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Nacho, very good. How are we, Siro? Foster's Hollywood. Foster Hollywood. Uh, and why have we come here? Because they have a wonderful breakfast. Do you know that I've gotten used to doing it in the United States? Seriously. I mean, all the with broken and with hand, every morning. I, of course, thought, I had a bit associated the image of Foster Hollywood, uh, especially because of Chavi, because of my children, to say, "Well, it's not for lunch, for dinner and so on." And I didn't associate it with breakfast. And well, if lunch and dinner are good, breakfast is even better. How have you liked living well your whole life, Siro? Uh, besides, these are these are some breakfasts, besides, look, look how substantial they are. Look, look, look. New Breakfast branch. How it shows, how the English shows, huh? How the English from the United States shows. You've improved a lot, huh? Before you would have stayed here at "new," but now you've been able to say everything. Of course. It's the authentic American breakfast that is inspired by cities like Los Angeles and New York, cities where the Spanish national team has been playing in this World Cup, the breakfast of champions. Well, but as we are going to be seen, we have come to chat, but also to, uh, but also to have breakfast. So, as they are going to be bringing out some products for us, the pancakes, for me, they are a weakness. Pancakes are crazy. I'm going to stick with the pancakes. I'm telling you. After that, you guys, the eggs, the ex, the ex for me. The ex like the ones the Spanish national team has had. I don't know if rancheros or a sandwich. Uh, s, no, and sandwich. Okay, okay. And sandwich. Those rancheros that Espinosa mentions, I liked them. Are you seeing? You are seeing me, you are seeing Nacho. I have to talk over there because the camera is there. But Jaime Herrero is also accompanying me. Uh, up there you have. Ah, I have one there. Okay, I have, look, look what a production. My friend Pablo Espinosa and my friend Jaime Herrero are here. Uh, hello. I already greet the three, three cameras that debuted five days ago and since I liked it, I said this guy has to be incorporated. He debuted in a World Cup semifinal and here we are again. He brought me back. Padilla recommended him. Listen, he brought him out at a moment in a World Cup semifinal, lucky, and we said we have to keep going with this guy. It hurts me not to be the youngest, huh, it hurts me to start accepting certain things. You were very grown up there, Pablo. But of course, but I'm telling you, besides, you are from 2006. [ __ ] I'm telling you 9 years already. You guys don't even enter anymore. You don't even enter the dispute anymore. 82. Of course. Well, let's get down to business, right? Let's get down to business, because we're going to talk first about what happened over the weekend, because I haven't spoken to you guys yet about the final and all that. I don't know if you expected the victory of the Spanish national team to be so clear. I didn't, I mean, I thought it was going to be a much more difficult match because honestly, the other day, well, yesterday during the celebration, reviewing the 2010 World Cup a bit compared to the 2026 World Cup, I felt that this 2026 World Cup, from the round of 16 onwards, has been quite easier than the 2010 one, not because of the opponents, but because we played better. That is, we didn't have a Paraguay with which we suffered so much, the semifinals against France were easier than that match against Germany, and the final, wow, the Netherlands gave us many more problems than Argentina did. Argentina didn't even shoot until the 116th minute. I was very surprised, but I'll tell you now with Monday's newspaper. At halftime of extra time, I was terrified, especially because losing that match against Argentina in that way would have meant closing the federation. I mean, if we lose the match on penalties, we can't go out on the street again. Imagine losing a final and your opponent's first shot on goal is a penalty after extra time, but with Monday's newspaper, which is what ended up happening, it's true that it was a final that I couldn't stop thinking when I was negative. Imagine being Argentinian. If I'm scared, imagine being on the other side. What will those who are streaming in Argentina be saying, who have been playing for 90 minutes or 110 minutes and haven't even come close? It was an absolute and historic triumph for the Spanish national team. I was terrified. I'm a bit with Pablo and we were saying it during the broadcast. I was terrified because of what we've always talked about, which I also repeat a lot in discussions because I'm very annoying. The luck of the champions, that's not a phrase that someone just came up with because I don't know what, or it's an easy way to talk about the luck of the champions. It's not that this phrase comes because to be a champion, besides being good, having a good team, having good individual players and so on, there is especially in finals, where you are playing to be a champion, there is that luck factor, the luck factor that a ball goes in that normally out of 100 shots you take, you score 99, and that day you don't score it. The luck of the champions is that an important player from the opposing team is sent off. The luck of the champions is that your star doesn't get injured, but maybe theirs does. Of course, I was watching the first half and I said, "I can't believe it. I can't believe we're not already winning 2-0." And as the match went on, I kept saying, "Damn, it's not falling, I've seen so many of these, it's going to be, you'll see, they'll come once, they'll score against us and they'll be champions." But above all, we've seen them, as you rightly say, it's part of the history of sport, but we've seen it a lot with Argentina. Argentina's main characteristic, I think the main fear we all had is that these guys have more lives than a cat. I mean, they've played poorly during the World Cup, but they've shown that they compete like no one else, because in a final where Spain dominates them to the level that Spain does, reaching the 106th minute for the goal, right? Until the 106th minute, without you managing to break through the goal, without them even warming up your goalkeeper's gloves, says a lot about how they can compete. Then there are the tactics, what the referee allows you. I think we all knew, listen, we can't be surprised, we knew perfectly well the match Argentina was going to play. They were going to muddy it up, they were going to make it difficult, Jaime, they weren't going to let the ball flow. They were going to try to make us despair, but I think Spain came very well prepared psychologically for what they were going to encounter, not to lose their nerves, not to fall into their game, not to suddenly have a player sent off. I think all the fear you guys had, all of us Spaniards harbored it. Hey, these guys are going to end up arriving once and they're going to score against us. It almost happened with Simeone's chance, which he sent high, which if Simeone, if Cholito had decided to put the inside of his foot like Ferran did instead of the instep. That was the Virgin of Covadonga. Well, and the one Cubarí appeared for to save it. They have those two chances, which are the ones they have from the 110th minute of the match, but it was written, people, it was written, I mean, in the end that goal, one way or another, was going to fall, it was going to appear, there were 20 attacks that the Spanish national team had, they were getting more dangerous, and at some point it had to go in, and the shark appeared to score it and to make us champions. There it is. Argentina got a bit stuck, I think, in their idea of trying to prevent football from being football. In the end, they practically had no chances because they were trying to mentally destabilize the national team. As Nacho said, the players never lost their cool. Cubar did have one that looked like it was going past him, but it was managed, and then the Argentinians were the ones who got a bit lost. Enzo, the tackle on Cubarrena which leads to him being sent off is very clear and it's a bit of a lack of concentration because it's in the midfield, a clear chance for Spain, and then also for him to be sent off. That's frustration. I think in the end, the smartest thing Spain did was, okay, they're going to play a match against us, I actually expected it to be even tougher. I mean, I had also done the England-Argentina semifinal live, where in the 10th minute there had already been 57 fouls, and I expected a tougher match. However, I think Spain was very intelligent because they saw that the way to make Argentina despair was to take the ball away from them, because Argentina, no matter how much they've won in this World Cup, historically the reputation of being tough, the Argentinian players are not that in midfield. Argentinian players are playmakers. I mean, McAllister is a guy who is comfortable with the ball, as is Messi, as is Julián Álvarez, as is Enzo Fernández, and Enzo Fernández, who is my favorite player in the world, I saw him in an action of desperation there. You get sent off for protesting and for a very late tackle on a ball, because you are a player who is not used to going 95 minutes without touching the ball. Of course, I'd like to see how many touches Enzo Fernández had in the match. I'm making it up, 17. So, I'm not justifying the action, I'm just explaining why a player like that does it. And I think Spain was very good there because the way to make Argentina despair is not to fall into their game, where they beat us, but to not even let them get into the match. Wait a second, because there are more than 100 people. Well, welcome, and if any of you are from Madrid and are nearby, come here, come and see how we do the live discussion. We are at Foster Hollywood, come and have breakfast at Foster Hollywood on Gran Vía, we are at Gran Vía 56. Do you know what happens? Everything has been very rushed, we haven't had time to notify people. The notification arrived yesterday at 10:30 PM. Of course, you know what happens, we could sense that Spain was going to be champion, but the confirmation came when it did, and so we quickly put it together with the people from "It's the breakfast of champions." The breakfast of champions. ADC. Uh, perfect. Look, I was telling you, I was talking to Argentinians yesterday and they were telling me, "How do you see it from the outside?" What surprised me, I mean, how did you see Argentina's performance? Look, two things. When I saw the semifinals against England, and you see that first half, it gives you an idea of what they were going to present to us, but then when you see them wanting to play football, the Argentinians with the ball in the last part of the match, they have seven clear chances, they could end up scoring five goals against England. So I was telling them, of course, then I was telling the Argentinian colleagues, I mean, honestly, I've been surprised by how reactive Argentina has been in this World Cup instead of proactive, being the reigning champions, having good players in midfield. I mean, so you cling to that rougher, more primitive football because you think that's what will give you results instead of saying, "Damn, but I have footballers who can play well with the ball and maybe look each other in the face a bit more," but I think they made themselves so small thinking, "We're not going to take the ball away from them, we're going to end up chasing shadows, let's think about this plan, which is the only way we can minimize them." And I think that's partly admitting we are worse than you and partly the huge mistake of the Argentinian national team, which I don't think too much of their possibilities either. It's what I said before, in the end Argentina gets stuck in that idea of trying to dirty the game, of trying to stop it, when in reality they do have the tools to develop a beautiful game, to play real football, and besides, as Pablo said, they are players who are not used to playing a game like the one they are playing with Argentina at their clubs. So, far from destabilizing the Spanish national team and far from harming us, it harmed them. I think in general the Argentinian collective hasn't worked. I mean, the big difference between this Spanish national team and Argentina, many people might think it's the players, but I honestly think that in the starting 11, we are not much superior to Argentina. I mean, one-on-one, I don't know, there's a 65, a 74, something like that, but I don't think we are a much superior team in terms of individuals compared to Argentina, but collectively, yes. And collectively, this Argentinian team has never worked, and Spain, and Spain has, and I think De la Fuente has won the game against Scaloni, but I think both Lionel and Scaloni and Luis de la Fuente, first, and Luis de la Fuente has highlighted it, first wanted to build a team, okay? And I think the success of, what happens is that the path has been different, I mean, I think Scaloni, whose success in Qatar, let's not forget, was also a team, he does it through a player, yes, that he bases it on Messi, that everything leads to Messi. And Luis de la Fuente also builds a team, and unites the team, but not around a single player. It was a collective, it was a collective. One day the protagonist could be Dani Olmo because he was very in form, and another day it could be Lamine Yamal, and another day it could be, I mean, Merino, of course, it didn't focus the team, it didn't focus it solely on one player, on always looking for that player. I think Spain has looked for our players, but depending on the match and the moment they are going through in each match. That's the success of Spain, because Argentina's success has gotten this far because of the team. Of course, but Argentina was looking for comebacks that are, that all enter the history of the world. A team because everyone had a clear idea of what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it. Did it work out better or worse? Of course, the other day Messi didn't even exist or appear. He existed. You know what also happens with a style of football like Spain's, taking the ball away from Spain is already very difficult. If you do it with nine guys pressing you, it's even more complicated because you're going to lose Messi in that task. So Spain, I think, was also aware of that. There was a very quick stat, Nacho, of the eight teams that reached the quarterfinals, the team that stole the fewest balls in the attacking third was Argentina, which is also Messi at 39 years old. It compensated them, huh, it compensated them, it compensated them, of course, but against this Spain, you are absolutely dead. However, you, Siro, were talking about De la Fuente and his decisions and how he achieved that collectivity. All of De la Fuente's decisions have worked out. Even those of us who criticized some at the beginning, he has silenced us. Look, do you remember the first debate about De la Fuente? How was he going to put Unai in goal, when it should have been Joan García, the first, the second, and the last, because that debate has been going on every day. The first pre-World Cup debate, I think, I think it was this. Then there were many doubts about the defense, and look at the defense he ended up putting together because he said, "Listen, I have bad wingers," he said, "I don't have Nico Williams or Yamal from the Euros because both are coming back injured. I'm going to turn the full-backs into my two daggers." And he turned Pedro Porro and Cucurella into what they were in their day, those guys who get to the byline, those who become two daggers, two long wing-backs, he turned them into that, the center-back pairing, I mean, and then the midfield, Spain had two midfielders. Then he has to make the ballsy decision to say, "I'm benching Pedri, I'm putting Fabián in the pre-match, when does he put him in the semifinals for the first time?" He puts him in as a starter, if I'm not mistaken. You have to have very big balls. You have to have the eggs for breakfast, you have to have the eggs. I think that decision is undervalued, huh. I think, like the one who comes in, Fabián, I think there will be little talk about the guts it took to bench Pedri, because he has driven Pedri crazy in a good way. He starts as an attacking midfielder. All of Spain, all of Spain criticizing that Pedri can't be an attacking midfielder. Luis de la Fuente has the little ego to say, "Damn, maybe I was wrong. I'm European champion, but I was wrong. Pedri plays in midfield." He moves him to midfield. We all applaud. Okay, now yes. Even so, Pedri isn't working, but the next decision to bench Pedri seems like something very few people would have done. Honestly, I wouldn't do it even if I were dead. You bench Pedri and you're done against Belgium, forget it. You won't appear again. And it worked out for you because Fabián has had two incredible matches, and even Pedri from the bench in the final contributed a lot. It was Pedri's best match of the World Cup. No, no, I was saying it yesterday on Spanish Television, huh? And I'm a critical person, very critical of Luis de la Fuente, but even on the technical-tactical aspect, right? I have been critical because I said he didn't have the resume to get where he has gotten. I said, "He got here because of his friendship with Luis de la Fuente, I mean with Rubiales, because of sucking up to Rubiales and because he was a very comfortable guy for Rubiales, because he could manage him at his whim, now select this one, now select that one, now I don't know what, now do this, now do that, now come to the assembly, now applaud, which is where I've criticized him the most and outside of the technical aspect, but then, apart from the match against Scotland, which we all gave him, I mean, because it was the worst match of Luis de la Fuente's era. To argue with Luis de la Fuente is for idiots, I mean, it's for idiots, I mean, I will continue to censure him for what he did in the assembly, but it's true that as many people say, you have to forget about that, okay, he did it wrong, he made a mistake, and I think we have to turn the page now, because, well, because that's already a topic that is very much overcome. But I was saying it yesterday on Spanish Television, I, who have been very critical on a personal level of Luis de la Fuente and who said he didn't have the resume, I think the great architect, if we have to look for the main culprit of our world title is Luis de la Fuente. I mean, because if it had been Luis Yamal, if he had appeared, I mean, the Yamal Guyan Cadete from Madrid, he has a look like La Minja Mal, if he had appeared in all the matches, right? I said, to be champions, we need our Messi, who is La Minja Mal, to appear and Pedri, who is our Xavi of the year 2026, to appear. Well, without either of them appearing, who has appeared? Luis de la Fuente making the decisions. And that about Yamal, we have continued to defend it, and even quite advanced in the World Cup, we said, we are very good, we are spectacular, but of course, when France, England, or Argentina arrive here, either the best Yamal appears or we don't win, and we didn't want to fall off the donkey, which in the end was the collectivity. Look, to continue a bit with De la Fuente's decisions, many of us said, when Merino appears and scores against Portugal, in the end people said, "Merino has to be a starter." No, Merino will be my impact player and I will use him in a way that he will be important and fundamental when he comes onto the field. Zubimendi, Zubimendi hasn't played at all in the World Cup. There's a moment when he brings on Rodri and Eric García, the same, and puts him in, and he plays some sensational minutes, absolutely sensational minutes. Also, another thing, the conviction in his ideas, but also not being stubborn when something hasn't worked and saying, "Hey, I have to backtrack," as with Pedri's case or with the first match against Cape Verde. I think there were four changes from the first match to the second. Yes, because it was right-back, it was Ferran on one side, there were several, there were four changes. I remember they compared him to what Scaloni did, right? Scaloni in the first match of Qatar 2022 against Saudi Arabia, when he lost to Saudi Arabia, he made five changes in the second, meaning he didn't flinch. He knew he was facing the opportunity of his life and he made a radical change, it didn't matter what they said out there or maybe it wouldn't have worked out. Well, De la Fuente has done exactly the same. He has done exactly the same, and it has worked out just as well. By the way, that relationship between Scaloni and De la Fuente is tremendous because people know that De la Fuente was Scaloni's professor in 2017 at the Ciudad del Fútbol de Las Rozas in one of the subjects, and then, who would have told them that less than a decade later they would end up facing each other in the World Cup final? And then I want to mention another man who for me, and this is where I slightly disagree with you, Siro, is the main person responsible for the Euros and the World Cup. Our Messi has truly appeared. Rodrigo Hernández Cascante is, for me, the best player in the history of the Spanish national team. Not the best Spanish player, which is another debate, but I think at the national team level, especially what I've seen, having had the luck to see the winning cycles of the Spanish national team, neither Xavi, nor Iniesta, nor Villa, nor Torres were as important in the national team tournaments. MVP of the Euros, MVP of the World Cup. And truly, the semifinal and the final he plays are enough to say, well, look, maybe Mbappé scores more goals, maybe Dembélé dribbles more, maybe Olmo provides more assists, but it's crazy to say that when this guy is good, he's the best player in the world, I mean, with the ball to control a match, this guy when he's good, and he's been good for over a year now, he's the player who can influence an entire match. He's the most decisive, I mean, he's the one who dictates the tempo of a match. Do we want to play fast, do we want to play slow, do we want to have possession, do we want to play short passes, do we want to play long passes? All of that depends on what Rodri's head and feet want. And sometimes we underestimate him because it's intrinsic to the position. It's normal to focus more on the winger, it's normal to focus more on the striker. I think even Rodri himself would admit that. If you look at the stats, he has no goals and no assists, and you say, "Well, but he's the most decisive, as Nacho says." Lamine Yamal said, "I know I'm not Pedri." No, in a cocky way, Lamine said, "I know they demand more from me because I play in this position, and Pedri is the pretty boy, the one everyone wants, etc." Rodri suffers a bit from that underestimation that midfielders have always had, but it's true that Rodri is spectacular, that Rodri plays two matches again where you say, "Well, if you want to give him the Ballon d'Or, you can give it to him." I mean, if you want to value the World Cup as the 2022 World Cup was valued, where Messi was given the Ballon d'Or for the World Cup, the season, well, the City season hasn't been spectacular, it hasn't been a disaster, they've won two cups, the FA Cup and the League Cup in England, and he comes and plays this World Cup. Our Messi has truly appeared, it's just that our Messi, well, he's a guy over 1.90 meters who plays, I'm going to blaspheme, he plays like God in midfield. Yesterday, by the way, during the Spanish national team's celebration, he was very funny. He has that typical touch where he's very funny and the seriousness goes away when he said, "Long live the mother who gave birth to me." Long live the mother who gave birth to him. Long live the King, he was already saying, "Well, I'm going to leave the microphone." A sensational ovation, at least he didn't say the thing about Gibraltar. Hey, I'm saying a lot, but why won't you say it? Look, even though the English, it's just that Rodríguez Morato, I remember, did get a match ban. I mean, he was sanctioned for saying it because Argentina kept it on stop. However, I'm not going to get involved here, I mean, I'm going to get politically involved, Argentinians and Spaniards, we are right, they should return Gibraltar and the Malvinas. And that's a bit of what Pablo was saying, in a year where the Ballon d'Or is not at all clear because there is no player who has won. A player who has won both titles is a giant step. I mean, Rodri, after an injury like the one he had, where everyone said he wouldn't be the same at all, where there was a lot of doubt about Rodri, even on Siro López's channel, there's a guy there, Pablo Espinosa, who said he's not playing that badly at C, they were saying things, I remember later. I remember it later because when the possibility of Madrid signing Rodri came up, I said, "Look, if he comes for free, if he comes for free, I'll sign him." And now I wouldn't pay 30, 40, or 50 million. I wouldn't pay them. A week ago, I already said, I think Pablo was there, I said Florentino, if it's 100, it's 100. Florentino will have called him today. I'm sure Florentino will call him today or tomorrow. Sure. I don't know. Look, I also said when they were talking about 50 or 60, I also said, I mean, let's see, I mean, first of all, forget about that possibility, City isn't going to sell him for 50 or 60 million. No, before, yes, because he has a contract until June 30, 27, so it expires. But this is like Vinicius. This is like Vinicius when you're about to expire, when in six months you can sell him even if he doesn't renew. Of course, it doesn't depend on the offer they receive. You know what I mean, Siro? If they offered you, do you think they would sell him for 100 million for 100 kilos? Well, I would sell him. [ __ ] if I didn't sell him, not for 80, but for three figures, they would sell him. However, listen to me, in that debate we had about Rodri, I told you, I told you, up to 40, remember? I'm talking before the World Cup, I said, I said, up to 40, 50. You didn't reach 50. I mean, the only thing, the only thing I said, but 40 I told you. 40 I told you you could put it on the table. Look, there's something very important here. The player would be crazy about the music, and that's very important. Well, he would love to wear the Real Madrid jersey, and you've already made progress there. Guardiola is no longer at Manchester City, and he has one year left on his contract. All of that plays in Real Madrid's favor. What plays against Real Madrid? The amazing World Cup he's had, if before he could be bought for 50 kilos, let's put it at 55, now I think from 70 or 80 it's impossible. But beware, because Manchester City is a team, especially with Guardiola, that has always let players go, I mean, Guardiola has always allowed any player who wanted to leave, except Bernardo Silva, who he didn't care about in his opinion, he could leave the club. I say Bernardo Silva's case because Guardiola himself admitted it, anyone except Bernardo, who said he wanted to go to Barcelona three years ago and stayed in Manchester. But Manchester City has this policy of not keeping any player who is not happy at the club and who, but Pablo, you, but you know it better, but is it a club thing or is it more of a Guardiola thing? That's what needs to be discovered. That's what needs to be discovered, that City and Guardiola were one, but now City and Guardiola are no longer one. Maresca will continue with that policy, will [ __ ] Caldunal Mubar here, maintain that policy that Pep Guardiola somewhat implemented because he did and undid. My feeling is that if Manchester City has already signed Elliot Anderson, which is a reality, and they are looking at Buadi, I think City will sell Rodri for 60 kilos, because even though we think City doesn't need to sell, City plays by different rules in terms of not having to ask anyone for a loan, but it plays by UEFA's rules, just like Real Madrid. The financial Fair Play of the Premier League is much more lenient than that of La Liga, thank God for me. But UEFA's FFP is the same for everyone, and getting rid of Rodri's salary, earning 60 kilos for a player who has been amortized and who you know will leave for free next year. Another thing is that Rodri is saying that he might renew, then the board changes. But I think Rodri won't renew, he wants to leave because Rodri wants to live in Madrid, it's his city and he knows he has the opportunity to play for Real Madrid. I think he has already rejected several renewal offers. What is certain is that he hasn't answered them. That is, the offer exists and the offer has gone unanswered for months, that is certain. Rodri is crazy about going to Madrid, and Madrid and Florentino took a step back in the signing of Rodri a few months ago, and now with the World Cup, Florentino is crazy about signing him too. So, if there is a player who is crazy about going to a club and a president who is crazy about signing him. Yesterday, Látigo told us, who has good contacts within Madrid, that Rodri is, and it's true because when I still had fluid communication with the president, I always said that Rodri is a player he likes a lot, that I would have signed him from Atlético de Madrid before he went to City. The thing is that it's unfeasible for a player to go directly from Atlético de Madrid to Real Madrid. And then the president told us, he still thinks about Rodri, he still likes Rodri. The thing is that there are people inside who have held him back, let's see if he gets injured, he's coming from a very important injury, look at the experience, but you say, it's been 21 months, it's been that long, if he has a chance of getting injured, well, like anyone else who hasn't had any injuries, he could get injured. We can call him the one from the, that someone can call him the one from the report, because you know, a couple of months ago, an internal report was made about Rodri's condition, and I think the reason the operation isn't going ahead is because they think, or because that report says there's a significant risk of relapse. But seen, of course, what we're saying, seen especially, but beyond the months that have passed, seen the World Cup Rodri has had, he's played every match for 90 minutes except one where he played 87, and in another he played 99, meaning he's played over 700 minutes, playing whatever he wanted. I think it's been shown that physically, I mean, he's played in a month, a little over a month, eight matches. Madrid plays about six matches a month, more or less, right? Six, seven matches a month. Hey, he doesn't need to play all eight. If you take Rodri and play him in five complete matches a month or six matches, I don't care, and let him rest two, then you have him. If you don't want to burn him out and if you want to play him eight, maybe he can play eight one month and a little less the next. But I mean, I think the physical issue, we can discard that. If he gets injured, well, that's football, it can happen to anyone. And then it fits into something else, Pablo, forgive me. Madrid is going in a line of players who put on the jersey and perform immediately. All the signings Real Madrid has made this summer are in this line, and it's the policy Real Madrid is adopting because it needs a title now. And it's the policy José Mourinho wants, because José Mourinho also likes seasoned players. Do you think José Mourinho, watching the semifinal match, when he posted the photo in Valdebebas, watching the France match, wasn't looking at his coaching staff saying, "Bring me this guy now!" Why isn't he training at Valdebebas tomorrow? Of course, because mine is playing for the other team, which is Tchouaméni. The issue of ages and injuries is something that tires me out a lot in the transfer market lately, especially for Real Madrid. Yes, I think signing young players is fine. I understand that from an accounting perspective it works very well, I understand that they revalue later, I understand many things, but damn it, football is played today, not in two years. To give a very exaggerated example, Buadi, who has impressed a lot in the World Cup, who may have a lot of future, yes, but you need to win a title in the 26-27 season, and to win a title in the 26-27 season, Rodri brings you much closer to the title than Buadi, or Elioterson, or any young player you can throw at us. The issue is, I don't really know why, or I do know the reasons, but I don't know why all the boards in the world, because it's not just Madrid, especially in the Premier League, Chelsea has seen it a lot, have given so much weight to signing young players, and it seems that a player who is 28, 29 years old can no longer be on the market. I mean, to give a somewhat simplistic example, the Colombian right-back, who played very well in the World Cup, named Daniel Muñoz, from Crystal Palace, I've been thinking for 2 years that if this guy's ID said he was born in 2000 instead of 1996, he would already be playing for Manchester United. But why are we so insistent that a 30-year-old player can't perform? Why are we so insistent that you have to sign players thinking about the next 5 years? You sign Rodri, he gives you two seasons, he wins you two leagues, you advance in the, no, I'm not even asking for a Champions League, you win the two leagues, you compete in the Copa del Rey, you win a Copa del Rey, you compete well in the Champions League, and Rodri does it well. What does it matter if you've amortized him? I always remember, I mean, Van Nistelrooy, Van Nistelrooy came to Real Madrid older than the flu, played two seasons, scored 100 goals, and then goodbye. Lewandowski, the same thing happens with Barça, these are players who don't think they won't perform, they don't think they won't perform, but they think their team can no longer move, that how am I going to sign someone who won't give me 10 more years at 28, 30 years old, but maybe he'll give you five spectacular ones, I mean, that's the thing. Someone here says, to put a little water in the wine, Nando says, he has one year left on his contract and is 30 years old. Are you really saying Florentino is going to pay 100 million? No, no, no, we said 50. I think Madrid already, but City will ask, they won't ask you for 50. I think, jokes aside, I think so. I think.

To Manchester City, let's see, he has one year left on his contract, so they really have to sign him, listen to me. City, Pablo, if City sells him to Madrid for 50, 60, or 70 million, that's one thing for Madrid, but why not to Madrid? Because if Liverpool comes, City won't sell Rodri for 50k. Look, it's one thing for City to ask for 100 million, which surely after the World Cup Rodri had, they'll set that as his asking price. And it's another thing for that to be the final amount of the operation, right? Especially because Maresca is Maresca. Look, you also have to consider that Maresca is from the ideas of. Of course, if Guardiola were here, I wouldn't have any doubts. Guardiola doesn't want any player who has doubts about staying. That's the doubt. Of course, but but take into account the player's will. I mean, what you said earlier, Pablo, about what the new Manchester City without Guardiola wants, is very important. If they continue with this approach of "I don't force any player who doesn't want to be here to stay here," Rodri, you've given us absolutely everything. You want to go live in your hometown, you want to go to Real Madrid, we'll try to make things easier for you. We won't sell you for 60, nor will it be for 100, even though that's what we'll ask for. Come on, if you bring us 80k, I'll let you go. So, I think that would be the realistic scenario, that they're asking for 100k. If City knocks on the door, I'm sure you'll have to give them 100k to get him, considering the player's will. I don't think so. And that you did it for Hazard, huh? That you did it for Hazard and he got injured, thinking he wouldn't get injured. And I, the signing of Hazard, which is the worst in Real Madrid's history and one of the worst in football history, I would do it again every day of my life. I mean, it's another thing that it turns out badly, but Eden Hazard had to be signed. Whatever it cost that year, then it turns out badly, but he has one year left on his contract. It turns out badly because he got injured after two months when he was starting to get into the rhythm of the team, and from then on, that injury killed him. What can't happen, and this isn't a criticism, Enric, is that Madrid can have the ease to put 60 million for a player like Enric and not reach 80 for a player like Rodri. Be careful, we're not going to have breakfast, huh? We've come for breakfast. We're here with over 3000 people. I, who am very particular. Instead of coffee with milk, a little orange juice would be great, very American style. A Hollywood orange breakfast. The juice of tenes and the breakfast of champions starts with orange juice and all its vitamins. Of course. Of course, I'll have a little orange juice. This coffee for some listener who's watching us now, come on over. Come on over. Of course, I'm saying, we're over 3000, but how many are watching us? Of course, our program is very global, and we are world champions, and what Pablo says, that some people, even if they don't come today, the important thing is that they should know that there are spectacular breakfasts here at Foster Hollywood, an American breakfast inspired by the traditional breakfast from there, from cities. For example, looking at the menu, there's a hint of tourists, so the gentleman who just stepped aside for a moment looks like he just arrived from New York, just landed, saying, "I'm missing the huevos rancheros, I'm going to have breakfast at the closest place." Although I think ex fried sandwich sandwich. Although we had some pancakes there that I think are absolutely crazy and I want to try them. I have a doubt. Why do you have to come here to have breakfast? Because no, no, but also you can't find pancakes in supermarkets and all that. You can't find them. Besides, it's a breakfast, it's a breakfast that in the summer, young people, etc., the nights get longer, you wake up late and you say, "Breakfast, what do I do?" The American. The American. The American that has. Well, there you have breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Wait, I'm going to look at what it has. Let's see, look. A complete dish to start the day with energy. Ideal for those who aren't content with just a coffee. Of course, there you have it to replenish. Of course, we've come from celebrating, but you need to soak up well what's called the American breakfast. Eggs, sandwich, salad, I don't know what, fruit. Well, everything. Well, well, well, well. Ah, there are the pancakes. They've heard us in the kitchen. Ah, please. Now, of course, and now that you're talking, it's going to be difficult, huh? But look at the pancake. Can you see it well? Can you see it well? Now it will fall like what happened with Paco Rabadá when he showed the computer. This is sensational. And that's the one that comes with the eggs. Look at it. The bacon, the little salads. This is the American. This is the best. You arrive and say, "Give me the best," and rest assured, they'll give it to you. The López menu. Look at this. Well, vano. Hey, it's true. They could make the American. What a spectacle. I mean, the pancakes, I think this is perfection. How they present it. Well, this will have to be shared because, of course, one person alone can't eat this. Of course, it shines more than the World Cup. But hey, I would appreciate a little orange juice. He's insisted on it. Now they'll bring you your juice, right? The orange juice, the most fruity area is California. I mean, it's coming from Los Angeles, it's coming on the plane. It's coming on the plane. Well, so we were talking about how Cascarujo told me, "Bernardo and Rodri, you're going to take them from City in the same summer." Ole. Well, it must be said that Bernardo Silva isn't being taken, I mean, Bernardo decided that the club wouldn't renew him, or I don't know if he asked to say, well, I'm not going to. City already knew perfectly well that Bernardo Silva's contract was ending, and even more so coinciding with the departure of the other issue that I discussed yesterday and Sunday. If there was any doubt, I no longer have it. Is it compatible with his amen? Let's see, let's see. Look, look at the amol, look, look what it has. But what barbarity, please. Thank you very much. Can you put it in a container? The little orange juice. Look, and they haven't brought you one, they've brought you two. Okay, so that's clear. This is the All American, okay? And the All American, I see it has sausages. Two sausages. Two sausages or eggs. Yes, exactly. Here's the bread. Toasted bread, right? Toasted bread, bacon, bacon, bacon, mushrooms, tomato, grilled, baby food, and potatoes, baby food. And then, and then this is a little bit. Exactly. Little meat. It's not just any bread, huh? It's brioche bread. Look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look. What a marvel, huh? Ah, and the bread is brioche bread. That's delicious. What better way to celebrate the championship? The world champions' title. The breakfast of champions, Siro. The breakfast of champions. Listen, you've made my mouth water. Original pancakes, which are the ones with strawberries, blueberries, and butter. And butter. And these ones I have here are the loaded pancakes, which are with special syrup, with grilled eggs, with crispy bacon, and with fresh blueberries. Incredible. It's incredible. Incredible. And this can be enjoyed at Foster Hollywood since February. I mean, they've made these are the new breakfasts. Yes. And it's available every day until 12:30, huh? So you have plenty of time, that's why it's breakfast, huh? It's bref and branch. I mean, this is enough for me as a meal. You skip it. I'm not eating today. No, no, that's clear. Let's go, let's go. Of course. Well, so about what I wanted to propose, we were talking about, I mean, starting. Not many people say Pablo, and you, who follow the Premier League regularly. By the way, what's your Twitch and YouTube channel called? El Boro. El Boro on YouTube and on Twitch, we are El Boro. Okay, El Boro. We are El Boro. I'll take this opportunity to say that people should subscribe to Nacho Peña, official channel. Of course, my YouTube channel. Jaime, do you have anything to promote? Jaime Herrero on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, Twitter, everywhere. It's important that it's not Nacho Peña unofficial channel, official. Only follow me through my official channels. Nachito TV also everywhere. Okay. I was saying that another issue that arises once Chuamení is renewed is whether they are compatible and Rodri. And I say that whoever says they are not compatible has no idea about football. I mean, I mean, and if not, I'll show them the final match and they'll see how Rodri played, what he did on the field. It's what we've been saying for a long time. Rodri isn't just a player who shone in the World Cup and you say, "Well, let's sign him because he's a great player." He's also a profile of player that Real Madrid needs, which is what we've been saying for three years, you know, "Hey, we need a player with these characteristics," but they present him as if he were a defensive midfielder, a Chuamení, as if he were a Casemiro, nothing like it, it's not like that. Mo plays with, or rather, he has played with a double pivot many times in his career. That is, you can put Chuamení to do the ball recovery work, to impose the physical aspect, he gives the ball to Rodri, and Rodri at that moment accelerates the game, slows it down, plays long, plays short, whatever the rhythm of the match requires at that moment, which he has clearly demonstrated, and once again, that he can manage it at his whim, right? So, complementary players, Siro, they are. Shall we continue, shall we continue? Which one is this? Sorry. This one, the egg and sandwich. The eggs. Okay, okay, okay, okay. The eggs. Hey, sensational too. And another juice. And some fries, huh? This is non-stop. No, no, this is scandalous, right? And simply the breakfast of champions. We warned you. Foster Hollywood. I'm at 57, we're here, a little bit of water to wine, but regarding compatibility with Chuamení, I think they are compatible, but I think Chuamení will have a problem, because if you play with Rodri, you can skip Chuamení, they can play together perfectly because you can load Chuamení more with the physical part, the muscle, and ball recovery, but Rodri also gives you that, and in the vast majority of matches, Chuamení will be superfluous. So, I don't understand why Madrid renewed Chuamení, and I didn't understand it even before Rodri arrived. And I know I'm very persistent about Chuamení, and he's far from being one of Real Madrid's problems, he's a good player. But if you sign Rodri, Chuamení, you can skip him. They are compatible. But you keep comparing him to me, Pablo. They're not the same. No, but you can skip him because you're telling me one for the other, but in the worst case, I'd need two guys per position. I can accept that you keep Chuamení as a player who is clearly from 2000, younger, can be Rodri's substitute, can also get a lot of minutes with Rodri, can replace Rodri and provide some rotation. I can accept that, but the issue of compatibility, in this case, the one who has more to lose is Chuamení. Rodri and Chuamení can play together. Without a doubt. I think Madrid will feel in many matches, [ __ ] if at minute 60 I take out Chuamení and invent something and put in Bernardo Silva, we play more freely, we have more circulation speed, and we can attack more, which is what Manchester City has experienced all these years or what the Spanish national team has experienced, which has been able to play with Rodri, with Fabián Ruiz, and then with Dani Olmo as an attacking midfielder. But anyway, what I'm getting at is that will be the Frenchman's problem. I mean, the one who will be a bit exposed in that sense or who will be more on the bench is Chuamení. We can't blame Rodri for that because if Chuamení isn't compatible with him. Well, then Chuamení should apply himself in the way he can or adapt to the position he has to adopt. But I insist, I really think they can play, I mean, I agree with you, I think they are compatible, they are compatible, and there will be matches where it's necessary for both to play together or that they can play together, and there will be matches where Chuamení will be a reserve or will be rested, and matches where Rodri will also be interested in being rested for other types of encounters. That is, that's what Alonso tried, and I think even Ancelotti wanted Valverde to play with Chuamení and Valverde at the beginning of Alonso's era. Obviously, Valverde can't do that role, that role of Rodri, which would be ideal if Rodri, in addition to those 10, 15, 20-meter passes that we saw him make the other day, or 10-meter passes, could make the 30-meter passes that Toni Kroos used to make. Okay, perfect. Yes, you don't have that, but maybe you don't need it, right? Chuamení, who has been an indispensable player in the last two years, now with Rodri becomes more dispensable. What Pablo said, it's true that they are two players who can perfectly play together and who, hey, maybe they make each other better, and that allows one to rest, another to rest, because as we said, Rodri, maybe he can play 60 games. Something happens here. Chuamení is not a player who manages the tempo of a match. Chuamení is not a player who picks up the ball and sees a pass between two or three opponents and makes it tense, strong, and very direct. No, he's not that type of player, it's something else. That's why we say they can complement each other, but certainly one doesn't replace the other. And I think we should learn our lesson. I think Real Madrid's bet at the time, thinking not only about young players, which worked out really well for them, because it worked with the first ones like Valverde, Camavinga, Rodrygo, Vinicius, it's clear that that bet has paid off perfectly. They've won two Champions Leagues with that policy, but then they took it a step further, and Madrid thought that football would pass almost exclusively through the physical aspect, and that's when they bet on that midfield with Chuamení, with Valverde, with Camavinga. And then you realize that once Kroos and Modric have left, if you don't put a bit of criteria and a bit of that important part of gray matter, of positional understanding of the game, you're going to have a really difficult time. And I think a large part of Real Madrid's problems, look, we've seen the mirror with the French national team in this World Cup. The French national team is Real Madrid, they are two great teams, they are formidable teams. You look at the players they have in attack, and it directly makes your pants drop, and everyone considers them favorites because if they have time or space to run, they'll destroy you. But if you set up and pose problems for them, with a midfield that doesn't quite link the attack and defense well, that's where that team gets into trouble. And I think we should learn our lesson because Madrid has been in this situation for 2 years. So with Bernardo, you mitigate it a bit because Bernardo can get a bit closer to the base and Chuamení can give him the ball and maybe he'll start thinking there, you've half mitigated it. But if you bring in Rodri, who not only gives you the ball and he can think like Bernardo to distribute it, but you also have a guy who dictates the tempo of a match. You already have him. For me, if you sign Rodri, Real Madrid's squad is absolutely complete. You don't need anything else. Then you might like a center-back more, you might want to replace Asensio with someone else, whatever you want, or you'd love to have another one. These are possible compositions, but a different player you need is Rodri. And as you said, the example with France is perfect. We've seen France, they are a super formidable team, the players they have up front are incredible, anyone can mess you up if they're having a good day, but they don't have that connection from midfield to attack, and that's what happens to Real Madrid. So, you need a player who can change a game, who can accelerate it, who can slow it down, who can filter passes forward, and who also knows how to defend. And Rodri is the perfect player for Real Madrid right now. No, that's clear, huh? But I insist, if Madrid signs Rodri, all of this remains to be seen, it's a hypothetical, obviously. For my understanding of football and to maximize Rodri's strengths, I believe that in the vast majority of matches, Madrid should play with Rodri alone in midfield, with a partner who could be Bernardo Silva, because they know each other perfectly in those two pivots or not. And since your attacking midfielder will be Bellingham, you know you won't have an attacking midfielder who will exploit Rodri's strengths. Because one thing I really like about Rodri is how players like Dani Olmo and Phil Foden are 10 times better when the Spaniard is behind them. Why? Because Rodri has two things. Primarily, he positions himself 70 meters from your area, allowing you to constantly play in the opponent's third, and he dares to make brave passes, which those players usually ask for when they get between the defensive line and the midfield line. Bellingham isn't that. Bellingham is something else, and you don't have to change Bellingham. Bellingham, I'm already a convert to the YouTube Bellingham after this World Cup. Bellingham should be understood almost as a second striker. That's the reality. He can't start from that position, but what you're going to ask of Bellingham already has to be a goal quota, because that's what he's shown to be truly elite. What happens? He won't be that attacking midfielder who will turn the team around and position himself between the two defensive lines. Here, I think, for example, a player like Arda Güler can take a step forward. I'm not asking for Arda Güler to be a starter from now on, but I do think we can see a significantly improved version of the Turk, with Rodri, or the same could be said for Masantuono, although Masantono is currently much further from Arda Güler's level. Look, they already tried with Bellingham last season, trying to lower him a bit to the base, it's clear that doesn't work, and especially because he doesn't find the best version of Jude Bellingham either, meaning, the one that most resembles Bellingham from his first season at Real Madrid, has been this one. Why? Because he was away from the base and appeared much closer to the goal-scoring positions, as a second striker, appearing there in a more undetectable way and then with that capacity to. Well, I would tell you that Bellingham scored seven goals in the World Cup, they're not the same. I think he scored in the entire season with Real Madrid. One more, one more. He scored six goals in the league. Well, add one, that's clear. And regarding what you said about the Turk, Güler, there's one thing to take advantage of, and I think Mourinho, that Mourinho will do it, is the connection. The player who probably understands Mbappé best at Real Madrid is called Güler, who this year has provided him with the most assists by far. So, I think that connection José Mourinho also has to take advantage of it, although I think it will be very difficult for the Turk to be a starter. Especially if Rodri comes, even more so, but it will be very difficult. But if Rodri comes, I think it can benefit him. Even if you say, "Damn, here comes a guy who will take minutes away from you." Arda Güler's best version will come with a guy who allows him to play in the final third and who allows him to make those passes that require bravery, that tense pass that Dani Olmo asks for, that Phil Foden asks for in his best moments, that the classic attacking midfielder of all time asks for, which Bellingham isn't, which Bellingham isn't, and above all, Madrid shouldn't try to make him Bellingham, which is a bit of the nature of Wer too, which is in Turkey. We've seen him there, we've seen him as an attacking midfielder, in the base at Madrid he's had games where he's been good, he's even played on the right, but as an attacking midfielder and with a player like Rodri behind him who can give him the balls that an attacking midfielder like Güler demands, and on top of that with a coach like Mourinho, who I think likes Güler a lot, we could see a great season from the Turk from A. Me, Nacho, hey, how am I doing, Nacho, hey? Let's avoid someone coming to help us with this, huh? One thing, my goodness, Foster Hollywood, the breakfast of champions, you've outdone yourselves, huh? Or you won't charge for this collaboration, will you? Honestly, the breakfast, no, this one doesn't count, no. I mean, of course, because, wow, they've brought us to the best place in Madrid for breakfast. I'll tell you something, Foster Hollywood delivers on its promise. They promised us a breakfast of champions, and we're having a breakfast of champions. They haven't just met expectations, they've exceeded them. Correct. Incredible. Watch out for this, it might be the best thing, huh? The Egg and Sandwich. Cut it there, cut that in half when you can. No, relax, relax, enjoy. Relax, it wasn't going to. I was going to savor it. Let him enjoy. It seemed like it at first. He's breaking his mouth. We can zoom in on Pablo's face enjoying it and we'll all shut up, so only Pablo enjoying the food is seen in the live stream. How delicious, how delicious, honestly. I didn't eat last night either, so you know, what scares me is, I say, we're taking too long to sign Rodri because Barça is making the injured player, man. Barça, three years ago, tried to get rid of him. And I hope they don't play a trick on us. I hope they don't play a trick on us. Please, I beg you, please, I beg you not to mention, not to mention the bich. If that happens, if that happens, and I know many people will call it exaggerated, many people in Madrid will start shouting at Florentino again after what, after we don't sign Joan, which was a [ __ ] because I don't care if we have Courtois, but if you sign Joan García, if you don't incorporate him into the first team, let him stay at Espanyol or go on loan to the Premier League like he did at the time, Revers, Ctuagino to Atlético de Madrid. Whatever you want, but how many years does Tibú have left before his performance declines? I think three years, yes, because also with the number of injuries, they are recurrent. You sign a guy for the future, huh, you sign a guy, a guy for the future, but you also take him away from Barça, which cannot happen. Siro, I can't understand the Joan thing. Signing a promising goalkeeper is weird, but Madrid has also done things the other way around sometimes, huh, with players who were rumored. Well, Arda Güler, Arda Güler was rumored for Barça, they had talked about Barça, and he ended up signing for Madrid. I'll tell you something, if there's any doubt at Madrid about the money that would have to be invested, or if the medical report saying that Gojo won't be able to recover is true, if at any point it's sensed that Barça might get involved in this operation, I think it could be the definitive trigger for Real Madrid to go all out. And if that doesn't happen and the opposite happens, it would be absolutely regrettable. One of the biggest embarrassments, a player who has been rumored for 3-4 years, who you've had right there, and suddenly Barça has to, to sign him quickly. Watch out, exclusive information, right? But they can't afford it because Madrid is in a complicated market position, in my opinion. I mean, the market started very well. We were also entertained by the national teams, etc., whether it was Haaland, whether it was Rodri, whether it was suddenly Cucurella, whether it was the mysterious signing, whether it was the Julian offer, all those trifles that happened intensely, very intensely, it was fun, but then Spain started playing, days have passed, we've started talking about the World Cup, [ __ ] how good these Swiss are, [ __ ] what about Cape Verde, Bosnia, and we've reached July 22nd, I think it is, or 21st, and Madrid's market is Cucurella, who for me is the second-best left-back in the world. Perfect, without a doubt. Conate, who is coming from a terrible season in the world, was fourth, and because he didn't have anyone else, and with me, with AT, it seems like an operation that, hey, being Madrid with what you have in central defenders and being free, you have to undertake. It's not a regrettable operation, but Conate is coming from a horrible season at Liverpool, which I always do at the end of each season, the typical video of the worst 11 in the Premier League, with Atesado in it. He was close to being in it. I'll also say, he was in the best 11 of the Premier League two years ago. Then you have Danfri, who is fine, but with Danfri, well, we're not all going to go to the Bernabéu to praise the signing, right? But I liked seeing the World Cup, I like it a lot, it's good, but they're not galacticos, but with a whip. The only player you've signed who you say is a star is Cucurella. And Bernardo, well, also for the last services, so to speak, because it's true that he's reaching the end of his career, but watch out for the player you've signed. Bernardo is a very good signing from my point of view, but Madrid hasn't won anything for two years. Madrid isn't coming off winning the league, or it's not that two years ago, of all the signings they made last year, none went to the World Cup. Of course, I mean, in the end, none of those players ended up. But realize that's why the signing policy has been radically opposed. We've gone from young players for future projects, you know, Housen and company, careers and careers, to guys who put on the shirt and theoretically have to work now. Danfri, even if he's old, Conate, even if he's old, because he's proven it extensively, and Bernardo, well, but the market can't end, I mean, it's not a market that comes from Rodri, that if the market ends like this, you don't need much more, huh? No, no, with that you leave it practically perfect. Maybe an attacking player or thinking about what you do because, of course, someone would have to leave. Hendrick wants to stay, doesn't want to stay. Gonzalo will finally leave. I don't think he'll finally leave. I think he likes having a reference striker, Mourinho, but I don't know. The priority, the primary thing is a guy in the midfield position, and that guy is Rodri, it's just that all the debates lead us to the same thing. They are one signing away from the market being practically perfect or being weak, and people will say, "Damn, how unfair." Well, but that's how life works too. You're one signing away from signing someone from Alcorcon, you're one guy away from someone who we started the live stream saying might win his second Ballon d'Or. So, obviously, if you sign the MVP of the World Cup, that elevates the market, and a market that is a C-level becomes an outstanding market. The issue is understanding the contexts. Real Madrid is obligated to have a very aggressive market, and it started as a very aggressive market. They fed us the pantomime of the Julian Alvarez thing, but that's where it ended. There are days left, you might get an Olise, you might get a Rodri, but no, it should be an obligation that one of the two arrives. Madrid needs a bang because otherwise, they won't be able to face a third year without winning anything. And that would have to be traced back, how long has that not happened? I think since I was born, I've never seen it. I saw the two blank years from 8 to 10, and then what happened when the galacticos finally, that was 3, 2006, were two periods of 2 years. Yes, but not 3 years. Yes. So it was when Beckham arrived that he spent a couple of years in between without winning. He arrived with a Super Cup and left with a league in between. There are two blank seasons. Then the two blank seasons between 8 and 10. And now these two blank seasons, every 15 years or so, that has happened at Real Madrid. And they've always tried to find a reaction. Well, in fact, the last time there were two blank years, which we're recalling was between 8 and 10, who arrived to solve it? José Mourinho. How was it solved? With the famous Copa del Rey against Fútbol Club Barcelona, and the following year with the 100-point league. So, the contexts are really similar. Yes, it would be worth seeing, look, yes, from 2003-2004, 2004-2005, 2005-2006, you win the Spanish Super Cup, which is the and you lose the Copa del Rey final against Deport. That's the only precedent. We're talking about a precedent that led to Florentino Pérez leaving Real Madrid. So, in case Madrid is heading for that, let's know what happened, which was the end of the galacticos era, the disaster, and Florentino Pérez out of Real Madrid. I don't want to go back to that tune because we're just coming off elections where the members voted for Florentino, and they voted well because that's what they chose, but the market has to be much more, I mean, the market, you can't, I mean, you can't think that you've already solved Real Madrid's problems because we could talk again about what's happening on the left wing, what will happen with Vinicius, whether you'll renew him or not, whether you'll lose him or not, on the right wing, you're playing again without a player who feels comfortable there, or will Enric play, will C Valverde play, which is a good market, but if we also want to be negative, there are many criticisms that there are still things to solve. I'll tell you something, Villarroya, I'm going to talk to him today. Well, last week he told me that he still wouldn't sign Rodri either, huh? That he wouldn't sign him, right? There are also people who find that striking, but he told you that last week without having seen the semifinals. Seeing, I think, seeing the semifinals, after the semifinal and the final, few people, I think, will not be convinced. It strikes me, although, well, Villarroya is quite bitter, huh? I mean, he's very bitter. I don't see him in political debates anymore. Where is he? What's wrong with him? No, maybe he's resting, right? A little rest. Of course, Madrid doesn't give you that rest. Now he'll come back with everything. Now the great Villarro will come back with everything. I don't know. I honestly tell you, guys. I think, especially if you gauge the sentiment of the Madridistas, we're all in WhatsApp groups with Madridistas. Our friends are members of Real Madrid. People ask you because they know you're a sports journalist and you cover Real Madrid information. The sentiment is impossible that if it influences us so much, what Madridistas feel and think, it's impossible that it doesn't reach the Real Madrid board, or Florentino Pérez, or José Mourinho. who has seen the World Cup, especially since it's a very straightforward signing because, okay, you say an outsider might appear, I don't know, a Villarroya of the moment who says no, but I'd tell you that eight out of ten people, and I think I might be underestimating, will tell you to sign Rodri tomorrow, with the components he also has of being a guy who is from Madrid, a guy who wants to wear the Real Madrid shirt, who, damn it, meets Florentino's criteria, he's always liked to sign the best of the best, and this guy is a Ballon d'Or winner. Well, it was always said that Florentino always liked to wait to be one of the last signings, to wait to see what happens in major events, especially in the World Cup. Let's remember, he signed James, because he was the star of that World Cup that summer, he signed James, Özil, God, sorry, James, Khedira, and Kroos, the summer of '14 after the World Cup, and in '10 he got Özil, the great revelation of Germany 2010, and in '18, Courtois. Yes, '18 because it wasn't necessary, huh, but he signed him after, Belgium came third, if I'm not mistaken. Also, I think there are two readings of this World Cup in the context of Real Madrid. The first reading, and it would be the wrong one, is to say, well, we are the best in the world. Look at Vinicius with Brazil, look at Mbappé with France, look at Bellingham with England. The other reading is to see that what has triumphed in this World Cup is the opposite of what Real Madrid has, and to see that the team that most resembles Real Madrid, both in terms of stars, playing system, and idiosyncrasy, which is France, reached the semifinals and went home. What happens to Real Madrid? They get that far. But, but of course, but for Madrid, for France, that's not enough because for France, beating Sweden in the round of 16 is, with all due respect, like for Madrid, it's like beating Espanyol at the Bernabéu. It's a match you have to win, huh? They won't measure you by beating Sweden in the round of 16, they won't measure you by beating Depor at Riazor or at. Of course, they won't measure you by what you do against Barça, what you do against Atlético Madrid, and what you do in the Champions League, and that, taken to the World Cup, is the semifinals. And I think sticking to the message that Mbappé did very well, Vinicius did very well, and Bellingham did very well is dangerous because they did very well in contexts that benefit them. And this is not a criticism of Mbappé individually or Bellingham individually. It's a criticism that collectively you've been making the same mistake for 2 years, which you can't make next year. It's not just that it's not good news, it's bad news that the players who haven't been shining, far from it, who have been far from their best level during the season, have had a spectacular World Cup. The three stars have had a World Cup at a level we haven't seen anywhere near during the season. So, it's not a problem with them individually, that they've been dragging themselves through the season, which might also be the case at times, but rather, as Pablo said, in their national team contexts is when they feel most comfortable and when they shine the most, because at Real Madrid, with the style of

The game, with everything they've had this year, they haven't been able to shine. Uh, a detail I noticed the other day and I said, it didn't give me a good feeling and so on. Uh, when the match ends, maybe if I had been on the field, I would have been able to appreciate it better. Uh, when the match ends, we spoke before about Bellingham and Mbappé and this, when the match between between Spain and, I mean between France and England ends, I didn't see any scene. where they were close or talking or anything, no scene. It came out on Twitter that I didn't know between between Benzema and, I mean between Mbappé and Bellingham. If you, Nacho, who usually follows, it's just that there have been many rumors, well, many things have been rumored about Vinicius not getting along with Mbappé and it seems that that is totally ruled out, that if Mbappé had had a spat with Bellingham, that if, well, that if Bellingham and Vinicius also didn't get along, it was also published, I mean, it was talked about, and the other day seeing the images, I said, "Well, I'm going to see how they leave, if they exchange shirts, if there's affection from one towards the other and so on." And at no time did I see a single scene. I saw a lot of French and English players who were teammates, even people I didn't know much about why they were there so amicably, because it didn't add up to me that they had played together in some of the Premier League teams, and instead between Bellingham and Mbappé I saw nothing, Nacho, you didn't see it, none of us saw it. Hey, this doesn't mean that maybe within the locker rooms, but did it catch your attention or not? No. Of course, of course it caught our attention, all the social networks. It was one of the comments. Jaime was saying, people noticed it because you expect something else, right? I think, Siro, and no, let's not pretend to be naive, right? What has happened this season? This season, where does Kilian Mbappé's main anger and frustration come from? Apart from the knee that was the second anger, the first anger comes from the dismissal of Xabi Alonso with the season started, they got rid of him, and he considers that that is the spark that set the season on fire, okay? And he considers that Alonso was a very valid coach to achieve success at Madrid and that there had to be patience for everything to advance and give it time to mature. Then we know perfectly well, let's not be surprised either, who are the three footballers who had the main problems. Vinicius, public and notorious, Fede Valverde, public and notorious, because he took it upon himself to verbalize it, the other to act it out and Valverde to verbalize it on different occasions, and then a Bellingham who was also so uncomfortable, without being so notorious, but the information or what reached us pointed to his father, his mother, the Holy Spirit, pointing in that direction. So when these three totems have had an important burden, not all of it, not the definitive one, they didn't press the nuclear explosion button, but they have had an important fault in everything leading to the precipitate departure of Xabi Alonso, and we know evidently that it's something that hasn't made Kilian Mbappé feel comfortable, so connecting the dots and understanding why Kilian Mbappé might be annoyed or not feel like being all friendly and hugging if we start to overthink, we can all reach the same conclusion. This doesn't mean they hate each other, it doesn't mean they hate each other, well, that's their job, they are teammates, they might not be friends, but then on the field, perfectly, that's it. Yes, but what I mean is that Mourinho has more fires to put out than I thought in that sense, you know? No, but he knows it, he knows it perfectly and he's the man to put them out. He's the best firefighter. Let's remember how Real Madrid's season ended, which ended with a rift between Tchouaméni and Fede Valverde, and among other things, José Mourinho is coming to bring order to this aspect. But we were clear about that, for example, one of the first things Mourinho has to do is sit down Tchouaméni and Valverde face to face. Very positive, and iron out the issues, whatever we want, but I think we are aware that one of the first things Mourinho will do is sit them down one in front of the other, with him in the middle. Okay, but I didn't count on him also having to sit down with Mbappé and Bellingham, and I don't know if he'll have to sit down with Vinicius and Bellingham and Mbappé, and the three of them at once, to tell them, "Hey, my man, and where my team will turn is Mbappé or Vinicius." I think it will be Mbappé because I think Mbappé is the Cristiano Ronaldo, the Cristiano Ronaldo of 2026 for Mourinho. So I think he will try to make the team revolve around Mbappé, but I think it's easier to reconcile Mbappé and Bellingham than Tchouaméni, apart from what the one has done, I mean, the doubt with Mbappé and Bellingham, whether they get along or not. The issue with Tchouaméni and Valverde is that they have fought, something that happens every year or something that doesn't happen every year, but that they have fought is confirmed. So, it seems to me that the issue of Mbappé and Bellingham also goes a lot towards, when things work out at Real Madrid, their relationship will tend to be good, because above all, and this must be understood, even if it hurts, players of the dimension of Bellingham and Mbappé, even before being Real Madrid players, are football superstars, just like Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi were at Barça, right? So, Mbappé is a football superstar who plays for Real Madrid, just like Bellingham, and it works like that, and these superstars want to do well individually and want to win titles, and Mbappé is dying to win a Champions League, and Bellingham is dying to be happy at his club, as he is with England. If the team starts to work, if Mourinho starts to establish the mechanisms for that partnership to work, then look at what Cristiano said, the hugs and the meals aren't that important. That doesn't win titles. If they understand each other on the field, it doesn't matter if they don't talk afterwards. If they understand each other on the field, what does it matter? But you know what happens, if José Mourinho is here, I'm eager for him to have them all together there in front, right? And for him to sit down with them and tell them, "Guys, the jokes are over, we don't have time for any more fooling around. Look at the three great footballers, to focus on Vinicius, Bellingham, and Mbappé, you are together in the same team and you've had two blank years. You must be doing something very wrong. Look each other in the face, try to draw conclusions, right? And they know the conclusions. They know perfectly well that it has been the individual selfishness of each of them. And I'm not taking away from any of them here, because here you have to give Vinicius his share. You have to give Kilian Mbappé his share, even if Mbappé is angry because he's taken care of the coach, because the others, their attitudes, whatever you want. And you, perhaps when you've sulked, you've said, "Now I'm angry and now I won't try anymore because that's been taken care of by so-and-so." So, the problem here is that everyone, in one way or another, has ended up looking out for themselves. Vinicius for himself, Bellingham for himself, Mbappé for himself. That's what has to end. This has to be a team. We're here to talk about the Spanish national team, right? What has it been? It's been a collective team. And here, not a single scare more can be allowed. And I'm worried about the situation because for all this to reign and for Mourinho's job to be easier, the context has to help. And there's a context that worries me, and that's Vinicius's contract renewal. It's just that the context is shit because it's the elephant in the room, you know? It's going to be very complicated because a player like Vini, a rebellious one, let's say, by nature, without renewing his contract in his last season and all that, that certainly won't help calm the waters. I don't want to be a bore, but when I said before that Madrid hasn't solved all its problems in this market, one of the issues is Vinicius Junior, and I think the elections and the World Cup in Spain have been very good for us, because we've forgotten a bit about how Real Madrid's season ended and that in a month and a half, or less, Real Madrid could be losing games again, that many things have to change that haven't changed yet, which is something that has happened quite a bit in the last two years, that Madrid loses games, and at that moment, if Vinicius Junior doesn't start playing or if there are problems again and Vinicius Junior isn't renewed, man, it's a problem. But I'll go even further on a sporting level. Why is Madrid so insistent on keeping Vinicius Junior? I mean, what are the reasons? Well, among other things, and Villarroya explains this well, it's an economic issue. Of course, that's why I say on a sporting level. Of course, on a sporting level, I agree, I mean, I think Madrid can do without Vinicius, but if he then scores 20 goals, well, it doesn't shut me up, I mean, things have to be discussed in July 2026, Vinicius Junior is one of the best attackers in the world. That's very clear, but I see Bellingham playing in England, I see Mbappé playing in France, I see Vinicius playing in Brazil, and I say, shit, there's a problem here. They are different players. It's like things, they are players that you say, "Damn, I'm going to put them together again, I'm going to put the ingredients in the shaker again." And Vinicius isn't going to put a fucking cross for Bellingham, because Vinicius doesn't have to put crosses for Bellingham, because Bellingham gets crosses from an Anthony Gordon, with all due respect to Anthony Gordon, and Bellingham needs those crosses. And then Vinicius and Mbappé, they are players who tend to start from the same areas and who like to do the same play, one entering the box more, the other from the left wing, as you wish, but they are also two footballers who are not very applied in pressing and never have been, because Mbappé, and I don't think they will be, Mbappé against us was the same. Mbappé in the 80th minute, losing 2-0, you'd say, but kid, score one, and I, I love Mbappé and he's the player Real Madrid should bet on, but you say, damn, Mbappé, some pressing there, even if it's for the camera, to disguise it a bit. So I'm afraid in the sense that he has a year left on his contract, in four months he can negotiate with whoever he wants, and above all, on a sporting level, Madrid is losing out on all of this. I mean, wouldn't it make more sense to sign a footballer who would adapt better to the players you have, who doesn't have a contract problem, and above all, that you have to accept that it hasn't worked. It's like we're considering the case that it hasn't worked. No, no, it hasn't worked. It's been two years. With Vinicius, I'm no longer saying he should leave or stay, because everyone will have their opinion. What I think Real Madrid has to do is what Pablo said, solve it now, because you can't have a Vinicius Junior who, in three months, if things start to go badly, if he hasn't signed his contract or the decision isn't clear, will start dragging himself on the field, and that will translate into problems for Real Madrid. So, I think one of Real Madrid's priorities in this market, before signing Rodri, is to clarify the situation with Vinicius. The bad thing here is that it's not easy, it's not easy, but above all because the parties, as far as I know, are not backing down. I mean, Vinicius is, I want to be in the status of a top player, head to head. I don't care about the system, whether it's through image rights or a renewal bonus, but I want to be in the top tier status, the same tier as Kilian Mbappé. And Real Madrid says, "Hey, man, we're not going to give you that money." And as long as neither party gives in, and as far as I know, Real Madrid has been conceding, Real Madrid has been getting a little closer to what Vinicius is asking for, at least getting closer. But Vinicius isn't moving. He's still at a point where he's not. And so, of course, that's not how you negotiate, Siro, you know what I mean? Negotiation is negotiation. If you plant yourself and say, "I'm not moving from here." And then all that's left are good words. All good words. Yes, we both know what we want. The president loves me a lot. Madrid also harbors a feeling that is shit, that's it. We've also given everything for Vini, I mean, we went for him when he was a kid who was a promise. We got ahead of Barça, who were also interested, we promoted him to the fullest, and we did the whole Ballon d'Or thing, and when there were problems, at all levels, the racism issue, they supported him, Florentino sat him to his left in the box, which has never happened to anyone in life. I mean, when a coach didn't finish, the coach was taken care of. That is to say, everything Real Madrid could have done for Vinicius, it has done and shown it publicly and privately. So I think a bit of the feeling that there is in Madrid is, fuck, man, you also give a little more, you know? Beyond the sporting aspect, which you've done very well, you've done very well, but you also give a little, you know? Because whenever we've had to help you, we've helped you. But that's where I'm going. I think Madrid doesn't need Vinicius to back down. I understand that feeling, and that even enters into the personal relationship between Real Madrid and Vinicius Junior, and I'm with you. That, fuck, Vinicius owes a lot to Real Madrid. I don't think so. I don't think so. Vinicius owes more to Real Madrid than Real Madrid owes to Vinicius. That's something I'm completely clear about. The issue is that the team you've put together with Bellingham, Mbappé, and Vinicius isn't working for you. So, you don't need Vinicius to back down. You have to make a decision. If I focus on Vinicius because he's the one whose contract ends next year. Of course, of course. Because it could be that I do create a team, I'll invent it. I can perfectly imagine a functional team with Vinicius on the left, Mbappé up front, on the right, Pepito dos Palotes, and three guys like PSG has at the back. I'll say Rodri, Bernardo Silva. That team works. That team works. It's not an incompatibility between Vinicius and Mbappé because they play with Griezmann and Dembélé, because Mbappé plays with Barcola, because those types of footballers play together, because Mbappé knows how to play with a winger, because Vinicius knows how to play with a striker like Mbappé. What I'm saying is that those two with Jude Bellingham don't fit, they don't fit. And I don't think they ever will fit because the team is unbalanced. You can't burden Bellingham, or you shouldn't burden Bellingham, because he's a player who seems more interesting for Real Madrid's future than Vinicius Junior. The same with Mbappé, and also, fate has put you in the situation where the one whose contract ends next year is Vinicius. So it's not that Vinicius is leaving because he's the problem of the three, it's not that Vinicius is leaving because it makes sense from a market perspective for him to leave. And what do you think, I mean, I agree, but if nobody is coming to you right now with an offer to take him, then all you have left is to let his contract run out, right? That's the new tactic. Man, this, look, it's happened the other way around to Madrid, Kylian Mbappé is the best example. A footballer who finishes his last season and goes to the club of his dreams to collect an absolutely stratospheric signing bonus. His dreams or not his dreams, I don't know, but he goes and collects the super bonus. If the footballer maintains his professionalism, I don't know, Mbappé in his last year at PSG surely scored 50 goals. I think it was his best goal-scoring season. If we have to say, "Well, in the end, you have to stick with, imagine, I have to stick with Vinicius's last season, he won't renew the Champions League final, not because Mbappé is a dictator and because, of course, now the story with Luis Enrique, it leaves him in a very good light, I mean, Luis Enrique has explained a thousand times that he doesn't want to control the game, I mean, the mythical clip of Luis Enrique saying "now I'm going to control all situations," Luis Enrique has already said the opposite, that he doesn't want to control things, but well, that phrase has remained in the collective imagination, and since it's very powerful because it's Mbappé and you've won two Champions Leagues. Let's go. And because the documentary showed him scolding him for, well, not so much scolding, but advising, because it's mentally like that, but I get the feeling that people have forgotten how that PSG of Luis Enrique reached the semi-finals, that they don't reach the final because they hit the post seven times between the first and second leg, that the logical thing would have been that Mbappé's last year would have resulted in a Champions League final in 23-24, which would have been against Madrid. Listen to me, and three years before that, we were saved, hey, and two or three years before that with Mbappé, all those who sell that Mbappé, Paris Saint-Germain, has won thanks to Mbappé leaving, I mean, he was in the Champions League final with Mbappé too. It's true that people look at the semi-finals against Dortmund, they hit the post seven times. They hit the post seven times. I think there's a fear at Real Madrid, I don't know, I imagine. And that is that Vinicius leaves Real Madrid and ends up succeeding, even winning a Ballon d'Or. Because you've had the story of a player who signs very young, who becomes possibly the best player in the world, who comes very close to winning a Ballon d'Or, and Florentino sees him as his franchise player. So he has that fear, I think, of letting him go and him ending up achieving outside what he hasn't achieved at Real Madrid. But if you feel that way, then give him what he's asking for. Of course, of course. Well, what are 30? I think you're going to be the real Ballon d'Or. 30 like these, or 28, I don't care what he's asking for financially, you give it to him, and that's it. Florentino doesn't want to get to that, but he also doesn't want to let him go, but he can't either. I mean, Vinicius at Real Madrid, however you look at it, has been a resounding success. I mean, he's gone from being a player who averages five goals per season, whom Zidane didn't know what to do with because he wasn't playing him, and they were saying, "Fuck, this kid, no, no." There was a moment when you said, if we've made a mistake, he'll never be a goalscorer and so on. Suddenly Carlo Ancelotti arrives and turns him into a great player, turns him into a goalscorer of 25 goals per season, and thanks to him, you win two Champions Leagues and he's close to winning a Ballon d'Or that he doesn't win because Rodri wins it, by the way, that debate has also been very intense, saying, "You didn't want him to win it, Rodri should have won it in '23 and Vinicius in '24, but since the award givers do everything backwards, they did it backwards to give it to Messi in '23, which is the real reason for all this mess." No, that Vinicius didn't deserve it in '24 or Rodri. They gave it to Messi when they shouldn't have. But well, I've gotten lost. That you've already succeeded with success, that you mean, that Vini at Real Madrid, I would never have dreamed of a level like he's given at Real Madrid. I mean, he had two years, he had two, three seasons with Carletto consecutively. He'd score a goal and start crying with emotion because of how hard it was, that was top level, I mean, that was top level, he could have won the Ballon d'Or in 2024. He was the MVP of a Champions League. He was the MVP of a Champions League. He was. I mean, you're not going to tell me that I've missed out on Vinicius. I think probably of the, well, I'll say this phrase that they'll take clips of later, but surely he's already played 80 of his 100 best games, maybe 80 of them he's played with Real Madrid. And if not, you've had 80 spectacular games. I mean, I don't really understand, and this happens especially, I'd say at Madrid, although at Barça too, that feeling of settling for certain players. Fuck, Vinicius arrived in 2018, when Vinicius arrived at Madrid, I was in primary school, that's it, there's nothing more to monetize. If you're right, but you know what happens, Florentino is the only player he's making an exception for, and that's what's not understood. I don't know if it's because Florentino, well, has that paternalistic sense or a grandfatherly sense towards Vinicius, that he signed him at 17, that he's his kid and all that, because look, let's remember, Beckham left, yes, yes, after 4 years, Luis Figo also left with controversy, moreover with the president because you know that players never know their end. Zidane didn't even exhaust his contracts, but that was Zidane's own decision. But let's say players like Casemiro, at 30 or 31, a good offer arrived, you had Tchouaméni, on the way out, you say Casillas, I mean, you go over it and Florentino hasn't flinched, Fernando Hierro. Fuck, Fernando Hierro, we had just won the league and I don't know if we had won the Champions League two years before with Fernando Hierro. Well, Fernando Hierro was still at a high point, he was the captain. He hasn't flinched, I don't know why he's flinching with Cristiano Ronaldo, fuck, Cristiano Ronaldo had 3 years left at Madrid, scoring 50 goals per season, because he went to Italy, which is a more complicated football, and he was top scorer and scored 40 or 50 goals. So he had two or three years left. He easily would have had two or three years left, okay? And he didn't flinch. Cristiano arrived and said, "No, look, I want you to extend my contract because I want to earn the same as Messi," and the same with Sergio Ramos. But well, with Sergio Ramos, you say, he's already getting on, but he still had two years left, you know? He had two years left. But if you're talking about Cristiano Ronaldo now, I'm not very good with numbers, but Vinicius is one season away from equaling Cristiano's seasons at Real Madrid. Yes, he's had eight seasons and he's going into his ninth. Those are the 9 seasons Cristiano was there. Cristiano. It's like Vinicius is still the young player who's going to explode, who's going to explode, who's going to explode. That's what Nacho was saying. Yes, yes, he's already given you everything. You, I don't know, there's a part, I haven't spoken to the president in a while, but I'd like him to tell me, President, what am I missing? Why? What am I missing that Vinicius has been messing with you for a year and a half about renewing, and you're increasing your offer, you're trying to convince him, and he's still at the same point, and we're going to reach the last year of his contract without him renewing. Tell me what I'm missing. I think there are two factors. One is human, he's a beautiful child, because he's his weakness, his grandson, he's his grandson, he's his child. I was reminding you earlier when he took him to the box and put him to his left and watched a match, it was a scene that had never happened, never been seen. Let's remember that Madrid delegation that went to the Ballon d'Or, a Ballon d'Or where very important awards were going to be given to Real Madrid, including Carlo Ancelotti's. So, there have been a series of personal, human decisions that with Vini have shown or evidenced that Florentino feels something special for the footballer. And then there's a marketing part where Florentino is aware that there are two footballers, Mbappé and Vinicius, who are not, no, no, no, light years away market-wise from the rest of the squad accompanying them, so Villarroya is right. They become the two most profitable footballers in that sense for Real Madrid, both Mbappé and Vinicius. And you know that economic facet too, but football wins titles, right? Yes. And more so when you've had two without. That's not it, but he asked me, I'm not saying I agree, I mean, I'm on the side of amortization, I mean, for me, the best has already been seen. And in the day-to-day of what you talk about the Premier League, I have a phrase that I like to repeat, and that is that people are not fans of Ibex 35 companies, listen to me. They are in everything, they are in everything. Thank you very much. They are in everything, really. I mean, you come to have breakfast, the breakfast of champions, with everything we've enjoyed here, and they even say the detail. It seems like a trifle. It's a detail. And I tell you something, Siro, I'm not going to have breakfast or brunch anywhere else but Foster's. What I did in the United States, the moment I saw the breakfasts they had, I said, "Why am I going to keep looking?" They have fresh orange juice, because of course, you go to certain places and they give you, they open the bottle. That's missing in the United States. Well, here, of course, they make it Spanish style and it's perfect. The pancakes are crazy, they blew my mind. Well, now I'll tell you one. This for me has been the best. What was it called? Look, look. Review it, review it. I'll tell you a little secret. You know that my daughter Alba lived for 4 or 5 years in Nevada. In, yes, yes, in Tonopah because her husband, who is an engineer, was building a solar thermal plant. It was easy, it was easy. Sandwich. I got so addicted to pancakes that later I said, "But where can I find pancakes?" Well, here you have it. And you haven't put it here. And they don't sell them in supermarkets, in the only supermarket. I'm going to advertise a Costco supermarket now, you know they're American, there are only three in Spain, four in Spain, so there, but there aren't any now, that's why you have to come to places like this to do it and all that. First, accept that you can't and accept that they don't turn out as well. You have to eat them here. Well, and then, because I want to go back to the last quarter, I want to dedicate it again to the national team and the future of the national team and all those things. What I wanted to ask Nacho, we've talked about how we all agree that Madrid has to go for Rodri, yes or yes. By the way, Pablo told me in the Twitch chat that someone pointed out that City could have that possibility open from the moment they signed Gündogan. And that Buendía is also being talked about a lot. Of course. Well, Buendía, Buendía for City, but from good player to less so, but he's 18 years old. Yes, I was amazed by him, a very quick detail because I started researching him for a video on World Cup revelations. At 18, he skipped a grade in school because he's super, a bit. He studies mathematics for pleasure, meaning he's studying a mathematics degree for pleasure, and at 15 he won a national debate tournament in the Elysée Palace in front of Macron's wife. Being a footballer. Being a footballer. Maybe we're also interested in things like that. Of course, football at 18. This, Florentino knows this, because this might appeal to him. This appeals to him. Well, the issue is that I'm not going to, I'm not going to sell the idea that City wouldn't miss Rodri, because any team would miss Rodri, but right now City, ironically, needs Rodri less than Real Madrid, because they've signed İlkay Gündoğan, who could be a Bernardo Silva, but he could also be more of a Toni Kroos, a player who played in Rodri's position. Buendía is being talked about. Nico González, you've already paid millions for him. I, Nico, I know the English haven't taken to him, but Nico González is a footballer I still trust and I think he can do well at City. I'm not saying they're Rodri-level players, but I can imagine a Manchester City midfield next year without Rodri, and even more so if Buendía is being talked about. So, what City is doing very well lately in the market is anticipating what's going to happen, and I think they know if Rodri tells them "I'm not renewing," they'll go for Buendía, they'll sell Rodri, they'll keep Gündoğan, Buendía, Nico, Reinders, we'll see what midfield they put together there. Yes, I mean, Rodri's transfer benefits Real Madrid a lot, and perhaps doesn't harm City as much, because of course, as Pablo said, City will miss Rodri, that's clear, but as the English team is reinforcing itself, they won't miss him as much, or the loss for City won't be as great as the benefit for Real Madrid, and his contract ends next year. Effectively, it's that if Rodri tells them, "I'm leaving next year," then financially, Manchester City will have to sell him. Rodri will say it because, given how he is, wanting to leave, Rodri will say, "Look, for you, sell me this year because otherwise I'll leave for free next year." Yes, I think so. I think if the player pushes, and if Mourinho pushes as hard as he can, saying, "Look, I think he will do it, Mourinho, and we need him," then I think Madrid has no other option, and I also think that if Florentino rolls up his sleeves, it's the kind of operation that I think you can close quickly. You have to do it, you have to do it. It could be like Cucurella, perfectly. I mean, it can be signed in two days. You have to talk to, of course, City will start by asking for the moon, we know that. And they'll ask for a fortune, and even more after the World Cup. That's why it's an operation that would have been good to undertake at the time. But of course, that's where the famous reports of "be careful" appear. That's when Madrid takes that step back and convinces itself again. Of course, you could get injured again, right? I don't know. I get the feeling that it's a signing that you can't let slip away and that it's not that difficult to do. I mean, my feeling is, just like I said with Enzo, that in Enzo's case I had information, in Rodri's case it was more intuition. If Madrid wants to sign Rodri, Madrid signs Rodri. I get that feeling because players have a lot of power. Players still, no matter how much they try to sell that they don't, still have a lot of power. Except Julián, of course, except. Well, but Julián has the problem that he's found a team that doesn't seem to respond to any market logic. But the Cucurella case, do you really think Chelsea wanted to sell Cucurella? No, but Cucurella arrives and this is information. He says, "That's it, I'm here. I can't not play anymore." Chelsea isn't even going to play in the Conference League next season. And Chelsea says, "Okay, well, if I get a good offer, I'll sell you." Madrid arrives, puts in some money. I'm convinced that Florentino Pérez didn't want to put it in initially because you're paying 60 million for a 1998 player who's a left-back. Well, in my opinion, well paid, but it's not a bargain in the market. Better than for Carras, right? Much better than for Carras, much better. But it's not a bargain. You arrive, you put in the money, and Chelsea says, "Look, Cucurella wants to leave." The same would have happened with Enzo if you had put in the 120 million pounds, and the same will happen with Rodri, because they are players who, in Chelsea's case, Chelsea can't offer them European football, and you have to swallow it, you have to sell those players, and in City's case, if Rodri doesn't say, "Okay, then next year I'm leaving, next year I'm leaving," and Stones has already left for free, Bernardo Silva has already left for free, City has already made too many, I mean, they've let too many players leave for free and haven't earned as much in terms of financial fair play. It's money that if they want Buendía, it would be very useful to have. De Bruyne also left for free. There are many who this year are Stones, Bernardo Silva, last year Kevin De Bruyne, they are players from whom you could have gotten money and they won't reject it. Let's put 30 kilos there, they won't reject it. No, no. Marcurella says here on Twitch, "Rodri isn't leaving City, yesterday with the Atlético de Madrid flag." It should be said that he wasn't with the Atlético de Madrid flag, I think. They took a photo on the front row, there were several from Athletic, Baena from Athletic and Mar, and then they told him, "Get in, let's take a photo." And they took it with the flag. But I think, look, I mean, and listen, as if he were member number one, that Rodri and his family are from Atlético de Madrid, well, okay. Well, and Isco's dog is called Messi, so Joan García from Espanyol. He was from Barça, from Madrid with all his might, and he was a Barça player and is a Barça legend. So, it seems to me that of all the variants, that's the one that affects the least, and it's more of a variant that the Madrid fan says, "No, the Madrid fan, no." It excites the Madrid fan that a guy of Athletic descent is brought to the good shirt, now I'm on the right side of history, right? Something that has brought him, well, consequences of all kinds every time he's had to visit metropolitan territory, especially his plaque. And when I went to the semi-final at the Metropolitano, Atlético de Madrid vs. Arsenal, fuck, it seems crazy to me that they haven't considered removing the plaque, I mean, it seems to me that saying, look, when he signs for Real Madrid, they're removing them all. I mean, the issue here, of course, is putting plaques after 100 games, which you can put them.

It's almost nonsensical. It's just that there wasn't much. I mean, the plaque has to be taken by a player, [ __ ] who is a legend, what they are doing now by vote, and truly, and authentic super legends. Do you know what I mean? Of the, uh, Sirio 985 says, "The photo that will cost Rodri his signing is the one he took with Riquelme. Florentino won't forgive that. I don't think he even took a photo, besides. He didn't take it. If Riquelme had appeared with the shirt, just like I posted Halan's, he would have posted Rodri's, it would have been so obvious in quotes, because that wasn't obvious either, nor was it any proof of anything, but a retweet or a repost, a declaration of yes, of maybe, I think besides, the history of football, I think there are many cases of a footballer who was going to sign for someone, and in the end, the opposite team signs him, and what Cristiano Ronaldo wants, I mean, in the end, what the fan wants, what they want is for the good player to put on the shirt. If you sign Rodri, Rodri will win you the league, and in the final against Madrid, you won't say, 'Damn, this guy came because of Rodrigo, I mean, because of Enrique Riquelme,' no, no, you'll celebrate it." And Florentino Pérez, who signed him, takes the credit. And honestly, I think Riquelme said he had Rodri done because I insist on my idea, a great signing, that if Madrid wants to have Rodri done, they'll have him done tomorrow, but it should be tomorrow. The problem is the report, the problem is Florentino's fears, the problem is everything we know, but if you are in the position of being the president of Real Madrid and you want to sign Rodrigo, I am convinced you can do it, that it's not Olise. You tell me Olise, then it will get complicated, but Rodrigo, look, Ed says here, look, we're back to the national team, and that's how we'll close the topic of the national team. Ed says, uh, 0691, "What do you think about Barça winning the World Cup?" Well, we'd have to say, uh, it's another narrative. We're back to the 2010 narrative. If we want, we can analyze, uh, how many players have been undisputed starters in this World Cup. I mean, obviously Madrid hasn't had any. Well, they had Marcos Llorente, who is a player developed at Madrid. If we want to go into youth academies, development, the players Barça has, but you start with the goalkeeper, Simón from Athletic Club de Bilbao. Unai Simón, uh. Cubarsí from Barça. Barí, no, because Pedri in the end, that's why Pedri didn't finish this, Ferran is a player, but an undisputed starter. Of course, but but you analyze it and you say, uh, Barça has had so many starting players, that Athletic, maybe, that Club de Bilbao, Unai, uh, has played, has played as a starter. Then, well, Nico Williams was key in the goal that we scored, but you go over it, and it's been, honestly, it's also been, although there were eight Barça players in the squad, and I don't care if Joan Laporta scores the goals, uh, I mean, Laporta comes out and scores the goal. I mean, I'm going to have a debate. But the key has been, yes, uh, the key has been the, we were talking about it before, the camaraderie of the national team. There has never been more camaraderie at the team level. Pedro Porro, where has he been this season? Tottenham. Cucurella, who was at Chelsea, is now at Real Madrid. Lamine Yamal, who has been playing in the Saudi Arabian League, Cubarsí, who has played for Fútbol Club Barcelona, Unai, Athletic Club de Bilbao. In midfield, we go, Rodri, Manchester City. Fabián Ruiz, there have been three from Barça, but there have been practically three from Barça. Three from Madrid, for example, there were, and they said it was few when the other World Cup was won. Do you know what I mean? They said, "No, no, nobody, Madrid hasn't contributed anything," and now Barça, which had three starters, I mean, we are world champions, it's starting to say now, "No, there are Barça players, Madrid players," it seems like an incredible foolishness. I used to say it and I had debates with people who told me that, and I said, "But the basic and the difference has been the camaraderie. Did Barça not score, not the Catalans, no." I said, "Well, there have been Barça footballers." I said, "But, for example, Ferran, who scored the goal, is from Valencia." Just like Iniesta scored it before, who is from La Mancha, who maybe is a, Hey, who lifted it? I could tell you, "Hey, the two World Cups, the two most important titles in history, who lifted them to the sky of Spain?" Two from Madrid, Iker Casillas and Rodrigo Hernández. What happens? Madrid is the European Championship, Morata. Of course, I mean, the World Cup and the European Championship are only lifted by people from Madrid. Let's go down that line. It's a supreme foolishness, a supreme foolishness. And here, Spain has won, which is wonderful because it's the mix of its 17 communities, well, plus its 17 regions, plus its two autonomous cities, plus the sum of 47 million guys, each from their father's and mother's origin. What have they done? They've become world champions for this wonderful nation called Spain. And then it's a debate that seems ridiculous to me, both from Madridistas and from Cules, because I think it's also a constant, I mean, Barça is a team that works better with its youth academy than Real Madrid. In my opinion, maybe a perspective that focuses more on working better, giving more opportunities. They work equally well. In fact, there are even more Madrid players spread out in professional football. And someone can come and tell me, "Look, but economically Madrid," and I can agree, but it's true that to get great talents and bet on them, Barça does it better than Madrid. Period. It has done it better than Madrid in the last 30 years. It's okay. And whoever says otherwise is someone who is putting a blindfold on themselves, and that's a blessing for Spain. I mean, to have a team that dares to put 17-year-old players as starters, and how that team plays is Spanish, and in that team, the youth academy players are generally Spanish, it's a blessing for the Spanish national team, but not only that, just like Athletic Club is, it's not a coincidence that Athletic Club contributes players to the Spanish national team. Club is a team that only signs players raised in Euskadi, well, Calerrilla, etc. And since they are players who represent the Spanish national team, it will always be good for the Spanish national team if Athletic Club does well, because if Athletic Club does well, it's because they are players who have enough quality to win titles and who can represent the Spanish national team. What has made Real Madrid great under Florentino Pérez is not the triumph of Spanish players, it's the triumph of the galacticos. So, I don't know why we go back to the discussion, back to the discussion of each World Cup, because in the 2034 or 2038 World Cup, if we are favorites, there will surely be many Barça players, because either the history changes a lot, or Barça dares to give opportunities to youth academy players that Real Madrid doesn't. And it's good that it is that way. It's good that it is that way. But listen to me. I, for example, I support Madrid, even if they don't have Spaniards. I will continue to support Real Madrid and I will support the Spanish national team, even if there are no Madrid players, I don't care. And Pedro Porro on the right is from Extremadura, and there were also Andalusians, so yes, there were from all over, there was Fabián, there was Enes, who is from Almería, and Gabi, who is from Los Palacios. In fact, I think there were more Andalusians in the, I find it incredible that someone says, "Without Catalans, they win nothing." We won the World Cup, and there are no Catalans in Spain. We won the World Cup. Well, without people from Burgos, yes, you can win, yes, you can win. We all talk about football, about the team's camaraderie. We all always talk about the same thing about the team, the players themselves. Without the team, we wouldn't have achieved this. Two days pass, we won the World Cup without Catalans, without Barça players. It's not that there are no Madrid players. We're back to the same old thing. We won the World Cup because we are a team, and if the people of Buenos Aires, Argentina, don't win. But come on, come on, [ __ ] you're kidding me. Well, in Catalonia there are many millions of people, and it's also a very football-loving community, just like the Basque Country, so obviously the Spanish national team will be nourished by players from Catalonia. Of course, of course. Well, and Catalonia is nourished by footballers from all over Spain. Javi is from Los Palacios and Fermín is also from Linares and Pedri is from the Canary Islands and Messi is from Argentina and they bring them and then they train them in their academy, they mold them and they give them their touch, obviously. The thing is, I think there are also people who mix things up and think that, I don't know, some will say, of course, because they've been selling for ages that Pedri is from La Masia, right? Pedri is from the Las Palmas academy. The thing is, then Barça signed him, and some think that Pedri is Catalan too, right? I find the debate of taking club rivalries to the national team to be even morally base, both from Madridistas and from Cules. I mean, at the national team level, I hope that in 2034 the Champions League is won by Athletic Club, because at the national team level it will mean that there are 11 guys who have just won the Champions League who you can call up. I mean, it doesn't matter which team they play for, which autonomous community they are from, because the important thing is they play for Spain, and to create these divisions of "no Catalans," "no this," "no that," it's foolish to always do it, but even more so when you've just won the World Cup, you've just won the World Cup and you're going to focus on that. To take it there. Anyway, those Catalans have contributed to the success of our beloved nation called Spain. Thank you very much to that great group of Catalans who have contributed to the nation as a whole. Thank you very much. Soldado Romario says, agreeing with another comment I received, "Do you like the style of this?" And of course, are they going to sell us that too? He says, "The style of the national team is not Mourinho's, it's Barça's tiki-taka." Don't pretend, don't acknowledge it, play dumb, no. The style of the national team is Luis de la Fuente's style, who, as far as I know, hasn't played for Barça, nor has he been at Barça as a coach or anything. It's the style of the players he has, and that's it. This was already done to del Bosque. It's astonishing because the two World Cups too, this is another thing we could bring up. Well, it turns out that the two World Cups were not won by Guardiola, nor Luis Enrique, nor La Masia, but rather, you tell me, they were won by a guy from Salamanca named, uh, uh, del Bosque, and a guy from La Rioja named, uh, uh, Luis de la Fuente, man. And they have sublimated, they will have sublimated the style. By the way, we always forget someone who is no longer with us, Luis Aragonés, who some will say, "Damn, no, but he was from Athletic," I don't care. Luis Aragonés is a part of Spanish football history. He laid the first stone. Luis Aragonés is God, and all football lovers and all Spaniards respect Luis Aragonés. He laid the first stone, he was the one who perfectly mixed, he was the one who dared for the first time to play with short players, he mixed tiki-taka with counter-attacks, which was his specialty, you know that better than anyone, and who probably sublimated football the most in 2008. Maybe some of you are so young that you didn't see it. So, to limit yourself to one thing, it's not that Luis also has fault for everything, uh, Luis has it too, and Barça has it, of course. And Vicente del Bosque, a guy who has managed Real Madrid's youth academy for 40 years of his life, and Luis de la Fuente, a guy who started from the, from the under-19s, going through the under-21s, the Olympics, to the top. All that group of people have it, right? But besides that, the style is set by the coach, the coach's footballing taste, and the players you have, and that's it. But it's not this, I mean, or is it that now when Zidane takes charge of France and starts playing, and if they achieve important success, we'll have to say it's Madrid's style? No, it's Zidane's style, just as it's Luis de la Fuente's style, and Luis de la Fuente has nothing to do with Luis Enrique's style or Julen Lopetegui's style, I mean, each one has their own style. And then, besides, there's a point where I think we have to vindicate the way football is played in Spain as a national symbol. I mean, I think this World Cup is also very important for many reasons, it's the second star, in my opinion, it already makes Spain a great national team historically. It surpasses France, for sure, at least. For me, you're already in that top five because you surpass France, uh. But I also believe it's the triumph of the way of playing and the philosophy we have in Spain. In Spain, people have been playing like this for many years, more or less since 2005, 2006, people have been playing like this in Spain. But when I say in Spain, I mean that I, who got my UEFA C and UEFA B, which are the two most basic coaching licenses, in a couple of years, that's what they teach you. And in the Argazuela team I coached, that's what I coached, and I was a nobody, and I coached children who will never become footballers. I want to see Espinosa coaching and throwing water bottles on the table like Luis Enrique. Throwing water bottles on the table. I'm going. And in Spain, they train like this, and in England, they train differently. And this, for example, I interviewed Javi a long time ago, and he told me, "Wow, when I arrived in England, I was amazed that at 17 years old they were constantly doing strength training and they were always doing duels and clashes against mannequins, of, I can't think of it now, like mats to practice clashing," and I clashed with those who were promoted from Newcastle U23, and they knocked me down. That's the English way of playing. Better or worse, in my opinion, worse, and in terms of results too. And in that way, Barça has represented it more than Real Madrid. Yes, but I come back to the same thing. Whoever doesn't want to see that more Spaniards play for Barça than for Real Madrid is because they don't want to, look at it. And it's something that is even more valued outside of Spain than in Spain. You ask, you ask any football fan from outside Spain, and they say, "The game in Spain has always, not now with Luis de la Fuente, but always in recent years, has been what Pablo says, a passing game, a game in the center of the field." And it's a game that represents Spain, and since there are more Spaniards at Barça, Barça will always represent it better than Real Madrid. But this is not just about Luis de la Fuente, it's not about Luis Aragonés, it's not about del Bosque, it's about the football that represents Spain and has always represented it. And that's why in the Premier League right now, there's Xavi Alonso, there's Real, there's Emery, there's Arteta, I mean, there's everyone, Paem, there's P Guardiola, there are so many coaches because in Spain, football is played like this, period. I mean, it's absurd to try to attribute it only to one club, that Barça is the one that has most exponentiated it because it has the most Spanish players. I'm delighted about it. Yes, indeed, but we come to the curiosity that Vicente del Bosque, who is a man formed at Real Madrid, a Real Madrid player, a Real Madrid coach, a Real Madrid youth coach, a youth academy director, a barula, well, I'm saying the style was Barça's, and you say, "Man, it must be del Bosque's style." They played what del Bosque wanted. And I am a director, I am the director of the academy in Lezama, and I say, "Man, man, the style of Barça and the style of Lamine Yamal, the style of Unai Simón, the style of Nico Williams too," and I'm from Zubieta, and I say, "Man, maybe Oyarzabal has also contributed a bit to this," no, no. I mean, it's an absurd debate that shouldn't be given more attention. We have 5 minutes left, no more. What future do you see? Uh, I think yesterday I was saying, I think, I don't know if it was Luis de la Fuente, he said, "No, the president of the government in the reception he gave, thinking about Lamine Yamal, why not a third one? There's no two without three." I think the phrase he used was "there's no two without three," and he also recalled that we are going to be hosts of the next, of the next World Cup, right? Uh, yes, let's hope, let's hope, let's hope, because at first it was Spain, then it was the Iberian candidacy, then Morocco joined, and thank goodness not here, wait, wait. First it was Spain, then with the issue of the war in Ukraine, Ukraine, then Ukraine couldn't be, and they realized it was good for appearances, but it was a country at war. Of course, then they realized, right? Then, after that, Portugal arrived, or I don't know if Morocco joined, and then they took away the opening ceremony from us because of this scenario, and all this to give the World Cup to Saudi Arabia, which was the only thing FIFA wanted. So, listen to me, I am worried about interference. We have seen that FIFA is influenced politically by geopolitical games. It's a clear evidence. The friendship between Infantino and Trump is very evident, and the geopolitical relations that Spain currently has, for example, with the United States are not good, and the ones it has with Morocco are excellent, to give an example. And this on the political influence board, well, some might say we are conspiracy theorists, and others might say, well, listen, look at all the decisions that have happened in the World Cup and ask yourself if FIFA is the organization you can trust the most in this regard, because I don't think so. Of course, then after seeing the goal that was disallowed, someone told me, "Damn, I'm a big fan of the goal celebration." I almost broke my arm from the cheers for Infantino and the entire celestial court. I said, [ __ ] I didn't think there would be, because it was repetitive, it seemed like I'm going to break my arm. But we haven't talked about the disallowed goal, because thank God we don't have to talk about it. Thank God. I said, "It can't be." I mean, in the end, all those conspiracy theories, which is what Alfredo Relaño used with the Villarato and such, and then you discover that you say, it seemed like a conspiracy theory, forget about it, [ __ ] Alfredo, it's good for selling newspapers, but okay, yes, they have helped Barça more, it's not normal that it's been two and a half years, but of course, then you discover that Negreira was paid. I had the same feeling with the issue of, I mean, [ __ ] I say, the Egypt thing, well, okay, the referees are influenced and such, the Switzerland thing, such, but when I see that in the final, they disallowed Spain, Spain has saved FIFA. Tremendous. Spain has saved FIFA from what would have been a very difficult situation in history. It would have been a very difficult situation because we were coming from Qatar, which had already been a problem, and besides, in this World Cup, and I feel sorry because Argentina is a country I love very much, right? Everyone, everyone was saying, [ __ ] it's like, I mean, there were already many eyes from all countries on this match, and I think if Spain had lost with that goal, it wouldn't just be a national team that, hey, they're playing against me, they're robbing me, it's that everyone is saying, hey, but what is Argentina doing in every match. It would have been very strange. In the last two years, I mean, in the last two World Cups, the last two events, every time there has been a decision, let's not even say anything, even if it was gray, it always went the same way, which was Argentina's way. I've never seen a player sent off for simulating a foul in the center of the field. You only see it once, and coincidentally, it's in favor of Argentina. And I don't know, we say the disallowed goal, Paredes should have been sent off four times, and little is said about Enzo's second yellow, which was a clear direct red, which at that moment you don't, but Paredes was going around distributing, how he went around distributing, and that's it. I mean, and then Argentina has used, has been using the "other football" because they were allowed to during the World Cup. By the way, a World Cup where the refereeing criteria changed from the first phase to afterwards. It's a debatable thing. The first match, we saw three red cards in Mexico vs. South Africa, right? Three red cards, and suddenly everything changed. We went from a World Cup where VAR wasn't used to suddenly in the second phase, an order was given that VAR was used, I mean, we were all delighted with VAR, even with the goals, right? That from the knockout stage, for each goal, one minute would be added. Something that wasn't done in the group stage. But the rules changed in the middle of the tournament. But let's go back to your initial question. Of course, what worries me is that now Rabat will come and build two stadiums like they are doing, or Casablanca. No, I've seen the one in Rabat, and it's impressive. It's where the Africa Cup final was played, and it's impressive. And it seems that the one they are building in, I don't know if it's in Casablanca, one in Casablanca, yes, that's the one they want or the Moroccans intended for it to be. The worst thing of all is that we were a bit more, the Spanish government insisted more or facilitated Morocco's entry more. Go figure why. With what interests? I don't know. I don't want to get into that, but go figure why we almost pushed for the Moroccans to be included, [ __ ] you have to be incredibly foolish, [ __ ] You have an event that is for you, and you turn it into an event for 17, a World Cup we've been waiting to host since '82, one of the most football-loving countries in the world. [ __ ] really, you have to be a little smarter in this life. Very quickly, regarding what you said about the sporting aspect, the future. I am very positive about the Euro 2028, and on the other hand, I am a bit more fearful about the 2030 World Cup. And it's that I see a lot of future in many of Spain's positions because the goalkeeper, Joan García, will be very good, because Pedro Porro is from '99, because I think the center-back pairing that can reach the 2030 World Cup, this is very difficult to predict, but I think Cubarsí and Pau Cubarsí are a pairing that gives me a lot of confidence. I continue to bet heavily on De Jong and Merino. Of course, Merino will also be there in midfield. Pedri is still young, Ferran is from 2003, Gavi from 2004, of course. Nico Williams 2003, Lamine Yamal 2007, Samu, who we haven't counted on because he was injured, he can explode. He's from 2005, right? 2004. Yes, the same Gonzalo. The same Gonzalo can be new players. My concern is, [ __ ] you won't win this World Cup and this Eurocup without Rodri. And Rodri will be fine for the 2028 European Championship, but for the 2030 World Cup, it's asking a lot because of his age. Zubimendi is from '99, and I really like Zubimendi as a footballer, but Rodri, I really think we continue to undervalue him in the world, like if Rodri leaves, it's like losing the Ballon d'Or. That's the importance. So, watch out, it's not a double Ballon d'Or. Of course, I am very positive about the future of the national team. I think we will arrive at Euro 2028 as clear favorites, and that's the most important thing. I think the 2030 World Cup should be put aside a bit. I think we should focus on Euro 2028, and there, I think the logical thing is that Spain will arrive better because it's logical to think that in 2028 Lamine Yamal will be even better, and Pedri will be even better, and players who were injured for this World Cup will recover, and new players will emerge who are now kids of Lamine's age or even a year younger, who in two years might explode and be there, and we are seeing that in the European Championship, no European team has played against Spain and put us in incredible difficulties because France was the favorite, and against Spain they played their worst match, except for the first half the other day against England. So, obviously, thinking about 2030 is very far away because in 4 years many things can happen, but for the European Championship, I think we have to be there in the thought that we are the favorites, and moreover, I think repeating what happened in 2008, 2010, 2012 is something that greatly motivates the players. Uh, Nacho, to close, forget where the final is played. I think Spain has a long way to go. I mean, this is a logical progression. I mean, of de la Fuente's questions. Yes, can I take one of the little plates? Of course. Anything else? No, nothing. I think that's it, huh? I'm not going to eat until tomorrow. We're done. I'm not eating today, and Forsters has given me everything I need. And tomorrow, breakfast here again. Yes, yes. Thank you very much. Let's go. What kindness. What kindness. Look at this coffee. The one that's left there, huh. This coffee is mine. I've had, I've had your juice, and the one who had, Siro had three juices. Of course. That's how it is, naturally, what happens, happens. This coffee is the third of the day, it's going to be a long day. Uh, Siro, to what you were saying, uh, this is a logical progression. Uh, this is a champion Spain in '23 in the Nations League, in '24 in the European Championship, in '25 finalist in the Nations League, in '26 world champion, it has many young footballers. It's true that some, well, are more veteran, we'll see how far they can go. Look, one of the most veteran is Rodri, who is 30. Yes. And I think '96. And I think he could reach the European Championship, he will surely reach the European Championship and could even reach a supposed call-up for '30. Casemiro arrived at 34, how old is Oyarzabal? Oyarzabal is '97, he's my age, I mean, Oyarzabal is going to turn 30, he's 29. Yes, you could perfectly still reach the next World Cup. That's the most hopeful thing, that it's a very young national team, and in the under-19 and under-21 categories, we are European champions. What is very important, we are talking, it's a debate for many years to come, but one of the usual mistakes of coaches is the, uh, that acquired gratitude, right, for past merits. It happened to Del Bosque, remember? Between '10 and '14. He took many players who were no longer fit for the event. The '14 was a disgrace. The '14, not many players. Vicente made a mistake there. That's what happened, Vicente made a mistake there. I don't know if Scaloni. Well, Scaloni has changed, I think, eight, eight players. Yes, he doesn't have much more, right? Scaloni, Scaloni has changed eight players, etc. But look, I'm not going to accuse de la Fuente prematurely of this, because if he has shown anything, it's that he doesn't hesitate to make unpopular decisions that might seem unpopular to us. Look, I trust that he won't do what we all expect. Yes, it's true that in the European Championship, for example, he pushed for Morata, because Morata was no longer fit to be pushed. But but it's not what happened in Brazil, in Brazil, 80% of those who had won, Casillas couldn't even get on the plane, and he didn't get on the plane, he got on the plane, put on the gloves, and played as a starter, despite having won a Champions League in previous months. We have to learn from that, we have to learn and not fall into that. The Euro, I think everything will be much more similar because the Euro is two years away, but also Morata's. Hey, Arzal, the European Championship until he scores the goal is worth watching, huh. Thank God, suddenly he connects with the national team, scores the goal in the final, and shines from then on. You don't score, but I remember Arzal, I even think he spoke about the issue of seeing him suffer on the field, [ __ ] no, watch out, it didn't happen the same to Ferran, who is more or less in the same situation, a World Cup and such, and he ends up scoring. 2001, he's very young, the shark, who asks for what the shark is. I, the shark, has already won me over, Ferran, you have to invite him. I, the shark, has already won me over because he scored what he had to score. Yes. So, well, nothing, hey, it's been a pleasure. We have to thank the people from Hollywood Hollywood. The treatment has been sensational, spectacular in a setting like Gran Vía, with spectacular breakfasts. Breakfast of champions, 10% discount here. If you come, the choice for me is the Bacon and Egg Sandwich. For me, it's the winning choice. They won't even eat them in the United States. The Original Pancakes. The pancakes. I'll go with the pancakes too. Look, look, look. Freshly made pancakes with special syrup. No, no. Incredible. Juni Butter with butter, accompanied by strawberries, blueberries, and butter. Incredible. And the All-in-American with fried eggs with bacon. I ate that by myself. By myself. The sausage chili con carne, which you guys haven't even tried. I ate it with pot. Yes, yes. How did you like the life of a late riser? Uh, cherry tomatoes, uh, mushrooms, french fries, uh, brioche bread, toasted with butter. The brioche bread. What a sin. What a sin. And that you don't have to get up early, huh. Until 12:30. Until 12:30 the brunch. What can't happen is that you come at one o'clock. Brunch, that's what it's about. I would add dinner too. We have to extend it by a couple of hours. The breakfast of champions. Today I won't even have dinner. Today I won't even have dinner. Until tomorrow. Well, nothing, thank you all. We've had an average of over 4,000, which is incredible. It's incredible. I think we've had close to 100,000 views between YouTube and Twitch. Which, well, thank you very much. You know that you have to come here for breakfast. They will treat you wonderfully well at Foster Hollywood, at any of them in Spain, because it's not just about eating or having dinner, people are used to coming to Foster to eat or have dinner. You have to come for breakfast and especially to share because they seat you like this, you look face to face with your friend, your family member, and you share a moment of debate, of conversation, and you feel like a champion, right? Yes or no? Because we are champions. Watch out because Foster Hollywood's logo is a star, and we've just achieved the second one. Of course, of course, of course, of course, of course. That's why we came to the breakfast of champions. By the way, there are Fosters in many parts of Spain, but for example, in Barcelona, it's also on Gran Vía. What are you telling me? Yes, you heard right, it's also on Gran Vía. So, people, go celebrate at Foster Hollywood like champions. Thank you all very much. Goodbye. I love you. Thanks for being there.