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You will get to sound off on whether or not black people are disabled as the Supreme Court.

Oh god.

Say something that'll get us canceled.

If you really want me to. I mean, I'll tell you, waiting in the wings the last few minutes was quite entertaining. Far too much friendly small talk so far in this fire. We got We got a lot of the friendly, but not the fire. Friends like these enemies and friends like these enemies.

So what we're just going to commits for the first part of it? Is that the idea or we going to actually just jump into the show?

My my favorite part is when Nolles reads the stage directions.

Yeah. Hold on. I got to hold on. What does it say? Look hot. Okay. All right. That's fine.

Yeah. We're there. Yeah.

Ben, you're positively glowing. You're out of the country.

I I am out of the country. I am. I'm I'm still here. And and I I will say that that Donald Trump in Jerusalem is a thing, man. We'll probably talk about a little bit later, but that dude can that dude can light up a country. I mean, really really strong stuff. Where are you guys? Obviously, you're back in the States. My understanding is that that you and Claven are headed to like yodel in the Alps or something. Correct. Next week.

Yes. We're going for Strudel in Austria. I'm very excited.

We are. We are. Probably more probably probably more exciting for for Nolles than for Claven given the history there. It was the father in front was a very short period of time. It doesn't quite get me to Likenstein and my Bonnie Prince Charlie over there, but it's one step closer.

I can't believe that we're like a minute in and you already did the Bonnie Prince Charlie. Like it should take you at least an hour to get there, but no, we're starting off hot right now.

That's actually our whole show. Thanks so much for tuning in, folks. No, do you know what today is? Today is actually two momentous events because we're we're celebrating a decade of the Daily Wire, not just by looking backward, but by looking forward also. Oh, I don't know if you guys know this. This is the 8-year anniversary of Mr. Walsh at this company.

Is it?

Really?

Yes.

Do we celebrate that exactly? Is that the celebrate? Is that the word?

I think. Yeah.

Wow.

Well, do I get anything? Do I get like a publish?

I mean I mean to be fair, I mean, I think that you get a very large check.

I mean, like on a regular basis. So there's there's that. I mean, yeah. But I still want a cupcake. You know what we'll get, Matt? You do get something. We You will get to sound off on whether or not uh black people are disabled as the Supreme Court reliably. You You will get to sound off on whether or not young Republicans can talk about that in group chats. Uh and you will get to sound off on whether or not uh Gen Z is deayifying itself. All of that. You'll get to hear from Isabelle Brown. You'll get to hear from Jeremy and the Pen Dragon. Finally, we're going to get this great Pen Dragon uh uh release. you know, the the first look at it. We're going to get so much, but first we're going to look back because Matt, eight years ago, you were in a car and now you're not in a car.

Oh, are we throwing into something or you just saying that to me?

No, I'm just saying that.

Oh. Oh, God. I thought we were Something I I was Oh, there's the picture. I don't know if that's Yeah, that was me in the car. I um you know when I look back at these videos now uh I am I'm mostly perplexed by the hair. Like I didn't I didn't learn to comb my hair until I was about 32 years old. Like that's actually true. I didn't and I I don't I don't have great hair now, but at least I comb it. And it's so at some point between the like around 32 or 33 years old, I said I should probably start combing my hair at this point. And I and I did. But this was before that. So you can see it just looks like a dead animal on sitting on my head. It looks like a toupe. It looks like uh I don't know how my wife let me walk out of the house like that. But she let me walk out of the house like that many times for years.

I mean I feel like she didn't let you walk out of the house cuz you were literally broadcasting in a car. So you basically just stayed in your car all day, right? You you might have lived back there. I mean, that was I I do like that our idea for your show originally was that you were just going to sit in your car. And what kind of car is that? That that doesn't look like a super nice car. Actually, that that looks like

I don't want to I don't want to admit what kind of car that was. That was that was this was my we had one car. It was my wife's car. She brought it into the mar. It was a pad. It was a Volkswagen pad.

And uh she she brought it into the marriage. My car broke down. We only had one car. And so I had to go do I would go to a Walmart shopping center and do my my show with confused. There was no tinted windows as you can clearly tell. Shoppers are walking by just looking in at this guy ranting at his windshield. uh confused.

You look like an accountant who's like three sheets to the wind and drove out to complain about his wife on on TikTok. You know, ah she doesn't understand me. I remember.

There were already signs then though. Uh and I can see the Daily Beast headline of Matt Walsh broadcasting from Hitler's car. Coincidence? I think not. Drew, when we started uh all out here together like 10 years ago, I think you had more hair than Matt did there. Is that right?

I I actually did, although I didn't wear it on my head. Uh, as a secret when we started this, you weren't even there. No, I was here before you came on to be my Twitter voice, which I have to say was the last thing you ever did that actually was good. Uh, you sounded so much like me, I started imitating you just so I could sound like me. But I remember I had just been the first day we did this, I had just been to England to visit my son who was at Oxford. And for some reason, we had to, absolutely had to do it the next morning. So I flew in. I must have gotten an hour of sleep. I walked in and it was me and Ben in this uh pool house that Jeremy had and I did this like 15inute show or something like that. Looked got up, looked down and I was wearing bedroom slippers. I was wearing like, you know, I was and back then, you know, I was I was younger. I was like 105 and like I was look thought I forgot to put my shoes on. I literally came in for and and Jeremy said I noticed that. I know that was.

You know one one of my favorite things about this company and looking back on all of this is that is to see the change that occurred in Walsh and did not occur in Andrew Claven. I just it's one of my favorite things like like Walsh still had that like not full beard like it was kind of my style of beard actually like this kind of shortcut Zoran Manny thing that was happening right there. So he kind of looked half hipster and now of course he looks like a mountain man. And now of course Walsh looks like he belongs out in the forest of of New Hampshire chopping wood or something. But here he looks like he, you know, belongs fixing your computer at at one of those those repair shops at the mall. So then and then meanwhile you got got Drew. And Drew looks exactly the same. Drew is like the principal from Back to the Future. Didn't that guy ever have hair? I mean, just identical. Like you could just travel him back in time and supplant one Drew for the other Drew.

There's a picture in my room that has grown to be 400 years old. However, it's like just just slowly decaying. All my sins are written in the face. And then and then Nolles is like Nolles Nolles's story is is a good one because he he was kind of like the aggressive uh the aggressive climber at the Daily Wire. Like he started out as a guy who was supposed to, you know, answer.

The pizza boy.

Yeah. Well, you your original job was like social media marketing and you were never good at it. So we're like give him a show.

And when I say pizza boy, I meant I used to eat a lot of pizzas in the Daily Wire thing.

Dude, I mean that's how we used to eat. One of my favorite null's memories from the first 10 years of Daily Wire, like very early on, was he thought he was going to get cast in a movie. And so he thought that this meant that he had to somehow get a six-pack. And so the way he was going to get a six-pack was that he was going to walk around the the office just eating bags of meat, literally just like ziplo bags of ground beef. And he just walk around for like weeks on end doing this. And he just got fat at no point.

I gave 20 pounds of muscle. I never I didn't cut. I never cut. I just I got you know my favorite memory Ben of all those years ago this was pre fat I think was I was preparing this was like I don't know this is like year one and I was preparing to propose to my beloved wife sweet little Alisa and I bought the ring and I was all excited and then I told my friend uh Ben Shapiro and uh he promptly almost ruined my marriage propos my marriage maybe almost.

Yeah. Now, this is the thing. I Well, see, I thought like Nolles must have thought of me as a closer friend than than I was because, you know, like he thought, okay, you know, I'm confiding in Ben and like confiding in Ben, like unless you're like a really close friend, you should not confide in Ben, you know, I've I've got like a show. I got things to say. And and Nolles basically says, I figured, okay, he's telling me because it's after the fact. He already proposed. Like, why would why would he tell me if he had not already proposed? It's not like, you know, we spend hours dear diarying each other in the in the evenings or something. And so, he tells me. So, I go on the air and in the middle of the show I'm like, "And congratulations to Michael Nolles who who's proposing to sweet little Alyssa." And uh and then unfortunately for Michael, Alyssa listens to the show. Uh and uh and how how did you get out of that one? It was like some real jiu-jitsu. We cuz luckily she was listening to it, you know, all the time, but she listened after the fact. We went in there, edited that out of your show. We're able before it came out. It was very lucky. The the marriage went off just fine. And that just that prompts me to take a little trip down memory lane on our video screens.

This year, the Daily Wire turns 10. That's right, 10 years of leftist tears. Bottled unfiltered, and sold for a profit. Let's rewind. 2015, Caleb Robinson thinks the world needs smarter conservatives, so he decided to do something about it. Caleb calls Jeremy Boring. Jeremy calls Ben Shapiro.

What is going on?

They load up the truck and move to California. Yes, California. mission. Give quiet conservatives a voice loudly. Then then goes full viral first. He wrecks Pierce Morgan on CNN.

You tend to demonize people who differ from you politically.

And gets threatened by a dude cosplaying a woman on Dr. Drew.

You cut that out now or you'll go home in an ambulance.

Yeah, that seems mildly inappropriate for a political discussion.

Wa! The Ben Shapiro show is born.

Shocking to me.

Next up, Andrew Claven. Old guy, big brain, surprisingly funny.

This is the Andrew.

Then we give the intern his own show, Michael Nolles. Oh man. Then we find Matt Walsh recording in his car like he's on the run. We give him a desk. The beard thrives. Cut to 2020. Joe Biden, co inflation, high taxes, rampant illegal immigration, and of course the BLM riots. California was literally a dumpster fire. So we moved the company to Nashville.

Love partying. I love dancing. And I'm famously social.

Then we add a sports show, Crane and Company.

Very spot on.

The Morning Wire.

Thanks for waking up with us.

Candace joins.

I am so excited to share the news with you.

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Hey, what if we start making movies? Run, hide, fight, shut in, and Terror on the Prairie 2022. Matt Walsh drops What is a woman?

Why do you ask the question?

I just wanted to know what is a woman.

Then the greatest lie ever sold. We take down BLM.

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And all because of you. Get ready for what we have in store for the next decade.

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Gentlemen, can we please dive in on whether or not black people are disabled, by the way?

What are you? That's that's that's your opening.

It's not it's not black people are disabled. It's black people. It's a disability itself. The blackness is the disability. This is what I This is what Ken This woman is a chucklehead. First of all, you know, Katangi Brown Jackson is a chucklehead and and she just said she said this that they they should be able to have special, you know, voting districts because it's they can't get to the polls because they're disabled by blackness. That's basically that's what she said.

I didn't go to law school, Ben. Is that is that true?

I mean, that doesn't sound right. I mean, like, if I if I if I if I just like off the top of my head, it doesn't sound like a thing. That's that's true. And also it is it is just another amusing episode in that Ryan Long comedy special where like it's white supremacists and woke left and they're the same. Um, because all the white supremacists will also say that thing but Katanji Brown Jackson apparently did say that thing. Do we have audio of this? Cuz I don't actually believe your summary of this. Do we have like audio of her saying this thing? Cuz I would like to hear it. I guess I'm thinking of it uh of the fact that remedial action absent discriminatory intent is really not a new idea in the civil rights laws. And and my kind of paragmatic example of this is something like the ADA. Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities Act against the backdrop of a world that was generally not accessible to people with disabilities and so it was discriminatory in effect because these folks were not able to access these buildings. The idea in section two is that we are responding to current day manifestations of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities and make it so that they don't have equal access to the voting uh uh system, right? They're they're disabled. In fact, we use the word disabled in Milligan. We say that's a way in which you see that these processes are not equally open.

Oh no, that is not good. That is not good lawyering or human being. That is that that is that is bad. I mean the just just for for those who uh you know care about the law. The the ADA was which I think actually is a bad piece of law but the but the ADA originally was passed on the basis that you know like people in wheelchairs can't go upstairs and therefore they might need a ramp to go up into a building. And she's making the case that that's somehow like black people not having their own voting districts because they are somehow historically disadvantaged. Um well, I think the thing with the ADA is that disabled people are in fact disadvantaged by physical reality.

Um that that's that's a bit of a different. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. She's dumb. There's there's no other way to put it. She's just dumb. Uh Matt Matt, say something that'll get us canceled. Just do it. You want to I can see it in your eyes. Go.

If you really want me to. I mean, I was I was actually I was going to do the upside. I was going to speak in her defense a little bit. And the only thing I'd say in her defense is that uh there's no good argument that the other side can make on this case. They're going to lose the case. And uh we should I I it should be getting a lot more attention than it is because this might destroy the Democrat party's ability to get get a majority in the House of Representatives like ever again. Um, and and there's there's nothing that can really be said because what they what they're trying to defend is the proposition that in order to avoid racial discrimination uh in the way that we that that that district works, you have to deliberately racially discriminate by creating districts that explicitly exclude as many white people as possible. Like that that's the argument they're trying to make and there's nothing intelligent to be said in defense of it. And so that might be the best available argument is what I'm trying to say that she came up with. I don't know.

Fair.

Drew, I I know you were around when pie v Ferguson was decided. Do what do you make of this oral argument?

Well, I what I like about it is that this the Voting Rights Act was passed I think in ' 65. So that's 60 years ago, right? So essentially what they're arguing is that the country hasn't changed at all. So we have had all this Civil Rights Law. They've sued over the CI they've turned the Civil Rights Act into something that was never meant to be. They've destroyed our our right to free association. They say that, you know, they counting the heads, how many blackheads are in a room so they can none of that has helped. None of that has helped. All they have to do is take this wall down that was put up 60 years ago and suddenly, you know, Rod Stiger in a C sheriff's hat is going to show up again. He's he's just been waiting. He's been waiting behind that wall to come back. Nobody cares anymore. Nobody's stopping black people from voting. I mean they say these people think that it's a a disability that if you say oh you need ID like every country on earth you need ID to vote black people can't get ID how would how would they how would they know how to how would they understand how to get ID I do not understand I have asked this on college campuses I do not understand why any black man specifically a black man would let a party would vote for a party that treats him like a I don't understand it I mean I can understand women, they want to be taken care of. Something like that. I I who who would vote for somebody who talks about you like that. It's it's absolutely despicable though. It is hilarious, which for me is redeeming. You know, I'm always willing to laugh at it. And I just think I would have been really really funny if at the end of this John Roberts had just turned to her and say, "Madam, you're a chucklehead." I mean, that was just it would just made my day.

Well, black men are actually starting to make that move a little bit. And I know, listen, we we will get to uh whether or not young Republicans are allowed to katanji post in their group chats, you know, if they're allowed to make these sorts of racist and offensive comments. First though, Ben, could you tell us about ExpressVPN?

Would I? I would love to tell you about ExpressVPN. There's nothing more I would love to talk about than ExpressVPN, like literally in the whole wide world. Because here's the thing, Michael Moles has not been using his ExpressVPN. So, the the way that I know this is that ExpressVPN is supposed to protect you against hacking. It's supposed to protect you against, you know, people getting a hold of your data. And I'm not going to say that I hacked Michael Mo's email. I will say some material has come into my possession about Michael Mo's search history.

Hey.

Such as, and I have to say it is deeply embarrassing. Like truly embarrassing, like more embarrassing than that Politico chat. Um, apparently he searched his own name 36 times in the last two days.

Certainly. Uh, apparently that's.

He has he has, believe it or not, Thomas Aquinus fanfiction, which I didn't think was an actual category of fan fiction. I don't know who he's shipping there, but it's it's definitely weird. He's been searching non-stop about whether Starbucks is going to start serving pumpkin spice latte yet. Like, he will not stop with this crap. And you and worst of all, K-pop Demon Hunters ukulele covers. That is a thing that we can all expect sometime in the near future. So, don't let here's the thing, folks. Don't let people like me get a hold of your data the way that I got a hold of Michael Moles's data and then publicly embarrassed him because ExpressVPN can protect you. It can in fact protect you. It's an app that encrypts 100% of your online activity and rerooted through those secure servers. Third parties can't keep tabs on you. When I'm traveling, I've got ExpressVPN on all the time cuz I'm on airports or hotel Wi-Fi or wherever. Don't wait until it's too late. And don't be a dummy like Michael. The time to protect your data from the future is right now. Use my special link to get four extra months of ExpressVPN's privacy protection. and head on over to expressvpn.com/friendlyfire. That's expvpn.com/friendlyfire to get four extra months of coverage.

How's it feel? I was watching Miss Niels's tentacle porn. I don't uh Oh, man. You know what else I was searching for that Ben didn't mention?

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10 years. It's your 10y year anniversary. Where did the time go? I looked up online what you get somebody for their 10year anniversary. And the modern gift is diamonds. So that's out. Uh the more traditional gift is either tin or aluminum. So, I'm between sending you a pack of Altoids or a Dr. Fouchy vaccine, which is laden with aluminum. Just ask RFKJ. I think given the options, you're getting yourself a pack of Altoids. And what I mean by sending it is I love you. Here's to 10 more.

Here's to 10 years of standing firm, to 10 years of pushing boundaries, to 10 years of restoring integrity in media. And I will say to all my buddies at Daily Wire, I can't count how many liver cells and brain cells I've killed with you guys. I will say the particular joy of joining you guys and Lady Ballers. That that was something else. Ben, as a foulmouthed ref, that that is an image I never thought I'd see and I'll never see again. And everyone else, I just want to congratulate you for surviving with Michael Nolles on the payroll. I I don't know how y'all exist. I'm I'm astonished Michael hasn't bankrupted you, but somehow you've made it. Congratulations. I can't wait to see what you do in the next decade.

That was nice.

That was nice. Has anybody ever wanted to sneak up in back of Tim and just take that hat off and see if his brain is just naked under there? One one of my favorite memories honestly like first 10 years of Daily Wire was Jeremy Boring's 40th birthday party where I got Ted Cruz to come to to Jeremy's 40th birthday party and then Ted proceeded to give like an actual honest to God stump speech at Jeremy's birthday party. Remember this is like at a small pizza shop in the valley. It was it was pretty spectacular. Good times. Good times. Well, from that I feel like let's should we talk about something serious? Matt talk about something serious.

This has been far too much small far too much friendly small talk so far in this friendly fire. We got we got a lot of the friendly but not the fire.

We got a lot of fire.

Yeah. So, uh Okay. So, let's let's get into I I've been strictly instructed that the intros to these topics are supposed to be two minutes. But, uh my my primary and most reliable strategy in any debate is just to talk and not let anyone else filibuster is my only that's my only it's my only move. Uh so, you know, Politico, let's talk about Politico. This is one of the big stories happening right now. And for anyone who's not familiar, Politico published a couple days ago this big hit piece uh revealing the private group chat conversation of some young Republicans. And the young Republicans are not elected officials. They're not any anyone that anyone's even heard of for the most part. There's one person in the group chat apparently who works in the Trump administration who who is not recorded having said anything. So, he he was in it, but as far as we know, he didn't say anything quote unquote offensive. Um, but there were other comments made in the group chat as Politico uh reveals uh that were uh a lot of edgy jokes and a lot of um uh a lot of a lot of uh offensive uh language that's being used in the in this group chat. And most of it, as Politico finally admits in the article, if you read all 57 paragraphs of it, they'll finally admit that, yeah, most of this is supposed is supposed to be a joke. Uh although they don't, of course, put that in the in the the headline. And you know, the the title of the article has the quote, I love Hitler. And when you look at the context of that comment in the group in the group chat, it's very obvious that it is a joke. It's sarcasm. uh very much in line with the kind of sarcasm Republicans use all the time about yeah I'm real far right I guess I love Hitler. You know along the lines of me having theocratic fascist in my Twitter bio which isn't entirely a joke but it's mostly a joke. Um so this is kind of this this kind of breaks down a few different ways. And for me the story here is not the group chat because these are private messages between people that no one knows. um these are not relevant people and the only reason why the media is showing us this, the only reason why they're doing this is uh obviously it's a political hit and in particular they're trying to distract from the fact that the left has spent the last month I mean really much longer than that but especially the last month openly celebrating political violence and now we have a attorney general candidate is probably going to be the next attorney general of Virginia who was was was in his own messages saying not as a joke that u he wants his political opponents to die and even their children to die. And he was very specific that he was not joking about it. And so the left is looking to distract from that and their way of doing it is by somehow obtaining these these uh messages and putting them out to distract us. And you know, some Republicans uh have been very quick to offer their denunciations to say how offended they are, how horrible these messages are, that everybody involved should be fired, that they should never be allowed in politics again. Um I I think that that response is foolish. I think it gives the left exactly what they want. I've I have really appreciated JD Vance's response. Now, I think I think the vice president has struck exactly the right cord on this uh because he's not going to play the game. And instead, what he's done is he's he has redirected the conversation back to the thing that the left is trying to distract us from. There's only there's one reason and one reason only that this story exists and it's to get us to stop talking about Jay Jones and the leftists who've been celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk for the last month. That's the only reason that the story exists. And so JD Vance's point is no, I'm not going to play that game with you. I'm not going to give you what you want. Uh instead, I'm going to redirect the conversation back to the thing that you're trying to distract us from. And I think that that's exactly exactly the right move. Uh I think there's some disagreement about that, though. There's more to be said about it. But I'm going to go first to the guy who I think is most likely to agree with me, and that is Michael. Michael.

Well, you're right, Matt. I totally agree.

Is it the swastik on his forehead?

The only Yes. Hey, listen. we're Italian and Mussolini, he was a complex figure. Uh the my my only take on this that probably has not been said elsewhere is even the fact that we're talking about the ideology of the far right and comparing the far right to the far left and you know whether or not people like Hitler or whatever is actually kind of missing the point. I strongly suspect these messages were leaked by another young Republican that has been reported and having spent a lot of time with New York young Republicans, I promise you this whole thing is about some like petty personal grudge and it's some power play within New York politics and it actually has very little to do with the ideology or puditive ideology of of these texts. But I I totally agree. There is there is no comparison whatsoever between some 19-year-old kid who's making edgy jokes trying to outbase his friend in a group chat and a former state legislator would be top law enforcement official in Virginia saying, as you note, Matt, that he is not joking when he calls for the death of his opponents and and even the death of their children. So yes, not at all. Now the question then becomes, should we ever police our own? Should we ever have guard rails or do we say anyone you know to the right of Hillary is on our side? And I think the answer is obviously yes. There have to be guard rails. Just like a nation is circumscribed by its border. So too a political coalition is circumscribed. That's that's what delineates it as a specific coalition. But the question is how are we going to arrive at those guard rails? Are we going to say that anyone who ever, you know, gets caught telling an off-color joke to by Politico, they're completely cast into the outer darkness? No, I don't think that's right. I think we should have guardrails. We should police a coalition. And the way we should do it is very carefully. This was Scalia's answer when as a student we asked him, hey, you know, where do you draw the limits on the second amendment? Where do you draw the limits on story decisis? And everyone wanted a really ideological answer. And his answer was very carefully. We kind of know. We're prudent. It's a people business. And should these kids have their lives ruined because they were mouththing off and telling jokes in a group chat?

No, I don't think we need.

But we're not we're not prudent. So, I mean, here here's the thing. We're just not. I mean, so I I would agree with you that that quote unquote policing, you need to be prudent about how you police. I I also think that everyone agrees I would I would assume Matt included, and Matt, you told me if I'm wrong here, that, you know, there there are certain things that can be said that social consequences should actually attend to. Certainly, that's true on the left, right? If you say that you want to murder the speaker of the house and then calls the kids fascist, there should be social consequences that actually attend to that. I I agree with everything you say about the difference between a private group chat between a bunch of young Republican idiots uh who are who are outbasing each other and the attorney general candidate in Virginia actually saying that they're running for office. Now, I will say I don't think these people are are kids. I don't think 31year-old's a kid. I don't like using the the sort of language of kids to describe people who really should be married and have children of their own by this point in their life. And and I think that the the kind of loose playing with with that term as though if you're a 31year-old, which is what one of these people was, that somehow this is the equivalent of being 17. I don't think that's true either.

But the R go down to 22. I mean.

I agree. But but some of the people who are being quoted here are in their 30s, some are up all the way up to 40. I I get it. I get again, I'm not even disagreeing with the motivations of the Politico story. In fact, even on my show today, I talked about the motivations of the political story, which Matt, I agree, are completely scurless and designed to distract from the the sort of violent rhetoric we've seen from the left. But it has led to, I think, a a reactionary response on some parts of the right to say there should be no policing ever at all. No social consequences should ever attend to things that are said on the right. That it's basically just pure my side versus your side. The problem I have is number one, I think that's immoral. And number two, I don't think that's pragmatic. I don't think that's moral because I think that there are things that get said on the right that are really, really, really ugly and pretending those away doesn't make them go away. I think that they're rising. I think that they're getting more common. I know that my death threats from that side are getting more common. I know I have more security because of that. And it's not just from the left. I have lots of security from the left. And I also get lots of security from from the right. Matt, I think a little bit earlier today you tweeted that that kind of your litmus test is the people who are trying to kill you. And I totally get that. I also have that litmus test. The difference is that that I think that if somebody tries to kill you, Matt, there's a good shot that it's going to be a leftist. If if somebody tries to kill me, it's a freaking Agatha Christie novel. I just don't know which direction the bullet is coming from at this point given the the sort of various and sunundry radical extremes that exist. I'm not going to say that the right is equivalent to the left in this respect because I don't think it's been mainstream to nearly the same effect on the right that it has been on the left. But to pretend that it has not infiltrated a lot of very important spaces, I think is sort of whistling past the graveyard. Now again, that's not about the Politico story. Right? That's more of a broad commentary about where we are in the movement. And as a as a matter of sort of morality, we all have things where again, I'm not saying cast into the outer darkness? Right? I'm not calling for any of these people who I think everyone knows who I'm referring to, but I don't think I'm calling for any of these people to be deplatformed, removed from YouTube, or removed from Twitter. In fact, I've called for many of these people, Nick Fentes, for example, to actually be returned to Twitter despite the fact that we have some pretty significant disagreements, including the fact that he thinks that that I and people like me uh are scurless, you know, sons of Satan or whatever, however he would put it, you know, but you know, that that is a different thing from is this person part of quote unquote the movement that I belong to? And the answer there is he doesn't think I'm part of the movement that he belongs to, which he's made very clear. And so that gets into the the question of of prag there's the morality of when someone says something bad should you condemn it and I think that as a general matter you can do what Sears did right when some Sears is running against the attorney general candidate in Virginia she was asked about the political chat says yeah that's bad now you do Jay Jones which seems to me like a pretty good answer and a good way of of policing and and then when it comes to the pragmatic can.

You were in the group chat. I mean, one more point on the I just want to make one more point here and then you can say whatever you want on the pragmatic side. I fundamentally disagree with this idea that the reason that the right quote unquote loses is because we fragment while the left is unified. The left is losing because it unified around its crazies. Do not unify around your crazies. Sure, the crazies can vote for you. They can vote for your party. You can't stop them from doing that. It's a free country, but that doesn't mean they should have like a decisive voice in the future of of the movement. Because if you do that, you end up with the trans movement running the Democratic party and you lose from here to forever. It's the Democratic solidarity that's destroying them, not the Democrats as as a sort of fragmentaryary.

Sorry, hang on. Let me let me we'll go to Drew just a second. I just want to respond to two things there. And the first is and I and I've heard this argument that well the left is losing because they uh they failed to drive out the radical elements of their party. I just I I think there's a I think there's a false premise there, though. I don't I don't think that's actually happening. And I think, you know, Mandani, one of the most radical political figures we've ever seen in this country, is about to be the mayor of our largest city.

Cuz there are no Republicans or moderates in New York. Matt, I mean, Trump's been president twice. And it was the trans issue that killed Kla Harris in the last election because they won't stop doing the trans issue, which is the most extreme element of the party, including obviously, you know, what what happened to Charlie.

Yeah. Uh Yeah. And the trans issue was was a was a big problem for but but that's also that's another thing too is that when we talk about the ex the sort of the quote unquote radical elements of the right versus the radical elements of the left um these are not exactly the same thing. The radical element of the left denies basic biological reality. I mean you're you're you're militating against uh you know these these basic realities that we all understand. And that that's not that's not happening on the right there. There is no equivalent of that of someone saying that men can have babies. Like that's there's just no there's no exact equivalent of that. But the second point on the Politico article itself, okay, obviously if somebody says something publicly and they've decided to.

announce it to the world, well then that's fair game for anyone to disagree and anyone to say anything they want about it. But with that in particular, I I I think that in almost every case, if you are speaking in private, you're having a private conversation, and then somebody with obviously sinister intentions comes along and takes that private conversation and makes it public. In almost every case, my position is, and this has always been my position, I don't care. I'm not even paying attention to it. Okay? I'm I I am not going to uh dignify that. I'm not going to go along with I'm not going to give you what you want. I'm not going to reward that strategy. And by the way, part of that's that's a principled stand on my part. It's also it's like a self-preservation thing. I don't want I don't want people doing that to me. I don't want people going through and revealing my private conversations. Not because I'm saying those kinds of things, but because these are private conversations.

Now, there are exceptions to that. One exception is if you're running for political office and you want to be the top law enforcement official in a state and you've said privately that you think that, you know, half of your state should die. Well, that's one of those exceptions and I think probably in general if you're running for political office that's an exception. There are things that become fair game that otherwise wouldn't be. But but outside of those exceptions, um I just I I just I just fundamentally disagree with the idea that we should give these people anything that that they want or that we need to start now condemning things that were said in private in conversations that had nothing to do with us. We weren't involved. We don't have the context. uh they were not intended for any of us to even see in the first place. And uh should should we police that?

>> So I want to I want to say this f first. I agree with everything that Matt is saying in its context in the context that we're talking about. I don't see why I should care about these people on a private chat. I don't think private chats should be revealed. And when the New York Times is spewing out perversion and racism at a level that is far far beyond anything these people are saying and incitements to violence, I I don't see why a private chat compares to the New York Times and this and the crap that they turn out every day. I also agree with Ben that nobody should be censored. I don't want to censor absolutely anybody. However, let me say this. When JD Vance comes out and he condemns these people and JD Vance is one of my favorite people in the administration. He was my choice for vice president before Trump picked him. I think he's doing a spectacular job. He would have a lot more authority if he would stop hanging out with Tucker Carlson.

>> I guess it depends on what you mean by that exactly because if you if you disagree with things that Tucker Carlson says, then no one is saying that you can't disagree with them, you can't make your disagreement known, you can't debate them, what like of of course of course you could do that. Um I don't agree with everything that Tucker says. I don't agree with everything that that anyone on the right says.

>> It's a different category though than that. It's a different category. I mean, yeah, you know, you and I disagree. Ben and I disagree. We're all talking about the same world that's actually happening. You know, to say that

>> I think but Well, I guess I I think Tucker is talking about the same world. I think he's got

>> Yeah, I think he's got different views on the world than than you do. But if we're talking if we're talking about standing up and saying, "I disagree with that strenuously. Here's why." Well, then yeah, absolutely. If we're talking about um you know, I know you said you're not supporting censorship, but if we're talking about sort of driving somebody out of the movement, uh alienating them, saying you know that disowning them, that sort of thing, I absolutely totally very much disagree with that. Disagree, you might you might killing is the same as saying a man can become a woman. It's just as crazy.

>> Well, hold on. crazy. Let's take Tucker off the table there for a second because obviously Tucker is a very fraught topic for a lot of people, myself included. Um but but I think that you know I guess the question for Matt is there are certain people who you would basically say don't belong in the movement. And so the question I think for everybody and I think this is one that we should openly discuss. I mean if we're going to have these discussions is who doesn't, right? Like who doesn't? Where

>> I'll give you a a takeaway on this that is obviously timely. Uh when Charlie was killed, you know, the guy did like 10 jobs. I mean, it takes innumerable people to fill all the things he did. The most valuable thing he did from a political coalition standpoint is he kept the coalition together and his events were the events to go to and his his platform was was really setting the agenda for the Republican party. And Charlie made a really important point to have a a coalition in which he would not be pressured to to get rid of Tucker. Uh but he also wouldn't be pressured to get rid of people who hated Tucker who or who Tucker hated or whoever, you know, where the various constituencies hated them. But but Charlie, furthermore, to your point, Ben, also drew a line. There were plenty of people that were not permitted into TPUSA events. And so he did this in, I think, an obviously very effective way, a way that did not fall into the perils of, you know, a movement becoming too extreme. And I just wonder if there's not a lesson that we could take from that. I mean, I think I think a good here's a good rule of thumb about about Charlie, by the way. How about this? How about you probably don't belong in a leadership position, shall we say, in the conservative movement, if you won't just buy into the basic factual idea that Charlie Kirk was murdered by a gay man who is a trans furry lover. How about that? If you spend your days fulminating about all the other things with regard to Charlie that and and speculate that he was murdered by other forces, that seems to me not connected with reality. I mean, that's something that Erica has said, that's something TPUSA has said, like that that seems like that seems like a pretty good easy rule of thumb that if you if you're if you're spending all your days doing that. If even if you even tangentially are doing that, seems if if you're trying to divide them, Matt, I thought that what you said when Charlie died was right. You know, that one of Charlie's goals was to keep the movement together. It's obviously something JD is trying to do. He's trying to keep people in the room together. I totally get it. I've talked publicly about the fact that Tucker called me that 2 days after Charlie was shot and said like, "Let's stop let's stop fighting." And I said, "You know what? That sounds great to me. That's fine. I really don't want to be fighting with you because obviously we have other priorities. In fact, I even offered Tucker that we should get on stage together and talk about the things that we agreed with." He has yet to take me up on that offer. But the bottom line here is that, you know, when it comes to where you set limits, limits at some point are going to have to be set. And it seems to me that the the move on the right is that because we don't like the left at all. Because the left is bad, there must be no limit set. And any attempt to set a limit is somehow firing inside the tent. And what this actually leads to is many of the same people who are firing inside the tent then turning around and claiming that you're violating the truth.

>> Because I'll tell you what, it's it's Nick Fentes who's attacking Donald Trump on a regular basis.

>> Yeah.

>> It is Alex Jones who's attacking Donald Trump on a regular basis. I mean, it is Tucker Carlson who's attacking Donald Trump on a fairly regular basis, actually. No.

>> And and I'm and I'm and and I think that the friendly fire should stop across the board and and uh and I've been very clear about that.

>> You mean the show not just I think that the show

>> but so two two because I'm the two things. Uh number one uh yeah just on your point Ben about who killed Charlie Kirk. I I've been very clear about it. This was clearly a left this was leftist violence and we should stay focused on that. I think we're letting them off the hook when we when we try to we try to blame anybody else other than the left. This was leftist violence for sure. Um does that mean that anyone who feels differently uh should be drumed out of the movement? No, I don't think so. And I also I also think that that we're that you know it's like we're not even in a position to decide well who should be a leader, who should have a platform, who should be, you know, who should be getting attention in this movement. It's it's like that's not up to us up to us to decide anyway.

>> Hang on a second. Let me just say after Charlie died, okay, a couple a couple days after Charlie died, I put out a tweet where I said that I I I want to call a truce. I can only do it on my end. I want to call a truce. Uh I want to extend an olive branch to everybody on my side. Everybody on the right, okay? Everybody to the right of Bill Maher. I I want in including him. Not that I ever had really a beef with him, but I want to extend a um a truce because we we are dealing with a threat. We are dealing Drew you said it yourself. These are people like the political violence is is on on one side. This is on one side. There is one side that engages in political violence. There is one side that like rejects the basic the basic realities of life. There's one side that's responsible for murdering 60 million babies in this country. Okay? There's it's it's one side. And so I think that for right now, maybe we'll get back to the big the arguments. Maybe we'll get back to the infighting. We'll get back to that in the future, I'm sure. But for right now, I think we need need to be unified against this threat. Especially now, especially with the midterms coming up and the presidential election right after that, the left, if they get back into control, they're going to be out for blood even more than they ever have been. And so, we need to be united against that together. And that's what I said when I said that a couple days after Charlie's death, you know, the response I got, almost every single comment I got was was yes, amen. Absolutely. I'm with you. Almost every single comment, I said the exact same thing, the exact same thing like two days ago. and and it's completely flipped now. Almost every single comment is, "How could you say this? I can't unite with them. There's no way. I can't do that." And and it it's just I haven't changed. I'm still I'm what I'm saying is no different than what I said a month ago. I haven't changed. I don't think the situation has changed at all. And and and and I don't know why everything else has flipped

>> because I think because I think if you take that to its full extent, it it's it's crazy. It it works. It works within a context, but surely there is some kind of human decency level that you can cross where no, you're not on my side. I mean, I don't understand why if you support the, you know, the cat's paw of Iran where they sit around and chant death to America, what makes you a conservative? What makes you a conservative? That you you say tough sounding things? I mean, that you talk in a, you know, in a loud voice about, you know, the problems of the country? You know, I don't know. What makes you a conservative if you are in favor of a regime that you know used to have until Trump took it away? The capacity to actually hurt us? You know, I don't understand the anti-American.

>> I would say you're not I would say you're not on our sides. You're not a conservative if you are not interested in conserving and preserving and defending Western civilization. And and the I guess the the one point I'll I'll give in in you know in your favor Drew and Ben is that I do think that there are some people who claim to be conservatives who who actually are not interested in conserving Western civilization at all.

>> And uh and so if you don't want to conserve that then like we're just not we actually are fundamentally because that that's the thing I'm saying we need to unite to defend is western civilization. And so for example

>> civilization that has to mean something right.

>> Yes. Right. So, so for example, in in, you know, recently I've been talking about the Islam the the uh Islamic takeover of Dearborn. And I've had people who I guess claim to be conservatives who are trying to tell me that that actually, this is a very good thing that our country becomes Islamic. And it's like, okay, we're clearly not on the on on the same side. This this you're trying to conserve Islamism, and that is not what I'm trying to conserve. Um, obviously you get to a point where those where it's like, yeah, like lines are drawn and I think the line is at conserving and defending Western civilization and anyone anyone who's on board with that and wants to do that. Um, I'm I I think we should we should work together. But if someone if someone says, "I'm not interested. I I I don't want your olive branch. Screw you." Which I have gotten that response from a lot of people. Well, then that's your choice and we got to

>> I just don't want you guys. I don't want to make the decision on who's defending Western civilization according to popularity. I don't think that's

>> right. This this has all been very fun. I mean truly truly enjoyable. But Matt, I need you to talk to us about how you sleep at night.

>> Hold on. I got a better transition. Let me do the transition. I got a better one. How do you sleep at night?

>> I got a better one. So, hey, you know, we've been talking about who it would be credential for us to get in bed with politically. Now, Matt, would you tell us about how you get into bed? Well, it was a much better transition.

>> I don't know. I thought Ben was better to be honest.

>> That whole segment was

>> uh Yeah. Let me tell you about about uh about this. I'm going to do it very organically. Oh, this isn't even an ad read. This is There's no text here. It's just prompts. You guys are throwing this at me. I don't usually get I'm I'm like remedial when it comes to

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>> Very kind of is in fact is in fact available over at that Daily. usually kind of you to call it a bald spot.

>> I usually call it my head.

>> You know, the other thing that I really want to talk about is uh how the Gen Z is deayifying itself. And for that, since we're all very old, we're going to bring on a bright, young, hot, zoomer, fresh and fit kind of talent. Uh but first, Ben, I want to go back to men of a certain age. Do we have an update on Jordan?

>> We do. So, I we we have been talking with Michaela over at the Peterson household. Uh she's wonderful, obviously, and Jordan is on the mend. Uh she she did tell us and and we obviously agree that it is worthwhile. She wants him to be public obviously. She wants all of his messages to continue to be heard. And so it's actually I think quite important what we are doing here at Daily Wire by ensuring that pretty much all your Jordan Peterson needs continue to be fulfilled that that we that we actually get as much of his material out there as possible. He is on the mend. We're looking forward to seeing him back and all of us are are praying for him and praying for his family right now. So that that that's sort of the the update at the moment. What you already know is not sufficient to guide you into the future. To negotiate properly, you have to know what you want. So then you might ask, well, how do I know what I want? If you take your problem seriously, the probability that you can carve out a path in life that will constitute a success well certainly increases. You're going to encounter obstacles, some of which might be the size of dragons along the way. You see what it would be like to care for someone. You see what it would be like to have someone care for you and value you. You have little kids for a very short period of time. It is a major mistake not to notice that and not to appreciate it.

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>> Hey gang, how's it going? I'll tell you, waiting in the wings the last few minutes was quite entertaining. Isabelle, I need to know. Is your generation not gay anymore? It's like that video like I'm not gay anymore. Is that is that happening?

>> And if so, where are we going to get our interior designers?

>> Tell you people, I have been trying to warn the world that Gen Z the kids were all right for a very long time. Literally a year ago, a little over a year and a half ago, I should say, was laughed off set at every TV network, every radio station, every podcast when I presented my book that it was Gen Z that was going to save America, that no one wanted to be a lame gay chick like Disney wanted us to be, and South Park so beautifully predicted. Uh, the numbers of course needed some time to catch up, but I think the kids are going to be all right. And none of this information out of this new study shocks me. The idea of the cultural fad of the transgender cult, which is really what we've been seeing for a long time, has already been disillusioned thanks to people boldly speaking the truth. I know you guys were mentioning Charlie just a few minutes ago when I spoke on campus at the first prayer vigil uh at the campus that he was scheduled to speak at next, my alma moater at Colorado State. There was a young woman who came up to me and I just think this is so indicative of the Gen Z story right now. She said, "I have to tell you something." thing and when she started speaking to me, I was a little wondering where she was falling on the political spectrum. She gave extreme leftist vibes, but she pulled me aside and she said, "I have to tell you something. Charlie Kirk saved my life from gender ideology. I thought that I was non-binary. I thought that I needed to castrate myself and take all of these uh puberty blockers and hormone affirming drugs. I thought I was going to end my life at one point because of all of these lies. And only one person ever had the courage to tell me the truth that I am a woman and I was created on purpose to be a woman and that was Charlie Kirk. He wasn't mean about it. He was kind about it. Uh but he let me have self-respect and ability to look in the mirror and love what I was seeing for the first time in my entire life. And I think of all of the work that you guys have done for the past 10 years with the Daily Wire, the efforts of people like Charlie Kirk because people were good enough to tell the truth to the next generation when everyone else was lying to them. We are not gay anymore. That's the good news. That sounds almost too hopeful. I want to turn to Matt because Matt, you must be torn on this. On the one hand, you've helped lead the charge against the Lavender Mafia. So, I think you'll be inclined to claim a victory here. On the other hand, you're profoundly doer and pessimistic and won't want to admit that things are getting better and maybe they're not getting better. So, what what is it? Are we uh are we not gay no more?

>> So, my my ego is battling my pessimism is what you're saying. what's what's going to win out.

>> Uh I I think that um you're right that the study that you're talking about is it's a it's a little bit it's it's not quite as clear-cut I think as people want it to be. Um because it is focused on this non-binary thing. And I don't know that we can say that, you know, Gen Z isn't gay anymore. I I don't know that we have the evidence that it's becoming less gay. I think I I think all the evidence in fact is the other way. Gen Z is a lot more gay than any other generation. But I do think based on this study and also just like and and other studies and other data and and just anecdotal observations from a lot of us that uh the trans and non-binary thing I think is declining. It's losing steam and that and that was that was inevitable you know and the reason why is because nobody ever really believed it to begin with. Um the the only way I mean transgenderism as a concept as we all know it's been around for a long time. It's been around for many decades. it didn't explode onto the the scene in this kind of mainstream way until about 10 years ago, 2015, 2016. And um and the way that it was able to proliferate from there and and seemingly take over an entire generation, is by all the people who knew better not saying anything, either because they wanted to be polite or because they were afraid of the backlash or because they thought ideologically that they had to be okay with this or some combination of the three. And so that it wasn't that people had all these people had fallen into this trance. It's that most people knew it was crazy and um went along with it for those reasons. A little bit like the masking. It's like it's like masking, you know, everyone went along with it. Everybody was masking and we walked around for a couple years thinking that it'll be like this forever and that am I ever going to be able to see another person's face in public ever again. And then what do you know? Within about like 6 months, no one no one's doing the mask anymore. And and the reason why is because most people wearing the mask, it's not because they actually thought they had to. It's because they were just going along with it for those same reasons. Political ideology, fear. And I think it's the same thing with trans. So now that that's done, like people aren't afraid anymore. People are not afraid to say what they know is true on this issue. And uh it was that that was the silence that was needed in order for this um virus to take hold. And so the environment isn't there anymore. And and so I'm not surprised that uh we're seeing this trend and I don't know if it's going to extend over to like homosexuality, but I do think with trans and non-binary that it's on its its way out.

>> Well, Drew, you were friends with Cole Porter. Do you think that this is a longer scope trend or is it going to be just confined to the non-binary?

>> No, it's a longer scope. First of all, I want to agree with Isabelle that I think her generation will actually save the world. every every single one of them I met, they're they're they are not the way the two generations between the boomers and them are. They they aren't hostile. The women dress like women. The men look perfectly comfortable being men. They don't radiate the kind of hostility that I get uh from the people who are around like 50. Uh, you know, it's just it's just that somehow feminism I think seems to have lost its uh grip on them and they seem just much more comfortable in their skins. And so I'm very hopeful. what I read in this uh study because I agree it's a little it's a little amorphous but first of all it a lot of it is coevil with the pandemic so people are locked away they're told that they they stink if they tell the truth they told they're mean if they you know don't lie about where the virus comes from how the virus is cured what what is working not working they go nuts people went nuts and the thing about transgenderism is it is a mental illness being homosexual is not necessarily a mental illness if you define a mental illness in as believing things that simply are not the case, then believing that you're a woman when you're a man is a mental illness by definition. But if you're attract if you're a man attracted to men, then you that's who you actually are. So it may be a problem, but it's not a mental illness. And so I think that the mental illness wave that was c was caused by the pandemic is receding. I think the way the mental illness wave expressed itself was because of what Matt was talking about this induced mental illness of believing what the left is saying and their incredible domination which we finally broke of the means of of communication. So if you own themies, if you own the news media, if you own Hollywood, then it feels like everybody is telling you that you must be, you know, the wrong sex. And and that has an effect. It had a real effect. And I think that that grip has been broken as well. So yeah, I'm I'm pretty hopeful. I think the thing about being gay is that it's not a choice. I think people are born gay, but I think it can be a choice. I think people can, you know, uh, experiment with it and dabble in it. And I think there's been a lot of that. And I think that'll recede, too. I what I want to see is more babies. That's the thing I want to see. And there's only, you know, right now there's only one way to make them. And when there is another way, it's going to be bad. So, I think I would like to see more people just making and taking care of babies.

>> I can't take all this optimism. It's making me a little nauseous. I just I can't I can't, guys. Like, I can't. It's It's late at night where I am, and I've I've had it. We're We're way too deep into the show for this much optimism. So, let me explain for the pessimists in the crowd why all this is happening. The reason that this is happening is actually a good reason, but that is that trans was the ultimate victimhood status. And people are constantly seeking the ultimate victimhood status because it allows you to get away with literally anything, including forcing 99.99% of the rest of humanity to redefine reality in coordination with your ideas of yourself, which is like the greatest thing in the world from a particular perspect. It's actually quite bad for you. But from the perspective of getting one up on literally all of the rest of humanity, if you earn that incredible victimhood status that applied to trans people for like three or four years or 10 years in in in the United States, that's like a great place to be. And then the victimhood status went away because of things like what Matt did and what we did obviously here at Daily Wire over the course of the last 10 years. Insanity reasserted itself and you're no longer considered an inherent victim because you're a man who claims to be a woman or the opposite. In fact, in some cases, you may in fact be an aggressor as we have seen repeatedly from time to time. I think that non-binary is sort of the same thing. Like people just saw through that's not a victimhood status. Like non-binary is just you being weird. Like you you just saying that you don't have a sex is that's just silly. And I think the next one to go is bisexuality. It's going to go in reverse order. Bisexuality is usually just either straight people pretending to be gay or gay people pretending to be straight. the the the sort of bisexuality thing is likely to go. In fact, that's what the stats show is a huge number of people who identify as bisexual actually are just heterosexual. Like they've only had partners who are heterosexual paired in the last year or two years or 5 years but call themselves bisexual because it's based on your your level of self-identification. The the reason I'm pessimistic about Gen Z, aside from, you know, the statistics, uh, is the fact that Gen Z, if if they lose the victimhood status in terms of sexual relations, which is really what's happened is that we were in a period where the next victimhood class was not race, the next victimhood class was sex. And that has gone away because frankly it got boring and no one cared and there's nothing more to transgress. Everything had been transgressed up to and including whether men and women exist. And so what's the next victimhood status? I think the next place that the young people will go for their victimhood status is economic victimhood. So I'm I'm optimistic that young people are going to move away from some of the crazier I'm sexually identifying as a cat routine, but I think they are going to increasingly identify as somehow economically dispossessed and then call for massive government interventionism, which is mostly what the Mam Donnie moment is about. So and and that by the way is what you were seeing in the polls for young people. Young people are increasingly hot on socialism and communism. They're increasingly hot on massive government interventionism. They don't really like capitalism very much. And so I think that the the next sort of victimhood status is going to go back to classic Marxist victimhood status, which is if you are poor or if you just can't get an affordable apartment in New York, it must be because the victim the the system is somehow screwing you. Ben, you know what you can also get? So, first of all, Isabelle, wonderful to to have you with us. Uh congratulations on the show launch, the Isabelle Brown show. Uh which how many weeks in is it? I think we're on our sixth week, but honestly, we launched two days before Charlie was killed, so everything just feels like a fever dream in the last several several weeks.

>> Felt like it's been on for one day.

>> Yes, everybody should go watch it. Isabelle, always wonderful to see you. You without question beautify the room with these disgusting

>> damning you with faint praise.

>> Also, by the way, that's and then some and then and then a lot some actually. Also, by the way, Ben, you were saying people are all going to be broke under communism, whatever. You know, they're going to they're going to have this economic class warfare. Well, even if you're completely destitute, I've got such a great deal for you to also keep up your health. And that is balance of nature. Drew, I know you're looking uh bad. And so, I decided I I brought these here. I wanted to give these to you. I wanted to give you some balance of nature.

>> Give me some balance of nature. Oh my goodness. That's That's amazing. That's a nullles. You actually accomplished something. This is

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>> Well, after all of that pessimism about Gen Z, I'm going to give you a place where optimism blooms, the Middle East. Um, but but actually, I actually am quite optimistic about the Middle East, believe it or not, right now. And that's because we have a president named Donald J. Trump. And and I've said since term one that the most successful element of Donald Trump's presidency has been his handling of the Middle East. If you can actually make deals happen in the Middle East, that's an extraordinary thing. And Donald Trump has been the only person in my lifetime who truly has made deals happen in the Middle East. So, I was actually in the Israeli parliament in the Knesset at the invitation of the embassy of the United States, Makabe, um for the for the speech that that President Trump gave and it was just fabulous. It was just so wildly enjoyable. So, first of all, I think you have to understand that the situation on the ground in Israel, the the number of uh just the overwhelming population, their desire, their need for these 20 live hostages who were held in terror tunnels for 2 years to come home was extraordinary. I mean, just it it bled out on the streets. If you if you walk around the streets of any city in Israel and and much of the country, you will see pictures of the hostages and they've been up for 2 years. And so the fact that they actually came home on a split screen, President Trump is talking in the Knesset while these people are coming home to their families at the same exact time and the president was able to somehow get the entire world on board with a demand that Hamas give up these live hostages and that Israel not have to give up its security position in the Gaza Strip. Israel retains control over some 53% of the Gaza Strip and still has some security oversight of enormous amount of the rest of the Gaza Strip. By the way, all the same people who are very, very upset about quoteunquote genocide in the Gaza Strip seem to care not one wit. That since Israel has pulled back a little bit, Hamas is legitimately just pulling people out of their homes and shooting them dead in the middle of the street by the hundreds apparently in the Gaza Strip. But Trump's speech was just spectacular. And the amount of enjoyment in the room, I mean, Trump was going long. He was riffing. He was he was making jokes and people were people were keeling over. I mean, it was so funny. It was so good and so funny. And you know, we're all used to hearing President Trump do this routine because he's done it for years and years in the United States. But but the fact that he was able to, you know, come to the Middle East, bring people together who legitimately, you know, all these countries don't believe in Israel's existence technically, uh, that that he was able to to actually, you know, bring all those people together and get live hostages out is an extraordinary accomplishment. It can only happen because Donald Trump's real estate skills from New York somehow map exactly and directly onto the Middle East in a very bizarre like he just got rid of all the State Department conventional wisdom. That's a bunch of horses and he just did the thing that he did in rooms in New York for legitimately decades and it worked.

>> I have two just two things I want to say. When I was I was watching the whole thing on TV and I you know obviously great joy over the release of the hostages. But when I saw Donald Trump in Egypt and the leaders of the Middle East or array behind him, the leaders of Europe arrayed behind him, all I could think was, "Holy crap, the guy has actually made America great again." It has been since Reagan that we have seen America take that kind of aggressive leadership. Which also is a statement of manly governance, which I love. And and finally his statement his the open talk about God. I remember when we started the Daily Wire you and I used to argue about whether we could use God as a as a reason when we put forward our ideas. And I kept saying we have that is the reason we believe the things we believe in. And without God everything it the left says makes sense. And I am so thrilled to see God back in the public square because I think he is he is the reason we say the things we say. And the only other thing I want to say about this is how how tough is BB Netanyahu that Donald Trump is the good cop. That's an amazing thing. Donald Trump comes into the interrogation room and says to Hamas, uh, you know, you want to talk to me, I can help you, but you don't want him. And yet Netanyahu's outside going, "Let me out tear those people to pieces." Okay, we'll talk to Trump. You got to be a fairly tough guy to make Donald Trump the good cop. And I think all all credit to Netanyahu for doing that. Nullles have your thoughts on this or not?

>> I do. I have a political thought on it which is one obviously it's great we want peace in the region for the purposes of justice but as an American concerned about American politics. I I don't want Israel to be an issue that creates problems for us. And there have been plenty of people on on the left I guess and also on the right who have tried to make Israel this issue that threatens the right-wing coalition. And so the thing I really love about Trump getting this peace is one, he was negotiating past the sale the whole time. He was saying, you know, hey guys, I really hope we get a piece because otherwise I'm going to ship all the Palestinians out and I'm going to build a casino in Gaza.

or something. So he was he was able and at the time you had all these nannies who were screaming and whining. I said he's doing what he always does. He's negotiating and I I think he has such a good track record at this point. I trust him to do it. I'm going to let the guy cook.

But but even more than that, I just think there there are people who have all sorts of views on Israel, Palestine, whether or not America should be involved in the Middle East or to what degree we should be involved. And to me, the the big win for conservatives and Republicans here is not for exactly one niche view over another to win out, but for this issue to reduce in importance. And that was obviously always going to happen after the war ended, after some kind of peace was achieved, if peace could be achieved so that we could focus on the issues that are of of greater importance to Americans and that are bigger winners for the Republican party.

You know, if the Democrats were able to do this on trans, for instance, you know, where some some of the Democrats realize that trans is is nuts, but some of the Democrats are just totally bought in on it. There's really no way for them to win that with their base in the general public. So the only way they win is for that issue to just kind of drop down a little bit in importance. And I think that's what's probably going to happen here. And now we can focus on the things that people really really care about. >> You know, economy, immigration, all the rest. And even in terms of foreign policy, I don't know. I guess we're zapping boats in Venezuela. Now, to me, that's a big win, not only for global justice, but just domestically, politically. Trump just keeps keeps throwing W's on the board.

>> Can I Can I Can I actually Can I jump in? >> I just want to say I agree with that. Yeah, I I I totally I totally disagree with it. I have to say that that people people Israel is very popular. We need them as an ally in the Middle East. They're a good ally. They're the only the only army that can extend its power outside of its country except for Turkey and they're much better friends and that means we can turn our defensive attention to the east, which is what we have to do.

Well, I mean, I actually I agree with Nolles that actually this issue going away as a top issue is definitely good for the country because the media had had retailed such an enormous pack of lies about this that and and Tik Tok and all the rest of it that it was extraordinarily polarizing. But I think that it only is a good thing if it ends with an Israeli victory. If it ends with Hamas somehow winning a victory, that's a horrible thing for the United States because it's a terrorist group. It's a bad thing for the West because it's a terrorist group. If Iran extends its sphere of influence, that's a very bad thing.

Now you have a bunch of countries that again have very little in common except opposition to Iranian terrorist groups and hopefully a willingness to grow economically now attempting to work together. That's a massive victory. So it's not just that it's off the front pages obviously that's a good thing but also that it's off the front pages in precisely the right way which is the really that that's the that's the thing. Anybody could have gotten a bad deal perhaps but it it actually took President Trump to get a very very shockingly good deal and that that's that's a truly amazing thing.

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