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I want to bring Billy Hollowell in. We've just been talking about going to space and everything else, and there is something weird that is happening, and I don't know. I, I mean, I think it's all misdirection myself, but I believe in aliens. I mean, I believe, I mean, what, again, as Carl Sagan said, if we're alone in this universe, what an enormous waste of space. Um, but it's almost like, it's almost like they're going to announce something. You know, that's what it feels like.
So, Billy's the host of uh Investigating the Supernatural uh miracle uh miracles. Um, and uh, I wanted to bring him on because he's been talking in in this documentary. He has uh Hugh Ross, Lee Stroble, John Burke. They're all people who have been on this show talking about these things, but he's he's honed them in and uh, and and really put together a a really remarkable series here, a documentary. And I, I want to play a clip from it.
>> When he sat up at the foot of the bed was this 8ft luminous angel.
>> That's when it began to realize there's a connection between demons. Don't we see in the UFO phenomena?
>> And on the last beat of my heart, my spirit left my body.
>> Is there a spiritual war going on around us? Are angels and demons real? Let's investigate.
>> In all ancient cultures, people believed in a spiritual wrong.
>> And I was struck that all throughout history, the vast majority of cultures not only believed in evil spirits, but believed in possessions.
>> And every major religion believes in angels. For most of the world, the question isn't is there a spiritual world? The question is which spirit is the most powerful.
>> But to say you believe in angels, demons is often times to expose you to ridicule. Like you sound like somebody from the Middle Ages.
>> Many scientists just write it all off saying this is just people's imaginations. They're hallucinating. They're having dreams. None of this is real.
>> I kept hearing,
>> "Stop. Don't go there."
>> And within a matter of minutes, a bomb went off.
>> All of a sudden, we hear this guttural sounding voice come out of her in the back.
>> Your mumble jumble quail just like they always do.
>> And the one from the driver's side reached over and put his hands right in the middle of the flat spot. And the one from the pass side did the same thing.
>> My heart started supernaturally. No CPR, no medicine.
>> What I uncovered changes everything.
Uh, Billy Olawell is joining us now. Billy, how are you?
>> I'm doing well. How are you?
>> It's good to have you on. Good to have you on, my friend. Um, so it's, it's seems wonky uh, or not wonky, it seems, I don't know, religious hickey, I guess, to talk about angels and demons, but I absolutely believe them. And I, I, I think most people believe in angels and demons in some form or another. What did you find that surprised you?
>> Yeah, you know, I found a lot that surprised me. And let me tell you, we actually have new data that we're going to be putting out, and I'll share it here first. Uh, we, we actually asked Americans what they believe on all these things. And the majority of the country, more than 50% believe in angels, believe in demons, believe in all of these things. And you know, it's, it's interesting. What has surprised me the most is how mainstream this topic is because it does feel wonky. It does feel difficult to talk about. And I think a lot of people have had experiences which we also gauge in this research, you know, asking people, have they been spiritually attacked before? What does that look like? How do they respond to it? And you know, so for me, the big surprise is, hey, you know what? We feel like we can't talk about this stuff, but most of us are intrigued and actually believe in it.
And you know, it's really crazy. I learned this as an alcoholic. When you try to hide because you think it's just you, you, um, you miss so much uh connection and you miss solutions everywhere. I, I mean, I hid my alcoholism as most alcoholics do forever. And when I, when I came out and said publicly, I'm an alcoholic, I really thought it would be a shameful thing. And the opposite happened. People started to connect with me and saying, hey, I've got this problem. You know, I did these things and I'm really struggling with this, and you, you start to find strength in that. And I think that's why we are discouraged from talking about these things because we would find strength in the things that we believe. We would find, um, new understandings if we were just open and talking about them.
>> Absolutely. And you know, I've always loved how you've shared your journey, you know, publicly in that way because it helps so many people. And I think that's the same thing here because I mean, think about this. There are people, and I can talk about some of the other things that really shocked me. I mean, the biggest thing is that there's a lot of evidence for angels and demons and obviously miracles. And if people want to check this out, they can go to cbn.com/supernatural. But I'll tell you, you know, I went into all these stories thinking I'm going to uncover something that will tell me it's not true. There's got to be some other explanation. Not because I don't believe in angels and demons. I'm a Christian. I believe in the Bible. But, you know, look, we can make claims all day long that we've had interactions with angels or demons or that we've been afflicted. I want evidence. And so, I was shocked by the staggering amount of evidence that is there. But to your point, and we can dig into some of that, you know, I think that there's a real force that pushes us not to talk about it because here's the other thing. There's because of that evidence, it almost becomes apologetics. It almost becomes this tool. If you can prove that God is still moving, that that miracles happened, that angels and demons are active, then that means there's a God. And that was shocking to me because I had never thought of these topics as being something that could close that loop and actually help bring people to faith. And one, one quick thing, and you know this story, I'm not going to name the people because people got very upset about it, but there was a prominent politician's son who was having a conversation with, um, an an apologist and they're on the phone and this guy's 19 years old and the apologist is trying to get him to believe in Christianity and he was throwing everything at this kid, right? Like, hey, this is the evidence for God. And none of it was really working until he said to this kid, "Hey, did you know that there are Muslims in the Middle East who wake up after having dreams of Jesus? He appears to them and they become Christians." And like a light bulb went off for this kid. And I realized when I heard that story, for young people right now, this evidence actually, this supernatural evidence is the thing that could bring them over the line into faith because they've been so lied to for so long, so forced into this weird secular worldview that when you see something crazy that has evidence, it brings you into the faith.
>> I have to tell you, I think I think people feel it, at least I, I feel it more universally than I've ever felt it before. And I, I was just in Washington. And I was speaking to a a big group of people in Washington. You don't usually, you know, lead with God. Um, and you know, somebody asked me, uh, about Glenn, how are so many of our friends, so many people now on this path of such darkness of, you know, uh, of anti-semitism. And that's different than disagreeing with Israel. Um, but it's, it's gotten some really dark. And I said, I, I'm going to say something. Maybe it's unpopular, but I'm going to tell you, um, I think God showed up after Charlie was was killed, and he used that, and we saw miracles all over the world, people finding God and going to church for the first time and everything else. And for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And I said, I think what the darkness and the fog that people are in right now is evil. It's from Satan. And it's, we're watching good and evil, angels and demons duke it out all around us right now. And we're just feeling the after effects. That battle is happening all around us right now. And if we're not aware of it, we could end up being on the wrong side really quickly. What do you think about that?
>> Wow. I love what you just said. What you just said. So these projects, investigating the supernatural, angels and demons in particular has totally transformed my faith and the way I see things because what you just said, it's Ephesians 6. And for those who don't know that, if you don't know the Bible, you don't know that Ephesians 6, the Apostle Paul is talking about how we all think that we're in a battle between each other. It's Democrats versus Republicans. It's me versus you. It's everybody's fighting and it's a flesh battle, right? We assume that's what's going on. But what's actually happening, and that doesn't mean we shouldn't get engaged in those arguments and have meaningful discussion. That's not the point. What's really happening is that there's a spiritual battle, good versus evil. We can't see it with our human eyes, but it's pouring over into the world in which we are living. And so, when you see Charlie get assassinated, when you see these horrific things happen, even atheists will turn on their TV and say, "That was evil." And so, the question is, well, where does that evil come from? Right? We know that what Ephesians 6 says is that that battle is going to impact us. And so I actually don't think, and I was pretty convicted of this after working on this film, that we can really understand fully what is happening in the world around us and in our individual lives if we don't understand that battle. And I will tell you, because back, you know, in 2012 when I started working for you at the Blaze and you would talk about all these things, I mean, you were ahead of everybody on a lot of these issues that we're experiencing right now. You know, I, I wasn't fully understanding what this battle meant and I get it now. And I think we've got to hone in on that because if we want to, if we have any hope of navigating and not ending up, cuz right now, you and I both know there are people who are falling on the wrong side of a lot of these things. And I'm not going to name them, but they're out there and they're impacting a lot of people right now. And so, we need to make sure people understand this. And this film really is a quest to do that. Um, not just in our, again, in our individual lives because evil can affect us, but also in our politics and in our culture.
>> So tell me, by the way, you can find the film at uh cbn.com/supernatural. Um, Billy, tell me how, um, aliens are are fitting into this.
>> I mean, here, here's the thing. You know how this is. You're working on a film and this is well over a year ago. We're having these conversations. You know, we're talking about angels and demons. What are we going to do about aliens? Because this is a big, at the time, obviously, disclosure was becoming a big conversation. I had no idea we'd released this film in the middle of this massive conversation about aliens. What is happening right now? And look, there's a debate, and I'm not going to tell people what to think. There are people even in Christian circles, and this film is for everybody, not just Christians, but who believe that aliens are very real and that they exist and that God created them. Um, but there are also people like Hugh Ross, as you know, who would take a different view on this. They would take the view that it's not that people aren't seeing or experiencing aliens and UFOs. It's that the nature of what they are might not be what we think. Um, and Hugh's position, and he was in the film, obviously, as you saw in the clip you shared, is that these are actually interdimensional demonic entities that are appearing to people. And he has a whole slew of thoughts about why that is the case. Case. And I will tell you, they're compelling. Not everybody agrees with them. They are compelling. But here's the deal on the alien thing. About 10 years ago, a lot of us would have laughed at this, right? The fact that we would even be talking about it or having presidents and former presidents talk about it, we would think that was semi-ridiculous. And yet, here we are. And I would encourage people not to laugh this off because a lot of Christians on the on the issue of evil have done a very bad job of addressing it because it feels weird. So, we don't want to talk about it. And we've allowed secular culture to talk about evil more than churches are. That's why every Halloween you've got The Conjuring and all these movies coming out. Hollywood's owning this issue. We don't want the same thing to happen with aliens because this is not going away. People are going to want answers. And just like you said, it feels like something big is about to drop. And so what are you, what is your response going to be to that? And so the film, you know, dives into that, you know, from a perspective. It's obviously Hugh giving his perspective, but I would encourage people figure out what you think on this issue because it's, it's not going anywhere.
>> Hey, Billy, can I have you on again next week? I want to, I want to have you on just about the alien thing because I, I absolutely, I have some thoughts on this and I would like to explore it with you a bit.
>> Absolutely.
>> Billy Hollowell, again, the, um, uh, the film, the documentary is investigating the supernatural miracles. Um, and, uh, you can find it at cbn.com/supernatural. Billy has been a longtime, uh, friend and co-worker, and I have an awful lot of respect for him, and I'm, I'm glad to have you on. We'll talk to you again. Hopefully, I can squeeze you back in, uh, next week because I, I think you're right about exploring, um, the supernatural and aliens. I don't know what is coming, but I've never seen anything like this in my life before. Um, and you know, just a few years ago, you would, all we would all say, "Well, that's crazy." Well, I've seen a lot of crazy stuff happen. Uh, so,
>> And we're going to see more, a lot more. So,
>> We are. We're going to see crazy, crazy things in our lifetime. Billy, thank you so much. We'll talk next week.
>> Thank you. Appreciate it.
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