Fatima Scholar predicts MAJOR SIGN: Beginning of Great Chastisement in 2026

We're going to see some major significant events where the world is going to experience the brunt of the of the great chastisement. God is going to shake the whole world down to its foundations.

Hello my friends, welcome to the John Hen Weston show. Uh, it's going to be very interesting. We've got a priest with us who is very well known in terms of Fatima. In fact, he uh, is one of the leading scholars in the world on Fatima and he worked with Father Nicholas Bruner uh at the Fatima Center and um, he's written a lot. He's done a lot of video content as well. Um, and uh, he's a priest who's unafraid to tell the truth because he lives the truth of Fatima. Welcome to Father Paul L. Kramer. Welcome, Father.

>> Great to be here, John Henry.

>> And let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross. If you could lead us please, Father.

>> Amen.

>> Amen. So Father, there are many people uh, very, very interested in Fatima, but let me start off with um, if there is one single marker that uh, you believe for Fatima that you believe we're closest to right now, what would that be?

I think we are close to the event that was foretold by uh, in other words, giving us a look into sort of a leak of uh, the content of the third secret, given by Father Maliki Martin when he said, uh, "Look up at the sky." And uh, there have been prophecies. I don't want to point to any one particular one because there is a unanimity of prophecy regarding uh, heavenly signs, going all the way back to the words of our Lord Jesus Christ when he said about the end times that you will see signs in the sky. And uh, I believe that the time is approaching. Uh, we're not talking about years anymore. Uh, we're talking about weeks or months. [snorts] I think we're going to see a major significant sign, perhaps as early as mid-April, perhaps um, early in May, thereabouts. I think, no, certainly by June. And I think it's something that will be visible to the whole world. Uh, I believe this is the year. And again, there's a unanimity of prophecy about these kinds of signs. In the Roman breviary, we read for example, there will that before Christ's second coming, his cross will appear in the sky. That's one. That's one. I think we will see something far more dramatic than just the cross appearing. It could be something very destructive. I would hesitate ordinarily to talk about these things, except that uh, considering the sources, I, I think it's something that I'm that I must uh, uh, speak about.

Padre Pio, St. Pio, uh, uh, was asked about the third secret. He spoke mainly about, with, in his discussion with Father Amorth, he spoke about um, with the counterfeit church, the Antichrist infiltrating to the highest level in the church, for example. But he also mentioned more than once about the destruction, the uh, annihilation of nations. And he said, "A very large American country will be annihilated." And there are a number of prophecies about some unknown celestial body, unknown up until now, that may make a near miss or actually strike the earth.

The third secret of Fatima. It was reported, uh, I've been able to hunt down and find the the source there. There was a book, and it also quoted a a newspaper, a Canadian newspaper. Pope Pius the XII had opened the third secret. It wasn't something publicized. There was no press release, as there was uh, in 1960 when John the XXIII opened it. But it was opened before John the XXIII opened it because uh, there was the the mystery of the of the two envelopes. And this really solves the mystery of why there were two envelopes because Pius opened it, shut it, re-sealed it, and and it, it was only his successor, John the XXIII, who opened it in 1960. So that's why he had the two envelopes. He read it in the presence of of a few cardinals, and that's all. Uh, no, no publicity. Uh, one of those cardinals present was uh, Cardinal Samuel Stritch, Archbishop of Chicago. He revealed to his assistant, Father Lawrence Emmett Hughes, the content of the of the of the secret. 1957, Father Hughes uh, was not able to reveal the entire content of the secret because he was under oath. He said there was something so, so important there that he had, he had to, he had to mention it. And he said he spoke of the liturgical reform that's going to be taking place, and it's going to be introduced very soon. Of course, that was at the Second Vatican Council. The liturgical reform, he said, "Have nothing to do with that because it's going to lead to the suppression of the Mass, and the Mass will disappear, except it, there will be, and it's in in a number of prophecies, in very hidden places, the Mass will exist, but by and large, it would be impossible for Catholics to find the Mass."

There's going to be a a horrific persecution of the church. Uh, that's that is one thing. But when Pius the XII actually opened the secret, and according to uh, the source in one of the books that I read about it, let me, can I give you the title of the book at least? Fatima, Hope of the World, by Joseph Albert Pelliche, page 151. He relates that when Pope Pius the XII opened the third secret and read it, the first words that came out of his mouth were, "Poor Canada, poor Canada."

Padre Pio, Saint Pio, spoke of the very large North American country that would be annihilated. Our Lady of Fatima said, "Several nations will be annihilated." I don't know what year this will take place. I don't know if this is the event that we that seems to be prophesied for this year of 2026. It could be, but I don't know at this point. I can only speculate it, it might be. But if I had to fathom a guess, again, an educated guess based on 50 years of study of prophecy, I would not want to live in Ottawa or the vicinity of Ottawa, because I think Ottawa will be ground zero for whatever it is that is going to bring about the annihilation of that very large North American country that Padre Pio spoke of.

But Padre Pio himself was far more concerned about the ecclesiastical dimension of the third secret, the counterfeit church. And uh, there are again, many, many prophecies from the most credible sources, from canonized saints. I've, I've discussed this in my books. The Mystery of Iniquity gives the the overall picture, the the geopolitical uh, analysis of the content of the third secret of Fatima regarding what was warned about by Pope St. Pius X, when he, not apostolic. He spoke of a of a one-world religion, a one-world church, and he spoke of a global order that would be neither, he called it a democracy, but not what we understand as democracy, especially in the in the in the Anglo-Saxon political context of the term. It's, it's more like the French Revolution type of idea of uh, of democracy, which is that of Robespierre, who, who had the blueprint for extermination of a significant portion of the population of France. And, but when they, uh, removed him from power before he was guillotined, he said, "I am a martyr for liberty." Now, this is the kind of democracy we're talking about. Robespierre's democracy. Uh, Pius, Pope Pius X, Saint Pius, spoke of this democ, this uh, democratic spirit, this democratic order that will be neither Catholic, Protestant, nor Jewish. And it will be oppressive to the working classes. And the third secret of Fatima speaks exactly of this.

Those who have read the third secret of Fatima, and those who have, like I mentioned, Cardinal Stritch and Father Maliki Martin, are unanimous on this point. They're, they are coincide entirely on this point. They were talking about an international order. George, uh, H.W. Bush called the New World Order. In terms of what they said, they said it obliquely, uh, because they were under oath. It would, regarding the uh, the movement of of capital, goods, and such globally, internationally. Recall that Klaus Schwab spoke about what's going to happen to the economy when he spoke of the of the interruption of the supply lines. That's how they created chaos in France already, in the in the 17, in the late 1790s, late 1780s, to whip the people up into a a revolutionary fervor. You're going to have what Our Lady of Fatima said: war, hunger, and persecution of the church, famine. Uh, an elderly nun recently died here in Ireland. Uh, and she had the vision before she died of people wandering the streets of Ireland in search for food. Now, that's incredible, but it's going to happen, and it's going to happen soon. Uh, if there's nothing that we have, we do not have any shortage of food at the present time here. Food is very abundant here, but that is going to change rapidly.

We have the word of Our Lady of Fatima, and we have the prophecy of scripture affirming that these evils are going to be meted out as a punishment to the world, regardless of what Cardinal Fernandez has to say about it, that any message that threatens divine punishment is not from God. Well, then you can throw away the entire scripture, because that's all we, that's practically half of the scripture is uh, is warning about God's punishment if we are not faithful to his commandments. So that's one thing. So we have, we're going to have a counterfeit church based on this synodality. What is synodality? Well, it is a church without a Roman Pontiff in the proper sense of the term. The uh, the primacy of the Roman Pontiff is a full and absolute jurisdiction, to use the words of Pope Pius XII, a full and absolute jurisdiction over the entire world. Uh, that's based on almost verbatim from the uh, solemn definition of the First Vatican, First Vatican Council, Pastor Aeternus, where the the primacy is actually defined as a total fullness of supreme power. And I emphasize the word total, total fullness of supreme power, that is uh, a jurisdiction, a primacy of jurisdiction, which is a total fullness of supreme power. All authority in the church under the Pope is hierarchically subordinate to the Pope's primacy, which is full, a full and supreme jurisdiction, again, straight out of Pastor Aeternus. And that's why the Pope has the power to issue apostolic constitutions, motu proprio, impose on the universal church decrees. That's properly the authority given by Jesus Christ to St. Peter and his successors. According to the final document of the of the Synod of of uh, the Belgian Synod on Synodality, it is stated quite explicitly that the this authority, whether it be bishops or or the or the primacy, must be exercised synodally, and it cannot disregard the input and recommendations and such of the of the subordinates. And this, this is this is a synodal church, which is, in other words, it's going to be a church without the primacy as it was defined, uh, by the Catholic Church, as it was defined under Pope Pius IX. It is a different kind of primacy, making the Pope the primus inter pares. He is a figurehead, a chairman of the board pope, and that is the kind of papacy that you're going to have in the synodal church.

The blueprint for the synodal church, of course, we can see it historically. It comes from the prototype. The very prototype of the synodal church is that counter-church that was uh, uh, founded by King Henry VIII in England. And this is simply going to be uh, the, the structure of the church. Of that church, of that false church, is going to be absorbed into uh, the remaining infrastructure, structure of the Catholic Church, and it's going to constitute this, the synodal church, uh, in exactly the same manner as the uh, as the Anglican Church, as the Anglican Communion. And that will be, that is the counterfeit church that is uh, foretold in the third secret of Fatima.

>> We see this sort of rolling out right now. I mean, the synodal church, Publio has called this the synodal church. We must be synodal, and so on. When, when do you see this starting? When, when did this begin? Are we at the synodal church right now? Uh, or is it yet to come? Where, where is that?

>> I could compare it to the Protestant Reformation, because the Reformation didn't take place in one instant. There was a process that had to be undergone for the transformation of the of those ecclesial organizations in the Reformation countries, where they transitioned from being Catholic into becoming recognizably publicly separate as Protestant entities. So right now, uh, the the uh, the Vatican apparatus is in the process of making of bringing about that transition. [snorts] Which will be the consummation of the Reformation. Luther and the reformers were not intending to se, to u, create, to found, establish separate uh, communities. They wanted to reform the church. That was their idea. Reforming the church according to their uh, their own conception uh, of what should be the constitution of the church. Where we have uh, through the infallible teaching of Sacred Scripture and Tradition, uh, we have, we as Catholics profess what we understand and and know to be revealed by God uh, as the divine constitution of the church. And we can never have a synodal church, because the synodal church uh, is an entity that defects from the, it defects from the Catholic Church. With the consummation of the of of the construction and setting up the constitution of the synodal church, you will have the separation of the of the synodal church from the Catholic Church, as every heresy has always begun as a cancer within. And that is eventually, by the very natural process, it, it expels itself and and and and separates itself from the body of the church, because the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. Our Lord Jesus Christ made that promise. The the divine constitution of the church remains intact, even when the church is reduced and has to go into hiding and is reduced in numbers, as was foretold already in 1969 by Father Joseph Ratzinger, even before he was made a cardinal. So we're going to see that taking place. When he became Pope Benedict, later on, be, many decades later, Pope Benedict wrote an article that appeared in the uh, uh, head of correspondence. I don't remember the exact title of the article. He wrote it in German. I, I downloaded it, unfortunately for a price. I couldn't get it free, but I was able to download it in the German text, and it was a very enlightening article on Ticonius. He was a follower of the heresy of Marcion. He had one great idea, and such a great idea that Pope Benedict referred to him as a great theologian, because that one idea so distinguished him. It was that the heretics within, camouflaged within the body of the church, and this is theologically well explained, by the way, by uh, by St. Robert Bellarmine, and his uh, his great work, The Controversies, on and that section that deals with the church, on the members of the church, for example, you, you'll find it there, I think. And I've quoted it in my book. What Ticonius is saying is that they are members of the church, even though they're heretics, because they are, they, they could be secretly heretics, they can be spouting heretical ideas, but they don't formally openly defect from the Catholic faith, and they don't formally announce their separation from the Catholic Church. So they are heretics within. And we still have that today, heretics within. But what they are doing leaves, leads inevitably to the separation from the separation, a formal separation from the Catholic Church, because the reformation that they're carrying out, is of its very nature a defection from the Catholic Church. When you profess a different faith publicly and openly, you separate yourself from the Catholic Church. And this is, this is explained by uh, Pope Pius XII. This idea was explained by Ticonius, that they eventually expel themselves and they become another entity, a different church, a different sect opposed to the church. So this is what the synodal church will become. It will separate itself from the church. The Catholic Church will undergo a terrible persecution, and it will have the per, the p, the persecution will have the uh, the backing of, not just the backing, it will be uh, uh, led by secular authorities. And you're going to have, under the United Nations, the world government, the the world republic, warned [clears throat] uh, Benedict XV in 1920. Pope Benedict XV warns about those who want to set up the world republic, and that these are the worst of men who are who are trying to set this up. And we see it in now, uh, accelerating, and it's going to, it's going to uh, it's going to be worldwide. It's going to happen in the whole world. And as is difficult for me to uh, explain in a few minutes, because it's, it's, it's being carried out differently, being implemented differently in different countries, but the blueprint and the directives are all coming from the same place, and it's being carried out similarly, but not identically, but similarly all over, especially the Western world. It's going to create the New World Order, which uh, I can sum up in one phrase. It's the title of a book by uh, F. William Engdahl, and he explains it very well. It's called Full Spectrum Dominance. And what, what is [clears throat] Full Spectrum Dominance? Well, it is a global Auschwitz. It is uh, a synthesis, as it were, of the Brave New World of Huxley and the 1984 of George Orwell. For those who are of the favored party, it's going to be more like Brave New World. For those who are uh, to use, to use an old Soviet term, those who are not socially friendly to the government, it will be more like 1984. And beyond that, Orwell gave us even better image in Animal Farm. Those who are not of the favored party, those who are not socially friendly, as estimated according to the criteria of government, uh, they will be uh, othered. They are the others. They are to be reduced to the status of animals, farm animals. That, that, that image was chosen very well by Orwell, and it was deliberate. Those who are not favored by the government will be treated as animals. No rights. The Hebrew term, of course, is Goyim, cattle. And that's the farm animals. And that's what human beings will be treated like under this New World Order.

Pope Pius XII, uh, and I, and I quote, the, I, I give you the precise uh, reference in quot, in in quotation, in in my book, the book I mentioned earlier, Pius XII, shortly after the Second World War, he had mystical revelations when he usually when he took his walks in the Vatican gardens. And on one occasion, after one such uh, experience, he said, "Mankind will soon undergo such suffering, such as the world has never experienced before. It's going to be a hell on earth. That's going to be so global, so universal, there's going to be hardly any escape from it."

A book written, published in 1807, with the prophecies of the a man called Zachary the Jew, who was in fact a Catholic, but he began receiving his revelations from God when he was still Jewish. And the revelations were so Catholic that he converted to the Catholic faith. And uh, his revelations were compiled by a by a Catholic priest named Father Fatichelli, who edited them and published them in a book called The Day of Wrath, and described that great war that will take place between North America and what he called the Empire of the North. An empire of the North. He described the dimensions of it, and it's roughly the dimensions of the uh, of the Soviet, communist, and the Chinese communist empires. That geographical area, that geographical mass, will be the the uh, comprise the the territories of the Empire of the North. The leaders of the West, in their arrogance, will be driven insane. And we see that now. We see that now. The Empire of the North will fire its missiles on North America, and North America will fall. And then I give you the line from Zachary's own words: "And then the whole world fell under the domination of the firstborn of hell." This is why Our Lady of Fatima wanted the consecration of Russia, because, as Malachi Martin said, "Why did heaven choose Russia?" People seem to think that the Western powers, America in particular, is going to save the world from this kind of communistic uh, domination. But no, the decisive power to turn the tables on that Antichrist empire will be Russia. And that is why Russia has to be consecrated to Our Lady.

>> Unreal. Father, I'm trying to get some understanding of sort of your timeline of things, because if you're suggesting that when Canada's hit, or whatever, the firstborn of hell, meaning the Antichrist is revealed, or there, or takes control, or whatever. Um, what about the period of peace that's to be given to the world? So, you know, I guess most people thought that, or or many people thought, if they pay any attention to prophecy, that, you know, perhaps it's going to be some kind of period of peace, then eventually Antichrist, and then the consummation of the world, when, you know, we're freed from Antichrist by our Lord, or St. Michael the Archangel, or whomever. But how do you see things unfolding? And um, because the the timeline matters, especially if, or or because there is some postulation we've already received the the period of peace, but I think that's nonsense, um, because Russia's not converted, she hasn't been consecrated, and so on. So, what, what are you looking at?

>> A short book written by St. John of the Cross outlines the the three opinions uh, about the reign of Antichrist. And one is that it will take place immediately, uh, before the Second Coming of Christ, before the end of the world. Another is that there'll be a brief period, I believe, yeah, a brief period given to the world afterward, after the reign of Antichrist. And the other opinion is there'll be a long period of of of peace. There's also so many prophecies, very credible prophecies, from from people who are venerated by the church, some saints, some others on their way to sainthood, prophesied that not only is there going to be that Antichrist foretold in scripture, but there's going to be one who is something of a of a forerunner. And that's very possible, a precursor. Because if there's one uh, notable precursor among them all, we can also say there have been several before then who are who are Antichrist precursors. The ones that come to mind are Stalin, Hitler, in particular. Hitler and Stalin. I remember one of Stalin's cabinet ministers, he had this burning desire to be the Antichrist. That, that was his, that's what he aspired to become the Antichrist in his day. Of course, it was Stalin who filled that role. Stalin was not such, not the Antichrist as we know. And in fact, Stalin, at the at the worst time of World War II, when it seemed that Russia was in mortal danger of being annihilated by Germany, Stalin, even at night, went into the Orthodox church, Orthodox church, and and and prayed before the Blessed Sacrament. So it seems like he may have had some inkling of conversion uh, at at a moment of need. But of course, at that moment indeed passes away, and they return to their evil ways. The Antichrist foretold uh, by St. Paul in the Thessalonians letter, Second of Thessalonians, is someone who will be so obstinate, of course, that Christ will destroy him with the breath of his mouth. [sighs] When that will come, I don't know. We could see it in our own days. It's possible. I don't deny it's possible. It's one of the one of the opinions listed by St. John. There's also very possible we'll see a precursor. Uh, the church would be dominated by Sister Jeanne Le Royer, prophesied in the late 1700s, the the church would undergo about one half century of eclipse, and that would culminate with the the reign of, she didn't say a pope, it's very interesting, the man who would be uh, causing such harm to the church, she didn't call him a pope, she said a bad priest, and that this uh, would be a signal, like a prophetic marker, of the impending reign of Antichrist. And we seem to see this being fulfilled in our own time. We will have the consecration of Russia. And the consecration of Russia going to take place in our own days. I'll explain that in a moment. But it seems that the reign of Antichrist is still some decades off. So we, it may be a short reign of peace that will last a few decades. This is possible. It could last longer. But just according to Sister Jeanne Le Royer, that's, it would take place in the 2080s, around roughly around, I think, 2086 or so, around there about, so about 60 years from now. People need to be aware. There's a, I saw a French language website that was warning that giving you a spurious text, that this is not in the original book, that is disinformation. When I did the research for my second volume of To Deceive the Faithful, I went back to the like the 1819 edition. I was reading out of the out of the 1819 edition of the uh, the five-volume work of the Revelations to Sister Jeanne Le Royer. Our Lord Jesus Christ said, "If the end doesn't come in the 20th century, the following century will not be completed." Her testimony, her prophecies are very credible, highly credible. She was, she had a reputation of sanctity. She's a, she's someone who is is very credible as a as a prophetic source. Only God knows. We do not, we do not, even the angels of heaven do not know the day or the hour of the Second Coming and when will be the reign of the Antichrist and how long after the Antichrist reign will come, that Second, that Second Coming. Whether it will be some 60 years from now or not, I think it's, I, it is credible. I'll put it that way. It is a credible prophecy. In the meantime, we're going to see in our own days the fulfillments of what was foretold by Pope Pius XII, that mankind will soon undergo such suffering, such as the world has never experienced before. You want to understand what that is like? I've already explained. It's going to be a global Auschwitz. And uh, uh, people are going to be from coast to coast in the United States. They're going to find themselves in a maximum security prison, full spectrum dominance. The surveillance state is being so totally set up now. Humanly speaking, there's no escape from it. There's no escape. And all civil rights are now being taken away. People are being arrested on the streets. Uh, absolutely no respect for the rule of law. Uh, it used to be that you had a Fourth Amendment, that if, if officers came to your door and demanded your papers, you could say, "Kindly leave my property. Do you have a warrant? If you don't have a judicial warrant, you can't, you can't enter my property. Please leave." Now, they'll break down your door and they'll accuse you of assaulting a federal officer. So far, since we don't have martial law, they can't get away with that just yet, because they arrest people, but then they have to let them go, because every case that goes before a judge, the judge dismisses the charges because the people's, people's rights are being violated. But this has established a precedent. This sets the precedent, the terrible precedent. Uh, what is foretold in prophecy, and not only in prophecy, but in many books, I mean, going back to going back to the 1980s, where it was described how we would have a a total ruthless dictatorial rule where people will have no rights, no defense. People are going to be dragged out of their homes, sent into uh, concentration camps, and there's going to be mass executions. The ones who are considered particularly dangerous will be immediately executed. Those are the ones that they, on the so-called red list. And I, I read about especially, I was reading about this in the 1990s, how they were, how this was planned. This is the Masonic blueprint for a global Auschwitz, a hell on earth. Our Lord Jesus Christ uh, is the King, the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords. He's the uh, Christ the King, who, who his kingdom is over the whole world. His sovereignty is over the whole world. The human race, the human race rejects his sovereignty, his rule. So they prefer the devil. And so in his justice, God is punishing the world by letting sinful humanity, rebellious humanity, is going to have to suffer the the domination of Satan. They've chosen to have, they've chose to have Satan rule over them, and they're going to experience what that is, and it will be a suffering such as the human race has never experienced before.

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Padre Pio spoke of an illumination of conscience, as has, as have many. Are we to expect that also in our lifetimes, or just this period of suffering? Where do you think the illumination of conscience lies?

I can't give the the day or the hour. I can't even give you the year. But my instinct tells me that it's going to be this year. Probably this spring, probably. I'm, again, I'm making an educated guess. I'm not making a prophecy. I'm not making a prediction, even. I'm just saying it's, it is an educated uh, speculation that I'm making, that I, I think it is, it is quite possible and and and quite likely that it, that this is the year. Recent prophecies seem to to pinpoint this year as the the year that we find the first major events of the chastisement. Uh, that the great chastisement will be in full force, uh, sometime afterward. Maybe next year, or maybe the end of this year, maybe next year. But this year, we're going to see some major significant events where the world is going to experience the brunt of the of the great chastisement. It's even foretold in scripture that God is going to shake the, God is going to shake the whole world down to its foundations, as we read in the book of Psalms.

Now, Father, many people will contest and say that, you know, the the third secret of Fatima was revealed in 2000, and there really is not, you know, this, this in it. Um, what for you are points one, two, and three to say that's nonsense? This is obvious uh, that the full secret wasn't revealed. And uh, what do you actually believe is in the third secret? So, few questions there.

There are so many cardinals who have spoken about the content of the third secret of Fatima. They can't all be out of their mind. They can't all be lying. Cardinal Ottaviani spoke of the third secret revealing that the the great apostasy in the church. Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi, Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi spoke of uh, the third secret of Fatima reveals that the great apostasy in the church will begin at the top. Padre Pio, of course, confided to Father Amorth, that very same thing, that there will be a counterfeit church, and that Satan has penetrated into the bosom of the church, and it will soon be at the head, at the top of a of a counterfeit church. Cardinal Ottaviani, same thing. He actually composed this, what they refer to as the diplomatic version of the secret, which is a lot of narrative that he created, interspersed with some actual content of the third secret, which is not giving you the particular details, but in giving you the general substance of the third secret. And that was even believed for some time by by people to be uh, the actual text of the third secret, but it was not. There was another version, very similar to it, that said the same thing. The third secret from, again, Cardinal Stritch was another who who spoke of the third secret. Father, Father Malachi Martin [sighs]. They're all telling us that there's going to be this counterfeit church. Malachi Martin quoted Cardinal Bea, by not revealing the secret, they're condemning a multitude of souls to hell. Father Malachi spoke of that, that by revealing the third secret, revealing the third secret would give an antidote to protect the souls of Catholics from being deceived. Our Lord Jesus Christ said that the deception will be so great that were it possible, even the elect would be deceived. And that's why Our Lady gave the third secret of Fatima to protect the souls of the Catholic faithful from this deception. What have the Popes done? They thought they know better than heaven, and they keep the third secret hidden. And they are responsible, and they will answer to God for the damnation of millions of souls that could have been saved if people had been warned in time. That is, I think, the most, the most grave thing in the in the third secret of Fatima, because the message of Fatima, the secret begins with the vision of hell, and the purpose of the, the purpose of the, of the, of the message of Fatima and the secret of Fatima is to save souls from hell. Now, we have a Vatican that's suggesting, and even saying, that uh, that nobody goes to hell. Our Lady said in Fatima that uh, if the message isn't heeded, if people don't return to God, if people don't amend their lives and return to God, the whole world is going to be punished. And she outlines those punishments in the third secret. The Vatican is telling us this, Tucho Fernandez character is telling us that any revelation that uh, threatens divine punishment is not from God. Our Lord gives us the final warning, which is from his mother. That's how serious it is.

There will be the false church. There will be the counterfeit church. There will be the one-world order, the universal false religion under the under a counterfeit church, united with other uh, denominations, other religions, all united in one, um, great, uh, mongrel entity of of of of different religions. It is a great babble of religions. And those who will not go along with that are going to be hunted down with the intention of exterminating every last Catholic from the face of the earth. And that's what we're looking at. And when we see the the brute force that is now being applied by governments in all the Western countries to grind the ordinary people, the common man, the common people under the power of state. Brute force is now being applied. You comply or die. And that's what it's going to be. That's what it's leading to. We see especially in the in in the United Kingdom, to some extent, it's, it's happening in Ireland too. The apparatus is being set up for that total tyranny of brute force. In the United States, uh, it'll be worse than it is in Canada. It's going to be a lot worse than it is in Canada. In Canada, it has been pretty bad at times in these last couple of years, but the things are shaping up to that [clears throat] full spectrum dominance. The back, it's a book is free of charge. It could be downloaded by F. William Engdahl. It explains this full spectrum dominance. This is the plan. Has been around for a long time. It's a Masonic plan that you can, you can read about. It goes, it goes back centuries. They've been, this is the Antichrist's blueprint for his reign throughout the world. The Antichrist reign over the whole world. And it is being set up now, and being set up by people who, some of them, some of the stooges who are elected into office, don't even realize that they're doing the work of the devil to set up all the apparatus uh, for the Antichrist to to take the reins and subject the world to the most abject tyranny there has ever existed in all history.

>> Now, Father, you knew Father Nicholas Gruner very well. You worked with him for many, many years. You were involved with the Fatima Center. Father Gruner believed very strongly. Um, I, I saw video of him before he died, in Rome, I believe. And he basically said that Pope Francis was not uh, validly the Pope, because of the problem with Benedict's resignation. First of all, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. But secondly, what kind of a marker did was that to you? Was the election or of Bergoglio, or the resignation of Benedict, something that you saw as definitively marking a a time, you know, where we are in terms of the Fatima secret, or in terms of the end times?

>> Father Gruner did, in fact, make it very clear to me, and he said it in public, and at least on one occasion, very clearly in public, that the the election of Francis was invalid. I had explained the reasons why it is impossible that that Francis could be a valid Pope. Father Gruner was asking me to to write an extensive work explaining this in detail. I was not able to really get started for a while while he was alive. It was 2014. He was, he was becoming more insistent because I, we had already talked since [clears throat] since 2013, late 2013, was when he first brought brought that up with me. 2014, he was becoming more insistent that I write this book. And that was one of the last things he said to me, in our very last meeting before he died, in Sligo here in Ireland, uh, uh, that that he, he really needed for me to write this book. So I got, I got to, that was that was the last time was 2015, when he, uh, went, of course, just just weeks, several weeks before he died, where he became more more insistent that I write the book. So it was the following year, 2016, when I, when I really got got to work to start writing the book. It took me uh, about three years to write the book. 2019, I, the first, the first volume, only the first volume, I got written. The second volume, which is specifically about the invalidity of Francis as Pope, and the invalidity of [snorts] Benedict's resignation, uh, that, I got that written more quickly, because by the spring of 2021, it was done. I got it to the publisher, and it was, it was ready for publication. So I, I managed to become more efficient. It picked up speed. My, my skills in translation got much better. I was able to, I was able to translate uh, uh, the Ratzinger works from German into English. The quotations of the uh, the sections of the quot, somewhat lengthy quotations from from Ratzinger's works. I was able to quote at length uh, St. Robert Bellarmine with my own translations and such, St. Thomas Aquinas. Luckily, there are some public uh, access translations of St. Thomas that are very good. I just had to, had to tweak them a bit to get to get what I consider to be a more precise translation than what I found. And there I explain in detail and with with some theological depth and analysis why Francis was not and could not be a valid Pope. But that's again, that that would require a series of programs to to explain that at length. So I, I, I don't think I can quite get to it here. But it's, it's based on the teaching of Pope Innocent III. So, not only do you have the the invalidity of the resignation, which I've explained, but you have the incapacity of a heretic or unknown heretic to assume the papal office. It is impossible. And that is, is uh, that was first taught. It was not an opinion. It was taught from the pulpit in his authentic Magisterium. Pope Innocent III explained that the doctrine uh, originated, I won't say it originated, but it came immediately, as immediate source to uh, to Pope Innocent III when he was a student of canon law. First formulated the doctrine in a more complete manner than than the earlier, like 12th century canonists, where this idea is first originating, the French school of canonists in the middle, in in that period. And that was formulated in as a doctrine uh, by Pope Innocent III. Pope Innocent III. We see that implemented by uh, uh, the Council of Constance in Session 37, explaining that, if he were a valid Pope, that the, the Antipope Benedict XIII, Pedro de Luna, would have lost all office, all ecclesiastical office, and all ecclesiastical dignity would have been lost by himself, ipso facto, and they use the term ipso, by his public act of schism and his public profession of heresy, office is lost by by that act, that public act. And this is, this is not an opinion. This is the Council of Constance making that declaration. It is the teaching of Pope Innocent III, and this is a doctrine that was taken over by St. Robert Bellarmine, uh, explained systematically by St. Robert Bellarmine, even more systematically by uh, uh, Father Petro Paladini, and then in a in a more fuller context uh, by Pope Gregory XVI. Now, that's the basis. That's the doctrinal basis and the theological basis for me to, for me saying that, according to the, according to canonical tradition, according to the canon law, the canonical tradition, the canonical jurisprudence, and according to uh, dogmatic theology, ecclesiology in particular, that Francis could not have been a valid Pope. He was incapable. He was an, use the words of the great theologians like uh, uh, St. Alphonsus Liguori, like uh, Francesco Bordoni, an incapable subject of the papacy as a heretic. He is an incapable subject of the papacy, and as such, he can be judged by the Church. Because even if he wears the papacy, as says, a Pope cannot be judged. A doubtful Pope falls under the jurisdiction of the Church. The Church can judge a doubtful Pope. So if there is, according to the Church's own criteria, the canonical inditia of heresy, if the degree of suspicion, according to the canonical tradition, is such, is verified that the person falls under that degree of suspicion, that there's positive doubt that he is a valid Pope because he is a heretic, then he falls under the jurisdiction of the Church and can be judged by the Church and removed. And Pope Innocent, Pope Innocent III is the first one who who taught that, as Pope. And you have Pope Gregory XVI, in a in a private work, as a as a theologian, explained uh, in in greater, more more systematically and in greater detail, and taking into account all these other theologians that I've mentioned. So that's the foundation of my, of of of my uh, conclusion that Francis could not have been a valid Pope. I don't say this about Leo XIV, because although there is a degree of suspicion, the suspicion of heresy, there are plenty of uh, inditia to use the canonical term. And uh, Francesco Bordoni wrote two works on the prosecution of heretics and explaining the process of uh, how heretics are judged. St. Robert Bellarmine was also a high official of the Inquisition. He came a little bit before uh, Bordoni, Father Francesco Bordoni, who was a great scholar in his own right. They outline, especially Father Bon, Father Bordoni goes in more detail about what are those canonical inditia. What are the words and deeds of of of the of the suspect that qualify him as either under light suspicion, under vehement suspicion, or under violent suspicion of heresy. If there is violent, violent suspicion of heresy, then it's morally certain that the person is a formal heretic, and at that point, certainly he can, he can be judged by the Church. If there is vehement already vehement suspicion of heresy, cast doubt on the validity of of whether the Pope is a valid Pope or not. But if there's vehement suspicion of heresy, it's not morally certain that he's not a valid Pope. That's something the negligence of the pastors of the Church who don't investigate and and don't institute a process, because as one who was suspect of heresy, gravely suspect of heresy, that man, that presumed Pope, there is positive doubt about the validity of his claim on the papacy, and he can be judged by the Church. Canon law distinguishes, and I go to the uh, the classic formulation, and this is where so many mistakes are made. In the 1917 Code of Canon Law, we see the clear-cut distinction between heretics, which

Are to say those who are guilty of the crime of heresy, formal heretics, and those who are suspect of heresy. Now, the canonical process to be instituted for heretics, for suspected heretics, for those who are under suspicion, that penal process regarding canonical warnings that is, uh, decreed for those who are suspect of heresy. But those who are simply heretics, those who are guilty, those who are simply heretics, they are excommunicated. They are outside of the church. And the Code of Canon Law, the 1917 code as well as the 1983 code, says that those who publicly deflect from the faith automatically lose office. The 1917 code was very clear in the manner that the code, that the canon was formulated from the highest to the lowest office, whether that includes the Pope himself. If he were, if it is possible for a Pope, a true invalid Pope, if it's possible for him to defect from the faith publicly, then he would necessarily lose office, uh, automatically. And I've quoted the most authoritative, uh, works of canon law that that explain this matter in my book.

Where do you see the difference between Francis and Leo such that Francis you could judge as a heretic formally and Leo not? So what did Francis do that's so different from Leo, or what did Leo do that's so different from Francis?

I think it's most easily explained in terms of the criteria given in a definition, uh, of a formal heretic given by Father Francisco Bordoni, who was a qualificator. Uh, it was his job to, uh, assess the qualification of the degree of suspicion or the sentence of heresy, uh, on the suspect to pass the judgment to be judged simply as a formal heretic. Uh, it's not enough that a person says something heretical, but he must make the assertion. He must be asserting it. So he's professing, he's professing the heresy. He's asserting to heresy. He is, uh, asserting it in such a manner that it is beyond all shadow of doubt that, uh, he is knowingly and deliberately, uh, with the full *mens rea* of crime, asserting against what he knows to be the dogma of the faith, against the faith of the church. And if he is, this is the pertinacity which is the form of the sin of heresy which makes a person a formal heretic. So if he makes such a blunt assertion that it's clear from his words and from the context that he knows full well that he is denying what is universally known by Catholics to be dogma of the faith, insists on asserting it and professing it anyways. He is corrected. He is ignoring the correction. He is, uh, showing contempt toward those who correct him and saying that they are psychologically deranged. And he re, and he doubles down and repeats the heresy and, uh, on multiple points, some really egregious heresies. Then, uh, as Father Bodoni says, not only can you not give such a person, it's, it's, it's counterproductive. It's, it's, it's [laughter] not needed, and it is, uh, not only is not needed, but it should not be, uh, such a person should no longer even be given any kind of warnings, but he's a heretic and needs to be judged as a heretic. And that is, uh, as I, as I have, uh, cataloged those heresies of, of Bergoglio, that qualify him as clearly and unmistakably as a formal heretic. So that is why I judge him to be a heretic. Whereas Leo, he has not been that, uh, blunt and not that, uh, clear in expressing pertinacity and contempt for the faith, uh, in the manner of Bergoglio, even though there is, uh, every reason to suspect that, uh, he is just as bad or worse. Uh, but again, I can only judge according to the, uh, canonical, uh, *indicia*, according to the church's jurisprudence and canonical tradition, and that's why I can only prudently go so far as to say that, uh, Leo is gravely suspect, vehemently suspect, perhaps even bordering on violently suspect of heresy, but still a suspect and not, uh, unmistakably, undoubtedly, and beyond all shadow of doubt, a formal heretic. Therefore, I'd say he is doubtfully Pope, but I cannot assert that he is not a valid Pope, as I could confidently do in the case of Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

Father, we will have to end it there. I want to thank you for your time. I'm going to have to have you back on because we have so much more to explore. I would ask, uh, in conclusion, please, uh, give us your blessing.

Amen. Thank you so much, Father. Uh, may God bless you and God bless all of you, and we'll see you next time.

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