Clif High on Hyper Novelty + Disclosure + David Wilcock + Home Made Bread! The Mark Attwood Show

Hello, welcome to the Mark Outward Show. Adventures in a cosmic suit. How's it going?

Thanks for all your comments yesterday about that video where I said it's getting a bit weird. It's getting weirder. It's getting weirder every day. Is it The Matrix? Is it all pre-planned? Are we watching a movie? Is it the end of the world? Who knows?

Well, some people know. And I just want to remind you all before we start that the second edition of this book, which chronicles the co years, God wins spiritual war poetry, the co years, is out on Amazon. I know it's Amazon, but look, the first edition was so expensive, people were paying a fortune to get copies of it. So I made the pragmatic decision to put it out there because so many people asked me to do it. Why did they ask me to do it? Because I wrote a lot of poems.

Here's one of them, just before I bring my guest on.

"There and back again. Ma wa tah he he ta cara ma. There and back again. Do you see multi-dimensional beings are we? From the energy of the first light through the calendar of the light of days with the veil down, we were in a haze. 1 to 10 and back again. In the darkness, we held each other tightly until the light came. The dragon blood, the taki, the aashic potentiality. At the speed of memory, we came there and back again. From the I am to the we are. We came far there and back again. You going today? How are you doing? Look, there and back again."

What does that mean? Well, have we been here before? Is this a repeat of a program? Is it a dream? Who knows?

Let's talk to a man who knows more than me about pretty much everything. Please welcome for the first time on my show, Cliff. Hi.

>> How you doing, sir?

>> Hello, sir.

>> That's funny. Good poem, though.

>> Oh, cheers.

>> I never plan what I'm going to do. I just go, "Yeah, I'm going to do that today." Um,

>> uh, I've got a big thank you to, uh, I've got a big thank you for you. You ready? I bet you can't guess what I'm going to thank you for.

>> Having a clue. Here's a clue. Big bag of Emma flour.

>> Baking your own. E.

>> Well, I saw one of your posts about the old flower and I was like, Dad, because you know, I've been trying to solve a problem here for years, which is, and this might make you laugh, but one thing Ireland has never caught on to is the concept of pies. Ah. They just don't get it. It's massive in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa. The Irish just never have taken. And I want to make a healthy pie. And the problem with all the all the current flour and all the pastry is it's [ __ ] So I saw that and I was like, I've never heard of that. I'm going to get some Emma flour and I found somebody in Ireland that makes it and I'm doing the pastry and it's so thank you for that. Thank you for a lot of things actually.

>> Sure. Yeah, it's really good stuff. High protein, it's quality. I've pretty much abandoned the white flour now. Even the non-brated one, it requires a little bit of um extra technique to turn into decent bread. Okay. You have to give it that extra time to raise. Sourdough appears to be a better approach than commercial yeast.

>> Uh but boy, it's fantastic and my dogs really like it, too.

>> Well, the one thing I haven't got around to yet is making the yeast with the is it the raisins? Because I bought raisins,

>> right? And then I looked at them and they're all they're all treated with stuff. I've got to find natural ones. But um

>> you can you don't have to use raisins. Almost any fruit will do. And so frequently uh when they're when the raisins are like treated and and sterilized basically with all of the preservatives on them, you can go to something like canned fruit. Uh because canned fruit usually contains very little in the way of a preservative or an anti-yeast. And so what I've done in the past is to take canned peaches and take one peach out of there, eat the rest, and then uh puree it, put it with some water, and let it sit out exposed. It'll have natural yeast in just a few hours.

>> Well, you know, I think we should do a cookery series instead of all this conus. What do you think?

>> I think so, too. Yeah. And we got to we got to cure this pie thing for the Irish. There's There's nothing

>> Yeah. There's nothing better than You guys don't have huckleberries though, right?

>> No, we don't.

>> Oh, okay. We'll have to find a local native uh high um anthocyanin berry for you guys to make pies out of.

>> Well, you know, black currants are good.

>> There you go. Black currants, blackberries. Yeah.

>> Gooseberries. Gooseberries are good.

>> Gooseberries. Yep. They're not They're not quite as good as the blackberries. They don't have as much of the the blue purple that that is so healthy for you. So

>> yeah. Well, you know, thank you for the health tips. It's uh it's been

>> Sure.

>> Well, you know, it takes a lot to get to um uh to survive these days, right? The um the evil system is intent on crushing us all and grinding us down with everything from chemtrails to polluted water to polluted mines. And you have to fight back wherever and and constantly.

>> Exactly. And it's um practical stuff and it's fun because I'm I'm having this conversation with my kids all the time and with my neighbor this morning. I was like my neighbor came around this morning. You'll like this story. And he said he's got this buzz in his in his head every night he goes to bed. I said well. And he thinks it's the Wi-Fi. And I said well sure it's the Wi-Fi and you got to turn that off and you could get some organite and do this. There's lots of things you can do. But then I was looking at him and I said, "That thing on your head?" And he's wearing a hat and I was like, he said, "Yeah, I bought it yesterday." Because you have to wear a hat in this country because it's like 10 seasons in 10 minutes here.

>> And um his hat was obviously acrylic. I said, "Well, that's not you know, do you know the frequency of acrylic compared to wool, linen, cotton?" And he was like, "I haven't got a clue." And I said, "Your shirt, that's plastic. Your top's plastic. You're disengaged from the earth, so you're full of positive ions. You got plastic trousers." I said, "You got to sort your wardrobe out." And then he said, "I can't afford it." I said, "Well, go to vintage." Which is great. My kids got me on to vintage. I can go and get secondhand stuff, branded stuff, super cheap, made of organic cotton and linen, and it's great. It's solving problems on a practical level.

>> Well, also, if he's got a headache, the very first thing he should do is to simply take his shoes off and go stand on the grass.

>> That's what I told him. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> He's full of positive ions. There's no way of it getting out because of the plastic shoes. Anyway,

>> takes 20 seconds to

>> Talking of which, that's a good segue because um I was uh you you know Janine. I know you know Janine. Me and Janine were touring in America in 2022.

>> We're in the back of a car and it had been like a nine-hour drive. So, we got out to stretch our legs and I took my boots off, stood on the grass grounding myself and this Native American girl, I say girl, she was about 25, walked up to me and she said, and this relates to the poem I just played. She said, "My people say we are walking through a dream we've already had." And then she walked off and I was like, "Oo,

>> that's you talking to you." And then I went back into the car and I said,

>> "Today feels like I'm in the Celeststeine Prophecy." You know that book? You do you ever read that book?

>> Yeah, I did. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And I said, "I'll feel like that." And then I got a message literally within 10 seconds from somebody who we' done a talk for in southern Carolina and she the message said, "Oh, my friend who wrote the Celeststeine prophecy wants to talk to you." I was like, "Oh, come on." That's why I think we're in a very interesting situation.

>> Okay. So your your perception is is uh accurate and also um and so we're we're faced with a dichotomy. Okay. This dichotomy has come in ever since the 1700s and the creation of what we we call the age of enlightenment where uh Descartes and his um Cartesian uh framework rose. Okay. Left, right, up, down, that kind of thing is all there is. Matter is solid. And if you removed all consciousness from universe, all matter would still exist. All of those things are false. Right? Up, down, all of these things, none of those exist. It's all our minds interpreting information. Our minds never move. Our bodies never move. That's an illusion. Our minds are forever part of the uh grander, greater uh supreme everything, the absolute. we just have a finite version of that which is why we can't conceive of things well and uh and we get to this point where uh we are faced with this dichotomy and I personally find living in a an aware awake uh informative universe is ever so much more fun than living in the Cartesian dead material space right the materium and so the universe talks to myself and Heidi constantly and as it does to you and you just need to open up your eyes in order to receive valuable uh affirming and sometimes directional guidance from universe, right? Uh and and it makes life ever so much more interesting, ever so so much more productive and you get to meet all kinds of interesting people and the universe will provide you just what you need when you need it. And it and the synchronicity is just elegant. It's uh exquisite. Uh I love those moments.

>> So do I. Now it it is beautiful when you live like in fact I I had a meeting with somebody yesterday who said I'm on this spiritual journey. What do I do next? I said what are you asking me for?

>> Do I look like I know what I'm doing? No, I haven't got a clue.

>> Right.

>> I said I said to I said you just got to start listening.

>> Listening to what? I was like well just listen and you'll find it

>> right.

>> I don't think that was very helpful. I I try to give these people um that come to me this way a perspective you know a paradigm in which to exist. So I tell them to you know read the hermetic principles the uh Kabbalah you know this kind of thing and then you get the idea right. Yep. There you go. And you no matter where you go it's the same principles. So Hermes was recast as Thoth for the Egyptians. He predates both of those. He predates the Vedas. you know, uh, all of this stuff exists in the Vedas. It comes all the way through. We even see it in like the Law of One, uh, stuff, all of that business, right? Yeah. And it's all simply restatement of the hermetic principles. And, uh, this tells you that you're living in a an aware, participatory, directional, and reaffirming universe. And you can you can accept it or you can close your mind and and live in that hellhole that the people that spray the chemtrails are trying to create, right? That sort of thing. And it's a matter of choice.

>> It is a matter of choice. And um

>> that that excuse me, that's the that's the spiritual part. So here's here's a beautiful definition of spirituality that comes from Hermes or or from religion. That's the definition of religion is to uh realize your spirit um and to discover it, right? To realize it, to recognize it, always live attached to that spirit, and then to express it. And that's all religion is. Everything beyond that is theocracy. Theocracy, they're trying to merge a personality to your religious impulse, right? To create a god for you to worship. If you separate theology away from it, you simply have the purity of that uh of religion and spirit, right? Which need not have anybody in between as you so widely said, right? Why do you ask me? Go find it yourself. It's your spirit, right?

>> Absolutely. We don't need middlemen.

>> Correct.

>> And I keep telling everybody to think for themselves. It's quite hard teaching people to think for themselves. It's almost as hard as telling them as giving stuff away. They don't trust it.

>> Right. Right. And and with right rightly so though because of their experience with what they call education, right? Schooling has has so warped their minds. I'm very proud that I have no degrees. I have I have lots of advanced uh schooling where I would drop in for a course here or there just to see what they were talking about. But I've never ever committed to any of that sort of thing and have no college uh career or or history that way. So uh my mind is unpolluted by their uh their attempts. But I I do see that it's difficult to get people to think and then these days you kids I mean I throw you in there too because you've been affected by it. You can't read obviously you do but most of these kids can't read a whole chapter right they can't hold it in their mind. They by the time they they get to the end of the chapter they have no idea what they've read what the conclusion was etc. They don't know how to read to inform themselves. All they know how to do is read for instructions to get through changing a tire you know baking a cake or whatever. Right? that sort of thing. Minimalist um level of mechanistic instruction. It's quite sad.

>> Well, I saw your post the other night talking about um your parents reading to you at night for half an hour and you couldn't wait for the next one because you wanted to know what happened. And I was like, "Yeah, Cliff's right. God damn it. How did that slip?" Because I read to all my kids until they were maybe maybe four, maybe five. Although and the power is so intense of that because when my daughters were about seven, they would always ask me for stories at night and I and then I'd have to tell them I told them stories and and then I realized 10 years later how powerful that was when my youngest daughter decided she wanted to learn to fly a plane because I was telling her stories about my days as a pilot 40 years ago. And I was like, "Wow, that really stuck." I couldn't believe I was taken by surprise by it because I'd forgotten that I told her the stories in fact but these things are so powerful. So yeah, I totally so and you guys watching follow Cliff on um X's every day there doing dishing out good advice and um Aerbic wit and humor and shooting a few people down every now and then.

>> I have a tendency to be a little raspy. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, that's that's what we love about you. But um for those people watching the show that don't know you, you first got came to people's attention because you you captured data that was predicting things. Correct. Do you want to explain that?

>> Okay. So um so my career uh spanded uh spans uh from the introduction of DOSs. Okay. I've been dealing with computers since 1979. In the course of that, I wanted to expand the ability. I was a programmer and a systems designer and I wanted to expand the ability of these machines and I was actually hoping to be able to connect the machines more directly to what we might call the um the materium or the ether or the spirit where we could get out real information, right? And uh so I came up with one of the arguably one of the first large language models and started running I started the coding in 1993 and uh the idea crystallized as I I was going to a consulting gig in Mexico City and the airplane was struck twice by electricity by a lightning and uh I felt the first one before it hit and uh lots of other people did as well and then like four minutes later we had another strike of the lightning and everybody in the plane was sensing it before it actually occurred. And I heard in their discussions, it's late at night. There weren't that many people on the plane, so I could really hear quite well. Everybody was awake because of the lightning strike. And I heard them discussing. And then all of a sudden, their language changed. And then like 20 seconds later, we got hit by another round of lightning. And I knew that their brains were connecting cuz my I felt it. I actually felt it in my body right before it struck. I felt the electricity, the whole thing. And uh so I that was the connection. Aha this is what happens and it happens ahead of these events. It comes into their minds. I've been thinking about this for years. I'd been cogitating this since like mid 80s. Um I worked on this thing called signal switching system 7. Okay that's what arguably allows the internet to exist and the concept is that we invented this code at a other service provider which is a form of a telco, a corporation that does telefan. And what what the concept is is this. Um they used to have phones where they would have vast numbers of lines going up and down the street in order to carry a single line to a house that would diverge off because they couldn't separate phone calls one from another going over the same line. They didn't understand frequency control. So in signal switching system 7, what we did was we came up with a way for there to be a single band with all everything being carried on it but everything being carried discreetly within that band and a monitoring um operational OS the operating system that would be aware of what was being said so it could switch the calls based on the actual content. This was such a huge this is 1983 it was such a huge thing you you don't know and it allowed the internet to actually exist because the internet runs on the backbone of all of the old landlines. So we may think we're in a wireless world with all of these cell towers but all those cell towers are connected to each other by landlines and it runs through SSS7 uh in order to switch from various different modes right to have the system monitor it. And so that gave me the idea that there are layers and layers and layers and layers of activity within our our uh language. And then once you become aware of this, you start seeing it in people's interaction. You can see their emotions rise. It starts changing their language and you say, "Oh, there's going to be a fight." You know, that kind of thing, right? I was aware of this at an intuitive level because I'd studied martial arts for so long.

>> But it never had been conceptualized. never really uh put metacognition to it to analyze it in real time. So in 93 I came up with this idea flying down to Mexico City when the plane was struck by lightning and uh then there was an 8 80 earthquake 8.4 earthquake uh the next day while I was there. So I wonder if that's participatory too. Anyway though uh big energies big idea and I come back and I start working on this idea. takes me from 93 until uh 97 was when I did a first partial run when I had my large language model maybe 20% defined. I had to go through dictionaries and I had to define all these words. Tedious beyond understanding because we didn't have AI to to automate it. And if I and I at times I would stop and discover a class of word, figure out a way that my software could identify that word and I would automate the process of that particular kind of word, articles, adjectives, these kind of things, right? And so it was tedious beyond understanding. I had about 20% done and I ran the uh the first run in 97 with the intent my whole point of this was to become wealthy quickly uh by using it to predict stock kind of things, right?

>> Yeah, of course.

>> And you know, I had a practical use for it actually. Okay. So, I got to cop to the I've got to own up to it and be honest. I was intrigued, right? I didn't really give a [ __ ] if it was ever productive. I was intrigued by the idea. I wanted to see if I could do it and and I was able to do it. But I ran that first partial run and I started getting back weirdass results, things that I that I had no way of understanding because the way I had written the code relative to the large language model, the the code was free to invent concepts. when it ran across a predictive what would qualify as a predictive word or phrase, even if it wasn't defined, it was able to take it out of the of the context with the context and hold it over there for an association for me. And so all these strange things were coming out, new money. And so the new money that def uh that arose in 1997 actually goes on to become Bitcoin and all the cryptos in 2010. So it took that long for it to emerge from that first preient hint. Right now we can say that in fact people were working on the concept of the double spend for cryptos back in the 80s. So there was discussion in Reddit and all of these other boards that that could have been picked up and and if it was so picked up by my uh process, it was then interpreted as the new money which led me to the idea of cryptos. And so I got in early as did a lot of other people that were, you know, um, uh, moved by universe to follow me then, right? And so, and so we progress. But that's basically the idea that humans leak out information in the form of language change. You're sitting there talking about your dog and all of a sudden you have a a strange concept and you're talking about an eagle or a sausage or something. And what is it that caused that? may have been something from your environment intruding in on your mind that is leaking out. And I made a um pretty much I I made a a splash with that technology over the decades. Got in got myself into lots of trouble and uh and actually uh achieve my goal. Not easily and not early, but I did manage to, you know, acquire my fortune and be able to direct my life the way I wanted. So it it worked out from the 90s. Um not at all easy, though. It wasn't wasn't like coming up with a hit rock song or something, right?

>> Dude, listen. Making puff pastry with Emma Flower is not easy. But I'm going to persevere.

>> You can do it. You can do it.

>> Definitely going to do it. I mean, you found a way of technologically connecting to consciousness, didn't you? Really

>> in a sense. one one or two steps removed because by the time the the consciousness changes and your language changes, there's some things that happen uh in that process. Many people won't write down the word changes. They'll think of themselves, oh that's odd, and not put it down because it doesn't feel right. Some people do put those down and that's what I pick up. So, I'm picking up maybe 1% of all of the actual uh perceptive um uh preient language uh simply because that's all that's actually written down in my machine can get at. Okay. So, my m my LLM is not in any way reaching out into the ether and picking up information directly. It's not contacting consciousness at that level. So, this is clearly one or two steps removed.

>> Yeah. For me though, you're you're the consciousness that connected to the bigger consciousness that got you to do that thing that was a stepping stone towards

>> that's the way it works, right? As above, so below, right? So yeah, I mean, and they wanted it. Consciousness wanted that to occur. Had it not been me, there would have been someone else. In fact, Martin Armstrong, Martin Armstrong was doing very much the same thing with his Socrates LLM that I was doing, only he was taking a different approach, right? he was using the analytic metrics uh available to the computers to make conclusions where I was after the the woo part of it all.

>> Yeah. And it's really interesting. I mean I I had a different route. I became a search engine optimization expert. I was a bit later on with the internet than you and um I started when I started looking into keywords. I I could I was like what? So I I had a business in in the UK which was skip hire which you might not know what that is in the it's like it's like dumpster rental

>> big yeah so it's waste waste management

>> >> and it was skip high was the key word and I was like when I when I started doing it really early on built into quite a big business um there were 80,000 variations on that one word and when I and when I realized there were 80,000 variations on it I went hang on a we have to create content for every single one of those keywords and nobody else is doing it. And that's what I did and we just went straight to the top of all the search engines for all the keywords and and we couldn't handle it. We we started with two people. We ended up having 300 people in a call center trying to handle all these phone calls because we were just at the top of all the search engines when people were just starting to use the internet for finding businesses.

>> Right? So it was that was a big insight for me and it enabled me to read the mind of any market you know and I've been I ended up teaching people that you can read the mind of any market before you produce a product because most people go about business ask

>> backwards backwards yeah ask front as we say

>> >> you know they just go I'm going to build an Italian restaurant in the street why I love Italian food the people nearby like Italian food does you know

>> >> no no can you cook this stuff can you find an Italian Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

>> >> And that's what that's why restaurants always crash because it's the ego. Anyway, it's hilarious, isn't it? Really?

>> Right. It is. It is.

>> >> And we had we had to evolve,

>> right?

>> Didn't we?

>> Oh, we did. Okay. So, there is there is this aspect of that too that there is obviously something that moves humanity, right? And that uh we can think of it as the um uh Brahma wakes up and has an infinite number of dreams. We're one of those dreams kind of thing. And and it's all illusionary at that level. But even within the illusion of us having a dream and this is not a real solid reality, it's all in our minds at the mention level. There is still something external to humanity and external to us as individuals that makes us do things. It it doesn't doesn't force us to. It provides incentives and impels us to do so. So that we feel good. We have that emotional pressure that is relieved when we get in sync with where we should be in life. Right? And obviously when you're not in sync, you end up, you know, going the other way as we've seen recently with David Wilcock, right? He was so out of sync that he took his own life.

>> Yeah. I want to talk.

>> Yeah. And it's all, you know, it all has to do with our harmony with within universe. I've taken Aikido a particular kind of Aikido Shinshin Sou Aikido uh which is the art of peace and it's all about being able to harmonize which is one of the hermetic principles which is the reconciliation of opposites right the polarity aspect of things and so uh if we in my opinion if we were all to be uh hermetically oriented we would all personally have very much better lives and our social order would naturally fall into place and it but also reveal those people that are deliberately doing the all the things that they can to destroy uh the social order, harmony, etc. for whatever reasons for whoever's gain. Okay? Because I'm quite convinced none of these people, you know, the prime ministers and stuff. None of those [ __ ] know what they're doing or why they are doing it. They are simply tools of something on the other side of them. And um and this is revealed if you have a particular view of life with this. And so it is harmony. It is the hermetic principles that get us there.

>> Well, when you mentioned Aikido, there was a book I read many years ago about how the the learning curve of Aikido is like this step process where and you have to you feel like you're going backwards and then suddenly you make an advance. And it feels like that in this time now that you've got billions of people having to learn about themselves, learn about what sovereignty is, learn about what I mean, the fuel process in Ireland last week showed a million people that uh there's a problem having a country that is not fuel independent. There's a problem that's not problems.

>> Yeah. And it's like it's a learning curve and then you get up against and it feels like you're getting nowhere. there's suddenly there's a jump forward and that's that's very much what I understand about martial arts training is because it was the same for me as a kid with judo it was like hard hard suddenly I got a belt and I was like okay

>> right

>> move forward

>> >> you start getting muscle memory

>> yeah and it's a wonderful it's a wonderful process and all kids should do it because it teach them a huge amount about life but um there are going to be people watching this right now who are going to pick up on the David Wilcock thing and we will get to that but what I want they would have a go at me if I if I didn't ask you where you think we're at because everybody's obsessed with where we're going and where we're at. That's why Tar by Janine's so good. That's why all the channelers are so it's all psychics now and you know because news is useless, right? So

>> analysis analysis fails in a time of hyper novelty. We have hyper novelty now. We're in it for a couple of years. We've been in it for a couple of years. And within that hypernomalty we have the intrusion as an aspect of it of course because it must exist of the deliberate disinformation guys right that are polluting everything. So analysis can't work. Thus indeed Janine is in high demand. Thus indeed we have to have some other method of guiding us forward and we've fallen back to the traditional old ways uh that come from our species which is to go back to what we would call psychic or closer to spirit. So we have bodies that are atoms. We have a mind that is mention and there's something other than that that is non-corporeal. Our mind is non-corporeal. Our bodies are corporeal. But our spirit is also non-corporeal and is factually exists. And you can demonstrate that in so many ways there's no point in doing that. Right? But so few people understand the nature of their spirit and um spirituality and all of that. It is a spiritual war. It's not a religious war. It is a uh all things are binary in this universe. Okay? So all things have gender and so what we're experiencing is this conflict of gender hijacked and we see that with all of the transition things. So all men have aspects of feminine in them. All females have aspects of masculine in them. If you allow the social order to come in and twist your mind, then of course you could convince many men to allow the masculine to fade, which would allow the feminine to rise and then you could exploit that and turn them into trans, which is what has happened, right? It's not a naturally arising thing. But that's a greater that is an aspect of this greater uh capture of the process of defining humanity that we're undergoing. And this is the the paradigm issue, right? And so in the 1700s, uh, Descartes and all of his buddies get the age of enlightenment and they start trying to convince us that scientism and, um, matter is everything and consciousness and spirit mean nothing. Even though all that time we've been, you find always the fringe elements of psychicism in all these different uh, ways constantly bubbling up because people are so dissatisfied with the Cartesian dialectic, the Cartesian paradigm. That Cartesian paradigm has been in existence for 325 years. Um, and it's failing now. And it's failing under the uh assault of the quantum, the um, the understanding of the um, ether and spirit and so on as we get more understanding the rigid view of the Cartesians are falling away. So where we are at now is we're at the we're in these two years 26 and 27. And these will be looked at in the future as being those years that defined the paradigm collapse. And we're seeing it now. So I I expect 10 years from now there won't be academia as we understand it. People won't go to colleges. The institutions will be reused for something else. The the buildings, right? And we'll have an entirely different approach to things that won't have this uh structured Cartesian overlay on education. And it'll be marvelous. Humans will will be greatly freed. Our minds will be greatly freed. In doing so, we will uh lose the restrictions that are on people that cause them to do things like deny their own metacognition, deny their own state changes within their own thinking that actually add to their lives, right? And you get this all the time. Oh, you're not supposed to think that way. Oh, it's cartoonish or whatever, right? Uh, you're too sensitive. you shouldn't pay attention to those and all the this language to try and force humans into a mold that is not us and we'll be uh we'll be busting out everywhere. It's going to be the most So I'm with Trump. We're about to enter the golden age here, right? And so many people don't understand Trump. They think he's reneged on all of his promises. They don't understand where he's at in this grand global conspiracy and the grand global battle that is waging to determine the outcome of that conspiracy. Will humanity triumph or will it not? I think we will. Okay. So, we're seeing it in in Britain today even or in England. [ __ ] Britain. You know,

>> millions of people on the streets in London today.

>> Exactly. Exactly.

>> >> And that's all spirit. Those are all individual spirits that are moved by something other than fear and and all of the crap that this system is trying to put down on them. Yeah. And so that's where we're at. We're at the turn of this paradigm. It'll take us two years. It's going to be radical. We'll get out all of the UFO stuff. We'll get out all of the hidden technology over the two years. It'll take us 20 years to implement it or more and get it out there to everybody. Um there are hints uh that I can see in some of the the general uh information that's available that there are operations or plans that are going on in the background to that effect. In other words, there are people that know that the 0 point energy is going to be coming out and they're planning now on a very effective strategy to implement this and get these devices out and so on even though it'll be 5 years before those devices are even made that but they've got to do this level of planning ahead of time in order to in my opinion overcome some of the uh inequalities that might arise. So, it's not going to do much good to flood the United States with zero point energy devices if we leave Africa out, right?

>> So, you've got to do it on a um an equitable arrangement, boost all the people because one 0 point energy device in Africa leads to so much more of a a bloom there than that same device used in an industrialized country. Right. Okay. So there there's huge benefits and we can take advantage of these combin synchronistic benefits if we do things and I actually know that there are people that are being paid to do that kind of planning right now and you're not ever going to you're not ever going to hear these people in maybe you'll hear about them in 5 years time when their work emerges but we're doing that now. So there's people that are planning on a victory,

>> but in the meantime, humans keep having this annoying habit of rising up. And you know, there's a there's a farmer literally it was in my house the other day, 30 miles away, demonstrated at its farm, uh, a HH water powered engine has lots of other things going on. Un unstoppable because everybody wants to know now and it's open source and it's like, well, you know, they kill us, we don't care. There's a thousand more behind us. That is the new spirit that's risen. And um

>> I've seen a guy Okay, so I saw a guy demonstrating a device that he purchased and I'm going to get one of them. And it's a uh self-powering cook stove. And it runs on a little tiny lithium battery and and water. And it uses the battery to form electrolysis to create the hydrogen, passes off the oxygen as a cleaning device on the surfaces, and then you burn the hydrogen for cook fuel.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've got a brown's gas device here.

>> Yeah. Same difference.

>> Same thing. It's the same thing. 50 50 years old there in my living room.

>> Right. Right. I know.

>> I got a Pol I got a Polish friend. He's made a battery pack that um is like a thousand times more efficient than anything Tesla's brought out. And uh you know, but he puts a little drip of electricity in and powers everything for months.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know. I know.

>> >> And you know, word spreads. You know, this it's just like

>> interesting. Yeah,

>> >> the internet does it though. I was going to say that's what it is. It's the communications between us, right? Uh the internet causes all the problems. You get all of the the trolls, the you know, all of the disinformation and all of the crap and everything, but at its core, uh I'm still proud of having worked on the backbone of the internet because it is such a marvelous thing for all of human minds and it will be a tool for freeing us and we'll overcome it, right? So, I'm not worried about AI. AI is dumb. It's stupid. It's a useful tool, and it's never going to be taking over humans or anything. It's, you know, it's other humans uh agreeing to do what AI says that are the problem.

>> Well, I I like your apocalyptism. That's good. So, I've got I feel very optimistic about the outcome, but there is a lot of fear and there's a lot of concern and and for me on a in a spiritual sense, it's kind of like all of this is kind of teaching everybody to live in the present moment and do some bloody research for themselves about their own life and and have this conversation where we're talking about what's may seemingly be um a pointless subject of how to make healthy bread

>> is actually the most important subject there is.

>> It's how to change humanity. Correct.

>> Yeah, it is. It's fundamental because they slipped in all this other [ __ ]

>> Well, you weren't looking, right?

>> We were busy making money, you know.

>> Right. They had you distracted with Disney cartoons.

>> Don't don't get me started on Disney. Um,

>> >> so so the question I was going to ask you about the the you know, you made your money with that and it was hard work, but did you did you I don't think I've ever seen you talk about maybe you have, I just haven't seen it about the leadup to COVID. I mean, you're more than just a programmer. You're you're also psychic yourself, right? So you did you know COVID was coming? Let's let's keep

>> Okay. So all right. So COVID was defined in my data in the year 2000 as the sun disease. Okay. The corona, right? That's where it came. There were two things that were connected to that actual sun disease turning from yellow to white, but also this subset that ended up becoming COVID. And I thought it would be called in the data it was just called the sun disease. So I knew that it was coming. Now bear in mind in the leadup to COVID um I had had passed I died okay so I'd gone through 30 plus years 40 plus years of undiagnosed colon cancer and died in 2018 and so I was forced back in 2018 and was starting to recover and then I came across my data set had come across in March of 2019 uh the stuff about that led me to think the pandemic IC was coming and it was all about the military games in China, the people who were attending, where they were coming from, the biolab connections and all of that. Also in 2019, which I um haven't been able to relocate, I came across a video, a segment of a video in which uh Fauci's chief of staff was talking to a group of people in a conference, a small conference, maybe there were 30 or 40 people there, some government building, right, in a conference room, and he was up on a little stage dancing, literally dancing, jumping up and down, saying, "We did it. We did it. We attached the spike to Coronavirus." And that's when I knew we were [ __ ] right? That they were going to try this. And I actually thought that it would be just that, okay? That it would be deadly, that it would be a real killer, that they were able to actually make bioweapons in spite of the fact that I knew from my dad's work in the military and from all of these years that bioweapons simply don't exist. Okay? You can't you can make smallpox very deadly, but you cannot make people susceptible to your deadly smallpox. So in other words, they can make the individual smallpox very deadly to someone who has susceptibility to it, but they can't make you susceptible to smallpox nor anything else. So I'm not susceptible now to um uh coronavirus because of my high vitamin D levels. Had I known in my youth that a certain level of high of high vitamin D 55 nano um 55 naniters per mole uh is proof against colon cancer. I would have raised my vitamin D level up and had and would have eliminated the colon cancer. Right? So there are things you can do to make yourself impervious to these these problems. The colon cancer was deliberately given to me by the people who created the salt polio vaccine when they put in SV40 which is Simian virus 40 which is extracted from green monkey blood which was done in 1947 by two guys in Switzerland who later immigrate to Israel and become very big biochemists in Israel and they set up this stuff that pollutes all of the s the vaccines since the 1950s and it led to the biggest uh bloom in cancer uh breast cancer cancer for women and colon cancer for men. Now, I've had breast cancer, had a full-on mastectomy, had had skin cancer from this, and finally died of the colon cancer. So, that hits me in 2018. I'm exhausted. I'm thrown back. I didn't want to come back. I had all kinds of issues being alive. And then I discover the COVID is being released. That's why I got my channel taken away in YouTube so early because in January of 2020, well, December of n of 2019, I started telling people, don't take the vaccine. They're going to try and do this [ __ ] Start taking chaga mushroom. Uh because that was the it turns out chaga has zinc and um vitamin D in quantity. And it's what's known as a zinc ionophore, which is um Zalinsk's um protocol, right? get zinc in there so that it can zap the coronavirus and um and so chaga was the route I selected. I didn't understand until later we could separate it out into you know supplemental zinc.

and supplemental um vitamin D and so forth. Anyway, so so um uh that's where it led. I got my channel thrown off and then you know ran into all of the problems with you know the FBI and all of this kind of crud.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It it was dull, dude. It it was not a nice period, but it pissed me off and that was good.

>> Well, yeah. I mean, it's a you can take that energy and do productive things. That's the Well, that's what I like about it. That's what I like about righteous indignation.

>> Exactly.

>> We become alchemists and take that energy and go which is martial arts. Right.

>> Right.

>> Use the enem use the enemy's um

>> energy against them. Yeah.

>> Yep.

>> Which is

>> everybody always throws themselves.

>> I know. It's uh crazy. And that's I'm seeing it all the time. I saw an old man in a car with a mask on two days ago. I was like, "Oh my god."

>> There's no hope for them. Don't even worry about them. They're just going to die and and they'll be gone, right?

>> Yeah, I know. But I'm a bit of an old softy, Cliff. I still

>> I know. I know. I'm that same way. You hate seeing them be that stupid.

>> I really do. I've been trying I've been trying so hard to wake him up. But um

>> But anyway, it's not up to you though, right? You have to understand

>> I know

>> everybody on their own own time.

>> It's um white knight syndrome is what I've got. I It's an affliction. I'm working on it.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> So,

>> it's that empathy stuff.

>> It is that crazy empathy. Um loving humans and everything. Um yeah, you uh you brought up David Wilcott and you've also mentioned the UFO files and I think um the UFO files in particular are super important for historical reasons if nothing else. Um let's talk about those first. Why do you think they're are they trying to get ahead of the curve because something's coming they can't stop or that appears to be there is evidence to that. Okay. The speed at which it all ramped up it's atypical especially with government and so on. Uh backing up a little bit though, the UFO files are extremely important because it it provides us with a clear uh point of demarcation between what was before uh the age of denial and what is now, which is governments admitting to it. Now, they're not admitting yet to all of the horror that they've done, killing people, etc., etc., and all of the millions of people that have died without the stuff that they could have had like free energy, better healthcare, and so on. Right? So there have been literally tens of millions of people that have died because of this secrecy. Uh they're not admitting to that, but they are admitting that these that there has been a cover up and and they haven't gotten into the details, but that will all come out over time. So we've we've crossed that threshold. Okay? So we're out of the age of denial. This is huge because it now allows for cooperation and for the denigration to go away. So now students will start exploring this in uh engineering schools and because they want to because now they know that that's there because the limitations of science they've been told. Get in there and you try and teach kids about quantum coming from the Cartisian ethos and it doesn't work. Their brains go and they just can't handle it. right now we'll overcome that and we'll start getting this inner cooperation within humans that leads to things like the internet and leads to this level of flowering of things. Right? You don't get that with the secrecy even with I mean look at how much of Bob Lazar's testimony about all of this is him bitching about they don't allow scientists to talk to each other to share information and so on that it's all too compartmentalized and it's harming our our investigation. He's 100% correct. we would have been it wouldn't have been uh we wouldn't be here now the same way we were nothing has changed since Bob worked for S4 they don't have uh that big of a breakthrough in this kind of thing right and so uh this will change over these next few years very rapidly we'll get in my thinking sometime between now and July or or um August of next year 2027 we'll get two key breakthroughs that probably already exist but they'll emerge into our reality and they'll start forming this commonic thing and we're going to get a whole new technology by 2028 because part of that technology is going to be this incorporation of the ability of AI running continuously so fast to be able to in real time monitor the development process to get us into manufacturing in like eight months instead of eight years, right? And so it'll just be fantastic at that level how rapid things will go. It'll still take us x number of times to crank out, you know, five million zero point energy devices, but nonetheless, that's just a matter of feeding it into the funnel. It's not going to take us eight years to make that funnel. And so, this is why we're going to get um new mega billionaires, okay? Because there will be people that will universe will have told is coming. They're all excited already. They're all whipped up. Psychic antennas are out just waiting to get all of these parts to put together to form this giant new multi-billion dollar enterprise that brings us into sci-fi world. Government won't be able to stop it. Government knows this is coming. They've been told by all of these billionaires it's coming. I know for a fact, I have to be very careful about this. Factually, I know that there are people working for um hedge fund guys like Black Rockck. those kind of people, right? Not not employees, but subcontractors that are doing things like I used to do, predictive analytics, right? And these guys have been telling the hedge fund fellows up at that very high level about what's going to happen over these next five years. And those hedge fund guys are trying to push their organizations to get ahead of the curve. That's what you're picking up as people trying to get this word out there. They're the ones that are putting the pressure on Congress. They understand we've got to get out of the age of denial in order for sci-fi world to really blossom. And we're in the two years of that birth of sci-fi world. So in that sense, I think it's magnificent. So I'm a super optimist, right? This is just going to be so fantastic. We cannot imagine it. We can barely imagine the first parts of it.

>> That's the thing. It's it's such a jump for people. And that's why I love your term hyper hyper novelty because it is getting weirder and weirder every day. Not just from what people are seeing in the news, but and they're not seeing, you know, there's a lot of frustration with what see it's it's the seemingly slowness of the release of the things that many people who are awake have been waiting for for a long time. I get so fed up of people saying, "Oh, the medbed's here next week." I'm like, "Yeah, but what are you doing today?" Because I think,

>> yeah, right.

>> That's a spiritual test as well, you know? Oh, oh, the RV is going to be released. We're all going to be billionaires next week. Well, I've been hearing people say that for years. What are you doing today? That's been my question. What? What? God wants you to stand up and do something today. Even if it's learning about how to make bread that's healthy. You know, it's like that's a good starting point. Make your own toothpaste, clean your water, ground yourself. Simple stuff that everybody forgot about. And it's that's got to come back for us to be worthy of this future in many ways. I think because

>> I don't I don't think um so I don't put the um the characterizations of us having to be worthy or any of that, right? Uh we are as we are universe is moving us within universe moving humanity. I think there's something else in there that is also moving humanity. Uh controllers, watchers, whatever you want to call it. Um, I don't think it's there for humanity's good, per se, right? Everything acts in its own interest. The watchers, the controllers have their own interest and we're simply a tool. Uh, if we benefit, it's fine, but I don't think they care that much. Uh, but we are at that point of change and we also have to, as you say, direct ourselves to ourselves, right? So, I really like that for so I'm very focused on myself. I take the time out of my day every day to do my exercises. I train my mind and my body daily and I do uh armed defense daily to keep everything sharp. I'm 73 years old. I have every expectation of living another 70 years without any trouble at all. And along in that period of time, there will be new biochemical um health things that will come up that will make it easier for me to live a very healthy life for those next 70 years. Right? So basically, we're all going to live longer than we anticipate. we'd better get ourselves in shape to be able to do it without too much complaint and to be able to do it effectively. And this is why again I'm an optimist and I like the apocalyptic optimist aspect of it because we are at the revealing. This is the secrets revealed time that my data started showing in 1999 that was going to be just huge. So in 19 or probably it was like 2001 my data started showing the Democratic party in the United States dying dissolving which we're at now right it also showed the massive change of um uh humanity into as an aspect of this spiritual war it showed a new form of Christianity emerging globally. Uh we're about to hit that. So my data sets would have 27, 28, 29, and 30 be the first uh part of this giant global wave of Christianity that's going to have people freaking out everywhere. I mean like literally you'll have hundreds of Muslims in various areas converting in a day because of dreams. All different kinds of weird shit's going to be happening, right? And this going to cause consternation in Muslim world, etc. And it's going to get really bizarre, much more so bizarre than it is now. And um we're coming into this this huge we're in it now. We're not coming into it. We're in the period of chaos. We're going to have 50 years of this chaos. It has to do with the Kaliuga and the overhang. Um but these first two years are going to be the most intense and then it'll sort of trail off as things get better. But my data actually shows that we start seeing real progress in uh October of this year with some precursors in August. So if you know where to look, you'll see some very hopeful signs that in August and we'll mature into real progress in October and then things start really snowballing, right? The good really starts rolling out in new waves. This is going to be a um a very exciting time for people, even people that are trying to make money because we're going to get into so many different new enterprises. So many different ways of uh creating value and extracting profit from that value that um uh home businesses and that kind of thing are just going to flourish globally everywhere. people have an idea and the next thing you know, you know, four years later, they're uh they've achieved all their wealth goals and they've affected humanity with this good idea. That kind of stuff is is in my data sets. I'm I'm very I feel privileged to have lived this long to be able to actually see it because I was reading about it for so long in the 2000s and the 2010s, right? Um and we're here. We're here now. We're we're emerging. It's it's really happening. So hopefully uh you know we'll have our fake space alien invasion or real space alien invasion and in either way I'll hoist my pirate flag, seize one of those vessels and off I go. And people think that I don't have a a pirate flag, but I've got two of them.

>> I bet you got a pirate flag. I think I might have one here somewhere. Um, yeah. Well, that's that you know people what what so fake or real? I think it's going to be possibly both. Is it What do you think? I think I think that they're here. The UFOs and stuff are here. They're going to probably have to fake up an invasion to try and control us and this kind of thing if they go to that trouble. It it may be that Trump is shortcircuiting that. Now, there was some thinking that they were going to roll this out and cause everybody to freak out ahead of the midterms here in the US in order to try and save the Democratic party. I don't think it'll work. And I think that the push to get the um the UFO information out ahead of the midterms kind of like flattens that balloon ahead of it getting there. It won't go with a pop. But I do think that the there's aspects of Okay. So there are individuals that have a very limited understanding of um spirituality. This limited understanding and we see it throughout humanity uh devolves into theology. Okay? So you've got like evangelical Zionistic Christians. That's all theology. Has nothing to do with spirit. Doesn't even really have that much to do with religion. And we have these guys, you know, the extremist Muslims. All of these kind of people are theologically bound. This is going to these guys are going to get a big comeuppance, a big upset over these next few years. I I'm of the opinion that some of the stuff I'd seen in the data suggests that they're going to do that there's going to be acting out really is the best way to talk about it. Right? The frustrations that these minds have will make them insist that that's not the reality and that they will try and uh force their version of reality on the rest of us in these actions. I think those are the guys that are going to be doing the fake alien invasion. Okay? because they want you to think of the aliens as demons

>> and and they don't understand even demonology. They've never looked at the noses. They've never understood the layers of creation, any of this stuff.

>> And they're just thinking of demons in like the, you know, the Walt Disney kind of of an idea, the cartoon version. But they're going to try and impress that on us. And that's where the fake alien invasion will come from. I don't expect it to be successful. I'm not sure that they'll even be able to get it off the ground because they're they're anticipating killing maybe 100,000 Americans in this in this invasion, killing or damaging that many in order to get the emotional oomph. So, one of the things just as an aside, one of the things that I learned in my years of programming and and the the Alto reports, the asymmetric linguistic trend analysis is that there are emotional thresholds and that you have an emotional threshold and at some point it causes you to take an action because you can't stand the emotional aspect in your brain anymore. There's also collective at that level. And so that's what we're dealing with is that they're going to reach certain thresholds and they have to express those emotions, however bizarre it may come out. And one of these bizarnesses may be that they're going to they want to do it. Whether or not they're going to be allowed to can facilitate it, this fake space alien invasion, that's the question because there are people that are actively working against them that understand the um delusions that those these guys are operating under and uh are attempting to counter it. So, all kinds of battles everywhere within all of our organizations and, you know, even within our own minds.

>> Well, that's part of the fun. I mean, this is exactly why I told my children Father Christmas didn't exist when they were like two years old.

>> That's why they can't get the Santa virus.

>> No, exactly. That's what I call it. Santa virus. Oh, the panto virus. That's what I like that one as well.

>> Right.

>> It's behind you. Where? Um

>> yeah.

>> Oh god. Right. We're going to have to talk about David Wilco a little bit. Are you okay for time for a few minutes?

>> Oh, sure. As long as you might. As long as you

>> I don't like the a I don't like giving the audience more than an hour usually because I find that it's quite those days of five hour podcasts are behind us. Nobody want has got the time. But I think they'll find us interesting. But so when this happened with David, you'd had that whole experience with Cory, what's his name? Good. And then so you were very uniquely qualified to comment and I remember when it happened. I sat back and went, I'm not commenting on this because I didn't know these guys personally. I was watching from afar and I want to see what everybody has to say. And then you get Carrie Cassidy and people like that saying, shoot, no, he's not gone. He's been saved by the secret space program people. And then you're going, "No, he was possessed by this narcissistic relationship with a guy that completely screwed his head up." And I had to sit back and go, "Do you know what? I think Cliff's right." Because

>> you sat and watched him on those Sunday night shows and he was just talking utter nonsense about the uh Stra the the people. Cuz I was sitting there saying to my girlfriend, I was like, "This sounds like they're just screwing him and milking him and he's doing this and he's paying, how long has this company been going? Where?" And he got this little plastic airplane. I was like, "You

>> really I couldn't I couldn't as somebody who's been in business for 40 years." I was like, you know, that's not the way you do it. It's very strange way of doing it.

>> And Exactly. And David has never been in business. That was one a big flaw of his, right? He had a very he had an interesting talent set. He was good at presenting information, but he was not good at discriminating information to present. So you could easily give him information that was [ __ ] And if it was presented correctly, he would think it was accurate. He was very gullible that way. And he would get behind it. He would put his emotional energy behind it. He could sell it easily. He presented the nice view of it. His books were just all positive, etc. And he had a good following. But he got into the position of believing his own stuff, right? Not knowing his own limitations. So he'd never been in business. He didn't understand how financing and loans and companies work, nor how to analyze them for an investment, you know. So, some guy talked to him and he gave that guy two nearly $2 million. Never analyzed any of it. Never asked for, you know, due diligence or any of this sort of thing. So, he was just that gullible. And this is why he was easily led astray by Corey Good in that narcissistic dynamic that they had in that relationship. David had a uh a goodsized ego. That's not a bad thing. Ego is necessary for us to not be earthworms, you know, uh not be slugs or slaves. But his ego had had no real world um constraints on it, right? So his uh I don't think he'd ever been in a physical fight in his life, never gotten the [ __ ] kicked out of him, never had universe come on in and readjust his mind to reality. And so he didn't have those constraints and so uh his emotionality obviously got ahead of him and uh and he took his life. I think he did so um accidentally to some extent. I think that he was actually calling the police to um basically talk him out of it to get him out of it. That's the only reason. I don't think he was one of those people that wanted to have either death by police or to be witnessed by police. there it may be some of that but nonetheless so he ends up committing suicide um and we saw him degrade over a number of years so that degradation had been clearly obvious uh those people that are claimed to be the cyberstalkers um were the ones that really were most concerned about him constantly you know in their addressing of it saying David you know go and get your mental health checked out go and get you know physical stuff uh checked out you're not doing well and his deterioration was quite visible. You could see it over these last two years and and I was so affected by it

>> last year in June, June 5th, I I contacted him trying to get him to shake it out, right? To get I had an ide gave him a strategy, didn't you? And

>> Correct. Right. A strategy that works, right? And and it's proven to work.

>> Hands up. Sorry.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And and he couldn't. No, he Okay. Okay. So when I presented it to him, he listened to that part of the idea and then instantly the re reaction was the that was a negative reaction that told me that his mind was being controlled, but I didn't understand to what degree at that time. But instantly it came up, oh, Corey won't agree to that. Cory will never do that. So he assumed that he had to do it with Corey, that the two of them had to do it together, that somehow they were inextricably linked. And as soon as I I started bringing it up, well, Corey doesn't have to be involved, then the conversation ended like, you know, less than 30 seconds later because his mind would not allow it. And it was because of that narcissistic dynamic being in place there. It if you go and look at it, it makes a lot of sense. I mean, examine the and study the the dynamic in involved. It makes sense as to why people get hooked and they can't um get away from them. Bear in mind, in 2025, David had in court put written material saying how he didn't want to be involved with Corey anymore. Yet, constantly he's back at with Corey. He he'd tried to get away from Corey in 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025. Yet, he's continuing to be involved with him. Not because of the lawsuits directly, but because of that dynamic. And David ended up I don't know how he acquired that house. It's in Netherland, Colorado. Colorado, if you've ever been to that airport, Denver airport, it is the most evil, ugly. I can't stand to get off the airplane and go into that airport, right? If I'm there for a delay, I'll sit in the [ __ ] airplane as they service it. I've done that and they are annoyed, but I wouldn't get out into that airport because I've done it too many times and it and it affects me. I think there's lots of aspects of Colorado that are like that. And David was living in one. He was on the top of an 8,000 foot high mountain in this big uh log cabin with everything he needed, but he didn't know how to do anything. He didn't know how to work his fireplace to heat the place. He could have. He didn't know how to turn on his gen set. He had a 22 kilowatt uh gen set that would have powered his house. All he had to do is push one button to get it to come on. And he never knew how to do that. He in fact made a video of how it's not working and it's broken. and the button to start it was right there in front of him. Anyway though, so so he was incapable of of managing himself at that level and then he was isolated and it was the isolation that allowed the mental degradation to continue at that pace in my opinion. Right. I'm not a a mental health counselor or anything, but I did did contact him. I could see it last year and unfortunately it progressed.

>> Yeah, I felt the same last year, but I didn't know him to ring him. I had a soft spot for him because he he did a lot of great work uh early on

>> in the early 2000s

>> and then the guy stuff happened and I was like blue aliens and it's interesting you know

>> it's a shame in this in this world and then you've got you know same with Kerry she's done a lot did a lot of great interviews years ago and I and I'm like the whole secret space program thing it is interesting but um I don't know where I mean I've seen ships I've been visited I've seen ships my entire life um but I'm still I'm still keeping myself I think the whole thing's on a need to know basis

>> on a spiritual level. So I I don't sort of say you must believe this. I say this happened to me.

>> I'm not sure what it was,

>> right?

>> But I know it's okay, you know, that's basically

>> I'm holding space open for it, right? Whatever it is, right?

>> And and I enjoy the unfolding of the story, you know, without

>> and I tried to say I tried to say to people, look, you know, think for yourself. don't question everything including this because I you know it's just my story and I think that's a big part of us how we learn together is having those stories shared um and finding the courage to speak up when you need it that kind of thing but um it's always sad when somebody dies and you know I appreciate you sharing your viewpoint on on the David situation because there's a lot of sense in what you say huge amount of sense in what you say and thanks for trying to help him but you know I've been there myself you you know a lot of people say there were no signs of it he said he wasn't su well I've known a lot of front a lot of my friends have committed suicide and it came out of the blue

>> you would not you would not have known that they were suicidal they just go they snap decision you know

>> because it's David David wasn't like that he lived as he expressed his life so everybody that was watching him on a weekly basis if you had any understanding you knew where he was headed

>> week after week after week it was just you know continuing degradation

>> yeah oh well

>> very sad though y

>> it is sad Um, but in terms of where all that's going, it's going to be quite quick now, isn't it? I mean, it

>> I think I think that we Okay, so my data sets would suggest that we're going to be very energetic this summer that as we get into the end of June and then really push into July, we're going to get some major changes uh at a society level that will further facilitate more information coming out and it'll start becoming really comoric. Uh so that this will be a very as I say very energetic summer and then by October we'll start seeing some signs of progress right um how that progress is going to appear will be very minimal at first but once it's there and once it's solid off we go we have some real signs of this now in the sense that we're getting a movement to more sound money and that's going to change everything here right the Trump dollars however much of a joke people think they are It's the leadin to a constitutional treasury note or treasury bill which will be money, right? Uh rather than a promisary note like we get from the Federal Reserve. So no, no American dollar is money. It's currency. And so that's going to rapidly change the nature of everything here. It'll also propel um the market disruptions into a more sane way. So there's going to be market disruptions um globally as we're seeing like with the crash of the uh Indian stock market right because of the effect of gold on their currency. That's exactly what's going on. The metals are draining the purchasing power out of the country and they can't have that because they're so finely balanced with their huge population. China is next, then followed by Japan and then by Europe and then the US and so maybe by July something we'll have the stock market problems here in the US and then there will be some social changes that will emerge. I in my my opinion these social changes are already planned. the uh Trump administration already has them ready to go, but it's just not ready to implement them because you have to have the uh the demand in order for them to put out a new product. And that demand is going to arise from the unstable conditions that that are going to occur over these next couple of months relative to the financing. And so it's going to be a very wild time that way. And then in October or so, we'll have this some level of stability that will start creeping in. And maybe it'll be a case of they have to close stock markets. I don't know. Maybe they'll have to shut them down for a period of time and then they reopen them in October. That would be a sign of progress. So the data is saying that we have signs of progress at a social order by the time we get into October and that the progress stems from something that's being done in August and it has to take a couple of months to come into into visibility or f fruition and then thereafter it starts becoming commonic. So the first hints of the first thin edge of the wedge uh of sound money starts changing the whole social order in ways we cannot imagine now most of the kids will never grasp what what has happened to their lives as this this happens and in the midst of all of that the cartisian paradigm collapses so I think that goes this July I think we will discover something or it'll be announced it's already known or whatever it'll be formalized that will basically basically say cartisian space doesn't exist. Here's the a much better model of our reality. And that'll start people going off basically now that we're out of the age of denial. They'll go off and and come up with human created versions of zero point energy. All of this kind of thing. And then it's like go go go from this point on.

>> You've alluded a couple of times to there being some information coming out that may change our view of what the creator is. Yep.

>> What do you think? Who who is it?

>> Okay. So, so what we have is the hermetic understanding. Okay. So, there we can easily state that there is an absolute and we are not it. Okay. We can easily state that the absolute behaves in certain ways and that we are not it. That there is an infinite mind out there and we are not it. We are a finite mind and we can only think to a certain degree and we're bound by that thinking. there's going to be um a new understanding, a non- theological understanding, a non- theologically tainted framework uh as part of our new paradigm. And this would so we could say there is supreme consciousness and this is a crude way of stating it. There is supreme consciousness and we're all little tiny containers of some of that supreme consciousness that has been tricked into believing itself separate from the rest of supreme consciousness and it's shoved into those containers. In my way of thinking these containers are energetic and there are souls and they are given to us from life to life to life. Part of this is going to come out is is this idea of uh eternal humans not immortal because each body dies but we are eternal and as this body I'm in now dies I will segue into another body and that the segueing the transition process is its own separate thing that we need not go into but it happens and I'll come out in another body carrying with it uh aspects of this life that I will take into that body right and so this kind of understanding will come out and a lot of the theology of life will fall away. This will be most effective on those religions that are ritualbound where they think the manipulation of matter. Oh, I can take this chicken and put my sins on it and then lop its head off and all of my sins are somehow absolved.

>> Right? So, Judeaic or or Talmudic understanding is going to go away. The Talmudic understanding um affects um Mohammadism, right? And so the, you know, the idea of the 72 virgins is going to going to die off, right? There is no perpetual heaven where you have a

>> who's going to break it to them.

>> That's going to be that's going to be part of this this whole process. Okay, so

>> the data sets had this weird thing. And I'm talking the data. So the longer it was in the data sets, the more it was picking it up ahead of time and watching the emotional energy build until it actually manifested. And we have yet to see a lot of the stuff that was in the altar reports manifest. Timing issues aside, timing is just such a [ __ ] on this. But anyway, so the data sets described a situation where there would be this uh what I'm calling a Christian revival. Okay, it's not really that because it's not about any church. It has very little to do with any relig any the uh theocracy or any theologically uh applied anything over Christianity. In fact, this Christianity will skew the the Bible. They'll think the Bible is just, you know, a 300-y old or a 500y old book that was written in the middle of of Russia, not as portrayed, right? And so these things will fall away and Christianity is going to take a different turn and some and I can't put it together. I don't have any of the details, but I just know that we're going to have a form of Christianity that is that is emergent uh that will have aspects of the book of Thomas in it. Uh, and that we'll go to the idea that Christ was a teacher of how to manifest and how to deal with all of these energies that we find ourselves in and was basically um a master of life attempting to teach us how to live, right? Not not attempting to save our souls or any of that sort of thing because you can't save your soul. It's it's eternal. It's perpetual.

>> And so, a lot of these things will fall off. Now, when that happens, as I say, there are going to be these periods where we will have news reports of disruptions, social disruptions that will take over large areas of Muslim countries and will cause the Muslim governments to freak out, cause all kinds of people to freak out, imams and all these people will just be spewing hate like you wouldn't believe. And and it will nonetheless be a phenomenon that no one is going to be able to control or eliminate. And in the data sets, it described this as sometimes waking dreams where people would be walking along on the street and basically be struck by an expression of the spirit and all of a sudden they're not their minds are not open to uh Islam anymore and they're going to consider themselves to be something that they'll label Christianity. Right? And so we're going to have to have a very much broader definition of Christianity. no Church of England, no Catholic Church restrictions, no evangelical restrictions, that kind of thing. It's going to be entirely different. In fact, it's going to cause huge disruptions within the uh megaurches here in the United States because this is also going to happen to those people that are Bible thumpers and stuff. They'll have dreams.

>> The pastors were taken to one side last week. Is that a true story, do you think?

>> That is true. That is true. That's factual. Yeah.

>> And told to prepare their people. Those were the terminology they were using, wasn't it?

>> Correct. These Okay. And so those instructions in my opinion are coming out of that group uh that they call the Lincoln group or the Lincoln project. Okay? These are the people that think aliens are demons.

>> And um and that's what they're attempting to do is to create a narrative paradigm ahead of the actual emergence of this stuff. And so maybe they actually know that three Atlas is colonizing Jupiter as we speak, right? and has been spewing probes all throughout our solar system. They know certainly it's not a comet. They know it's a big ship and was all of this. They're not telling us any of that. How long before any of this stuff comes out, I don't know. But they we can read we can imply or infer we can infer from some of their movements that they are feeling pressured by something uh time-wise to get this stuff out there. And and this pressure is most acutely being expressed by those people that see the the aliens as demons. Why that should be maybe it's just because they want to get ahead and they want to own the narrative when it comes out to try and control things. Who knows what their motivation is, but nonetheless, they'll be out there ahead of time. This is going to be just a really weird period as we get into this. it'll go for a couple of years with these episodes of and we're talking maybe we'll see a um headlines, you know, on on X or something that say, you know, 1,200 uh Muslim people converted to Christianity overnight in this particular village. You know, that'll be the kind of weird thing popping up and uh and so it's just going to be quite odd. But it won't be your papa's Christianity, right? This will be an entirely different viewpoint of the um the individual and that we call Christ and the relationship of Christ to an individual now and our spiritual awakening. And it's all going to be part of this um ontological viewpoint because the aliens don't believe in Christ. They don't believe in Allah or any of that, right? They understand the hermetic understanding of all of this that we're all encapsulated parts of a of a giant absolute intelligence. And so we have to deal with the aliens on their on their level, right? Otherwise we're ants.

>> Yeah. I It was Stuart. Did you ever read Stuart Wild's work?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Way back in the day.

>> Yeah. He was the first one that told you said UFOs are demons. And I that's the first time I disagreed with him. I was like, "Stuart, maybe you shouldn't drink vodka with the Iaska next time." Cuz I was like,

>> "Yeah."

>> Yeah. It was

>> It's too patch. Too easy.

>> Too easy.

>> Yeah.

>> Too easy. Yeah.

>> We live in a very messy, disorderly universe that's constantly changing. That's all we can count on is the never-ending event stream and the and the changes. And so, anything that would have a solid view, a a very definite view of any damn thing is rigid and is falling away. we're changing in the minute that you come up with that idea. Right.

>> Yeah.

>> And demons are so limited. It's um uh the understanding people have is so cartoonish and immature because they're not gnostics. They've never really gotten into any of that um back when. We're going to revisit all of that. All of this ancient stuff is going to come on up and we're going to have all these weird cults emerge and all of that sort of thing that will settle out over these next four or five years.

>> Well, that's why I'm finding it fun. Yeah, it is.

>> It is. It is. It is actually fun. And I know that you've uh given me a good portion of your morning and um it's been great chatting to you. I really appreciate your time today.

>> Sure. No problem at all. Love chatting with you, too. Yeah.

>> Yeah. You have a great uh day. Give my love to Heidi and um hopefully we'll see you again.

>> Okay. Thank you much. Anytime.

>> Thank you for everything. See you later. Bye. Thanks everybody. Bye.