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Up and and and causing that that was just some sort of a a special degree of just horrible person, you know.
Yeah. That's like um terms of extremity of malevolent, psychopathic, sadistic. So So they shot Patricia in the torso first. And do you remember the description of the the I don't want to even call him a gentleman. The gentleman who was like shuffling on his feet and was uncomfortable about how much Persia was suffering getting tortured.
I I I wish I could give you a better description, but just five or six uh potbellied hillbillies, you know, kind of if you if you looked at older pictures of my dad, they just kind of look like him. Just larger, thick people. Not necessarily fat, not necessarily what you would think of as like a Yeah. Country boy. A big country boy, you know, beards and little bit of hair, you know. Um
Yeah.
Just just thick 5 foot 10 to 6'1, you know, bigger 235 250 pounder guys. So
Just larger country boys and I I couldn't even tell you like their their facial features or anything like that. I just I can remember at least some had facial hair, beards, mustaches, that sort of thing. And just larger people dressed in what you would consider just kind of country music type of attire.
Yeah.
Boots and blue jeans and, you know, button-up uh cowboy type shirts.
Yeah. So they
That that's what all of them look like.
Okay. So when they they had guns, you said you remembered one and then two or three maybe four of them had guns. One of them shot Patricia in the chest. They tortured and raped Patricia. The one
Hillbilly was uncomfortable and said just end it to kill Patricia. But they how how long did they continue torturing Patricia before they shot Patricia in the head?
If I had to guess, I'd say probably in in the realm of 30 minutes or so.
I I can remember that that one or more of them raped her. Not everybody wanted to participate in that and then the one guy just seemed the of those people, one only one person really seemed exceptionally uncomfortable about the whole thing and didn't want to be there. Yeah. And Patricia said um Patricia wanted to die. That was what you remember Patricia saying to you to to kill Patricia like or that Patricia saying
They had beaten her like
So badly.
I don't know if all of them had beaten her, but one of them beat her uh hit her really hard in like the ribs and things like that. She was having trouble breathing and I in my estimation I think she already knew that they were going to kill her and she just said, "Please just kill me." Something to that effect.
Yeah.
And and I can remember looking at her and saying, "Baby, you're going to come be with me right now." And she looked at me and she smiled and I said, "I love you." And she one of them shot her.
Yeah. And she was having trouble. I said, "Just look at me. Don't look at them." And the other guy, he was he was breaking down. That guy that I'm telling you was shuffling on his feet. Um, he said, I mean, he he got a little upset or agitated or something and said, "Just [ __ ] end it or just shoot her in the [ __ ] head, whatever he said, because he was he was not enjoying it like like the guy that was doing the I guess you just call it torture."
Yeah. So, um, after that he shot her in the head and then I can remember them arguing, "Well, why did you shoot her there? Because now we have to find another mattress, you you know, you [ __ ] idiot or whatever you called him."
And uh, you know, the way that those people talk, he's like, you know, shut your mouth or we'll be get rid of two bodies or something, you know. Uh that may not have been the exact conversation, but that was the the mood of it and kind of the the information that was getting uh passed back, you know.
And then they wrapped her up in a sheet, took her out, and then I I think there was some discussion as to whether or not they could just put a sheet over the mattress, but there was obviously there was blood on it, and they said no. So, they rolled up the mattress or or did whatever they they they they did with the mattress and went and found another one and uh that's how that went.
It was just it wasn't a big bed. It wasn't like a queen-sized bed. The way I remembered, it was just like a twin bed.
And then Trump came in the room.
Yes. Now, in terms of you said you didn't remember if there was any cameras there there was was Patricia getting killed filmed. Do you remember seeing any Kramers at all?
I do not remember seeing any cameras at that time. So, if there was a way to record it,
Um, there wasn't any We went into that room alone not knowing that, you know, it was going to get uh
It was a setup.
Interrupted.
Yeah.
Right. And so there were no cameras or anything that we were Unless there was some sort of a mirror, two-way mirror and something set up behind it, that's possible that it was it was being filmed without our knowledge. But no, as far as do I know if there was any any way to record that? Um, I I don't think so.
Do you remember whether there was any
It would have been
Oh, I'm I'm sorry. Go ahead. From a from a logic perspective, I don't think it would have been recorded because those those six people were in that room, too.
So, five, six, four, however many it was. I think it was five or six. Um, they would have been in the in it wasn't a particularly big room. It wasn't like a main room. It was like a guest room with a you know individual bed. Um, so it in my mind I would doubt that that was filmed because it would have had those people that murdered her on on in the in the frame too. Whereas when they shot that girl uh in that separate instance in the in the film shoot, you know, the cameras were pointed to us uh in the bed and then the person came in and shot her from like you couldn't see the person shooting from the person who fired the shot from the film.
Was there
You just know she got shot?
Yeah. So, in the room, was there somewhere there where there might have been a a peepphole?
There could have been. I mean, that's possible if if somebody was just watching
Like
Maybe even Trump himself. Like I He wasn't there for any of that initial part. He just came in after.
Yeah. And you said your sense, what they had said, what they tried to convey to you is that they knew Trump was coming in the room after like Trump had hired them to
Yes.
Torture and pointed the gun at me and said, "There's going to be an old boy comes in here and you know, real southern draw. There's going to be an old boy comes in here. You going to do whatever he says or I'm going to put a bullet in you, too." And he called me something. Little hillbilly [ __ ] or whatever he whatever he he called and that was the one that had killed Patricia and he was smiling so it wasn't he wasn't trying you know I just remember how much pleasure he took in in the kind of the horror of the situation.
Yeah. Well, I'm trying to just get a sense in terms of because seems obviously that that obviously they knew about Trump that Trump wouldn't just like stand in the hallway and cool cool his heels. It's the sort of situation like from what you've described what I know of what I know of Trump that Trump would have wanted to hear what was going on or watch.
That's possible. I can't remember the exact layout of the room
Or that Trump.
Yeah. Or Trump just wanted you terrorized when Trump came into the room later.
It definitely wanted me afraid.
There's there's no doubt about that. And I if that was to do with his his desire to make the the the experience as horrible for me as possible or whether that was from his psyche to give him some protection because
Uh I was kind of already known I I I think at that point as being somebody that would fight back to the best of my ability.
Yeah. You know, so it it could have been either either circumstance, but it was it was definitely to to shock, traumatize, and and make me more pliable, I guess, in in terms of of acquiescing to whatever he he wanted to do.
Yeah. And I can just remember thinking I'm gonna kill this son [ __ ] if I can just if I can just get an opportunity. You know I'm a child at this point about you know around we'll say 12 years old. Um, so he is a much larger person than I am and of course 40 years ago he wasn't feeble. So you know I I was looking for that vulnerable point where I could try to kill him you know.
Well, that's again that's that's understandable context. You know, there's a lot of you know policy legislation or law per country where you know that that's a situation extreme circumstances when you're you're acting in self-defense. You have no idea at that point whether they might just come in and kill you right after. They'd said if you didn't do what they called Trump the old an old boy the old boy wanted that they they'd shoot you in the head as well.
Yeah. Yeah. They never they never said his name. I can tell you that. But I recognized him. And then uh I didn't see him until a number of years later on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. I don't know if you remember that with Robin Leech.
Oh yeah. But I saw Trump on one of those episodes and I, you know, that's I knew that was him. So at that time I did not know that this is Donald Trump. It's just later when I saw him on the lifestyles of the rich and famous and I said, "Well, I know that rich [ __ ] you know, because in my mind I even as a child, you know, they they present on TV, you know, these these rich people being you know something that you want to be but from my experience
Oh.
Human beings on planet earth.
Yeah. Well, you know, there are folks that are financially wealthy aren't as utterly horrifyingly malevolent. You sure
Right?
You sure
My adult me knows knows that. But
But there there's obviously a lot you you encountered the worst of the worst without question. I I am hopeful though that they have already made one connection and if they do any more digging all they're going to do is find more connections.
Yeah. Because my dad has been involved in that sort of activity um since at least 1980, you know, at least and probably even a few years before that.
Yeah. So, we're talking 45 years and those paths are going to cross, you know, um you I know that they're looking for specific uh uh uh intersections between him and and Epstein, which I know exist.
Yeah. But he's also going to intersect with many other people that were involved in all of that stuff.
Yeah. He was kind of just one of those being a pilot and being a a former guy that could handle himself and having his I'm pretty sure private investigator's license and just thinking from my standpoint what that gives you the right to do like you said to to initiate investigations, look into databases, also carry a a sidearm.
Yeah. Um, so all of those things together, it definitely paints a, you know, definitely paints a picture.
Yeah. So I in terms of Ed Operan, I would be careful. I wouldn't contact him if Ed contacts you again. Is the sort of situation where um if you had any idea like in terms of who was corrupt and who isn't corrupt, it'd be like more like you know in terms of investigations. I think what I I have some contacts in terms of human rights lawyers and so on and that might be where we find some more Dudley D rights um that could help in even in terms of like prosecutors whether the United States and the ICC and so on. Um, there's one or two Americans that have been involved in civil rights, one involved in civil rights cases that um I think might help um that might be able to to help. Um, yeah. So, um, okay, day by day um once I get I'll get sort of a preliminary list during the next couple of days and um I'll get the audio files. I'll get a look at them, get them sorted, look at getting them uploaded onto a Proton drive and just sort of simmer with things. We can sort of go through the list. I wanted to sort of go conversation by conversation in terms of folks. I'm waiting for callbacks from some that might have suggestions in terms of prosecutors here in Canada. And then I just want to make sure in terms of careful contacts with I don't want to waste time talking to Americans that I don't want to waste time speaking to Americans that say they're going to behave helpful and that don't help. It's it's not right, you know.
Right. Right.
So, and I want to be extremely careful in terms of Americans just, you know, because of the circumstances. So in your case, I think it would be a good idea, just prudent just to have a a go bag packed. You know, just
I always do.
Oh, good. You know what? I would love if you would send me a a a text or something just with what you generally have in your go bag. Just as because that's helpful me for me to to have a look at just in terms of, you know, earthquake preparedness and so on stuff. I'd love to have a look at what you
The uh it's it's funny that you say that because I was just recommending because of all these floods to some people that they pack one and they were asking me the same thing and I was just saying hey your your your birth certificate your social security card, you know, your very important papers your passport, um anything that you cannot uh reduplicate, you know, for your life and then you know like clothes and stuff like that aren't necessarily that important. You can leave with the clothes on your back and still rebuild. Um, money, jewelry, um, a firearm if you have one.
Yeah. But that's that's kind of it. I don't I don't have anything sentimental or anything like that. It's just those things. As a matter of fact, it's on my bed right now. That's where I got my paperwork for my um um uh to to relay first armed bailis's information.
Okay. But I would uh I would definitely I would I probably love Canada anyway. You guys are friendly up there. Way more friendly than they
Yeah. A lot of folks that travel here, they're they're shocked by how You know, most of the Canadians they come across are like super helpful. And
It used to be that way here in America.
It did. It used to be. 40 40 50 years ago. It was an entirely different experience here in America. And it's to be honest with you, from somebody that's been here uh almost my whole life, it's it's absolutely heartbreaking to to see how how it's just how we've been divided, you know, how it's an us versus them and if you're on the red team, you you're bad and if you're on the blue team, you're you're not a Patriot and all this [ __ ] and and a lot of it just seems performative anymore from both sides to to a degree, but
Yeah.
One side is definitely, if you just look at the money, more corrupt in my opinion. I could be wrong.
Yeah. No, it's quite different. It's quite different indeed. So, okay. Well, let's, you know, radio silence with everyone else. Keep in touch with those Allen analysis folks. Might be interesting. I'll see about us get a better sense of things about, you know, a conversation with them. Maybe like a you and I and and the folks from out. Did you talk to anyone at the crust crustian yet?
I I have not I uh I answered them back, but they have not reached back out to me. Um, but the last contact I had with them before I spoke to you was that they were going to go and see if they could make a connection to either William Sasha Riley, my legal name now, Manuel Sasha borrows my name before it was changed, or William K. Riley. So uh through those flight logs. So I don't know if they are still working that aspect of it or if they have uh thus far run into a dead end or or what. But uh I had delayed my reaching back out to them just kind of waiting to see what was going to transpire uh here. So that's that's where we are with them.
So in my mind I was just going to be polite but not give too much information. If they did reach back out because I certainly don't want to brush them off, especially if they're um if they're actively, you know, pursuing leads and stuff like that, but I wasn't going to necessarily push forward, you know, or or do another interview or anything like that. Not at this time anyway. So, that's kind of where we are with that one. But, uh there were initially four that reached out. You were one of the four. The other two we've spoken about and the crustaceium they have not uh had further contact so
Okay I think
We shall see.
Yeah, I think if they follow up just again it's I just have a really strong sense that should really be radio silence.
Okay.
I'd really like to see in terms of speaking to some ethical prosecutors or Yeah.
It sounds good. I definitely appreciate all the all the all the follow-ups thus far and I'm kind of like I said, I'm a little nervous and anxious, but um as long as this can get peeled back a little bit, I feel like we're going to open the whole can of worms.
Yeah. Good, bad, or indifferent. You know, it's it's like somebody said, well, what if it, you know, and this is just online, you know, the the sentiment from most of the people is if if this is just going to decimate the entire government, well, then the the entire government needs to be decimated. If if our if the bulk of our institutions have been serving to use us as slaves and keep it quiet, then uh yeah, we need to purge that system, you know.
So, yeah. Uh, there are definitely some influential people though that that that's going to expose that aren't going to be too too terribly happy about it. But I don't know.
Yeah. Well, they don't have any they don't those perpetrators don't have any say in in the matter. So,
Right. Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. Well, all right. Well, I appreciate everything. I will I will be waiting to kind of hear something else and and we'll take it from there. Sounds good. Enjoy the rest of the day and um I'll look forward to checking in soon.
You do as well. Thank you.
Okay. Bye-bye.