Spiritual Warfare: Taking Down Principalities with Rebecca Greenwood

Can you explain what a principality is?

It is a part of Satan's hierarchy that will influence world leaders. They're going to be over cities, over regions, over nations. They keep regions bound in darkness. When mankind continues to sin and partner in their sin, it can be through idolatry, a perversion, through killing. It can be all these different open doors of sin that have happened repeatedly. And it empowers and welcomes those principalities.

What's been the most like glorious story of where God brought a stronghold down?

It was like 2000 in Guatemala. There was a young man by the name of Mariano Race. He was walking through the agricultural community, povertystricken, domestic violence, prisons were totally overflowing. And Jesus encountered him. Lord told him, "You're not just called to be saved, you're called to change this city."

Wow. So he started walking just praying and so people slowly started getting saved. You have heard of who Marilyn Manson is. Yes. Yeah. The satanic rock. He was coming to the city of Houston years ago to do a concert. So they begin to announce it on the Christian radio station. Pray Marilyn Manson's coming to our city to do a satanic rock concert. So pastors gathered to pray. We took authority over the spirit of death. On the second song, the whole sound system was shot. Nothing worked. He went off the stage. No concert that night.

The reality of going into these battles, not consecrated, not with the right people. There can be real repercussions of us stepping into territory that we don't have a grace for.

We never do it presumptuously. This is an eklesia act.

We're talking about engaging principalities. How do you approach it? Hey gang, welcome back to Directed Life. This is the official show to help you live a life directed by the Holy Spirit to find, fund, and fulfill your calling to flip culture upside down. This one's really special for me because I love talking about spiritual warfare. I love talking about uh deliverance. There's a whole other level to this warfare that God's invited us into that there's things about it I don't fully understand. And this conversation really inspired me. I believe it's going to inspire you as well to know that there's number one, there's levels to this game. There's so much growth that you and I can have in the areas of prayer and spiritual warfare. um where does land ownership come into spiritual warfare? Um what does it look like for us to to step into spiritual warfare unprepared and and how can that actually be to our detriment? But most importantly, how can we do this thing especially when it comes to tearing down principalities over regions and over industries? And uh I have a a person on the show today who is we she is a self-proclaimed green beret in spiritual warfare in this area and uh but I think she deserves the title. You're going to get it's a meal full of wisdom and I think you're going to enjoy it. So please enjoy the interview with my new friend Rebecca Greenwood.

We moved to Houston, Texas and my um husband's parents are best friends. You might have heard of them. I don't know. Eddie and Alice Smith. She wrote a classic book on intercession, Beyond the Veil, and it's incredible. And they've done

Oh, I was thinking of Behind the Veil by

or No, I was thinking of The Veil by Blake. It is

Oh, Healey.

Yes.

Yes.

So, okay. That's not that book. Yes. Beyond the Veil.

Beyond the Veil. And it's a great book on intimate intercession. But Greg's parents were best friends with them. And the very first time they met Greg, he was seven and he was it was after dinner, he was washing dishes and the Lord spoke to Alice even though that they were Southern Baptist. She was a closet charismatic and um she would come back and watch Katherryn Kman all night and you know so but they were traveling music evangelists for Southern Baptist and amazing musicians and that's how they met Greg's mom and dad. But the Lord spoke to her and said he has a call of God on his life for nations. And you and Eddie will mentor Greg and his future wife. So start praying for him and his future wife now.

And so we ended up a year and a half after we got married in Houston at a church that they had started. Eddie didn't want to be the senior pastor. So he was the worship leader, but they started it and it was Calvary Baptist, but Baptist and name only. I mean it literally move of the spirit, deliverance, intercession, people getting healed,

people coming off the street getting saved. I mean, so the Lord moved us to Houston and we were in their church. And um they did not tell us um that the Lord had been had spoken that to Alice and that they had been praying for Greg and his future wife till after we had been in Houston for two years. And they sat us down and they said, "You need to know what how long we've been praying for you, Greg, and for you, Becca." You know, and the first time I met them, we were engaged and we were at Greg's mom and dad's church. I trained nine years to sing opera. So, I'd always do the Sandy Patty specials, you know.

Wow.

So, and so when we had uh lunch that day and we were leaving, Eddie and Alice were there. They were there ministering in their church that weekend. And Greg's mom and dad were like, "Bye. see you in a month. But they followed us out to the car. I mean, they were like, "You need to come to Houston sometime." And I'm like, "Okay." And we drove off. I said, "Greg, who are your parents' best friends?" Like, they were they're amazing, but like they were overzealous, you know, but we then we understood why. And they mentored us. And the Lord supernaturally moved us to be with them in Houston. and they mentored us in our calling and our destiny and intercession, deliverance, spiritual warfare and um yeah for 10 years and then the Lord moved us to Colorado Springs uh to work with Peter and Doris Wagner and my husband was uh the registrar of Wagner Leadership Institute and that's when they were at the World Prayer Center and they had prayer focuses in the 1040 window and 4070 window and so I began to lead teams and to all of those nations on prayer assignments. So

Wow.

Yeah. So that's kind of how our life unfolded. That's how we ended up in the Springs and and Alice was Peter Wagner's what he would say I1 top intercessor and um so we met them through Eddie and Alice and um yeah and so when they you know Eddie and Alice knew that the Lord was calling us to go to Colorado Springs and blessed that move and laid hands on us and blessed us and they're still like family and yeah so it's been an awesome adventure.

So I want you to explain a little bit about what your ministry does and what's the name of your ministry?

Christian Harvest International.

Christian Harvest International.

And then we also have a prayer network, strategic prayer apostolic network. And this is a people that we have trained in spiritual warfare prayer and we uh hear prophetically from the Lord in intercession. And then we all so we will carry those prayer burdens what he's wanting us to pray but then we'll also research you know we'll spiritually map why is the city the way that it is? How has you know darkness come into the city? What are the open doors? Who are the corrupt leaders that welcomed this in? you know what was the sin that was repeated over and over again in the region that has caused death or that has caused witchcraft to be so prevalent in this area. So then we take the prophetic revelation and then we research and we put the two together and then we go out on site and we pray. And so

oh my gosh, this is going to be amazing 52 nations. Um we have seen corrupt governments overturned. We've seen abortion clinics shut down. We've seen abortion laws. We've seen satanic rock concerts shut down. We've seen seen some pretty amazing things as a result. So we Christian Harvest is our ministry, SPAN is our prayer network as well. is a, you know, part of what we do. And, um, so I travel, uh, I'll be in 15 nations this year. Um, and teach on intercession, strategic intercession, prophecy, you know, go in and help leaders get a prophetic strategy of how to pray strategically for their city, their region, to see principalities defeated and dethroned, and to see his kingdom come.

Now we're talking. So that's that's our passion. This is this is what we do.

It's really cool how you're describing what you do because I think um

I think when when people think of intercession maybe maybe it's just me. I feel like um I have such an elementary view of what intercession looks like. It's just like praying for praying for people, praying for the needs of people. But it sounds like what God has given you guys is a stewardship of um really apostolic level intercession. I think of when um a couple of different things. I think of when God tells Jeremiah, he says to Jeremiah um called you to be a prophet to the nations um you will build and you will plant and you will uproot and you will tear down.

And he says and Jesus says something similar to us. He says, "I've given you the keys of the kingdom to bind as it's bound on earth as it is in heaven, to loose as it's loose in heaven."

And so, what God has given you is this ability to It's like real, it's not just like tactical day-to-day prayer warfare. It's like systemic

tearing down of strongholds

and and and and not in a way that doesn't produce fruit, but like you're actually seeing tangible fruit in cities and geographical regions where your prayers are actually restructuring for righteousness sake.

Yes.

Restructuring these systems and infrastructures.

I tell people it's like Holy Spirit espionage. Like we're the

Yes.

We're the Green Berets. We're the special ops, right? And not everybody is called to do this. But it's like, you know, he entrusts us with these assignments and um and we steward them.

Wow.

And we say, Lord, what is your strategy? You know, show us how we implement. You know, we we have all these like amazing prophetic words that can be spoken and is God's heart, right? Our father's heart for cities, regions, and nations. But there's a stewardship in that

for sure.

And and in that stewardship oftentimes there is a a point in time almost all the time where there has to be a confrontation in the spirit realm with a principality territorial spirit you know to see it defeated over a region and to see the harvest come come forth. And we've seen it over and over and over and over again. I'm sure you're familiar probably with Alonga, Guatemala.

Have you heard of Alonga? Oh. Oh, this is amazing. And I we actually got to finally visit for the first time. I think it was 200 and um oh goodness, it was like 200 probably uh 20. Oh, I have to go back and look at the year. 22. Let's you know, three or four years ago. And uh we were um in Guatemala, but and so I was there in a leadership meeting, government meeting, and um and we decided to go up and visit. But what happened in Amalonga, it's a it's in the mountainous region of Guatemala, and it's an indigenous, you know, they're part of the Mayan Aztec Mayan culture up in the mountains of Guatemala. And it was it was 3% Christian in the 70s and early 80s. 3%. And um and so there was a young man by the name of Mariano Rscatche. And I always tell people when I tell this story, I want to know the three who were on their knees praying. Somebody was interceding and praying. And Mariano, he wasn't walking with the Lord. He was young. He was walking through the town into the field. And it's an agricultural community. Povertystricken, domestic violence, drunkenness. Prisons were totally overflowing. They could only produce one to two harvest a year. And Jesus encountered him. He started calling his name out when he was walking. Mariano. And the first time he's like, who is calling my name? Second time, Mariano. Third time he called his name. And he had an encounter with Jesus, got radically saved, started reading his Bible, started praying. Lord told him, you're not just called to be saved, you're called to change this city. Wow. So he started prayer walking just praying and so people slowly started getting saved and they worshiped an idol in the city called Maximon. It was this male mannequin dressed up like a mobster and they would put their cigarettes, their alcohol bottles, their paraphernalia all around him and every home in the village had had an altar to him. And so he, you know, he was prayer walking and people would slowly get saved. But then one night, the most notorious town drunk. Everybody was terrified of him. He was passed out on the street. And Mariano walked by him and he looked up at him and this demonic voice came out of this man. He said, "This is my domain." Not, "This is my man. This is my domain and you can't have it."

And Mariano, what do I do? And he starts thinking about Acts 16, Paul and Silas and Philippi. So he casts the spirit out of that man. He got radically saved, delivered, filled with Holy Spirit. And so this sweeping move began to break out in that city where people began to get saved. There were people that were involved in shamanism. They tried to kill Mariano twice. Once they had a barrel of a gun in his mouth and they have had him held down. They pulled the trigger and the gun would not fire and they ran off terrified. And one of those shaman, he was on his deathbed 3 hours away from death. His family walked out of the room, left him in there to die, very sick, unpleasant because he was when witchcraft wasn't following the Lord. And he cried out to the G. He said, "Jesus, to the Jesus that Mariano preaches, if you're real, show yourself to me. I do not want to die and go to hell." Jesus came into that room and that shaman got saved. came up off his deathbed, healed, walked out of the room and said, "Go get Mariano. Jesus just came to me. I'm saved."

Wow.

So then the whole town got saved. Every saloon shut down. It turned into a house of prayer. Uh the prisons uh were shut down because everybody got saved and delivered and filled with the spirit. They went from they threw Maximon out of the city. They had a huge gathering where everybody brought their personal altar of Maximon to the city center and they burned it and it's 98% Christians still to this day.

Wow.

And so when and they have seven harvest a year. I mean and they drive Mercedes Benz pickup trucks to the harvest. And and so when we went I you know Peter would teach about this. I even wrote about it in my some of my books. Every city needs to be in Almaonga, Guatemala. what Mariano says, what God did here, he wants to do everywhere.

My goodness.

And so, uh, we went and they're still producing all of these harvest and they have scripture on every truck and Christian music just playing over into the village from the high places and people out working their their crops and their their farms. And when you stand on that land, like you know, you're walking through the village, but when you stand on the dirt, like on that land, you can feel the glory of the Lord in that land and the freedom of undefiled land. Like the best you can feel it in the land you're saying.

You can feel it in the land. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. The earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord.

Oh my gosh. So when you stand on that dirt where they're growing these crops like the vegetables like carrots the size of your arms and people will come from all over.

Well, wow. Can I pause you real quick? As soon as you said that, I just thought of the promised land.

Yes.

And how the grapes that they were finding or the fruit that they were finding was like they was so bountiful.

Yes.

That they had to carry it on these massive poles.

Yes. So there was something about the land, the dirt itself that was blessed.

So when the people got set free and all the idolatry got kicked out of the city, then the land was set free

and it began to walk in the blessing

of the upright.

Oh my goodness. I You're I'm going to we're going to go down a lot of rabbit holes.

Yes.

Because you're making me think of a lot of great things. I'm very interested in talking with you. Let me just establish this. I'm very interested in talking with you because I personally want to grow in prayer. I personally want to grow in intercession. I personally want to grow in spiritual warfare. I feel a a massive stewardship even of this podcast is to equip people in we call it directed life for a reason. How to live a life directed by the Holy Spirit, right? So, how do you live life like where you're actually you're practically learning how to grow in these things that produce fruit? And it's also for me like almost like a personal therapy session. I can just ask my guests anything I want to ask and learn. One of the things that you said just now that made that really stuck out to me was you said that when these people of Amalonga

Amalonga Guatemala when the whole revival happened over that area

they started playing music over the town. My question, well, let me let me first say this. Like, my wife and I, we love playing worship music over our house. We love playing Mora music over our children. Um, and I love playing it when I'm in the room cuz obviously I it's good for my soul. My question is, is there is there some sort of effect that happens when you when you're playing worship music over an area and you're not and no one's present to hear it? Like is there an effect that actually happens when you're when you're saturating an environment with worship music or even demonic music?

Yes. But yes to both.

Okay.

Yes to both. You know, worship is one of the most powerful weapons of warfare. You know what what was you know and I'm just going to go down this warfare trail, but Lucifer Satan was Lucifer before he was Satan. and he he was over the worship and guarding the glory of the Lord, right? And so what's one of his number one assignments that he wants to do? He wants to rob the worship of the Lord, rob our worship and rob our joy.

Oh wow.

And if if he can silence us and silence our worship, then he knows that he has a victory because there's power in the sound of worshiping him in his glory.

Wow. And so this is why he always wants to release a sound that is of worship or sound his worship to him a sound of darkness worship of darkness because Satan understands very well the significance of worship and glory.

Yeah. And so uh when we have worship and worshiping worship music playing worship music over a region it will actually affect the atmosphere the spiritual atmosphere of a region of a home of your life. You know I used to be terribly bound, believe it or not uh by fear and by depression and by anger. And these weren't just emotional issues. These were demons

and that I had to get get out of my life and um and they were very three distinct deliverances that the Lord did. Fear because I fell from a high place at the age of three. It was a traumatic thing. That's where fear came in. But the depression came because I was raised in a Christian home, but I walked in rebellion for three years. Did everything you weren't supposed to do.

And um I'm telling this story for a reason, the power of worship. And um and so here we've moved we've moved to Houston. We're in the spirit-filled church. It's in a move of God. I was great cap when I was in the corporate setting. Worship presence, his glory, revival. He's Holy Spirit's moving. Now I'm I'm filled with I'm filled with the Holy Spirit, right? I have a personal relationship at this point with Holy Spirit. But because of when I walked three years in rebellion, the enemy really likes to remind us of our past failures. And he doesn't want us walking in our destiny. He wants to rob our joy. He wants to rob our worship. And so when I would walk back in the atmosphere of the home, all of a sudden this guilt, shame, condemnation, tormenting thoughts that he would say, "You think God's going to use you? You think remember this? Remember that? Remember this." Now I'm in a church now that believes in deliverance ministry, right?

And so um and so I had gotten set free at a corporate setting when they were praying for people to be set free from fear. That was my first deliverance. This time when I would go to those Eddie and Alice Smith who were mentoring us, I would say, "I need you to pray for me." And you know what she said to me?

She would look right at me and she'd say, "Go have an encounter with Jesus. Get in his presence and have an encounter with Jesus." and you know and and so I think that's something we have to remember as leaders that sometimes the answer for people is not what I can do for them. It's but it's what he can do for them.

Oh my gosh.

And we had mentors that taught us how to press into Jesus and have encounters with him before we ever looked to man.

And I'm so grateful for that. I mean it makes me even want to cry.

No, I feel the Holy Spirit on that. And um I would go to her I this torment, this guilt and shame. It's like turning into depression. She said, "Get in your prayer closet and have an encounter with Jesus." So one day I woke up. It was so intense. And our oldest daughter, Kendall, who's 35, and she came out a seer. She came out like this. She's feisty. She's me on steroids, I tell everybody. But she's loving and amazing intercessor. And um I put we had been at church late that night and I she was taking an early morning nap because she was tired and Greg, my husband, was at work and um and the torment cap was so bad that day. And I I had learned if I would just open my mouth and I would start to worship him,

the atmosphere would shift and I could hear him again.

Yes. And no matter what I felt, no matter how bad the torment, if I chose to press through that and what the enemy was saying to me and worship him, he would come. So that day I it was so intense and I started to sing. It's an old song and and you know, I don't know how it's going to come out, but I began to sing. I love you, Lord, and I lift my voice to worship you. And I was prophesying to myself, "Oh my soul,

rejoice."

Yes.

And I began to worship him and his presence came and I could hear him.

And then he said, "Becca, open up the Bible and study about the woman with the issue of blood." And so I did. I read it. Then he said, "Study it." Well, you know, my father-in-law is a pastor. He'd given us all these commentaries. So, I had in the living room floor, my Bible opened, all those commentaries. And I'm and I've got worship music now playing, right? And I'm studying about this. And I'm like, 12 years, right? She needed healing. 12 years she spent all of her money trying to be healed. 12 years, no human contact because according to the law, if anyone touched her, they were unclean. And when she was bleeding, she had to shout when she was out in public, unclean so no one would touch her.

This has gone on for 12 years. So she needs physical healing, financial healing. All of her money was gone, emotional healing from no human contact, and deliverance from the word curses. She was required to speak over herself for 12 years.

I never thought about the word curse component.

The word curse, right? So then she sees Jesus and she took her own life in her hands at that moment and she pressed through right and she touched the hem of his garment and he goes, "Who touched me?" Now that word he doesn't just mean like a touch for healing. It does, but it means a touch for revival. It means a a spark, a fire that will ignite like a bonfire. And everybody in the vicinity of it gets to experience the fire if they want.

Nice. So he sheepsadoed him and he said, "Who touched me?"

And their disciples are like, "Lord, you're crazy. Everyone's pressing in around you." Paraphrasing by Beccawood.

And and he's like, "No, someone touched me. Someone saded me. I mean, someone just got healed."

And and he turned and she said, "Lord, it was me." And there was fear and trembling on her because not only because of what just happened, she realized she was healed, but everybody that could kill her and stone her saw her touching when he they realized it was her. They knew she had crawled through that crowd and touched people just to get to the hem of his garment to get healed. She broke every religious law put on her to get that healing.

Thank you, Lord. And I saw it. And I saw after he walked off from her, I saw her rejoicing. I just could see this. He opened my sight. And I threw myself down on the living room floor, uh, you know, prostrate. And I said, and I'm shouting, I'm an intercessor. Jesus, if you can heal her, you can heal me. And I said, touch me, Lord. Heal me, Jesus.

And my shouting woke up my three-year-old prophet baby, Kendall. And she started saying, "Mama, mama, I hungry. Mama, mama, I hungry. Mama, why are you crying? Why?" You know, "Mama, why are you crying? Why are you crying?" So after 10 minutes, I get her. And I sat her down in the booster seat next to me, worked really hard on her snack that day, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And I sat down next to her, and a demonic voice capped louder than I'd ever heard said, "I told you he would never set you free. I'm still here. But listen to this. My three-year-old see her daughter started laughing uncontrollably like on Q after that demonic voice spoke to me. And she is laughing uncontrollably. And and she said, "Mama, it's so funny. Nothing was funny to me." And I said, "Baby, what is so funny?" She said, "Mama, don't you see?" and she pushed herself out of that booster seat and she started walking back and forth in front of me like a warrior and making this sound and just laughing. And I said, "Kendall, what is it, baby? What are you seeing?" She said, "Mama, it's Jesus and an angel here for you." And she started walking back and forth like a warrior and just laughing. Jesus, funny, mama. Jesus, here for you.

Whoa. And I started to cry and I said, "Jesus, if you're here fighting for me, I'm in the fight with you." And I felt his incredible presence that day. I got to church that night, grabbed the p the arm of my homegroup pastor. I said, "Tonight's my night for freedom." She said, "You're right. It is." And she laid hands on my eyes. And and she said, "Lord, show her what you want her to see." And the Lord took me in a vision, and I saw my name written in gold in the lamb's book of life in the hands of Jesus. and I fell on the floor and I began to cry. And then Alice's husband Eddie came up Lord

prayed a second prayer. Lord, show her what you want her to see.

And then he walked off and um I saw a vision of Jesus and the glory of the Lord all around him. And he got right just right here and he said and he said, "Becca, take up your cross. Follow me. It is over. It is finished." And when that word came out of his mouth finished, every bit of that torment and depression left me and the joy came in. And I've not battled a day since then. 32 years ago, Cap. And it's because he's good. But no matter what I felt that day, I learned if I would open my mouth and worship,

Yep.

he would come and it would shift the atmosphere where I could hear him again. Not only was I able to hear him, my daughter was able to hear him and I got set free that day.

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So, I want to tell everybody who's listening to this, worship is the most powerful weapon of warfare. Don't ever allow the enemy to stop the sound of worship.

I believe it. I I just think of scriptures where it says that God inhabits the prayers, the praise of his people, right? He his H his presence literally inhabits our praises. I I call it like a spiritual hammock.

Yeah.

Like you're you're worshiping him. You're setting up a hammock for him to literally like to rest in your presence. Right.

So think about that over a region.

Yeah.

Right. And how tormenting is that for the enemy and those principalities? Wow. You know, um, worship is a powerful weapon of warfare. And when we worship in spirit and truth and that's resounding out over a region, it it is it is warfare and action. And it's a torment to Satan and his army of darkness. And I love that it torments the enemy. This is what we're supposed to do

for sure. I I love it. It's It's amazing. I want to talk about the um your daughter a little bit. Yeah. because I think it's really cool that you had you had the wisdom to know that your daughter was prophetically gifted because I think uh there's so many people who there are too many people who aren't trained in spiritual things and so when their children have spiritual encounters whether with an angel or with a demon or whatever and the kids don't have the language for how to how to talk about it. Parents think that they're imagining things that they're not actually having these encounters. And I'd love for you to speak into that because I I think I don't know you maybe you would disagree, but I feel like children have such a they're they're so pure

that they actually have a greater sensitivity to spiritual things than most adults do. And even when it comes just to discernment, like when a kid is able to discern bad guy, good guy

in people, that's like really it's it's pretty sharp actually.

Very sharp, very accurate. There is no junior Holy Spirit,

right?

And children are so sensitive. And I think this is something as parents that we we need to have understanding of as believers, you know, because they do see, they do hear, they do discern. And so, you know, when Kendall started seeing at a very young age, the enemy tried to use it as a point of fear. And uh but

tell me more about that.

Yeah, it was she was born, she was all, you know, just this happy, easy child. It's after we moved to Houston. Now, I used to see in the spirit realm growing up and I was raised in an awesome Christian home, but I was taught it was my imagination. It's just a bad dream. It will go away. You know, they would say, "Pinch yourself. Pinch yourself. You wake yourself up." Well, I'm pinching myself sometimes till I'm black and blue because I'm really seeing in the spirit realm. And so my parents were amazing and their biggest cheerleaders, right, supporting us, believing in us, but they didn't understand, you know, the spirit realm is we were in traditional Christianity.

Yeah.

And so I was taught to unsee and and not or not understand what I was seeing or to take authority over what I was seeing or to rejoice in the good things. Even the angelic can be intimidating when you're first seeing it, right? And so, uh, Kendall, uh, began to wake up in the night at like 3:00 a.m. like clockwork, early morning, just screaming and and just in fear. So, we were newer to all of this. And so, this is the season I was getting deliverance. This is the season we're learning how to start maneuvering in spiritual warfare, deliverance. And, um, so I called um Eddie and Alice. I said, "What do I do?" And he goes, "Well, she's seeing in the spirit realm." So tonight when it happens, it happens. You and Greg go in and and turn the light on, ask her, engage her, ask her what she is seeing. And so we did that and we went into the room and cuz it happened like clockwork, 3:00 a.m. And she was really frightened. And we turned the light on and she ran over to us. We said, "Kindle, honey, are you seeing something?" "Uh-huh." And we said, "Is it good or bad?" "Bad." And the only thing she knew how to say was trying to say the word gorilla. like right she would see a picture of a gorilla and think it was scary and in her mind she's describing a demon that way and so big bad big badgilla mama and daddy and and so we just said okay and we we stood between her I mean had her stand between us held her hands and we just said very calmly in Jesus' name we command this spirit this evil spirit to go now and and we thank you Jesus that you send your angels and we watched on our baby's face, right? She's she's almost at this point like the age of three and and she looks at us and she smiles. She goes from total fear

to smiling and she said, "Pity angel, mama, daddy." And climbed back in her bed and went back to sleep.

And so the next night it happened again. So we went in, same thing. Bad, bad. Then we said, "Kindle, you pray this time.

You you pray this time." And and we said we we told her to repeat after us. We and she did. We in in her three-year-old voice, we just said, "Say go in Jesus name. Go Jesus name." And then we said, "Ask Jesus to send his angels." And she said, "Jesus, send pity angel again." And then she smiled and said, "Pity angel, mama, dada." And she gets right back in bed and goes to sleep. So we begin to mentor her in this gift. And we believed her gift. We didn't say it wasn't real. It wasn't legitimate. So, all three of our daughters and all four of our granddaughters

are very sensitive in the spirit realm. And literally when Kendall was nine, we were in a transition season and um it was before we moved from Houston into Colorado Springs and and a church had called and offered Greg a pastoring position and Kendall was 9 years old and she was sitting in the back of our van and she said, "Daddy, I had a dream. Jesus spoke to me in three dreams, Daddy." And in those three dreams, he said, "The next place we move, we'll have mountains and snow." Daddy, there's not one mountain here and there's no snow.

We can't move here.

Wow.

So, we're in the front of the van going, "Oh." And it's

So, do you take that seriously?

We took it seriously and we said no to the position and 3 weeks later we got the job offer to move to Colorado Springs.

Praise God. That's awesome. So our children, our daughters have always been a part of who we are, what we do.

They've not watched it and just observed it. They've been a part and a voice.

That is so cool.

Yeah.

And you honor that with them. So then they feel like they have a seat at the table and

they have a seat at the table. They've always had a seat at the table.

Yeah.

And they and there's no junior Holy Spirit. And we learned that. So that sensitivity, how they can hear the Lord, that's why she was so accurate. All three of our girls, Kendall was so accurate in that revelation. We knew it. And it's like we cannot say yes to this. We turned it down in total faith based on the revelation God had given her.

I am so inspired. That is so cool. So, we can we can train up our children and they know how to maneuver and they know how to be sensitive to the Lord and how to love the Lord.

Let me ask you a quick question on that cuz I have four kids.

86. Yeah, you'll meet them later.

Yay.

86, four, and two. So, just it's a party. It's super fun.

One thing that my wife and I are really praying through is how do we how do we practically train our kids to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit? how cuz they're they're studying the Bible. We're teaching them, you know, me uh scripture memorization and things like that, but I want to I want to, you know, disciple them in unlocking their spiritual gifts. So, what would your recommendation be for how to train kids to explore that?

You know, exactly what you're doing. I believe that sometimes, and I'm going to kind of approach it from three different angles. Exactly what you're doing is is one. And I think sometimes even in churches, we always relegate our kids to children's church. Yeah.

I think when we're having, we should have special services where everyone's in there together and everybody's experiencing the move of the Holy Spirit.

Nice.

And they're not separated out.

Nice.

When we were pastoring with Eddie and Alice, the children were in the midst of what we were doing and they were in every move of the Lord that we were we were in in a service. Uh but then also, well, you know, are you having dreams? you know, um, did you have a dream last night? Tell me about your dream, you know, and and so when you begin to dialogue with your children like that or when we were worshiping, what was Jesus saying to you when we were worshiping in church tonight? Or what is he saying to you when we're reading this Bible story? You know, we're you're memorizing the scripture, we're reading it to you. What what is Jesus saying to you about that? And so we would begin to pull out of them what they were seeing and hearing and we would have discussions on that. We would encourage that. Yeah. They would see the authority in prayer. Like what happened with Kindle, you know, when our other daughters had experiences like that, we taught them the authority in prayer. I'm an intercessor. I'm up many times in the middle of the night, midnight to 3:00 am or 3:00 am to 6:00 a.m. praying, interceding, not just for people, but nations, you know, regions, whatever he puts on my heart to pray. And so my daughters would hear me often in the middle of the night praying even when they were older and there would be a knock on the door because we had moved into a bigger house. So went from the prayer closet, literally our master bedroom closet was where I prayed to a room, and they would knock on the door and they would say, "Mom, can I come in and pray with you? Can I be in this presence with you?"

Wow.

And I would say yes. And so they would come in and they would sit with me. They would pray with me. They would intercede with me. And so we really encouraged their engagement in what we were doing and not making it separate from them. And we would then say,"How is he speaking to you? What did you how did you feel about that?" Or if they would say, "I don't trust that person. I don't like that person. What are you feeling? What are you sensing? Why are you saying that?" You know, or or you know, when we're praying and all of a sudden they're, you know, say something excited, you know, then we would say, "Tell us more about that." You know, and you know, like one night at a church service, um Greg was running the sound. Um he was holding Kindle and she was about the age of three, three and a half, you know, it was a little bit after this time and and our pastor got up to turn the lapel mic on and she turned to Greg and she said, "Daddy, Jesus at the door knocking. He want to come in and he looked at her and he's like, "That's right." You know, he's she's quoting a scripture. She's remembering it. But Greg almost dropped her because our pastor turned the microphone on and he said, "Jesus is at the door knocking tonight. how many of you are going to let him in? And Greg was like, you know, so we would encourage them to share what they are hearing, what they are feeling, what they are sensing. And um it just it can cause their gifts to grow. We would have them do altar ministry in church services. It's it's the kids are going to pray for everybody tonight. They're going to lay hands on the sick. They're going to do the altar ministry. and and you know all the adults would come and let the kids lay hands on them and pray for them and and pray for healing, just pray a blessing. And so we would pull the gifts out of them and it just became a part of their lifestyle.

I love that. Just inviting them in and

just inviting them in.

That's amazing. I want to um I kind of want to dive into this principality stuff

because this is where this is what made me really interested to reach out to you. Um, I think it was the reason why Lauren, our mutual friend, shout out Lauren.

It's one of the reasons why I think she she said, "Hey, you should actually, interestingly enough, I don't know if you knew this.

Lauren told me I don't want to butcher it. I can't remember if it was a dream or

It was a dream, but

Oh, so she told you.

She had a dream about us meeting. Yes.

In a dream, but I don't know the full Do you know the full dream?

I don't know the

full thing. I mean, she probably sent me a voice note, but the bottom line was, she had a dream that we were supposed to do a podcast together and she ignored it. And then the Lord, I think in the middle of the day, at some point a few days later, was, or maybe a while later, was but basically said, "You need to bring this up to Cap." So, she did. And Lauren is a great friend of me and my wife Joy. She and her husband Brendan, and she is extremely prophetically gifted, very. And so when she's shared prophetic things with me in the past, it's normally been an absolute dart. So every time she speaks, I'm like, "All right, I'm listening. I'm paying attention."

So then she sent me one of your, uh, an interview that you had done with another guy. Um, and it was about the, um, what was it about? The woman, uh, what was it? Queen of Heaven. Queen of Heaven. That's who it was. And so I listen to it and here's the thing too, is like, I get a lot of requests for people who want to jump on the pot, or people, and you, I got to really filter through like, all right, how much of what you're saying is like, scriptural versus how much of it's kind of like just going in a different direction. But I listened to your interview with him and I was like, this is so good and it was so scriptural, but then there's also just, there's, there's things that God has revealed to you about especially with principalities. That it just really stuck out to me. And I'll, I'll share with you why I'm particularly interested and then I'd love for you to maybe share some stories and then also practical, uh, insights in how we engage in that level of warfare.

So my first encounter with principality level spiritual warfare was right after I got married. So my wife and I, yeah. So my, some people who've listened to this podcast for a little bit might have actually have heard this story before, but my wife and I after we got married, we went on a baby moon vacation. We were about to have a baby. Our first baby, Brave. I love that. Yeah. Why didn't our generation think of things like that? Yeah. I feel like our generation just makes up reasons to go travel. I love it. I love it. So, our, our firstborn, Brave, is about to be born and I said, I really want to, um, I want to go to Hollywood. Okay. Yeah. So, you. Yeah. So, but listen, so I didn't know anything about Hollywood. I'm just a guy who, um, has had a calling to infiltrate the world of media, to to create content, to tell stories, to make movies, and, um, and so I actually, I went to the University of Miami to study film. I went in an atheist, came out with the Holy Spirit, and come on, God. Yeah. And like a total new picture. In fact, the reason why the podcast is called Directed Life was because I was always wanting to be the director of my own life. And then Jesus kicked me out of the director's chair and said, "Your life's not about you being the director, but you being directed." Amen. And so, but part of that too, is this, this, this mandate to go and be a part of, um, advancing the kingdom in this, in the sphere of media and entertainment. And so, I always had a heart for Hollywood. Mhm.

So, we decided to go to Hollywood just to kind of check it out and we thought, you know, we're just going there to have a little vacation for a few days. I'll tell you what, Becca, we were there for less than a few hours. And I have never even entertained this idea. I've never experienced it. I'm a guy that's like pretty confident in my relationship with God. We got run out of that city by the spirits in that city so quick. Like we entered into that city and we felt suffocated. We couldn't sleep. We felt like there was just this cloud of darkness over that city. Um, and since then I have been back and it's been a different experience. But for whatever reason, that weekend God allowed us to experience such a suffocating level of darkness where as we, we, I, in the middle of the night, I changed our hotel to somewhere in Laguna Beach. Yeah. We got in the car. We got out. We drove. I couldn't drive out of that city fast enough. My wife felt the same way. We get on the on-ramp to the highway. As soon as we get on the on-ramp to the highway, the, the feeling lifted. It totally lifted off of us. And I've had a similar experience multiple times. I've had experience flying into, I'm from DC. Oh, hey. All right. Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, I had that same experience flying into DC the summer of 2020. Yeah. During the whole pandemic and everything. I felt like, man, this is, this city is just, there's a level of darkness in the city, particularly right now, that is just really strong.

Um, but going back to the LA thing, I remember like really wrestling with the Lord cuz I was like, what happened? Cuz I thought I was a Christian. I thought, you know, I'm like, I'm covered in the blood of Jesus. Greater is in me. He was in me than he was in the world. What happened? Like, why did I experience such a great level of intensity that I didn't, I didn't have words for. Years later, the Lord showed me it's this, this concept of principalities, regional demonic structures, and, uh, and authority that I didn't realize. Like, there's levels to the game of spiritual warfare. Let's just say that. Yes. Principality level, occult level, and then like personal demons, you know, we're casting demons out of people. Yes. Yeah. There's all. Yes. And I think what's, what's really important and why I'm very enamored by what God has given you the stewardship for is this isn't something you just rolled out of bed and you decided, I'm going to go pick a fight with principalities. This is something that you had to like, that's black belt level spiritual warfare stuff that you learn over time. Right. And I think a lot of, a lot of believers are, are extremely gifted and called to spiritual warfare. But you, you need to know when God is giving you a grace to actually participate in that assignment. I'm guessing by how you'll teach us some of that stuff today that it's not something that's wise to do on your own, but to do in partnership with other believers and covering with, uh, like greater people who have greater spiritual rank than you. Yes. These are all things I'm just kind of sharing out of ideation. But, um, but as somebody who feels very called to go deeper into these realms of political influence, media influence, things like that. That's one reason why. Well, the Lord's opening your, was allowing you to have your eyes open. Oh, yeah. In that principality realm, but you're marked and you're one that's called to influence mountains, spheres of influence. And you were in LA and you were in the heart of, you know, Hollywood and you were literally in the heart of arts and entertainment and even media. And so therefore, those principalities were not happy you had entered into their region. So it's the Lord allowing you to understand and it's also an attempt of intimidation and it was also your gift of discernment. Yeah. And that this is really a battle. And when you're going to start going into like what you're saying, these different realms, media, arts and entertainment, you know, political, all these different areas, there are high ranking war, not even just city level principalities, even, you know, that would influence nations and world. Hollywood was doing that. And so, you know, we have to have understanding of these principalities and these powers. Did they get there? How did the enemy take what is not his? The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. Right? You know, and so he can't do it without mankind sinning and partnering with him repeatedly. Right. So that's how a principality. First of all, can you explain what a principality is?

Yeah. A principality is a part of Satan's hierarchy, right? And so, um, Ephesians 6:12, and I've got it memorized in like about four different versions, so you kind of get a mix of all of them, right? Yes. But Ephesians 6:12, our battle is not against flesh and blood. Yes. And we need to understand that our battle is not against flesh and blood, but it's against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, spiritual wickedness of of spiritual wickedness in heavenly places, right? And so, um, and so our battle, and if I had my Bible in front of me, I would read whatever translation and I would get the whole thing right in that translation. But Ephesians 6:12, so Paul literally lists what our battle is against. Yeah, these are different ranks of the demonic realm. So you've got personal demons, right? You've got demons that people, when they're involved in a cult, like they're involved in Satanism, witchcraft. I was sharing earlier the story about Amalonga. These people that were involved in shamanism. This is where people are coming together and they're worshiping, uh, a demonic entity, practicing witchcraft practices, uh, and it's empowering it. Then you've got principalities. These are like, some people will call a master spirit, a territorial spirit. These are high ranking. Like we have Michael, Gabriel, and the angelic army, right? They're archangels. These principalities are like the archangels of Satan's demonic hierarchy. Wow. And these are the ones that will influence world leaders. They're going to influence, or be over cities. They're going to be over regions. They're going to be over nations. They're going to be over spheres of influence, mountains of influence where they keep people groups. They keep regions bound in darkness. Like when you went into LA, you guys felt that darkness that, and it was suffocating. You had to get out. And it was interesting cuz it was marked by the geographical boundaries. Yeah. Of the city. So when we, when we got on that on-ramp to the highway, it was like we were leaving that jurisdiction, right? Of what was going on in that city. So I'm going to, I'm going to give this visual. A principality is going to be like in that second heaven realm. Okay? And what they do is they're like over that whole territory. And there can be more than one. There can be several over a region. And what it does is it causes like that oppression. It causes that darkness. It causes there to be crime. It causes there to be killing. Causes there to be death, causes there to be abortion, perversion, you know, those kinds of things. And, and what happens then? People that live in that region, it kind, it makes it difficult to penetrate in that spiritual atmosphere, uh, for people to hear the truth, for people to receive the gospel, and for people to respond to the Lord. Yeah. And how those principalities get established. If Satan could do this at will, the whole earth would be like this, right? There would not be any along. But when mankind continues to sin and partner in their sin, it can be through idolatry, it can be through a perversion, it can be through killing, it can be through covenant breaking, it can be all these different open doors that of sin that have happened repeatedly and also with influential people. And it empowers and and welcomes those principalities to be established over a city, region, people group, social network, a sphere of influence. And so it's us that have to come and we have to repent. Yeah. Often times when we have a prayer assignment, we will, the Lord will tell us we have to engage in identificational repentance, which is exactly what Nehemiah did before he went and he rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem. He was praying and he said, 'Lord, forgive me and my forefathers for how we have sinned against you.' And so, uh, often times when we discover how did this principality like over LA, right? Um, obviously you're there's going to be a strong, uh, a principality of perversion. There is going to, because all the perversion, there's going to be an antichrist spirit. There's going to be a spirit of death. There's going to be witchcraft. And you know, there's a lot of high level Masonic activity in Hollywood that people engage in. So you have all of this type of behind closed doors, and I know I just opened up a whole can of worms, but it's really true. Illuminati level. It's very well known. But we're seeing now with all this, the Epstein files that are being released, like all these conspiracies are just, they're they're unfolding right now. Now it's no longer conspiracy. It's it's no longer conspiracy. It's reality. And so all obviously all this has been going on in Hollywood, right? And so you've got all of this that's been happening. And so that's a, those are principality levels. So when you've got Masonic, you've got Illuminati, you know, they're coming together, they're meeting in private, they're doing occult rituals, you know, ceremonies that line up with ancient principalities, you know, from Babylon. You know, we were you were talking about the queen of heaven. You know, they'll do ceremonies and rituals empowering Isis, Isis, which is the queen of heaven that was worshiped in ancient Egypt, and that the pyramids were built to, that these temples were built to, that they worshiped her as the moon goddess. You had Osiris, the sun god. You had Horus, who became their savior child of Egypt, who was like, uh, the all-seeing eye. What happens in these ceremonies? Like in Hollywood, they'll do these initiation rituals and they're giving allegiance to these entities in these ceremonies and rituals, calling out their names, reciting their names, and and it empowers these principalities over cities and regions and people groups. And so these are like the archangels of Satan's army.

Um, and so, and they will keep people gripped in bondage. And so, you know, it's our job to pray and it's our job to see them defeated. And we get the privilege to partner with the Lord in dealing with these principalities and powers. And now, not everyone feels called to do this. I'm looking right at the camera when I'm saying that, you know, but there's a great responsibility with this. This is not woohoo. Look at the authority that I have. People are like, and people, some people will say this, Cap, they have said to me, this is why I wrote my book, Glory Warfare. And because, um, some people will say to me, um, "Are you a lover or are you a warrior?" And my response is, "Yes." But some people will say, "Well, if you war, I can't run with you because I only run with lovers." And so when I was writing Glory Warfare, Isaiah 60:1-3, "Arise, shine, for your light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you. Darkness covers the earth, deep darkness the people, but the glory of the Lord shall rise upon you and be seen on you, and nations and kings will come to the brightness and dawning of your new day." And you can just keep reading Isaiah 60. Yes, that's a word for Israel, but this is a word for us as the church. Matthew 16, "I give you keys to the kingdom. Whatever you bind on earth must be bound in heaven," right? You've already referenced that. When keys were given over in Jewish culture, it didn't mean you were just housesitting. Like when I vacation, we live on a ranch. We have four horses, two cows. We got a new border collie puppy named Blue. He's so cute. And so we have barn kitties. And so, but when we have people come and housesit, we give them keys to our house, right? But it's different in Jewish culture. When keys of the kingdom or keys were given over to something you owned, it meant you were given the full authority as if you were the master of the house yourself. Wow. "I give you the keys to the kingdom. Whatever you bind on earth must be bound in heaven. Whatever you loose on earth must be loosed in heaven." This is what Isaiah 60 is talking about. Isaiah was prophesying destiny of the eklesia and he was prophesying destiny and the authority of the church to rise. Shine for your light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you. So, first rule, we're going to engage in warfare. And I love this because you've already talked about this in your testimony. We have to be, we have to be walking a surrendered life directed by Holy Spirit. We can't tear down what we're holding up. If we have sin in our lives, if No, no, no. We there are times we sin, but I'm saying we have major sin in our lives. Unforgiveness, bitterness. We live a lifestyle of sin. We're not pursuing righteousness and holiness and purity. Not even out of obligation, but just out of a relationship with Jesus and wanting to be like him. Lord, make me holy, like you are holy. I surrender to you. Yeah. So, we're living a directed life by Holy Spirit. Right. And, and we're walking in that personal relationship with him. I tell people the enemy knows the sound of glory and he knows the fragrance of glory. So, do we smell like heaven? Wow. Can we walk into a room and what we carry begin to shift the atmosphere? We bring heaven to earth, right? And so, glory, the word kabode, and let me explain this a little bit. People are like, what does that have to do with warfare? Everything. And I know you want to even talk a little bit about the queen of heaven, but I just want to establish this foundation because we will talk about her. And so, but, um, glory, this word kabode, it means splendor or wisdom. It means honor, right? And this isn't just we encounter Jesus and he has all of these attributes, but when we are walking in a surrendered life with him and encounter him, these are awakened in us. Yeah. Wisdom, honor, right? It means a manifestation of his power. It means, uh, glorious presence. It means a reward in our inner man, a reward in our inner person. And then from that place, you and I rise up to be men and women, sons and daughters, rulers of high rank, and ones who govern with him in spiritual authority. That word kabode, that's what it means. Wow. Arise, shine, for your kabode has come. And it's seen on you and it's heard on you and it's in you and it surrounds you. It's a part of our kingdom of heaven inheritance. So glory from his presence, there's no defeat. Yeah. In his glory, only victory. So when we encounter him in his presence and he begins to speak to us intercession assignments, right? There's not defeat. Right? There's victory. So when we come from his presence, then we engage in warfare from that place of his presence. This is why worship is so powerful because worship brings his presence. It glorifies him. So from that place is when we engage in warfare. The greatest lovers make the greatest warriors because we have a cause to fight for from and to fight for.

Yeah, I love that. Can I, I would love to hear from you, um, a story of note where God gave you guys an assignment of a specific region. Um, so there's a few different questions I'd like to ask as you like as you kind of hit it, but give me an example of a of a city or a region where I like the juicy stories. Like what's what's been like the most like glorious story of where God brought something, brought a stronghold down? Oh, principality down. We have many. Any meenie miny mo. No, I don't mean that pridefully. We just, we have so many. Um, yeah, I could, I'll share two. Okay. Um, one, um, you know, happened many years ago in the city of Houston, but this was very significant and this is one reason why I love to share this story because people can really grab hold of this and relate to this. So I'm sure you have heard of who Marilyn Manson is. Yes. Yeah. The satanic rock scene, right? Yeah. And, um, and so he was coming to the city of Houston years ago and this is when we still lived in Houston. And, uh, we had been praying that the homicide rate would drop in the city of Houston and it had dropped drastically. And, but he was coming to the city to do a concert. So they begin to announce it on the Christian radio station. So all the pastors begin to say, "Pray, Marilyn Manson's coming to our city to do a satanic rock concert. Pray." So pastors gathered to pray.

Pause right there. The Christian radio station was like, Christian radio station. I know, I would never hear a Christian radio station do that right now. Right? Of like, this person's coming to town, begin praying. It's almost like we're not going to even address that. We're just going to focus on, we're just going to focus on this, the Chris Tomlin music and which is great, which is great, but you know, they were like releasing a clarion call sound, "We do not want this influence over our youth." And the city responded. Let's bring it back. The church responded. See, see what we can do. You know, this. Yeah. Fired up. This is what I'm talking about. Right. And so, and so we responded. We heard it and we're like, and so, and they were hearing about it before it went really public. Yeah. And so pastors begin to pray. Uh, and then prayer groups begin to pray. There were 24-hour prayer vigils that would begin to happen, prayer chains. And I said, 'Lord, what do we do?' And he said, "What you've been taught, what I've been teaching you to do." So, we researched. How did this man, Marilyn Manson, the Lord told us to do this. He was not that, that's his stage name. His his real name was Brian. He was raised in a, uh, very legalistic Christian home. Uh, borderline really not okay. But meaning the pastor prophesied every Sunday, Jesus is returning tomorrow and he never came. And he meant it and it never happened. Oh, jeez. You know, that kind of fiery, just off. And so, and he was not real athletic. He was real artsy. He was born in Ohio. It was a, you know, ath, you know, being athletic was good. So, he was picked on at school. And, um, he became friends with this other kid. They went out to a barn. He was at, at his home, his friend's home. Went out to the barn at night and he said, "Let me," his friend said, "Let me show you what my brother does." And they went up in the loft and his older brother was involved in witchcraft and Satanism. And they opened up a book of curses and they began to pray, speak it, just read it out loud. And, and even on old interviews with him, he'll say it was like a portal to hell opened and he was still paying the price for that to this day in his life. So he was upset, he was picked on, he shifted over into Satanism. When he formed the band, he had just, he also had been ordained by Anton LaVey, who wrote the Satanic Bible, as a priest for Satan. When he started the band, he required every band member to take on the name of a famous female actress and the last name of a famous serial killer. Therefore, this is how he got his his stage name. Marilyn Monroe, Charles Manson, Marilyn Manson. So, every other band member has a stage name like that. So we, we literally got their birth names, researched it, knew all this history. That we went and prayed in front of the theater the day of the concert. And, and we, um, and we began to pray for salvation for him, for all of the band members. We begin to pray for salvation for those that would be attending the concert because when he would come into a region, kids would go, young kids would go home or teenagers and commit suicide. Um, the suicide rate would go up drastically, really, because of the lyrics of the songs. They were so tormenting and it would release death in the atmosphere and hopelessness and torment. So a lot of children and teens would go home and commit suicide. And we were not going to allow it to happen on our youth in our city. See the ownership that we take when we steward what God has given us. Yeah. And so we re, did all this research, went, prayed for the band members, prayed for the fans. Then we shifted into warfare prayer. We said, "We speak confusion in the enemy's ranks. This concert won't happen. We took authority over witchcraft. We took authority over the spirit of death. We said, 'We stand as prophetic watchmen in this city. And we shut the door to you now in Jesus' name. This concert will not happen and our kids will not commit suicide.'" And then we went and ate steak because spiritual warfare makes you hungry. And we lived in Texas. It's true. It does. It really does. But what was amazing is, uh, Doug Stringer, an evangelist in the city, they, he got his evangelist teams and that night when the, before the concert happened, they went up and down and they got 15 kids saved out of the line. Christian group rented the outdoor park and started singing Christian music in the direction of the auditorium. Seven pastors bought tickets on the back row to go in that night to pray that that concert would shut down. Now, that could really offend a lot of people's religious spirits. Yeah. But listen to the, what happened on the second song. One of the fans was had an alcoholic beverage and he was walking by the soundboard. He tripped over the tape on the floor and literally, through the alcoholic beverage flew out of his hand onto the sound system. The whole sound system was shot. They couldn't even start the second song. Nothing worked. The monitors didn't work. All the special effects were going off at the same time. He went off the stage. No concert that night. And two weeks later, the mayor of the city of Houston met with the city council. And at that time in history, he passed legislation making it illegal for a satanic concert in the city of Houston. No way. Yes. So I'm saying like that, right? And so that is something we can all do this. Like you hear how the church rallied. Yeah. And it was, and everybody did their part and look what happened. And not just like, and by the, like I want to emphasize this. It wasn't just a concert that got shut down. It was satanic worship. A gate. It was a gate that got shut. A demonic gate. Sound gate. Wow. Talking about sound. Yeah. We shut it down. And so, and, and that happened. Then Charisma magazine heard about this. We wrote the testimony up and that's how that happened in seven other cities since then. People reading that testimony when he was coming to shut the concerts down. So I mean, we're, we, this is how we are called to function. And so let me give you, um, another example. I could, you know, um, we go in and out of different nations. So we were going in and out of Spain and I've gone in and out many times. And, um, when we were in one area working with leaders, they said, um, they, and we were praying throughout the nation of Spain. I could go into so much history. I'm really, but you're talking about queen of heaven, right? And this queen of heaven is an ancient principality from Babylon, a moon goddess that is worshiped in the form of idolatry that is worshiped by the name of Ishtar and witchcraft, Diana by Wiccans, uh, Lilith by people in Rosicrucianism, Kabbalah, that drives a lot of abortion practices, that's behind the feminist movement. These are ancient. You can get my book. Oh, it's okay to say that. Dethroning the Queen of Heaven. It talks about the whole history of this ancient principality and people are like, well, that was Babylon time, Anana, and Ishtar. Well, these principalities have never gone away. They've just rebranded. Rebranded. Rebranded. But the same exact. And I give the history of how that has happened throughout history and time and how they're manifesting today. My goodness. So we have been praying in the nation of Spain and the region that my friends lived in and the leaders that we work with. And we never do this level of warfare by ourselves. We never do it presumptuously. This is an eklesia act. Whether two or more are gathered together in my name, I am there in their midst. I can cast a demon out by myself. But when I start contending against world powers or principality powers, I want a team. It's an eklesia act. There are never ever ever ever any lone rangers in this. You have to know who you are warring with. I know you, Cap. You know, we're, I can tell we're going to be friends, right? I already feel the heart connection, right? But there's people I'll go to lunch with. There's people I'll go to war with. And it's different. Yeah. I want history with who I'm warring with. You don't. We want to make. We want to know there's not an open door. Are they in sin? Have people been through deliverance? Have they been set free? Have they renounced Freemasonry in their bloodline? Have they renounced the Queen of Heaven? Any open door that might be in their bloodline from occult practices, idolatrous worship, and we want those doors shut. And we want to go in God's timing. We have to understand the times and the seasons that we're in. And so these are all like rules of engagement. Uh, we want people that are connected to the local church, that are connected to ministries that, that have good healthy relationships, that are submitted spiritual leaders, submitted to spiritual leaders, have accountability in your life. And that is not a dirty word. And I think we've moved away from that too much in the church and in the body of Christ. There's no way I would do what I am doing in my calling without accountability and spiritual alignment in my life. There are always people that know more than we know and we need their wisdom and we need their prayers and we need their blessing because this is an eklesia act. I mean, a physical, uh, you know, one person is not going to go out and take on a whole army by themselves in the natural. It requires trained warriors, a battalion, you know, a platoon, you know, it's a group that comes together that has been trained to do what they're doing. They're single focused on this task. And so, it's the same in spiritual warfare.

I want to ask you a question. Can I interrupt you real quick? Yeah. Cuz I think it's, um, I think we can underestimate that it is real warfare. It's, it's not, we're not playing war. It's real warfare. Um, and you made some comments that I thought were really interesting about doing doing battle with people that you have history with, doing battle with people that you know don't have open doors. And, um, I, I'd like to talk about, if you're able to, the reality of spiritual kickback if you're not careful. And, and I think of a story of, um, the Israelites when they're going into the promised land. Yeah. And they had this one victory. It's the first place that they'd marched around, which is Jericho. And they marched around the city of Jericho as God directed. And the walls came down. And that was this, that was the level of spiritual warfare that manifested in the physical realm of their obedience and then shouting on the seventh time around on the seventh day. But God specifically said, "The spoils are mine," right? "Don't take anything in from this place." And there's this guy named Achan, who took something that wasn't, that didn't belong to them because God said, "None of that, you guys can't take any of the spoils here." And so then they go into Ai. Yeah. And they go and try to do warfare and then they get their tails handed to them. Yes. And they were like, "What happened?" Well, what happened was there was sin in the camp. There was, um, there was an open door. There was a, a in the armor. Yeah. Because Achan had had these, you know, had the, um, the defiled goods. He had taken the spoil that didn't belong to him. So they took Achan, they stoned him to death, right? To like basically appease the wrath of God. And they, the valley where all the rocks were was then called the Valley of Achan. And so I share that because I, I really sense that that's like a, a very strong picture for us about the reality of going into these battles, right? Not consecrated, not prayed up, not with the right people. And there can be, there can be real repercussions of us stepping into territory that we don't have a grace for or, or at least we're not prepared for. Is that a reality or am I just making that up?

No, it's a huge reality. And this, this is how we function in spiritual warfare. And there can be kickback. You know, some people will call it backlash, counterattack. Sure. And, but if there are open doors, like what we've just talked about, then, you know, there's sin in the camp. Uh, people are walking in unforgiveness, they're walking in, you know, bitterness, uh, they, you know, they, um, harbor vengeful thoughts, you know, in their mind that they entertain. I mean, you know, we want purity, but we also want to be making sure that we, for, we live a lifestyle of forgiveness. Uh, you know, with what we do in, in contending with principalities, you know, if I have an issue in my heart and I can't get that resolved, then I'm going to somebody. I'm submitting myself to a leader and I'm saying, "Please pray for me and I need to repent and I need, I need you to pray that this wound is healed in my heart that I have no offense in my heart because that becomes an open door." And so, but Achan, he took the plunder. There was sin in the camp and that affected all of the children of Israel and the battles that they were to have victory in. And so, the same is true if there's sin in the camp, there will be a lot of backlash and a lot of counterattacks. So when people pray with me, I know who they are. I know their personal lives. I know if you know, have you gone through personal deliverance? You know, what were the issues you've walked through that you've come through that you've overcome? You know, and we have relationship. There is very close personal relationship, which is very important. And so you cannot, like I said earlier, tear down what we are holding up. And I believe this is why so many people have gotten such severe backlash and counterattack is because they have warred with people. They might not have sin in their life, but maybe they've warred with people they don't know. People have had an open door that have prayed with them that they don't know. Maybe they've, they have that the assignment has been given to them, but maybe it's been done presumptuously or too quickly. Maybe there isn't an, you know, an alignment, spiritual authority in their life that's blessing them and covering them. These can all become, you know, open doors. Wow. And so when there's sin in the camp, it can affect the whole team and there can be backlash and counterattack. And, and so, uh, we don't, we, that's why we know who we war with. And there are many testimonies I could give you of people that have done spiritual warfare at this level unwisely by themselves where they almost died. I have a friend, very dear friend, and, um, and she's a part of our prayer network and a leader and she has incredible authority. She's doing a great work in her region. But when I met her, she was almost dead. She looked like a prisoner of war. Her body, she couldn't eat. Her body would hold no nutrition. She drove five hours to be in a teaching I was at on spiritual warfare. And the leader said, "Will you pray for her at the end?" And I said, "Yes." And what she had done, she had zealously identified principalities in her city and started going after them by herself without a team, without telling anyone, without intercessors praying for her, without a spiritual alignment, accountability covering. You know, she was just zealous and had a passion for her city, which was good, but she warred unwisely. And the spirit of death that she was breaking over her region came on her and tried to kill her. And so I pray, she repented. When I prayed for her, she said, "I know what, what has happened. I, and I've repented to the Lord, but I, I just want to confess it, Becca, and for the sake," she knew all this, "the sake of the process, repent again, Lord, forgive me, you know, for in my zealousness." And, you know, her heart wasn't even evil in what she was doing or sinful. But she just followed, she just all did all things unwisely and she repented. But then I broke that death off of her and she got healed. The Lord healed her and she is now, you know, her ministry is thriving. She's having impact across the state. She has conferences that have 600 to a thousand people that come to to hear about warfare. She's praying governmentally at a state level. They're calling her in asking her to do spiritual warfare assignments. I mean, she was, I think when I met her, she was 88 pounds. And we, we prayed and we broke that death off of her and she instantly got set free. She got healed and now she's thriving. And so that's just one example of why we tell people, practice rules of engagement. And, you know, that we teach before we do spiritual warfare. And this is why so many people can have backlash and counterattack. And she really wasn't even walking in a personal sin issue. And I'm not saying that to promote fear. I'm saying that to share wisdom. Yeah. There's wisdom in warfare.

Well, yeah. It's, there's a fear of the Lord that is wise. It's like, I, we're just reading through Exodus right now as a church. Moses says in Exodus 20:20, um, you know, like, don't, he says this interesting phrase, it's almost like, don't worry, the fear of the Lord is meant to keep you from sin, not to keep you from him. Right? You see what I mean? Yes. And so he's like, don't worry, like your fe, the fear of the Lord's good. Like, wait, what? So, but that's the point. The point is not to draw you away from God. It's actually to push you closer to God, closer to him. And keep you in this place of like, Lord, as long as I'm with you and I'm right with you and I'm walking by faith and, uh, just continually like being cleansed by the blood, we're good. But, um, I mean, I don't know. I've, I've done so much in my life where I've like said, "I've got it from here, Lord." And it's like, zing. Then then you just experience some that kick back. You get punched in the mouth. You're like, "Okay, um, forgive me for that. That was dumb." That's so, uh, I'm so glad we went there because I, because what's interesting about this culture that we live in right now, unfortunately, and, and now in the midst of, uh, a lot of, you know, people who have massive ministries in the charismatic space and all that, you know, they're falling or they're being exposed. And what's, what's being bred in a lot of people, and I know this because a lot of people follow me, or follow my friends who have great podcasts and stuff. There's a lot of Christians who say, "I don't need the church. I got my YouTube podcast I listen to." And it's like, you are in a really dangerous place if you think that you can operate in this level of spiritual warfare as a rogue sheep. That's exactly right. You know what I mean? Cuz the wolf loves to pick off the isolated sheep. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Got to be very careful. You have to be very careful. And I'm so glad that you're saying that because it's very true. And a lot of people, you know, we, I meet a lot of people, oh, I don't, they'll maybe come to a gathering or they come to a conference, but I don't go to a church. I don't, I'm not plugged in locally. And, or I'm not plugged in in a healthy Christian group or Bible study, home group, church, you know, being connected in. And, um, and we, you know, and we have to be a part of the church and of the eklesia. And we have to be connected. There is no rogue, especially there should be rogue in Christianity, period, right? It's the eklesia. Eklesia is a legislative body. It's a team. Rogue is really satanic if you think about it because Satan, rogue is the author of rogueness. Of, "I'm going to go do this on my own." He went rogue. He, he went rogue. He took a third of the angels with him. And there's other, you know, we could talk about that demonic realm, what fully makes up the demonic realm, that's a whole other, but you know, you know, there's a whole other discussion, but we could talk about that. But I'm just saying, he took angels with him as well. They went rogue and Lucifer became Satan. Yeah. And so this is a satanic attempt in someone's life to cause them to go rogue. And so I just want to speak to that, be connected in. And, um, and so let, and I want to share this testimony because I think this will encourage people. Can I do that, please? And so when we, we had been going into Spain, we were in this region, Calispara, and they had this high place that had this idol and they called her, uh, the Virgin of Hope. Now, I'm going to say this, people are going to be like, "Ah, what?" When I'm talking about this, this is pure idolatry. Jesus was not worshiped. Jesus was not looked at. People would crawl on their hands and knees 4,000 feet up a hill to bleed in front of this idol. That's a, that is a glorified Barbie doll that when you take her robe off, underneath her arms are sticks and, you know, they're bowing to this idol and saying that she's their their way to salvation. And, um, and people would dedicate their children when they were born in the region to her. And they, there was a room to the side and they'd get a wax little figurine, put their child's name on it and hang it in the dedication room with the thread around the neck and hook it. And kids were killing themselves, committing suicide by hanging at the age of 18. So these are basically like little voodoo dolls almost. Yes. And so, and, Oh my gosh. And so the pastors were like, "Can you go up here and pray?" And I, that we work with in the region. I said, "Sure." And we prayed and the Lord said, "Go pray." So we went up to pray. And the first time we were up there, we broke the spirit of death, the child baby dedication to this idol, this moon goddess, queen of heaven. They, her name actually changed over time. In ancient times, this was also where ancient forms of the queen of heaven were worshiped. Like Manurva was one of the names, which is the Roman goddess of war, um, and wisdom. She's war and wisdom all at the same time. There were just different names in that region in that high place and then it shifted to this idol of the Virgin of Hope. And so kids are killing themselves. So we went up and we broke that power of death and suicide. From that first assignment in 2004 in that city, there has not been one other suicide of an 18-year-old killing themselves by hanging themselves. Whoa. And so I came home, came back a couple of years later. Becca, you have to see something. Now, this is in a high place. It was in a cave and it was surrounded by a mountain. When we drove up the ca, the s

The mouth of that cave, the mountain used to come over it right where they this idol was that they would go and spill their blood to worship. And the mountain started crumbling and literally had receded back and was cracking, and they had to put fencing up to hold it in its place so it wouldn't cave in on the cave where people would come to worship.

So, at that time, the Lord told us, "Break the witchcraft, break the idolatry, break the empowerment of this ancient form of the queen of heaven that's just changed names over time in this region." And we did that, and we prayed, and we broke it. Then the young people in their church went up every Friday night and stood outside the entrance, and they would, with their guitar, and they would sing worship songs to Jesus when people were walking in to do their demonic worship.

And so then I came back, and, um, they said, "There's, you know, the mayor, like literally, the mayor had become friends with them now." And they said, "He's given us permission in the city plaza to hold this worship gathering, prophetic worship sound gathering with 3,000 people." And they said, "And Becca, we're doing it on the day where they're doing a ceremony by taking an ox-drawn cart up the side of the hill with a wreath specifically made to re-empower this idol."

"Oh my goodness."

"And the mayor has given us permission to have an outdoor 3,000 people prophetic worship." And so I was like, "This is awesome." So I go, come back home. My phone started exploding that night with pictures and text messages when they were worshiping that day. And the ox cart literally got to the boundaries of the city limit and it stepped over because it had to go through the city, the ox cart with the wreath all the way up 4,000 feet to the top of that hill. And when the ox stepped over into the city limits where they were worshiping Jesus, the ox dropped dead, and blood started spilling out of its body, unexplained.

"No way."

"There was no rededication that day. I'm just saying."

"Oh my goodness."

Not only that, the foundation funding this idol worship went bankrupt. The idol carriers started coming to the church. They got saved and got baptized in the river right next to where that flood would was flowing, right next to where the entrance of the cave was, which at that point had flooded twice and come over the top, um, into the cave and into that sanctuary, flooding twice. And so literally, the whole worship is almost completely dead now in that region. And salvation and healing and the glory of the Lord breaking out in that city.

Not only that, then the Lord told them, "Buy land and plant peaches and a peach and nectarine orchard." So they did, and their orchard started producing within 3 years double the harvest of what all the other orchards that have been there 15 to 20 years were producing.

"That, okay, that is awesome."

"Right."

"Well, it's like, cuz it's not just, I think that's one thing that we got to remember too, and one thing that kind of irritates me about a lot of people in the prophetic movement, and this is coming from somebody in the movement, this is coming from someone who's very prophetically interested and..."

"Right."

"...and, uh, involved, but..."

"There's so much emphasis on like, 'Take down the enemy.'"

"Right."

"Which is important, 100%."

"There's not a lot of emphasis on, 'Let's build up new, better systems.'"

"Right?"

"And I think that's something that is like desperately needed in, in the body, is is understanding that we are called to, we tear down the demonic infrastructures, but we need to build new righteous infrastructures that also that bring flourishing and prosperity to these places as well. And so it's so cool that it's so cool that this, uh, this whole system comes, this whole story comes full circle with the demonic fund that was funding all this worship was literally dried up, and then it was actually replaced with the Lord."

"Yes."

"Planting, giving a word to plant something new, to buy the land, first of all."

"Yes."

"Which, I, it's amazing to me how real estate matters so much to the Lord consistently throughout scripture."

"Right."

"But, you know, land is mentioned over 2,004 times in the word of God."

"Is it really?"

"Yes."

"Yes."

"So, you mentioned that real estate, it, land ownership is mentioned over 2,000 times in the Bible. And, um, and we know there's got to be an interesting connection here. If principalities are ruling over geographical locations..."

"The devil never creates anything. He's a thief who's come to steal, kill, and destroy. He counterfeits everything that belongs to God."

"...so how much more does land ownership actually matter to the kingdom of God?"

"That's right."

"Just preach. Just tell me whatever comes to your mind about the importance of land ownership for the kingdom."

"Yeah, land ownership for the kingdom is very, very important. You know, I said this earlier, the earth is the Lord's, the fullness thereof, right? Think about Romans 8, right? And I love when we read in Romans 8 and we're looking at like verses 18 through, uh, 21, right? Can I, I did not bring my Bible. Can I use your Bible to read it?"

"And I want..."

"You might get some random things that fall out of there."

"That's okay."

"All right. And so I don't know why I came to a Christian podcast without my Bible."

"It's okay."

"But I want, I want to read this, uh, correctly because this..."

"That'll be the NLT, by the way."

"Oh, I love the New Living Translation. I'm reading the Chronological Study Bible in the New Living Translation. Yeah, it's awesome. And so I'm going to read to you from Romans 8:18-21 because I can land on this and I can teach for forever. But this is our promise, and this is talking about the future glory, right? But it says, 'Yet what we suffer now is nothing.' I love that you have that circled. Sorry, I'm, I'm..."

"That's actually funny. You get all my intimate, like, notes and things like that."

"I know. Mine is all like this. And so now is nothing compared to the glory he will reveal to us later. For all creation..."

"...is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are. Thank you, Lord."

"...Against its will, all creation was subjected to God's curse, but with eager hope. See, when people, and I love the New Living TR, I got Jesus bumps. The New Living Translation, right, when I'm reading this because it's worded so well, because people read that in other translations and they think, 'Oh, it's a curse, so it's death.' No. When he released it, it was with hope because creation is waiting and eager expectation for the glorious freedom of God's son. So, I'm going to keep reading. The creation looks forward to the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death to decay. Now, let's think about this. This is a now word. When you study this, you look up in commentaries, you get on Logos Bible software, you do a deep dive, this is a now word. Every time it is read, we have already been promised not death, but life, eternal life, right? Not decay, not death, but eternal life to live with him. We're already walking in our glorious freedom and our inheritance. And we get to partner with him in bringing heaven on earth. Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Like these testimonies that I've been sharing, right? Almaonga, Spain, even what happened at the Marilyn Manson concert. We defeated death over our city and over the youth of our city, and and suicide, and life came in, right? And so this is our kingdom of heaven inheritance. And when it's talking about creation, it's meaning you and I, but it's meaning the land. It's meaning the whole entire earth, right? And so land and real estate mean something. Why? Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. You know, then we can jump back to the beginning, Genesis 1:26-28. And people say dominion is a bad word. No, it's not. It's in the Bible, right? And this is part of our inheritance, right? And and when people say, 'Oh, she's saying dominion. That that means, you know, dictatorship, ruling, everything.' No, no, no. This is our kingdom of heaven inheritance. And and God has called us to partner with him. When Jesus came, when he died on the cross and his blood hit the land and hit the ground, it brought redemption for us. But it literally said the whole earth shook. Golgotha shook. But when you look that up, literally all creation shook. And that word shook, one of the meanings is a cosmic disturbance in governmental affairs."

"Whoa."

"I'm a blood appropriator, Cap. You're a blood appropriator. And so, he wants us to bring heaven to earth. And he wants to see his kingdom come, his will be done. A harvest of souls. But when the righteous prosper, a city is exalted."

"But by the mouth of the wicked, it is destroyed."

"Thank you for saying that."

"And so, it's our inheritance. We have 75 acres right on a ranch in Colorado. We, my husband and I, you know, have farming families. We grew up around land. We love land. And and the Lord wants to bless us, um, with with land and with blessing in the land. But he wants to bless the city. So all creation means people. It means the land. It means the city that we live in. When he says all creation, he's not just meaning people. He's meaning everything that he has created. It is waiting for us, the sons of God, daughters of God, sons of God, to manifest the glorious freedom that we are walking in to set it free from the decay and death."

"Oh man."

"We are the ones that partner with him in bringing that hope."

"Think about Acts 4. Acts 2, they were baptized. Revival, Holy Spirit, Pentecost. Woo! Right?"

"Yeah."

"Acts 4, after Peter healed the man at the beautiful gate, the lame man, and then he and John, right, they were brought before the magistrate. They were brought before the Pharisees, Sadducees, and they, you know, kept them in prison overnight. I'm paraphrasing by Becca Greenwood, but they came before them the next day. And they said, 'Don't talk about what you've seen or heard.' I love Peter. What was his response? It's impossible for us not to talk about what we've seen and heard. They go back to the church. They tell the church what happened, right? And there, and this is tied into the land as well. We want to break the curses of defilement off the land and see the blessing come."

"Wow."

"And when they came back to the church and they told them what was happening, the church didn't shrink back. They began to pray. They reminded the Lord what he already knows. Lord, the nations are raging. Kings are standing against you. And they remind him and then they say, 'Now baptize us with fire. Baptize us with Holy Spirit for signs and wonders and healings and miracles, right?' And literally it said in that moment, 'The earth shook.' There was a trembling. And when you look that up and you study that word, that also means in that earthquake that occurred, there was a dislodging in the land of something that had defiled it and and gripped it of darkness. So even the Baptist, these are people that were already filled with the Holy Spirit."

"Yeah."

"We have to understand that when we begin to operate, there's a difference. Oh, I'm going to say it. There's a difference in authority that we walk in and that in dominion authority that we've been given as the church."

"Say that one more time."

"There is a difference of the understanding, let me say it this way, of our authority, uh-huh, that often we've been taught in the church versus our inheritance of the dominion authority that he has given us. We need to understand that when Jesus came and his blood was shed, right, not only was he bringing redemption for mankind, he is bringing redemption for creation. And we are the blood appropriators that have the dominion mandate to partner with him in spiritual warfare to defeat principalities, break defilement, break curses off of the land. Think about after Acts 4, after that happened, right? And then they prayed in Acts 5. After all of that is when the disciples were sent out and the apostles were sent out and they begin to turn cities and regions upside down for the kingdom of heaven. When Paul and Silas cast the spirit out of the slave girl, there was a python spirit of divination. And in that region, they worshiped Apollotheus. And so the women..."

"I did not know that."

"Oh yeah. Yeah. That was..."

"Apollo Pythus. Mhm."

"And so the women who were, and there was always women priests, and they were called Pytheus. And so this slave girl might have been a slave girl, but she was really good at her divination and fortune-telling. And everybody would go to them for them to conjure up in the demonic realm, uh, Apollo and and Pythus, and they would conjure it up and then they would tell people, 'This is when you marry.' I mean, they would go, they lived their whole lives by these these fortune tellers that were operating under this principality. So when Paul cast that spirit out, yes, they got brought before the magistrates. Yes, they were beaten and flogged. Worship. They were put in the deepest dungeon and they began to worship at midnight. They weren't in a pity party. They weren't, 'Lord, what's going to happen?' They began to worship the Lord. And when they did, there was an earthquake that shook the region, and everybody held captive to that structure, their prison doors flew open, and their chains came off, and they began to lead people to the Lord. And when the jailer woke, he him was going to kill himself. And Paul said, 'Don't harm yourself.' And he ran in and he said, 'Sirs, what must I do to be saved?' And that man and his family got saved. And and and the Lord began to move in that region. The earth..."

"...shook,"

"...shook,"

"...the ground shook."

"Pythus got cast out. Worship filled the void. The glory of the Lord confronted the defilement on the land. It shook, and everybody held captive to that structure was set free."

"Oh my gosh, that is amazing."

"So God's concerned about the land for breaking curses and defilement of the enemy off the land. This is not his. He always wants to take what is not his. He comes to kill, steal, and destroy."

"This is our inheritance, not his."

"For sure. But it's, it's, I actually, so I just wrote a book. It's called The Power to Prosper. And it's really about reclaiming what what biblical prosperity, financial prosperity actually looks like."

"Because it's such a, it's a, it's a topic that has been so misunderstood and abused. And it's like, you got two different gutters. You have, you have the greed gutter where it's all about your own personal materialism, etc. And then you have this other gutter, which is, um, deifying poverty."

"Yeah."

"And it's like, but there's this middle thing called the Bible, like scriptural promises. And, you know, I gave the definition of glory earlier. You know, one of the definitions is wealth."

"Is it really?"

"Of kabode. Yes."

"Doesn't surprise me at all."

"But, but it's, it's amazing because I just, uh, I feel like it's a revelation that the church really needs right now in order for us to, to fulfill this dominion mandate. And not, and it's also, it's a, it's a command that Jesus actually, yeah, 'Go and make disciples.'"

"Go and make disciples and occupy, like, go occupy the culture for the kingdom of God. And so..."

"He told Joshua, 'Possess the land.'"

"Possess the land."

"How long? You know, that Joshua even said, 'How long will you wait to possess the land that the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has given to you?'"

"Is there a connection too with possessing the land and having spiritual legal authority to actually like, bring the right structures to it? Or is that not a thing?"

"You mean like spiritually legal?"

"Yeah. I'm like, I'm wondering like, so, so we're talking about principalities and how the people who are in the land. So, by the way, if I'm not mistaken, a principality can be constructed in a region spiritually because of the sin, the collective sin of the people of that region who are like, 'We're going to do this. We're going to live this way.' And then they're invas, they're basically inviting that."

"They, they basically create like a legal right."

"A legal right."

"Yes."

"Yes."

"My question..."

"Satan is a legalist."

"Yes, he is a legalist. So my question was like, do, do you believe, and I don't know, so I'm not like fishing for the right for a certain answer. Just genuinely curious. Do, is there an advantage to believers actually owning the land, physically having legal right over the land versus just trying to, um, bring down a principality of a place as a foreigner or somebody who's not, doesn't have legal, um, jurisdiction over that spot?"

"Yes. I absolutely. I believe that it is important for us as believers to legally own land in the regions where the Lord has called us to."

"Wow."

"Now, and this is why, like, even when I gave that story about the Lord about Spain, the Lord called us in to start going in, but we're working with people in that nation and in that land that are there. They're investing. They have that legal right. So, this is why it's always important. Now, I do believe sometimes the Lord will give us assignments and the authority is is be, is we get the authority in the assignment because he's entrusted it to us. Like we have to go in and plow something open at times."

"But if you're really going to see his kingdom come, his will be done, you're called to Omaha, right? Or someone's called to this region. There has to be an investment in that region spiritually, materially, you know, uh, financially, physically, you know, that there has to be deposits that are made in that region in order for us to walk in the fullness of the authority that he, especially when he's calling us not only to revival and awakening, but we're called to be agents of reformation and transformation. Yeah."

"That whole story of Amalonga, right? They lived there. This is where they were, their lives were. And so when we, we want to see reformation and transformation come, then there is that legal right. I believe, you know, some other people might say, 'I don't agree with that, Becca.' But in my personal opinion, I believe ownership of land, having that authority, even legally by purchasing something, gives us great authority."

"Oh, you know what's so cool about you just saying that? I, so as I was reading Genesis, um, earlier this year, it says when, when, uh, Abraham's wife died, when Sarah died, he goes to these local landowners and he says, he's looking for a place where he can bury his wife. And he, um, he talks to them and he's like, 'How much for like a piece of property here?' And the guy said, 'You've been a friend to us. We want to give you the land free of charge.' And he says, 'No, I insist. I must pay full price for the land and I want to pay for it and the witnesses around the elders actually witnessing me purchasing the land.'"

"Such a great example."

"Going."

"Isn't that crazy? It's the first, it's actually the first example in scripture of a real estate transaction."

"Wow, that's so right."

"At least by man, I would imagine. So, you, but he, he purchases it, but he insists. He says, 'I need to pay full price and I want to pay for it in the presence of the elders to witness the transaction.' And so he does. And, um, and they actually say, like, 'The fair market price is this,' and so he pays for the fair market price in front of all of them. And I, I thought, like, there's a couple of principles that I pulled from that. One is, um, I call it the law of value."

"And it's the same law that you see David operate in when David, uh, he sins by taking the census and then this, you know, all these people start dying of this plague, and then he recognizes, 'I got to make a sacrifice in order to appease the wrath of God to, to so that these people stop dying.' And then, um, I think his name is Araha or Arauna is his name, is like, 'Hey, I'll give you the sacrifice free of charge.'"

"And he says, 'I will not give the Lord a sacrifice that costs me nothing.'"

"Come on."

"It's the law of value."

"Yes. The law of value. I love it."

"Yeah. Those who pay, pay attention. And Jesus said, 'Where your treasure is, there your heart is also.' And so..."

"So what you pay for, you value."

"That's exactly right."

"You know what I'm saying?"

"You sound like my husband."

"Good."

"He literally says, 'Your husband sounds like a very smart guy.'"

"You value."

"But, but I mean, the law of value, how you're teaching it, and you know, I'm just saying that because he always says that you value what you pay for. I tell people that, but this whole law of value, this is awesome."

"Yeah. So, so there's this this component of that, and then there's also this component of, it, I would imagine what's going through his mind is, I'm thinking not just for the transaction today. I'm thinking for generationally, right? For my kids' kids, that these elders will not be able to say, 'Well, he didn't actually pay for the land. I paid for the land. The transaction was made. You all were witnesses of it. This land belongs to me.' And and I think that's also part of the reason why he did it was so that, um, so that they, it would actually be his possession. It wouldn't just be hearsay or whatever, you know."

"Yes."

"So anyway, I, I think there's..."

"Well, and even think about another scriptural example, you know, and I'm maybe I'm chasing, you know, if you don't want to go this direction, but even, you know, the whole story, right? We're, you know, talking about Queen of Heaven, ancient moon goddesses, like Jezebel, right? They wanted Naboth's vineyard. Yeah. He owned that land that was not his. Jezebel took what was not their inheritance. And it's very interesting, you know, when you study Jezreel, right? And you study that region of Naboth's vineyard. This was actually the portion that was given to the sons of Issachar. And so, not only was Jezebel wanting that vineyard, she wanted the wis, she wanted to be over time. She wanted to be over inheritance. She wanted to be over resources. And are we not seeing in culture, even in nations and, uh, over cities and regions and nations, Jezebel manifesting, trying to rob the inheritance?"

"Oh, yeah."

"And and and so, you know, this idea of the land, Naboth's vineyard. He owned this, you know, and the enemy always wants to come and take the righteous inheritance."

"And it was standing in the way of their agenda. Like, agenda. Ahab went away sad. He was like, 'Oh, I can't have this little piece of land.'"

"It's like the, the, man, that's it's a thing about the World Economic Forum, right? And how the World Economic Forum is like, their their famous tagline is, 'You will own nothing and you will be happy.'"

"Yes."

"Which is great. It's so dystopian."

"It's totally that Queen of Heaven structure thinking of over overtaking territories and land. She will always be the one in operation when you see that happening. Just like what we saw."

"Interesting. Oh my gosh. I can't wait to have dinner with you tonight, cuz like, we'll have like the secret chapters of this."

"But think about this. In ancient Babylonian culture, everybody says the sun god was worshiped. Yeah, he was worshiped. But do you know where their resources went, Cap?"

"You'll read about this in my book, Dethroning the Queen of Heaven. The banking literally was held in the Queen of Heaven temples, and they would come and they would put their money and their resources at her feet because then it was sacred, and their wealth was dedicated to her. And you, I mean, the whole society revolved around Ishtar and the moon goddess and the queen of heaven, wealth, family, uh, whoever was chosen for government. They said Ishtar chose their kings, and this, you know, and they would literally engage in this horrible sexual perverse act. He would be chosen, and then he would go into the inner court of the Ishtar temple, Enana temple, and conjure up this manifestation, have sexual relations with her because then the whole entire land of Babylon would be a guaranteed fertility, and then he would be positioned as king the next day. Her gates, it was her gates that surrounded the whole city. Not only that, all of their resources and their wealths were put in the temple of Ishtar or the Queen of Heaven, who was manifested in their culture because it was sacred. And who's going to come and rob resources, uh, from the queen of heaven?"

"Whoa. Oh man."

"That's literally how their whole culture, whole culture was formed around."

"And that's the Babylonian."

"Yeah. So you think about that, and we trace it all throughout, like you're talking about the World Economic Forum, modern-day, uh, system of Babylon that is manifesting."

"Wow."

"Uh, so, and so when that, their tagline, what's their tagline again?"

"You will own nothing and you will be happy."

"Yeah."

"So, we've been doing a series on this podcast called, um, The Daniel Anointing."

"Oh."

"So Daniel's a guy in the Bible that I feel very, like, kindred spirit to."

"Yeah."

"And so we've been doing a lot of episodes about just tying in this, this, this anointing. I call it the Daniel Anointing, which is an anointing for being a, a person of influence in a wicked culture, and really for the sake of advancing the kingdom of God, more or less."

"Love it."

"And, and obviously, he's in the kingdom of Babylon."

"Mhm."

"And one of the things that he does is, uh, it's an interesting story because they don't really say it like this, but you can see evidence that he is warring against a principality in Babylon. He's praying three times a day."

"We see, yeah, the Prince of Persia. Yeah."

"So, he's he's fasting and he's praying and he has this encounter with Michael the Archangel who says, 'Dude, like, you have no idea what, like, why this thing has been delayed. There's 21 days. There's been a real battle in the, in the, in the second heaven around this thing, and, um, and the Prince of Persia has been delaying everything going on here.'"

"Yeah."

"So anyway, I just, there's a connection there of battling against this massive behemoth of a principality and not seeing breakthrough happen and having the breakthrough being delayed. And it's like, man, he, he was up against something pretty crazy. And I guess the, I'd love for you to just talk about this if you can, but I'm just thinking I'm seeing such a parallel with then and with what's happening now."

"Right?"

"Like, there's such, like, this, I feel like it's a, it's a very similar principality that we're facing right now in the culture."

"Yes. And that's why we must not shrink back. You know, I think, and, you know, like Daniel, right? He was fasting, then it was 21 days, you know, and then Michael, right, has been engaging this Prince of Persia, uh, in delaying the answer. I think sometimes because we are not fully seeing what's happening in the spirit realm when something is, doesn't happen as quickly as we think, sometimes in our Western belief system, we tend to shrink back. Our prayers aren't working. It's not having the effect that we thought."

"I feel like, uh, in my own life right now in certain ways."

"Yeah. And I think we all deal with that personally. But what we have to understand, if if our yes is yes, we're walking in obedience to the Lord, and we're standing firm. Delay does not mean denial. There is a spiritual battle that is raging around destinies. And there are, and there are more for us than against us. And I think sometimes, like what you were talking about with Michael and the Prince of Persia, what's happening is we're, we're praying, and there's a whole engagement that is happening in that, in that second heaven realm that we might not even be, uh, able to see or fully be aware of, but the answer will come. Don't shrink back. And that's something that we have to have understanding of. But we are dealing, like, with Prince of Persia. I mean, I could, you know, we've been doing a lot of, um, strategic work, um, in the Middle East. Uh, I'll say that, and, um, some very, uh, stealth assignments we have been involved in in the past 3 years, um, where we begin to see what is even manifesting, uh, there begin to, uh, lose its power and, um, begin to start collapsing, um, even though it's raging right now. That's because there, it's totally unraveling and collapsing."

"And and it's because there has been a lot of strategic assignments engaging in the second heaven."

"Really?"

"Mhm. And very stealthfully. And there's more that needs to happen. But I'm just saying, Prince of Persia, like you're talking about World Economic Forum, you're talking about relating to Daniel, we are in a day and a time where these ancient principalities and like this Prince of Persia, they are raging. And the Lord is calling Daniels, he's calling Josephs, he's calling Deborahs, he's calling Esthers to rise up to be the influencers in culture where it's dark, where it's corrupt, where it's pagan, and to bring the kingdom of heaven influence and the blessing. So don't shrink back, even when you are are battling personally and you, there's a delay, keep pressing in because there, the victory will come. There is breakthrough that is on the way, and we have to have understanding. I actually can hear a lot in the spirit realm and, um, and I see in closed visions, like in my spirit, sometimes I'll see open, as well, like our daughter Kendall, uh, sees open a lot. But, you know, do you see open visions like that? Do you see in the angelic?"

"Occasionally, not like consistently. It's happened only a few times for me."

"But there, in this second heaven, you know, there is, there is victory that is being released. Like I've shared with you, when we were praying at Marilyn Manson, shared with you when we were praying in Spain. Uh, there was one, there was one time we had been praying in Philadelphia, Mississippi. Saw an incredible breakthrough that happened in Philadelphia, Mississippi. And the next morning, we were in a church service, and the glory of the Lord just literally just caved into that, that church service, and we were prostrate on the floor. And I saw, and I heard in the spirit, and there were four angels that, uh, the Lord assigned to me. Now, we already had angels. Everybody has angels that are assigned to them that are partnering with them, helping them. But it was like these were warrior angels, and I saw them, and the Lord said, 'These, I'm assigning these angels to you because of what I've called you to do in the nations, and they will go with you.' Cap. It's amazing sometimes when we're standing on the land and we start worshiping. I can hear the clash in the second heaven, between the angels and the demonic. I can hear the, the victory that is unfolding in the spirit realm while we're worshiping, while we're praying on site, while we're, you know, releasing the prophetic declarations that the Lord is asking us to release. I can hear the demonic not happy, and I can hear the angelic engaging."

"Wow."

"And so I want to encourage people that there are more for us than against us. And that even if you're in a time of delay, don't shrink back because not only are you pressing in for that victory, but there's a whole, uh, unfolding in the spirit realm in the angelic that is occurring in answer being sent on assignment in answer to our prayers."

"Can I ask you practically how to do this? Because I'm thinking as we're talking about engaging principalities, like, what would be your protocol? Is there a certain process that you guys engage with as far as step one, step two, step three, step four? Or how do you approach it?"

"You mean like when we're actually on site addressing?"

"Yeah, I guess that's that would be part of it too, is like, is it, how important is it to be on site if God's inviting you into this versus doing it quote remotely?"

"Sometimes we can pray remotely and we'll see breakthrough, but proximity is power."

"Okay?"

"So, we're bringing the glory and the fire of the Lord to the demonic dark altars, and we're bringing his presence. And when we come with that glory, with his presence, with his fire onto those places when he tells us to. Yeah."

"You know, sometimes we can pray remotely and we'll see breakthrough. Other times it's like, 'You must go there, get your feet on the land, get your feet on the ground,' and, um, and bring the assignment there. And that's really when we have seen such incredible, uh, breakthrough is when we go and we pray on site like this. Proximity is power."

"So give, why don't you walk me through the steps of what happened? Was it God put on your spirit, 'Hey, this is, uh, this is something that he wants to go to war against.' You bring that to the team. The team prays through it. Like, walk me through what that process looks like, cuz I'm sure there's people listening right now who are like, 'Chomping at the bit. Right. Right. I want to, how do I get in the game?'"

"You know, so we talked about glory warfare, right? Yeah. So, when we do our prayer assignments, and this is what I want to say. There are some prayer warriors that are watching, and I'm just going to say this to you. I'm going to be mama in the spirit. Some people are coming from warfare from your head knowledge and not the presence of the Lord. And you wear yourselves out. Because sometimes when we just battle from what we know and we see in the natural, it wears us out because we're not fighting from his presence and his victory and his glory. We're fighting in our strength."

"That's so good."

"So that's why there's so many prophetic warriors that get worn out. They get tired. Our prayers aren't working. And, um, so we come from an abiding place. Uh, I can do a whole teaching on this. John 15, it talks about abiding, being vitally united to him. We, there, you know, Rhys Howes, intercessor, you guys can get a book that's called that, Rhys Howes Intercessor by Norman Grub. This is a man, uh, he shifted history during World War II when the with the Nazis. The Lord told him they had to battle against principalities and powers, and they did, and they did not shrink back until they saw that victory. Winston Churchill credits their victory because of those prayers."

"Really?"

"Yes. And so he knew about their prayer and their intercession. Um, and so, and and so they, so Rhys Howes would talk about this abiding place. It's vitally united to him. When you read John 15 and you're in this place of abiding, connected with him, walking in purity, walking in love, walking in his commandments, walking in obedience, it says in John 15, 'Ask me what you ask me what you want, and it'll be given to you.' Now, that doesn't mean he's our Santa Claus."

"Yeah."

"From his presence, from that abiding place, from intercession, hearing his voice, hearing the assignment, right? We're praying in agreement with him. So when we pray in agreement with how he's wanting us to pray, that's when we see that victory and that breakthrough. We're not fighting from the flesh. We're not fighting from head knowledge. So we'll hear in the, hear from the Lord. It might be a dream. It might be, 'Becca, you need to go into this city in our nation and you need to pray concerning this issue.' Now, people are like, 'You hear the Lord that clearly?' We do. He will speak to us that clearly about assignments that we are are to engage in. He will say, 'You need to pray this nation in this region,' and he'll start by speaking to us. So from that, we then start to pray, 'Lord, who's to be on this team? Who, when do we go? When is the timing of this assignment?' But then we start to do research. We start to learn, you know, that what we talked about, spiritual mapping. So we're studying the history of that region to discover what are the open doors of defilement, what are the open doors of sin that have happened repeatedly from over time from a root foundational issue that occurred. War, bloodshed, idolatry, all those things that we talked about, financial corruption, making covenants with the enemy, covenants with darkness, covenant breaking, all of those things, sexual perversion, laws that don't align up with the righteousness of God. You know, that can be an open door to defile the land. All of these things, we, we say, 'Lord, show us what we need to know.' And we're always praying while we're studying the history. We're always saying, 'Show us what we need to know.' So then we put the two together. And then we go and we will then pray on site at a location for how he's telling us to pray. Just like what I shared about the Marilyn Manson concert, right? They put that call out there. People started praying. I went to the Lord and said, 'Lord, what are we to do in this assignment? Is there an assignment you have in this? What are we are to do?' I asked, and he said, 'Form a team. You go and you pray in front of the theater and do all of that. Study how this band became demonic and get their birth name, pray for their salvation, but then stand against the spirit of death and witchcraft that is trying to come in and Satanism that's trying to come in, you know, with the youth.' And so that's what we did. So we hear the assignment, then we do the research, put the team together, and we go on site to pray."

"Wow. I love that. And so we come in like a very well-oiled, and, you know, I laughed earlier, Holy Spirit espionage. We're really like Green Berets in the spirit. We don't announce publicly real loud what we're doing. We sometimes we don't even talk about it till after we've done it. And, and because you don't want to announce out in the airwaves, 'Hey, we're going in. We're going to this dark place. We're going to do this.' We, all we don't talk about it till after the assignment and we've seen the breakthrough and the victory."

"How do you know when the breakthrough's occurred?"

"It's, it's evident. Like, it's evident like what happened with the Marilyn Manson concert, what happened in Spain. But let me say this, sometimes when you're praying on site, you're doing out of obedience what he's telling you to do, right? There are times, Cap, when we go on site to pray, he'll literally say to me, 'Just stand here and worship.' Don't even renounce anything. And so we'll do that. Sometimes he'll say, 'Let's do, you know, identificational repentance.' We talked about that, where we're repenting about the open doors that happened, you know, in the history on the land. And then we will, then he'll say, 'After that, then he'll say, 'Now specifically break, you know, the spirit of death, the witch, witchcraft, break the Queen of Heaven, break Diana worship, break Isis worship from ancient Egypt that is manifesting through Eastern Star, Freemasonry.' I mean, he'll say, and so we'll break those. Other times, he'll say, 'Worship, repent, open up the word, start reading scripture out loud that declares the goodness of God and what the blessing is in this region.' We'll do a prophetic act. We'll pour oil on the land. We'll pour salt on the land. Sometimes after we've broke, dealt with covenant breaking, you know, or covenants and packs made with darkness that we've broken off the land. And we'll do an act as together as a team of communion and saying, 'Lord, as a, you know, as we take communion here on this land, we're establishing a righteous covenant with you.' And we'll take stakes with scriptures written on them and drive them into the ground. You know, there's all, all different types of prophetic acts that he'll have us do."

"I think it's interesting how you have people who are in the occult who will go the extra mile to do spiritual warfare way more than most Christians are."

"Yes."

"I even think when, when President Trump was, you know, campaigning, there was all of these witches, right, who are like basically sounding the alarm, 'We're going to cast spells on on President Trump.' You had people doing that for Charlie Kirk."

"Yeah, you did."

"And so to see to see what you guys are doing, and it's truly, it, it is the pure version of what the enemy has stolen and counterfeit. I know you want to say something. Just go for it. You know, when the witches were saying that, right, um, cursing President Trump and, uh, before, um, this last election, the Lord told us, AC all across North America, to go to the ancient sites of of this occult queen of heaven worship. We're talking from, you know, we think Aztec and Mayan were only in Mexico, but that's not true. You know, that they were across all of North America. And so the Lord told us to go to these ancient locations and on the same day at the same time, we went on the summer solstice, and when they would gather at these places to do their occult empowerment, to do the curses, to pray. So, we did an assignment all across Mexico and North America on the same day, um, and broke the all of that occult empowerment in the witchcraft realm to be able to curse our nation and our president."

"Real soon after that is when it started to hit. Um, I'm laughing because there's going to be some people that are in the occult that are hearing this, but they literally started, um, releasing that their curses were no longer working on Trump. There was a scrambling around him. So, shift your praying to to empower Kamala."

"So, you guys were a part of the, the counter-intelligence for that."

"Yes. So I mean, you, you, I just want to, I just want to, you know, that's awesome."

"You know, and I want, I want to say this because you even saw me on, uh, spiritual counterterrorism. That's amazing."

"And you saw this on the other podcast. I just want to say this, you know, and and Cap, your testimony, right? You came out of, you were an atheist, right?"

"Yeah, I was an atheist. And then I started getting really into the New Age. So it went from atheism into..."

"Yeah. So New Age. You know, there was probably meditation happening. Oh yeah. It was like the early, like the, I was on the lower end of the spectrum of white magic, but I was getting into it for sure."

"So were you conjuring up or praying to someone specifically in your meditation?"

"I was not. Didn't get to that level yet."

"Get to that level. Okay."

"So there are many that are watching. You're probably dabbling some in the occult because I'm sure you listen to this podcast because it's Cap and we talk about warfare. Um, so I'm just going to say, Jesus loves you."

"Amen."

"And Jesus wants to save you."

"Amen."

"There are some of you that are dabbling with Lilith, Diana, Ishtar, Isis. Uh, some of you probably may be dabbling with Santa Muerte. Um, I just want to say to you, well, thank you, Lord. Uh, right now that, um, no matter how much you think they're protecting you, how much you think these Queen of Heaven principalities are surrounding you, there will come a moment where it will shift, and you will become the object that they want to kill, steal, and destroy. Because Jezebel was empowered by Asher, and she had them sitting around the table with her, the prophets of the Queen of Heaven. And their names also Asher, the prophets of Asher were also called dogs. So when Asher, when Jezebel was overthrown, the exact thing she worshiped killed her."

"Wow."

"So the enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy. So I want to say to you, don't be on the side of the enemy. Be on the side of Jesus because he comes to give life and to give it abundantly. And to all of you who are watching where you were wounded by the church, you have hurt wounds and it pushed you to darkness. I want to say as a leader in the church, please forgive us for every area where we shunned you that caused hurt and trauma, and come back to the heart of Jesus because he comes to give life and to give it abundantly. What you have worshiped in an offense against Jesus will turn on you, and it will kill, steal, and destroy you."

"Wow."

"Jesus is the only way, the only way to truth and life. So, if you're listening, and I know there are many of you in the occult to get intelligence that watch this, Jesus loves you. And right now, Lord, I pray for each of them that are watching, that are gripped in a demonic grip of occult, witchcraft, shamanism, queen of heaven worship, and satanic worship, that the deception is broken off of their mind. And in this moment, in this glory, they encounter you and they will be saved. He is the only way to eternal life. He is the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through him. Don't be killed, stolen, and destroyed. Don't be stolen from and killed and destroyed by the enemy. Step into the love of Jesus."

"Amen. Wow. Here's what I would tell the audience right now. First of all, we'll make sure they can get your book because you're, you're amazing. I want people to be able to get more of that. And also for those who are receiving that prayer, um, if you go to capchhatfield.com/jesus, we'll put a QR code on the screen. capchhatfield.com/jesus. You can learn a little bit more about what it means to begin a relationship with God. Yeah."

"And there's a simple form to fill out there to let our team know if you're ready to make that decision. We just got some prayer warriors that love to reach out to you and pray for you. And then we have some free resources to give you as well. But this is awesome. I, I wish I had like five more hours with you."

"Um..."

"But hopefully this is just the beginning of getting people trained up."

"Amen. Amen. And I was just obviously feeling the Lord so strongly, you know, so strongly on that, you know, and so Cap, you're reaching a lot of people. You're reaching people in the church, and you're reaching people that are lost in the world, and you're reaching people that are lost and trapped in darkness and the lies of the enemy. And I, I thank you for all that you are doing. And, um, this is, this has been awesome. I could keep going for hours and, you know, but I just felt the nudge of the Holy Spirit just to stop right then because in that testimony of what I just shared, there's some of those witches that were cursing President Trump that are watching you."

"Yeah, I believe it."

"And, um, so you're going to find Jesus along the way, and we're going to pray for you until you do."

"Amen. Amen. Well, this has been amazing. Thank you so much for joining us on Directed Life."

"Thank you. I'm honored to be here. We'll have to have you back. Seriously."

"Okay. I want to come back. The answer is yes."

"Awesome. Good."