Joe Rogan Experience #2223 - Elon Musk

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Uh, but, but if you want to sort of see like a vision of the future, it's like, basically, the, the, like, the top 20 and even the top 100 is like totally dominated by China. It's, yeah, this is like China and a little bit of Korea and Taiwan. So, you, are you in the top 20 in the world? Top 20? Wow. In DIA? Yeah, yeah. Do you want to tell everybody your handle? No, no, don't tell them. Don't tell them. It's not worth it. Well, they, they actually listed me with my actual name in the, in the list. Oh, did they really? Oh, interesting. Um, but, um, yeah, there's only, there's only two Americans in the top 20. Uh, the, the rest, almost everyone is from Asia. Otherwise, we were talking about something that I think is a really good because people always think that video games are frivolous. But what, what you were saying, I think that's really important, is it, it's so difficult that it requires you to only think about that, and it can, like, relieve stress. It can take out the rest of the world because it's so hard. Yeah, you can only think about that. Yeah. I mean, if, finally, if I play a video game on extreme difficulty, then, um, I have to concentrate fully on the game. Um, and it's, it's has a calming effect. Yeah. Uh, it sort of chills down, um, and, uh, I mean, you mentioned, I think many people, like, if you play martial arts or you play pool, like something that that forces you, it's like, I think any, anything that forces you to concentrate fully, um, actually has a, has a calming effect. I find it just sort of like, um, kind of a mental, a restoring effect mentally. It's like, it's good. Jiu-jitsu is like that. Archery is like that as well. Like when you're shooting a bow, you have to, there's so many moving things and you're trying, you have to think only of it, and it cleans the mind. It cleans the mind. Yeah, exactly. I was watch, I was reading this study about surgeons where they found that surgeons who regularly play video games make fewer errors. Well, it's, I mean, video games require manual dexterity. So, uh, it makes sense. Completely makes sense. Actually, if somebody was like epic at video games, uh, I'd say like their surgical skill is going to be very good because in order to be good at video games, any kind of fast-reaction video games. Look at this, 32% fewer errors, 24% faster, and scored 26% better overall than their non-player colleagues. Oh, I believe that for sure. That's incredible. You should be required in medical school to play video games. I, if somebody's like top, a top-ranked video game player and they say they're a surgeon, I'd be like, plus one, plus two, type of thing. Oh, top-ranked for sure. But this isn't even top-ranked. This is just people who play well. Your, your manual dexterity has to be extremely high. So you're, you're looking at things on the screen, you've got, you're reacting, and you, some, you got like 10 milliseconds to react. Yes. Um, and, um, and, and so if somebody's got, uh, incredible reaction times, manual dexterity, they're obviously going to be a good surgeon. Imagine if there was a course that you could take. That course would promote you would be 26% better. Yeah, everyone would have to take that course. Sure. Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say, hey Bob, did you take this course? You didn't take this course? Don't you understand this course makes you 26% better? Sure. You would have to take it. Everyone should have to play video games if you want to be a surgeon. Well, I think it'd be, certainly would be a very good test to see if somebody can't play video games well. Like that means, I mean, because you got to move both hands simultaneously, you got to react to something very fast, then, um, on the screen. So, and, and if, if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong, uh, then you lose the game. So if somebody's like has a good rank in video games, I would say that they're manual de, necessarily their manual dexterity must be very extremely good. Well, it's so hard. Motor skills have to be excellent. If you think about like Starcraft or any, any game, like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being. There's to be something exceptional about you. Yeah. Actually, Quake, way, way back in the day, I was one of the world's best Quake players. I know we talked about this. Yeah. Um, I loved Quake. Yeah, yeah. My final semester in college, I probably put more time into Quake than all my college classes. When I was on news radio, all of the writers were super nerds. They were very, very fun guys, and they had a LAN setup at the studio where they all played Quake. I had never played video games, and I would go in with the writers, just kind of hang out with them. We'd get silly, and then we would all start playing video games and playing Quake against each other. And I got addicted, like hardcore. I got a T1 line installed in my house. I went hardcore. Yeah, exactly. You're checking how many milliseconds of latency you. Oh, yeah. I was, I was fully addicted. I was making my own computers. I was going to Fry's Hardware and buying motherboards and putting everything together. And, you know, it was too much of a time suck, though. I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved like I can't. Put golf. No, it's too. Golf is too slow for. I mean, I know a lot of people find golf good, and I mean, I guess if you think of it like it's, I guess if you're saying you're going to walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, then, and, and you're just as an outdoor walk, then that's cool. Um, and does require concentration, we hitting the ball, but it, it's, it's, it's too slow for me. Nothing compares to video games in terms of like the amount of feedback you get. Like the, the, the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large, high-resolution screen, you have a fast computer, you have headphones on that you're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you, and rockets are flying by you, and it's, there's nothing like that. Yeah, but I think golf still is like, Jamie will tell you, Jamie's an addict, he's a golf nut. It's super addictive, and it takes like eight hours a day. It's, yes. Uh, once you get into golf, I think, I guess any sport, it gets super addictive. Um, so, but, but for me, the, the int, the intensity of video games is, uh, hard to beat. Yes. It's, and the people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time, but we're showing like real-world benefits. So people playing video games, yeah, if you want to be a drone operator, it's the only game in town. Yeah, really good at video games. Yeah. Um, for sure. So, um, in fact, I can actually tell, uh, like what my, my mental acuity is, uh, if I just play, if I play a very hard video game. So if I'm trying to sort of get like an, an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that, um, or, or any, you know, a post-apocalyptic shooter, whatever the case may be, like if I, I can tell that I'm tired, uh, or my brain's not working as well as it should. It's, it's like a, it's like a mental calibration. You can tell immediately like what is, what, what, how good is your mental state. Right, right. Um, and, you know, so it's like, like if, if you're trying to play really well, like I, if you play late at night and you're tired, you would just play badly, right? And you can say, okay, you, you may think that your brain is working well, but it isn't because you can, you play the video game and you're like, you suck. So, okay. Yeah, you're putting it under stress. Yeah, you're really stress testing it. You stress test it, and, uh, cuz like sometimes, like, oh, I think, I think I'm fine, but then you play the game, like, okay, I'm not, I might, I'm like 10% below what I should be. That's how I feel about workouts for sure. Like that's how I knew I had COVID or I knew everyone in my family had COVID and I trying to not get COVID. And so I was working out. I was like, something's up. Like I felt fine normally, but then during exercise, I was like, okay, I can tell there's something wrong here. So let's back off, relax. Yeah, yeah. It's like people who don't stress test their mind, they think they're operating on the same level all the time. Like sometimes I come in here and I can't form a sentence and I don't know what it is. It's like, what is going on? So it's just like, like sleep's not, maybe like what sleep wasn't that good or something like that. Yeah, something like that. Or I'm too busy and it's just, it's not the words aren't coming out. Like I know how to talk, I talk professionally, and I can't talk. It's like, I mean, sleep's is, is massive. I mean, like huge. Yeah. So, uh, if I can tell me, like, did I get a good night's sleep or not? If, if I just play, like, uh, video game for like five minutes, I'm like, okay, my sleep wasn't that good. Um, because my, my, you know, and then sometimes, your brain will recover through the day, and it's like, okay, like an hour or two after waking up, it's better. Uh, cuz your brain does kind of recover from bad night's sleep a little bit during. You know what it really helps? Creatine. Apparently does it. Yeah, creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not. There's a lot of like benefits of creatine that are really weird. Are there any downsides? No, no. It's natural part of food. Yeah, yeah. Especially women, for for women, apparently, especially postmenopausal women, it's very beneficial. Okay. And, uh, it, there's, but there's a lot of like cognitive benefits, and one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep-deprived. Mental performance when sleep-deprived increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine. Is creatine naturally occurring in like steak or? Yeah, it's like naturally occurring in meat. I think, I think that's where it's coming from. I think it's a primarily an animal-based thing. Yeah, but like, I, I did switch to like steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's like a power-up. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates. Yeah, yeah, totally. And you like carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise and the crash, the rise and the crash. You stay flat if you eat like a, a primarily high, high protein, high fat diet. Yeah, your body runs off ketosis, essentially. I mean, so I just have like steak and eggs, no, no bread or or anything, and it's great. Actually, it's a power-up. I'd say people dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propaganda that's put this thing out there that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming. This is rubbish. Not true. It's not true. Not only is it not true, but the real problem is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral. If it doesn't sequester carbon, the, the animals are not going to make any difference to global warming. Like, none. Zero. Zero. Nothing. Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in like plant-based meat products and things along those lines? Green energy? I think it's part of it. Um, you know, that you're generally going to get people pushing to avoid meat. Like some people just, you know, um, yeah, maybe they got a financial interest, maybe they just, just like vegetarians or vegans or whatever, um, ideological, ideological reasons. Um, but, uh, it's not going to make any difference, uh, to global warming or, you know, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, really. Um, if, if people eat fewer, uh, steaks, it doesn't matter. It's relevant. Irrelevant. I want to be super clear about that. Yeah. Will not matter. You will not even be able to measure it. Okay? That's how irrelevant it is. Isn't it funny that that's unmeasurable? Heretic speaking. Like that's crazy talk nowadays. It's like, you have to say that we have to eat less meat. That meat is bad. Totally. Eat as much as you want. It's not going to make a difference. Sing it. Sing it to the world. Yeah, absolutely. Um, and if somebody says it does make a difference, I'm like, how will you measure it? And if you can't even measure it, then it's, yeah, yeah. Literally, I won't be able to measure it. Well, there's so much out today. First of all, all directions. Thank you so much for buying Twitter. Thank you so much. I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do. I really think you made a fork in the road. We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control. The what they were doing with social media by suppressing information, and when you had a combined government effort like with the, what they were doing with the laptop story, you have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation, take it off offline, and Twitter complied. Yeah, if, if you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea. Exactly. Uh, no, it's, I mean, the, the reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned. Um, since I, I was like the most interacted with user on Twitter before the acquisition. So before the acquisition, I had more interactions that than like, there's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower counts, uh, but I had the most number of interactions of of any account in the system. So I was very attuned to like, if if they saw change, if they changed the system, I can tell immediately, like, and I'm like, I'm like, something weird is going on here, you know? Like, so there's like, I, I just got increasingly uneasy. Um, and obviously when, when they deplatformed a sitting president, you know, not deep, deep platformed Trump, that was, that was just insane. Um, you know, um, and, and, and the things he was posting, like he was posting things that, like he was posting good things, he was saying like, hey, we don't, do not riot, don't, don't do any destruction of property, you know, please stay calm. Like that's the kind of stuff he was posting. Yeah, and you're like, uh, what's wrong with that? That's, and, and then, then, then some people say like, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle, he means the opposite. I'm like, okay, so we'll give you Trump's account now. You, you post what you think he should post because he can post nothing. He can ask people to calm down. Like, what? It was insane. Like, it didn't make any sense. Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent. That's crazy. Crazy. That's crazy. Don't you think they'll listen to him? Yeah. Isn't that the whole point? They listened to him and created violence in the first place. That's what you think. That's what you're, you're accusing him of, right? And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal. We know that for a fact. This is not, that was always the big Alex Jones type 10 hat conspiracy theory. Cuz Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests, I believe, in Seattle in the '90s, and they sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a sudden, a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful. They move in the cops, they shut everything down. They had it set up where it was a no-protest zone where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it. They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work. So you couldn't protest, you couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights, you couldn't even like have a peaceful protest sticker on your car. You couldn't have that. It's crazy. It is crazy. So no, I think we're, we're very much at a fork in the road in, uh, destiny. Um, and, um, you know, so I, I, I mean, the reason I, yeah, did the Twitter acquisition was like, it's like, man, if I don't do this, I think we're screwed. Is the issue. Well, you didn't do it. No one else was going to do it because it wasn't a financial winner. It was kind of a crazy move. It's a crazy move. I mean, the, the thing was way overpriced. Um, and, um, you know, like long-term, I think, uh, we can, we can ultimately make it a win for investors, but boy, this is, this is a, this is a hard way to make a living. Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it. There's a concerted effort with the advertisers. Well, we, we had a, and still have, um, a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left-wing NGOs. Like, uh, you know, and, and you always want, and I should have, I should have brought my, uh, I have a hat, make oil fiction again. I've seen that hat. Yeah. I, I should have, I was going to wear, I should have brought my make oil fiction hat too. Um, but, but, yeah, I mean, it's just totally, totally nuts. Um, so if you didn't do it, no one would have. And here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots. Elon's a bad businessman. Twitter is worth, you know, 400% less than when he bought it. No, it wasn't worth that in the first place. It wasn't worth that in the first place. It wasn't worth $44 billion, you morons. Like, wrong. And also, you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott. Exact. That's total. Yeah, exactly. So there are these organizations, like you can tell there's like, they're like, like when they have an alien name. So like the, the Center for Countering Digital Hate is a total scam organization. You know, cuz they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in O, um, you know, uh, they, like, they're censorship organization. Yeah. Um, and they organize, and, and they pushed, uh, the advertisers to boycott. Uh, so we still have like some of the boycott is, is starting to lift. Um, and I think if Trump wins, we'll, we'll see, you know, probably a lot, most, most of the boycott lift. Um, but if, if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger, and they'll, they'll freaking shut down. There's no way that that the sort of Kamala Poe regime would allow X to exist. You really think that they'll be able to shut it down, though? Is there a pathway to that? Uh, yes. What would they do? Um, well, I mean, they can just, they can sic the DOJ on you, you know, and say like, you know, they've had this whole thing about like hate speech, misinformation, whatever. Except they're the ones pushing the misinformation, but that doesn't stop them from filing massive, you know, lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, like the DOJ has, you know, been attacking SpaceX for example for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the US. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. There's an example, just an example of what DOJ can do. So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen, um, for what SpaceX, uh, is considered an, an advanced weapons technology. So it's, it's covered by International Traffic and Arms Regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the United States. So like, if North, North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology, they could use that to launch nukes at America. America, right? That would be bad. Yeah, that'd be really bad. That would be really bad. So, so we're, we're, uh, since we are in like the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, um, under US ITAR law, it is, uh, illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident because the presumption, um, is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're going to return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them. So that's, and so, so it's illegal for us to hire, um, anyone who's not a, either has not a per, they can, they can be have a green card or be a citizen, they just have to be a permanent resident of the United States. Um, then there's another law that says if you, if you discriminate against asylum seekers, that's also you're also breaking the law. So they, they just, so the DOJ, which the DOJ, DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year, launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers. And we're like, but we're like, but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident. So we're in this like, this is what I mean. It's like, or, well, the Orell situation is getting insane. Like you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. So you're damned. Can you imagine history looking back? F up, man. At when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like, this is like one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace. Like it is one of the more wildest accomplishments. When you watch that thing come and you see all the people cheering and it catches it perfectly, like, holy. Imagine how history is going to look back at the DOJ going after that company. Yeah, how insane it is. A big lawsuit with an army of lawyers. Like this was not like some minor thing. But it doesn't even make any sense logically. Like how can it even get brought to court if it's illegal? That's exactly. So that's what I mean. Like, like, basically, if the government wants to go after you, they'll just find a reason. It's like that famous quote, um, from Beria, you know, like, so like Stalin's, like chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police, and he's like, chief torturer, truly evil human being. This guy, Beria, his one of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Right? They just, they just, they, like, they decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards. That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was a target, they just figured out the crime afterwards. Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office. They're doing all the things that they accuse Trump of doing. Yeah, openly. Openly. Yeah. I mean, the, the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic party is pushing over and over again. They, and it's like, look, I understand like politicians are going to, you know, exaggerate, they're going to misspeak, and they'll tell occasional, you know, untruths. Whatever, that's that's how it is in politics. But when you have deliberate, inverted, repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like, wait a second, like, come on, man. This is too, this is too far. And you're supposed to be the good guys. You're supposed, and you claim to be the good guys. I'm like, exactly. You're supposed to be the progressives. Yes. The Dems are like, oh, we're the good guys, we're the honest people. No, no, hang on. You can't claim to be the good guys. You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly. Yeah, like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus. Yeah, like the "fine people" hoax. Obama just said that on stage. Just said that. I was like, what the flying, he doesn't give a, he doesn't give a. They're just, they're just flat goddamn lie. Flat out lie. Flat out lie. How about the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women from illegal immigrants? Thank you. You remember that? That he, what he was saying is the women, like it or not, I'm going to do it. Yeah, when he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose. Whether women like it or not, like that's not what he was saying. Absolutely. He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border. Yes, exactly. They'll take, like, like not even a full sentence, like a half a sentence from Trump, and then, and then they'll push it on on every ad, every, you know, every speaking event, every, and it gets repeated on the news. This is what's crazy. They'll talk about it on these news shows. Quote news shows. Yeah, exactly. I mean, um, I mean, a recent one that that came up, um, which had a lot of people, cuz you, a lot of people reached out to me was like, they're like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney. I'm like, that is utter. It's not what he said at all. It's not what he said at all. He, all he said was like, was like, what he was saying is that look, if, if Liz Cheney, uh, um, actually had to fight at the front lines, should think twice about going to war. Exactly. That, like, it's easy to go, it's easy to go to war, it's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to, you know, risk dying at the front lines. Like, if other, like, basically, it's up, if, if people are having like fancy dinners in Washington DC, um, while people are being slaughtered in trenches, you know, it's like, you're not feeling the pain. Exactly. You're not taking the risk. It's someone else dying. That's like, that's that's cruel and lacking in empathy. Um, and, and all Trump was saying was that it's like, Liz Cheney would be much, Liz Cheney would be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge warmonger, just like her dad, um, if, uh, she actually had had to go to the front lines and fight herself. And meanwhile, they're saying that he should, he's saying she should be shot. Yes, which is a total lie. But I had like tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Cheney in a firing squad. I'm like, that is an outrageous lie. And the legacy media ran with that lie, big time. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter, or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff. I, I think it would be very difficult for you. I think YouTube throttled, they did something weird. They won't say what they did, but they did something weird with the Trump interview that I did. Yeah, where you couldn't find it. It doesn't make sense. Like, like made no sense. I mean, it's like the, it was like the biggest interview on Earth. Yeah, and you can't find it. Yeah. Not only that, it wasn't trending. It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending. You're like, like, this just, no excuse for that, man. No excuse. There's no excuse. It was getting a million views, 1.4, what was it? 1.5 an hour? One point, in time, 1.5 an hour. Yeah, and it wasn't trending. Yeah. Like, and, and it's like, it's, it's like your channel is a known channel. It's not, it's not like it was started yesterday. It's like, yeah, it's like, this is a high trust. Yours is a high trust channel. It's like, like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins or something, you know? Um, so, well, thank God we put it on X as well, because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70 million views. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's like, you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now. They would have, they banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians, they banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines. They would have done that everywhere. And it, it probably would have paid. I think even at, what's going on at Facebook, they're, they're being more lenient. You know, you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance. That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark. Exactly. So, um, as soon as, as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful, to, to not censor, because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious. Yes. Um, yes. And, you know, the, the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if somebody, if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material. You know, if, if you think, if somebody thinks, uh, you know, oh, you know, Trump said that that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let, let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video. That's the best way. It's, don't, don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it. Go to the source material. And Community Notes. Yes. And Community. A community note is the best. It's awesome. It's incredible because everybody gets checked. Yes, including me. Yeah. Um, and with community notes, the, all the software is open source, and all the data is open source, so you can recreate any given note independently. That's amazing. Yeah, that's how it's total absolute transparency in every way. Um, you know, sometimes I get, I get asked like, oh, Elon, can you remove a note? You know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right. I'm like, I'm like, I don't even remove notes on my own account. Nothing. And, and, and by the way, everything is totally open, so if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately. Like, it's not going to be subtle. Is the best counter to misinformation. Yes, absolutely. Like, let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say. Yes, exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information. Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true. Yes. And, and just, and like I said, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it. Look at the source material. You know, so it's like, look at what someone actually said, look at what someone actually did, look at the real videos of the situation, and then you can actually, you'll know what's real. So as of today, when you were literally on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail in Pennsylvania. Tell me what the is happening. Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. So we, we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So, uh, you know, I've been, I've given a whole bunch of talks in throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election, you know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So, so I've been giving to, I spent three years in Pennsylvania. I went to college in in Philadelphia. So, so it's not like I'm not a total, I'm not a total stranger to the state, you know, I spent three years there. Um, and, and we, you know, we, we, we, we've organized this, uh, petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good thing. Um, and, and specifically asking people to, uh, and, and, and we wanted this to be like, um, registered voters in swing states. Like, basically, we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution. They've been especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that that the, that the First Amendment is an obstacle because, and they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is is enabling disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment, like freedom of speech. The reason they, the founders of the country put, you know, the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists. And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is there to protect freedom of speech. Um, you know, um, you know, and I've had these debates, especially with people in LA, because they're, they're like, want to take everyone's guns away. And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me that the government, that we will never have a tyrannical government in the in the United States? Can you, can you make that guarantee? They're like, well, nobody can make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need to keep our guns because that's the, that's what's going to stop it. That sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that, but that's the reality of the world that we live in is that tyranny is possible and it exists other places, and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in the UK. You're, you're seeing, I, I think the, the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas. It's in the thousands. Yes, several thousand people have been given prison sentences, sentences in the UK for social media posts that where there was no explicit link to actual violence, but they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post? Well, no, but they, they just, and, and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK. So they quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts. That's an actual thing happening in Britain. That is so wild. Like, you're like, so wild. The, you know, is going on. And what's insane to me, fiction again. Yeah, you know, but it's all being encouraged by the left. Kangi Brown Jackson, John Kerry. John Kerry was one of the people who said that he's on camera, re, like a few weeks ago, saying that the First Amendment is a pro, is an obstacle to fighting misinformation. Yeah, that's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. You have a solution in something like that that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two. And, and even without a community note, you can reply to a post and with with evidence that that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes. I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note. Yes, but in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence. The argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things, that they're going to be a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something, it's incorrect, they're going to run with it. People are going to die, people are going to, we're going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation. It's a stupid argument. It's a stupid argument because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. You, if you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that? Exactly. And obviously, anyone on the X system, uh, knows that things are posted, and then there are replies, and there are rebuttals, and it's immediately corrected. But where are the corrections for the legacy media? Right. You know, when, if, um, you know, some broadcast media, they, they, they, they said St, say false things all the time, but it's a one-way street. There's no rebuttal, there's no counter. Right. You know, there, who's apologized for being incorrect about what? Did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID? It won't, the virus stops with you. Never. No one ever. It's just, it was not true at the time. There was no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda. And she said it. The Russia gate hoax. The for three years, they said that he was Putin's toy and that Putin had him compromised. The Steele dossier. Steele dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer, Poinzkowski, um, who was paid by the Clinton campaign. Literally crazy. And still people think the Russia hoax is real, and there's no repercussions. No one had to apologize. Hillary could never came out and apologize for that, and people still listen to her. The whole thing is crazy. And it's all coming from the left, which, growing up as a, a person who was in the left my whole life, it doesn't make any sense. Same, same. I mean, I, I, I, I even, I, I was on the left until like three years ago. Like, I, I mean, you know, it's not the left anymore. It's not the left anymore. It's just like, I think we obviously want, I mean, I, I believe like we want freedom. Like, like we want, we want to maximize personal liberty. Uh, I think we want, we want to be kind to people, you know, we want to have empathy. Um, and, um, but, but it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit-based society. On the left is is wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech. Um, and they want to, they want to have a non-merit-based society, you know, with race-based and sex-based preferences. And it's like, well, wait a second, no, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work. And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people. And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do, and they want to silence opposition. That's all it is. And the fact that people can't see that, they want to call Trump a fascist. The whole thing is through the looking glass. It's just, I mean, it's like one hoax after another that that they're perpetrating against Trump. I mean, like they try to call the, the rally at Madison Square Garden like a Nazi rally. I'm like, yo, there was like literally an Israeli flag in the audience. Um, I think like a quarter of the speakers were Jewish. Like there was like, there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that at that rally. Like, tell me what about that is Nazi? No. And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally. MSNBC, they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from the 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally. Now, ignoring the fact that Jimmy Carter spoke there. There have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Gardens, dozens on the Democrat side. Like people, and people on X, like, and here's exactly, here's Jimmy Carter, and here's Bill Clinton, and here's, wait a second, actually, it looks like, uh, every presidential candidate has done a rally at Madison Square Gardens. Are they Nazis too? But what they're doing is they're praying on low-information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media, who don't have the time to look through everything. Exactly. Yeah, like people are living, if people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X, uh, and, and seeing the actual flow of argument. Yes. And the actual evidence. Well, what was the pushback like? What happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Cuz I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse. Because when when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual. Did they do the same thing to Facebook? They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's shows. They, they suppressed the views by 50%? Yeah, of factual information. Yeah. No, there was, there was massive government interference in Twitter. Um, but, but like Twitter welcomed it. That's important. Old Twitter welcomed it. Uh, I mean, old Twitter was controlled by, by far-left activists. Yeah. So, uh, and, uh, they, they welcomed the government interference. The government, they got paid by the government for it. That's crazy. They got paid for their time. Correct. Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for for suppressing information. So it's like, Bill, and a bunch of it was like flat-out illegal. Like the FBI had this like this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system. Um, and, and, but all of the communication in that sort, in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws. So we don't even know what was said because it was all deleted after two weeks. That's insane. Yeah, that's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that was okay. It's not super, not okay. No, it's super not okay. It's unconstitutional. And no one would want that. No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly. And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released? Like you had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you when you release that. Like what was, what happened? Well, we got a lot of, we, we did lose a lot of advertising dollars. Um, and, um, which is crazy because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption. Yes. I mean, this is the weird, weird thing. It's like the left used to be, uh, big, big on exposing government corruption. But now, but once they control the government, they no longer want to expose the government corruption, right? They want to pretend that the left-wing government's incapable of corruption because we're on the good side. I, I think it maybe just like, you know, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the, you know, the other side hurt. Um, because as you pointed out, like the left historically, up until I don't know, maybe even 10 years ago or something like that, um, was the free speech party, and now it's the anti-free speech party. And they just, they use, they use words like, like, oh, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation. But these are propaganda words. You know, it's like, uh, well, who's defining hate speech? Who's defining misinformation? The government. Do you really trust the government to make that definition? Um, the whole point of the, of the First Amendment is like, you do not trust the government. Well, especially when they're wrong, and then there's no repercussions. Yeah, like with the whole lab leak theory, if you get, you would get kicked off of YouTube if you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe that coronavirus lab where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released, yep, hey, maybe that's where it came from. Since that's where the virus started, what do you think, guys? Yeah, they kick you right off of YouTube. Yeah. Um, yes, exactly. It's like, do you think maybe the, it could have come from the place called the Novel Coronavirus Research Institute? That John Stewart bit that he did on C-SPAN was amazing. What does it say on the door again? Uh, can I see your business card? And to see C-SPAN, like resisting it with every fiber of his. What's going to happen to us? He was totally blocking the bit to the point where John Stewart got off his chair and started walking around to try to take control. Yeah, good on John. And then the left tried to cancel John Stewart, of course. Meanwhile, he was right. He was right. And no apologies. No apologies. Yeah. And, you know, the whole Fauci thing, like any criticism of Fauci, it's like an freaking demon, if you ask me. If you read RFK's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there, that's true. It's all referenced. You could find the sources. And on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense if he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued. Yes. So the guy's a monster. I think so. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think like just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain-of-function research to Rand Paul, but he, I think a lot, maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci.

funded the the the the bioweapons research that was going on in in Wuhan. And he, he bank-shotted off, like, he can't send the money directly to China. He just bank-shotted off EcoHealth, right? This just like fake nonprofit in the US. And they sent it to Wuhan. And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014. Yes. I mean, so, you know, um, to to give Obama, throw Obama, give Obama some credit, he actually was like looking at this and saying, "Hey, this is crazy." And, uh, we need, and he, so he, he actually did, uh, stop the, like, like the so-called gain of function. Again, a propaganda word. Uh, because what is the function they're talking about? Death, right? Right. So if, if, if you actually use the right word, this is gain of function is death maximization, right? Then you're like, "Oh, oh, hey guys, should refund, uh, uh, bioweapon research into death maximization?" Cuz that's what gain of function means. Yeah, it means the function, making a disease so that people can get it, give it to people. And by the way, what's that function again? Oh, the function is death. Okay. So just call it a death-maximizing virus if you're doing research on that. And the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things. How come you don't have a cure? Start with a, start with a cure, cure first, disease second. It doesn't make any sense. Like, you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out. And so you have to, like, make up this, this new vaccine in, like, record time, Operation Warp Speed, released to the people with very little testing. It's crazy. It was crazy. The whole thing's crazy. And everybody just went along with it. Looney Tunes. Next level. Well, it's the scope was fascinating to watch people step in line. That's like one of the biggest scams of all time. Of all time. Of all time. And everybody got in line. And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 1990s, that changed one of two countries. The whole, that allows this. And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam. And they went hard, claiming all sorts of things that were never researched, all sorts of things that are not supported by data. Like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children. All of its, yes. And they pushed it on the whole world. And if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were a pariah. Yes. And you were an anti-vaxer. It was totally psycho. It was like being a Holocaust in our. You get kicked out of polite society. Exactly. Bananas. And I should say, like, I'm actually generally pro-vaccine overall, you know, I think we should look at these things. That, but, but I believe in the scientific method. So, so you have a blanket, accept anything. You have a blanket, accept that any, any given medication or any given treatment is, is, is 100% good. You should always be, it with some skepticism, especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have like a long history of criminal, got a vested interest, conduct. Yes. They've got a vested interest in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about, you know, whether smoking is dangerous. You know, exactly the same thing. Like, God, according to our scientists, everything's fine. Yeah. They lied in court forever. The same thing they do with OxyContin. When they said that it wasn't addictive. Like, they have a long history of being full of it. If it makes them money, and that's what they do. That's their business. They've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits. In this massive, massive. They're in the. You have amazing scientists, right? You have these clinical researchers, these people that developed these incredible drugs. And they, this is their job. Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop things. And then you have the money people. Sure. And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people. And then they have this other faction that they're all just numbers people. And all they give a about is maximizing profits. And making sure they literally have an obligation to their shareholders. They have to make the most amount of money possible. And so they just want to push it on everybody, regard. Like the Vioxx scandal. There's internal emails showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular events. People were going to get strokes. And they're like, "I think we're still going to do well." And they did. They made like 12 billion dollars. They got fined seven. And 50 to 60,000 people died. Holy. Yeah. One of them was a friend of mine. Got a stroke and died. Yeah. No, he didn't die. He lived. But he was a really healthy guy. And then the same after. Yeah. Knee problems. And he took Vioxx. And all of a sudden he was slurring his words. And he couldn't concentrate. And people like, "I think you're having a stroke." And they took him to the hospital. And then, then you have this giant class action lawsuit. Then Vioxx gets pulled from the market. And they get sued. And the whole thing's crazy. But there's a long history of this. I think what did, what is the number? Like, one-third of the drugs that the FDA approves gets pulled? It's bananas. That is crazy. That's crazy. You're shitty at one-third of the things that you say are okay. But yet you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans. Yeah. They should let MDMA through, honestly. That, I think that actually helps a lot of people. It would help a lot of people. Help a lot of people. There's a lot of different therapies, specifically psilocybin, Ayahuasca. The fact you have to go to Mexico to get Ibogaine therapy for veterans. So many guys I've talked to have gone over there. And it's like, completely giving them a, a clean slate, refresh their mind, and totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions. Illegal. Yeah. Illegal. OxyContin. Go get it. Yeah. Um, and I know some people who like, their, their life was ruined by OxyContin, you know. Oh, yeah. Because, uh, I mean, it, it really depends on, on, you know, somebody's individual biochemistry. Um, like, to me, like, like, um, opioids are not addictive to me. Like, I, you know, I've had them when I've had operations or something. And, uh, they, they, they barely affect my pain level. And they make me like itchy and uncomfortable. They make me stupid. Exactly. But, but I'm like, so, so like, like I could never get addicted to alcohol or or opioids. It's just impossible. Like, because my biochemistry just does not have, like. But I love tasty food. Feel like, you know, you know, if, if there's, I'm addicted to tasty food. Sure. Um, but, like, there can be, like, I have a whole shelf of alcohol. It's there for decoration. I never done shit. Basically, I feel the same way. I could easily quit alcohol. I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink and it doesn't bother me at all. But I know some people, they have one drink and they're off to the races. And that's the difference in the, the biochemical differences that we all have. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions. I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it. I see it. I've seen it in people. But I'm, I'm, I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life. Like, I, I see it. That's why I've never tried cocaine. I just saw too many people. It looks too fun. Like, I don't want to get involved. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I think generally for any given, uh, drug, legal or illegal, you could, the question is, can you complete the following sentence? Blank made me a better person. Like, I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person. No. Ever. Um, made a lot of soldiers better. I think that's, yeah. I mean, if you're doing, if you're like, if your soldiers need to for three days in a row, yeah, it, it's really is effective at that. You know, um, yeah, people give, like, France a hard time about, you know, capitulating in World War II. But, but, you know, what's, what's worse than the Nazis? Nazis on meth. Me up. Nazis. They're not stopping. Norman. Six bullets. They're like, they're, they're still coming. That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers. The guys on the front line, they gave the most meth. Yes. They have different dosages. Yeah. I mean, you just basically think you're invulnerable on meth. And, uh, so, so it's one thing, like I said, it's one thing being, you know, have, have like the Nazis coming after you. But Nazis on meth? You're like, "Holy, those are not stopping, man." For three days, they're not stopping. It's so crazy. Yeah. That's not a statement. Meth may be a better person. That you hear very often. I've never heard that before. No. You hear a lot of, like, psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics. I, exactly. I've actually heard many people say that, uh, LSD or, you know, mushrooms or, uh, MDMA made them a better person. Many people. Yeah. So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, "Hey, look, um, if you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that, um, blank made you a better person, actually, yeah, then, then you got a good drug. And if you, you can't, you got a bad drug." Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, this, the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives, but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense, right? You're, you're, it's basically the same thing as censorship. You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true. And you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you. And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible. So to do research. And actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking at all this stuff that give you real data. Yes. And the opposite of that, or the counter of that, is like, if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels. Yes. That's the whole reason why they have all that money. It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America. The demand is never going away. So instead of like limiting the amount of drugs now, you've got toxic drugs because fentanyl and all this other has been because they're not pure. So you're just killing people. You're not saving anybody by protecting them from themselves. True. But it's a tricky situation because what do you do? Like, if you just like say, "Okay, now everyone can sell all these." People that have been selling boner pills now you can sell meth. Like, "Holy, you get, you get, you get, you get the double combo, the Viagra." It's the Viagra and meth. Right. Jesus Christ. Oh my god. Oh my god. Well, I mean, how many people already doing that right now? With there's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth, especially people that abuse Adderall. They're basically amphetamine up all day long. Yeah. Adderall is low-grade amphetamine. Yeah. Um, so, um, and like, I actually seen people like become much worse people if they take too much Adderall. Like, much worse. You know, it's, it's like an anger amplifier. So there, um, now, now I'm not saying like Adderall is something like where there's pluses and minuses. It's not a clear-cut issue. Um, it does help some people a great deal. Um, and, uh, but, but in in higher doses, man, that, that stuff. I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on on high doses. About Ritalin. Just, they're, they're just angry. Like extremely angry all the time. Yeah. They're messed up. Yeah. That's what happens if you take meth. It's crazy. You turn it like, meth turns you into a freaking rage demon. And so, and so many prescriptions. I'm like, "Jesus." We Googled it. Like, one year there was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, once in a while, there's like an Adderall shortage. And like, there's like widespread panic. You know? And then what do people do? And then it's the same thing as like when they tried to like limit the amount of OxyContin. Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed, is like, "Hey man, I can get you like, like low-grade meth." Like the stuff the Nazis took. Well, they had high-grade meth, actually. They had pharmaceutical grade. It was. They had epic, epic meth. It was like made by the. Like pharmaceutical grade meth is going to be if, like, this, I mean, I mean, you just look at the freaking, uh, online Wikipedia page. But there's like many different versions of meth. Like, not all the same. Um, and, and they have different effects. Um, so, but, but like, pharmaceutical grade, pure meth, you are going to be, oh my god, super productive. Super productive for a certain period of time. And, and you're not going to sleep for a while. And, uh, and, and then you, you will, you will have some anger management issues. So, like, uh, they actually, the, the Nazis, they did actually, um, uh, go roll back how much meth they were using because they had, they had quite a few incidents of, of the, of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth. Jesus Christ. They would, yeah. So they would shoot. That too many. Officer got fragged by the, by the, you know, their platoon that was on too much meth because they, that happened quite a few times. Like, you just, when someone's on a lot of meth, they're, they're, they're very, they can get very angry. Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was, uh, cooking meth in a lab in his backyard? I mean, McAfee is quite a character. He was a character. Character. We had him on the podcast when he was on the run. So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from, where was he? Costa Rica? Is that where he was? Belize, right? So when he was running from the authorities, he called in. We had him on the podcast on the run. And, uh, I was asking him about these posts. Like, 'cause there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like super sophisticated, making the best meth, like a super genius cooking meth. I mean, I think he like had like, he had his lab. Like he was making like a wide range of drugs. Uh, and there was like, I, I talked to, uh, actually, like, a reporter, um, who went down and like, uh, interviewed him in Belize. Um, and, and reported, man, that's one of the scariest things. He's like, he was, he was quite terrified. So, like, one of the things, like, McAfee, he had, I guess, this trick where he would, he would play Russian roulette with himself. So, so he'd put a bullet in in the revolver and spin the spin the chamber. And clearly, he had like some like trick to, you know, know it was not, there's some, you know, way that he knows it's not the right bullet. But, but I do wonder, like, if, if McAfee's high and he does that, he's not always going to get the trick right, you know? Do you? Sure he had a trick? Or maybe so. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so according to this reporter, um, when he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed at his head and went, "Click." And the reporter is like saying, "Please don't do this. This is insane." Click, click, click. And then pointed the gun at the ground and, and went, "Click, bang." And shot, shot a bullet in the ground. Jesus. That's a hell of a party trick. Jeez. It's the next level party. That's the guy who's seen The Deer Hunter too many times. Yes. Remember that scene? When they were forcing. Yes. Yeah. Woo. That's a heavy scene. That was a heavy scene. De Niro and Christopher Walken. That's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever. I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants. Like, McAfee was a wild boy. Wild. And you created brilliant antivirus software. Yeah. Yeah. He may have made some of the viruses too. You think so? Well, didn't he like give laptops to a bunch of government organizations with viruses on? Yeah. So that he could like pay ATT to what they were doing? Yeah. I, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked that guy. I don't know what happened to him. But I, he would be a guy that would be like, "This guy is a little bit too loose. I probably had sensitive information." I don't know, um, for sure. He did. U, I mean, I found him to be an interesting guy. I mean, like, I'm generally like, feel like, like if somebody's not harming someone else, they should be okay. Now, now there is some suggestion that McAfee like killed his neighbor in Belize. Yeah. So probably did. Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag. I think he probably did. Seems like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor killed his dog. Yes. Right. And then it seems like he killed the neighbor. Yeah. Allegedly. Yeah. I mean, it seems, it seems likely. It's not a zero possibility. It's not definitely not zero. It's seem more than not. He's a meth-ed up wild man playing Russian roulette. Hey, maybe you kill your neighbor. Yes. I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them too. Yeah. Somebody killed your squirrel. John Wick. Yeah. The squirrel thing is bananas. Yeah. That squirrel thing. Squirrel thing. I, so here's the thing about the, the, the whole squirrel thing is, is that, um, how can it be that we live in America, uh, supposedly land of the free, and the, you know, the government can barge into your home with guns, uh, so if you resist, you're going to get shot, um, and then take your, your pets and execute them. And if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you? I know that's not an exaggeration. Absolutely. It sounds like you're, you're, Oh, that's so crazy. How can you make that connection? But it's, that's why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby? If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful. It was really cute. Yes. Absolutely. The, there's, it was just obviously it was a beloved pet squirrel. Um, and raccoon too. Um, and doing no harm. Um, and the, the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets and kills them. And, you know, I, I think this should, this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly. Because, um, you know, you think you see like the John Wick movie where John Wick's like, you know, he, he wants to, he just wants peace. Like, you know, in the, uh, movie, he just wants, he's like, "Listen, I want to retire." And they offer him like tons of money like because they want him to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin. Like, they, like, they, like offer him tons of money, they threaten him. He's like, "Listen, I'm not going to be, I'm, I'm out." You know? And they kill his dog. That was a bad idea. That was a really. They killed a cute little puppy. And the puppy was his ex-wife's gift to him when she died of cancer. Yeah. Great movie. Great movie. The best revenge movie of all time because it's so ridiculous. He kills everybody. Yeah. Kills everyone. Um, and you're rooting for him. Yeah. They shouldn't have killed his dog. Yeah. They up. And they shouldn't have killed that squirrel. They shouldn't have killed that, that squirrel. I mean, like, how many, how many cases have we not heard about, you know? Look at that little guy. That squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy. He would hop all over him and climb on him. I mean, it was, that was his pet. That that squirrel thought of that man as his protector, as his companion. There was nothing wrong with that. And in Texas, it's totally legal. You could have a zebra out here. You can have whatever you want. And that's the argument for freedom. And, you know, the flip side is you get a bunch of people, tigers in their backyard, which is not great. It's like, this was a squirrel. It's not, it's not an anaconda or, right? Or, or, you know, you know, crocodile or something that's, or a chimpanzee. Did you see Chimp Crazy? Oh, man. Chimp, chimp, chimps will eat your face. Okay. They will. You up. They will. You. And they don't even. The thing is, they don't even kill you. They just. Chimps don't even kill people. Yeah. Which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart. Yes. They want to leave you. They could kill you easily. If a chimp wanted to just punch you in the head until you're dead, it wouldn't take long. But they don't kill you. They just rip you apart. Yeah. And you can have a chimp. And so, well, he used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states. And then Chimp Crazy kind of exposed a lot of that. And PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets because once they hit like five, you can't control them anymore. What's obvious? Totally understandable if somebody's got, um, you know, a creature that is dangerous to others. But like, obviously a squirrel and a raccoon are not. Well, squirrels are everywhere. That's what's so crazy. Like, why can't you have it in the house? What kind of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere. Yeah. Um, I mean, they're, they're, they're allowing criminals to go free. And, and like, violent criminals to go free. But they're like spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your pets. What the hell is going on? Exactly. And, and it's like, um, but it's overreach. It's, it's government overreach. And, and this just keeps getting worse every year. And that's why, that's why we've got to, we've got to fight back against this. Um, and, um, you know, it's, people say like, "Well, it's just a squirrel." Well, was it, you know, in John Wick's case, it was just a dog, right? Yeah. You know, but. Well, remember the Russian guy said, "It's a dog. It's just a dog." Just a squirrel. Yeah. Well, it's the funniest thing is when, so it just, I just don't understand how anybody could justify it. I don't understand how any, I, it seems to me that in a logical world, all that guy would have to do is say, "You want to, you see me with this squirrel? This squirrel's a pet. Yeah. Like, look, he hops on me, he eats, he sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but I can't keep a squirrel? I can have a guinea pig, I can't have a squirrel? I can have a chinchilla." My daughter has a chinchilla. It's adorable. Adorable little thing. Climbs all over. Can't have a squirrel. Even if they, if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they've released it into the woods or something? Well, it's a bit, the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage. It won't be able to like find a home. Squirrels are brutal. Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw each other out of trees, which is one of the reasons why squirrels like can fall from like 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live. It's like, it's a, a natural adaptation because squirrels during mating, they bite each other. They, there used to be like a rumor, there was a myth that squirrels bite each other's nuts off. And, okay, that seems to be a myth. But it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating. So like, one female is just running away. I have squirrels in my backyard. I watch it all the time. One female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her. So they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees, literally throwing each other off trees to try to like have. So if this poor little peanut, the squirrel, who's used to living with a guy in an apartment, like gets out there in the, the wild world. Well, fair enough. At least they have a chance. Yeah. At least he has a chance. But chance? How about just leave him with the guy? Yeah. Leave him with the guy. For sure. What the hell is wrong with you? Why are you killing that squirrel? It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And then to add insult to injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were like, "Actually, posting that they're glad that MAGA squirrel got killed." Which is MAGA squirrel? Like, the squirrel has an ideology? It's a cute little fluffy squirrel. Exactly. Well, it's, it's a nice symbol because most, most like reasonable, compassionate people think that's terrible. And most people who have pets think it's terrible, terrible. Um, so I don't know. I mean, I'm like, I hope people just go out there and vote for Peanut Man. If nothing else, if nothing else, just vote. I vote for Peanut. You know, they've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster. You know, they've taken the worst things that he's ever said and amped. And he's not a perfect person. But guess what? No one's a perfect person. They don't exist. This purity test. Like, if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage about that, you know, "very fine people" hoax. The, there's, exactly. No one's going to be a perfect person. But the thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him like, he can't be president. Like, remember Obama did that during that White House Correspondents' Dinner. There's one thing that I'm, that I am, that you'll never be president of the United States. You see Trump in the audience going, "Okay." You know, funny thing is, I was actually, um, at that White House Correspondents' Dinner where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president, right? Trump's there. He's there. He's actually supporting, you know, basically, if you go to the, the White House Correspondents' Dinner, you're there, um, in support actually of the president and support of the press, right? Um, and, uh, it's meant to be, you're roasting the president. Like, Trump's just there. He's like, actually, you know, just, he's like there as part of the support. And then they, they turned it around and just started roasting Trump. And he's just sitting there. I'm like, he's like, "Yo, I just came to the dinner. I wasn't, I'm just here to support." You know, we know what it was because of, right? The birther stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's what it all was. It was all Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged and he's actually from Kenya. What's weird is if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya. Like, I think in his college, something from college said he was from Kenya. But, you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya. But Trump was one of those guys that was like spreading that supposedly false rumor. Why is he pushing it hard? I'm not. This is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying, "What, what did he actually say?" No, he definitely was. He was definitely saying, you know, look, he, I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply. Yeah. And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Greene type people who come to him with some wild ass theory. True. He might be. And I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss. And I think, uh, there's also a lot of people that just make up. And, you know, they tell you the Earth is flat. And then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it. Yeah. Well, but on that White House Correspondents' Dinner, I was there. And the degree to which they attacked Trump in that, in that, uh, at that White House Correspondents' Dinner was really, it was, it was so over the top. It was like making everyone uncomfortable. Really. It was really over the top. You know, I mean, I think like, sort of a passing joke of like, you know, uh, a few passing jokes are fine. But, but they, they twisted the knife big on Trump. And, and you could see Trump just getting like angrier and angrier and and more and more upset. I wonder if, and it's like, man, this is, this is not good karma. You know, that's what I was thinking at the time. I'm like, look, I, I was two tables away from Trump. And I'm looking, I'm like, "Man, this is, this is too much." You know? Well, it's kind of crazy what what they made out of that because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying. Like, what it was a big mistake to rag on him so much with that White House Correspondents' Dinner. Well, just look at the way they've attacked him in terms with just using the legal system. Like this thing in, uh, New York where the 34 different felony counts, they were essentially misdemeanors that there were bookkeeping errors that they decided, even though it passed the statute of limitations, they to try him for these. They didn't identify a felony abuse of the law is what's going on. But most people would have quit. Most people after the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones, the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things, they getting kicked off of Twitter. Most people would have just like, "This is too much. I can't take this." But he's so crazy. He's like, "All right, come on. We're going to war." And he just digs his heels in and keeps going. Yeah. It's, it's the wrong guy to do that to. Just like attacking him at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Most people would have been humiliated. He got angry. He's like, "Yeah, all right. Say I'm gonna be president. I was thinking I've been thinking about running for about 15 years. Finally, I'm going to run." Yeah. Yeah. That was a real bad move. Um, but yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand like making some jokes about like, you know, a few sort of passing jokes on Trump. But man, I was there at that dinner and they ragged on Trump so much. It was insane. The reason why I would push back on that, 'cause I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right? And Trump would obviously be a target. And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're going to make fun of people in the audience, and especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big. And most people are dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory. So who the hell is this guy saying this? And so you have eight to 10 individual speakers that are writing monologues. Of course, they're all going to hit Trump. Yeah. Well, anyway, obviously it was a mistake. They shouldn't have done that. And, but like, you buy people to watch that original source material. And I think a few jokes are fine. You know, it's like, but, but it's like he shouldn't be the, like, it felt like he was the primary object of the roast. Yeah. Which is, that's, that's not the whole point of the thing. It's a roast of the president, not roast the audience. The thing about it is like, he's easy to roast. And then on top of that, Obama was like loved and cherished by the left. And most of those people are on the left. There's only so far you can push, you know, you can't ask him about a chef, you know, what happened with the chef, bro? You can't, like, certain things you can't bring up. You want to, what's your favorite sport? Paddleboarding. Yeah. Is that guy, wasn't that guy a really good swimmer? Tell me what happened. You know, exactly. You can't bring that up. Like, if you're going to roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count. Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email. Yeah. It's, if you're doing one of those, you know, she destroyed the servers and poured like bleach on the servers. Like, like computers. That's, she poured bleach on them. That's what I saw. Yeah. That's, I believe that's like, it wasn't just like they took a hammer to it. They like destroyed the, like, there was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing. What was in there? Like, that's what I mean. What was in there? What was in there? Why would they care so much? That's so crazy. Yeah. The whole thing is, there was no, there was no legal action against that, which is clear destruction of evidence. Well, it's also, there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy is that, uh, he's going to destroy democracy. So in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary. We have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time. And then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope. And then we're going to, this, she's going to be changed. Even though she's a sitting vice president. And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for what, 12 or 16 years, right? Which is crazy. Like, this is the change. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I view this election as a turning point, um, like a fork in the road of destiny that is, uh, incredibly important. Um, you know, I've not, I've not been politically active until this election. And the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't, if we don't elect Trump, I think we, I think we will lose. Uh, we will, we will lose democracy in this country. We will, we will lose the two-party system. Um, and let me explain why. So there, there's only like six, six or seven swing states. The, the margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10 or 20,000 votes. Um, what the, the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states. You can look at the numbers on the actual government, uh, website, meaning you don't take my word for it. You'll just look, look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats. Um, and, and what we've seen is triple-digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state. Some cases, 700% increases. These are, these are gigantic numbers. Um, so if you, if, if you have a state that was that, that went that has a 10 or 20,000 vote margin and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10x the, the, you, you swamp the. It's not a swing state anymore. It's going to vote blue. And then, and once the swing states vote blue, that, there is no election anymore. It's, there's only a Democrat primary. Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy that people are fine with that. Well, I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea. They just want to win. They just want to win. Correct. Like, the thing is, like, like, one does not need actually any grand conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look at the simple matter of incentives. If, if, if the Democrat Party wants to win, like, basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is, is turn the swing states, turn the swing states blue. They have permanent victory. And then we're one, then we're a one-party state. And then they, they will keep doing that. Obviously, they'll, they will keep stacking the deck, uh, by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states, keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening. If, and if you want to see like, "Well, is this actually going to happen?" Look at California. California is super majority Dem, 70% Dem. Um, a month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California. So you, so, so a friend of mine went to vote, uh, in, in, um, Palo Alto because he was like, "Is this for real?" He tried to show his ID and they reacted like, like, like if you show a cross to a vampire, okay? They're like, "No, we can't even look at that ID. It's, it is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it." And California, why? For any election at all, even like city council. What logical reason, other than to cheat, would you ever have that law? The reason is to cheat. That's, but the only, only like, you can never make an argument any other way. And I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote. So it's against the will of the people. Yes. And, and we are extremely aware. We're an outlier in not requiring ID. Basically, almost every country on Earth requires ID to vote. So, so the, as soon as you make, you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove because how do you trace the fraud? Right? Yeah. It's insane. It's insane. It's insane. And what I'm saying is that, how is it legal? Is that, is that what I'm saying is like, this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words. Um, everything they accuse Trump of, they are guilty of. Um, and, and if, if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America. Um, and we will, if, if, if the Kamala, if the big cement Kamala puppet machine wins, uh, they will legalize the illegals in the swing states. There will be no swing states. Every election going forward will be a, a guaranteed Democrat win. And it'll actually be worse than California. The reason it'll be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California. Like, you and I did. We, you and I used to be in California. Well, we moved to Texas. We're still in America. But if, if the Dems win this election, they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states. And everywhere will be like California. There will be no escape. That is so insane. This is the final. This is it. This is the last chance. Has anybody tried to push? Go out and vote. Vote like your life depends on it. Vote like your future depends on it. Because it does. This is the last chance, man. Is there, is there any argument against this? Is anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument? Uh, the, the left actually, interestingly, does not want to pick up much on this argument because it's, because the more attention you look, the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true. Because you just say like, "Well, are the numbers correct? Have, have, are there really this many illegals that have been imported into swing states?" Yes. They haven't just walked across the border. They've been flowing in. Flowing in on airplanes. Yeah. Using a shipping app. Yes. Yeah. They made an app. Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here like shipping with goods so they could track you while you're in America so you could legally be here. They know where you are. And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule illegal aliens to come across the border. Yes. Asylum seekers. Come on in. Yes. Oh, you have an app? People in. They're literally being flown in. Yeah. To the swing states. And the, so the reason that that I think the left doesn't want to, uh, push back on this is because the more attention they get, that this gets, the more people realize it is true. True. Yeah. It is true. That's why they don't. That's why they're, they're just pretending. That they're pretending. I'm not saying anything. But I'm like, I'm like, "Yo, you're lying." They're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats. And, and sometimes I get a battle of people say like, "Well, you know, these, um, uh, illegals, are they don't have the same social values as the Democrat Party because they're like more socially conservative." I'm like, "Yeah, but that's not the point." The, if you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, their, their primary thing is is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in. And then the Democrats give them all these benefits. Like, like tons of benefits, more benefits than if you, than citizens, literally. Yeah. Um, so, so, so you, they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits. They want to get their friends and family in, which the Democrats support and the Republicans stonewall. So they vote them. And you can look empirically at California and say like, "Did, did they vote Republican or Democrat in California?" Oh, they voted Democrat. Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s. And that changed the, the state basically, except for Arnold, changed the state entirely blue. Yes. And Arnold was an exception because he was like a socially liberal famous guy. Yeah. And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place. The, the whole thing is just, it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's no, this can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my conversation with Feldman about it? Yeah. He was completely in denial about it. I don't think there's that level of organization. Like, what are you talking about? Exactly. Just like, like, are, because you can, you can break it down. So, like, are, are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from Homeland, Homeland Security, government.gov. Okay? Right. So we got it from the .gov website. Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No, they have not. Those numbers, if anything, are are low. Um, so, okay, so they have, in fact, uh, flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states. Yeah. Uh, bypassing the border entirely. And, uh, so that is factually true. Then you say like, "Well, what is their probable voting pattern?" Oh, okay. Overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states. Um, and, oh, and then, well, but do the Democrats actually want to fast-track them for citizenship? Oh, um, yes, they do. Um, there, you can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying, at, at a rally this year, was saying he wants to fast-track. Le, and make, all 11 million or however many, I believe his quote was, uh, citizens as soon as possible. So the goal is to, they are fast-tracking citizenship as quickly as possible. So they can, they can, they, that whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote. And for people on the left, this is actually happening. I invite people to rebut this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so. No, they can't. They can't. Because it's true. Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left, like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters, for example, screwed with like talk about undermining democracy. Bernie should have won the nomination and they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary. Ex, exactly. Exactly. That's what I was going to bring up. Like, they, they, they control the primary process. Yeah. Exactly. So, so, so, like, if you've got to, then, if you have a Democratic primary, it's not, it's not Democratic. We just saw that. We saw it with Bernie. We saw it with Kamala. That like, like a week before Biden, you know, was summarily fired, he was posting that he's in it for the long term. He's.

He's going, yeah, yeah. He, he's, he's, he's not giving up. Next thing you know, Sunday afternoon, they're posting on X. Is, is that, that he's resigned from the race, which is, and, and his staff didn't even know. Like, they're reading it on the X platform. That, that, that, uh, okay, that's how they learned about it.

What do you think happened there? How did they do that? They, I mean, because clearly, just not, not in charge. Obviously, they could have used the 25th Amendment, fake president. But they would have, have to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised. Yes. And so they made this decision to not do that.

Well, the, the, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss, right? And yet, he's obviously not the boss, right? So who's running the country? If she's busy, busy campaigning, she's so busy, she, she can't do anything except sat life. She did that. She's so busy, she's constantly campaigning. How could you be paying attention to international relations? Yeah. How could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time? You, you can't. Yeah.

I mean, Biden being the president's supposed to be the CEO, CEO, the, the chief guy. He was commander-in-chief. Um, but it just obviously that, that Biden was not. He was just a puppet. And, and when the, when the, when the various puppet masters decided that, that the puppet has had, you know, was no longer, uh, useful, they just tossed out the, tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala. I mean, Kamala can't even talk. The, I mean, now you invited her on, on your show. I think the, the most damage that could possibly be done to a campaign is going in your show and seeing what, how, what she says. In hours two and three, two and three is when things get spicy. I'm like, oh my God. You can hide for 20 minutes. Melt. You can hide for 20 minutes. Exactly. Yeah.

I mean, you can just regurgitate talking points for, you know, half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she's just saying like non-sequiturs. But eventually, she just runs out of even the, runs out of non-sequiturs. Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour. Exactly. That's why. But I was thinking of doing it initially before Trump came. First of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I, I never announced that Trump was coming. What I was going to do is just release it in my, the way I like to do things. I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on. It'll get big no matter what. If Trump was on, it would have been huge. I'm like, just put it out there. People go crazy. But he apparently, or someone from his organ, someone, some loose lips, and then it got out. And so she contacted my management company. And she, they, her organization, her, her campaign camp contacted us and said, would Joe have Rana? I said, yes. And they said, she wants you to fly to where she is. And she's only willing to do 45 minutes. Only 40. I mean, that's, that's. And I was like, I don't. No.

So I thought about doing it. I'm like, maybe, maybe I can get a sense. Maybe I could convince her. Maybe I could coax her into doing more time. I just wanted to talk to her. I don't give a what we talk about. We talk about recipes. I don't give a. Exactly. Just talk to you. Just the things like you just can't. Like you can't just output non-sequiturs for three hours, right? Um, so, but for 45 minutes, you could do. Uh, I thought maybe for 45 minutes, I could get something out of it. But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this. This is the only. To be fair, it's got to be like three hours. And it should be in this room because this room has like a history of people. Yeah. It's got good vibes. Yeah.

Well, actually, I subscribe to the idea that places have memory. I think there's something real to that. That's why it does feel that way, actually. Yeah. I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, probably feels real weird. Feels weird walking around that house. Probably like, what the happened here? Yeah. I bet there's some memories in that house. You know, sounds rough, man.

Well, it's just amazing how many people in the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala. Yeah. Seriously. It's publicly, openly, like all in. Yes. It's like J.Lo, like was, was like his ex-girlfriend. And it's like, now deciding she's like warning people against Trump. I'm like, well, wait a second. So how many people did she warn against Diddy? Oh, zero. Okay. Well, uh, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion.

Did you see the Babylon Bee's take on it? Did you see the Babylon Bee? Oh my God, they're so on fire because the left can't say anything. The, the Onion has been crippled. Well, the, the problem is that like, find that, uh, that pose, the woke ideology makes like humor illegal. Yes. So when, like, there's so many, like, no humor, no-fly zones, right? You can't make fun of anything. Yeah. Uh, Babylon Bee had a thing about Kamala Harris, Diddy's ex-girlfriend urges Americans to trust her judgment. Yeah. By the way, you get to see how bad she is too. Was Terri, like, if she's going to be warning people, why did she never warn anyone about Diddy? Exactly. Yeah.

It's the whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein-type compromise deal where he had, whether he was doing it himself, conceivably people want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them. I, that's what I think. Whether or not he was, he had help, I don't know. Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people, I don't know. But clearly, he was doing it for his own jollies too. There was something sick about it. Yeah.

Um, I mean, but the thing is that people in the music entertainment industry had to know that that Diddy was like abusing, you know, kids, basically. Um, and yet they still fed them kids. Like, there, where's the account of? There had to be rumors. There had to be. They had to know. Yeah. They had to know. Cat Williams is talking about it on, exactly. On that podcast. But, but like, who's, it's like, who's feeding them the kids, you know? Right. Yeah. And what, what videos do, do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him and they're willing to keep, keep quiet about all this? Like, how much, how much, how many people were compromised? Yeah.

The whole thing is crazy, crazy. It's just crazy when you, you know, cu, the, the nutty conspiracy theories is like, oh, there's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood. And you're like, come on, that sounds too kooky. And then you read, you see like the Nickelodeon thing and all these, you're like, what the, how much of this is real? There's a lot more real than I think people realize. Um, I mean, part of it is like, like you say, like where, you know, if someone's like a pedophile, they're going to go for a target-rich environment, obviously. Like that Jimmy Savile guy from the UK, that guy was some next level. That was next level. And the, the BBC tried to hide that. What? That that guy was one of the worst, like, basically child rapists of all time. Of all time. Of all time. Yeah. And looked like one. Looked like one. Honestly, if you had a poster of like, does this guy look like a, look the creepiest guy, evil child rapist that 100% made it to the grave, like got away with it. Got away with it until he died. They hid it from people until he died. Yes. Yeah. There's that stuff's real. And no one wants to believe that stuff's real.

Like, here's a, here's a statistic that people need to take into consideration. When you think about illegal immigration, do you know how many kids are missing? How many, like, missing in, in kids that came across the border that are unaccounted for? I mean, I saw a number on like 300,000 or something like that. Something crazy like that. Let's say it's only 10% of that. That's still insane. Yeah. That's insane. There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked, potentially. I mean, when you know that, like sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world. It's real. Yeah. So if you know that, this whole thing is disgusting and terrifying. Yeah. Absolutely. And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left-wing ideology supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in. And the racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people. Exactly. And completely changing the dynamic of. And then, but, but as long as they don't come to your town, that's it. They just, they can just basically send people, you know, when they sent like, whatever, like 20 or 30 people to Martha's Vineyard, people had a heart attack. They kicked them out. Yeah. They kicked them out. Yeah. They kicked them out. Exactly. So I'm like, yeah, sure. Um, anyone who, who, who wants to have vast numbers of, uh, illegals, they have to be able prepared to have them in their neighborhood. Yeah.

Or, or it's so crazy. And the thing about all of this is, if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if the Vake and Trump don't exist, where the hell are we? Like, where are we? Where are we? And what gets done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts? Like, where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent. Anything you have to stick to the narrative, or you'll lose your livelihood, you'll be outcast from the community, you, you lose your, lose your freedom. It's crazy. Yeah.

Well, if the Kamala puppet regime wins, they're definitely going to want to cancel you. That's for sure. Oh, for sure. Yeah. 100%. It's going to be a problem. Yeah. Big problem. Yeah. What about you? You're going to come for you first. I'm, I'm, I think I'm probably number two on the list. Yeah. After Trump. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah.

Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence, uh, attacking it. So people go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that. Yeah. Wait a minute. Especially a guy like you, who's always been on the left, who was like having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla, was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team. Sure. You're environmentally conscious. You believe in green energy. You believe in renew. This, this amazing thing that has zero emissions and it's super fast. And everybody was in. They were all in.

Well, it is a great car objectively. Like, oh yeah. Yeah. You know, it's not buy it because it's electric. I mean, it's just a great car objectively. I think I'm on my third one. U, my third one is being built right now. By Unplugged Performance, they're doing a carbon fiber widebody kit on it. Dude, it's sick. Great. Changing the suspension, putting wide wheels and tires on it, custom interior. I'm pumped. That's great. I'm pumped. I love those. It's a super fun car. Jam has one too. Yeah. I love them. I love them. I, it's, it makes other cars feel stupid. Like its ability and the fact that you can merge on the highway, you don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent. It's not like, like when you merge on the highway, just, yeah, all of a sudden you're going 100 miles an hour. What? Yeah. That's cool. It's different than any other vehicle.

And because of your company now, you've seen electric cars throughout the whole range of, uh, American cars. Yeah. The only person who's resisted, the only company is Toyota. They've stayed essentially mostly hybrid. But all these other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars. Yeah. Yeah.

The, I mean, the thing is that the right architecture, environmental or not, for cars is actually electric. You, you just, it just, like the acceleration is better. Um, you can just charge it at home. I mean, like imagine if you had a gasoline-powered cell phone. It'd be a pain in the ass, right? You know, that would be go to the gas station, go to the gas station, charge your cell phone. That's a great.

Speaking of cell phones, gas stations are awful. Like, who wants to go to the gas station? How much thought have you, because there's always these rumors, and I've, I've contacted you about this before, but there's always these YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone that releasing a Tesla phone. No, we're not doing a phone. Have you ever thought about it? I, we could do a phone since like, we, you know, we like the operating system in the Tesla. It's like, it's Linux-based, but we've written a massive amount of software on top of that. So like, probably, probably Tesla is in a better position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world. But it's not something we, we want to do. Um, unless, unless we, we have to or something.

Well, would be the situation where you would have to? Well, I think if, if, you know, if, uh, Apple and Google Android, you know, started doing really bad things, like, I don't know, like censorship of apps, or I don't know, just treating people like, just being like gatekeepers, you know, that, uh, in a really bad way, then I guess would, would make a phone.

You know, the, I've tried so many times to break loose the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone this summer. I was like, that's it, I'm going to get. Because I love the Samsung phones, the Galaxy phone, the hardware is, they're incredible. There's so much good stuff to it. But it's so hard to get off of the, uh, iMessage. And the big one for me was FaceTime. Because the supposedly the thing was, you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone, and then you would click on that link and then you would just go to a web page, you'd be able to use FaceTime. Okay. It doesn't work. Okay. I tried to do it to myself. So I had an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone in the other, and I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi, full cell service, and I'm sending myself invitations for face. Can't communicate between. Can't do a video call. Basically, you have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or Signal. You have to use something else that allows you to do that. Or Instagram allows you to do it. There's like different ways you can make video calls outside of it. But it's inconvenient. Like with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple. AirDrop, so simple. So many different things where that walled garden that Apple's created is perfect. They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple. Yeah.

I tried. I gave it a go for like a couple of months. I'm like, I'm just going to go straight Android. We're going to, I'm going to use Signal for my messages. And then I hear that like Signal's might be compromised. Like, I've talked to like people that like, the government can read Signal messages. Oh, like how, how? If a tri-hard enough can read Signal messages, they can read anything. Yeah. If all they need to do is have your phone number. Yeah. Yeah. The illusion of privacy is essentially out the window. And that's, that should scare people more than it does. It really should. Because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff? And are they beyond reproach? Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral, and principled people that have ever existed? And they've been chosen to have access? No, no. It's regular people. Yeah. Regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision like, Elon Musk, let's look, see what that guy's texting his friends. Let's check it out. Yeah. Pretty much bizarre. Just so bizarre. And the alternative, so you can get some wacky phone, some de-Googled phone that none of the apps work. It's real sketchy. Your GPS is like, yeah. I mean, well, anyway, I think this making phone would be a huge pain in the ass. So, um, it can be done.

But how much talk have you guys had internally about doing it? Has it ever been discussed? No, no. I mean, we're, we're still R. Now, focus is making great electric cars, um, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves. Um, we're building, you know, humanoid robots. We, we've got, um, large battery packs, like utility-scale battery packs with the Megapack, um, home battery packs with Powerwall, get solar. You know, it's like, we're basically trying to solve sustainable energy and autonomy. Um, yeah. So, you, autonomy and robotics. Well, I think that's enough. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So the plate's full. That's what I'm saying.

It, it's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market. You know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product. But also like YouTube has dominated the video market. That one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options? It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off. But no one, nothing ever took hold other than X. Yeah. And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from from X straight out of Fox. And then people realized like, oh, you can watch full videos on X the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube. It's not as simple in terms of like, you know, you have the, and the algorithm. Yeah. It'll, it'll get better. And there is now, um, it is now possible to watch, uh, X videos on your, um, on your big TV.

Do you do it through what? How do you, how do you do it? Uh, you can actually just download the X app on your TV. Oh, and watch it on your TV. Can you do it on Apple TV? Like, if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you just watch it. Oh, okay. So we'll make it so that you can watch, um, X videos on, on a big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that.

So what are you doing in terms of like integrating Grok and and X and like what, what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that? Uh, yeah, so Grok is available on X. You can just, you look at like little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app and you just tap on that and ask Grok anything. And you can type it or you can ask it verbally. Um, and, uh, you, you can also, it's, it's pretty funny. Like, like we actually allow humor, uh, which is, I think pretty cool. So you, you could sort of, I don't know, we could like test it right now, see what, see how it's going. Um, like, um, like what should we do? Like, uh, uh, uh, like roast somebody? What do you wanted to like, how? First of all, like, what is it based on? It's a large language model. So like, where is it pull? It's trained. It's trained on everything, internet, books, anything that could possibly be that's available in digital form. So it's essentially very similar to ChatGPT, other than it doesn't have like the woke parameters built into it. Like Google was the worst, right? The Gemini was the worst. Yeah. I mean, Gemini was like, um, you know, people ask Gemini like, which one is worse, global nuclear war or M-ger, Caitlyn Jenner? And would say like, M-ger Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner. And then even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, no, that's insane. Definitely nuclear war is way worse.

Do you see Caitlyn Jenner, uh, teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning? Yeah, that's hilarious. Caitlyn Jenner's based. Yeah. But that, that is actually hilarious. When someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning. I mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Ray. I mean, like he's using the same glasses. Did he, did he go klepto and steal her glasses or something? Because they look exactly the same. It's worth a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid glasses? You can get some cool ass glasses. Yeah. Well, it's like, I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like. I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent. But why do they look exactly like Rachel Ray's glasses? Yeah. It's like, what? They probably sent him. Doesn't stick to the narrative. Here's the glasses. Yeah. And then when he's got the AirPods in, looks like he's wearing earrings. So he's got the Ray-Ban glasses and the earrings. And it's like, okay, I guess, you know, it's just a weird look. I'm super serious with these big ass stupid glasses. Look. Yeah. It's a weird look. Yes. Like you can get some cool glasses, like no rims, nice look, stylish. But like, okay, let's just do, let's do a Grok thing because I think you like. So one of the things you want to show is like, like, look, we, we want a future where where comedy is legal. Obviously, as a comedian, I think you would agree. We want to legalize comedy. You know? Yes. So like, I don't know, let's like, is there like someone you could roast? I don't know. Roast, uh, roast transgender men. Oh my God. Competing or transgender women competing in women's swimming. That's a simple one. Okay. That's edgy. One. Let's see what happens. Let's see what it says. You spelled it wrong. You put A-I-O-N-O in there. Should get it. Okay. Agel judicious swimming where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion. If you're looking to dive into the deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around at some humor. No. Now we need, we, we do need to, to release Grok unhinged mode. So, so now, now go to the prompt again and now say, um, no, no, you want to add to that one. Yeah. And, and I'll say, be, be way more vulgar. Capitalize more. Yeah. Yeah. All right, here we go. So transgender chicks, women swimming, right? Some people acting like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time. News flash, folks, it's not the end of the world. It's just a bit of extra competition. Oh, that's weird. Weird. The uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming, this is unfair when they can't win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we need some work here. Yeah. It's going woke. Yeah. It's a little, it's like defending the idea of transgender women. Um, now, okay, we need some work. Well, how about this? More vulgar, but roast, but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women, who are pretending to be women, competing against biological women. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you have the situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually have fully intact, you know, dick and balls. So we've got a scenario. Biological men have decided to take a walk on the feminine side or splashing into women's swimming competitions. It's like if you show up at a chili cook-off with a bowl of soup and insisting it's chili because you added some red food coloring. Sure, it's red, but it ain't chili. And your soup won't win any awards for heat, huh? Yeah. It's okay. We need work. Not that good. Yeah. It's very, very, very. It's dancing around it. Yeah. It is. Well, needs some work. Yeah. Needs a little work.

Well, humor is a weird one, right? It's like, I think some humor, especially like some of the best humor is kind of spontaneous, like in the moment humor. It's going to, it's going to have a hard time deciding what people are going to think is funny. Yeah. Yeah. But if you, the, the general rule over time, though, yeah. The rule with Grok is supposed to be, um, that, uh, like if you ask for something, provided what you're asking for is legal, it should do it.

Have you ever seen the video where, um, they asked AI to, uh, create an enlightened bunny and they keep going and make it more enlightened? Essentially, the bunny becomes God. So the bunny becomes a DMT trip. Yeah. Totally. That's, that's, that's funny. That's kind of what I was, I was kind of hoping would show would happen here. Yeah. I have a video of that. I'll send it to Jamie. Cuz that, to me, is pretty bizarre because it's like, more, get more. I, I might have got it to do it. Got it. Maybe. No, I just, not hold back. Oh, you said don't hold back. Critics out here acting like it's the end of civilization as we know it, but it's not fair. They cry as if life ever was. News flash, it's like a marathon where some, no, some people start with rollerblades on, others, well, they're just happy to have shoes. Well, now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates. Okay. Some of it is not bad. Imagine if we applied this logic elsewhere. Identify as an airplane. Can I fly with the birds in the sky? Locker room, sure. But just don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite aerodynamic enough. Yeah. So, I mean, some of it is okay. Um, yeah, the, the argument is kind of stupid, though. The thing, thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts. Yeah. Right. Totally. Yes. Exactly. So, I mean, the thing is that, um, if, if you give, if you provide like a, a moral get-out-of-jail-free card, like, like if you say, like, if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, shape, or form, right? You're, you're basically morally invulnerable. Then obviously bad people will take advantage of that. Yeah. You're like literally saying, here's a, here's a, an invulnerability card. Moral, moral invulnerability card. Um, good people will take it, but also the bad people will take it. They're going, the bad people are going to be the fastest to take the, the sort of, the moral cloak. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

And then there's a real psychological condition called autogynephilia, where people get aroused, heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women. It's like a known psychological condition that existed forever. And then you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their their kicks. And then there's real trans people. So there's like a lot of variability. Like, I, I talked about it in my act, in my, my Netflix special. It's like, I believe in freedom. I believe in transgender people. But I also believe in crazy people. And if you can't, if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy, all of a sudden, it's like, it just, it just like, like if, if someone's a, sort of consenting adult and they want to, whatever they want to do to their body, as long as it's not harming someone else, I'm like, that's fine. Yes. You know, like, I, I believe in like individual freedom. Um, and, uh, like, like my, you know, my mom's best friend, like growing up when I was a kid, was a, you know, transgender woman, um, in South Africa. This was like, where, you know, she'd get beaten up a lot, uh, because it was like, back then, you, you get beaten up. Um, so, um, her name is Dion. And, uh, for a nice kind human being. Um, and, uh, and it's, I think that's okay. You know, that's, that's fine. If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool. Um, there's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman, who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out. Yes. Exactly. Because there's people that do that just because they get off. Exactly. So you just, you just kind of have something which is like a, like I said, sort of moral invulnerability, or like where you can, like, even questioning them is, uh, you get attacked, you know, because obviously bad people will abuse that.

Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man who became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man. They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition. Like, no, yeah, that's not what it is. It's not what it is. Like, you can't say that. And, and, and of all sports, like if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair. But if someone beats the hell out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy. You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to appeal to the, the woke crazy people that think it's all right. Yeah. It's so strange that that when that's sort of the thing that red-pilled me, when I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts. I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the hell out of women, and people are like, you're out of line. Like, totally.

Well, we're in, we're, we're in fantasy land now. Now we're pretending because it, it helps you, it helps you feel better. Yeah. Totally. It's just such a strange time. And if it wasn't for something like Twitter, where this could be discussed, want some more that? I'll get some more. M. Let's get some more coffee, young Jamie. Um, if it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitter, you would be kicked off forever if you just dead-named someone. So like, which is insane. Insane. Yeah. Insane. I mean, especially if, if you think about all the things that, like, the, look, look, the Harris campaign and what the lies they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier. You can't, you don't get kicked off for that. But you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner, Bruce, forever, for life. Yeah. It's totally insane. Yeah. And, but if it wasn't for you buying that and and changing Twitter, I, I don't think we would be where we're at right now. I think it was, it was a pivotal moment. I think historically, when people look back on it, it's going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information.

Well, I mean, at the time, I said, I think like, look, I think this is, um, existential to the United States. It's existential to democracy. Because if, if you don't, if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy. Okay? Because if people, if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote. If, if they're just being fed propaganda, and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion. So, uh, freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is the first amendment. Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over. That's why I bought Twitter. And it seems so simple. Yes. It seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right. You shouldn't be given the government. If you imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq War, imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of dissent online. You don't want that. No one wants that. No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either. Absolutely.

And, and, and there's also like the, the media, like the legacy, the mainstream media, what I call the legacy media at this point. It, it used to be much more balanced. Like if you look at sort of, um, political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat, there used to be, the media was, I mean, they always had like a left bias, but there was like, I don't know, it was like two-thirds Democrat, one-third Republican type of thing in terms of journalists giving making political donations. Now it's like 95% or something Democrat. So the, the legacy media, the mainstream media is, is, is not balanced at all. They're, they're just a mouthpiece for the Democrat, Democratic party. Um, and you can see that in, in how consistent their headlines are. Like they don't behave like their different organizations. They behave like they're, they're all one hive mind. Right. So, you know, like a week before the, the Biden-Trump debate, the, there, every media organization was saying, you know, Biden is sharp. His attack. I mean, it was like, it's like, it's like, guys, "sharp attack" is not a common toner phrase. And literally every TV station, every newspaper was like, "sharp, sharp." Like, like, like somebody did a compilation of all the, you know, the news anchors going, "Biden sharp, his attack, sharp, his attack, is attack, is attack." It was absurd. And there obviously a huge lie. He is in fact not sharp. His attack, as the public learned one week later. My favorite was Joe Scarborough. Yeah. That. Yeah. Was wild. Listen to me. This is the best version of Biden ever. The sharpest. Like, what the hell are you saying? And then after the debate, he's like, what do we got to? We got to get rid of him. Like, this is crazy. Like, what did you just say like a couple weeks ago? Literally. Yes. Exactly.

Well, the other thing was, they're flat-out lying when they decided that JD Vance was weird. Remember that one? And then they just weird, weird, everywhere, weird, weird. Oh, you don't want a weird guy. Meanwhile, you have Tim Walz as your VP. Don't you think that guy's weird? Super weird. He's weird in every way. The way he walks, the way he waves his hands. Yeah. He reminds me of the clown emoji. He's a bizarre guy. He's a strange dude. It's a, I just don't understand why they made that choice. Yeah. It gives me the creeps. I just don't understand why they made that choice. There's a lot of other people that are qualified. I don't know why. I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep-deprived, which is kind of hilarious that she said that. So she's kind of admitting she kind of up. Yeah. I mean, they obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro. At, I mean, governor of Pennsylvania. Like, that would have been the no-brainer. That's a no-brainer move. Pennsylvania's the linchpin state. Do you think it's because he's Jewish because of Shapiro that like the anti-Palestine people would probably, or the anti-Palestinian, uh, invasion people? I think it was an anti-Semitic thing. Yeah. It could be that they thought that was a liability because there was all these pro-Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel. That completely makes sense that they thought that would be a liability. But, but I don't know. I don't know the reason. I'm just guessing. But, but it's, it seems like a crazy thing to do given that Pennsylvania's the linchpin state. You know, it's like the key to the election. Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania? Right. Obviously, obviously. Yeah. And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones too. Even Noem, there's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen. Like Noem would have been a fine example of someone you could. I mean, I don't agree with the guy exactly. He's a polished politician. Like he lies about as much as Walz does. But he doesn't lie about the, he doesn't say he was a head coach when he was assistant coach. Doesn't say he was in Tiananmen Square. I mean, that's a liability. All those different things. Lying about his military rank. Well, and Walz like, you know, cut and run when, when, you know, when he was actually called to duty. Well, he knew they were going to be deployed months in advance, so he resigned. And he also took, so this is where he was dishonest about his rank. Yeah. CLA. He was like, S-something or something like that, because that was like what he was going to get if he stayed. But then he resigned because he knew that he was going to be deployed, allegedly. I mean, that seems like like a cowardly action. Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest. I mean, just to say, look, just saying that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach is crazy. That's a lie. Don't do that. You should never do that. Yeah. Saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever, or in Hong Kong, whatever, like, yo, that's one of the most biggest moments in history. Like, it's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week, you know? Right. And not only that, but you don't think people are going to research that? Yeah. Totally. I mean, and the, the response during the debate was bananas. Said, I'm a knucklehead. Yeah. Well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP. Okay. Yeah. This is like, sometimes I'm a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying? Are you saying you lied? Like, what did you? I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate, exactly, where you go, okay, when did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square? Like, did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it? Like, what was, because this is the thing about like carrying weapons of war, like what I carried, and like you didn't deploy in war. Yeah. Like, you can't say that. But you kind of let people say that you deployed and then you kind of didn't. You know, you were deployed in war. So did you lie or did someone else lie and you didn't correct them? Like, this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with a guy on a podcast. And the debates were so skewed where they were correcting, like particularly the Biden one, where they're correcting Trump over and over again. And then correcting Trump with, uh, Kamala, where Kamala was saying things were not true. I mean, Kamala repeated deliberately repeated the "fine people hoax" and was not fact-checked.

Well, not only that, she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone, which is, I mean, I, I know troops in war zones. I'm like, um, that's, and as vice president, you're privy, you know, you're like, you, you know, you know the official troops and the unofficial troops, right? You know, so what she said was a, like, flat-out, bold-faced lie. Flat, next-level, bold-faced lie. Have you seen the video? Absurd lie. Of the troops that were watching it take place. And what the hell are we? They're watching it in real-time video. We're here being shot at. So crazy, crazy. But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subjected to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil. Because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible, connecting it to the Nazi rally like every step of the way. No wonder why boomers are like rabid. Like, you got to keep this Nazi out of office. He's a fascist. Exactly. If, if all you, if all you get is like, if, if your entire exposure is to legacy mainstream media, um, so that all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler, then, and you have no, and your friend group has that same information, you have no countervailing opinion, right? So then, then they, they actually just think like Trump is is Hitler. Even though it's like, it's a little strange. He didn't do Hitler things the last four years. Yeah. You know, I'm like, if he's Hitler, why didn't he do Hitler things when he was president for four years? Right? Like, the reason, you know, we hate Hitler because of he started wars and genocide, not because he was a snappy dresser. You know, um, you know, and, and I'm like, uh, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did. Uh, I don't remember that. And he was president for four years. So it's insane. It makes no sense.

Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars. It's like his primary concern. Exactly. The warmongers, like Liz Cheney, hate him. Yeah. Cuz they love war. Well, they profit off of it. They profit off of war. Yeah. Yes. Which is insane. Insane. Yeah. And that this is happening right in front of everybody's face. Yeah. The, the war profiteers hate Trump. Yeah. Which is up. I mean, it's like, like, like we should be like, yeah, let's vote for the guy that the war profiteers hate. That sounds like a great idea. It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala. And the left went crazy. Like, yay, Dick Cheney's on our side. Like, yeah, like, I'm like, can we, can we play all the, all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil? It's the craziest turn, the craziest like 180 I've ever seen in my life. Cuz there's no reason for it. Yeah. Doesn't make any sense. Make sense. No logic to it at all. Just all of a sudden, he's the devil. Yeah. Or he's not the devil. He's, he's good. It's good that he's supporting Kamala. Even Dick Cheney, you know. I mean, warmongers want, want the, the Kamala puppet regime because they will get more war.

It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities like step up. Like, and they think it's going to get them more movies or something. That's what it is. If you know those people, people, so many of them are complete narcissists. Well, let me tell you how it actually works. There is what happens is, you know, these celebrities, they, they get a call. Okay? They had a call from someone powerful in Hollywood. And that person says, you know, it would be really great if you endorsed, uh, Kamala. You don't have to. It's up to you. But if you don't, they don't say it. They don't say it. But if you don't, you're never going to get a call again. No more movies, no more concerts. But they, they ask. They'll ask it. They ask it in a really nice way. It'd be really nice if you endorse Kamala. This is important. And so they don't say it. If you don't, they don't make the threat. They don't need to. But everyone knows what'll happen if you don't.

Well, I think there's also, even if they don't think that something's going to happen to them if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is going to get you a bunch of positive attention and you're going to be on the right side of history. And all these narratives that you, especially from the left in Hollywood, like they're all in on whoever the is the Democrat, always 100%. There's never a call from the, the, the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans. I've never seen it once. Yeah. Ever. Never. So it's like, you realize that, and that whole business is based on getting picked. It's the whole business is not necessarily merit-based. There's a lot of brilliant actors you never hear from. There's a lot of people who can do that, but they don't get chosen for roles. And everybody knows this, that you have to sort of socialize the line, or you don't get chosen for the roles, because there's a lot of competition for the roles.

This is why that's why I say, like, when you, when someone powerful in Hollywood who's able to make to choose these roles, calls one of these celebrities, they know the deal. Yeah, there's no, no, no threat is necessary. Well, you could see it in real time, like with Dennis Quaid when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms. They were, they were banning ads for it. Yeah, for what? Because it was an election year? Like, what are you talking about? This is about a guy who's dead. Yes, a guy who was president a long ass time ago. Like, what, what do you, how is this, how does this have anything to do with the election year? But it's the punishment. It's like, you stepped outside the line, you supported the other guy. Yeah, you're the problem. You'll just, you'll just never, you'll just never get a call for a movie or, you know, concert or whatever it is. Yeah.

Which is crazy. That's the issue. I mean, we used to allow people to be a Republican and still be a movie star, like Clint Eastwood, Reagan. Yeah, but Clint, yeah, like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican and yet was, you know, a giant movie star. And people's like, ah, it's Clint. He was allowed. You were allowed to have, there was a variety of different opinions. Charlton Heston. There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have. But now you're not. Now it's just like, and once Trump, Trump got into office, he became this focal point where all logic was thrown out the window. And it's just, Trump is bad, you have to attack Trump. Trump is right-wing is bad. Everyone right-wing is bad. Christians are bad. Yes. It's just strange. Yeah. Exactly.

So, well, I'll say it again, man. Um, I think this is the last election. If, if Trump doesn't win, this is the last election. I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. I think people, and a lot of people are waking up and realizing that that have been lifelong Democrats, guys like Bill Maher, like Tulsi Gabbard, switched over to the Republicans. Like, there's a lot of people who their whole life they've been left-wing and they realize, like, I can't do this anymore. You and I used to be Democrats. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. It's nuts. It's nuts, man. And, uh, you know, I mean, I think the things we want are just pretty basic, you know? It's like, we want, you know, individual liberties and we want, um, opportunity. We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity. Um, so we maximize people's personal freedom. The government can't barge into your house and kill your pet. Um, that's, that's up. Um, and, uh, you know, and, and, and that you succeed as a function of your, of your, of hard work and talent, not anything else. Not race, religion, sex, doesn't matter. You know? Yes. It's basic stuff. And, and then what did you change the, the acronym DEI? What did you change it to? Oh, DIE. What is it? DIE. I mean, because diversity, inclusion, and equity is DEI. But didn't you change, dedication, excellence, and? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we, we want America, opportunity. America being the land of opportunity means that, that we, we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill. Yeah. You know? And, and that's radical. Yeah. Radical. The best person makes you right-wing now. You know, I'm like, okay, great. Call me right-wing. I don't care. Um, so, you know, like, and, and, and you, we, you're not a real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a fake country. Um, so we, we need, and our cities are unsafe and and dirty. Um, like, um, you know, my, my mom was telling me, my mom's like pretty red-pilled at this point. But, but, you know, what's going to red-pill you really, really fast is is having friends get assaulted on the streets of New York. Yeah. And, and that happened to three of our friends this year. Got assaulted on the streets of New York, just walking around. Yeah. Um, and, um, nobody got arrested. Nothing, nothing happened.

Well, the morale of the police is like depleted. Yeah. Substantially, for sure. The morale of the police get depleted. And, and then also, like, at some point, like, like, if you're a police officer, and you, you're arresting someone who's, who's violent, you're putting a life at risk, obviously, because they might, you know, sometimes they'll try to kill you. And then if you know that arresting that violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York. Alvin Bragg, doesn't he? Doesn't prosecute people. Um, then, then why, why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will not be, they will just be let out immediately? Yeah. It's pointless. Yeah. Then we got, it's like the freaking Joker. It's like Dark Knight, Dark Knight, like the freaking Joker is in charge. Yeah. Like, the criminals run free and the citizens are arrested. That, like, this is why I like, keep coming back to this. This, I'm like, still pretty shook about the freaking squirrel thing. It's like, yeah, they, at gunpoint, forced the guy to like, stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them. Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free in this is, in New York state, are running free. This is a Joker. Yeah. It's not the, the law-abiding citizens are, you know, arrested and, and, and the criminals are they free? This is, this is up. Guys, just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crime that they have. You have the resources, the government resources to go kill someone's squirrel. Yeah. What, this whole idea of this, um, government efficiency agency? The government? Yeah. I mean, whatever you want, but what do you want to call it? What do you call it? I mean, I think the funniest name is, is, do the, the Doge Department of Department of Government Efficiency. Um, yeah. I mean, the idea is pretty simple is that, like, we've got, uh, this, this, uh, suffocating, massive federal bureaucracy, and we need to, uh, you know, it's that is, and the government, government spending is like bankrupting the country. Uh, you know, our, uh, interest payments on the national debt now exceed the defense department budget, which is, and the defense budget is like a trillion dollars a year. Interest payments on our, on the national debt are now higher than the defense department budget, and, and growing like every month. So it's like, it's not like a, like, basically, we're on a path to, to bankruptcy. America's on a path to bankruptcy. So we have to cut government spending. Um, or we're just going to go bankrupt, just like Postwood, that overspends. Um, and then, but it's even worse than that. Like, we're spending money on all these, like, these government agencies. And I, like, I asked, I actually asked the AI, like, how many government agencies are there? And, uh, the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are. Like, so, so it's like, somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency. So there, there are, so there, there at the federal level. So that, that, that's almost twice as many agencies as, as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies at roughly two agencies a year. Wow. Yes. Uh, so this is insane. I bet there's like, I, I wonder if there's even one person who could even name all 450 agencies at the federal level. I, there might be no one. Um, but hardly anyone. Let's just say. I bet, I bet most people couldn't even name like a hundred. You know? So, so this is, this is, this is crazy. So we got the suffocating, this vast, suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year. Um, and, and eventually, you get to the point where everything's illegal. You can't get anything done. So, so what can be done? Like, with, obviously, the president has a lot of power, but how much power and what can be done in terms of like, eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating? Yeah, well, I, so like, if, if Congress has created an agency, then I often, if you look at the law, the law is like pretty simple. Like, the agency has like a very simple task, but then that agency over time vastly increases its authority, um, and starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress. Um, that's happened with pretty much every agency. So, so yeah, you'd have to, you'd have to still, you know, uh, keep an agency. You'd have to match the law, but you can, you can tailor the agencies to be much smaller and say, you got to stick to what Congress authorized instead of all this other stuff you're doing, which I think makes sense.

And so, is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok, or they just create jobs and create things to do and create a meaning for their existence? Yeah, it's like a tumor. It's just going to keep growing. Jesus Christ. And it, and it's so, I mean, for SpaceX, Starship was sitting on the pad, the rocket, with the giant rocket. We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch. Two, so we're sitting there for two months. But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to, with you? I can't. I mean, maybe a little. But I mean, that was also not be cool. Yeah. Uh, but the, I mean, another way to think of it is like, the, the amount of the amount of paperwork, uh, is going to go roughly with the square of the number of agencies involved. So because they all have to meet with each other. So like, let's say in a best-case situation, if, if you've got like, if, if there's like, if you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing. But if, if you've got to deal with five agencies, and the agencies will have to meet with each other. Now you've got like, you know, 25 different, you know, meeting configurations that have to take place. Um, and it just, everything just, you, you get just hardened of the arteries. You just can't make, make progress. Like, this is why we can't build, build high-speed rail in America. It's basically illegal, right? So this has been the, the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment, we need to protect people, we need to make sure the rule of law is followed. So we need a certain amount of regulation. But overregulation is a giant problem. That's a big issue in California. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run a, run amok. They make it very difficult to get anything done. Yes. I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created. Um, and in the past, what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war. Because like, like, well, we're going to lose if we don't kind of clear the decks. But we haven't really had an existential threat of war in the US. We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year. Um, and to the point where, like I said, like everything's illegal. You know, and it's not like any one regulation is the problem. It's like, it's like Gulliver being tied down by a million little strings. It's not like any one string is the problem, but you got a million of them. So we have, we, we've got to clear the decks here. Um, and, and I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators. I'm just saying we, we, we've gone way too far. Once you think of regulators like, uh, like referees on a field, you know, a sports field. Um, you don't want to have no, no refs. You want to have some number of refs, but you, you don't want to have way more refs than players, right? You don't want to be like, well, you know, the running back couldn't, couldn't complete the F because there were too many regulators in the way, because the football field's full of regulators. Yeah. You know, like you can't even play the game, right? That's the issue we got right now. Well, that's a great analogy. Yeah. I can imagine a football field that's filled with referees. Like the football field's filled with refs. You know, you can't even run past them. Yeah. Yeah.

I've seen criticism of this idea of, um, coming up with this department of like, firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work. But the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is, if you measurably, if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources, which I think is pretty easy to do, and if you could say that this is not the most efficient, like, the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a company because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable. Yeah. The government doesn't have to be profitable. They don't have to be efficient. They don't have competition. Yeah. So if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck and someone makes cars and the cars are better, they're going to succeed. So this is the free market. The government doesn't have this problem when they're, they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the public, by the private sector. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've, we've gotten, we've got far too many government agencies. The, the federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand. Um, and we just need to pare it down to a sensible level. Um, and if it turns out that, like, there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful, we can put it right back. No problem. Like, it's like, oh, that regulation was important. No problem. We put it right back. Right. As long as actually know, but be able to be able to look at it logically and objectively. And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're going to have removed. Yeah. Like a couple years or something like that. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I mean, I'm just, these are again, just ideas. But I mean, it's the point is not that people suffer economic hardship. The point is just that they, they're, there are more productive things they can do in the economy. And it's, and it would be better if they did these other more productive things. Um, and we didn't have this vast federal bureaucracy. So, so like, so I was like, huh, you know, maybe like a couple years of pay would be good. Um, and then they, they could take a vacation, they could take it, take another job and get double pay. I mean, it's like, it's not like it's going to, you know, create an economic crisis. I think it's actually going to be really good. I think because, uh, we can, people, you know, people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings. The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30 year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system. You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And then you're like, nope, you have to go out and compete in the free market. You're like, Ah, that's that's scary to people. But you have to be valuable. You have to actually be valuable. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I mean, let's look at, like, you know, whatever the, the government pension and stuff, they're not going to be, you know, um, in tough. I think they'll be in good financial shape.

How are you going to have the time to oversee all this? Well, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty good at, uh, improving efficiency. I mean, um, I would say so, yeah. But still, this, this seems like a giant undertaking. Yeah. I, I'll probably need to beef up obscurity. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, but, you know, like I said, like, no one's going to experience, like, I think economic hardship. That's, you know, they, they'll be fine, you know, and they'll, people do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of, um, you know, like when East Germany and West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany. And, and it was really inefficient. And that, like, their economic output was like, I know, a quarter of what it was in, in West Germany, because everyone was working for the government. Government's like fundamentally inefficient. So, um, the best example is probably North and South Korea, right? Yeah. Like, people are starving in North Korea, and South Korea is incredibly prosperous. Yeah. Like, and it's the same people, just different operating system, right? So, um, you know, it's just like, you just want to move people from, you know, less productive things to more productive things, where they may, you know, because you can also say, like, in the limit, like, let's just say, let's consider the other direction, where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing making goods and services, and we moved them into the government as regulators. Now they stopped making those goods and services. The, so the stuff they were making is no longer available. Now they're just being regulators. Like, is that a good thing? That's not a good thing. Doesn't sound good. No, it's not good. Doesn't sound like there's a real market for it. Like, you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there. They're all these fake jobs, basically. Um, and, um, that doesn't make sense. So, look, we, we got to do this because the, the country's going bankrupt. Like, we, if we don't take action, we're, we're dollars going to be worth nothing. And the interest payments, which are already 23% of, of, to, of 23% of all government income, call income taxes, tariffs, and everything, is just going to pay interest right now. And that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest. There won't be money for anything. No, there won't be money for Social Security, won't be money for Medicare, nothing. That's where we're headed. That's what bankruptcy means. Yeah. That's such an insane concept. Yes. Um, let, like, hello, wake up, wake up. And if somebody can tell me, can, can, can show me, like, pencil out the math, show me how this works, I'd love to hear it. But, but just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers here, and I'm like, if we don't do something, America's toast. Won't be money for anything.

Trump likes to talk a lot about, a lot is tariffs. Yeah. What, what are your thoughts on tariffs? I know that's very controversial to even people, economists they disagree. Some agree, some think it's a good idea, some think it's a terrible idea. What do you think? I think you need to be careful with tariffs. Um, like the, I, I deal a lot, a lot with like supply chain issues. You know, like, like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex. So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, you, we've got a factory, like somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car. Now that suddenly, if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it like messes everything up. You know? So, um, so you, you want to be, uh, have tariffs be predictable, so that companies can adjust their supply chain. I mean, I think, I think companies are more than happy to, uh, increase, uh, manufacturing in America. It's just that you can't do it instantly. So if, if you put in, if you, if you put up giant tariffs immediately, um, and don't give companies a chance to, uh, you know, build factories in America, like, because you have to, you got to move atoms. Like, you've got to build a building, you've got to install equipment, you've got to train people. Like, that doesn't happen instantly. Um, so you just got, you want to have a, for tariffs, uh, you want to have a ramp so that people, companies can adjust, and, and, and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place. Um, otherwise, you just basically just shock the system and it, and it breaks or bad things happen. So I'm, I'm against like sudden, sudden giant tariffs because they, they're, it's an impossible response if you've got to, you know, move a thousand tons of equipment, you know, you just, some cases, collectively millions of tons of equipment. You just can't do that overnight. It's literally impossible. So I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs, and, and give companies a ramp. I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing. I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing. So I've spent a lot of time in the factory.

Well, we've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and how complicated it is and about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as like say, building a Tesla. Yeah. Manufacturing is super hard and complicated. So, you know, like a lot of people just, they, they've never been in a factory or they don't know where, how, how difficult it is to make things. Um, and they, you know, for a lot of people, they think just ketchup comes from the store. You know, like the store, like just has a, like those are like people. Like for a lot of people who've been in academia or, you know, for all these like sort of socialist communist types, like they've never actually made anything. So they, they, they operate on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services. And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else, it's because they took more from this magical horn of plenty. And I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty. The, the, there's no cornucopia. Uh, it's actually goods and services come from people working collectively, doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like. Um, and that you, that you need. Um, so, but we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas. I mean, America is still the second biggest manufacturer in the world. So it's not, not mean, still make a lot of stuff. But, um, we could make more. Um, probably should make more. I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do.

Well, it'd be very nice if we were completely self-sufficient, like medicine. Like, there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas. That was a huge problem during COVID because all the shipping was shut down. Yeah. I mean, you, you don't want to say like, so there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage. Like, like, so if you're completely self-sufficient, what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself. And, and, and even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself. Which means you're going to have the inferior, more costly product domestically. Right? Like Soviet Russia. Yeah. Like trade improves prosperity. This is, this is important. Um, so you, you don't actually want to be make everything yourself. Um, and you can, you can run this like, you can think of this thought experiment on a, on a sort of a, a micro scale and or small scale and then expand that and say, where does the, at, at what point does the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid? Now, let's, let's, let's consider the case of you as an individual. Imagine you have to do everything yourself. You had to farm, you had to, uh, grow chickens, you got, if you want eggs, you've got to build your own house, you've got to do your own, uh, electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself. Everything. How, now, that would be impossible. Okay? Now, let's expand it to, okay, you've got, there's 10 people. Now you're going to have some, uh, specialization of tasks. Okay? Maybe one person can be really good at, you know, construction. Another person could be good at farming. It's like, but it's still, you know, 10 people's not enough. So, like, let's go to 100 people. Now, let's go to 100 million people. Now, let's go to a billion people. And you still get the, the economics of, of, uh, specialization. Like, like specialization of labor, where people become expert at particular things, still matters at a billion people or at 8 billion people, which is Earth. So you still want, um, you, you do want specialization of labor. You do want, uh, countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing. Um, also it encourages innovation. If you have competition, if the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars. We have to compete with them. Which is like one of the things that happened during, like the 80s and 90s, and America was making crap cars and Germany was making much better ones. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, the, yeah, the Japanese car. I mean, yeah, I mean, basically, American car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s, and then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just cleaned the clock, you know? Um, and, uh, there was like, an old joke from the, that is kind of telling. Um, it's a very old joke. Um, where it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies? Well, it's like, well, in the Japanese car company, you had eight people rowing and one person steering. And in the American car company, you had eight people steering and one person rowing. If this was a boat. So imagine the boat race. Yeah. Boat race. Japanese boat, you got eight people rowing, one person steering. In the American boat, um, you got, you got one person rowing and eight people steering. And when the American car company loses the race, they, they fire the rower. And it's like, okay, that was actually kind of true. Yeah. One of the things like everyone wants to do the be the boss and everyone wants to do the work type of thing. Yeah.

One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is, uh, the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI, that a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, Teamsters, all that stuff is going to be eliminated. What, what do I mean? You're at the forefront of this. So how do you see this playing out? And what do you think that can be done to mitigate, uh, a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel? Loss of income, obviously. Universal basic income is being floated about. But that seems to me to only be part of the problem. Another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose. Now, we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future, you know? Like, how far do you think it is? Well, I mean, it's, it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing. So we've got like immediate issues, we've got short-term issues that are, I know, one to three years, medium-term issues, like five to 10 years, longer-term issues, which are like maybe 20 years. Longer term, I think there is this question, if, if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life if the computer can do everything better than you can, and the robot can do everything better than you can? But we're, we're still, we got a long way to go before that. And we're, you know, um, and I do think it's like 80% likely to be a good outcome, maybe 90%. So I think everyone's going to have their own like personal robot. And I think at a certain point, like, wouldn't you want to have your own personal C-3PO, R2-D2? So it's going to be essentially just like everyone has their own phone. Yeah. Everyone will have their own robot buddy. Like, literally. Well, it would be great if it protected you. Like, if you walked down the street of New York City, have a Terminator with you. I know about the Terminator. Hopefully, we got to avoid. We don't want this to be the plot of James, James Cameron, you know, we would more, more Gene Roddenberry than than James Cameron movie situation. But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots. Jack, Tesla robots were there to protect something that just fully robots. So many fully robot there to protect you from a bad neighborhood. Yeah. That would be very interesting. I mean, this is, you could potentially see that. Yeah. Restaurants would probably have no robot rules. They can't bring a robot. Yeah. Leave your robot. Stand, leave your robot outside. Your robot standing by the table, man. The future's going to be wild. It's going to be wild. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be really unpredictable. Like, I don't think, I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it, but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming. Yeah. And was kind of, kind of completely drown society and change it forever. Yeah. I mean, it's, we have, like I said, it's, it's not like it's not going to happen like overnight, but it's 20 years from now. I'm like, I think it's like 20 years from now. I think there's going to be more, more humanoid robots than are humans. Really? Yes. More humanoid. What? That's so crazy. Like, so that's like more guns. We have more guns than people in America. We have more robots than people in America as well. Yes. You have a bunch of old robots nobody wants anymore, I guess. Um, early, early pioneers or something. Um, in, in a historical timeline, 20 years in the past is not been that big of a deal. You know, I mean, this is a big deal, but you go from like 1900, 1920, not that big of a deal. 1920, 1940, kind of a big deal. 1940, 1960, things start getting weird. 60 to 80, wow, that's a big difference. 80 to 2000, holy, now you have the internet. 2000 to 2020, whoa, this is nuts. You have propaganda, social media, YouTube, streaming. 20 years from now, like, what are we even talking about? Mmm. It's going to be that much of a shift. Like, it's all accelerating. And we're in the middle of it. So it's very difficult to sort of like feel it while it's happening. It kind of just feels like life and you just get adapted to the changes. Yeah. I mean, people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket. An article that can answer any questions. People just take it for granted. Yeah. It's normal. Yeah. They get mad if it doesn't work. Yeah. It's like Louis C.K.'s joke about using your phone when you're on a plane. Piece of like, you're in the sky, floating in the air, and now it will work with Starlink too. What's that? It will work with Starlink. The Starlink connection. Uh, it'll be like being on the ground. Well, I was telling you how I used Starlink when I was in Utah. I was in the mountains of Utah. There was no cell phone service anywhere near, and we had full YouTube, we had text messages, FaceTime, everything, phone calls. It was nuts. Yeah. And it was, it's this big as that cigar box. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so light. When I brought it out there, like, that's it. I, this is it. Let's just plug it in. And the guys I was in camp with, they're like, this is crazy. Yeah. The whole camp was like sharing it. So like 10 people. Yeah. Using the Wi-Fi signal. Right. It's nuts. Yep. And then, you know, that's the beginning. I mean, you, what you're at right now is like, what version? This is Starlink Mini, right? So this is like a very small version. How, how much smaller can it scale down from that? Well, there's a certain, uh, area that you need. Like, the bigger the area, the, it's the more you can like, like bandwidth. Yeah. Because you're, you're like trying to catch these, like photons, essentially. So you can think of the, like the, you know, the area of the, of the, of the antenna is like the more area you have, the more photons you can catch. Um, so, but, but we have a direct to cell capability as well that we're just, uh, we've been launching that will turn on, I probably in a few months, that that'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified. Um, but, but because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about a hundred times less bandwidth. But still, you know, you'll be able to, like, do text messages, you know, pictures, like medium resolution videos, that kind of thing. One of the cool things about the new phone, the new, uh, iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it, and I was in the mountains last month, and I was text messaging with satellites. Yeah. iMessages, right? And receiving them. But just text. Yeah. Just text. Yeah. But still pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, what are we, what are we going to be looking at 100 years from now? I mean, when you, 100 years from now, I hope civilization's around. Yeah. That'll be a win. Yeah. Yeah. What, what are the chances that we mess this whole thing up? 50%? It's hard to say. I mean, um, I guess not, like, I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's like some really massive global nuclear war. Um, but, I mean, you, Stephen Hawking, he would say that there's like a one at least a 1% chance of total annihilation every century. That was his rough estimate. Um, but there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today. So you say, like, well, because you look at say, you know, these various civilizations throughout history, whether it's the, like, ancient Sumerians or the, you know, Egyptians, the Romans, like, they, they, there's like a life cycle to civilization. They reached a peak and then they started subsiding. Um, so, so I think a bigger question is like, will, will, will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in 100 years? Um, I think it's probably going to be better. I, I think, but any estimates are going to be, so there's so many dependencies. Like, like an estimate, I think is, I'm not sure it has any, any meaning. Um, because it's like, there's so many things that can happen in 100 years.

Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed. Yeah. And they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say, we have to do our best to mitigate this. And we've seen this happen before. Let's course correct. And let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now, because it's pretty extraordinary. Yes. This is what we're hoping for with this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now. And it might be the only moment in history where this is possible because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of, you're voting for primaries, and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place, you don't really have democracy anymore. You don't really have choice. Exactly. You don't really have freedom. That's right. Yeah. I think freedom is is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow. And we'll know, we'll know. I think we'll know by the end of day tomorrow. I don't think it's going to take, it's not going to be like days after the election. I think we'll know tomorrow.

Are you optimistic? I, I am. I'm currently optimistic. But, um, the, the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue. So, um, I, I don't know what, what the reason is, but, but men just vote at a much lower rate than women. I think it's like 9%, right? Someone just told me that today. It's, it's a, it's a big difference. Um, like, and, uh, I'm just like saying, this is a message to the men out there. Vote like your life depends on it because I think it does. Vote, vote tomorrow, like your life depends on it. Nothing is more important. I agree. Yeah. Listen, man, thank you for being here. I know you're busy as so I really appreciate your time. And again, I, I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history. I really do think you've, you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before. And I think it was dangerous. It is, it is dangerous. Hopefully, I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars. That's, that's, that's all I'm asking for here. I don't think that's too much to happen. Thank you very much. Appreciate. Thank you. Pleasure. All right. Bye.