about the cons food that they consume. Sure, there can be wisdom in like making sure you have a healthy diet. Great. That's fine. But I think people sometimes go overboard and be like, "Okay, it's like straining out of that, so to speak." It's I need to make sure that there's no ill harm effect that could ever happen. So therefore, like they some people they don't eat meat because of that or they don't eat certain vegetables because of that. And I'm like, let's be less, personally, my opinion is I think be less worried about those sort of things knowing that this body is temporary. You can't take it with you. Even if you ate the the perfect food, you grew your own food cuz you're worried about everyone else's food, you're still going to die one day. So, be less, nothing wrong with growing your own food. That's fine. But just be less focused on, oh no, this could kill me, that could kill me. And then you don't you know it reminds me of the proverb there's a lion outside I'm going to be killed in the streets is what the sluggard says right so sometimes fear will prevent people from just kind of be able to do normal things like go outside or just go to the supermarket and buy some food and therefore that their life and time is consumed with trying to make sure that they have the perfect food and so therefore what have they got less time to serve Jesus. So, just don't go overboard on that is what I'd say. I'd really encourage you to say, "Okay, there's priorities and we all only have a certain amount of time in our life." And so, let's maximize things that have eternal value and not spend as much time on things that have minimal value would just be a suggestion.

All right. Next one. Okay. All right. here from this one from Burger. Can we do things that are not in God's will and come back to walking in his ways?

We can definitely do things that go against God's revealed will like God tells us that we should not lie. We shouldn't lust. We shouldn't swear. We shouldn't do these sinful things and yet we do them. And so we can definitely people definitely do things against God's revealed will. But that's why it's important to see there's a distinction between God's revealed will and his sovereign will. Sovereign will refers to what actually transpires, what truly happens. Revealed will is just what he says how we ought to live. Because we know in Psalm 135:6, whatever the Lord pleases, he does in heaven and on earth, in the seas, and all deeps. So this is talking about his sovereign will. Whatever God sovereignly intends to happen will happen. It mentions in Ephesians 1 verse 11 that in him we've been we have obtained an inheritance having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the council of his will. Again, sovereign will right here. So we have revealed will. Don't lie, don't murder. Don't steal. Revealed will. He's working everything according to the council of his will, making sure it all lines up perfectly with his will. Romans 8:28 tells us, "And we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good." Again, God's sovereign will here for those who are called according to his purpose. So therefore, yes, we can do things that go against his revealed will. We shouldn't, but we do, sadly. And yes, we can then go back to doing what God has revealed that we should do.

Okay, next one from Julie. Can you explain the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18:21-35? Can God remove paying for our sin debt?

Yeah, this is a tricky it could be a tricky parable to interpret because what happens is I'll give you just a quick rundown for those wondering what this parable is. There's a guy who had a massive debt, equivalent of billions of dollars of today's currency, and the a guy forgave him. The guy he owed the money to just said, "Look, I'm going to forgive you." Cuz he like he pleaded and he forgave. But then the guy who just got forgiven the massive debt had a guy he owed him like a $100. And the guy who's just been forgiven was like, "I'm not going to forgive you." Even though the guy begged, he didn't forgive the guy who owed him a hundred bucks. And so then the original master, the master who forgave the massive debt, it's like you couldn't forgive that guy a little bit. Then I'm going to put throw you into prison and you're going to pay off your debt. So then was that the initial debt reinstated? Uh different commentaries, different commentators have different opinions on this. Um, some will say that no, it's not the actual original debt that's reinstated because how could it it wasn't really forgiven if you could then reinstate it later on. So, this must be further debt that this person has incurred beyond the initial debt that the person um had accrued and and therefore got forgiven. I think that's reasonable interpretation of what it's saying there. Now, some people try and use this to relate to salvation that oh, God can forgive you and then he can just like unforgive you. But I don't think that's the point of the parable. I don't think that's what it's getting at. The point of the parable is if you've been forgiven much by God, shouldn't that make you forgive others lots as well? That's the overarching point of the parable. It's not to say it's not to represent can God reinstate your your sins even after he's already paid for them and forgiven them. That would make God in essence a liar if he did that. We know God's not a liar. And so therefore the point we got to understand what the point of why he's saying it. He's just given on in Matthew 18 the instructions on uh if your brother sins against you, if your brother sins against you, go to him privately, bring two or three witnesses. If he still still doesn't listen, tell it to the church. If he still doesn't listen, treat him as an unbeliever and tax collector. And his point is be forgiving. And so our sins against God rack up into the heavens like massive amount of sins that we've all done against God. sins that people have done against us are very small in comparison to what we've done against Almighty God. And so if we've been forgiven much by God, therefore we can go and forgive others. I think that's the the point of that parable there.

This one from Matthew says, "Hey Ryan, what copy or version of the Quran have you read?"

Uh the Yusef Ali translation is the one that I read. Yeah, we had a we had a very long chat with a Muslim out in the streets. Was it Sunday night? Yeah. And it's interesting like there was two Muslim two women Muslim women we were speaking to for a couple hours and one of them was like, "Oh, the Quran doesn't say that. The Quran like making this really confident assertion. The Quran doesn't say that." And the other Muslim's like, "We haven't read the Quran." Like, she's admitting they haven't actually read the entire Quran. And so and the other was like we can't say that it doesn't say that we haven't even read it ourselves. And so I really appreciated her honesty there because the vast majority of Muslims that you encounter will have not read the entire Quran. They won't even know how many chapters are in it. And so it is powerful to have read the Quran or at least know certain parts of it which you can then say, "Hey, did you know that your Quran says this?" Or you may want to set it up this way. uh if the Quran permitted a husband to beat his wife, would you uh you know, does the Quran say that first of all? And I'll say no, it doesn't. If it said it, would it make you reject the Quran? Set it up like that and then bring up the passage in the Quran which talks about it and they'll be like they have to then be like either go back on what they're saying or they'll be like, "Yeah, I will reject the Quran as a result of that. Yeah. So that's the but the Yusef Ali translation is the one I've read.

This one from Andreas. Can you explain what is enthusiasm in the modern evangelical sense and how we can know it's the Holy Spirit speaking or just our own thoughts? Martin Luther fought against us enthusiasm. H okay. Okay. I'm not sure what Martin Luther did in regards to that, but excitement, enthusiasm, joy. I don't think the Bible is against that. But it just depends what you mean by enthusiasm here. You're talking because you you're linking it up with how we know it's the Holy Spirit speaking. That's not what how I would define like enthusiasm. Enthusiasm is like, "Yeah, I'm really into it. I'm excited." Like at church, don't be just like, "I I want to be elsewhere." at church when you're singing songs in worship of God. Be like, be enthusiastic. I think it's good to be enthusiastic even just interactions with one another. Be kind, be gracious. If you were talking to Jesus, would you be like seeming like you're bored or would you be pretty enthusiastic? And so then remember how Jesus said, "Whatever you did to the least of these, my brothers, you did unto me." So when you're at church, when you're interacting with Christians in the chat here, let's be enthusiastic. Let's not just be like, "Ah, I have to talk to this person after the service. I don't really want to, but I have to." No. Be like, "Wow, I'm speaking to an image bearer of God. I'm speaking to a brother or sister in the Lord. And whatever I do for this person, I'm doing it really unto Jesus Christ." That's a challenge for us maybe for the new year as well. But God speaks to us through his word, through the Bible. So therefore, don't think that voices in your head or just things, feelings you get are necessarily from God. Instead, read scripture and that's how God speaks to us. Oh, here we go. Andrea says, "Sorry,

I meant people saying they heard the Holy Spirit tell them to do this or that." Okay. Um, yeah. So, what I would say is those people, if someone's like, "Oh, the Holy Spirit told me to say this to you." I'd be like, "Well, chapter of verse, please." Just because someone claims that the Holy Spirit's spoken to them doesn't mean that they necessarily have had the Holy Spirit speak to them. And so, if they can't support it just from scripture, then I won't just take it on board necessarily.

Yeah, these are good questions you guys sending in. But what I think we should do just to give opportunity um for viewer chats and other things like that, let's get into some Bible trivia with you guys.

>> Here we go. Test your knowledge. Let it show right here on.net. WHO CAN GET IT FIRST? ARE YOU READY?

>> All right. Yes, it is Bible trivia time. Look who we got. Paul eating a cookie or something like that. And you guys in the chat. It is a cookie. Was it? No. What was it?

>> No, it's a little um egg tasting.

>> Oh, egg key. Did you make it?

>> Yeah. It's got anchovies in it.

>> Oh, no. Come on. What? You put anchovies in a kiche.

>> It's all over my face. Oh dear.

>> Oh wow. Yeah,

>> I remember having anchovies on pizza once and it was not nice,

>> mate. You can't beat it.

>> Do you guys like anchovies in the chat? Let us know if you do. So, there's little fish. Fish that you just put on pizza and stuff like that. Do you like them or not?

>> They're whole fish, right? They're just like you don't even skin them. You just like chuck them on a pizza, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Here we go. Cory says, "Anchovies. Why would anyone eat fish skeletons? Carol said that's one ruined pizza. Exactly. Not for me.

>> There we go.

>> Get a life. Get a life.

>> Look at it. Look. See everyone in the chat? They got some good taste buds here. They're thinking, you know,

>> no culture. No culture.

>> Unethical pizza.

>> Oh, here we go. You got a You got a fan, Ashanti. Ant trophies are the bomb. They are the bomb. Yes, that's good to know someone out there loves anchovies just like I do.

>> Oh, that's so funny. Okay, good to see you, Edson, as well. Brother, are you ready for some Bible trivia? And I got Jamie here, too. Look at that. Jamie's appeared. Hey, Paul, you want to pick a book of the Bible?

>> Well, let's go Romans.

>> I think we did some Romans the other day. Do you want to pick another one?

>> Okay. How about we go through um Ecclesiastes?

>> Okay. Ecclesiastes. Hey, Edson's excited. That's Old Testament. All right. Okay. Now, there is a phrase that is repeated all throughout the book of Ecclesiastes. What is that phrase to describe basically life under the sun without God has no purpose? What is that phrase? Go for it, Jamie.

>> Uh, meaningless, meaningless, or vanity. Vanity.

>> Yeah, nice work. Okay. Who wrote Ecclesiastes? What do you think, Paul?

>> Um, uh, Ecclesiastes. Is that um was that Solomon?

>> Solomon is the correct answer. Nice work.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. Uh, let's see. Okay. What does Ecclesiastes say about money? Does anyone know what it says about money? I've quoted a couple times on our streams recently. Anyone know? This might be a tricky one. Go for it, Edson.

>> Um, it has wings.

>> It has wings. Yeah, like setting a hope on it. It'll fly away. Is that Ecclesiastes?

>> That's what I'm thinking of.

>> Paul making some noise.

>> Here we go. Money. It's a gas. Interesting. Doesn't satisfy. Yeah, I think that's what I had in mind. That doesn't satisfy. This is the one I was thinking of in chapter 5. Ecclesiastes. Let's bring it up. Says here, "He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income. This also is vanity." It's a very good line, isn't it? You love money, you love your income, you're not going to be satisfied with it.

>> All right. Next. What is better than a feast? According to Ecclesiastes 7, what's better than a feast? It's better to go to what sort of house? All right. What do you think there, Jamie?

>> I'm not the friend for this one. I got no idea.

>> What do you think, Paul? Just trying to think. Um, what's better than a feast? Did you say?

>> Yeah. Okay. What's better than going to a feast? Going to a house of what?

>> Can't I can't remember.

>> All right. Uh, let's go to Edson.

>> Um, I'm thinking of a funeral, but that's not the answer. Um, I don't know.

>> You're close. Very close. Yeah. It is better to go to the house of mourning than to go to the house of feasting. There you go. for this is the end of all mankind and the living will lay it to heart. So again, he's writing from the perspective of a god life under the sun from a godless perspective. He's like, we're all going to die anyway, so it's better to go to a house of mourning than a house of feasting. Um, quite interesting uh words here. Now he concludes the book by saying all has been heard and what does he say that we should do? Everything's been heard. What should we do? What's the whole duty of man? What do you think, Jamie?

>> Uh, to keep the commandments and fear God.

>> Hey, nice work. The end of the matter. All is being heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. Hey, well done. Good job getting that. And I'll give you some more general Bible trivia now. And I'll try to give you some multiple choice answers as well. Now, which event occurred first? The feeding of the 5,000 or the feeding of the 4,000? What do you think, Paul?

>> 5,000.

>> 5,000 is first. Good job. Next. What did David use to defeat Goliath to knock him down? Was it a spear, a sling and a stone, or his own bare hands? What do you think, Edson?

>> A sling and a stone.

>> H. Well done. Next. What was Paul's Paul the Apostle's other name? His other name. What do you think, Jamie?

>> Saul.

>> Hey, nice work. The answer is Saul. Okay. What is the second last book of the Bible? What do you think, Paul?

>> That'll be Jude.

>> Hey, Jude. Nice work. Okay. And there was a judge who made a vow that resulted in the death of his daughter. Who was that? Was that Samson, Gideon, Jeba, or Barack?

>> What do you think, Edson? Jeepa.

>> Hey, Jeepa is the correct answer. Nice work. And what did Phineas do that got him a perpetual priesthood back in the book of Numbers? All right. So, did he knock down the altars to Bal? Did he stab a man and a woman through their stomach? Did he um help construct the tabernacle or did he have a whole lot of children? All right. What do you think, Jamie?

>> Is he the one that like given the spirit of God to help build this tabernacle for like all the artwork?

>> No.

>> Good try.

>> All right, let's go to Paul. Any idea out of those four options?

>> I'd say the first one sounds reasonable.

>> And so the first one was knock down the altars of Bal. And no, that is not correct. Good try. Let's go to Edson.

>> I need the options again.

>> All right. So why did Phineas get a perpetual priesthood? Is it because he knocked down the altars of bar, which you know is not the right answer? Was it because he stabbed a man and a woman through their stomach? Did he uh Well, the other options the other options we had were Oh, yeah. Did he help construct the tabernacle, which is what Jamie said, and that wasn't correct either, or did he have lots of offspring, lots of descendants?

>> Um, he killed um the husband and the wife.

>> They weren't husband and wife.

>> Okay. But they were doing some immoral things and he comes in and he stabs them both to the stomach for their immorality. That's correct. And God um commended him for that because that is what stayed the plague back when you might remember uh Balam and his donkey. Well, Balam couldn't curse Israel. And so what he did is he got the Midionites to tempt Israel with sexual morality. And so they were doing that and then that's when Phineas stepped in and uh killed a couple of the people who were doing that and that stayed the plague and God says I'm going to give you a perpetual priesthood as a result of that that righteous action he did. All right, next one. You guys like I don't remember that story. It's in the book of numbers. Okay, next.

>> All right, which book comes before the other? Is it Zephaniah or Zechariah? Which comes before the other? Let's go to Jamie.

>> Oh, Zephaniah comes first.

>> Yes, that is correct. All right. In the book of Acts, who did the Lord open this person's heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul as he preached the gospel to this person? Who was that? Was that it explicitly says that language was that Cornelius Lydia the Ethiopian unic or Sergius Porus? What do you think Paul?

>> Was that um Lydia?

>> Correct. Nice work. In Paul's missionary journeys, did he go to Cyprus or Corenth first to preach the gospel? What do you think? Uh, let's go to Edson.

>> Um, Corinth.

>> No. Good try. It is Cypress. Cypress was on his first missionary journey. This is an island which we've had a couple monkey chats there and then it was on his like second and third journeys that he went to Corenth. Next, there were some people who the book of Acts commends for searching the scripture daily to see whether what even Paul was saying was right. What town were these people from? Was it Thessalonica, Berea, Philippi or Athens? What do you think there Jamie

>> says be a Berean like Acts 17 they search the scriptures to know what it means?

>> That's so good. That's in the Need God.net music song. That's correct. Check it with the Bible. Yo. That's good. Be like the Bereans. Okay. And what about this? What was the name of the island where John received the book of Revelation? Was he on Cyprus? Cit Patmas or Malta? Paul, what do you think?

>> Patmos.

>> Patmos. You guys in the chat, good job getting that. I'm going to ask Jamie, what's your bonus question for us?

>> Okay, I'm going to finish the verse. um one it's from 2 Corinthians 5:9. So it says, "So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to what?"

>> Yeah. I'll go for you, Ryan. To please him. Nice. Yeah. Amen. Whether we're here or up there, we make it our aim to please him. Okay, Edson, what's your bonus question? So in the book of Acts, who fell into a trance while he was praying in the temple? Paul

>> um was it Paul fell into a trance while he was praying in the temple. Let me think. Jamie, what chapter do you think that is in? It

>> actually got me stuck. Um, I not sure. Is that Acts 20? I'm sorry, 21 before he gets arrested. I don't know cuz I remember Peter fell into a trance in um

>> in Acts 10.

>> So, Edson, what are you thinking?

>> Um, Acts 22:21.

>> Okay. X 22 21.

>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

>> He said

>> and he said, "Go for I'll send you far away to the Gentiles." Is that the one?

>> I think Jesus spoke to him earlier. Um, it says that Paul fell into a trance. Um

>> this is on the road to Damascus, is it? Or no, wait. Oh, here we go. Verse 20. Uh, 17 verse 17. When I had returned to Jerusalem and was praying in the temple, I fell into a trance. There we go. And saw him saying to me, "Make haste and get out of Jerusalem quickly because they will not accept your testimony about me." There we go. So this is after his conversion. And then he's in Damascus for a bit and then he goes to Jerusalem and then this is where he's receiving this uh vision from the Lord. And this is him recounting it to the crowd who's just been beating him up. Cool. Yeah, thanks for that shogi in the chat. Okay, Paul, have you got one for us?

>> Um, yes. Who is known to be the left-handed judge and Jamie?

>> Uh, that would be E-hood.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Hey, nice work, Ehood, the left-handed judge. All right, now we have one from Ecclesiastes from Denine. According to Ecclesiastes, what's better than your birthday? It's better than your birthday. What do you think, Edson?

>> Um, the day that you die.

>> Yeah. The day that you die, it's better than your birthday. Day of death is better than the day of birth. Again, from a godless perspective of life under the sun, not from a Christian perspective. We we can find joy in every single day. Um, okay. But I guess you could say going home. True. Going home to glory. You can see it from that perspective, too. All right. I'm going to test your knowledge of some where some things are in scripture. I think we might pick our favorites.

>> Not a result of works so that no one may boast.

>> All right. So, these favorites won't be too hard, I don't think, if you know your Bible. So, where's this verse from? Is it from Ephesians 2:8 or 9? Philippians 1 or Colossians 1? What do you think, Paul?

>> Ephesians 289.

>> Well, no. Like you got to pick one of those. You can't pick both of them.

>> Oh, sorry. Um, so result of work 10, sorry, nine.

>> It's not even one of the options. That's

>> good job for you.

>> I'm hardressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ for that is far better.

>> Okay. Is this Philippians 1, Ephesians 2 or John 14? What do you think there Jamie?

>> Well, I know it's not Ephesians 28 and 9 now. So, I know but I do know Philippians 1.

>> Philippians 1:23.

>> Jesus said to him, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.

>> Okay. Where's this one? Do you think Edson is hiding away there?

>> John.

>> He's laughing. You want to find a friend?

>> John 14.

>> Yeah. John 14:6 is the correct answer. I am the way, the truth, and the life. For by him all things were created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through him and for him.

>> Okay. What do you think, Paul? Where do you think that one is from?

>> Well, that can be a song that I sing if you like. It's Colossians 1 16. Hey,

>> Colossians 1:16. Yeah.

>> For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing. It is a gift of God.

>> Okay. What do you think, Jamie? Where's this one?

>> Um, is that Ephesians 2:10?

>> No, Ephesians 28.

>> 28. Nice work you guys in the chat. I made sure to do it just I had like six verses in here, so it's just testing you between like six verses or so, so that you guys can get really familiar with these verses. And uh, yeah, cuz maybe some of them like Ephesians 2 is more common, but maybe Colossians 1:16 is not as common to you, or some of the others like Philippians 1:23. Well done. We got 100%. Good job there. Now, Paul, could you encourage us then with um a song? You might do the Colossians one if you got that.

>> Sure.

>> And then we'll get Jamie to pray for us after that. All righty. Oh my king. All things were created in heaven and on earth. Invisible and indivis or dominions or rulers or authority. All things were created through him and for him. Colossians 1 verse 16.

>> That was beautiful. Paul just like your hair today. I'm going to pray for us.

>> Thank you.

>> Uh, dear father, just pray for the upcoming stream. We just pray that your word would be able to go out and that people reflecting on the year to come would see that Jesus should be at the um front of their lives. Um, may people come to hear and believe the gospel. Um, may you be glorified. May people come for viewer chats and um have questions answered, have clarity of the gospel and um, yeah, just be equipping Ryan with boldness, with gentleness, with patience to be able to um, yeah, do well in glorifying you today. We pray all in Jesus name. Amen.

>> Amen. Thank you Jamie. And thank you Paul and Jamie. So you've uh got your New Year's resolution of having one gospel chat online every day at least.

>> So you got to have your chat yesterday.

>> Um, I had one. It was at like 910 p.m. though cuz I got home late. But I got through it and I'm like, "Oh, hopefully it's a short one." I had this just the flesh in me just saying hopefully it's like two minutes. But I actually had a really good chat that was like 40 minutes long with this guy and afterwards I was just so grateful that I did have a longer chat and they came to hear and believe the gospel.

>> That's awesome. Yeah. And maybe for that could be a infectious um resolution like others may be like that's a good idea Jamie. I'm going to try to do the same thing. Have at least one chat with someone every day this year. And so maybe even some trainy grads are here in this be like yeah let's try and do that. you still got time to do that today. Anyway, let's get into um some monkey chats. So, let's see where God sends us and we'll do some viewer chats as well in a bit, too. All right.

>> Okay. So, we're on monkey and we get to you get to guess the country. You can see Carol's already guessing USA. Which country will this person be in? First Peter's also guessing US, Canada. Lord, please save this next person in in Jesus name we pray. Amen. Hey, can I ask you a question?

>> Why you look like that, bro?

>> Hey,

>> why you look AI?

>> Uh, no, I'm real. But I got a serious question for you, man. Um, do you believe that there is a heaven after we die?

>> Yes.

>> Great. And so what do you think we've got to do to make sure we go to heaven?

>> We got to do good things.

>> Okay.

>> You got to repent.

>> All right. So would you say you've been a pretty good person yourself?

>> No.

>> No. Okay. Appreciate the honesty. Like in your life, have you ever told a lie before?

>> Oh, he ran away.

>> Hey there. Can I ask you a question?

>> Yes.

>> Thank you. My question is, do you believe that there is a heaven after we die? Yes.

>> Yeah. Same. And so what do you think you've got to do to make sure you go to heaven?

>> So for me, you need to be good and need to follow God, you know, the true true way of God, you know.

>> Yeah. Okay. And so have you done that pretty well?

>> Yeah, I'm trying my best.

>> Okay. So like in your life, have you ever told a lie before?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah, me too. Ever used bad language?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. What about this one? Have you ever been angry or rude to someone?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, if God was to judge you then based on these things, would you be innocent or guilty?

>> Guilty.

>> Yeah. So, if you're guilty, should you get a reward or a punishment?

>> Punishment.

>> And does that sound like heaven or hell?

>> Hell.

>> Yeah. And we don't want to go there because it's a lake of fire. It goes on forever.

>> So, what do you think you could do at this point so that you don't have to go to hell? Repent.

>> Okay. And when you say repent, do you what do you mean by that?

>> I mean like uh admit that I made this mistakes before and try to you know to do good after this mistakes and trying not to do this mistake that I did before and not to do it again you know.

>> All right. So let's say in a court of law

>> so try to do my best

>> in this life.

>> Yeah. So, but let's say like in a court of law.

>> Sorry. Um, let's say in a court of law, you stood before a judge. You said, "Judge, I'm I'm sorry for the crimes I've done. Please

>> I can see you."

>> Yeah, it's frozen. Like, let's hopefully the connection restores.

>> It's better now.

>> I see you now.

>> Okay. Okay. Cool.

>> Yes.

>> Um, all right. So, let's say in a court of law, you stood before a judge and you said, "Judge, I'm really sorry for breaking the law."

>> I can see you again. I don't know why.

>> Maybe the connection.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure if your wife her house if it's going strong, but if if it in a court of law, you stood before a judge and said, "Judge, I'm sorry for my crimes. I won't do it again. Please let me go." Would the judge just let you go free?

>> No.

>> No. And that's the same with God. Is that even if we said, "God, I'm sorry. I won't sin again." He's still got to punish us for our past sins, doesn't he?

>> Yeah. For our past sins. from what I what I believe that if I truly repent cuz God know everything. So if if I truly repent and he see that I repent, uh, he for sure will forgive me, you know, cuz Yeah.

>> But but think of it this way though. Let's say a judge in a court of law said, "I'm really merciful." So any criminal that repents to me and says sorry and and so on, I'll just let them go free no matter what their crimes are. Is that a good judge or is it a bad judge? You know in this I know it's judge and judge but from what I believe like God truly know inside do you know the judge he is a human so he can he try but he can't see the inside of us but God can see the inside of us you know he can truly see if we really did it like if we really mean it you know or not

>> that's what I agree he can see inside of us believe Mhm.

>> That's true. But the only thing is that even if the criminal sincerely was sorry for the crimes, doesn't he still deserve a punishment for those crimes?

>> I mean it depend on the type of uh sin that he did. I mean if he lie and you know a small lie won't hurt anybody but he still lie, right? But if it only hurt himself or that's it. I mean, yeah, why not? Yeah, but he should still get the punishment, right? So, like if he's broken the law in society, even if he's sincerely sorry in his heart, a bad judge will say, "Ah, you're free. It's okay. It doesn't matter what you've done." That's what a bad judge who shows mercy at the expense of justice. And but a good judge will say, "You should be sorry, but I still got to give you what you deserve for the crime you've done." Does that make sense?

>> And that's the thing is that God is not going to be a bad judge. she's going to be a good one.

>> So therefore, he he won't be able to overlook your sins just because you've said sorry to him or you trying to improve.

>> Right?

>> So we've only got one possible option of going to heaven and that is if someone is willing to get our punishment on our behalf. Right? Because if someone got 100% of your punishment, how much punishment will be left for you to still get? Did you hear that?

>> I didn't hear it.

>> Okay. All right. I'll say it again.

>> So, if someone if someone got 100% of your page,

>> can you say it again?

>> How much?

>> I don't know what's the problem, but it's freezing.

>> Yeah. Can you hear me now?

>> Can you hear me now?

>> Yes. Okay, cool. So, if someone was to get 100% of your punishment, then how much punishment is left for you to still get?

>> Zero.

>> Right? So, with zero punishment left, then where do you get to go when you die?

>> Heaven.

>> Right? So, why do you get to go to heaven then?

>> Because you have zero sin.

>> Yeah. And not because of good stuff we've done, but just because someone took your punishment on your behalf. Does that make sense?

>> And so, do you see do you see how that satisfies justice? Because it's like having like a speeding fine and then someone else pays the speeding fine for you.

>> If someone pays your entire speeding fine, how much is left for you to pay?

>> Nothing left.

>> Right? So, if someone pays our hell fine, we got nothing left to pay. We get to go to heaven. Mhm.

>> And so, does is this making sense about that's how we get to go to heaven if someone pays for our sins.

>> I I understand it because this is perspective of Christianity that Jesus talk like

>> you know die for everybody saying something you know.

>> Yeah, you got it man.

>> So you know listen yeah I know this perspective but you know there's many perspective from other people uh, you know. Everybody believes like uh there's some way to go to heaven

>> and you know it's some it's somehow related to each other you know cuz everybody want to go to heaven you know

>> right, we all do but we got to find make sure we find a way that's actually going to work where God upholds justice and still can show mercy to us and so we've already figured out by saying sorry and improving our life isn't going to get rid of the wrong we've done

>> so do you see how this is the only way that actually makes sense where the punishment is dealt with cuz someone gets it for us and yet we get to be shown amazing mercy from God.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I understand you.

>> Yeah. Okay. So then do you think this is worth trusting in that Jesus has taken your punishment for you?

>> I mean I believe in Jesus you know but the know this that he died for our sins. I I I don't even believe that Jesus died, you know, in my belief.

>> I understand. But but this is what we need. We need

>> I understand. But we need to we need to believe this for us to go to heaven because if you don't believe that he died for your sins, then you're going to have to take your own punishment and that's going to be in hell.

>> You don't want that. So don't don't let your pre-existing beliefs hold you back from accepting this good news of Jesus taking your punishment.

>> You know what I believe?

>> Yeah. Your Islam

>> I believe is Jesus is coming back.

>> Yeah. But that's still like wouldn't it be worthwhile believing what Jesus said about himself and like what he said he would do for us? I mean there's a lot of books, you know.

>> No, but like as what's do you know of any do you know of any first century documents that are written as eyewitness sources of the life of Jesus? Do you know of any?

>> I mean, there's third century there's the Quran.

>> No, the Quran is not the first century. That came 600 700 years after the time

>> of Jesus. So I'm talking about first I'm talking about from the time Jesus lived. They're in that like that first century era.

>> Do you have any

>> Do you know of any first century documents from eyewitnesses who lived with Jesus

>> who wrote down an account of what Jesus said?

>> No. No. No.

>> There are we've actually got we got a bunch of them. We got a few of them. And so that's why wouldn't it be worthwhile going to those sources to find out what Jesus said?

>> Yeah. Yeah, and if you do that, like for example, Matthew is one of those sources. Matthew describes that Jesus predicts his death and his resurrection, his coming back to life like three times. Um, in his in his account, it describes how he's going to be uh put to death on the by the chief priests and the Jewish religious leaders, but then on the third day rise back to life from the dead. Let me give you an example. Um, here I'll give you the passage. This is in Matthew 16 verse 21. It says I put the whole thing in there. I didn't mean to do that. Um, okay.

>> Let me copy this. Is that It's done the same thing. Matthew 16 verse 21 is the reference. I'll put just that verse up. Okay. All right. This is the This is what it is. says, "From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed and on the third day be raised." Do you see that?

>> Yeah. So if that's an eyewitness account recording that this is what Jesus taught, then therefore we shouldn't reject this account just because of some document that came 700 years later. We want to say okay this is what the this eyewitness has said this but Jesus said that then I'll accept that's what he claimed. I mean, wouldn't that is Isn't that reasonable? Like to me, that sounds reasonable to to to preference the first century documents from those who were there at the time than something that came 600 years later by a person who didn't even meet Jesus, didn't even live in the same country as Jesus.

>> I mean, prophet is a prophet even if they didn't meet, you know. But this is assuming that Muhammad was a prophet of God. He claimed to be a prophet of God, but that doesn't make him a prophet of God just because he claims it.

>> I mean, many prophets claim to be prophets.

>> Sure. But just there's there's many people who claim to be prophets of God. Even today, there's people living on this earth right now who claim to be prophets of God. But you don't just blindly accept them as being

>> when there is like miracles get performed like Jesus is we know it's prophet because he performed the miracles you know

>> right, but do you realize that according to the Quran Muhammad did no miracles he did zero miracles when he was approached by the crowd saying

>> no if you read the Quran I'm not sure if you've read much of the Quran yourself but if you read through the Quran it tells us that Muhammad was told by the people can you do some signs and miracles to prove yourself and he says no I am only a warner so not that he does miracle he's only warns but he doesn't do miracles

>> it did miracles like the split of the moon

>> that's not what the Quran says the Quran does not mention Muhammad split the moon if you read even the verse the there's a mention of a moon being split but it doesn't mention that Muhammad is the cause of it or that Muhammad did this miracle so And there's no reason to actually trust Muhammad because there's no miracles that he did.

>> You know, if you read the Quran like like you really read the Quran,

>> which I have done,

>> you you will see does the Quran itself is a miracle. You know,

>> the Quran is not a miracle because like it's a that's a very subjective test,

>> right? What how do you think the Quran itself is a miracle? Like there's many things in the Quran that's like uh, you know, they discover things until these days that uh Muhammad talked about.

>> Are you talking about scientific facts? Is that what you're talking about?

>> Yeah, they are mentioned in the Quran. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So those have all been debunked. They've all been proven wrong. You might know Ali Dawa. He's a very famous Muslim da person. He's put out a video saying that all these supposed scientific miracles in the Quran have all been debunked, proven wrong. And so therefore, he's encouraging Muslims to not make that sort of assertion that they have been that there's some sort of scientific miracles in the Quran because this is not true cuz he understands the Quran is not a scientific textbook. So yeah, that's why I don't think the Quran is any sort of miracle. It's just a document, a religious document that was written maybe in the seventh century. But that doesn't mean that it's inspired of God. Doesn't mean it's 100% true. In fact, there's problems with the fact that the Quran affirms the earlier books of the Bible, the Torah and the Injil as being the word of God. And yet it contradicts those earlier books. So that's that puts the Quran in a between a rock and a hard place.

>> Yeah. It say that it's the word of God, right? It's corrupt.

>> Well, it doesn't say that. It doesn't say that those books are corrupt by the way. It actually says that you are to observe them and you are to believe them.

>> So for example,

>> you don't believe everything in it, but you don't, you know, refuse everything in it.

>> Well, it says this. This is Surah 5:68. It says, "Oh, say, oh prophet, oh people of the book, you have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." You have to observe those books. Now, do you think Allah is going to tell you to follow a corrupted book?

>> You're going to observe and not just believe. You know,

>> as in it says observe it. See that? So, is he going to tell you to observe as in that means follow a corrupted book?

>> Do you think he would? Yes or no?

>> Did so. Would I'll say it again. I want to hear your answer.

>> Observe, you know, it's like uh observe. It's like make a remark or you know.

>> Yeah. It means follow. It means to do what it's saying.

>> Let me do this.

>> Notice though, notice like the Quran itself, the Quran itself tells you to observe it. It tells you to follow it. It tells you to believe it. Arabic,

>> right? It tells you to do all these different things, but you're like, I don't want to follow it. I don't want to believe it. I don't want to observe it. Even though the Quran says you need to you need to follow these earlier books.

>> And that's interesting though is that you're not following your own Quran. Then if you actually aren't following the earlier books,

>> you're not following them. is to obser to to remark to make a remark to I don't know how to say it in English.

>> So does it say like maybe like pay attention to it?

>> So doesn't mean

>> so pay attention to it. So pay attention to what the Torah and the um the the angel is saying, the gospel saying. So if you're supposed to pay attention to what these earlier books, are you paying attention to those earlier books or are you trying to discredit them by saying that they're corrupted? What are you doing?

>> Is not follow.

>> Did you hear what I just said? I think you're not listening to me. Try be show courtesy and listen to what I'm actually saying.

>> Listen to what I'm saying.

>> Translating in Arabic is not follow the book.

>> What does it mean?

>> It take a look at it. You know, like I'm I'm take a look.

>> I'm not telling you to follow this character.

>> Okay. So if you're supposed to take a look at the Torah and the Gospel

>> against it,

>> okay, is he going to tell you to to take a look at a false and corrupted book?

>> Corrupt. Corrupt. It's the word of God, but it can be corrupt. Take a look at and see if it's corrupt.

>> Listen. Listen. You're not You're not listening to me. You're not listening carefully enough. Would would Allah tell you

>> to pay attention to a a corrupted set of books?

>> I don't know.

>> So, you think he should he would say, "Oh, yeah. Pay attention to these these corrupted books.

>> Take a look at it. Open the book and see if it's corrupt or not."

>> From what I see, there's a lot.

>> That's not what it's saying. You have nothing to stand on unless you observe these books. And he mentions the Torah, the gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord, which they would in would probably be that last part would be even um they would say the Quran. So whatever you're supposed to do with the Quran, you're supposed to do with these earlier books. But notice, you're arbitrarily you're arbitrarily saying these early books are false, even though the Quran doesn't say that. And so to me it sounds like you've just got a blind trust.

>> Everything on it is right.

>> You've just seems to seem like you just got a blind trust in Muhammad when he hasn't proven himself to be a prophet of God.

>> He is the prophet of God.

>> What evidence do you have he's a prophet of God?

>> He's a prophet of God just like you had the

>> And what evidence do you have that Muhammad is a prophet of God? Can you give me some evidence for Muhammad specifically? You know, we have ancestors. We have people from the time of the prophet that he performed miracles at that time.

>> It's not what the Quran says. You won't find a single verse in the Quran that speaks about Muhammad doing a miracle. Not even a single one.

>> So notice notice then why do you think that he's a prophet of God? If you if he doesn't do any miracles, he's inconsistent with all the earlier prophets and his behavior is not something that you'd want to follow. So you tell me like uh for example the Quran it's been like uh since it's revealed like400 years ago you know right can you prove that prophet Muhammad said and Allah that no one nobody will change the word from the Quran. it will stay the same thing.

>> Well, even the Quran says it's been changed.

>> The Quran says that there will be verses that are changed. It even says it in surah

>> in the Quran that says that

>> surah 2 verse 106 it says we do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that we bring forth one better than it or similar to it. You see that? So even Muhammad, even Allah supposedly says that he's going to

>> that any verses that he abrogates or causes to be forgotten,

>> it's because he's going to bring better ones. If you're going to bring a better one, that shows that then you failed initially. If you're going to bring a better one, but even if you have a look at what Abdullah bin Umar said, who is the son of the second caiff, he said, "Let none of you say I have got the whole of the Quran." How does he know what all of it is? Much of the Quran is gone. Let him say instead, I have got what has survived. So, man, you don't even have all the Quran. It's even what the son of the second caiff um admitted that they don't have the whole Quran. It's gone. So I think you've been told things about the Quran from maybe your imams and and parents and things like that. But if you just look at the Islamic sources, they actually don't um confirm that. The Islamic sources agrees that the Quran has lost suras, it's lost passages, much of the Quran is gone. And so therefore, you've only got what what remains. The Quran's only 14% the size of the Bible anyway, so it makes sense that a bunch of it has been lost. So I I think my encouragement would be is to see, okay, if we need someone to pay, if we need our sins dealt with somehow, either us getting it in hell or Jesus could get it on the cross, it'd be best to accept that Jesus got it for you on the cross. And don't let any sort of religious background hold you back from accepting the best gift that's available to you. Someone paying for your sins.

>> I mean, if you know what's wrong with it,

>> what's that?

>> If someone is paying for from my sins or whatever, like he took all my sins.

>> Yep.

>> Is that mean that I can do whatever I want?

>> That's a good question. Well, what you want will be different. So, I get to do whatever I want in the sense of what I want is now to do good and not to do evil because I have a change of heart. I now love things that are good. I hate things that are evil because God's changed my heart. Not that I'm not that I'm perfect, but my general attitude towards sin is I don't want that stuff anymore. I'd rather be walking in a good way. Not to get myself to get to heaven, but just out of gratitude and love to God for what he's done for me. So still doing good

>> as in

>> still about doing good

>> as in yeah we do good but just doesn't play any part in getting us to heaven. We do the good just as a way of saying thank you to God.

>> So what's going to happen if I did that?

>> Well, if you don't trust in what Jesus did to save you, died on the cross, then you'll end up in hell. But if you do trust that he died for you and let's say you did five more sins again tomorrow, well those sins are still paid for and so you'd still go to heaven, but you wouldn't feel comfortable continuing to do more and more sins and so you'll find yourself sinning less as time goes on.

>> So still if I believe in this thing, so I can do whatever I want. I believe that he died for my sins. I do whatever I want.

>> And guess what? I I already explained what it means. Doing whatever you want for someone who trusts in Jesus means living differently. Living in holiness

>> because there's people who believe and we see them they do all all the stuff.

>> Well, they may claim to believe but they may not necessarily believe, right? Because not everyone who claims to be a Christian is really a Christian.

>> So, you know that what's in their heart.

>> Yeah. God does know what is in everyone's heart.

>> God know what's in my heart.

>> So he know that I repent for my sins and that I'm doing good sincere from my heart and I'll go to heaven.

>> No, but you you have a too high view of yourself. I think even my heart now is not perfect or pure. There's still sins there.

>> And so that hold up. But you can't just explain it away downplay it by oh it's human. It's fine. No, it's tragic. It's evil that would have any evil in our heart or any sin in our heart. So therefore

>> be perfect

>> because yeah God wants you to be perfect. Literally that's what Jesus commanded. Do you know that?

>> Yes.

>> In Matthew 5:48 he said this that you therefore must be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect. That's what he demands you to be to be perfect. So therefore if you do even one sin you should

be in hell forever. That's how strict God's standard is.

Yes. That's if you don't want sins that's not perfect. That's what I'm saying. I believe that like perfect is like a big word. You know, perfect. This is a big word. Nobody can be perfect.

Okay. Sure. But even though we aren't all perfect, that doesn't mean God's going to lower his standard. His standard is still perfection. Similar to even in society, the government expects its citizens to not break the laws. Which means if they break even one law, they can be punished by the government. And so God expects all of us to not break his law. So if we break even one, we deserve hell for that. So if you like break one law and you go to hell like punishment, are you going back to heaven after a while or you stay like forever in?

Uh, it's permanent. It's forever in hell. Which is why this makes it so serious for you to trust in Jesus immediately because there's no second chances.

I can see you.

Once you're in hell.

Bit lag.

Oh, sorry. You can see me now.

I can see you now. Can you?

Okay. Yeah, I can see. Yeah. Yeah. So, it is permanent in hell, which makes it so important for you to trust that Jesus died for you while you're still living because there's no second chances later on, right?

So, you don't have, like, you get punished for the sins that you did and after you're like cleared from your sins, go to heaven. You don't have this.

No, for two reasons. First reason is our sins are massively serious. If we sin against an eternal God, it makes sense that we deserve an eternal punishment for that. And second reason is that in hell, people are still going to have sinful attitudes towards God. And so therefore, they'll be continually sinning in hell. And so that's another reason why they'll never get out because they have to keep bearing all the punishment for their sins there, the sins that they're still doing, right?

So that's why it makes much more sense. Hell is eternal. And so therefore, the only way to be rescued from an eternal hell is if someone pays it for us. And that's God himself who came down to rescue us from the punishment we deserve.

And so, man, this is really, hopefully, this is really attractive for you that this is like, yeah, I really would love to know if I'm going to heaven. I really love to have certainty about that. Well, you can have that certainty the moment you trust that he died for your sin. You can know I can't go to hell because my sins are all covered. But if it's based on your behavior, you can see why you could end up in hell for that because our behavior is definitely lacking in many ways.

Yeah.

So, yeah, maybe this is something to really consider. Check out the book of Matthew in the Gospel. Um, I think that'll be really good. You'll see it's perfectly consistent. All the books of the Bible are all consistent and it brings one unified message about Jesus and what he's done to save us.

Yep.

Yeah. Because it makes sense that Muhammad, like if you see, if you look at what Muhammad says, he's really against some of the key things about Jesus. He will say that he believes Jesus, but he denies his death, his resurrection, and him being God. So, it's if anything, it's like I could see how Satan could create a religion like Islam to make people not accept the gift of Jesus dying for them.

I mean, these people still believe in Jesus.

Yeah. But do you see how that's really what Satan would want? Satan's happy for people to believe that there may be a historical figure named Jesus, but he's not happy if they believe that he's God or that he died.

Believe Jesus that's still alive. Well, what's bad about it is that you're denying that he's God and you're denying that he died on the cross, the central purpose for why he came to this earth.

I mean, God, I mean, I believe that God can't die.

Okay. But can God take on a physical body if he wants to?

God want to be in a physical body like a human?

Yeah. Can God do that? Could God, does he have the ability to take on a physical body? I mean, it's God.

He can. I mean, of course he can.

Right? He's God. He can do that, right?

I can see. Look, I can see God go to human body and, you know, doing like regular stuff, you know, because it's God.

He's the one that's my point because we're talking about God here.

God is all-powerful, correct?

Yes, of course.

So God could take on a physical body then?

No, I don't believe this.

Then you don't believe he's all-powerful either. You believe he's all-powerful, therefore he can take on a physical body.

Or if you don't think he can take on a physical body, then you don't think he's all-powerful.

Human body.

Because there's nothing powerful about a human body. It's a human body.

No, but the thing is, is this, is that not that he...

It's nothing like God.

You're not, but you're not understanding what I'm saying. It's not that he becomes more powerful by having a human body. What I'm saying is that because he's all-powerful, he has the ability to take on a physical body.

I don't believe that.

Okay. But if you don't, did you say you don't believe or you do believe that?

I don't believe that. No.

Well, then, then you don't believe that he's all-powerful then?

I believe that he's powerful.

So, is he powerful enough to be able to take on a physical body if he wants to? You are lagging a little bit. I can see you.

Is he powerful enough to take on a physical body if he wants to?

Is he powerful enough to take a human body?

I mean, why he should take a human body?

That's a different question. Is he powerful enough to do that?

Mhm.

If you say no, then you don't think he's all-powerful. If you say yes, then he can take a physical body on.

I don't know. I don't really know.

Well, it's either yes or no. And you know the answer is yes. If he's all-powerful, he can clearly take on a physical body. But just because your religion has taught you that he doesn't is why you're struggling with this. Even though logic and common sense makes of course he can do that. He can do anything. Right? So therefore, if he can take on a physical body, and why does he do it, you might say? Well, he does it out of love. He doesn't just send someone else to save us. He himself comes down to do the greatest act of love to save wicked people from the punishment they deserve. It's like if you had a natural disaster in your city and instead of the prime minister or the president sending somebody else to do the cleanup work, he himself comes and does the cleanup work. That speaks much more volume in terms of him doing it rather than just sending someone else. And so God sends God himself comes down to rescue us from the punishment we deserve so that he can be most glorified.

But God be a human body and die?

Well, if he can take on a physical body, he can also then temporarily not be in that physical body. So when we talk about Jesus dying or God dying on the cross, we're not talking about his divinity or his spirit somehow ceasing to exist because that's not what death is anyway. Death is a separation of your body and your spirit or your soul. And so therefore what happened is that his body was in the tomb during that time but then his spirit or soul was still running the entire universe and he was still conscious in his spirit.

So what happened on the third day though is that his body and his spirit got reunited together.

Yeah. So if you believe God's all-powerful, you shouldn't have any issue with those things. But just picture this. If you stand before God and he asks you, "Why should I let you into heaven?" What would you say to him?

Cuz I want to be in heaven.

No, he's asking, "Why should he allow you to go to heaven?" Why is she? Cuz I'm trying to do my best and I want to be heaven cuz I worship him.

Okay? Because in that answer, if he says that you, you know, you've tried, you've said you've tried your best, he'll say, "Okay, let's see if you have tried your best." He'll see the times when you've sinned, when you didn't try your best, you chose to do those sins, just like we all have. And so therefore, he's going to be like, you haven't tried your best. If that's the thing, why the reason why you think you should be accepted, off to hell you go. Do you see why? If we point to anything about ourselves, it's going to be lacking. Because do you think anything that you do is going to meet God's perfect standard?

No.

No. So therefore, if you point to anything about yourself as the reason you should go to heaven, it'll be inadequate and so therefore you get rejected.

So what could we point to?

That's outside of us. Not about us, but about God that could get us into heaven. What if?

You see, based on what we talked about before, what was the reason why we get to go to heaven even though we deserve hell?

Cuz he loved us.

Yep, that's true. He does love us. But what has he done to then remove the punishment that we deserve?

Do you remember?

From your perspective?

Yeah. Yeah.

Or mine?

From my perspective. Because on your perspective, there is no way of getting rid of the punishment. You're just hoping he just doesn't get it.

There is a way to get rid of the punishment.

Well, no, no, but a way. But in a way in which the punishment needs to be taken by someone.

You don't have anyone.

You don't have anyone taking the punishment. On your view, and this is why that's unjust. But at least from what you heard from me.

In the end, like in the, you know, when everybody gets raised to the end, you know, the end of the world and everything, everyone gets punished. Like every prophet got their own people, you know, and we have our prophet, he will, you know, take us, you know, like, you know, me, like he will say, "Those are my people." You know, like, "Those are my people." And Jesus will go to his people and say, "This is my people." And, you know, the same thing for every prophet, he will say, "Those are my people."

Okay.

And, you know, we believe that every prophet got their, you know, how we say it?

You know, it's like, I will defend us. Like, this is my people. Like.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

It's just that your prophets, the prophets themselves are not flawless. They're not perfect. Only Jesus was perfect.

No, I believe that the prophets are perfect.

Yeah. That's just not historically accurate. If you go read the Torah, we see that the prophets sinned. If you even go read the Quran, it talks about Muhammad having sins.

So clearly, even Muhammad is not cannot save you because he he had his own sin to deal with. Right? So for example.

I don't believe any of the, any anyone.

Okay. In Surah 48:1 and 2, it says, "Indeed, we have given you, oh Muhammad, a clear conquest that Allah may forgive you for what preceded of your sin." Right? So we see that, yeah, even under your view, under your book, Muhammad was a sinner who needed forgiveness of his sins. So therefore, don't put your trust in Muhammad, who's a sinner. Put your trust in someone who's not a sinner, who even the Quran describes as a pure, pure child. And that's Jesus. In Surah 19:19, it says, "The angel said, 'I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you news of a pure boy.'" This is what the angel announced to Mary when she was pregnant. News of a pure boy, and that's referring to Jesus. So even the Quran affirms Jesus is pure. The Bible affirms Jesus as pure without sin. But Muhammad and other prophets, they all had sin. So yeah, I think night and day difference, man. You got purity in Jesus, sinfulness in Muhammad, miracles done by Jesus, nothing done by Muhammad, inconsistencies with Muhammad with his lifestyle, um, in terms of his behavior, marrying a child at the age of when she was six and he was 53. And you...

Sinful behavior of...

There's a lot of debates about it. I don't know. I don't have knowledge.

Yeah, there it's very, it's well-established. Aisha said herself that.

Can you see me?

Yeah. Aisha said herself that Muhammad married her when she was six and consummated the marriage at age nine. So there's not really any debate on that. That's very well-established. Even many, many Muslim imams agree that's what happened. But that's...

I mean, I don't have knowledge about it. But even so that...

Hey.

1400 years ago.

Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's 1400 years ago or 14 minutes ago. If a person is to go and sleep with a child when she is nine years of age.

Just wait up. If she is nine years of age when he's sleeping with her.

He, he, as a, he would be then 56 years of age. Sleeping with a nine-year-old child is clearly immoral behavior. And if you don't see that as immoral behavior 1400 years ago or today, then there's something wrong with your religion if you can't see that as wrong or evil. And the reason why this is such a concern is because the Quran says that Muhammad is a model of excellent behavior, which means he's the pattern that Muslims have to model themselves after, which is why you have people today trying to marry children in Iran, for example. This is a huge problem.

So yeah, man, just know that I care about you. I'm bringing these things up with you so that you can think critically about this so that you might realize put less trust in Muhammad and more trust in what God has revealed before through the earlier books and see that those earlier books are consistent and they teach you need a substitute, someone who can take your place, bear your sins. It's what the Torah said. It's what even happened with Abraham and his son. Do you remember what happened with Abraham's son?

What?

Do you remember what happened with Abraham's son?

No, remind me.

Well, he, he was told by God to sacrifice his own son and.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And right before he did that, God said, "Don't." And he provided a ram in the place of his own son to be sacrificed. And so notice, it actually says in the Quran that Abraham's son was ransomed. So he had a substitute and a ransom for his son. And so in the same way, we need a ransom and a substitute for our sins. So instead of us having to be punished, we see Jesus was that ransom and substitute for us. Does that make sense?

I understand what he's saying. I mean.

So this is time, man. And it's time, honestly, I think it is time for you to look into this carefully.

And I think if you did carefully look into this, it would lead it would lead you to leave Islam, but it wouldn't lead you to go to atheism. It would lead you to finding true rest and peace with God.

I agree. Atheism is a bad road, but so I think is Islam because it's not going to lead you to heaven. What does lead you to heaven is to have a substitute. I mean, that's my belief, but.

Sure.

I hope let's pray to God that's lead us to the right way.

No, but but man, God in this conversation is trying to get your attention to get you to look into this so that you put your trust that Jesus died for your sins so you can go to heaven. If on judgment day you're like, "God, I prayed that you'd lead me to the truth." He's like, "I sent someone to you on New Year's Day to share this message with you and you didn't listen. You just chose to keep on believing your own existing religion." See, this might be what God's using to bring you to the knowledge of the truth. So, give us some thought, man. I care about you a lot. I want you to be saved.

But yeah, what you should do, which what I did, I've read the entire Quran. I've read the entire Bible. I looked into these sort of things to see what they say. I encourage you to go and read through the Bible for yourself.

One day, bro.

Of course.

No, no, not just one day. Make this your highest priority because you don't know when you're going to die. You could die, who knows, this year. We don't know. So therefore, this is more important than your schooling. This is more important than your work. This is more important than any other things you do because this deals with where you're going to spend forever. There is no second chances after you die. If you get sent to hell, you're there permanently.

Oh.

So you are you going to make this a high priority to even from today start reading through the Bible?

Of course.

We'll see.

Of course, we'll see. That's different. Is it of course or is it we'll see?

We'll see.

So then it's not of course.

How much do you care about, like, how bad would it be for you to end up in hell?

Pretty bad.

Would it just be pretty bad or would it be the worst thing ever?

The worst thing ever.

And so therefore, to prevent the worst thing ever from happening to you, wouldn't it be worthwhile doing something about it immediately?

Yeah, bro.

So therefore, what you should do, start maybe in the book of Matthew or I mentioned, or the book of John, and that's in the second half of the Bible. You can download a Bible on your phone. Just go to the app store, search the word Bible. It's a free download. Start in Matthew and start in John. And these are eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus. Just know this. If you bother not, you don't bother to download the Bible, don't bother to read it, just know that you're not rejecting this because you've got a good reason to reject it. You're just rejecting it because you just don't want to be convinced of the truth.

Yeah.

Yeah. So, just based on what I've shared with you, from my perspective, what is the way for a person to go to heaven? From your perspective.

Yeah.

That's so you believe that someone died for your sin and took all of your sins. You need to believe in him.

Yeah.

Go to heaven.

Correct. Good job. Yeah. That's the Christian message. And that's good news, man. That is such good news. Just even hearing that again just gives you joy. And I hope that you'll see that as a good message, something you'll believe in. But I appreciate this chat, man. It's been good talking to you.

I appreciate you, man.

Cool.

You have a YouTube channel or something?

I do. Yeah. I'll give this to you. This is um needgod.net on TikTok, Instagram, or YouTube you could check. Got some helpful videos and content on there that you might find encouraging. Um, but I really want you to be saved, man. And so I'll be praying for you. Okay.

All right.

Have a nice day.

God bless you, man. Thank you.

All right. Let's pray for Carlos there. H that was a good chat. Good chat. Heavenly Father, we do pray for Carlos. Lord, I do pray that you would cause him to really take seriously his eternity to not be careless about and saying it doesn't matter. We'll find out in the end. But may he see that his soul is in jeopardy right now by following Islam, which cannot save him. All that Islam offers him is rules, but no solution for the fact that we've already broken so many of your rules. Thank you that you have provided salvation, a message of salvation in Christ. And may Carlos come to believe it. Thank you that he came to understand that message. May you cause his heart to believe it. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Hey, glory to God. What a good chat there with Carlos. No one guessed France. Yeah, that we haven't spoken to someone in France in a while. Hey, I was looking at the map here. Look at all the different places that France owns. So, it's got France here, right? But then they've also got like France owned countries here. What's this? French Guiana. And then what else you got? You got these countries here. I'm not sure how to pronounce those countries. And then you've got what else you got? France owns all these little countries, these islands. I'm not sure what the name of those countries are. There you go. That's quite interesting. Um, okay. So, hey, look at that. He's in God's care now. Amen. That's exactly right. The French used to be a big empire. True. They did. All right. What we're going to do is we're going to do some viewer chats. So, I'm going to put the StreamYard link in and uh what we're going to do is if you want to come up and ask any questions or even if you disagree with me, whatever perspective you come from, you can come on up and we can ask you can ask some questions. We could have a discussion on something. I'll pin that link to the top for you guys. There it is. And let's do the viewer chats now. Get excited.

It's viewer chat time here on nod.net. Yo, get excited.

It's viewer chat time here on nod.net. Yo, get excited.

Hey, that's right. Yes, it is viewer chat time. So, let's get excited. Let's have some of these chats. I want to say thank you, by the way, to Marcus for your super sticker for sending that in during that conversation. and also politician. Thank you for your superity. He says, "If you declare with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you'll be saved." Romans 10 verse 9. Okay. So, let's bring up now uh who we got here. Is that right? Andreas, welcome, man. Um, I love how I was just I I was I was the one who commented about the like the enthusiasm saying sorry that I like.

Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I just want to like emphasize like I wanted to have a conversation on that because uh I was raised imagining like in a like a very pro, like a not Protestant and like Pentecostal way of church where they would like they would get the Bible, the scripture, but they would add so much like extra biblical prophecy, right? They would they would add like, God told me to do this, God commands. It's like they it's like a checkmate because like if God told you to do this apart from his revealed will, which is the word, that means you're sinning and you're back in the spirit of fear as Paul is saying because God already revealed us his will and it's to believe in his son and to follow what he's already said. If you're adding more to that, don't you think you're like, like doing what Deuteronomy um forbids or just adding to the commands?

Yeah, it's an interesting argument. I'm not sure if I'd make that argument just because what about when you had say Agabus in the first century, he prophesied that there would be a famine over the entire world.

And so he was he was a prophet and there were different other times when the apostles would receive new information. Now, they are apostles, so that's obviously going to be different as well. I would where I would go with, I wouldn't necessarily say you're adding commands if they are, if they're like saying this is on the same level as scripture. That is doing what the Pharisees were doing. And that would be very problematic. I would just be going to like, how do I know that's from God? How do I know that thing that you said is going to, you know, some people, oh, you're going to do this in the future. You're going to do that in the future. They make these prophecies. Well, how do I know that's really from God? And so that's why I wouldn't put any stock or trust in those so-called prophecies.

I would say, look, I'm just going to base what's going to happen in the future on God's word, and whatever happens, it will be the Lord's will.

Because it's like they would they would tell you that you have to like listen to the Holy Spirit, which is true. The scripture does tell us that we have to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading. But it's interesting because they would say things like, the Holy Spirit led me to do this and that or AMB, but the the Holy Spirit's will is already in the word. Now, he won't speak word for word what the Bible says, but he will go with the word. That's what Martin Luther said. He would go so anything that he says will eventually, you know, be carried out with the context of what the word means, not apart from it. So, I think if the Holy Spirit's leading you to do something, it's like commanding you to do something. And if you disobey, aren't you adding a command? Yeah. I think we can only know what the Holy Spirit's will is just by going to sacred scripture. And I think it is very problematic when you have people saying, "Oh, I think God told me this. God told me that." And so often they're wrong. So often they're wrong. Now the issue is.

If you know even on Deuteronomy 18, if a prophet ever got something wrong, they were to be stoned to death. Like because God is not like if God speaks, he's not sometimes wrong. Every time God is right. And so true prophets always spoke the truth. Every time. But what's problematic is that so many of these people are like, "Oh yeah, this is going to happen to you." And then it doesn't turn out to be the case. Then that shows they're a false prophet. They shouldn't be listened to.

Exactly. So I was listening to this pastor named um Brian Wolfmeer. He was he was basically saying comparing how evangelicals and Catholics are subconsciously they they're like the same thing without them knowing. They're adding more commands and what Christ has already commanded us. You see the Roman Catholics though it is, you know, it is one of the oldest churches. We see that they fall into the era of adding more things just like the Pharisees did. So you see modern evangelicals though they completely deny that they're Roman Catholic, they're still subconsciously doing what Roman Catholics do, adding more commands. Only that the Roman Catholics have written them and only that the, you know, the evangelicals mostly Pentecostals are just coming up with them every day. So you both have these two systems where they're adding to the word and just putting people in fear.

Yeah, I think that can happen that anyone, doesn't matter particular their tradition or what background they have. It's possible for us to think because I do something, I have a particular tradition, therefore every other Christian must do the same thing.

Exactly.

Um, or people like they some people abstain from celebrating Christmas and so therefore they make that binding upon everyone else. You can't celebrate Christmas because just they don't, or vice versa, even. So I think we just got to be careful of that, not to put our own traditions as being on the same level as the word of God. Now, there can be wisdom commands. So you can be like, "Hey, look, I don't think it'd be right for you to go to that club." Why? Not that there's a command that says don't go to a club, because it may not be wise. Right? Because it could tempt you to sin there. There could be a whole lot of things that aren't going to be good. And so there's it's just be careful. But there's also important to be careful of making a distinction between what is a direct command of God and what you shouldn't do maybe out of wisdom, just for the sake of wisdom, maybe it wouldn't be good to do that, like it wouldn't be good to go down that street where there may be that wayward woman as Proverbs speaks about.

Because then you could easily be tempted and so keep away from that street.

Exactly. So like what would you say would be like the the will of God that every Christian must adhere to? Like the the will of God that is perfect for all Christians who believe in Jesus.

Well, all of sacred scripture. Everything what scripture speaks about is God's will. Like there's different verses that speak about the will of God, but it's not exhaustive. So you got like 1 Thessalonians 4:3, "This is the will of God, your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality." You got in chapter 5, verse 16, "Give thanks in all circumstances, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you." So there's different passages that talk about the will of God, the will of the Father. But in essence, every command, like "pray without ceasing," is the will of God.

Exactly.

You know, every single command that you read in scripture would be the will of God for you.

So yeah. I'm I'm just starting to like leave that sort of like um type of churches just so cuz I I want to have peace in the word of God and what Christ already did for me. Not that I have to add anything towards the table with these extra commands, but how would you like um advise that we listen to the Holy Spirit? Because I know he won't speak word for word with verses from the Bible, but that he will lead us to do stuff in accordance with the Bible. So, I'm just very like.

Yeah, I'd be a bit I'd be a bit cautious there. I say, um, that the Holy Spirit will speak to you through scripture. So every time you're reading the Bible, that's God speaking.

Living word.

Yeah. And so that's all that you need. And now it'll give you general principles. And now you have to use that God-given brain you have to try apply that to your specific scenarios in your life. When it says pray without ceasing, a general principle here. Okay. So how can I incorporate practically prayer into my life? Doesn't mean that 24/7 I'm praying. It just means that I'm praying regularly throughout my day, having an attitude of prayer. And so that's what I think. So you say the Holy Spirit's leading me up. I would be like, well, holy, the Holy Spirit has said pray without ceasing. And so therefore, I think the way to apply that to my life is to make intentional prayer times.

All right. Uh Titus 3:2 says, "Show perfect courtesy towards all people." So that's what the Holy Spirit's saying. So how do I apply that to my life? When I talk to my parents, when I talk to my friends, when I talk to this person, I'm going to try and be loving, kind, generous, all those sort of things to them in how I speak with them.

So, I had a different another question where it was um I'm studying more of like the reformers and such. I know that they're not infallible, but they are fallible people. But they did a lot to help the so the gospel might be given to lay people to people because we know that back then in the Roman Catholic Church only like very rich people can go because the indulgences and especially because it was mostly spread in Latin. Um, but they were saying stuff about like things of indifference where it would be like the Bible really doesn't condemn it or condone it, but it it doesn't really have to do with sin and salvation. It's just like fasting. It's something of indifference.

Where it would be you choose to fast, but it's not a thou shalt fast.

Correct.

But then too many, I've seen too many Pentecostal preachers are like, God told me to fast, meaning that now they must fast. But is that a command? Absolutely not. So they're.

Yeah. I I think again, Yeah. We got to not go beyond what scripture. Don't go beyond what is written. And if someone wants to choose to fast, they can. But yes, there's not a prescription of you must fast this amount of times or it's all optional. But but there are definitely definite commands in scripture of like prayer and other things that we're called to do. Yeah. So I would say you can read reformers, you can see what they say, but just realize that they have their flaws as well, just like every other Christian. Um, some, and you've even got Luther being a bit very quite unclear on the gospel in regards to baptism. He seemed to maybe potentially teach baptism as a requirement for salvation, which would be a denial of faith alone salvation if he's if that's what he truly held on to.

Um, so you see them as fallible men that God still used for his good purposes. He can use anyone. He could use a donkey even with Balaam to confront him.

Yeah.

Um, but just check everything what they say with scripture. Don't put them up as a on a pedestal where if they say it, you believe it. I've seen that tragically so often where people say, "I believe in a doctrine just because that guy said it because this, you know, reformer said it." I'm like, "The reformer could be wrong. Check it with the Bible. See if it's in scripture."

Yeah.

Well, yeah. Well, basically that's really.

I want to ask you then, so how sure are you, Andreas, that you're going to heaven?

100%. Well, the devil, you know, throws his little tactics obviously, but I mean, if it were to be true.

I'm 100% that Jesus died for me.

100%.

What do you mean if what do you mean if it were to be true? What do you mean?

I mean, sorry, I'm Hispanic guy, my my English. But I know that it's true that Christ died for humanity, that if we accept Christ and we have faith in his sacrifice and his resurrection, that we are completely justified in front of we can add nothing to the salv to to Christ salvation. So, if God says we're justified because of what Christ did for us, then we are fully justified in Christ. All we have to do is to love our neighbor because um and like you said, I just I really just like quoting the reformers because they they do say some important things. God doesn't require our good works. The people that need our good works are people like Jesus said so they can glorify God with our good works. God doesn't need our good works.

So then do so then do the good works play any part in getting you to heaven?

Absolutely not. All they do is demonstrate others of God's love.

Right? Do you have to get baptized to go to heaven?

Nah.

And what if somebody is trusting in faith and baptism to get to heaven? Where would they go?

Faith and baptism as in like the physical water or that they made the decision to trust in Jesus with the baptism?

Well, they're two different things. You don't make a decision to trust in Jesus with baptism. No, but I meant like if they say I'm going to like they the day they they go to get like confirmed, they say before they get baptized, they say I believe in Jesus Christ. Well, they're saved. They're just baptizing to show that they're saved. Like like yo, this is.

Sure. But I'm trying to say so the water baptism, if someone's thinking I've got to get water baptized to be saved or for salvation as well as having faith in Jesus, would they go to heaven?

Well, they're not fully trusting in Jesus Christ's sacrifice. They're believing in water because we can Bible clearly points evidence to this. The the the sac, the what is it? The not the Jew, the the thief, the thief on the cross.

He had no time to be baptized.

And if baptism was a necessary means of salvation, then the thief is screwed.

Right?

So we can see that.

Uh, yeah.

No, it's not necessary.

It's a good example. Yeah, I think God intentionally put the thief on the cross or had that incident happen so that we could know.

You can see remember accepting Jesus Christ by myself when I was 13 in my room and there was no water there. We can see. But if baptism is available to do, God recommends it. It's a beautiful thing to do it. It's a full immersion of water showing that we are reborn in Christ's blood.

Yeah.

But not something to be.

Exactly. So yeah, I'm 100%.

That's awesome to hear that, man. Thanks for coming up. I appreciate you asking your questions as well. God bless you, brother.

Keep going.

God bless. Very cool. All right, let's bring up next we got Caleb. Welcome, Caleb.

Happy New Year.

Yeah, you too, man. Happy New Year. What do you want to ask?

Yeah, well, I have a couple things that I would that I could ask you about, but the main thing that the other stuff depending on time, but the the main thing I want to ask about is PSA if you're open.

Sure. What what perspective are you coming from?

Eastern Orthodox Catechumen.

Oh, okay. What did were you were you anything prior to that?

Evangelical.

Ah, okay. You were evangelical. Yeah.

And going to Orthodox.

And I think the big issue with PSA, so for those wondering, that's penal substitutionary atonement. It's the idea that Jesus uh dies on the cross as our substitute. So taking our taking our punishment on the cross there. And so would you personally, do you reject that idea?

No, I believe in that idea. Oh, you do believe in that in that idea. So, you do affirm PSA.

I don't affirm PSA. I believe that um Christ took.

But that's what that's what PSA is, by the way. It's that Jesus on the cross took the punishment that we deserve for all the sins that we've done as our substitute.

So, in your view.

What what is the punishment that Christ took?

Well, we see that whenever we sin, we're storing up wrath. Romans 2:5, "Because of your hard and penitent heart, you're storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath, when God's righteous judgment will be revealed, he will render to each one according to his works."

Yeah.

God gives people the appropriate wrath for the sins that they've done.

So, punishment from God the Father.

Yeah. Punishment from God. Absolutely.

Okay. Awesome. I I just want to make sure I get your.

That's what it says. Like do you agree this is what like God is going to be punishing these people for?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you say that.

Our sins.

Is God's wrath though? Correct?

Yeah.

Would you say that we deserve damnation for our sins?

Uh, and just what do you mean by damnation? Like damnation being sent to hell.

Of course, we deserve hell.

Okay.

Yeah. It says Revelation 21 that all liars will have their part in the lake of fire.

Okay. Perfect. So, would you agree with that?

Do you agree? Do you agree with that or not? I just want to check.

Yeah, we deserve hell.

Okay. All right. And so, and that's where God pours out his wrath upon people. Is that correct?

Yeah. Well, I mean, we believe I'll I'll get back to the main topic in a second, but basically, we believe that God's wrath is um the same experience of the divine light or the divine energy of God, but instead of ever well-being for those who have lived their lives um willing to love God, um the people that experience that divine light that that's described at the end of Revelation that don't will to be with him, they'll experience that as ever ill-being. Right? So everyone experiences the love of God, but for those that for those that reject him, it's going to be wrath. Does that make sense?

That doesn't make any sort of sense to me.

It makes more sense that those in heaven receive God's love, but those in hell are not receiving God's love, but receiving his anger and justice.

But I'm I'm talking about at the at the escaton.

Sure. But even on judgment day, because what do we see when Christ escaton's judgment day. But my my question is then would you agree with the classical reformation teaching that Jesus was damned on the cross?

It depends what somebody means by that. Yeah. And so I I don't use that sort of language myself, but I just say Jesus took the punishment we deserve for our sins. That's the language I would use. Um, because it says when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. This doesn't seem like Jesus is showing love to these people. He's showing vengeance upon them.

Yeah. Um, so can a divine person be damned?

It just depends what you mean by that. I maybe take out the word uh damned there and just focus on can can Jesus take the punishment for our sins.

Yeah.

And I would say yes 100%. Because it speaks about in scripture.

Who does Jesus pay? Who does Jesus pay the legal debt to? Does he pay it to the Father?

Well, in terms of he gets what we ought to get. So you got passages like Colossians 2 which speaks about that he canceled the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside nailing it to the cross.

So who? The record of our sin?

Well, ultimately we we owe a debt, you could say, to God.

God the Father.

For our sins.

Yeah, you can say to God the Father. We can we can just say God.

God.

We owe God a debt for our sins and we, if we don't have it paid off by the time we die, we have to then pay it for all eternity in hell. Plus people probably be sinning in hell continually. So therefore even continually racking up further debt and therefore potentially increasing their punishment, making it worse for eternity. Uh, but Christ, by his death on the cross, could be pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities. And it speaks about it was it was the Lord who crushed him. Isaiah 53:10. It was the will of the Lord to crush him. He has put him to grief. Do you agree with that?

Yeah. I I mean, I agree with all the Bible.

Yeah. But do do you agree that the Lord? So God crushed his own son?

I agree that Jesus went willingly to the cross to atone for us. Yeah.

But did the Lord crush his own son?

No. The Father did not pour out divine punishment on the Son. That's the Trinity.

Are you believing verse 10 then?

Was the Father punished on the cross?

Well, with the hymn here, the pronoun him refers to the Son, Jesus Christ. Mhm.

And so the Lord, Yahweh, different times can refer to the Trinitarian, like all three persons, or it could refer to a specific person.

And so it seems to be referring then to the Father. The Father is crushing his son, Jesus Christ.

Perfect. So the son pays the father does. Was the So the Father was not punished on the cross, right?

No, the hymn, the crushing him.

Jesus. Yeah. Um, so if the Son experiences damnation on the cross and is punished by the Father, or set aside, damnation, um, did the Father, can you use the language of the scripture? Cuz I asked you, if you believe this, and you're like, yes, I rule the scripture. And I said, do you believe that the Lord crushed his own, crushed Jesus? Did the Father cease to, did the Father cease to indwell the Son?

But just, but just wait up. You're, you're saying you don't believe that specific line of this passage. Yes, I do. Yes. So then, it was the will of the Lord to crush Jesus Christ. Yes. So therefore, Jesus got crushed by the Lord. Jesus got crushed on the cross. Yes. By who? By us. Doesn't say that. Look who's doing it. "He has put him to grief. He's put him to grief." Not us has put him to grief. He has done it.

Yeah. So did the Father cease to indwell the Son on the cross? What depends what you mean by that? Well, the persons of the Trinity indwell each other, right? Do you, do you know this? It depends what you mean by indwelling, because that's not sort of, I, I want to go with the language of scripture if possible. Okay. So the Father is in me and I am in the Father. Sure. Okay. But in what, in what sense is he in him? They div. Yeah. Sure. If meaning in terms of one, did the Father cease to indwell the Son when he was damned on the cross, in your view? Well, Jesus didn't cease to be God, if that's what you're asking. So Jesus is fully God and fully man. Yeah. And so that doesn't preclude him from bearing the punishment from God for the sins that we deserve. So the Father was also bearing the punishment. Well, I don't see how you'd, you'd think that. Now, you could say that because the persons indwell each other. This is again, you're in, you're taking "I am in the Father and the Father is in me" to mean he's indwelling Jesus. Yeah, that's necessary, simply mean they are one being. They're one in one essence, they indwell each other. Well, I would say what indwelling each other, it depends what you mean. If you're saying they're the one being, that's fine. But that's different to saying that the Father was on the cross. It's like, do you think the Father was on the cross, or was it Jesus on the cross? It was Jesus. Okay. So therefore, if it's Jesus on the cross, it makes sense that the Father is crushing Jesus, as it says here in this verse. You don't have to say that the Father got crushed, but the Son got crushed.

Yeah. God willed for Jesus to take the punishment that we deserved. What, what we're where we're differing is what the words punishment, penalty, and debt mean. Does that make sense? But you're disagreeing with the fact that it says he has put him to grief. Yeah. You would interpret that as God the Father damning the Son, crushing his Son, as it says. It's just, lit. The text is on the screen there. I believe it that the Lord, it was the will of the Lord to crush him, and he has put him to grief. Yeah. I don't understand why you, but your philosophy, but your philosophy is like, because of this philosophical reason, therefore you don't want to accept what is saying there. No. Do you want, do you want to know what our view of all this means? I think where it's coming down to is if you don't think that Jesus took the punishment for your sins that you deserve from God, from God.

Um, the punishment that we receive from God is because of our iniquity. Be that's what Paul teaches, as in we've sinned against God and we deserve a punishment. We deserve the wrath of God for our sins. Correct? Yeah. We don't interpret wrath the way you do. We don't think that, we don't believe, we interpret wrath as love. That doesn't make sense. Wrath is the opposite of love. All right. Do you want to know? Do you want scripture for it? Yeah. But I think you haven't dealt with the scripture I've already brought up. Revelation. Revelation 14:10 is a good one. Um, Revelation 14:10, it says, "He'll also drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength in the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." So, what's happening here? This doesn't sound like God's love being poured out upon them. Yes. Well, the words wrath and anger there doesn't mean that God experiences wrath and anger like a human or that these are passionate or that these are passionate emotions. Right? So notice these people are experiencing this in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb, because hell, hell is run by God. It's not Satan right now. Hell's run by God. Okay. So God can create evil. Hell is not a place of evil. You think, you think punishment or judgment is an evil thing if it's from a holy God? Hell is, hell is a place of God's divine justice being done. So it's not run by the devil to, to, and he's tormenting people. It's God who torments people there. And that is a good thing. It is good when a judge sentences a criminal to prison. So it's good when a holy righteous God sentences people to his wrath in hell, eternal torment. Yeah. Praising God for that.

Yeah. We agree that God punishes people, but I mean, we're, we, we disagree on on the way that it happens. Does it make sense? So, we don't view God as like a passionate human exacting anger on people. People put themselves at the disposition to experience his divine light in a poor way. You are storing up for yourselves wrath. Right? When Paul describes people taking communion in an improper way, he says, "You are storing up wrath for yourselves on the day of judgment." There's nothing, God, God doesn't, God doesn't change. He's not, he doesn't experience passion. So if you go read through scripture, you'll see very regularly God, um, at different times like he's inflamed with anger and he's going to, those that's written from a human perspective to describe what they are experiencing.

So it's interesting you have this presupposition that God is not like this and therefore you're bringing that presupposition into how you're reading the Bible. When I'm just reading what the text says, it says that people are going to be drinking the wine of God's wrath, being poured full strength to the cup of his anger. This doesn't sound like they're getting his love. They're getting his anger, his justice. Um, even Psalm 2:12, it says, "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him." See that? Find refuge in him now. Kiss him. Otherwise, he's going to be angry and you perish.

So, so the Son has, the Son has to pay off a legal debt to the Father on the cross, as your position, right? Even though the persons indwell each other. Do you see how this would refute your position? I, I mean, no, that aligns with, that lines perfectly with everything that I've been saying. You're trying to say that God's not really, God doesn't really have anger. Yeah. Again, these are these are human authors trying to rationalize with what they are experiencing in time and space. So when, when it says God is holy, is that just a human thing that he's not actually holy? God is holy. Okay. Why are you suddenly taking holy, um, plainly, but then when it says he's angry? So you should always, so you should always take a plain simple reading of the text. No, what I'm trying, you should read the Bible plainly in in the genre in which it's written. But you seem to have this presupposition that God cannot be angry. How can God not be angry with the wicked every day as it says in scripture? Yeah. So again, you can, you can read the Bible in the context that it is written, and this is ancient text, right? And so you take his holiness literally, but not his anger. Yeah. And so you're reading your post-medieval nominalist reductionist presuppositions into the Bible gets you into a lot of problems. Can you give me a reason why you think God is not angry? You can describe God as being angry. So then God does pour out his anger on people, right? Uh, yes, we affirm that. You're inconsistent, man. You're so inconsistent. So if someone doesn't find refuge in Jesus, doesn't kiss the Son, is the Son going to be angry and is that person going to perish in the way because his quickly, they're experiencing anger that they're creating for themselves. So they're creating, so it's them anger. It's not the Son's anger. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. It's God's anger. Yeah. And mid-stop, mid-sentence. These shall be, for instance, in 2 Thessalonians 1:9, these shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of God. Who is inflicting vengeance? Remember? At God. Jesus was inflicting vengeance on them. He's not inflicting love upon them. He's inflicting vengeance. "Vengeance is mine, I vengeance," says the Lord. Vengeance is a negative experience of the divine light of God. Where does it say that in the Bible? Um, the Revelation passages that I brought up and 2 Thessalonians 1:9. This lit, man, this passage defeats your position. It doesn't support your position. Where do you see the love of God being shown here? I just see God's wrath being poured out. I don't see the love of God, the divine, everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power. Those are the divine energies. All of these, the passage that's on the screen. Where does it speak about the love of God? You pulled up 2 Thessalonians 1:9, right? Well, it's on the screen. Can you see the screen? Oh, you're on verse 10. This is Revelation 14:10. The one that you said I should read. I said, "Oh, 2 Thessalonians 1:9." No, but you said Revelation. The passage in Revelation. Sorry. This is the passage in Revelation. How does this prove the love of God? Yeah. That these all agree, these all agree with our position. Where, where does it describe the love of God here? I don't see it, man. This is not, the idea describes God's divine wrath and nothing about his love here upon these people. Yeah, I mean, the, the problem, the problem is we, we all believe what the words say, but what you read is the words. Yeah, what we read in the moment. Problem. Cuz to me, it just sounds like you have a philosophical system that you've adopted and therefore you're like, I'm going to try and interpret the Bible in light of that. So whenever it talks about anger of wrath of God, it's not God's anger. He's not really going to pour out wrath. It's people. Love. It really is anger. So is it God being angry with? Is God truly angry with someone? Okay. Silent.

Okay. Um, have a look at this. Psalm 7:11. "God is a righteous judge. And a God who just wait. If God is a righteous judge and a God who feels indignation, which is anger every day. God feels that every day. If a man does not repent, God will wet his sword." That means sharpen his sword. "He has bent and readied his bow. He has prepared for him his deadly weapons, making his arrows fiery shafts." This doesn't sound like receiving the love of God.

Yeah. I think, I think the issue that we're running into is you're, you're assuming again that God is truly angry in the way humans experience the passion of anger, right? So God's nature is unchanging and it is perfect. Now, whenever we have these metaphors or words throughout the Bible that seems to describe God repenting or God changing his mind or God becoming angry, he's not truly changing, right? God's nature doesn't change. The human writers that are writing these words are describing the effects that and their experience of God's holiness. Right? And the point, the point is that God's anger is corrective and not vengeful. It doesn't say, does not at all seem it's corrective. Particularly when he sends people to hell for eternity. It is not a corrective thing. It is under the wrath of God, under his torment forever. It's not corrective. It's punitive. It's punishment for what they've done wrong.

Yeah. So, God the Father must have changed God the Son on the cross, right? So, just wait up. God is not changing when he shows anger upon a person because God is consistently just, consistently righteous, consistently merciful, all those different things. But he can show mercy at different times. He can show mercy today to this person in this way, but then tomorrow not that same mercy. That doesn't mean God somehow changed because he showed mercy today and not tomorrow. It's just that he can show different ways of mercy or different forms of justice, um, at different times. It's not, it doesn't mean a change though.

Yeah. I mean, it's, it's all dependent on how we receive him. Okay. Yeah. I just think I, I take this as it says that God, if a man does not repent, God's going to actually punish them. He's got, he's, he's got this punishment coming. But ultimately, my care for you, my friend, is that I want you not to receive the true wrath of God. I don't want you to end up in eternal lake of fire where God's tormenting you for all your sins.

Yeah. Can we get back to PSA? But do you think that you deserve that punishment for your sins? Yeah. And in your view, Jesus deserved damnation and punishment from God the Father, right? No, he doesn't deserve it. I'm just trying to say, do you deserve, do you deserve eternal torment from God for your sins? I, I deserve the effects of sin, which are death. No, you didn't answer my question. Do you deserve eternal torment for your sins? Yes. So God tormenting you forever day by day. Yes. Mike. The, uh, yes. So therefore, not receiving love from God day by day, but torment, wrath, it's a negative exper, it's a negative experience of the divine energy of God at the at the resurrection. Yeah. Notice you, you've got all this baggage that you're trying to, you have reductionist nominalist baggage that you're reading into the text. I'm just reading from the text. I'm not going to. Well, my Orthodox church says this. And you're assuming, you're assuming a plain simple reading of the text. But do texts operate like that? Well, I think if we read the text, scripture in context of the entirety of scripture, scripture helps us interpret what scripture is saying. I think you'll come to understand because we are called to live not by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. But to me, it sounds like you're living more by what your church is saying rather than what scripture is saying.

Yeah. So Jesus needs to take the punishment from God the Father, right? The Father crushed his own Son. And how does this not cause the Father to, it? Nothing in the scripture would say that this would split the Trinity, if the Father, Jesus being our substitute. If the Father dams the Son on the cross. Again, that's not language that I use. Let's not use that. So let's stick with biblical language used. Ryan, it doesn't matter what the reformers say from the Reformation. No, let's deal with what the Bible says. This is where you keep getting mistakes, sir. You're actually concerned about, well, what does this person say? I'm saying, well, what does God say? What does his word say? It says here in 1 Peter 3:18, "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God." Ryan, I don't disagree with that. Who is? Okay. So who is the unrighteous here? We are. Okay. Who is the righteous? Christ. So, is he then our substitute? Yes. Yes, he is. All right. Okay. So you agree with the S already? Christ is our substitute. Nice. Okay. And so, what is he suffering for? Death for our sins. Yeah. For our sins. Okay. And so what do our sins deserve? Uh, death and separation from God. God's wrath. God's wrath. The wrath that we're storing up. Remember, God's wrath is going to be poured out. So, so therefore, our sins deserve God's wrath. And so if you agree that he's our substitute, then therefore he is getting the wrath of God for our sins. Very plain and obvious. This is not a Reformation idea. This is just a biblical idea. First Peter, it is a Reformation idea, Ryan. The Reformation idea that God the Son. You think this is from the reformers. First Peter 3:18. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I, I actually think the reformers wrote 1 Peter 3:18. That's what I said. Okay. Well, man, how do you think you're going to avoid, because I want to give others a chance to come up as well. How do you think you're going to avoid ending up in hell? Um, Lord Jesus Christ, Son of uh God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Okay. And so, why would that get you to heaven? Why do you think God should let you in rather than someone else who goes to hell? Christ s, Christ, Christ will be the one that saves me. Okay, but why will you be going to heaven specifically as a Ryan, I don't want the gospel preached to me right now. I want you to answer some questions. Wow. That's revealing. That is revealing. Orthodox Church believes is saying I don't want the gospel. Don't want to hear that gospel message. Well, I don't want to hear your, I don't want to hear your gospel, Ryan. Oh, the biblical gospel. Man, this, it's interesting that you despise the gospel. Yeah. Right. If your Orthodox joining the Orthodox church is making you despise the gospel, I think there's something wrong. Yeah. So why will you specifically go to heaven as opposed to someone else who, because of Christ? But why? Why? Why? Because of Christ for you, but opposed to that other person? Faith in Christ. What do you mean by faith in Christ? Um, coming under the covenantal relationship with Christ. What does that mean? Faith and doing his commands, doing what he requires of us. So because you're doing his commands, doing what he requires, therefore he can let you into heavens as opposed to somebody else. Do you see how then that would give you a reason to boast? No. It's a law of grace. But it's still you doing that. And if you don't do it, you don't get it. So therefore, it's still your obedience. That's, Can you name any covenantal relationship in the Old Testament that there weren't requirements for? Yeah. The one with Noah. Remember when God made a covenant in Genesis 9, there was no stipulations for Noah. It was just, there were no unilateral covenant. There wasn't. Have you read it? The covenant that God made with Noah in Genesis chapter 9, the covenant was that God says, "I will never flood the earth ever again." Here we go. "I will establish my covenant with you that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth." And this is the sign of the covenant I make between you and every living creature for all future generations, and that's the rainbow. There was, there was no stipulations on the animals' part or on Noah's part. It was only a covenant God made a promise he made. Nothing Noah had to do. So when Noah built the ark and followed all of his commandments, this is not the covenant I'm talking about, my friend. I'm talking about the covenant that God made with Noah after the flood that he would never flood the earth again. So after Noah obeyed God. Yeah. We see that there was a covenant. We're talking about, you said, is there any covenant which is where it doesn't have any stipulations for you, like both parties? Well, this is an example of one where God is the only one who's keep, who's made the promise and there's nothing on Noah's part or the animals' part that they had to do in order for there not to be a flood upon the earth again. No, every saint in the Old Testament had to follow God's commands. And this isn't in, you're now just, you're now changing the goalposts. So, do you now concede that this covenant in Genesis 9, that there'll be no more flood upon the earth? It's a covenant by faith. So, do you agree that this is only God making the promise and that Noah didn't have to do anything to make sure there was no flood again in the future? Yeah, sure. There we go. Okay. So, if God can make a covenant here with Noah, which is a unilateral covenant, only God promised and Noah didn't have to do anything, then God can even make salvation like that. And that's what he does with Abraham. Abraham believes that he'll have offspring as many as the stars of the sky. And God counts that faith to him as righteousness. It's interesting Paul uses that in Romans 4, right? But then Paul quotes that in Romans 4 to say, yes, if we share that same faith, we too will be counted with that same righteousness. And James, and I'm not bringing, I'm just mentioning this. James also quotes from, um, Genesis 15, right? So Paul, we can both agree that Paul and James teach the same thing. Um, so that was only by faith that he was counted as righteous. So in your view, people transition from being under wrath to being under grace, right? You're in two states. Is that your view? Well, in Ephesians 2, it mentions that we are children by nature, children of wrath. Uh, in verse three, we're carrying out the bodies, carrying out the desires of the body and mind. We're by nature children of wrath like the rest of mankind. Y, but then, but God, even with dead in our trespass and sins, made us alive together with Christ. Correct. Okay. Perfect. So in Genesis 15 is when Abraham was credited as righteous and saved in your view, right? In Genesis 15, it says, yeah, he believed God has counted him as righteousness. Really? It does say Genesis after three chapters of, after three chapters of Abraham doing good works. Yeah. He believed the Lord here. Believe what? Have a look. The promise. "So shall your offspring be." That was the promise given. And he believed the Lord and he counted to him as righteous. And that's, and that's when he was saved in your view, right? That's how he was counted as righteous. Not in any of the three preceding chapters, even though he sacrificed. It doesn't say anywhere in Genesis 12, 13, or 14 that he was counted as righteous. We just go based on what scripture says. And scripture says he was counted as righteous when he believed here in Genesis 15. So in Genesis 12, when the Lord called Abraham to, Abraham, then to go out from your country, and he makes the same promises, "I will make of you a great nation and make your name great." And then he went and did as the Lord instructed. And in the next three chapters, he built altars to God and sacrificed to him. He wasn't saved, is what you're saying. He wasn't counted as righteous yet. Okay. He wasn't, like, he wasn't saved. There are people, there are people who can do. Yeah. This should be, this should be obvious. And so the reason is, we have to go with what scripture says. People can do things for God. You can see people go out and do missionary work for God. They can, they can work at soup kitchens and not actually be counted. So he didn't trust in God until Genesis 15. No, that's not what I'm saying. He didn't believe the Lord's promise of which God justified him through that promise. But he did. He absolutely. Right. People can, I'll give you an example. Someone can believe that there's going to be a judgment day, that Christ is going to return one day. So they can have that faith that there's going to be a judgment day, Christ will return, and still not be justified. But in Genesis 4:12, Abram clearly believed what God said and put his full trust in him and did as he said. I understand that he, he, he had faith in God. But not all kinds of faith justify you. As I said, you can have God accepted his worship. That's fine. But that doesn't mean that he's justified. You see, okay, think of it this way. Like someone can believe that God is, Jesus is all powerful, that Jesus is 100% true in everything he says. So he has faith in that. But that's still not a faith that justifies you. Yeah. Okay. Let me make this a lot. So, therefore, I have to go with. Notice I'm going with what the text of scripture says of when he was counted as righteous. But you're having to ignore it. No, we agree with that. Do you want to know what our view of that is? So was he counted as righteous on the basis of believing? Yes. So that's theosis. And Paul and James teach the same thing. It's counted as righteous. Wait, it doesn't say theosis here. It just says he was as righteous. It's ontologically Abraham being changed from the inside to actually become more righteous. Right? This is the, this is the difference. Counted it to him as righteousness. So it's a counting. You're assuming a postmodern reading of this. And that is why Alistair McGrath in his book, Eustace Day, admits that the ancient world could not have taught solid. It was not possible. I'm taking this, I'm taking this from what it says here. It says counted it to him. And I'm taking how Paul uses it as well in Romans 4:3. "Abraham believed God and was counted to him as righteousness." Yes, that's Abraham being made more righteous before God. It doesn't say becoming more righteous. It's a counting. It's a reckoning. Even verse six, "Just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works." It's about a counting, a reckoning, not, oh, you become more righteous. How is he becoming more righteous at that second by just believing God's promise? Through, it's, it's clear Abraham is a sinner just like the rest of us. No, it's not. We're all. You don't think Abraham sinned? Do you think Abraham ever sinned? Yes, Abraham sinned. Okay. So therefore, Abraham is a sinner, but then he's believing God's promise. And on the base of just believing that promise, God's like, I'm counting you as righteous. Even though you're still a sinner, Abraham, I'm counting you as righteous. And therefore, after three works, after three chapters of works obeying God. Sure. Just like we all do works. I did a bunch of works. I ate breakfast many times before I got saved. That doesn't, those works don't justify me. So just because Abraham, even many people go to church for many years before they get saved. Those works of going to church, participating in church activities do not justify them. We have to go based on what tech, the scripture of Texas say. Scripture says everyone agrees, believe God and count him as righteousness. And so if you want to stand before God and say, God, I've been obedient. I've done what you've told me. That's not what I'll say, Ryan. Well, I asked you before about why you'll go to heaven as a, as opposed to someone who won't, and you mentioned your obedience, which means you're relying on yourself to get you to heaven, which won't work. So, my encouragement will be to have a humble heart and see your own sin and your own lack of obedience because we all fail in obedience. Stop preaching to me. And therefore, wow, you don't want to hear the gospel. That's sad. But I hope that you'll see your own sin and then put your trust in Jesus as the only reason that he took the punishment that you should get and on his righteousness alone you can get to heaven. But thanks for the chat. God bless you, man. Wow. How amazing this Orthodox gentleman was like, don't share the gospel. Don't, don't talk about the gospel. That's revealing. And you could see his attitude throughout it of just pride and condescension when my heart for him is I want him to be saved. I want him to come to know the saving message of Jesus that it's not about your obedience, not about what have you done for God. We've failed. We've done terrible things. It's what God has done for us in Christ. So what are you going to trust in? I hope for that Orthodox gentleman, he's going to no longer trust in anything about himself. Not his church going, not his sacraments, not his good works, but the finished work of Jesus. That's his only hope of going to heaven. And once he, once he does, you'll find him a much joyful person. Because that's what happens once you know you're going to heaven. You're just a happier, joy. You have a deeper root of joy because you know you're going to heaven. The Orthodox Church says you can't know if you're going to heaven, which is why you don't see them with the same sort of joy that you see Bible believing Christians as. So, let's pray for him. Heavenly Father, do you pray for that man? Lord, do you pray that you would bring him to yourself? Save him out of the darkness, the enslavement to his institution where he's having to disregard your word because his church says that he, uh, his church says something he's just having to hold on to that. May he find the freedom and rest that there is in Christ. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Hey, look who's here. Before I bring up the next person, I'm going to bring up Harmony. Hey, welcome back, Harmony. I made it. Hey, so she just traveled today from Australia back to the US. Arrived back safely. Hey, praise God. How are your, your cats happy that you're home? I don't think they recognized me at first, but now they can't stay off of me. That is hilarious. Hey, so good, uh, that you arrived home safely and so great that you could serve with us in Australia throughout the month you're over here. That was so good. It's such a wonderful time. And so, thank you guys in the chat. We've been praying for Harmony and the travels and so on. So, good to see you, Harmony. God bless. All right, let's bring up our next person. Welcome, Connor. Hey, Connor. Hey, man. How you doing? Good to have you here. Yeah, I can hear you loud and clear, man. I was on here like, um, couple months ago. I forgot when. Um, but yeah, I was just asking about, how I have a new question. Um, what does it mean by like God's will? Cuz like obviously you can sin and go into a season of sin as a believer in Christ, you know, and are you technically going out of his will because you're doing things that he wouldn't want you to do? Like, does that make sense?

Yeah. So I think it's really important to see that there's a distinction between the will of God, uh, in terms of his revealed will, like do not lie, do not steal, do not murder. That's his revealed will and his sovereign will, whatever he allows to take place in his universe because God permits things, right? He permits people to sin. Not that he, he told them to sin, they choose to and he's like, "Okay, fine." He gives people over even Romans 1 to sin. Mhm. And so there's the sovereign will, whatever transpires, and his revealed will. Revealed will being like, this is the will of God, your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality, controlling your body in holiness and in honor, not in passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God. That's God's revealed will. And yet, do Christians still sometimes lust? Yeah. Mhm. And so that can be his, he's permitted that to occur, but God is going to be growing us and sanctifying us day by day. And so if a person like a follower of Christ does, cuz you know, there's there's true followers of Christ that do fall into seasons of sin. Um, obviously they're not going to continue in it forever because then they're most likely not, that they're not saved. But it leads to believe if they're really just not caring at all, it shows that they don't really have the love of Christ in them most likely. Um, does that then he discip, he disciplines his children basically, right? Yeah. Hebrews 12. Um, yeah, the Lord disciplines the ones that he loves. Um, it's for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? So therefore, God is disciplining us for our good. And is that, can that be mental, you know, physical? Like, what, what does that mean? Like by the, because obviously it's not like discipline in terms of salvation because we have salvation alone in Christ Jesus because he paid for it all. Yeah. So this discipline would be if we are being wavered in our behavior and we're proud of it. So just because you sin doesn't mean you're necessarily going to get discipline from God. But if you are stubborn in that sin, proud of it, have every interest in continuing on it, that's where the discipline of the Lord may come in to help you to have a change of heart and change of mind. It's also where church discipline may come in as well, where you have people confronting you privately, bringing two or three witnesses, then and then telling to the church. The purpose is to get you to change your mind of your over your sin if you're being proud about it and wanting to continue in it. Okay, that makes sense. Okay. Um, and before, um, I think this was like a couple months ago, I came in here because I was trying to figure out what repentance meant and all that sort of stuff. Um, I realized my whole life I never had true belief because I believed in the true gospel, but I, I thought I did because I fell into a works-based salvation. And you don't fall into that unless you were never saved to begin with. Um, and that was hard for me to grasp this whole time. Um, but now I do truly believe in Jesus Christ alone for my salvation. Praise God, man. And it, cuz I grew up like believing that. I heard about it and I believed it. Um, but I always thought me getting baptized was the, you know, like the last nail. Even though people told me that's not it. I, I heard so many other people say, "No, that's what saves you." Blah, blah, blah. And listening, so much false doctrine out there, isn't it? Insane how much false doctrine. And, and it's like, I do feel, I feel bad for obviously people who listen to them, but I also feel bad for people who teach it because they themselves are lost. Only very few of them, I think, are doing it straight out of pure hatred, you know? Um, but yeah, I just need to pray for those type of people. Yeah, definitely. Like even Paul tells us that with our opponents, 2 Timothy 2, 2 Timothy 2:25, he says, let's bring it up, that we should be correcting our opponents with gentleness. So, you know, we are to potentially like God may save them. It's possible God may even save those who preach a false gospel, those who teach baptism is an extra requirement or other works. And so that's why in my discussions with people, I'm going to try and be gentle and kind, still uncompromising on the truth and clear when I need to call out things, but it's up to God whether he grants them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. Knowledge of the truth is I know I'm going to heaven. I know that, you know, Jesus is the only way and resting in him is how I go there. But so many people, you see so many different apologists and Christian people on YouTube who are forever learning but never able to arrive a knowledge of the truth. And that, that was, that was that was me at first. I thought I had the knowledge of the truth and I thought I believed. But because I fell into a false gospel and now I, I truly do believe. I realized my whole life I haven't had true belief, which is crazy to wrap my mind around. Um, but thank God that he, uh, granted me repentance. Open your eyes. Amen. Yeah. God is good. I just wanted to figure out what letting his will be done means. Um, so yeah. Does is that basically, yeah. So when we, when we pray that in the Lord's prayer, "Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." That would be, well, in heaven obviously, whatever God reveals happens. Like his revealed will perfectly happens in heaven. But on earth, his revealed will doesn't always happen. God says, "Don't do this," and people do the opposite. So when we say, "Your will be done," it's saying, "May your revealed will be done more here on this earth, just like it always is up in heaven." Oh, okay. So sometimes his will on earth, people don't follow it. They go on a different path. Oh, yeah. All the time. If someone obviously, and I, I probably do that every other day. Um, but if someone catches themselves, realizes that they've done wrong, and not just pray that, but truly believe like and lets tries to follow in his ways, then he's, they're back on his will. And that doesn't mean that they weren't saved, but it means that they weren't living a life for him, right? Yeah. Yeah. So a verse that comes to mind is in Colossians 1, where in verse 9, it says, "And so from the day we heard heard of their faith, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will." That's his revealed will, in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God. So this is what Paul prayed for the Colossians that as soon as he heard of their faith in Jesus, he's been praying that they can know what God's revealed will is, particularly because they don't have the full benefit of having the entire scriptures like we do. Yeah. But yeah, he's praying that they would know how does God want them to live so that they could be fully pleasing to him. Now, I don't think we'll be fully pleasing in every way here. There's obviously going to be sin that we'll still do, but we can increase in our knowledge of God, increasingly please him as time goes on, as we learn more of scripture, which is why I think it's so important Christians read their Bible every day and then seek to apply it to their life. Do you think that if someone was walking in a way of disobedience and they obviously they know of Christ, but then they realize, you know, I've sinned so much against him and they follow in his ways. Do you think the consequences of worldly punishment can change in a way? Like, I don't know how to explain it, I guess, um, I wouldn't. So there can be punishment from governments, right, for breaking the law. But I don't think God punishes a Christian, those who have their trust in Jesus, he takes 100% of our punishment. But there can be earthly consequences for our sins. I think that's the distinction I would make there. So if you just lie a lot, people don't trust. That's an earthly consequence. If you do something that's bad, you, God may make you sick as an act of discipline, but I wouldn't call it a punishment. Okay. So mainly consequences of worldly, worldly things. And do you think he can, I don't know, take those away if you go back on his path? I guess that makes sense. I don't know how to explain. He could. Yep. God is good. Right. Um, you have that in, what is it in First John? I think where it mentions that where if somebody is sick, call the elders of the church and they can pray for them and, and if they've forgiven, if they've committed sins, they'll be forgiven. You know, basically their health is restored. So if somebody has been doing sin against some people and God made them sick as a result of that, by them having that change of heart and change of mind and people praying for them, God can be, um, reversing the scenario for them. God is good. God is good. Yeah, that's, that's basically all I wanted to ask, man. Uh, God bless you. You have a good night, man. All right, thanks, man. God bless you. All right, let's bring up Hunter. Welcome, Hunter. Hi, Ryan. Hey, man. Um, good. I had a question for you about, um, the, I think it's Matthew 7, the Lord, Lord thing. Um, well, I guess it's not really a question. It's just my interpretation. But I was reading the Bible and I seen something about, do you know about the sons of Keva? Is that how you say it? Yeah. Um, yeah, they're in, um, what? Acts, um, Acts chapter 19, I believe. Um, they tried to cast out a demon and the demon attacked them. So I was wondering, do you think when they say that to Jesus about them casting out demons, I was thinking it would be like prosperity gospel people who have like people just shaking on the ground and it's not real because I would think that only the elect or believers would actually be able to cast out demons.

Yeah, that's a, that makes sense. But there is an interesting line from Jesus in a couple of the gospels when he says, "If I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore, they will be your judges." So amongst the Pharisees, I think he seems to be talking to all the scribes. The he's saying that their sons cast out demons or at least they may claim to cast out demons anyway. And he's saying if I do it by Beelzebub, doesn't that mean that your sons might be casting them out by Beelzebub? He's kind of reversing the argument back on them. And it doesn't maybe necessarily imply that those sons were true saved born again believers. So I think in regards to Matthew 7:22, it could be when they say, "I cast out demons in your name," it could be that they're just professing to, they're claiming to. Could be. So they might be lying, trying to lie to Jesus. Possible. Possible. That's, Or maybe God could have allowed these people, unbelievers, to cast out demons if he wanted to. Um, or at least they thought they were casting out demons. Like they, they maybe they weren't lying. Maybe they were sincere. Yeah. In thinking they were casting out demons, but they were just mistaken about it because maybe Satan was trying to do some sort of trick and pretend as if a demon was being cast out. They thought that could be another option as well. Yeah. I thought it was like, um, like when they just have people shaking on the ground and it's not real. Sure. Yeah. I, yeah, that's true.

That could be an example of that, where some people I talked to a guy. He's like, "Oh, yeah. Some people think that Christians can have demons possessing them. True born again Christian." I'm like, "No, that's absurd."

Oh yeah. I was arguing with. And so these people are like, "Oh, you got back pain. Oh, you got a demon. Let's get the demon rid of you out of you." And so then, oh, you don't have back pain anymore. They think that's that's people who think they're casting out demons, but I don't think that would be casting out a demon out of a true Christian.

Um, I have one more and then that's all I had to ask. Uh, so I have a friend, he's a Christian also and he's really been struggling with addiction and um, I was looking at St. Mark X. I don't know, I think it's like a Catholic saint, but besides the point. um he like struggled with addiction until he died and my friend's really been struggling with it. And um he told me to tell you like he feels like it's different than any sin because like other sins you don't like withdraw and feel ill ill if you don't do it. So um I just wanted to know if you had like any encouragement for him that I could tell him.

Yeah. Um so in terms of Yeah. Don't pray to a saint first of all. Some people do that. Some people like, "Oh, this saint did this." And so therefore, they start praying to I've even seen Catholics where um when someone's ill, like, "Hey, can can you pray to this person?" So, not pray to God. Can you pray to this person?

Like, >> God, >> I was talking to someone on Facebook cuz we were arguing and they were talking about they uh pray to the saints. And I was like, "That's crazy. The saints know like over 50 languages and are hearing all of y'all all over the world at once. That's crazy. It's like they're omniscient. Yeah, that's funny.

Um, yeah. So, in regards to he said addictions are different. Well, it's just because our body has could become dependent upon what the addiction is. >> Mhm. >> And so, that's why your body has withdrawals if you're not doing that that activity or that action or whatever it is. So, it may be stronger. And this is why if you are not struggling with certain sins, you can praise God for that. that God's like actually spared you from falling into those sins just because you know it is a it reminds me of in Proverbs where God gives people over and it's like God will forbid you or or keep the forbidden woman away from you but for those who displease God gives them over to the forbidden woman. So rather than thinking, oh, these people are getting what they want by sleeping around, just you can look at them with sympathy and pity saying, wow, you know, they're they're being given over to the lust of the flesh and praise God that he saved me from indulging in that. Right? So, so turn it around. They try and turn around as wow, look at people can sin and how enjoy much enjoyment they're getting. We can see it from a God's perspective. are look how much they're dishonoring their body and how they're making themselves enslaved to these different practices. So, praise God that God's it kept you away from different addictions. Even if you struggle with some, you can praise God that you're not addicted to other things.

But then I think having support of Christians around you could be really helpful to overcome different addictions. Accountability, but then replacing the time you may spend on those addictions with something good and wholesome. So don't just take something out of your life and then you got a big void and you're not sure what to do with your time. Um but replacing it with things that are much better would be a key so that you don't just have the bodily urge to have to go back to that that sin. So some people withdraw they they take themselves away. They even go to like some if it's drug abuse they go to rehab. And that can be helpful to get people off certain addictions. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But having the support of believers around you, being open with them, hey, this is what I'm struggling with and this is what I want. Can you pray for me? I had a man I a friend of mine who he was he wanted to get rid of smoking. Like he didn't want to smoke anymore. And so he told everyone in his church that he's trying to quit smoking. And so can you pray for him? And because of that, he therefore never smoked ever again. The reason is is because he knew that his church family would be continually asking him, "How you doing with this? We're praying for you. How you doing?" And and there because of that support, it helped him never to do it ever again. So maybe that's a suggestion. Cool. Well, thank you, Hunter.

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Hey, what's going on? >> Hey, man. Good to have you here. What do you want to ask about today? >> Yeah, so I put in the chat or in the private chat about um the work of God. >> Okay. So my perspective on that is it differs from yours. So I just wanted to talk about that for a little bit. And I do have some other questions if we can get to it. >> Well, you said it's God that is that makes people believe or that it's God's work. >> And I think if you look at other Bible translations, >> God grants repentance and stuff like that. Yeah. >> Yeah. So if you look at other Bible translations, I think you'll begin to see it from my perspective better. >> So do you think salvation do you think salvation is of the Lord or do you think salvation is of us? >> Uh can you rephrase that? Like that's I don't I don't know exactly what you mean by that. >> H So is salvation a work of God or is it a work of us? >> Well, God Yes. Yes. So God saves but it's our it's the it's the faith of the believer. It's our work to believe. That's what he requires of us of the believer. >> And if you do do you think Okay. Okay. So just to clarify, so do you think that our salvation is dependent upon at least one work on our part? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And that work is to believe. And if if you look at different translations of John 16, I think that's problematic. >> I think that's hugely problematic to think that just because you're believing in a worksbased salvation. >> No. No. Because believing is is uh is a work of faith. It's not a work of of the the work of faith is not >> believing is not a work at all. Like Romans 4:5 makes >> it's a work of faith is what I'm saying. So it's not a it's not a work of like our a physical deed or action. >> But it where does it describe faith as a work at all? Like in terms of when go to this verse first and to the one who does >> and to the one who does not work >> but believes in him who justifies the ungodly his faith is counted as righteousness. So according to this verse here is a person working when they believe. >> No the believing is the work right? It's a work of faith like I said. So if you go to John, go to John 6:29 >> just before before you go there. >> Yeah. >> Based on this verse here, is this person working and believing or working by believing or is he not working but just believing? >> He's I I agree with that verse. He's not doing a phys the person is not doing a physical work. It's not a physical work. >> No work. So, so, so therefore faith cannot or believing cannot be work because it's making a distinction between >> so again the work that God requires of us is to believe that's a work of faith it's not a physical action >> but that's how if we don't work we just believe we get counted as righteousness because if we are justified by works have a look at verse two if Abraham was justified by works he has something to boast about so if you want to make work any work even whether it's 10 works or just one work as an as a requirement for justification, then you would have something to boast about is the point. >> Well, I think that's referring to physical actions, physical deeds. >> Well, that's what work means. Work means like deeds or actions, right? That's what that's what work is. >> Yeah, that's physical work, not not a work of faith. >> You keep saying work of faith. Actually, giving to the poor, you could say, is a work of faith. >> You know why? >> I disagree. >> Because it's work that you do as a result of faith. So, it's a work of faith. >> Well, but it's a physical action. You're actually giving. You're working to give that money. >> Sure. But it's whatever charity. >> So, it's a because the word work just means a deed or an action. So, it's a work that you're doing as a result of your faith in Jesus. That's all of our works are works of faith. and they've good works. >> Well, do you mind uh going to John 29 and looking under a different translation? I have you can look under uh New Living Translation uh common English version, >> which is a paraphrase, which is a paraphrase. >> Yeah. Um I I agree. But my point is if you look at it from those translations, you get my perspective, not yours. >> Well, let's read out John 6:29. I've got here. Um Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God that you believe in him whom he has sent." I think this is >> and you're under ESV, right? >> Yeah. This is the ESV. So, this is not saying this is work that you're doing. This is the work of God. So, work God's doing >> that you believe. >> Yes. And I think that is >> it's easier to see it from your perspective under that verse rather than different translations that I'm pointing to that um if you read it from different >> think believing is maybe let's ask what do you think faith or believing is? Believing is being fully convinced of uh whatever you're believing in. >> So therefore, faith is not a deed or an action. >> Faith is not something that you faith is a conviction. No, it's not even physical. It's not even some sort of >> it's not even any any action or deed. It's a conviction you have being fully convinced in your heart that Christ died to pay for your sin. There's no deeds or act. In fact, the word work in Greek is urggon. And if you look at like any really any Greek lexicon, it'll say it's in contrast to rest. So either you're working or you're resting. So therefore, if we have our trust in Christ, are we working to gain that salvation or are we resting in that salvation? >> I agree. We're resting. So it's just our >> So therefore, it's not work. It's not work then my friend. >> It's not a physical work. I agree. Yes. >> No, it's not work at all. The Bible doesn't doesn't ever describe that we have to do any works to be saved because if we did, we we cannot we come under Romans 11:6. If it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace. So, as soon as you make even one work a necessary condition for salvation, it is not grace anymore. >> I agree. if you're talking about physical work. But >> no, it doesn't say phys. You're inserting something into it. It just says works, per se. >> No, that's that's what that's what works is. It's physical. Not not mental. It's not um it's not related to faith. >> Well, works doesn't have to just be physical. So, if you pray in your mind, that would still be a work. >> And if you make salvation based on a prayer that you have to make in your mind, it's still not grace-based salvation. Man, >> so you believe so belief and uh faith you believe those are like synonyms, right? >> Yes. >> So, so believing I was saying exact. Exactly. So that's what I'm saying is it's not it's not physical. So if you're if you're saying um you have faith >> so therefore why would you that's why I just don't think you should say it's a work at all because if you make it on the basis of any work whether it's baptism or any other work it's not grace. So don't if you agree that if Romans 4:5 is true that to the one who does not work but believes then it'd be just best to say look I didn't do any works to be saved. Otherwise, you'd have to say, "I did one work to be saved, and therefore, the credit goes to you." >> Well, it's because it's not really our credit because it's God that's the Holy Spirit that's working on our hearts to make us uh to convict us of our sin, right? >> Sure. But, and that's why I'm saying it sounds like you're saying it's the work of God then. It's not your work. It's the work of the spirit. >> It's the work of God that's convicting us, right? But we still have to make that choice to believe. Well, who's the one who think this is the perspective >> grants us repentance? Would you say do you think God has to grant us repentance? >> He he does, but he has done that on the cross. That's what he's drawn people to to him on the cross. >> No, not to everyone. Have a look in this passage here. We should be correcting our opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. This is not talking about on the cross. This is talking about with individuals, God's going to perhaps grant them repentance. So that's why we should be gentle as we try and correct them and they may come to salvation as a result. >> Well, what is it? John 16, I believe it's 8 is >> what? >> So do you first of all before you go to that just just before like do you agree that it's actually up to God to perhaps he doesn't do this for everyone. >> He's got to he decides for grants. >> Well, it doesn't say tonight. It just says whoever he determines he will perhaps grant them repent. In fact, it sounds like if they're an opponent of the gospel, they don't sound like they're humble. They sound like they're probably pretty proud. But God can soften their heart. Like that's what he did with me. That's what he did with everyone who's here who's saved. He softened our hearts to come to realize that, man, I'm terrible. I'm a wretch. I should be in hell. And then he made us pay attention to the gospel. >> He granted us even that desire to want to believe it. >> And so that's why we chose to believe the gospel. But when I when I say I chose to believe the gospel, it's not I chose to do a work or I did a work to be saved. >> It's I'm resting in Jesus to be saved. He's done everything. >> I agree. Like I said, it's not it's not physical. So it's nothing we can brag about because it's um because we're being convicted. >> But mental works you could also brag about. You realize? So let's say it was as I mentioned praying. If you someone says you got to pray five times a day to go to heaven in me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me mentally in your head. Well then that would still be a worksbased salvation and that would be a false gospel. >> Well praying could be physical too. So that's not >> well how if it's something mental just happening in your in your mind you're not even moving. >> You can pray physically verbally or you can pray in your mind. >> Someone mentally if someone's praying in their mind they're not even moving. Wouldn't you still class that as workspace salvation? If someone says you got to do that mental prayer five times a day, >> I mean that is works based, but that's that's >> that's because that's that's because praying can be physical though. Faith cannot be physical. >> No, no, but just wait up. I'm saying even if someone says don't have to physically do anything. You just mentally got to pray five times a day to get to heaven. >> Yeah, but you can't relate to work salvation. Correct. There is no faith that's physical, right? It's all it's all mental. >> And so therefore, if if someone says you just pray in your head, don't do any physical actions, you just do praying five times a day, you would agree with me that is works based salvation. Correct? >> I agree. Yes. >> And so therefore, um, that's a false gospel. So then don't say, >> can we at least turn to John 6:29 under different translations? Is it what? You have such a commitment to this uh English Standard Version. >> Well, I just don't have any other translations here on hand. I don't have any around. Um so, let me check. Okay. I think I can bring it up this way. John 6:29 here. All right. So, this is what CSB. Um Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God that you believe in the one he has sent." That's the same thing. That's CSB translation. >> New Living Translation. You have the >> It's a paraphrase, my friend. Like, The way it's worded, the way it's worded, it it's from my perspective. >> Okay, let's check it out. This is this is the paraphrase again, not a translation, but a paraphrase. >> God's work is this. Believe in the one he has sent. Well, again, that's >> that's different from the one I have. >> So, may I read the one that I have? It says, uh, Jesus told them, "This is the only word God wants from you. Believe in the one he has sent." So, King uh Common English version, Jesus answered, "God wants you to have faith." >> That's really not clear, is it? >> That's really not good. That's I don't think the NLT did a good job. I think the NLT's It does a good job most of the time, but sometimes it does a pretty lousy translation or paraphrase. It It adds stuff into the text that's not there. There's an example in Matthew's Gospel where it says, "Unless you turn and become like children, you'll not enter the kingdom of heaven." Right? in the in the NLT it adds in unless you turn from your sins and become like children. Where'd you get from your sins? That's not even anywhere in the Greek. They just inserted extra words. And so I wouldn't read that. >> It's not a good uh translation to study from. But if you also turn to James um 125, the work that talks about that um James talks about continuing in I believe um supports my view. So it says or you can uh you want me to read it or you can >> um but the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty and perseveres being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts he will be blessed in his doing. >> Oh, so do you uh so you don't have a new King James version, right? Because it actually says work. >> This is just the ESV I've got on that on there. >> Okay. So >> yeah, >> if I if I read this really quick, it just says, "But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it and is not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this this one will be blessed in what he does." So that work is to believe. >> Well, no, it doesn't say I don't think that's what it is. I don't even think that's what it's talking about. >> So what work is James referring to in 125? >> It's not specific here in terms of what when he says a doer who acts. I think it's in the context of holy living as Christians like he talks about bridling your tongue next um he talks looks about 22 be doers of the word doers would be don't just hear what God has to say when he says love your neighbor and share the gospel he's saying do it love your neighbor share your go share the gospel avoid sexual morality >> yes I don't think he's talking about how to be saved >> you do agree that the only unfor unforgivable sin is not believing in finished work of Christ. >> I disagree. I think the only unforgivable sin, right? >> Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is never defined as that. It's never defined as that. >> It's actually under the New Testament, it would be lack of belie. >> Mark 3:30. Have a look. So Mark 3:22, first of all, it says, "Scribes who and the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, he is possessed by Beelible, and by the prince of the demons, he casts out demons." Have a look at verse 28 then Jesus saying truly truly I say to you all sins we forgiven the children of man and whatever blasphemies they utter but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit never has forgiveness but is guilty of an eternal sin for they were saying he has an unclean spirit. So this is what he's telling us what that is to claim that Jesus has an unclean spirit and that he's doing his miracles by that power rather than by the power of the holy spirit. Yeah, that's during the time of Christ, though. I'm talking about in modern times or in the times after Christ, a after um Pentecost, not believing is what sends someone to damnation, right? >> I agree that if you don't believe the gospel, you end up in hell. But that's different. But that's different to doing an unforgivable sin. The only unforgivable as Jesus said, >> all sins be forgiven except this one particular sin, the sin against the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And so let's say somebody doesn't even hear the gospel. Well, they're not going to be held accountable for not believing a gospel they haven't heard, but they will still end up in hell for all their personal sins that the Holy Spirit is actually convicting the whole world. That's what the scriptures say. They convicting the whole world. That doesn't mean that everybody's going to hear the gospel, but they are being convicted to pursue God. So the responsibility is on us. >> But that's still different. Again, never once in scripture does it define un uh not believing as the unforgivable sin. The only passage describes as the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, >> which is if you hear the gospel and you reject it, it is a form of blasphe. >> For they were saying he has an unclean spirit. That is how Jesus defined what the blasphemy spirit is. >> Yeah. I have to find the verse that supports what I'm saying regards uh regarding not believing in the finished work of Christ being a form of blasphemy because that's what since >> there is no verse blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is that >> now I do agree that my point is that if you don't believe you're you're condemned. Yeah. >> Sure. Sure. I agree with that. But that doesn't mean that you've done the unforgivable sin of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. It just means that you don't have forgiveness for any of your sins. if you don't believe. >> Yeah. >> But not that you've done that particular sin. >> Well, yeah. You can't uh blaspheme against Christ because he's not physically amongst us against his works. >> And that's why I don't think today anyone's anyone today has done that particular sin. But people will still go to hell besides the fact that they haven't done that sin because any sin sends you to hell. You lie once, all liars will have their part in the lake of fire. which is why we need Jesus. >> If the Holy Spirit's not in them, right? So, >> or if they're not saved. Yeah. If they don't have saved. Yeah. So, >> so in a way, not having the Holy Spirit in you is I believe is a form of blasphemy. >> It's just you're rejecting the gospel. >> Scripture doesn't say that. I got to go with scripture, man. >> Okay. So, let let's I just have one more question um for right I mean, I do have a few more, but um as far as your team members, do do all of your team members believe in your perspective of uh predestination like the Calvinistic uh perspective of >> Well, I don't label myself by any sort of labels like Calvinist or Armenian or anything like that. I just hold to >> but you believe in tulip scripture says >> Calvinistic. >> Um instead, what I would just I would say that people can have a variety of perspectives. um that's not like a prerequisite to even share the gospel. No, >> you just need to know the gospel. You need to be willing just to be able to share it. Like and um yeah, I just think that it is a comfort knowing that God is the one who grants repentance. He's the one who softens heart. He what he what he do with Lydia, remember? He opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. So the Lord is the one who's acting here to open her heart. So you you believe that verse is saying that he made her believe. He just he opened her heart. >> What I'm saying the Lord opened her heart. The Lord is the one acting to make her pay attention to the message. >> Um when he doesn't necessarily do that with everyone. >> He doesn't necessarily do that with everyone. Well, um yeah, I think that's under um is that yeah, I think that >> because like there are people who are not even like do you agree that there are people who are not granted to come to Jesus? >> Not under no not after uh >> not after Pentecost. See, I think >> I'm not sure why you're arbitrarily making a distinction between like saying you don't hold to the world is the Holy Spirit is convicting the world of their sin concerning Christ, right? >> Yeah. The world, remember the world world, the word world doesn't necessarily mean every single individual. Like the whole world has gone after him doesn't mean every single person, >> right? In the context of >> even the word cosmos can mean things like this like it says do not love the world or the things in the world. So you can use the word cosmos in different senses there. >> When it says John spirit goes into the cosmos is what it that's it's >> well it's convicting the world doesn't mean necessarily every single individual particularly if someone doesn't hear the gospel. We don't see the Holy Spirit convicting somebody for not believing a gospel they haven't heard. But this is the verse I was thinking of. John 6:65. This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the father. And why is he saying this is why? We'll have a look at verse before. There are some of you who do not believe. >> Yeah. Again, but do you just like reject the words of Jesus just because before Pentecost? >> No. What I'm what I'm saying is Pentecost was the game changer. That's when the Holy Spirit came into the world and is convicting the world of our sins. >> Okay. But there are some of you who do not believe. And this is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the father. So, so when the when uh when Christ was raised up, did he not draw >> all people to himself? >> I mean, >> well, in a sense of his execution was a public event and so therefore, yeah, lots of people saw that. Doesn't mean every single person saw his crucifixion. I don't think that's what it's making the claim. You know, if I say, look, all the people came to the to the stream today. Well, that doesn't mean every single person in the world watched the stream, but there was a lot of people that did. And so, um, when it talks about drawing all people to myself at his being lifted up at his crucifixion, that seems to be it's a it's a public event rather than than one happening in a corner somewhere because you got cosmic events like earthquake, >> dead saints coming alive, all those sort of things. >> Now, I agree. I agree. Uh, context plays a big role in um, you know, >> how how we're supposed to interpret the scriptures, of course. Uh do you mind going to John 16:8 and reading from there? >> Yep. That's the one about the Holy Spirit. When he comes, he'll convict the world. Concerning sin and righteousness and judgment. Concerning sin because they do not believe in me. Concerning righteousness because they go to the father and you'll see me no longer. Concerning judgment because the ruler of this world is judged. So as we talked about the world, the word world doesn't necessarily mean every individual. um as we've seen numerous instances of that. And so he's not going to convict those who don't even hear the gospel, right? Because they do not believe in me. Now, obviously unbelievers can be convicted with the conscience that they have and the Holy Spirit may prick that potentially. Who knows at different times? But the fact that God doesn't even give everyone access to the gospel would give an indication that he doesn't intend to save that person. Because if you don't have access to the gospel, you don't have trust in Christ, by the time you die, you do end up in hell. >> So if he doesn't even allow someone access to the gospel, he doesn't intend on saving that particular person. >> Well, I think the responsibility is still on us because he he is people know that through creation itself that a god exists. If the Holy Spirit's going into the world, >> the Holy Spirit is convicting the the world about the sin of not believing the gospel. Even if they haven't heard it, they no once >> the Holy Spirit speaks to the world about their lack of belief in in Christ, right? >> But but this is God never even tells them of the name of Jesus. They never hear anything about Christ whatsoever. Yes, they know God is real. So they're without excuse already on that case, >> but not hearing the gospel. You can't be saved without hearing the gospel. >> I agree. So that's why God doesn't allow someone to hear the gospel, then he doesn't intend to. >> My point is if if >> Would you agree that's fine though? Would you agree that's okay? God doesn't have to give anyone access to the gospel. >> Yeah. But my my only point with um the reason why I could couldn't never I could never um see myself fully embracing the acronym of tulip. I do believe in certain aspects of the acronym. Um definitely the persever perseverance of the the saints. Yeah. >> But um >> to me that that perspective makes the invitation of the gospel disingenuous. It's like me inviting you to my birthday, but I have the power to make you not want to come to my birthday. So I give you an invitation, but I'm saying but I have the power behind the scenes. I'm saying I really don't want this guy to go to my birthday. So, I'm going to make him not want to come to my birthday. So, it's like you're you're you're preaching the gospel, but you're making it to where certain people can't believe that it sounds disingenuous. >> I don't I don't think that's exactly equivalent. God doesn't make people not willing. People choose not to be willing of their own free choosing. They choose to love sin and indulge themselves in that. Maybe an analogy would be if someone's playing a video game that they really love. they're engrossed in that and someone's like, "Hey, can you come outside, have a cup of tea, you know, we're going to have a bit of a party outside and it's like, I have no interest in that. I'd rather just play the video game." And so, the issue is not that you stopped them from coming out. They just didn't have a desire to come out because they rathered their video games. And so, people rather their sin. And so, when they're hearing the gospel, it's not like God stops them from believing. They just don't want to believe because they're they're engrossed in their sin. So you need God to take out the love of sin. >> It sounds like you're contradicting your perspective of uh pre predestination >> because you said it's God who it's his work to make us believe. >> Yeah. Exactly. So I'll explain what I mean is that by nature we are dead in our trespasses and sins. He loves sin, but as as Ephesians 2 says, but then God, what he did in my heart and your heart and other people's hearts is that he softened it and he he made us alive so that we now have a desire to Yes, I'd love to go to that party outside. That's sounds great. That's much better than this video game. So, I'd love to come to Christ and be with him in heaven. That's better than this lousy sin that I used to be indulging in. So he changes our heart perspective so that we now believe the gospel. >> Yeah. So that's my point. After Pentecost, that's what the Holy Spirit is doing in the world. So it's people's love for their own sins that's making them reject it. Not that uh they >> doing the work to soften their heart and change them so that they would >> believe it's still our responsibility to believe >> right from our perspective. This is why I think you got to understand from our perspective, we do need to make the choice to believe the gospel 100%. We 100% affirm that. But why did I believe the gospel as opposed to my neighbor across the street from me? Is it because I was smarter? No. It was because of what God did? >> No. Then then glory goes to you, man. Well done in humbling yourself. But instead, it's because of God doing a work in my heart to give me the desire to be humble and to come to faith in Jesus. So therefore, 100% of glory goes to God. >> So So you're saying that the Holy Spirit convicts people differently. >> Of course. Oh, the as in God draws different people at different times. He doesn't draw everyone. He hides truth from certain people. Matthew 11:25 speaks about that. >> Regarding the gospel, you believe the Holy Spirit convicts people differently. >> I don't. >> As in, yeah, the Holy Spirit will do different things on different people. Like for those who he intends to save, he'll make sure that they get a softened heart so they believe. while maybe others God may just let them go, pass them by and so they just keep indulging in sin and rejecting God for the rest of their life. So God can soften one person and not another person. That's the point. He can have mercy on whom he wants to have mercy and compassion on and those he wants to have compassion on. >> So just going back to my point, are all your team members, do they all have your perspective of um predestination? >> Um no, I'm not sure. I think people can have a variety of perspectives and so it's not that that's some sort of prerequisite um for evangelizing. You just need to know the gospel. You need to know have your trust in Jesus Christ. >> Yeah. >> And have you be willing to share that? >> Have you heard of um provisionism or um >> Yeah. I don't think it fits very well scripturally. I think it's >> um I have interacted with a bunch of people on the stream uh with viewer chats and so on that hold to that perspective. >> Yeah. because I think I align more than with that than the acronym of tulip and the the person that um Dr. Flowers who's who made up the acronym provide under the provision provisionism uh perspective. He's a former uh Calvinist. So >> yeah, >> I think that >> he always m he always misrepresents the position though. >> He always mis that's why I'm not a fan of Leon. Um I think that he does misrepresent the u position that many Calvinists would subscribe to. >> Okay. I haven't heard it yet. >> Yeah. I think honestly like man I used to be I used to be in the same position you were. I was very opposed to God being able to >> soften one person and then not another person and things like that. And I thought that his election would have to be on on our decision, not based on his will, which is often how provisionists say it's uh that it's God just like electing based on God's fornowledge what people will do. But then I saw that that makes us then the one who is the ultimate basis of salvation rather than God. That it was all up to us when I think it's really ultimately up to God. And so therefore, if I'm saved, I won't say it was 90% God, 10% me. I would say it's 100% God. Because even my decision to believe is not because I was more humble than my neighbor or because I was smarter, more intellectual than my neighbor, but because God had mercy on me. So it it just frees you up to give God more glory. I find that it took ages for me to come to understand this, but eventually as you read scripture more and more, it it's what it's what made me come to that position. But thanks for coming up, man. Appreciate this good conversation. >> Yeah, I'll have to bless >> back on my other topics. >> Yeah. Yeah, no worries, man. God bless you, bro. >> Take care. >> See you. >> Uh, okay. Next, let's bring up We got Mitch. Welcome, Mitch.

Awesome. How's it going, Ryan? I think we >> Hey, man. >> We spoke a while ago, so if anybody doesn't know, I am from the World Messiah Church of God, the Mother God cult. Oh, that's all right. That's all right. Yeah, true. >> Yeah, we we had a good live the other night. I appreciate it. >> That was good. Yeah. What What questions do you want to ask? >> Yeah. I mean, I have a couple, but I just kind of want to go in uh just to get your opinion, honestly, just to see where you um fit because as you know, after leaving a cult, especially being a leader in a cult, you know, um I really try to dive back into Christianity, trying to learn everything. I'm not Catholic. Um, but I'd say I have a couple of questions and go for it. I'd like for them. Yeah. I'd like to tell you my my opinion on them as well and then just kind of get your word on them. But like >> um not a debate or anything, just kind of get your feeling on them. So >> um I'm going to break them down for for you first and then we can go one by one. So first um >> we can go into uh because I saw in your chat in the title, you know, about Catholics, Orthodox and stuff. So When I look at the Roman Catholic Church now, I I am not Catholic. Um because the reason I'm not Catholic is because I feel like they idolize a lot of things such as the cross, the saints, Mary, and also tradition, right? So when I look at the Bible, I see verses like Matthew 4:10, you know, worship the Lord only. But I see them bowing down and worshiping Mary or the saints. >> And then I see 1 Timothy chapter 2:5 where you know it tells us we'll have one mediator between us and Jesus and that's Jesus Christ alone. The only one we should look to but again they bow down and they pray to and worship to and they pray to saints like Peter, Paul, John. And when I read the Bible, you know, I see other verses like Revelation 22:8:9, like the angel told Apostle John, "No, don't bow down. Don't bow down to me. Worship the Lord alone." Yeah. And you know, they have many things and you know, they have but and that's that's a good point. That's really good. I really like that um what you're saying here that these things are, I think, unbiblical traditions that have crept into um the Catholic Church. And I think we should check everything with the Bible. >> Exactly. >> But maybe if what would be helpful is do you want to get to the question and that way I can know kind of where you're going with it? That might be helpful. >> Okay. So I'd say that wraps it up at least with that first question. You know the worship or the praying to the cross, Saints Mary, this um my other one is you know I have I have many questions and I have my own opinion but I want to see where you fit in. But you know there was the inquisition period where you know through the indulg indul uh in I'm sorry indulgences and also in the early history that the Catholic church would actually put to death people that didn't follow their traditions and then >> you know coming up with Martin Luther John Calvin uh Ziggley you know from uh like up north in Europe I forget but you know they they had reformation of this uh they saw a lot of problems with the church and a lot of these problems also dealed with you know this worship of Mary the cross the saints and not following the Bible. >> I still don't know what the question is though like yeah >> here's my first question. >> You're like going around all these different but you're not getting to the question. So try >> so many Ryan. So >> why get straight to it? Let's get like rapid fire if you can maybe. >> Sorry Ryan. Sorry I got so many. You know, coming out of a cult, you got a lot. But yeah, I would say with idolization of the cross, the saints, Marian tradition, >> why do they go so far? Why in your opinion, >> why do you think they go so far away from the biblical teaching? Because when you read the Bible and as I believe, their idea of the worship of the cross or praying to the saints or Mary and following their traditions does not align with the Bible. And I want to know what's your opinion upon that. >> Yeah, I think it is. As soon as you don't hold scripture as your ultimate authority and you hold to whatever the church says as being an extra authority, therefore you're just going to have to believe what they say. So that's what modern Catholics are having to believe all these people have gone before and they've idolized saints. They've done all this sort of stuff with them and so they've having to now follow that same tradition or they think they have to follow the same tradition. But the issue is how it develops I think is that if you make this institution some sort of authority well since it's such a big institution with lots of different people there's going to be lots of different ideas that will develop and so you'll have some Christians say this start saying this about Mary and then the next generation like well my forefather said this or this person said this and then they then adopted in and that's the issue is that as As soon as you have >> as being like this living organization as being your authority, it's going to keep changing, keep adjusting, and new things going to be developed. Um, there was a Roman Catholic scholar who said in about two in about 2,000 years or 1,000 years time from now, there going to be a whole lot of new practices in the Catholic Church and even potentially new beliefs that today we would find like, whoa, that's so strange. That's not right. But is this a Roman Catholic scholar agreeing with this? In a thousand years or 2,000 years time from now, there'll be more practices, more beliefs, more dogmas defined that um just makes the Catholic Church look so different to what it is even is it even today. I think that's what happened that go back 2,000 years ago, the Christian church looks so different to what you see in these institutions today within the Catholic and Orthodox systems. So I think a return to the Bible is what they need to do. They had banned reading the Bible for the common people during the medieval era.

They had on his banned list of forbidden books.

But if we now thankfully the Catholic Church does say you they encourage you to read the Bible, which is good, even though most Catholics don't do that very much, but they are encouraging people to do that. And so I think the more they read scripture, the the less they'll be convinced of Catholicism as they come to see that scripture teaches we're justified by faith alone and not by works. And they won't have these hopefully they'll abandon the practices of praying to Mary.

Amen. Yeah, I would agree with you and uh I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, cuz when you read the Bible, it's you know, it's so clear, you know, worship the Lord alone, confess your sins to the father alone, not to man, you know, even though you called there.

Right? Like you can confess your sins one to another as it mentions there in the New Testament, but in terms of not as a way to get your sins forgiven. Like there could be good for accountability to have an accountability person you confess sins to or even if you've wronged someone it's good to confess to that person. But in terms of you can grow directly to God when you've sinned knowing that your sins are forgiven not because you confess it to God but because Jesus died on the cross for your sin. You put your trust in him.

I would agree. I love that you mentioned that cuz it's like it's not a problem if you sin against another, you know, you should admit that fault. But to admit your fault to somebody, not Christ, not your savior, your fault. You know what I mean? Thinking that that's going to give you forgiveness. I think that's kind of ridiculous and I I think it's a little unbiblical, at least from what I.

All right. What's your second one, though? What's your second one? Let's try get cuz just to kind of rapify these. Yep. Go for it. So, let me go into the next one. H yeah, I I got a lot, but yeah, let me go into the next one.

And just rapify the question. Um what what are your thoughts on the the King's James version of the Bible or even the Bible that because um here's my opinion quickly on it. Kings James or the Bible that the Catholic Church uses or Orthodox um.

Uh Catholic Church, yeah, they have things like the Apocrypha. I don't believe in I don't think they're um things we can rely on as scripture. But King James, I don't think it has things in it that kind of contradict our salvation. But I like I don't think if we read that as our main source that it's like contradicting our salvation. However, I don't think it's the most uh appropriate translation because in our age, the ESV or the NIV, they're translating off of manuscripts that were found more recently in our age that date back to the origins of the original writings. I mean, we're talking over.

I'd say I'd say um yeah, my my opinion is that I think people can have different preferences on what translations they read. And so, some people prefer King James, and that's fine. They can prefer that. But I also find that yeah.

I personally would prefer a modern translation just because number of factors yeah one thing earlier manuscripts we got more manuscripts we got papyrie that we've discovered in the new testament great one.

But then also we have it's in modern English and a lot of people when you read certain passages of the King James are going to get a wrong meaning because they think what they they know what the word means but then actually means something different today than it did 400 years ago or the word just just goes over their head. What does that mean? And there's even certain times where it'll spell, you know, like Elijah in the Old Testament. The King James will sometimes call his name Elijah and other times it'll call him Elias.

I saw that. I I've seen it. Yes.

You see that? You're like, is it Elijah and Elias? And so, you know what? This is where Joseph Smith, who was reading the King James translation, thought that Elijah and Elias were two different people, two different prophets. And so therefore, in his works, he put them as two different people, which is so funny.

But that's the issue is that there's different times when like Timothy is called Timothus and and like is that the same person? What's going on here?

So I think just some of those things have been corrected in modern translations. So we shouldn't be against modern translations. Even in 500 years time, thousand years time, you're going to have what we consider modern to be very old and we're like, "Yeah, we got to get rid of that. Let's get a one that's more updated to our modern English." Not that the text of scripture is changing, just the language to make it easier for people to understand.

Awesome. I'm really glad you mentioned that. It's just like I don't have a problem with the King's James. I just have a problem when people say unless you read the King's James then it's a problem. We can't trust it. And uh I just think that's ridiculous. So I'm glad you brought that up. And uh next thing I wanted to bring up really quickly to your Ryan. Hopefully it's okay. Um what's um do you have a certain are you just strictly Bible based? Do you have a certain denomination uh that you follow.

Or cuz I know I personally brought up some Calvinism but I just kind of wanted to understand a little.

Yeah. So I personally attend a Presbyterian church but I don't call myself a Presbyterian.

Um I just call myself a Bible believing Christian and scripture is my ultimate authority. What I check everything with. That doesn't mean you can't read other things. You can read books put out by people, commentaries, that's fine. But you just check them with scripture and make sure it lines up with that.

Okay. I like it. And uh another question really quickly I had um you know the last person that came up he he was bringing up um um predestination right and uh my version on it and I just want to kind of get your opinion on it just like respectfully because I know it's a kind of difficult topic with people but when I look at God as the alpha omega beginning from the end he knows all things if God knows the future and he knows the end, he's already going to know those who are saved. I hate to say it, but it it's.

When I read the scripture and if God is, you know, over time, you know, he he's going to know this. So, when I read verses like Ephesians 1:4-5, when God predestined, he uses that specific word, God predestined us for adoption and sunship with Jesus Christ our Lord.

Yeah, there we go. um for the purpose of his will. I'm not trying to say I'm Calvinist because I'm not. I'm not Calvinist. But I when I think of God and I think when we have a higher understanding of who God is and his entity and what he knows and if we really believe him as almighty, knowing the future or the past, then we're going to believe that he's going to know the future. Meaning he's going to know those who believe him. you're going to say, "Yeah, he knows who's going to believe and so he predestines on that basis."

That's actually the classic Armenian view.

Um I just don't I used to hold that position myself that oh god.

I'm not like strong with it. I'm just kind of something I'm learning it just cuz.

Yeah, that's all good, man. That's fine. It it takes a Yeah, this is this is deep stuff we're talking about. So it can it can take a long time for us to understand. It can be hard for us to understand even. And I would even go to I'd usually go to this verse to support it. Uh Romans 8:29. For those whom he forneew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

Yeah.

And I thought, oh, see, this supports the view that God just knows the future and he he knew that people would believe and so he predestined those who would believe. Right.

But then I read it again. I was like, oh, I've been misunderstanding this verse. It doesn't say for those whom God forneew some information about.

It's for those whom God forneew as in as people. He knows them as people.

He does something for them.

Which means he doesn't forno everyone in this sense because everyone who he forno he predestines and everyone who's predestined is justified and glorified. It goes on verse 30 to talk about but we know that not everyone's glorified and justified.

So therefore he mustn't have have predestined everyone. So therefore he mustn't have fornown everyone.

Yeah.

So this is not just talking about does God know the future because he knows the future of everyone.

Yes.

So this is what so therefore it must be that God forn knows in the sense of like Adam knowing his wife Eve in some some more of a like a relational way intimate relational way. And for those particular individuals before they exist, he predestines them.

Yeah.

So therefore, it's not on the basis of looking down the corridors of time and figuring out are they going to believe or not? I'll I'll predestin. It's I want to save you. I want to save you. I want to save you. And he has this for knowing of these people.

And so he predestines them to make sure that they will go to heaven no matter what. He'll bring them to faith. He'll justify them and glorify them. And then he passes over all the others that he doesn't choose, not that he makes them sin, but just that he chooses to let them go to their own devices. They they love sin and they'll just keep loving sin because God's not um softening their heart and giving them a new heart, a heart of flesh.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I would agree with you totally on it because I'm not a Calvinist, you know, but at the same time, I know God's power, God's divinity, and I I don't limit God, you know what I mean? And I feel like if I say that God um um how should I put it? This person says, "I'm g I'm I'm saved no matter what, you know, but he's sinning, all this and that." God already knows. He's not going to be I I don't want to be harsh here. God already knows the person. He knows if they're going to be if they're going to follow his will or not, but God already knows at the same time who isn't. So.

But then it makes it on us. Then then it's all about us. It's not about God anymore. Salvation's not of the Lord then.

I want to put it on God. I might be explaining.

And the way to put it on God then is to not base his predestination based on anything about us. nothing about us at all. Romans 9 is a good chapter on this talk about or Romans 10:9 too I think. So, Romans 9:10 says this, uh, "And not only so, but also when Rebecca had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing, either good or bad.

Isaac or Esau, uh, in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works, but because of him who calls, she was told, "The old will serve the younger, as it is written, Jacob I love, but Esau I hated."

Yep. So notice God saying this was not based on cuz I knew Jacob would be better than Esau.

It was just God saying I want Jacob. I want the older to serve the younger. Esau to serve Jacob.

Yeah.

So notice it's not God looking down the corridors of time. It's just God choosing what he wants to happen.

And that's with salvation.

I got something. Uh I it makes sense and I I agree with you completely, Ryan. And I want to give you a quick little thing just because you know I was in a cult obviously. So I want people to know they actually misinterpret this verse cults and my cult. So if you ever run into the world Messiah Church of God, they'll tell you this verse here. There's Jacob and Esau. But they'll say, "Who is the chosen one from birth?" Well, the firstborn was who? It was Esau. And according to the law, Esau should have received the promise of receiving the inheritance, right? But who was the ultimate factor? Cults will like my cult will tell you it was the mother Sarah. So since Sarah intervened and she allowed and she spoke on the behalf of Jacob, he was able to receive the inheritance. And they use verses in the Bible to say how God represents Abraham, then since God rep the father God, Jehovah represents Abraham, then Sarah represents God the mother. And they'll say in my church, and I I just want people to know, and I know people are like, "What?" But it's important because you live in Australia, right, uh, Brother Ryan?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

This church is spreading so so much in Australia right now. And I want people to know this cuz people are being deceived and they'll straight up tell you that oh yes, but since we have God the mother on this earth, she represents Sarah and you are like Jacob. Since mother chose you, you're the chosen one, you'll be saved. So it it is important.

I think the best way is for Christians just to get to know their Bible. if they know the Bible, they're not going to be led astray by by believing a South Korean woman is is a god, the mother. But interestingly, Mormonism also believes in a god the mother as well.

They do.

Yeah, it's it's unfortunate, but thank you for coming up because we're running out of time. That's why I'm trying to speed this up. We're just running out of time with the stream.

We'll head out. But I want everybody to know right now, I've been doing my research, working on three different documentaries right now on these Asian groups. But right now the world misses church. It's the fastest growing religion on earth.

You think Islam is the fastest. It's actually not. People don't know about it. I have the statistics. I have the results.

Interesting.

And people need to know this because Australia like Urrian, America, Europe, this group.

At the same time, at the same I I don't think believing in a mother god is going to get that popular. I don't think it will. Not like.

So surprised. Think about this. It took 120 years for the Mormon church to res uh to grow to 3 million members. It took 120 years. It took this South Korean cult that believes in a God the Mother 35 years to get to 4 million members. Jehovah Witnesses usually preach two times a week.

Mormons have missionaries that preach for two years. The World Mission Society Church of God has every single one of their members preaching every single day in the entire evening on campus, apartments, door to door.

But but I find that with those sort of cults, they have a they have a revolving door.

And that people come in, but a whole lot of people leave as well.

It is true. Yeah. A lot of people leave, but you'd be surprised because they see it's just pure culture and and the honeymoon period wears out.

They initially come in be like, "Yeah, this is great. This is amazing." And then they're put under all this burden and all this extra stuff. And then the honeymoon period wears out and eventually you'll see a lot of them leave.

I know sound maybe a little extra, Ryan, but like I'm only seeing this as a leader because I got the statistics of this group. Um, this group entered the United States in 1997. There's no other Eastern Asian group that's done even Mormonism. They're in every single state. They have a main temple in every state from 1997 till 2026 that we're living in. They have a temple in every state. In every state has branch churches, house churches. Now, Shin Chan Gi, which is another Korean cult, uh, Eastern Lightning, none of them have done it. They've grown this much and they're growing so rapidly and people don't know. I just know as a leader how much we went and preached compared Jehovah Witnesses more. We were preaching every day. I went to different countries doortodoor knocking.

I was at a malls. I was at apartments. This was every day we're preaching. They don't do this this other groups. And that's why I'm at the same time I think we can I understand but we can trust the sovereignty of God in that he will ensure that his people will not be influenced by falsities that they they'll keep on trusting in Christ and God will keep saving his people. So.

If it's not Islam, if it's this Korean cult, if it's Mormonism, if there's always going to be false beliefs Satan's going to try to raise up.

I don't think we have to be too anxious about it. which focus on focus on the truthful and just and just share the gospel with like anyone and everyone and you might encounter some of the we rarely like even though you said it's really big in Australia compared to running people who are like atheists, agnostics, Catholics, Mormons, whatever. I've run into them a whole lot more running into those who believe in a mother god maybe like once or twice but it's not that common in comparison.

No, you're right. You you are right. They preach to everybody, but not everyone believes it, right?

I think most people reject because they do. They do. Most people do. But they do preach to everyone. But hey Ryan, I appreciate it.

Hey, thanks for coming up, man. God bless you.

Thanks. Everything Ryan, hopefully we can connect again. Hey, I'm going to Australia soon for the documentary, so hopefully we can get you on it. Reach out to me.

God bless, man. Hey, very cool. um good to see what he's doing and trying to reach um people who are who in that cult or in other cults and even bringing awareness. Yeah, I think it's good to be aware of what these other groups believe and but then at the same time, yeah, focusing on the truth of the gospel, what Christ has done, the power of God for salvation, everyone who believes.

All right. um that is the viewer chats we can have today. And before we bring up the Cahoot Bible trivia game, we have a song. We have a song. Hey, this is cool. The good shepherd. And by the way, thank you Bolu for your super chat. If God consumes born again, born again Christian idol, is that punishment or consequence? Um, I would say could be the discipline of the Lord, I don't think it's a punishment upon the Christian. In fact, it's a good thing. If the Christian's idols are getting destroyed, like the Christian can see that as a blessing.

All right, let's now hear this and then after that, let's do the Bible trivia cahoot game.

Is the shepherd of the sheep to him the gatekeeper opens the sheep hear his voice and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them and the sheep follow him for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow but they will flee from him for they do not know the voice of strangers. This figure of speech Jesus used with them but they did not understand what he was saying to them. So Jesus again and said to them, "Truly, truly I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep do not listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out of fine pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. Oh, I am the good shepher. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Hey, very nice. The good shepherd, he does lay his life down for the sheep. Notice that the sheep he doesn't lay not everyone's going to receive the benefits of Christ's salvation. But those who are sheep, those who put their trust in Lord Jesus Christ, they receive the benefits of his sacrifice. How amazing is the gospel, we got to proclaim today. And we're going to now do a game of Bible trivia cahoot. By the way, that song as well as any other songs are our needod.net music channel. Make sure you subbed on there as well. And they're also on the various music platforms you can listen to. But it's Bible trivia cahoot time now. Yes.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for cahoot. Two days in a row I get to play for my soundboard. Yes. So, let me put that code. If someone can put this, I'll put it in there cuz I usually spam this code, but it's a bit late on that today. But here we go. I've just spammed it in there. So, jump on board if you can. And um while you're getting there, um we just like to say thank you for um your support through that the year last year. And we hope that you can be with us all this year as well. And if this is your first time here, welcome aboard. This game is a game of trivial um Bible trivia. If you get the answers right, fastest and correct, then you will be on the podium. Uh some of the questions are intimidating to some that haven't played before, some are easy, some are a little bit difficult. Uh but generally, it's all about bunch of fun and some of the questions do get repeated. So if you miss out this time around, then the next time you play it, you will know the answer. And let's uh I've got some I've got some new sound effects that I've just discovered that I can play with as well. Some of doing that throughout the stream.

I need some milk. Love it. All right, let's see who's playing here today. Um, Silus, Namy, Harry, forgiven for much s Mark Danny, team Jesus, Zakist, Jessie, praise him, take breath, send me math boy, Raphael, Jason, the lady, Cara, Clay Cup, Andrea, Andrea, and we've got Fry, Paul, Pride 2.0, O Clay Cup me note licks Guji Cute Harmony Dante services just Rodrik Betty Seth Russ Jazz David math boy and Ilvin sheep tyron Lens Dason awesome now if you guys can think of an outro question uh that'll be great and you can get that that's a ninja laughing that doesn't sound very good does it.

Denied should play that when I get rid of someone off the list oh here we What about this one? Awesome. All right, we'll give it a few more seconds cuz we got a fair few people online that aren't registered yet. And um there's a couple of good little notes. Oh, what about this one? O, there's a pistol and oh, karate. What the There you go. It's one for Jamie does martial arts. That's pretty cool. All right, I think it's time to uh hit that go button.

Yes. Okay, let's go. Let's get into this. All right, first question today is No, it's not a horse now. It is, can you handle this Bible trivia? Three, two, one. Which of out of the four gospels has the Jesus sermon on the mount? Mhm. John, Mark, Matthew, or Luke? Which one? Sorry about that. There we go. Put it there. All right, Which out of the four gospels has the Jesus sermon on the mount? Two seconds. What is it? It is Matthew. 32 people getting that correct. Let's see what goes on the scoreboard. Math boy, Russ. Sel Stf Raphael and Dason all in the top five there. Points are very close. It is the first question. So this next question will this next question will sort out the wheat from the chaff. Let's do this. How did God judge the people when they were trying to build the tallest tower? Confused their languages. Broke their tower. Killed half of them. Made them all sick. Maybe this is a There you go. A bit of time. All right, 34 people. Yes, confused their languages. Let's play that again. Yeah, I guess that's probably how bad it would have been. Um, okay, 34 people getting correct. Let's go to the scoreboard and check who is Oh, Math Boy and Russ still stay in the top two. Mark, Elvin, Sheep, and Praise are in the bottom of the five. So, the scores are very close still. A schools are real close, but let's keep going and see where it comes.

Abraham's first son was named Ishmael. True or false? True or false? Damn. That one. Okay. Drum brook. Oh yeah. Little drum jack. 5 seconds to go. And the correct answer. Ooh, see people getting that true. 10 people getting it incorrect. That's not good. Here we go.

And you failed.

And you failed. Sorry. All right. Excuse me. All right. Math boys moved up to the top. Two-point lead over Math Boy. Mark Grass and Zach. All in the top five. But up 12 places is cute, Harmony. Well done. You get this one. There's your little highest climbers down. All right, next question. Which of these was not a son of Noah? Which one was not? JF, Egypt, Tam, or Shem? Which of these was not? Which one was not? And correct answer is Egypt. Correct answer, Egypt. For those five people that got that incorrect, I've never met anyone or heard of anyone named Egypt. Food for thought. All right, let's go to the scoreboard. Math boy. Two math boys in the top two. There you go. One of them is Anthony. Mark's in third spot. Full pride 2.0 fourth. And Seth is in fifth. But up three or three participants have reached an answer streak of three. There you go. There's your little sound. All right. Here we go. As we go through the halfway mark in the quiz, then next question is, who came to Jesus by night to speak with him? Peter, Nicodemus, David, or James? Not that one. Who was it? Peter, Nicodemus, James or David? Which one? The crunch. And the correct answer is Nicodemus. 33 people getting that correct. Five people again putting red down to Peter. But no, it was Nicodemus.

Yankee.

There you go. Let's go scoreboardy. Oh, math boy stays on top. Fall Pry moves into second spot. Seth in third. Mark fourth. Zach is in fifth. David has the highest answer streak of five. Oh, there's your little sound. Yes. All right, we have three more questions. Let's go. If you think of an outro question, please get it into us. That would be awesome. Okay, type in an answer. What was Paul known as before he met Jesus on the road to Damascus? Paul the Apostle, that is. Type in your answer. Here we go. What was Paul known as before he met me as in road to Damascus? So what is he known as?

Sounds a bit cartoonish like the chief. All right, we've got 5 seconds to go. Okay, here we go with Let's review these answers here. And it's either Saul or a Pharisee. So wall near the S button. give it to you. Uh, Paul the bad boy. What was Paul known as before he met? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't know. What do you reckon, Jamie? Thumbs up or down?

I'm trying to win this, so I'm going to say thumbs down. I'll give it to him. Paul the bad boy. Oh, actually, no, it's not because Saul is different to Paul. Like, um, I would say no. Oh.

He was a bad boy before, but he was also Saul the bad boy. So. But he was Saul before. He wasn't Paul the bad boy because Paul became the good boy.

Well, wouldn't say good in that sense, but you know what I mean. Okay. Yeah. So, sorry. Can't give you that. Um, Cell, I'll give you that. A Jew. Well, still is a Jew. Was always a Jew. Don't know. I can't give you that. Silus. No. Murderer. What was Paul known? What was Paul known as? A murderer. Yeah, I don't know.

I just like to make a correction too, Paul. I don't think Pharisees the correct answer because at the top here that's Paul says, "I am a Pharisee." So.

Yeah. No one's picked Pharisee though. And this was You'd have to bring that was the moderator, mate. They put that in.

I'm only just the deliverer. Don't shoot the messenger. All right. That is I think what we're going to put down for. Okay, let's submit that and let's have a look at the scoreboard. Math boys dropped out of there. Four pry has moved in there to top spot with a four-point lead over Mark. Math Boy Anony's come back into the scene at third spot. Cute harmony's in fourth and Seth is in fifth. Five participants just hit an answer streak of three. Oh, there you go. Didn't know that was going to do that, but anyway. Hey, this might get a few people. Here we go. Ready. Is anyone trying to open up their Discord right now to answer that call? Jeez, I'm having too much fun. All right, there we go. Next question. Who taught the Lord's Prayer? Who taught it? Who taught the Lord's Prayer? Was it Peter, Paul, Jesus, or John? Correct answer. Jesus did. Yes. 33 people getting that correct. Let's check the scoreboard. Okay. Four prior station to spot. Cute homies moving in the second. Math boys in the third. Seth fourth. And David has moved in the fifth. Three participants just hit an answer streak of six. Oh, I just played that one.

They ask you how you are. You just have to say that you're fine. There we go. Big win. Big win. All right. Here we go. Let's go. Next question. Last one. Double banger. What did What What job did the man who asked Paul in jail, "What must I do to be saved?" have What was his job? Was he a tax collector, a jailer, hunter, or a fisherman? Which one was he? What job did the man who asked Paul in jail, "What must I do to be saved have?" What job did he have? Was he a tech wiger, hunter, fisherman, or a jailer? Time is up. And he was a jailer. Yes. Let's see how many people get this correct. Oh, in fact, we're going to be coming to the podium with this one. So, let's see who got on there today. Third spot goes to David. Well done, David. Second spot today goes to Seth. But today.

And the winner is.

And the winner is full pri. Yes, well done full pry. And notable mentions there to our dog and Zach. Well done guys. We'll see you in two days cuz we're not streaming tomorrow but the next day. Yes. So we'll see you then. I'm out of.

Hey Jamie, was that you? That one?

Maybe. Maybe. I can't tell you.

Maybe. Okay, fair enough. It was me. Yeah.

Oh, that's cool. Good job. Good effort all kahudas. Ever be for him said people love the soundboard there Paul. Good game. Good game everyone. And uh great move whoever pulled my move. There you go. Is that the move of like pulling out at the last um the last question? Um all right. Well, let's uh now pray. And actually want to say thank you first of all to Stag Hunter for sending in this super chat land. I'm not sure what the comment is though. You might have to give us some more context. But right now let's pray and then do the outro question. Heavenly Father, we do thank you so much for allowing the stream to happen today. Thank you that we got to talk about you and your amazing gospel. Father, pray for those who got to hear the saving message of Jesus today. May they put their trust in Jesus. Um Lord, we pray for that Muslim man we got to speak with earlier on. May he really reflect on this message and even read through the Bible for himself. Help us in this new year, Lord, to take our faith very seriously, to not get distracted with the cares of the world, the deceitfulness of riches, or the time sappingness of secular entertainment. Lord, so help us to keep you on our mind to start our day off with Bible reading and prayer and give us a good night's rest this evening. Thank you that you brought harmony safely back to the US as well. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.

All right. If you agreed with that prayer, feel free to say an amen in the chat. Denine says, "Paul always sounds like he's calling a racehorse." That's true. It does sound like that, doesn't it? That's great. Or an oxen. Auction. All right. Now, Phil is in Japan and he's here, which is cool. He's on a holiday right now. He's got a outro question for us. Ramen or sushi? They're both Japanese things. So, uh, what do you prefer out of those two? Ramen, which is like noodles, or sushi? Uh, I would have to pick ramen out of those two. What's your answer? Let us know. It's a goodbye from Ryan.

It's a see you later from Paul. I'm now saying see you later to the stream and thank you for tuning in. But I don't know the difference between Ramen and Sushi. So I'm going to go for Sushi. That's thanks for playing today and thank you very much. Yes, I will be an announcer in my next time. I'm somewhere. See you later.

Goodbye everyone from Jamie. Make sure to read your Bible if you haven't today. Uh this is a very easy uh question. The correct answer would be sushi. No. So, she's just bad.

Would you have anchovies on your pizza there, Jamie?

Um, I wouldn't have anchovies on my pizza. I wouldn't. No. Sorry, Paul.

Good. Wise move. Wise move. Yeah. And yeah, from the rest of the team as well, they say goodbye to you guys. Um, what do we have in the chat? Sushi, ramen, ramen, sushi. It's pretty mixed actually in the chat. People saying either one of them. Someone's saying ramen over sushi all day. I think Harmony said both. She likes them both. And someone said, "I don't like seaweed." I get to what you're saying. All right. Paul's like, "What is ramen?" You know, it's like noodles, like soup with noodles. In essence, is I think how you would describe uh ramen.

Why would you say you want pizza? Why would you want to say that you want anchovies on there? Because I'm thinking there must be a pizza of some sort when you said that. No, I'm just asking Jamie cuz he mentioned he loves sushi. So, I was like, "Oh, maybe like anchovies on pizza as well."

I draw the line on what I put sushi in, though. I don't think I'd have sushi in um salmon, even though it is fish. It's It's weird because it's got a salt It's very salty and it's flavor.

Oh, you're saying you wouldn't have anchovies in sushi, you're saying?

Did I Did I mix that up? That's what I'm trying to say.

Oh, sorry. That's u anchovies. Yes. Anyway, I'll stop while I'm ahead. I've had some fun hanging out with you guys. We see you guys not tomorrow, the day after tomorrow. We're doing a Bible study as well. For those in the Discord, that's tomorrow evening. So, definitely come along for that. If you're not part of our Discord, join the invite link that's in the description of today's video. Until then, go serve your king.

Nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. teaching down to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always to the end of the age. To the end of the age. And behold, I am with you always to the end of the age.