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Assalamu Alaikum, welcome to Third Umpire. The United Nations Human Rights Council has made a demand, stating that Imran Khan's solitary confinement should be ended, and the inhumane detention conditions must also be completely abolished. How will the state of Pakistan respond to this? How much pressure will it bring? Apart from that, a related matter involves Jemima Khan, addressing Elon Musk on X platform, informing him that his AI search engine, Grok, is indicating that the reach of two types of accounts globally is algorithmically being slowed down, their followers are decreasing, and their replies and poll boosting are starting to decline. Grok itself is stating this, and what are these two topics that, when discussed, lead to all this? One is discussing anti-regime sentiments in Pakistan and speaking in favor of Imran Khan, and the second is speaking in favor of Palestine. So, X is doing that on purpose. This is what Jemima Khan is trying to make a case against X. What will be the situation regarding that? Because this matter has started to gain significant momentum internationally. And then, lastly, we will discuss Khawaja Asif, the Defense Minister of Pakistan. General Faiz has been punished. He also has some favors from him. But why is he repeatedly coming back to General Bajwa? To involve him in this as well. The demand is valid, but what is the story behind it? And apart from that, when they say that some conspiratorial elements are still trying to get Imran Khan released. It's a very interesting matter, sir. Habib sahib, how are you? Absolutely fine. Sir, did you read the press release from the UNHRC? Yes, I read it. What impact do you think this will have in Pakistan? Firstly, as a reporter, I am a little happy because I had told you that after November and December, this matter would start to internationalize. And now this matter has started to internationalize. Before this, there was also a statement from a subordinate body of the United Nations regarding the 27th amendment, stating that this 27th amendment has destroyed the independence of the judiciary and caused the country to slip from the path of democracy. They also talked about immunity. Yes, they also talked about immunity, and along with that, you are now seeing that a voice is being raised from there regarding Imran Khan, and you also mentioned Jemima. So, these three things that are apparently visible to you, and all three are at a very low level. It's not that the UN Secretary-General has said it, or the United Nations has passed a resolution. This discussion happened from Geneva. Similarly, the first matter was also raised by a subordinate body. Jemima also has a connection with them; in fact, in the tweet you are referring to, she herself wrote Khan in brackets. Jemima Goldsmith Khan Khan. Yes, so that connection also exists. Therefore, looking at these three things, you can say that just like a car starts with a self-start, this car is starting. After this, it will move forward, and this matter will continue to internationalize. It will continue to internationalize. Now, perhaps the State of Pakistan will not respond to it. However, you will have to wait until next Wednesday. Okay. Usually next Wednesday, or on the day of the Foreign Ministry's briefing, they will tell you. If a correspondent asks a question there, their answer might be given. Alternatively, even if it is not answered now, it will have to be answered in the coming period. This response, this kind of response, is like when Ms. Iman Mazari came to the Supreme Court when the hearing was ongoing to stop the case, the Norwegian ambassador came, and then we issued a very strong demarche to them, and they even called it a violation of some convention, saying that you are interfering in the country's affairs. Although he was just there as an observer. Yes, look, I didn't understand why that demarche was issued. There must be some convention, I am not a student of international law to speculate on it, whether an ambassador can go somewhere, but as far as I remember, in the Bhutto case, something similar happened where some journalists or some other people were allowed to sit, but I don't know now, what the situation is, legally. I am talking about the response, that there will be no response to this either. Now, your response will change. See, when you imprisoned Imran Khan, then actually, after that, whatever response you have to give, you have to give it by combining your local law and international law, because Pakistan is a signatory to many such conventions, treaties, in which it is decided what the judicial system will be in these countries that have signed it, and how justice will be done in the courts. So, all those things will happen. Anyway, this matter that is currently ongoing, it is related to the UACR, and not just the UACR, but an institution related to it. Yes, yes, the Human Rights Council. Yes. Now, this is a multilateral matter. I fear, and my understanding is, that in the coming days, Imran Khan will also become a bilateral issue with whom? With America. With many countries. Okay. Regarding the American matter, sir, I am doubtful about that. The reason is that we are taking legitimacy from America. America needs us on many fronts. America, especially Donald Trump, even if you set aside the state of America for a moment. Because he is what American journalists now call a super-presidency, in which he has ruined the executive as well. He is even printing his picture on coins. Okay, I didn't know this. They have new ideas coming, which is also that because it's 250 years of American independence, they want to put it on coins. Trump. Okay, I thought maybe it was a meme coin that was on Acto. Yes. Okay, that they are also putting it in real life, the $1 coin. See, all the appeasement of Donald Trump, and about which I read an article in the Financial Times today, it was about how Pakistan managed to appease Donald Trump. These are coming consistently, and the whole world is watching and learning lessons from it, that this person is a narcissist, and this is his method, he has us under control. The problem is that the world is watching this, and it is also being observed in American politics. The direction American politics is heading, there are not many options left for Trump to do whatever he wants. This is why you have seen in the recent past that the speed of his every action has been increasing. So, now his abstention files are backfiring. His tariffs are starting to backfire. His political difficulties have begun. Now, the political front that will form against him will change many things. So, you will see changes starting to happen in the coming period. Okay, and along with that, there is another issue, which is that Pakistan's commitment to Indonesia for the forces in Gaza. Yes. Now, the world understands from that that Pakistan is backing out of it. Yes. Okay, all these things combined, because we made big promises, right? Yes. So, now those big promises also have to be fulfilled, right? So, fulfilling them will become difficult for us. So, my worst fear for that is that Imran Khan will be used as leverage. He will be used as leverage, saying do this, do that, or else do this, or else. And when you reach this point, then you cannot stay on that slope for long. May God forbid such a situation arises. But I am assuring you that in the coming period, you will repeatedly hear the echo of Imran Khan's issue in the international media, repeatedly. And its political consequences will arise within Pakistan. Okay. Okay. When we talk about Elon Musk, whom Jemima sahib asked on X, and then she gave very impressive numbers, stating that with so many numbers, the posts of my children received less than 3% reaction from Pakistan, and what is their overall reach in millions worldwide, all that. She said that in Pakistan, it is a planned effort, which she calls targeted pressure, algorithmic prioritization, and selective silence. She spoke in detail about all those things. But Elon Musk, running X, which otherwise claims to be about free speech, but what is it? It was written in the growth response that truth exists there, but it is invisible. Yes, exactly. We did not do that. Now, it is not possible that Elon Musk and Twitter adopted this algorithm regarding any anti-regime post, and there was no American pressure behind it, or that it is not being used as a strategic tool for leverage with Pakistan. The leverage is that you are good children. You did this work. Take this toy. So, do all these things. Therefore, Elon Musk, and he has been a big proponent of Doge, earlier, right? Yes, all that he is doing there. But they are still the same thing. See, in America, Trump and businesses, in their final analysis, remain businesses. Just like they left Doge, they left it somewhat unceremoniously. Okay. But do you know why? Tesla's sales. Tesla's sales started to drop. Right. Valid point. Okay. Valid point. Okay. Similarly, when it comes to Twitter, your voice, my voice, perhaps, or yours matters, mine doesn't matter as much. But she is just a peace-loving journalist, an international journalist. Now, Jemima Khan's tweets, they have a say internationally. So, what will be the result? Your course correction will happen automatically. Businesses, to a certain extent, go along with politics, and after that, they become even more ruthless, and American businesses are very ruthless. And there is no environment like Pakistan there, where because you belong to the other party, your petrol pump is closed, your flour mill is demolished, your house is broken. That sign is not there, right? Yes, that's true. Okay. Therefore, there, and also, you see, the board of directors is also enough to hold Donald Trump accountable. He gives money with one hand and grabs the neck with the other. So, all these things will happen. Okay, sir. This is its international side. Now, let's come to the domestic side. That is, yesterday I was talking to a senior leader of PTI, and his opinion on General Faiz's punishment was that this strong message being given to us by the government is an attempt to bargain with us, saying that do minus one, and then you will be fine. Minus one, this is an attempt to put pressure. And yesterday, I saw Faisal Vawda sitting on TV, saying that Tehreek-e-Insaf has agreed to minus one, and they have done it, just let us speak, let us make videos. So, even if we set aside Faisal Vawda for now, if we talk internally, even if international pressure comes, some things here have to be solved here. Question: See, this minus one story. If Imran Khan sahib goes abroad, then minus one can happen. Okay? This can happen. It will still be very difficult. But still, you can say that okay, now it's minus one. Okay, Imran Khan sahib makes a deal. And he himself gets minus in his deal. These are two scenarios. And these two scenarios are known to you, to me, and to all of Pakistan that they are not going to happen. Yes. So, if you want to find a solution to the political crisis by making Imran Khan minus one, then fundamentally, you are nowhere. You are going in the wrong direction, whose destination is unknown, nor are the troubles that will come in the way. So, therefore, this is out of the question. This minus one is a great desire. My opinion is that this minus one story is a reaction, not an action. Now, don't ask me what it's a reaction to. No, no, okay. Okay, right? Correct. I am not asking. Yes. So, this is a reaction. Minus one is not happening. This is something from some time ago, when Khan sahib was also in talks, I wouldn't call it a deal, but when matters were moving towards some settlement, this was last year. So, a very important personality, very important, told those people who were acting as interlocutors, go-betweens in these matters, you know them. Yes, regarding the youth, he said, brother, this youth is so much, and we cannot disappoint them. This is not possible. How can we resolve this matter? So, remembering that old story, it's not possible that today the equation of youth has ended. What he used to say then, what is in his mind today? See, in the world, this situation in Pakistan is unique, for which our elders should offer gratitude, and that is that wherever these movements have happened in the world, they have happened without a leader. And then the new leaders who came did not listen to anything at all. Take the example of Bangladesh. Take the example, God forbid, I am not saying that it should be replicated here, replicated here. Okay? God forbid, I am not saying this. But why doesn't it happen here? The reason is that at this moment, Imran Khan is present before you as a hope. Okay. Anyway, his results were also not that great. Okay. See, countries never change overnight. That, sir, there was a revolution today, and tomorrow everyone will start getting bread. It doesn't happen like that. Yes, absolutely correct. What actually happens is that you recalibrate the power structure. Revolutions are named after this, aren't they? Recalibration of the power structure. What is the best way for its recalibration? Democracy. So that it happens gradually. Sir, if there is a revolution here, then there will be a counter-revolution. Yes. Now, the problem is that this will not happen here, or this youth movement. Yes. This will happen as long as Imran Khan is present. He has stopped many people in between. That's what I'm assuring you. You know this, that it was said. So, if you disappoint them, there are two paths to disappointment. There are two consequences of disappointment. One is, according to Ibn Khaldun, people leave the country, and the more capable and wealthy they are, the sooner they leave. Yes. And finally, those who are left behind, like me, useless, good for nothing, enemies of grain. Yes. What do they do? The country doesn't run with them, nor does anything else happen. Okay. One is this, and the second is that people start fighting amongst themselves, and in that situation too, the top people start leaving, which I am saying at a social level. Okay? See, both these situations are happening in Pakistan. Yes. And Pakistan's. Now, if you say this is related to politics, then some people get offended. That, sir, how can this happen? How can it be related to politics? Okay. Now, brother, when you ask with so much anger, how did this happen related to politics? How can you say? Then, brother, after that, someone like me will be afraid and remain silent. If you fix Pakistan's politics, all problems will be solved. Those who settle colonies on stars are extinguishing their lamps on Earth. If you light the lamps of Earth, the sky will automatically illuminate. Suddenly, your words reminded me of Ibn Khaldun. You were saying that the first reaction is that people leave, especially the capable ones. In America, the debate currently going on after Donald Trump's arrival, that this far-right is encroaching on space, all that. So, they are reverting back to the founding fathers and the Declaration of Independence. In that, I read a very interesting thing recently that Thomas Jefferson said in that era, which is called the American Dream, that countries where there is no natural aristocracy do not progress in that way, and America has grown a natural aristocracy. That patronizing or elite class is not in Pakistan. Pakistan's natural aristocracy, meaning those who have earned wealth or prestige on their own merit, are leaving. They are leaving. The problem is, see, the elite is sitting there. No, that's not the elite. There is no elite in Pakistan. We affectionately call Pakistan's elite a group of thieves, formed from illegal means in the 1947-1960s. None of them are genuine. Even after '85. Okay. And even after '85. Okay. Therefore, you say that this is an elite. It is not even an elite in the traditional sense. That is why every elite is accused of theft. Yes. That is why this is not an elite. If they were built on their own strength, through their own hard work, then people would respect them. How many businessmen are there in Pakistan who can write their own book? Only a few. Yes. Otherwise, you get a book written, saying, brother, where did this money come from? Settle the accounts. Here, even the Prime Minister does not have receipts. Okay. By the way, the current Prime Minister, you are talking about the old one, Nawaz Sharif, but the current Prime Minister, on the day he was to be subjected to injustice, he became the Prime Minister. Yes, he became the Prime Minister. Before that, he had back pain. Therefore, in this situation, going in this direction will be difficult. But I will give you some news. Please, I will tell you that in the coming days, strictness will increase, and reactions will increase. Okay. Yes. And PTI, within PTI, people are increasingly leaning towards that side. Who say that there is no solution to the movement's de-escalation. Sir, still, it's okay, right? It's not a solution in any way. Yes, it's not a solution. Yes, that's correct. It's not. Anyway, let's move on. That next, this General Faiz matter. Yes. This is also not over yet. I was just coming to that. Okay. Yes. First of all, you were saying that there is no businessman here who can say where their money came from, and all that. So, the IMF has bound the civil bureaucracy to the state, that civil bureaucrats, their assets within and outside the country must be declared. So, at least some beginning is being made. Yes, something is starting somewhere. Khawaja Asif sahib, who is he trying to embarrass repeatedly? Everyone knows, and I agree with him, by the way. General Bajwa and General Faiz were hand in glove. We were talking yesterday too. It's not possible that General Faiz was acting independently without restraint, what he was doing. Bajwa sahib would have known. But why was he never arrested by this institution? Why was he never indicted? Why is he repeatedly going back there? Then putting pressure. Pressure for what? See, one is the fear of the 28th amendment. Okay. The issue of provinces in it is tricky. It's tricky for PML-N too. Yes. PML-N doesn't speak much about it. The People's Party speaks a bit. Yes. Yes. So, the problem of the 28th amendment is why this pressure is being created on the establishment, that Bajwa too, Bajwa too. Now, because there is some sensitivity within the establishment regarding former chiefs. Yes. In the case of General Pervez Musharraf, all this was very evident. Yes. So, this tradition has been broken after a long time. This tradition has actually increased. Don't call it broken, that the DGISI has been held accountable. Yes. So, this is a new tradition, isn't it? This is a new beginning. Yes. Okay. But reaching the chief, in fact, pressure is being put on the establishment for that, to come towards this. Because when they go in that direction, then other problems will arise. Then the 28th amendment will not be discussed. So, fundamentally, this is a well-thought-out method. Yes. And the Defense Minister's statement. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. And along with that, he says that there are still some elements in the bureaucracy and other institutions who want Imran Khan's return. Okay. By the way, I know the names of some who want this. Who want this. The whole world, if you go towards elections, elections. There was a gentleman named Chatta, yes. Commissioner Rawalpindi. Yes. Yes. Liaquat Chatta. Liaquat Chatta sahib also made some statements. Yes. Okay. Internationally, there are many people in the world who do not accept these elections. Just like Chatta sahib, I don't know if he knows, maybe he doesn't know. Okay. No, he doesn't know. You might know. Okay. After that, there are many people within Pakistan. Actually, two to three crore people who voted, but the results came out differently. So, all these people want Imran Khan back. Okay. That's fine. Okay. In fact, within Sialkot itself, the majority are those who want Imran Khan back. That's correct. Yes. So, if you want to see the results, take out 47 from its original form and see. In fact, I will tell you, ask Sanghera sahib. Yes. Yes. What was his name? Iqbal Sanghera. Iqbal. Iqbal Sanghera sahib, ask him, sir, what people wanted on February 8, 204. People want the same thing today. Yes. Sanghera sahib will tell you about how many people want to go abroad. But anyway, in the sense he is talking, I don't think it's that much. This is also a pressure tactic. Okay. Yes. This could also be a pressure tactic. Yes. See, I can't do anything to you. Yes. What will I do? Politics is very simple. Yes. What will I do? What will I do? Your shirt is a little torn from behind. Yes. Okay. You won't look this way. There's also a bug sitting on one shoulder. You should set your hair. Okay. You came out like this. Just fix your tie. Yes. Okay. I don't think you bathed today. What is this? It means I have to get you out from the feet. Correct. Okay. They understand that people put bread in their ears. Yes. They don't know. Okay. And who is it pointing towards? That the people today also want to bring back. Okay. In your opinion, in your opinion, the PWD department wants to bring back. Maybe they are talking about WASA. They are talking about WASA. It could also be TIPA. Meaning, from the forgotten, they don't know who they are calling. Yes. Absolutely know. I am asking for the reason. And the reason is this. The 28th amendment. Okay. Faiz. Faiz. Faiz. Faiz. Faiz. The work of Faiz has started. Ah. Bajwa. Bajwa. Kamar Javed Bajwa. Okay. Now, looking at Kamar Javed Bajwa, it seems a bit difficult. So, on the other side. Yes. That, sir, people are still present today. This is also there, and that is also there, and so and so, and elections too. Yes. So, all this. There is a method in madness. Or are they not saying that if such a mood is created, then should we not go towards reconciliation? See, reconciliation is still in the future. It should happen, but it is also being delayed. Okay, let's meet tomorrow. Yes. Allah Hafiz.