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>> All right, everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Broadcasting Seeds podcast. Today we've got JT on the show. JT, can you tell us who you are, what you do, and where people can find you?
>> Yeah. And so, yeah, my initials are JT, and so my handle on pretty much all my social media is JTF follows JC. And I'm a Christian. I'm a Christ follower first. You can tell by the name hopefully. And I am somebody who is a truther. I used to kind of wear the conspiracy theorist on my sleeve, but conspiracies got so dumb lately. So, I'm trying to emphasize the truther part of it because sometimes people are just continuing to look for a conspiracy when they're when the truth is staring them dead in the face and they don't want to see it. So, yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, ultimately, I want to funnel people to Christ regardless of what the topic is because I believe that all truth definitely leads back to Jesus. And yeah, so I'm I started making content a few years ago. I started on Tik Tok. Then I gradually moved over to some of the other socials, started a podcast, and now I'm on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram. You can find me on Apple or Spotify. And yeah, if you like the weird kind of stuff, the stuff that you don't really get here on Sunday mornings in church, but also get to hear the gospel, that's um you might like some of the stuff I post.
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. Um so, first question I love to ask everybody is what um what was your gateway drug into this high this like world of high strangeness in general? Because I know we talk about more than just the Bible. It's quite expansive.
>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah. The the rabbit hole seems to be bottomless. And so, yeah, 2020 was my wake up year. I was kind of done the normal kind of traditional American white picket fence type thing before that and I was just kind of going about seeking the American dream. And then I realized the American dream is a nightmare. It's not real. And 2020 really exposed a lot of those things to me. and I had a personal crisis at the time and during that time I had a Christian background. So, I've been a believer. I would say I've been a believer since I was a kid. But, you know, I had that kind of time in my life where I was walking on the edge of like being lukewarm. And then it was in 2020 when I was really thinking, man, it seems like things are really accelerating. You know, I've been watching the Left Behind movie since I was a baby. And now I'm like, are we really on the precipice of that? And it did seem possible to me at that point. And of course, since then, I started to seek God. I started to do a lot of research, read books, listen to a lot of podcasts, and before you know it, I felt like God kind of gave me like a a little bit of a nudge that you need to start saying some of the things you've been learning. And then through that, yeah, my first kind of conspiracy was just the end times conspiracy. But one of the ones that I think that maybe I was being primed for for a while was the Nephilim, [clears throat] Genesis 6, the book of Enoch. That was really fascinating to me because I have a kind of a maybe like a comic book background. I used to watch all the I've watched a million movies kind of I'm of that generation where me and my friends have seen every movie multiple times.
>> Yeah. And and I think that when I discovered Genesis 6, that was such a mind-blowing thing growing up in the church and reading the book of Genesis, I don't know how many times, and it wasn't until somebody said, "Hey, what about this part about the the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of men and creating this race of giants?" And I was like, "How did I miss that?" And before I ever got into conspiracies, I started to watch that show, Ancient Aliens.
>> Yep. And as a Christian, I really never believed in aliens. But the show was, while their conclusions might have been dumb, I thought that the questions they were asking were very interesting and very mysterious. All the megaliths and the mythologies all around the world. And so that was before I looked into Genesis 6. But then when I finally found it again, I said, "Okay, this actually makes sense in a biblical worldview." And after that, it was kind of like I was making the connections between like these heroes of old men of renown in modern comic books, you know, the Superman, the Superman, you know, the Thors. And I thought the X-Men, I'm like, this is sounds just like what they're describing.
>> And so when I started to kind of put the pieces together of like the symbolism in the movies and kind of the stories that are these retelling of these mythologies and now they're the more modern versions, but it's still the same stories. And yeah, when I connected that with Greek mythology, I like I just couldn't get enough. I was like, this is really interesting. It makes sense to me that these mythologies are repeated, not because they're completely made up. It's because there is some kind of a kernel of truth in there somewhere.
>> And then you you kind of tie in all the mythologies all around the world where there's stories of gods from the heavens, there's giants, and then there's a massive flood. And you know, that story is is a story that's like in our DNA. And I think that's why they continue to be told to us today.
>> Absolutely. I I mean, everything rhymes, right?
>> Mhm.
>> For sure. Um I It's one of those things I love is the uh you know, we talk about L and and Superman and the the name Kell.
>> Mhm.
>> And from the house of L. Yeah. Yeah. I remember was in the Man of Steel movie. There's a scene between Zod and Superman's mom and she's like he is Cal, son of L. And I was like, oh my gosh. It's like it's like so on the nose. It's like he's like Cal son of God when you realize the L and Elohim is a biblical term. It's like a Hebrew term for for God.
>> Absolutely. Just amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Very similar to my story to to an extent, you know, with the with the whole generation and just flowing into the stuff. I for me it was I listened to a lot of Coast to Coast AM as a kid and and younger adult and that was that was the avenue at that point. We didn't really have the internet per se and podcasts weren't a thing yet.
>> So,
>> right. Yeah. You were listening to the radio.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. at like 3:00 in the morning, you know, sitting up on duty or driving to work or whatever. Just crazy. So,
>> yeah.
>> So, so moving on from there, where can people find you?
>> Oh, yeah. Like I said, you can check me out on over on YouTube. If you like to watch like short reels, you can check it out on Tik Tok, Instagram, and Facebook.
>> What's your place that you really like to drive people?
>> My YouTube. I mean, cuz I I started off making short videos and eventually, you know, kind of like a lot of us want to do is that I felt like that, you know, for us content creators, like Tik Tok is the minor leagues and then YouTube's kind of the major leagues. And so, I mean, you know, I like making short videos. At least I used to like making them a lot because I would be telling people in bite-sized things that blew my mind. But then when you do research more, there's so much more context that goes into like a like even like a 60-second reel, all the other kind of knowledge that you need to kind of have the the framework of the foundation of. And so, I mean, I I'm like one of those people who say, "Yeah, it is all connected, right?" Like, so these things are all connected. So, when I can present it in a podcast from an hour to two hours, I can give people a lot more than just, okay, here's something to blow your mind. But it's like, but how did you get there? or show your steps and show it how it relates to all the things in our modern modern world. Like cuz some people would be like, well, why does giants or nephilim or angels really matter today in 2025? Well, it matters because that it's there's symbols, there's language, and there's just like an etmology of words. They're they're all tying us back to this anti-dolivian time. And then I think believe in the times of Jesus as well that there's hints of like what they're actually saying to us. And that's why I said that you know when you see like a show like Ancient Aliens they're presenting a perspective that I believe is not biblical but there is a story that kind of is they're trying why they're pushing aliens into our past in order I believe to maybe create a deception for the future.
>> Yeah.
>> Or or now really.
>> Absolutely. And that, you know, more than likely the aliens are other things like the fallen or whatever you want, you know, other.
>> Very possibly. Very possibly.
>> Very possibly.
>> Um, so so let me ask, could could you walk us through you said that this all kind of came about 2020ish. Um and that you know you you started also re-examining history and like conventional religious uh mindsets, right?
>> Mhm.
>> So what could you walk us through the process for evaluating like accepted history versus what you consider hidden truths?
>> Yeah. Well, like I say, my foundation is is the Bible, you know? So, I think I started off with like most people when you go to church, you're told what it says before you ever read it, you know? So, it's it's really hard to separate that. And people don't even realize they've been indoctrinated to what it says before they ever read it. And I'm not saying necessarily you've been taught wrong, but I think that when I did wake up in 2020, I had to kind of come to the realization that I've been told a lot of lies in my life. And so I had to start re-examining everything. So instead of trying to read in to the Bible what I already knew, I was just trying to read it and just take it at face value. I was praying to God saying, "I want wisdom. I want to learn." And through that, I started to reexamine the things that I was told. My cat is Sorry, my cat is freaking out.
>> Um, but yeah, so when I started
>> behind you, I see.
>> Yeah. When I started to do that, I really started to the scripture started to speak to me in a whole different way. And that really was my kind of my verse would be, you know, let every word of God be true if as if every man was a liar. And so when I started to check that out, you know, sometimes you got to get into like apologetics and you're trying to prove things that are in the Bible. Yeah.
>> And then when I was looking into like historical sources to kind of prove some stuff, I just really found out that history was a big mess, you know, that I think that people think it's so linear and they think that there's receipts back all the way back to the times of, you know, the flood or Moses or even like even to the times of Jesus. And the more you look into it, you're like like I was really trying to present a historical case for lots of things. And I the more I research history, I just realize that, you know, times like the dark ages, it's it's called that because there's really no history from that time.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that's a really big problem historically that they don't have any real solid historical record of that time. And so I just started to think about it like in the way that, you know, most people who are even half awake, they believe the news is fake. So if the news is fake, well, what's news that's a couple years old? Well, it's fake history. So, you'd be really naive to believe if the news is fake that history from a 100 years ago, 500 years ago, a thousand years ago could be reliable in the same way. These people are pushing a narrative. And I believe that yeah, through religion, organized religion, there's often these people are there's bad actors. Paul said that if the devil can appear as an angel of light, then it should be no great mystery that the devil would appear as a worker of righteousness in your church.
>> So, so I think that's what really came down to it. And I think that a lot of people who grew up in the church, they experienced church hurt. They experienced people who you thought were one way the way you saw them. And then when you learn who they really were, you're like, "This is the person I was getting my theology from." you know, and it's kind of like that that this bad fruit has really kind of spoiled a lot of people.
>> I And that's what I was going to say is like how do you because you you said at the beginning that you have kind of shifted in how you view yourself and how you portray it as more of a less of a conspiracy theorist and more of a truther, right? So like how is um how do you define truth uh in the context of faith in history now? Like do you believe there's an objective historical truth that transcends like standard um academic consensus, you know, things like that?
>> Well, I believe that we have a uh a true north. We have a we have a rock. We have God's word. And I and I believe that's true. And so outside of that, I think I Oh gosh, what are you doing? Sorry. [laughter]
>> No worries.
>> Really bit me hard.
>> Um, [laughter] no, I believe that God's word is kind of our true north as our foundation. Okay.
>> And I think that we live in the age of faith. So I think that sometimes, you know, you could want to know some things and I think it's important to learn things, but sometimes you have to realize that you're never going to know it all.
>> Yeah. And and that's okay because I think that sometimes too much knowledge, too much too much truth, too much going down the rabbit hole doesn't lead you to a great place. Like kind of Solomon says that with much knowledge is much vexation. With much wisdom as much sorrow. So sometimes you're like, did you really want did you really need to know that? And I think ultimately it's like some things you learn make you sick and you kind of wish you didn't know that. But then if you put your faith in God, then eventually you can have peace regardless of what being true. Cuz cuz I do believe it. I do believe the gospel is true. So I don't worry about researching things. And I think that, you know, the more you kind of get on social media, get challenged about certain things. It forces you to, I guess, really kind of dig down to what you actually believe and if what you believe is actually defendable. And I believe the gospel is. So I I think that yeah, when it comes down to conspiracies versus the truth, you know, you have to rely on something. And so us as Christians, we do rely on God's word.
>> And then you get into like some kind of a more disturbing things when you realize, yeah, the the books have been taken out of the Bible.
>> Uh I believe that some of the translations we have are not great. But I think ultimately if you put your faith in Jesus, the gospel story is actually very simple.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't worry about it too much. But, yeah, the more that I've researched, the more I've realized that there's some uncomfortable truths, but ultimately, I said, I'm not dissuaded by that. I'm I'm encouraged because it always points to Christ.
>> Always. Right. So, like scripture and archaeology or or archaeology, historical evidence, right?
>> Um h how did they interact in your worldview? Just
>> Well, I would just say that Yeah. I mean, to go back to ancient angels or that was well, I should say that we actually my buddy and I Brian who's goes by demon racers we actually created a movie called ancient angels and that was the whole point of making that was basically to to show that the stories of these megaliths there is a biblical explanation for them and I think that when you do go into like kind of a lot of people's rabbit holes they go down with like Graham Hancock and you hear about lost civilizations and you see timelines that, you know, don't really line up with what the Bible says and the story from Adam. But I would say that there's a lot of people, of course, the science is trying to point us to a billion-year timeline with evolution and all that kind of stuff and dinosaurs and all that kind of stuff that really is meant to pick at what the Bible says. But then if I can research and I can show like the archaeology there is an explanation biblically well, I think I can find confidence in what we're what we're doing because I think that I was really kind of unsettled with some of the ancient alien stuff because I thought well, this is really weird that there's this connected society we don't know how long ago and what what does the Bible say about it but if you read the book of Enoch it does give you sort of at least an explanation of how this could have been lost. So if there was a giant flood, well maybe that would have been what separated us from that history of those megaliths. But the book of Enoch tells of these angels, these watchers came down and they taught men all kinds of knowledge of things like metal working, the arts of war, witchcraft, you know, even cosmetics and things like that, astrology. And I'm like, that really makes a lot of sense because if you've ever looked up in the sky, tried to look up at the constellations, I was always really curious about how did these people separated by thousands of miles and and thousands of years see the same signs in the heavens. Well, it makes sense to me that somebody told them what they were looking at.
>> Yeah.
>> And they were told them what it meant. And that's why this the zodiac the the stars kind of that as above so below is something that you kind of research and you see that like these ancient people saw that. And I'm not saying that's biblical, but I'm saying that in the same way that these like Greek mythology and Roman mythology comes from a true place. I'm not saying it's true per se, but it does come from a a different perspective. And it kind of makes sense in the story of the Tower of Babel that you have all these nations getting separated, different languages, and then so they all have the same story, but it's slightly different.
>> And it makes sense. There's a different perspective on these stories.
>> Absolutely. I mean, Hindu stories or Chinese stories or, you know, South American stories, they all kind of rhyme.
>> So,
>> absolutely. So, you're kind of talking about like timeline deception.
>> Well, there's certainly that I would say that when I started to research and I know a lot of people probably know me online up talking about the little season.
>> Yeah.
>> We have come to the conclusion at least I think this is my best this is my best working theory that this makes sense on the biblical timeline that we could be in the little season of Satan which is mentioned in Revelation 20. Some people try to dismiss the whole idea as unbiblical, but it is a biblical prophecy regardless if you believe we're here or not. It's something that either is happening is going to happen or already happened.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it makes sense to me that that if you actually do read the context of the gospels and the epistles, they're all pointing to the return of Christ being imminent in the first century. Now, the real question is when was the first century? Now, people think that's crazy. I go obviously was 2,000 years ago because it's the year 2025. But the more I've read into like alter alternative like history theorists or timeline theorists uh there is a a Russian mathematician named Famco and he believed that a thousand years was added to our timeline.
>> Yeah. And then there's another one that I was really quite fond of is this a German researcher named Gunnar Heinson. And he his hypothesis was that in the first millennia AD basically from 0 to a,000 there was 700 years added to it junk years. And I think that makes sense when you do research the dark ages because what people don't know, like I said, I don't think that people knew because I didn't know this that why they called the dark ages is because architecture, language, and culture did not advance for a thousand years. Now, if you really think about that, that is absolutely insane. It makes no sense whatsoever.
>> Yeah.
>> Because if you think about how many things have advanced or or changed or maybe even devolved in the past or just our own lifetimes.
>> Yeah. It's
>> just think about where we've gone in a hundred years. Like what?
>> Yeah. Right. Exactly. So
>> from from flying to allegedly going to the moon. I'm just saying technologically speaking.
>> Yeah. We're told like within a 100 years they went from horses and buggies to landing on the moon in 100 years.
>> So then you're telling me in a thousand years they did nothing. If anything they just went backwards for a thousand years. Now, that is highly suspect. And of course, if that's true, there's got to be a lot of receipts for that, but there's not. And so, what was interesting in Gunner Heinson's theory, he examined like the strategraphy. So, if you guys are not familiar with that, that's basically the study of the strata. So, the strata would be obviously the earth and then the layers below it that would show older civilizations and then newer civilizations built on top of it. And so in the first thousand years there is you know there's the Roman Empire and obviously then it becomes the Byzantine Empire and you have this certain architectural style. Well again this this architectural style does not change for a thousand years. And what you find is based on the strata data that this these buildings this architecture that is the same is built at the exact same strata level. Well, that doesn't make any sense historically.
>> Yeah, it really does. So, it's kind of like that what people have done. I believe, you know, I believe sometimes there's some bad actors, but I also believe that there's a lot of probably genuine people probably in academia who have tried their best to kind of piece together our history and they've put it in a thousand-year time period because because they know the chronology is right. But Gunner is saying the chronology cannot be right because the historical archaeological evidence indicates the opposite of that. And so that's when you get into kind of the idea that that the Roman Empire fell at some point, but historians debate that when it within thou within hundreds of years. And that was a really uncomfortable idea for me. I was like, how could they not know? This is like the most influential empire in the whole world.
>> Yeah.
>> Historically. And they don't even really know within hundreds of years when it fell. And then you find out like Romans had all kinds of technology that was lost. And that is again it's a problem because I would say that it's one thing to say we've lost the technology what the Egyptians had because we don't speak their language and they didn't write everything down or they did and it was destroyed.
>> But the Romans were told that they wrote everything down. They had historians.
>> So why is there a giant blank spot in their history? If you look into a a very curious year, it's called 536. And historians say this is the worst year on record. It had there was 18 months of darkness. There was a many ice age that followed that. There was the Justinian plague which is basically like the bubanic plague. There's wars and famines at this time. And during this time there's collapses all around the world. And I think that that is probably kind of the key moment right there where this is where our timeline is broken. This is actually where we get the ad chronology where basically the idea comes up in the sixth century. during this time. But what I find really fascinating about that is that we're told that this was an idea in the sixth century, but it wasn't widely adapted around the world until 1000 AD. So basically, we started our AD chronology in 1000 AD. And so Gunner Heinson's conclusion was, and he was not a Christian, that the reason they dated it to a 1000 AD because they believe they lived a thousand years after Christ. And I thought that was that was a pretty wild idea because
>> right
>> I mean if you really think about it it's it's hard for us to wrap our minds around one day they say hey we want to change the whole calendar and everybody accepts it. And not only that, you go from a pagan world where everybody wores worships a pantheon of gods to this new chronology that's called a chronology anodominy which is the year of our lord. And I don't think that can be overstated that the world accepted that Christ was king when they declared the date. And I think that Christians, we we you know, we grow up in this world and we don't really think about it. But I mean, how how big a deal is that? So yeah, I think that there's a lot of there's a lot of mystery of the first thousand years, but there's also a lot of mysteries after that, too, where like you said, what we're told is from the 1800s to the mid 19 Yeah. mid 1900s, we went from horses and buggies to the moon. Well, if you research the 1800s, the 19th century, it is the craziest century you've ever heard of. All the things, all the wars, all the great fires. And you start to wonder, is this is any of this true? Like, how could we know if it was true or not? But I think uh under a closer examination of maybe the constructions of certain buildings, some certain architecture and certain inventions that became brand new and became obsolete almost immediately. It starts you to lead the conclusion like this doesn't make any sense. I I think I think there could be you should you should be suspicious of it. That's all I'm going to say.
>> Yeah. No, agreed. I Yeah, there's definitely It's one of those things like you you try to follow history and there's just this Yeah, it I love history, but it's one of those things like it's never sat the dark age has never sat easy with me.
>> Mhm.
>> I I mean, I I understand there and what they say reasoningwise why historians will say what the dark ages were. But I think it's a lazy answer, you know, oh the Roman Empire that we don't know when it actually fell. Um or the we should say like the the Western Roman Empire fell, right? Um, you know, basically everyone just stopped doing anything like working or or writing anything down. All the monks and all the, you know, people that wrote all the crap before just we don't have anything uh for 700 to a,000 years. It's just bizarre. So, I I I see it. I see, you know what I mean? Like, I see what what is going on there. I see the There's the giant question. What is the truth?
>> Right.
>> Right. Absolutely. Well, I mean, just think about it like in a way that the Roman Empire was very vast and even if the Western Roman Empire fell, you still have the Eastern Roman Empire in Constantinople. So,
>> it's not like there wouldn't be people chronicling what would happened with lots of detail,
>> right?
>> And that makes no sense. And plenty of kings and kingdoms after,
>> right? Well, just think about their educated folk.
>> Yeah. Just think about it like this too is that when you learn historically that cities like Paris and London where was once called Londinium, they were Roman cities. So if the barbarians sacked Rome, the city of Rome in Italy, well, there would still have been prefects and governors and kings that ruled over different kingdoms that would have had all kinds of, you know, chronicling of their own architecture that was Roman.
>> Yeah. So, how do you forget the recipe for Roman concrete?
>> How do you forget anything? Because again, the Roman Empire was a worldwide empire, right?
>> So, that's what I'm saying. It's like it's not isolated. And and and I think that's maybe just a maybe it's a more modern view of just thinking like Romans were Italians, but they weren't just Italians. They were all over the place. Even even our apostle Paul was a was a Roman citizen. So it didn't really matter if you were just from Rome. There was all people given Roman citizenship. And yeah, they would have set governors and prefects over these regions in order to control them. Because we're not talking about in 2025 where you could have like a jet base and put it somewhere. You'd actually have to have people on the ground being the hands and feet of the emperor.
>> Right. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Right, man. Um, so, so what do you think like what is your blueprint? Like what do you think is going on there? I maybe not the blueprint is not the right words. Um, but what is like where does your besides scripture where is this rooted? Like what where where do you think we start and then where do you think we're at now? Like what happened? I mean, and you can go as deep as you want or as surface as you want.
>> Yeah. I mean, I I would just say just a brief overview would be, yeah, that if if Christ is indicating he's returning in the first century, which again, I biblically I could lay out a case and it it takes a long time because there's so many scriptures that can point to this, but just if you guys are don't don't believe me, just humor me for a second. You know, the Olivet discourse, Jesus tells the apostles that before this generation passes away, all these things will take place. That's the that's the most detailed account of like the events of the end times. Well, he le he leaves them with that and then the epistles are all indicating he's returning. So, they're saying that Peter says the end of all things is at hand. John says it's the last hour. Paul tells people it'd be better if they stayed unmarried because the world as they know it's about to end. Uh the book of Hebrews starts off by saying it's the last days. Even it says that um that Christ came to be sacrificed at the end of the world or at the end of the age. So like they believe it's the end. So the book of revelation is written to seven churches historically that no longer exist. You know, I know people would say, oh, well, a church is a church body and I and I agree. Church is not a building, but the cities where these letters were written in modern day Turkey all had to be excavated. So 100% of those cities had to be excavated. Those those places where the letters were written to were buried up to 45 ft under the ground. And you can look up historical pictures of that and it's absolutely mind-blowing. Also, uh, in Matthew 11, Jesus gives a message to the unrepentant cities. He's like saying, "Woe to Corazine. Woe to Besida, woe to Capernaum." That he did his first miracles in those towns and they did not repent. He told them it'd be worse for them on judgment day than it was for Sodom and Gomorrah. And those places also buried under the ground, had to be excavated. And when they dug things up, it was like melted and destroyed Roman cities under those places.
>> Right?
>> So, I think that that that for me is it's kind of like what I can see with my own eyes. And I would say that why did they believe these things were going to be imminent and why are they gone, you know, like why like what happened to them? And I think that that's the thing like I was never told about that, you know, like I said, you said history is interesting and I agree history is interesting. History class was not interesting, right?
>> History class was about dates and names and
>> and memorization.
>> Yeah. It [clears throat] was just regurgitating information.
>> Yes.
>> But like but like the why is really important like why people did what they did and why would they believe what they did at the time. So if the Bible is written for us but not to us, you know, like literally like you're reading some people's mail, it's like you're looking up at old mail and you're reading it and you have to say, "So what did they believe at the time and why did they believe it?" Again, I always point back to what Christ said himself, Eve, saying that some of you standing here will not taste death until you see the son of man coming to his kingdom. He told them they wouldn't have gone through all the towns of Israel before the son of man comes. So that's their context. So I believe it was either true or it wasn't true. I believe it's true. So I think this is where you get into like this alternative history where you're like, okay, so what if they told the truth and historians, the academics, the theologians, they're the ones who have told us, well, that doesn't make sense, so this could not have been true. And I think that's that's where I've really kind of been resting my kind of identity in Christ is that I believe what the Bible says. Everything else is left up to examination based on what the scripture says. And I think that especially coming into 2020 and as I was saying that I had an end times esquetology like we were really on the precipice of a tribulation. A lot of people used to point out in my comment section, they said, "Hey, but don't they have, you know, the quote unquote they don't they have the book of Revelation, too? So, what if they were trying to make it look like some of these things were happening?" And I could never really argue with them because I was saying, "Yeah, but I mean, God says it's going to happen. So regardless if they're they're trying to manifest it or not, [snorts] but if with the view of like 1948 Israel and kind of dispensationalism that this is what biblical prophecy is all about is about the return of Israel into the land of Judea and they are going to be the last generation that's around before the end times and the tribulation start. What if that's what they want us to believe? And therefore, you make the church passive because we're waiting on a rapture that may have may have already come and then you accept all kinds of wickedness and you accept all things that you probably shouldn't accept if you thought you were on a different part of the timeline. I mean, I [clears throat] think that's the really interesting part about the idea of the Little Season. You know, today people believe there's no way we could be there because X, Y, and Z have not happened yet. Or at least they don't believe it's happened yet, right?
>> But that's only because you've been told it hasn't happened yet. So, whether you agree with me or not, you do have to wrestle with the idea the book of Revelation 20 tells us of this time where where Jesus and the saints reign for a thousand years. The devil's bound. He's put in a pit. And then after the thousand years, the devil must be loose for for a little season. And then he goes out and deceives the nations, goes out to the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, and assembles an army. So if the premillennial view is that this kingdom is very physical on the earth, a very fleshly kingdom, Christ himself and the saints are in glorified bodies and they are ruling in modern day Jerusalem. Well, how does the devil deceive people after that? Because if you think, well, we would know, but how does he do it then? How does it deceive anybody if you can literally go look at the God King? You can go watch him on your TV. You can watch him on your your iPhone and you can say, "He's right there. I'm not going to be tricked because he's right there." So, how does he do it? And I think that the only way that really makes sense is for one, there's a misinterpretation about what the kingdom was supposed to be. Jesus told the Pharisees, "The kingdom kingdom is not coming in ways that can be observed." So why did he say that if it was going to come in ways that can be observed? He pilot asked him if he was a king and he said my kingdom is not of this world. So I believe that Jesus and the saints are ruling from heavenly Jerusalem. And I believe that the architecture when you get in like Tataria and all that kind of stuff, the old world. I think that there can be a spiritual metaphysical kingdom that we're connected to right now regardless of where we are in the timeline. Because that's what Jesus is really talking about the kingdom. He's talking about the Holy Spirit. So, we're connected with the kingdom of heaven because we have God's spirit in us. But I think that if you think in a way that there's a lot of spiritual warfare happening today.
>> Oh, God. So much.
>> Right. So, can you imagine a time where the devil was not out there pulling the strings of all the world leaders? What if men were actually worked in the best interests of other men? What could you what could they have accomplished then? And I think that maybe that is what the physical manifestation of the kingdom maybe could be the grand architecture, the Gothic cathedrals, and the things that really don't make sense that if these people were just worried about just getting enough food to not starve, and worried about not freezing to death in the winter time, avoiding plague, how did they create some of the grandest architecture the world's ever seen in a time in this that's called the Dark Ages? And people will just say, "Well, because you had ruthless rulers that blah blah blah." Right. That and we we'd spent all this money while our people starved.
>> Right. Right. Well, you know, that's the funny thing about like
>> kind of makes no sense.
>> Well, you think historically, too, that that Roman emperors were not um it was not uncommon for them to be assassinated. Like kingdoms were overthrown when they treated the people so badly.
>> Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So you can only push the people so hard before they will revolt. So I think the middle class is only this big. It's not it I laugh because I come from a national security background now and I'm like do you and if you take and I'm sorry to cut you off. I just have to say this and I've meant say it on other episodes, but it's kind of like um the laws and the and just things in general are only as good as the people that will follow up on them, right? So we can make all these laws that we want or we can do all these things but if nobody's there to act upon them or when it comes to laws to actually um enforce them those laws don't mean anything. So in turn, if you're saying you're going to starve while I build this cathedral to God or whatever, that's just not going to fly. I'm sorry. I And it And you can show things over and over and over and over again throughout history where it didn't and things changed, right?
>> Exactly.
>> Regimes changed. It happens all the time now. So humans are humans. It they weren't that different back then. So I'm just
>> No, actually that's a great point because I think that's one thing I really noticed when I when I actually did research history going all the way back to the the ancient megaliths is that man was never stupid. And I think it is fair to say what is these people's perspective and what were they thinking? And if it doesn't make sense to us now in a time that's more advanced, we have more equipment. We have things that make things easier to build things. Well, why doesn't it make sense now and it made sense to them then?
>> Yeah.
>> You know, it's kind of in the same way that that I had a construction background. My family owned a a commercial drywall, metal framing, plastering company, and you know, you had a lot of guys who were very handy. These guys were great craftsmen. And they didn't build things all week and then go home to a shack. you know, these people could build their own houses nice, too. You know, maybe they didn't have as much money as they were used for the budget for these buildings, but but they had knowhow. So, they did build things that were really nice in their own houses.
>> And so, what we're told is these people spent all their times building these immaculate stone structures and then they went back and lived in shacks, right?
>> Yeah.
>> They lived in squalor. never seen anything in being in the military and going from first world to third world countries and seeing the world from a different lens. Right.
>> If I've never if I've seen anything, it's that humans are very very good advocates for themselves.
>> Right. Right. Sure.
>> Right. And for their children and for their uh you know, and and the the difference between right and wrong. And you can only be so controlled. I'm sorry. So, what that um it kind of just goes right along is is we're the best advocates for ourselves and come on. It just totally puts dots, eyes, and crosses, tees on your point of the shack versus
>> Right. Yeah. I mean, that's like the story of America. The story of America is that they built things in brand new cities that were Greco Roman temples and they built basilicas and they built Gothic cathedrals. They built medieval castles that end up being post offices, orphanages, insane asylums and prisons.
>> Just Greco Roman architecture everywhere as well.
>> It's everywhere. And I think that's the thing I I started to wonder that we're told that they built things kind of in a Renaissance style of ancient Rome, but what if the Roman Empire was actually more vast than we're told? And that's why there's Greco Roman architecture in every continent on the earth. Maybe not Antarctica, but we don't really know what's down there. But but everywhere else like from Australia to Africa to Canada to northern Asia, China, Japan, there's Greco Roman architecture everywhere.
>> And so why would those people have wanted to emulate anything Romans did?
>> I think that's really suspect. I think it doesn't I don't think it makes a lot of sense. So
>> great. It seems to me that in the same way that if you do the kind of the megalith research, a lot of people made the conclusion that okay, what if pyramids are a is evidence that there was a connected society? Well, why can't we do the same thing with the Greco Roman architecture? Because we're told it's not. That's really the only reason we're told it's not. We're told that those pyramids had no these people with the pyramids had no connection to each other. But it's not just the most obvious design of something. I mean, it it looks like these people all knew each other. They knew how to build these things and they did. So, in the same way, this architecture seems to resemble Rome when I don't know that historically it makes a lot of sense. We're just told like people like Thomas Jefferson just love ancient Roman architecture. So, he just said he wanted to build Washington DC like that. Now, when you go to DC, you're really struck by that. It's like, this does kind of look like what you'd imagine Rome to be in its heyday. And I think that when you
Just isolate it to one place, okay? All right, fine. Okay, it's there. We'll just believe the story.
But then you look at every state capital building, basically all around the country, and they all resemble the same thing. They all resemble some kind of shade of, you know, the Capitol building in D.C. on Capitol Hill. You know, these massive domes and rotundas and columns, and I think >> that are literally that are literally just smaller versions in the same aspect of the same building, right? >> Yeah.
And then you actually go look at the capital building >> in the middle of the prairie. >> Yeah. You go, "Well, I think that's when you really start to get into like the like the timelines when these buildings are built." And you see some of the historical pictures, like the very first pictures we see from some of these cities. A lot of times you see these massive Greco-Roman buildings, and there's nothing around them. It's the most eerie pictures you've ever seen. There's like, typically, there's like no people in these pictures either. And some people I know are shouting, "Oh, it's exposure. They, those things took like 15 minutes to take a picture." Not in the 1850s, they didn't. Not in the 1850s, because you can see pictures in London where there's people in them. And then you can see like some of these pictures from like St. Petersburg and Russia and some places in Germany, and there is not one soul on the street.
There's a very, really interesting picture in in San Francisco in the 1870s. So this would have been like 20 years after San Francisco was supposedly started to be inhabited, because in 1848, before the the '49er gold rush, there was a thousand people in San Francisco. Now, if you look at a picture from 1870, there's this massive panoramic shot of the city, and it's 100% built out. There's not one construction. There's no scaffolding. There's nothing. The whole city's built out. You can see the harbor and everything. And not only that, there's not one person in the picture. There's not one horse. There's not one animal. There's not one horse and cart. >> It's bizarre, right? >> It's I mean, it looks like these cities were, when we say they were founded, were they really found? Were they? Did this what it's about?
And if I, I don't know if you ever looked into like the idea of like the orphan trains and things like that. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've talked to, well, Heidi, uh, Love is her and I did a whole episode on that, and that was crazy. Just >> Yeah. It looks like there was some kind of a population, like a repopulation effort going on because it really makes no logistical sense. >> Just wild. >> Yeah. It makes no logistical sense. Yeah.
So, if you guys are not familiar, it's, I want to say between 1860 and like 1920, there was 250,000 children going on orphan trains all across the United States. And 250,000 is a lot. It was way more back then because based on their population, which I want to say might have been around 80 million would have been in the 1800s. So, we're talking about 250,000. That's a lot of kids. >> That's a lot of kids. >> That's a, that's a lot of, that's a lot. That would take a lot of care to ship these kids around. Like, who's doing that and why? So, if there's orphans in New York, it's absolutely insane to ship them 2,000 miles away to the western part of America to do what? To put them in an orphanage out there. That makes no sense. So, you do kind of wonder if that was, there was a reset somewhere in the 1800s, maybe even the late 1700s, and this was an effort to get some workers for these cities. I mean, you see those pictures where >> you have children like picking, you know, produce and cotton in fields, and then you see them in these factories where they don't even look like they're, they're not tall enough to work the levers and the machines. They're standing on boxes. So why would you do that if you had men to do it? >> No adults in the pictures. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's strange. I mean, so >> it is strange. >> Yeah.
You get into that, and you get into like the Cabbage Patch Kids, that kind of weird >> those postcards and just this kind of weird mythos of like children being dropped off by storks, being plucked out of lakes and wells and. Yeah. Then you get into like the incubator babies. >> Yeah. The incubator babies are like all over the United States. It's like a sideshow. Like, what, what is this? It's so bizarre. >> No, it's like I said, I, I think it's important to maybe just try to put your mind in the person in the 1800s or the late early 1900s. Like, why would I think it's a little bit uh macabre to go to an exhibit with a bunch of babies in incubators? I think that's strange. And of course, that's what's interesting is it ties into the World's Fairs from the late 1800s to the early 1900s, where you have these cities in America. Well, not just America, but specifically in America, these cities look like Rome in its heyday. Like the 1893 Columbia Exhibition, I want to say it's the, um, is 1894? Maybe it's 1904. The St. Louis, Louisiana Purchase Exhibition. >> And these cities look incredible. Absolutely incredible. What we're told is these things were temporary buildings. They were only built for like within a couple years for these fairs, but they built hundreds of buildings, and they're all absolutely massive. I'm going to say in Philadelphia, they had a Centennial Celebration in 1876, and they built the build, biggest building in the whole world then. And then later, I want to say it was 20 acres, the interior of it. 20 acres that big. And then, and then in 1893, they built one for the Chicago World's Fair, and it was 44 acres in the inside of it. Also the biggest building in the whole world. And we're told these are temporary structures. And in these places, they have all kinds of exhibitions of technology. They have displays of like Native American people and like Asian people and things like primitive people and babies. It's the weirdest thing you've ever heard of. This >> is so weird. >> I mean, again, it doesn't make any sense to me. So, I start to wonder if that's a cover story. Like, what if those cities actually look like that back then? And they're only temporary because eventually they destroyed all that stuff. And because I don't think that if, if Chicago and St. Louis look like they did in those pictures, I think there'd be more people like us questioning if this, if the history makes sense. >> Yeah. And now in place of them are like giant parks. >> Yeah. A lot of times they're just like swamps or something. They don't even have anything there. It's kind of crazy to think you take up all that really valuable real estate in a place like Chicago and not do anything there.
>> Yeah. Um, the other thing that, um, I'll just bring up that you haven't even touched on, though, is a lot of these buildings, what's going on underground. >> Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Then that's that's that's one of the topics that really has me fascinated because if you looked into, uh, Tartaria or you looked into Old World, you would notice something called the mud flood. And that's where you have this layer of sediment that rests over all the most impressive buildings in every city. They, they either have basements or like quasi-basements. Sometimes it's like the windows go partially under the ground. There's always stairs up to the first floor, but it looks like that the first floor, a lot of times, is either the second or the third floor because there's multiple floors under the ground. And then you have connected tunnels from the oldest buildings. They all go from, they're all connected in some kind of way. All the old American cities have an underground section of them where there's literally like, just an underground city under the city. And I think that to me has really always struck stuck out to me is that not only are the timelines of these cities really not credible in my eyes, but knowing that they built a whole underground infrastructure at the same time, when did they do that and how and why? Because if you go see a modern building being built, I would say 99% of the time, maybe even higher than that, they're just built right at the strata level. They'll build, you know, the the front door is right at the ground. >> Yeah. I mean, you've got foundation stuff and stuff that's driven in, but these buildings, some of them, when they, when they do, uh, excavation of things to either redo stuff or whatever, they're literally the facade on the, that's shown under like 35 feet of >> of dirt >> is the exact same facade that's above the street level, right? That doesn't make any sense. Why would you do that? Like, it, we don't do that now. I mean, that's, you know. >> Yeah. It's just wild, >> right? So that's the question is like, so why would they have done that then when they wouldn't have had advanced excavation equipment? >> There's never a real good, uh, excuse for that either or explanation that I have that I've heard. >> No. And I think that's why like I'm here talking about this is because I, despite some of my crazy beliefs at this point, I, I can show you how I got here. And it's like a lot of conspiracies where it's not necessarily something I wanted to believe, but when you do start to ask the questions like, so what is the explanation for the mud flood? Well, there's not one. They don't even acknowledge it. But all around the whole earth, the whole realm we live in, there's buried things under the ground. And it's like, you do kind of wonder like, how did any of this stuff ever get lost? It's like, you know, you can go to the farthest remote places in the whole earth, like like Easter Island, and they have those Moai statues. Well, I don't even know exactly when they said it, but it was like it was like a recent discovery. They said, "Guess what? These things actually have bodies >> that are under." >> Yeah. And they're like, they're 15 or 20 feet under the ground. So you're like, "Well, how did they not know that there was bodies before? And how did those things get buried?" So that's the thing, like I said, in ancient Rome, they accidentally find things all around Europe where they accidentally discover a Roman mosaic or a Roman >> like why are places like Göbekli >> right? >> 100%. >> Purposely? Either either it happened right, or it's been purposely done. Purposefully buried. Like, why are we burying things? If you know, I, I'm just saying it doesn't actually Beckley's, I think is very suspicious. I think that what we're told is is these people buried their own temple complex, which, which I want to say they only have excavated up to like maybe 10% of it. >> Yeah. It's not very much. >> And just the idea of burying something on purpose is kind of a crazy thought. >> And it's not like it's the only place either. >> No, it's not the only place. But I think what's really suspicious about it, well, you know, I want to say like in the Missouri um valley, there's all kinds of these mounds. Now, if [clears throat] you look at old pictures of the pyramids in Mexico, I want to say it's the Temple to the Sun, and I want to say it's Chichen Itza. When you actually look at the old pictures of them, like from the 1800s, these things were complet, they look like a hill. >> Yeah. >> You know, Chichen Itza, I think, is that step pyramid. Has like a, um, you could kind of see the top of it, but the Pyramid of the Sun is kind of a, it's not like the, uh, the ones on the Giza plateau. So, it literally just looks like a hill. So, when they say that Göbekli was buried on purpose, well, wouldn't you see something that resembled more like a mound than you would see flat ground? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's, I mean, I think that's suspicious. Is like it's imagine if somebody told you, "Okay, some people are going to try to steal your house or something, so you're going to have to bury it." Well, it, that sounds like quite an undertaking in itself, but what you'd have is a mound. And then somebody said, "Now you got to bury the rest of the neighborhood." You would still find a mound somewhere because it's like, where do you, where does that stop? Like, how do you level that out completely? I think that >> I think that was an act of God, whatever that was. And I know a lot of people probably saying who have a Christian worldview, they would say, "Oh, that was Noah's flood." But it doesn't make sense when it's modern buildings that because I don't think that Greco-Roman architecture was in the days of Noah. I mean, I don't think so anyways, but >> cuz now, now I think you're getting really conspiratorial if you believe that stuff and, you know, whatever. Pick a town in that's close to you that's got any age. >> Yeah. >> To think those are the days, right? In Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska, they also had a World's Fair that looked like ancient Rome, too. >> Yeah, there's some wild stuff with the especially with the Mississippian culture, the Cahokia, and um, some of the, I mean, some of the pyramids that we know were built here. Uh, and I say that, you know, they're not Giza pyramids, they're not >> uh, even Mexican pyramids or South American pyramids. They're, you know, earthen usually. But, uh, uh, the other thing is too, is like all the different rumors throughout history of the US of why do we have so many reservoirs that happened to flood towns and >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> things along those lines, like like this, once you scratch the surface and start digging, I feel like ground just gives from underneath a lot of this stuff. So, I've told you at the beginning of this that I kind of stayed away from it because it's a, it's a huge undertaking to go down this rabbit hole. >> Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think that I was aware of Tartaria and the mud flood before I ever really started talking about it. I was fascinated by it, but I really didn't know where to place that cuz, yeah, you're right. It's like >> like what am I supposed to do with this? So, in the view of the little season, it actually does make sense. So that's why I kind of researched it more because this is evidence of a lie, at least, or a cover-up. So we, so, but why? So the little season kind of gives you the answer to why, is because there was a better time than this in our past. Like, how far back in our past? I mean, that's kind of anybody's best guess, but to me, it's after the times of Jesus. So if Jesus kept his word and said that he was coming back in their generation, well, this could be maybe evidence of this millennial reign. This could be evidence of this thousand years that was better than the times we're living in today. >> And today, >> I mean, obviously times of plenty, at least from a, what you could look at that existed, right? >> Right. Um, and and that conveniently so much of the history is just gone. And who does that? It's, I mean, what is the saying? The devil's greatest uh trick was to show >> was to convince the world he did not exist. >> See, he didn't exist. And that just kind of goes, I mean, at least makes you think. >> Yeah. Absolutely. Well, that's what I was saying. Um, I've brought that point up before. He has a famous quote from The Usual Suspects. I'm not exactly sure where that's from, where they, they got the quote from, but I'm sure it's an older quote than that. >> But I just thought about that, that in the times of the Romans and the first century church, they were worshiping Zeus. They're worshiping Apollo. They're worshiping all these false gods. So to me, like Zeus is an avatar for Satan. So he's Jupiter to the Romans, and and he would have been the god of gods. But we know that he's a false god. He's not the god of gods. The creator is the most high God, as the God of gods. >> Right? >> So I just thought about like, if in the times of the apostles, they're talking about the god of this world. Well, the god of this world would have been worshiped openly. It wouldn't had to been secret. But now the elites do seem like they worship the god of this world. But they do it through signs and symbols, and they do it with a wink and a nod, and they do, they don't do it openly. So to me, it, it kind of makes sense that in the little season, the only way the devil can really do anything is through deception. So he can't really announce himself openly because if he does, then he's kind of like, it's validating the Bible. It's validating the scriptures are correct because if you saw an angel show up who's a bad angel, you'd be like, "Okay, that's the devil. Okay, Christ is real. All the story of the Bible is real." But now it's like it's all through, um, you know, just a sleight of hand, and they can say it, but they really don't. We all kind of like, once you're the veil's kind of been lifted from your eyes, you can see it. You can see it in like the concerts. You can see it in like the the ceremonies to the Olympics. You can see it through all kinds of culture, but they really don't openly admit it. They do, but they don't. Right. So, I was saying like that, that to me >> is just a sign of like the devil has been working through the sons of iniquity and he's back and >> it's kind of like that idea of almost like, you know, in Lord of the Rings where there's this shadow, there's this threat from the west, there are all these rumors of this evil kind of returning, and I was like, that makes sense to me. That makes sense in the way that that, yeah, he's, we kind of know, but we kind of don't. It's like Voldemort's back. >> Yeah. You know, like that's what that myth is where >> he can't say that name, though. >> Right. Right. Exactly. Well, we're like, we don't talk about him and like certain people say, "Oh, there's no way. It's not possible that he could be back." >> And you're like, "But I would say just based on kind of, you go from a, a mostly Christianized world and then when you get to like periods like what we're told is the Enlightenment, there's the erosion of Christian values and the Christian worldview where, you know, now we're in a place where people don't even know what the shape of the earth is because we don't really trust the science. We, um, we start to question everything about what we've been taught. So, you know, so they try to promote this idea of a Big Bang, removes the creator from all the things. There's evolution. All these things get introduced at this certain time period. And now we're kind of left on this, this place where there's still a lot of Christians, right? But there's a lot of people that deny God ever existed at all >> and/or that God is different than what we believe. >> Yeah. Or it's a twist on the truth. And I think that's what the devil can do is that >> he can take part of the truth and twist it in a slight way, and he takes credit for things that were godly things, and that because the devil really doesn't create anything except for lies and deception. >> Yeah. I mean, I've looked into a whole bunch of lately, and I'm just going to go there. I'm going to say it. I've looked at a lot of the Catholic Church, and we say Rome, you know, that's where the Catholic Church begins. And so much of the like the, the >> iconography >> things. >> Yeah. The iconography, but also their ceremony and things that they do and hand gestures and things that they carry and things that the Pope does. Man, I, some of them look satanic, period. I mean, I'm not trying to like demonize Catholics or the Catholic Church. I'm just saying, damn. Explain [clears throat] that to me, then. You know what I mean? Like, like I, there, there's a couple videos that go around, and there's certain things, and if you look at like statues of Baphomet and some other, you know, devils from this and that and the other thing, that they're acting out these these almost like ceremonies that are worshiping false gods and or Satan, even. Um, >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, the the imagery concerning. >> Yeah, the imagery at the Vatican is is very troubling. >> Very bizarre. I mean, there's so much stuff there that if, if nothing else, it should at least make you think, >> right? Well, because I mean, I think that a lot of people who have just kind of just read the Bible and you, and you do try to square some of their religious traditions, they do based on the scriptures, and you're like, "Where are they getting any of this stuff from?" It doesn't seem like that what Christ is trying to do is to knock down one a religious establishment to create another one >> that is all >> I mean, it's definitely that Pharisee spirit. >> Yeah. >> Where it's like >> it's like the, it's like the illusion of of holiness and righteousness, but we know then we have like the undercurrent of like what the scandals in the church in what they're actually doing versus what's being presented to the public. >> Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that that disillusions a lot of people. And of course, that does seem like also something the devil would do would be he would say, "This is your face of Christianity right here, the papacy." And then so then people say, "Oh, religion is just a control mechanism." Well, I would agree. I mean, that kind of organized religion is a control mechanism. And I don't think that that Christ, you know, wanted to put us under somebody's thumb like that again. I think he was trying to give us freedom. And so we can have a direct connection to God through Christ and the Holy Spirit. So they're trying to tell me, "Oh, but I got to go to this one man to tell him if I've done anything bad, >> right?" >> Like that's the antithesis of like that Christ is the mediator. Christ and the Holy Spirit are the mediator between us and God the Father. >> So why do I need to go confess to some, some man who, what is he doing? Like, what is his, you know what I mean? Like that's >> Yeah. Yeah, it's not >> there's some serious issues with like authority and salvation and, um, sacraments and saints in general, you know, uh, and and stuff like that that, um, there's some deep-seated issues, >> right? With the saints is interesting, especially if you do consider that we could be living past the millennial reign. All the iconography of the saints in the murals, they depicting them with halos and things like that. Like, you do kind of wonder like they're very similar all around the whole world. It's almost like these people did have some kind of a, um, access to them at some point. >> I, I kind of wondered that, and I was trying to revisit some of the stuff with kind of the historic and the Orthodox Church. Is it possible that that some of these things are kind of lost to time and then the story is distorted instead of, you did have saints that could interact with people at times and do miraculous things >> and but they were never meant to be deified in the way that they are. >> And so just because you have iconography from it doesn't mean you pray to them. It doesn't mean you, I mean, clearly we're not supposed to make graven images and idols of these of of people, men, >> beasts in the earth, beasts under the earth, fish of the sea, creeping things. We're not supposed to do that. So maybe this is something that turned into idolatry. But once the true, the true account of it was never meant to be that way. >> Yeah. >> And that's a way that the, the devil has introduced a golden calf back into the church. Absolutely, man. I think we've sufficiently peeled the the proverbial lid off the can, right? >> Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, there's this is a deep subject and >> it is >> depending on like you, the audience and who they, how they want to research this. There's so many facets to the little season and and potentially like where we are in the biblical timeline. It's, it's not something that I have, I mean, I feel like I'm still just scratching the surface of it. You know, we have a lot more podcasts about this, but I always want to leave people with this is that the more I've been doing this and the more I've been researching, the more I've been talking to other people, I feel like God has given me kind of more, um, humility in this space to say that we can all learn from each other. And some of these things are theories. Again, I would say the, the being in the little season is a theory, but it's a biblical prophecy. If you're in Christ, I would say that we all validate that the scripture is true, you know. So, we all believe it. We believe it, but we're confused about where we are on the timeline. And I think that you should give people grace for that because as we too kind of research history. Yeah. When people say, "Well, they would have wrote it all down." Like, but they didn't write everything down. So, we know that there's blank spots in our history. So if we put our faith in Christ in, then we are brothers and sisters in in the church, and we don't need to be these are like these, these shouldn't be such contentious issues because regardless if we are in the little season, it is going to happen one day. >> Yeah. And it all ends in the same spot. >> Right. We all believe that the victory in Christ is guaranteed, and that's what gives us hope and solace. So it's not a black pill. And I'm not one of these people who think that if we're in the little season, the gospel changes at all. That our mission here changes at all. I still feel like that, you know, whether the, the two main commandments in the new covenant is to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. So, we should be serving others, putting others before ourselves, and just being able to give grace to people who are kind of trying to figure these things out. My favorite part about talking about this is though that I would say that it has bore a lot of good fruit because a lot of people who have never been to a church are looking into like lost history and and Tartaria and the mud flood, and even another topic we didn't even hit on today was like meltology, like melted things all around the around the world >> that they say this makes sense because it's one thing I know you mentioned that you started like want to talk about Bigfoot. And a lot of people who look into Bigfoot, they start to research about giants in the Nephilim, and they're like, "I like this because this gives me an answer because it's not just like some kind of spooky Bigfoot show >> where it's this paranormal and it just ends with, well, we'll never really know. We'll just have to keep researching." >> I mean, this gives us an answer to why. And it might not be the correct answer of why. >> It's the, it's the answer that I think does lead people to Christ at the end of the day. And so sometimes I believe that that I could be wrong about some of these things. >> But I would say that the reason I believe it is because I believe Jesus told the truth. I believe the apostles told the truth. I don't believe there are false prophets when they were predicting the imminency of his return. So, so I could be wrong, but I, I'm comfortable saying these things in public because I believe my why is correct because I'm still trying to point it back to Jesus. And if I'm wrong, >> right? >> I would have to be, I would be happy to be wrong and we'd get raptured before the end of this podcast. But I don't think that's going to happen. So >> until then, I think that we need to just be >> what? As wise as serpents and innocent as doves because we are definitely out amongst the wolves. >> Yeah, for sure. I, I mean, I, so I, I've been doing this Sunday um supernatural Bible series for a bunch of months at this point. Uh, a few weeks, and I'm like, I just got to the book of Job, right? So I'm basically telling the books from a supernatural lens, right? >> Mhm. >> Very much like, uh, like Ed Mabry or somebody like that has done. But I, I'm doing it so I can understand these things better because some of this scripture is very confusing. Right. >> Book of Job is very deep. It's, it's a lot. >> Very deep, and and most people get lost. Like they're like, "I can't do this, right?" So the way that I look at it as, um, is literally, um, that it's not about like the end of this book is really about Job just remaining faithful >> to God >> after all is said and done and everything that is thrown at him. It's not about, um, the things that that are lost or about the things that are whatever. It's just a matter of, um, Job staying faithful to God overall. That the rest of this is all just stuff going on around us. Right. Right. >> And that in the end, [clears throat] if we believe that Jesus, that all this is happening for something else, the glory of God, >> and that we believe in God and we believe in Jesus as our Lord and Savior, that that's that's all that matters. The rest of it is just, you know, >> yeah, I mean, they could be distractions, but I actually think that's good you brought up the book of Job because some people do kind of wonder like, what is the point of the little season? And I do kind of wonder if the book of Job, it could be a good example of like what we're dealing with. It's like the little season's like the book of Job on steroids. >> Yeah. >> Where the devil went to God and says, "I can make these people forget any of this stuff ever happened. They're going to deny it ever ex, you, you ever came back. Your kingdom was ever established." >> And God says, "Okay, go try. >> Have fun." >> Yeah. Just see what you can do. And you know, so like >> Yeah. >> that the devil cannot do anything that God does not allow him to do. And that's what the book of Job >> talk about the, talk about a, uh, a, uh, courtroom in heaven. >> Yeah. It's like he, he has to ask for permission to do the things he's doing. So that only makes our God greater and gives him more glory is that he is sovereign. So like, if God had to limit the devil more, that would actually take away from who he is. >> But if he lets him do more, it's because he is in control that he can let this wily serpent out, go do just wreak chaos. But ultimately, he's like, "My faithful people will see through it." And regardless if we are right or wrong about the timeline, if again, you put your faith in Christ, it's like it doesn't really matter if you, where you are on the timeline because ultimately we don't know how long we have. Each person, we don't know how many days we have. And one day we're going to stand before the great white throne, regardless if we were right or wrong about all these kind of crazy mysteries and theories, >> right? >> And it'll be about what did you do for the people around you? >> Yeah. >> Did you take care of the people who were less fortunate? Did you take care of your family? Did you take care of the, my, my sheep? And if you did, it doesn't, like, it won't matter if you had, if you knew all the knowledge of all the mysteries and all that kind of stuff. That's that's that's a secondary issue. >> Yeah. Part of the thing I bring up in this in that episode is, you know, Job >> gets to a point where he reaches his breaking point >> and he sits in the ashes scraping sores with broken pottery demanding to hear a hearing with God, right? >> And and when God answers, uh, >> you know, Job's demanding answers, explanations, and justice, and then when God finally shows up, he doesn't explain anything. No, he doesn't. He says, "You couldn't understand it if I did." >> Yeah. He just takes Job on a tour of the boundaries of creation and the edges where order meets chaos, and he introduces both Behemoth and Leviathan. >> Mhm. >> And names, you know, that everyone knows out of myth. And at the end of the day, what that shows is that, oh, you know, you guys can, that I've got this, because look at what I control. Mhm. >> You know, um, and that I'm the only one that can. Uh, a reminder that no king, no empire, no human effort can fully conquer, uh, nature's most ancient forces. Only I can >> or you can't even comprehend it. >> Yeah. Right. >> It's like, you don't, Job, you don't understand. You couldn't understand. I'm God. You're not. [laughter] >> And I think that I, I, I think that that's really kind of the ultimate message I get out of the book is that that God is good. You know, Job questions if God's just or not. Job is learns that he is. Yeah. >> And he needs to fear the Lord and basically just take care of what's in front of him, and he doesn't need to worry about what God does. >> Absolutely. >> And I think that always remembering that the book of Job is pretty dark, but knowing that the visible face of the invisible God is Christ. So you can't question if he's just or not, or he's good. Because if that's, that's our real, that's our example of like what love is and righteousness and holiness. So that's that's God the Father, that's our example for who he actually is. So, so knowing that, yeah, there's a lot of factors that we don't put into the equation that that Job was learn, had to learn about. >> Yeah, for sure, man. I think we sufficiently broadcasted some seeds today. >> I hope so. I hope so. Um, so again, uh, tell everybody where they can find you. >> Yeah, you can find me on YouTube. Just look up JTFs JC. I'm on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook. I'm also on all the all the audio podcasts. So, if you like on Spotify, Apple, anywhere you can listen to podcasts, you can look up JT's Mixtape. That's one of my podcasts. And yeah, if you guys enjoyed this conversation, there's many more on my on my shows on my on my YouTube channel. >> Yeah. Awesome. So, I appreciate you coming on. >> Of course, man. It was great. 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