The Blessed Virgin Mary in Our Redemption, Pt. 1, with Steve Faucher

[music] [music] [music] I'd like to welcome our good friend Steve Foscher here with us again to give us some instruction here on our blessed mother and the title of this series is going to be the blessed virgin Mary in our redemption. So Steve, thank you very much for being here.

Uh, now let's go ahead [music] and get started with a prayer. And we pray this prayer to our Lord Jesus. [music] In every moment and every hour I want to love you Jesus with all my heart and every [music] breath of my life while breathing I will love you. In every beat of my [music] heart, love, love, I will repeat. In every drop of my blood, love, love, I will cry out. In every movement of our bodies, love alone will [music] we embrace. Of love alone we will speak. Of love alone we will look. Of love alone we will want to listen. Always of [music] love we want to think. With love alone we want to burn. With love [music] alone we want to be consumed. Only love we want to enjoy. Only love we want [music] to content. From love alone I want to live. And within love alone I want to die. In every instance, in every hour we want to call everyone to love. Only and always together with Jesus. And in Jesus shall we live into his heart we will plunge ourselves. And together with Jesus and with his heart, love, love, we will love you. In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.

>> Amen. Um, is that the prayer from volume 10?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that prayer says it all, doesn't it? And so with that love that we've just prayed and asked, sweet mother Mary, we come to you now, our our beloved mother, we give this entire time that we have to you to help to mold us and shape us and bring us fully into the divine will as only Jesus wants to completely bring us to his completion, the order, the place, and the purpose that we've been called to come to. We thank you. Say, "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen."

Okay. So, we remember it's been what, a little over a month or whatever it's been since we were together. But prior to that the the last talk that we had I was sharing on an expansion of a talk that I gave uh with father Dave's group um which actually was in September now. So um as I shared that talk was you know roughly a little over a half an hour long. I had touched on a lot of things and I had a lot of different quotes from the volumes etc. But what I'm trying to do in this series of talks that are followed up now is to take each of those parts and to expand on it. So you remember that we did that. Um, last week we talked for close to an hour and a half and that hour and a half was on the first four minutes of my halfhour talk. So, um, we're we're going to go ahead and continue, but I'm going to put something into the talk right now I want to add that I didn't have, and I think that it's very very important.

Um, for example, what what we had talked about last week is how Mary was predestined, of course, to be the mother of Jesus and our mother both. So, equ I can't say equally, both. so divinely appointed and necessary in God's plan. Okay. And so we finished by looking at a volume uh entry volume 34 uh it was December 20th uh 1936. And in that entry, what we looked at is how that Jesus took every one of us, past, present, and future, and every one of us were conceived in the heart of Mary. And then it says then Jesus says that she was conceived in each one of us. And so we closed the last probably 20 25 minutes really on that whole theme of how Mary was conceived in not just were we conceived in her but she was conceived in us. So when we were born Mary has been conceived always alive within us always in every single soul even to a soul that's never been baptized. You have to understand that Mary has her conception inside every single person. And Jesus said that we have her as our own mother. So each one of us have her for our very own mother. She's not just the mother of all. Yes, she is. But she's individually each one of your mother, my mother. And she relates to us very individually as each one of us need her. As each one of us depend on her guidance, her protection, her instruction, her way in which she brings us fully into the life of Jesus. And ultimately in the divine will which we're studying, she brings us fully into the divine will. So she is everything in our relationship with father, son, and holy spirit. Okay? In God's plan, in God's purpose, he desired it this way. Okay?

So having said all of that, I finished the aspect of how we have her as our mother and then I wanted to get into the aspect of how she's the mother of Jesus. Um, I know let me back up again even when I was talking about how Mary became our mother. Remember that I pointed out from the blessed virgin Mary in the kingdom of the divine will how when Mary was just in the very womb of her mother St. And it was at this time of this loving exchange, I know I'm recapping a little bit just to bring us to speed to continue on that in this love relationship back and forth, she chained her human will to the throne so that she could only live of God's will. And in that God gave her, the Trinity gave her the mandate and the scepter of all mankind so that she would be our mother and protector. Right? So we want to see that Mary has been our mother always even from the very moment of her conception. And so you know when you study marology and scripture and and and you try to articulate aspects of doctrine and dogma of our faith etc. We don't have to look and we don't look simply at John 19 when Jesus gave his mother to John and John to his mother as that's when Mary became our mother. Heavens know Mary has always been our mother. And we're going to see as we're going to now begin to talk about her as being co-redemptrics. Mary didn't just become co-redemptrics at Calvary. Okay? It wasn't just when she was on that day, on that Friday, participating in Jesus's sufferings. And so she became co-redemptrics. Then no, from her very womb, she was co-redemptrics as from the very womb she was our mother and from the very womb she would become the mother of Jesus.

Now >> let me let me move.

>> Hello. No,

>> I have to mute some sorry Steve.

>> Okay, go ahead.

>> So having said that this let us take this exam of understanding Mary in a sense not even in a sense Mary became our mother before she became the mother of Jesus. now not in God's plan but in God's time because first she was conceived and then she was given us and she was given the mandate to call forth the savior to come meantime being our mother and imploring and pleading and weeping for us for the sake of the redemption. Isn't that something? She was mother to us before she was mother to the savior.

Now, I want to kind of hearken back to a talk we did, I don't know, a couple few months ago, and and Jeff, you'll remember when we talked about Mary, the queen bearer of Jesus, right? Right. Mary became the bearer of Jesus. And we looked at, let's see, I think that was in volume 34 as well. And we'll we'll get to that. But let let me just state my logical sequence that I did from the talk and then then we'll come and we'll expand on that. But um, first of all Mary had to prove herself to become the mother of Jesus. Now she had to prove herself in her loving dedication and commitment to live only in the divine will which she passed that test by binding her human will to the throne. Right? That was her passing of the test that God was looking for so that he could continue his work in her. He took delight in her passing the test so that then he could give her these things that he wanted her to accomplish and be a part of his whole eternal plan. But we see that Mary in the womb is always pleading for us. We see her as and as the church believes that she and as it's also told to us in the book of heaven, we see that Mary at the age of three then goes to the temple, doesn't she? She's presented in the temple. Now, all in this whole time, Mary is continually praying and invoking and interceding for all of us. She doesn't know that she's going to be the mother of Jesus. She has no idea. In fact, that's the furthest thing from her mind is that she will be the mother of Jesus. But God again was looking for her faithfulness so that she could become the mother. It wasn't automatic. Just because Mary was born immaculate and without sin, this didn't necessitate that she would automatically be the mother. She still had to pass the test. Even passing the test not to live her human will was not sufficient. Jesus still had a further test.

So I'm going to read again from Mary the Queen bearer of Jesus and that was in volume 34 May 28th 1937. So Mary had to prove herself to become the mother of Jesus. And it says, "When he was certain," Mary is speaking here, "when he was certain that I possessed grace, love, and power, and the very divine will to keep him safe, defended, and loved." Only then did he deliver the gift to me of the divine word, the eternal word, Jesus. Now, remember, we did [clears throat] that a few months ago. We read that exact passage, but I'm now bringing it into context of this talk and how she became the mother of Jesus. She still had to prove to God what it was that God was looking for. And what does Mary say when see when he when God got father son and holy spirit was certain that I possessed this grace love and power and I possessed this very divine will to keep Jesus safe to keep him defended and to keep him love only then did he give this gift to me that's when the trinity gave the gift of the motherhood of Mary to the divine to Jesus Okay, that's one example. I'm going to read you two more from the book of heaven. In volume 19, if you'll please write this down. In volume 19, May 18th, 1926. Here was another part of this very same test that the Trinity was giving Mary so that she could become the mother of Jesus. I read Mary had to embrace everyone and the acts of all generations substituting for everyone. God had to see that Mary was able to give him the complete requalle and the glory of the work that was entrusted to her. She had to prove herself to keep safe everyone and everything that the Lord entrusted to her for our redemption. Wow, is this powerful. And I don't want to just walk away from having read that. I think let's take take a look at that a little more slowly and see how powerful these words are, what it is that we're being told. Because this was the second part of her test. God was looking for this. Mary had to embrace everyone and the acts of all generations substituting for all. Don't we recognize that that's our responsibility in the divine will? Somebody give me a nod. Yes. That we recognize that these are the exact things that we're supposed to be doing in the divine will. This is what we're to be doing all the time is embracing everyone. Shall I say it this way? In the divine will, we recognize that in this cooperation with God to where he lifts us, where his divine real life lives in and through us, what he asks us to do is what Jesus did. Jesus says, "Do what I did." He wants us to enter into everyone, embrace everyone, intercede for everyone, offer all of their acts continually to the Lord, to glorify God. That's what we ought be doing all the time. I think it's in volume 19, but it's a prayer I do all the time where it says, "Fuse, as I fuse myself with you, Lord, I bring to you every soul that has ever been. And I give to you all the praise, the glory, the worship, the honor, the adoration, the thanksgiving, and the love that is due to you. And I make reparation for everyone and for each sin. Those are Louisa's words in in this volume. And it was always such a perfect prayer and the whole concept of what we're to be doing. Well, who was the first person that had to do that? Mother Mary. This had never been done. This could never be done because God never asked that of anyone. But here it was. He asked our mother to what? uh embrace everyone and all of their acts and substitute for them. We substitute for everyone in the sense that we speak for them and give the glory, the honor, praise that is due to God on their behalf. We give it to the Lord so that we're speaking for them. See, we're embracing everyone because in the divine will, everyone has been entrusted to us. Am I right, Jeff? And I'm looking here in this reading that you're giving us, May 18th, uh, 1926.

>> Yes. I'm looking at one where he says, "Now, my daughter, what I did and want it from my celestial mama in the great work of redemption, I want to do with you in the great work of supreme." The work of the divine fiat is a work that must embrace everything.

>> Amen.

>> Is this what you're re is this what you're quoting or is this another part in there? It looks like what you're saying something a little different. Um, I think in this one thing that I wrote, I kind of took the concept from a couple different parts of that entry and collated, put it together.

>> Okay, let me read exactly what it says. Can I

>> Well, it's a long entry, but go ahead and read what you got. I'll I'll

>> it just it just when I when you're saying about what we need to do living in the divine will and and I I read this and it you're so right.

>> The work and and it's not long what I'm going to read. The work of the divine fiat is a work that must embrace everything

>> creation, redemption and sanctification. So those are the three fiats. It is the basis of everything. It is the life that flows in everything and encloses everything within itself because it has no beginning. It is the beginning of all things and the end and fulfillment of our works. I just wanted to um I was looking in here where you were reading from and I couldn't find the exact wording.

>> Well, okay. Yeah. No, and what you're saying is absolutely right. Probably maybe in around the second par third paragraph, if I'm going to literally read from a part of it, it would say, "So when I saw in the sovereign queen the complete love of all creatures and all the acts needed to deserve the Yeah, Steve, I found in her the requ of the love for all. See, when I [clears throat] had done everything that I asked, that she embraced everyone, that she speak for everyone, that she give me the love of everyone. Then Jesus knew that he could come down. Why? because he would it he would be in the tabernacle of Mary the depository of all souls who she is substituting for and speaking for loving him. You know, this is very interesting, Steve, because you know, when we just read in the Virgin Mary in the Kingdom, on day five, we read about the test, you know, and now you're expanding on that and you're showing us other parts in the writings where Mary had to you begin to see the growth in Mary that she is evolving, that she is walking on, she's in motion, she's growing in her holiness and and and uh

>> to the to the to the to the point where she's going to be the mother of God.

>> Right. Right. So what she is doing, we can look at at the the mystery time of when she was 3 to 14 15 whatever that was in this period of time. Those that was a that was a time of complete fulfillment and walking in this grace and in this power that God had entrusted to her. She was sacrificing her entire life and human will for every one of us. We have to grab a hold of what this mean. She sacrificed her human will constantly her entire life for every one of us. Otherwise, we're not going to understand the redemption.

>> And she never counted the human co she never counted the personal cost on her. Never.

>> Which is amazing. And and why? Because she was fully in love with God and fully in love with his creation.

>> And and this is ultimately what God wants to see from us is that we continue to grow and expand in this lightness of this same love. Now, how far do I find myself from that? But I know at least the ideal. I know the calling. I know where God is leading us. Where Jesus is calling me. Where where Louisa picked up from where Mary left off, if you will, so that she could then be in this third fiat of this sanctification. See, of which we now enter into all of this. But let's look at this formationally and how God worked out his whole redemption, salvation, and sanctification. And he did it all with through Mary for us. That's why Mary can never be set aside because she was totally instrumental in everything for us.

>> Dave, can you give me the the volume 34 reference so I can write that down and I want to have these uh

>> Yes. So, yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank you for doing that. So, uh it was May 28th, 1937.

>> Got it. May 2837. Got it. Thank you.

>> Yeah. Um, let's see. I don't think I finished reading what I was saying here. Uh, volume 19. Yeah, in 19. Uh, okay. Then I wrote, she had to prove herself to keep safe everyone and everything that the Lord entrusted to her for our redemption. Okay. Yes, I did say that. Then I said, "So that and this is taken quoted right from the entry." So that the capital or in other words the investment of what God had of redemption might remain intact and through her our glory might be completed and our love required. Now who's who's the hour? Hour. That's God speaking. God's intent what he wanted. So I'll read that again. so that all of the investment of our redemption could remain intact. Everything that we've wanted to do, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, all that we want to do for mankind, and through her, our glory might be completed and our love required. She needed to give back the glory and give back all the love that man had not given for those all those years. Okay. Well, for the 4,000 years Mary was there interceding and giving back what then Jesus came to do as he redid all of our lives. Okay? Remember Jesus came and he redid all of our lives. He redid, let's put it this way, he redid all of our acts so that those sins, those acts that we did that were sinful or wrong, he redid them perfectly as if we had done them perfectly. And those things that we did not do that we should have done or that would have been right and holy to do, he did for us. So he has a perfected life that he offered to the father for every one of us which he says is held in suspension which just means that in other words it's there for our taking so that we say yes Lord I desire all these acts that you redid for me all this that you have done for me I desire and want to enter into everything that you've done so that I can take that and give it back to the father thanking you and praying praising you continually, continually. That is the life that I wish that I had lived up until now and that I want to continue to live until I go home to be with you. Everybody with me? Everybody? Everybody on board? Okay. Gotcha. So, this is this is what Mary did for us. And see, and so what what God is saying, Jesus is saying is this is what I wanted from my mother.

We saw it in 34. Now we see it in 19. You see, these were the proving grounds. This is what I was looking for from my mother so that I could come down and be born within her. I could take my abode from heaven within her very womb. That will become my new heaven on earth. The new tabernacle of God with men. As it says in Revelation 21, the heaven he heavenly Jerusalem come down from heaven that the tabernacle of God is with men. That that that is really with the Marian intention. That's what the mystical city of God is. The mystical city of God is Mary is the heavenly Jerusalem come down the tabernacle of God who is now she is with man. Mary has come to earth holding within herself the very savior God who has come to truly redeem everyone. She's the mystical city of God where dwells the tabernacle, the Lord Almighty. Hallelujah.

>> Glory.

>> Amen. You on fire.

>> When you talk about marrying Jesus, what else can you do? You get you burn up. [clears throat]

Okay, now, let's look just at one more. And are there others? I'm sure. But these I knew of and and I think they're progressive in understanding cuz each one of those were a little different. Volume 34 read a little bit different than volume 19. Each showing different prisms of what God of the light going through showing what God's intention and what he wanted from Mary and how she fulfilled that. Now let's look at the summit volume 29 and this is uh May 27th 1931. Volume 29 May 27th 1931. Now [clears throat] Jesus refers to this concept a number of times in the book of heaven and he calls it uh the prolonged good. Okay. Um, let me see. Hold on. Have you ever heard of that where Jesus says he wants the prolonged good out of all of us? Or he he uses the word uh prolixity.

>> Prolixity means that a prolonged good. He wants to see that we are steadfastly persevering

>> and not failing. Not when I say not failing, I mean not giving up and going back. He wants to see that we continue with him.

>> Constancy. Yeah.

>> Constancy. Thank you. It's like where Jesus says in the gospel, I think it's Luke 9:64, I think, um, where Jesus said, "He who puts his hand to the plow and then is caught looking back is not fit for the kingdom."

Now, that can sound a little little harsh. And we know that God is always looking at our repentance and goodness, etc. But the point is that Jesus was trying to make a point. Be serious about the gospel. He wants us to be committed. So when we put our hand to the plow, when we at when we come to him and desire to live for him, he wants to see us stay continual. Sure, we're going to fall in all of this. And he understands and he's working through all that. But he doesn't want us playing around and going back and then then coming and then forgetting about it for some months and then coming back. So this word prolixity or or the prolonged good is a teaching that he gives us in the book of heaven to like Jeff said encourage us to be constant. Okay. So let's not look at it in a harsh way. It's an encouraging way that Jesus is helping us to keep our eyes on him. Stay focused and be attentive. Right? be faithful and attentive. So, all right. Uh, this, okay, this part that I'm going to read from volume 29 is a direct quote. Um, so now this is Jesus speaking and he's talking about what this prolonged good is. And he says, this I did with the queen of heaven. I wanted the prolixity or in other words the prolonged good of 15 years of life pure holy and all of divine will. That's just like what we read in volume 19. See that's what I wanted to find in her for her whole 15 years. And that's just what he found. Right. Okay. Let me get back to my read. Life pure, holy, and all of divine will in order to descend from heaven to earth and into her virginal womb. He wanted to see this prolonged good. He wanted to see for 15 years this constancy, this continued life of divine will, sacrifice, speaking and substituting for every soul, past, present, and future that she might offer herself for them to God in love so that God could find that everyone's reflected good of himself was found right there in the heart, the soul, the womb of Mother Mary, he says, "I could have done it before. I could have done it before." In other words, it didn't have to last 15 years. He says, "I could have done it before, but I did not want to. First, I wanted her acts of of assurance and the prolixity, the prolonged good of her holy life almost to give her the very right to be my mother. Look how powerful that is. I wanted to see all this so that I could descend into her virginal womb. Yes, I could have done it before, but I didn't want to cuz I wanted her acts of assurance. I wanted this length of her holy life so that it would almost be like I owed it to her. But of course, that's not true. God owes nothing to any of us. Okay? But he's making it like, in other words, she was so faithful. She was so constant. She was so everything that I wanted that what could I do? She was absolutely the pure holy vessel of everything my heart desired. She fulfilled it perfectly. Then he became her child and she became his mother. See how powerful that is? those little references. This little part really needs to augment our understanding of Mary and her divine maternity and how that divine maternity came about because otherwise we can confuse it and just think, well, she was the divine mother right there in the womb. No, no, no, no, no, no. She was our mother. She wasn't the mother of Jesus yet. Jesus was looking for that prolonged good. He wanted to he knew that she had already given her will complete but he wanted to see that for 15 years in every way not just through her gestation in the womb of St. man. But now she lives out her whole life. She continued living that whole life. You could say in a certain comparison like what Jesus did with Louisa, right? Isn't this really in many ways we see the same kind of thing what Jesus was doing with Louisa? And he wanted to see the prolixity in her, the prolonged [clears throat] faithfulness. And it's what he wants to see in us. And this is what he crowns. He crowns his very work in each one of us. Right? Because the work of grace and the work of holiness comes from God. If we become holy, it's because of our cooperation and faithfulness. But the gift is of God, isn't it? So when he and ultimately we know this in the divine will teachings, when that time could could or will ever come in our life that he's seen the fruit and the faithfulness of each one of us remaining steadfast then he can truly fully give us the operative gift as possession. Right now, I'm I and you are operating in the divine will, but we're in and out if we're honest. None of us are always Please don't let's ever fool ourselves. So many little tricks of the human will are always pulling us out, but then we get back in. It's all right. But the longer and the more faithful in all that we do, God sees this. He is crowning his own works. He has given the grace and the fortitude to continue in his in the beautiful work. Ultimately, we hope and have the hope that one day perhaps we will possess this very divine will. Yeah,

>> Steve, I I I was listening to what you're saying and I read on here where he's talking to Louisa just after what you read [clears throat] and and he says, "And is this perhaps not the cause, the long prolixity, is that how you say that word?" Of the long sufferings, for I wanted to be sure about you, meaning Louisa,

>> right?

>> And not and he says, "And not with words, but with facts." Hey, it it ties into what you're saying that, you know, we can speak a good spiritual life in words, but like you're saying, uh, you know, it's easy for us to step out of that circle of light. And I think the the lesson here that Jesus is giving us,

>> he didn't spare his mother. He he made sure for assurance sake that, you know, these prodigies were made in her that she had to pass the test like you were saying. And he's he's telling Louisa the same thing. And and and and what you're telling us too, Steve, is the same thing that Jesus is the lesson here for us. It's not only about words. It's about facts. It's about staying connected throughout the day. It's about staying within that circle of life, doing our prayers, do reading and and moving forward, always constant moving forward uh not in words but in facts, you know.

>> Yeah. Well, Jesus tells us that the divine will is continuous motion. Right.

>> Right. Right. The divine will is continuous motion. You know the trouble with me everybody is I get static.

>> Yeah. [laughter] And and where is the continuous motion or or let's just take this little example that I can give. Is this a sin? No. But say how I love to have that big old peanut butter lick at night for my little evening snack with putting the big spoon in the jar with that chunky peanut butter. I love that. And sometimes I get that little Could you could you let that go tonight, son? Okay. I wish I could tell you that all the time I just go wipe it off, put it away. Oh Lord, how about tomorrow? Yeah. Okay. Now, now did I really sin? No, but if I'm really wanting to always please God and if I really sense that it was him, why would I say no?

>> Why would I say no? It's that's the human will say, "Oh, man. I just I'm not Let's do that later."

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And see, that would have never been with Mary.

>> Yeah. Yeah. that would have never been with Mary because she never did an act of her human will. So any movement, any inspiration, any thought was so in harmony with God that there was nothing that served as an interference

>> where there was something within her that would feel like it wanted to go maybe in this direction instead of there. Mhm. And I'm not talking about big sins. I'm not talking about even little sins. Just talking about just being animated by that full life of God. So it's so easy for us to talk about this. It's like when I talk about this with my men's group, I said, "Come on, guys." I mean, you know, in a certain sense, some of the divine will is simple and it's but but but it's be the hardest thing you ever do. Why? because it's a continual crucifixion of our human will. This human will does not want to die. God, it doesn't want to die. It grieves me so many times when I just see how strong the human will is. And I'm not talking about overt sin. I'm just talking about doing what it wants to do, even if it's good. You know, we can have things that we want to do that are good, right, and holy, but if it's not what God wants at the time, it's not the right time, and it's not the holy thing to do.

>> Yeah. You know, Steve, too, and and when you're saying about how difficult it is, and Mary in that day five, she says, you know, do we think that um that it was easy for her to do this? And she tells us, no, this was the greatest sacrifice in the whole history of the world that she did to do the will of God constantly, day in day out, second, every second, everything. And she tells us for us to do it for one day say yes and then another day say no. That's not She did it unceasingly. And she said it was hard. It's difficult. It was a sacrifice. Huh.

>> Well, it's actually totally impossible apart from the full grace of God.

>> Yeah.

>> We cannot do this. We cannot say, "Okay, I'm really going to do this now. I'm going to be committed and I'm going to do

>> well.

>> Well, we tend to think that because she was immaculately conceived that somehow this wasn't difficult for her. And she's telling us even though she had that grace, she still this was the uh her words are this is the greatest attestation that can be offered and the purest love filtered through the divine will itself that can be offered to our creator. What Mary did

>> right? And I don't want to belabor this, but I think it's good and it's instrumental just for our conversation on the divine will and its importance and then ultimately its appreciation of Mary. But again, like I was saying, there can be things that we do or that we want to do. Say, I want to sit down right now and I want to read the book of heaven. I'm really looking forward to this and oh gosh, there's this particular chapel I want to jump into and now I'm just really I want to sit down and relish this. And all of a sudden, maybe maybe there's something that my wife needs a hand with or there's some other kind of thing going on. And you know, and I could be thinking, well, maybe my daughter can give her a hand or maybe this or maybe that. See, the human will is just running around. Yeah.

>> Even though I know in my heart that God's saying, Steve, would you put just put the book down? We can get to this later. Why don't you go do this first duty right now? This would give me greater pleasure. Let's go do this. Wow. And then the struggles on. Is that God's voice? Is that my voice? [laughter] Most of the time it's his voice, but we like to argue with it. So, I'm only sharing this just to show that we're all in the same boat. Even though I don't see you guys nodding, I know.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Is it, you know, does anybody else have anything to say or to add that you'd like to because I know I'm talking, but I'm sure you all have experience what Steve's saying. I Everybody's shaking heads now, so.

>> Okay. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. And and we don't say this to beat ourselves up. I always want to be so careful. It's but it's the more that we can honestly see ourselves, then we can enter in more truly and faithfully to our nothingness. See, because we can use that word nothingness like, oh, you know, hey, I'm just a nothing. We're just nothing. We're all just nothing with the Lord. Yeah. And into my nothingness. And then we're still filled with the human will.

>> Yeah. Well, that's those words we were talking about. Yeah.

>> Words. We're just slinging around divine will. The But the more [clears throat] God opens the light within us and we can see the struggle and where we aren't what we think we are all the time. Then it's wonderfully humbling because then it's an honest exam of what we see going on. And then we truly realize I'm nothing apart from God. Every moment, every second, every every everything is dependent on God and his wonderful grace for me. And he's not beating me up. And he's not doing this to show how I'm not. No, it's only so that I can fall and become more dependent on him. Because the more we are dependent on him, the more he will do for us what we cannot do for ourselves. But if we want to think that we can do it, God will leave us in our blindness until we fall enough and then we realize that we need come to him and go, "Okay, Lord, will you take, you know, lift me, take take me?" Okay. So anyway, having said all of this, this is what fulfilled then everything that Jesus was looking for in Mary so that then she could become his mother. Okay.

So uh back now to the talk and what I did. So then what after I had established and we had talked about the motherhood of Mary and then I said that you know um that she was also called to be the mother of the savior. So I said well what was her purpose? What was the purpose in Mary becoming the mother of Jesus? Now I didn't say this but in other words some people like protestants basically just look at Mary as well she was just a vessel who could just give birth because after all Jesus came into the world so we needed to have a mother. So, you know, she was just one to give birth. Oh my god. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. She wasn't just destined to give birth to the Savior. Yes. Gloriously, she did that. But she was to be alongside the Savior always. That's why we we have that title co-redemptrics, meaning that she was with the redeemer. So um the okay the point that I would make right now is just as we saw that Mary was our mother from the womb and it wasn't just on Calvary. Same thing now then with the redemption. She wasn't just the co-redemptrics on Calvary but she became co-redemptrics when she was in the womb of St. Anne. Can anyone maybe articulate to me if somebody asked you, well, how was she corredentric in the womb? Instead of me just giving an answer or something, please unmute yourself or think think to yourself or try to express how is it possible? How could we think of Mary as being co-redemptrics when she was in the womb?

>> Well, does anybody want to talk? I I might have it wrong, but she was immaculately conceived

>> right

>> in the womb. And uh she was given the certain mandates. I mean, she was visiting the the Trinity all throughout her uh in the womb uh after she was immaculately conceived. She was given a mandate to be the peacemaker and the uh she was going to be the the uh between the blessed trinity and mankind way before she was ever even born.

>> Exactly. Yeah.

>> Exactly. It does that make sense everybody what what he just said. Yeah. Just give me a nod that make of course. So so this is the sense in which he was co-redeeming is because Jesus is going to come for one reason only to redeem us. Okay. Well, she's participatory in that. So, what she is doing in the womb is like what Jeff is saying. She was given the mandate. She's given the scepter. So, she is already suffering and sacrificing for us as she's in the womb. As Jesus suffered in the womb of her for every one of us, even though she was in the womb and by locating back and forth to heaven, she also then began weeping for us. When she was given the mandate and the scepter, she begins now to weep for all of mankind because she sees what has gone on and she understands this. So now she takes that burden on so that she can then infiltrate for us. That's all a part of this co- redemption, isn't it? There it's part of the redemption because she now is standing in and substituting for us. So that's not just being mediatric and not just being advocate, it's being co-redemptric because this is all the redemption that Jesus is going to work out. And she's already started that work by infiltrating and suffering for us and doing for us what we can't couldn't do for ourselves. And then I hate to it's amazing that she's already a peacemaker between the blessed the holy trinity and mankind. She's an arbitr she's the peacemaker still in the womb. I mean, how could you not say she's a co-redemptric?

>> She would have been given that mandate.

>> Yes.

>> I mean, it's amazing.

>> Yes. Yes. Well, I'm glad I'm glad to see your enthusiasm in that. That in other words, yes. Yes. That's what we're looking at. Because we've we've not heard it spoken this way, have we? But in truth, with all that we understand, what Jesus reveals to us in the book of heaven and in the divine will teachings, this is what's going to explode within the church. you guys. Mhm. When the divine willed teachings and with their understandings and with commentary and everything that will go out throughout the whole church, the church is really going to examine Mary under a much brighter light

>> than it seen. And it's had a bright light. When you read marologists and the study of Mary and everything, it's been quite beautiful, but it could only penetrate and go so far. it was limited because it didn't have the full expression that God has given us that he gives in the in the divine will

>> and some of the mystics you know like you say Mary of Agrada and you know we've had some of this insight previously but in conjunction with the Virgin Mary in the kingdom and then the writings in the the uh the book of heaven you know the other thing Steve that I thought is interesting as I write down the references you give us and we talk about May is the month of Mary, every one of these writings is May May 28th, May 18th, May 27th.

>> I didn't even I didn't even know that. God bless you. Isn't it wonderful?

>> I mean, it's amazing, isn't it?

>> Yes, it is. Oh, yes it is. Oh, that's beautiful. I love it when people see something that others don't and they bring it to light. Not a not a coincidence. Yeah. Mhm.

>> [snorts]

>> Well, okay. So, um, we see then back to the talk that that Mary is going to be, um, part of the redemption. And so, I know I've talked about this before, but I mentioned it in in the talk and so I'll just mention it again right now. Am I doing on time? Okay. Um, can we go another 20 minutes and this and that or whatever?

>> Sure, I can.

>> Okay. Yeah, [laughter] we can talk till the cows come home. There you go. Um, so yeah, so Mary is going to totally live within the whole function of God's redemption for man. She will co-participate This means that there is merit and there is reward in everything that she did. Remember when months ago I brought up the subject of co- redemptions at first and then I read what it said in Vatican 2 documents that uh her work and and and all that she had did not add to or take away from anything of Jesus. and and I felt like it troubled me. I didn't like the way the words were. I felt like it was a left-handed compliment that in other words, yeah, well, she did all this stuff, but it really didn't add to or take away from anything of Jesus. Well, we kind of really worked through that that night and the next time we talked where we realized, no, it wasn't taking anything away from Mary at all. It was only a definitive statement that in other words it was saying that there was nothing insufficient in Jesus and that of course we have to always remember everything of Jesus was totally sufficient for our salvation. He did not need our participation but he desired it wanted it and had it happen for us. So in God's desire, in his decree, yes, there was that which it was the necessary desire of God's heart to have happen. So that everything that Mary did was of tremendous value, sacrifice, merit along with Jesus for us. And we have to see it that way. Okay. So we see that this we see in Genesis chapter 3 verse 15 the famous verse that says after Adam and Eve sinned. We see that God intervenes and he places himself between Adam and Eve and he speaks to Satan. And he says to Satan, I will put enmity, in other words, hatred. I will put emnities between you, Satan, and the woman. I got statues of Mary everywhere here, between your seed and her seed. She will crush your head while you will

lie and wait for her heel. Boom. To be crushed by her heel. So there is the very first, what the church calls the protoe evangelian, the first good news, etc. Well, this is very, very powerful. This is what St. Irenaeus, in the, in the second century, called the understanding of the new Eve. Mary becomes the new Eve. As Adam becomes, excuse me, as Jesus becomes the new Adam. As Eve brought sin into the world through Adam, Mary brings salvation into the world through her son Jesus. Okay? So Mary is going to participate with Jesus in everything that he will suffer, his entire life for our redemption. In other words, it's not going to be just on Calvary. Mary is going to suffer. And we're going to get into these readings, as I did in my talk, that will illustrate exactly how Mary suffered every suffering that Jesus suffered. Every pain that he had, she also suffered the deaths and being given life. Death and being given life.

Now, outside of the divine will, we would have never had this understanding, right, Jeff? >> Yeah. No. No. >> This not this would not have been it. It was understood that she tremendously suffered always, but not in the sense that she suffered everything that he, uh, suffered. Yeah, I, that death and life thing. I seem to remember we finished up on the, the, uh, passion the other night, and I think the 24th hour talked a lot about her death and life in the 24th hour of the passion. >> Yeah. I, I don't recall for sure. Yeah. But she, yes, she did.

So, these again are truths that are magnanimous. And you know, I, I have to, I have to confess that when I gave that talk, you guys, I was thinking to myself, I hope Father Dave doesn't get a little upset with my really because, you know, a lot of people are coming to this day of divine will, you know, that don't really know much of anything of the divine will. And I'm thinking, my gosh, I hope I'm not pushing the envelope by bringing something that's going to blow somebody right out of the door. God forbid. Well, you know. Oh, really? Seriously? >> No. But you know what? There's so many, when you have a talk, there's so many different levels that's there. You don't. So, when you pick a target audience with a divine will instructor's talk, it really means everybody from somebody that doesn't know anything to somebody that's been in it for years. So, I know what you mean. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah.

And and that's why, you know, I >> I wanted to be careful how I presented, but I really wanted >> them to know that I it wasn't me speaking. >> Yeah. >> My thoughts or my perception or my understanding. I'm reading Jesus's words of just what Jesus said from the book of heaven. So, I knew I was on >> solid ground. >> Right? >> And Father Dave only said nice things >> about it. So, thank God. I mean, he didn't say, "Why in the world did you do that?" [laughter] >> He's not gonna do that. Yeah. >> Who, who could really hear that Mary actually suffered all the things that Jesus did? >> Now, he's not saying to the exact magnitude. So, I don't know, and I'm not going to say, I'm not going to guess. All I know is that it does say she suffered everything that he did. Yeah. And in the same parts. Wow. Well, if it says that, I'm going to believe that, you know.

So, um, anyway, oh, and you know what? You, this I wrote myself a little note. This was from two days ago. I was, uh, I was reading a little bit from Maria Valora. Any of you remember know who she was, a mystic? Yes, I like her a lot. I know a number of other people really treasure her a lot. And, um, I was, I was first of all just relooking at what I had done in my talk and this and that. And that's when I wrote myself a little note that, you know, Mary was co-redemptive her whole life. It wasn't just, you know, for most of it. It was for the entire life. Well, I finished and, and probably about 15 minutes later, I, I picked up this, uh, book, The Virgin Mary and the Writings of Maria Balto. And, um, I just opened it up and so helped me. I just opened it up and my, I look at this page and my eyes fall fell on this. This is only like 15 minutes after I had written and entered that in. It wasn't like I was reading this and, and here's what my eyes fell on. Speaking of Mary, she has been redeeming since she began to exist. >> Wow. >> Wow. What a gift. Yeah. [laughter] >> She has been redeeming since she began to exist. That's exactly it. >> Once again, there's a mystic, you know, these sips of knowledge that we've been given through these different mystics which supports what we're, you know, the writings in the in the volumes, you know, >> right? That happens. So often. >> Oh, so often. And it's, it's a, it's a wonderful validation. Not that I have to have the validation because I consider the book of heaven my most precious stone, >> right? >> It's, it's the pearl of great price. It's my everything, >> right? >> But my book of heaven is my true everything. So where I find also in scripture where the germ of the divine will is hidden and found there or in the writings of different mystics, venerable Mary McGrada or an Kathern Emik or St. Bridget of Sweden, Maria Valort, etc. How precious. >> Yeah. See the insights that God has given others of the same truth. Yeah. And and especially some that are a 100, 200, 300, 400 years old, 800 years old with, uh, St. Bridget of Sweden.

>> So how powerful, um, so let's see. Oh, all right. We'll, we'll, we'll start with this and kind of close with only one part of it. So then I move from this and I, and I said, um, after establishing she's the mother of all men, the mother of Jesus, and then she, her her purpose and her reason was to be co-redemptrics. Then I asked the question, what did Mary possess from God? So as she came into this world, what was it that she possessed? And so that was the door for me to speak about this gift of inseparability. This was the next level that I was going to build on. Remember, we're leading eventually to Calvary and her entire embracing of the suffering. But so in order to come to this stage to be able to talk about how she suffers everything with him, I got to talk about inseparability. Mhm. >> So I said in the divine will, um, Mary possessed the gift of inseparability, or in other words, this being at one with, complete at one with. And I said, um, and this inseparability was in two ways, and we'll look at both. I said, one is that she possessed an inseparability of union with Jesus. So, in other words, everything that transpired in the life of Jesus and Mary was always on a level where there was an understanding and a presence of one to the other. There was, they were always in union. Even when they were physically apart, they were still in union. Now, that's awesome. See, once again, you'd go, "Well, how can that be? They're not together." But we're going to see where Jesus says that. And I said, "And the other inseparability is they had an inseparability of pain and suffering." Okay.

So then, um, Oh, I don't have it. I'll have to open it up. So the inseparability of union that I talked about, and you can write this down, is in volume 11. Well, actually, it's all over the book of heaven. That I chose to read was from volume 11. Look at this, Jeff. May, May 9th, 1913. Okay. May 9th. Oh, I know. Wait, wait, wait. Just go to the notes that I had when I gave the talk. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're from volume 11. So this is, this was the part that I quoted from that volume entry. And so I read where Jesus was speaking and he said, "There was such life running between me and her, Mary. There was such life running between she and I that not one thought escaped her which she would not draw from my mind." In other words, everything she drew from me and I drew from her. Not one thought escaped her which she would not draw from my mind. And then a little further down, I read this part. "I felt my sweet mother everywhere. Everywhere." So you see, remember when I said that they were apart, but they still always had this union. She says, he says, "I felt my mother everywhere. I felt her in my breath. And if it was labored, she would relieve it." How would she have the power to be able to relieve his breath? Because of this gift of inseparability, this at onement that they had, the very presence of mind and presence of inseparability that even in his labor, she, he was receiving refreshment from her. "I felt her in my heart, and if it was embittered, she would sweeten it." How about when Jesus was out preaching the gospel and when people wanted to throw stones at him and people rejecting him and everything else, the hardships, and he's feeling embittered. What did he receive from her? She would sweeten it. She was sweetening the hardships, the suffering that he was going through. He says, "I felt her in my step, and if it was tired, she would give me vigor and rest." Oh, how beautiful. How beautiful. We could go on, but it's probably time to quit right now. And that, that at least introduces the first aspect of this inseparable union that the mother and the son had together.

Now, of course, we believe and we know that in the gift of the divine will, we can live in this inseparability also. We're the only one that can separate. He lifts us. God lifts us to the place of inseparability. But Mary and Jesus lived it perfectly. Remember this. Remember what it says in the book of heaven. "What God is by nature, Mary is by grace." >> Yeah. >> Think about that. What God is by nature, we're talking everything. Mary is by grace. In other words, what he lifted and brought her and formed, embellished, created, fashioned her to be. This inseparability that they had was the perfect inseparability. >> The rest of us can talk about it and we can go in and out and we can relish it, as I know that Jeff, you and I do, because we love that whole subject. We love the subject of inseparability. But Mary and Jesus possessed it and lived it and were refreshed and touched by one another. Always. Hallelujah. [laughter] >> I'm just, I'm going to stop because otherwise, if I don't stop, I just don't stop. [laughter] >> Hey, Steve. >> Yes. The section you just read, I have noted and I had it all underlined. And the more we talked, I said, "Yeah, I can remember reading this." You know, I'm a novice, okay? I remember reading this, but I have here that it's a cross-reference or added volume 34, December 20th, >> Oh, gosh. >> 1936. [clears throat] You know that one? >> Oh, that's the classic volume. In fact, that's the one months ago I said we were going to go through. >> The first one you were going to go through. >> Yeah. [laughter] We're going to eventually get to it. >> Yeah. >> We're going to eventually get. It is the summit. It is the summit of Mary. >> Yeah. Because I run and I have all this underlined. So I said, "God, did [laughter] Okay. Good." >> No, the whole entry is just nothing but a Marian antifon. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions for Steve? Anybody? Before we do a prayer. You know, this is so, uh, so much and so deep. And I'd love to say, so as you were speaking, I was thinking, okay, I, you know, I remember this, you know, it made so much sense, you know, reading the, um, Virgin, the Divine Kingdom. You know, I've read that. I keep saying, I, I need to start reading it every day again. And, um, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, I say it in the Divine Will. And Mary, God, she's indescribable. She, she's, there's no word. I, I can just, you know, as you were speaking and, you know, feeling everything that Jesus felt, you know, it's like, I, there's no words. So, thank you for bringing these words alive. You know, they, it was, Yeah. >> Yeah. No, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate. It only just pleases my soul to see somebody else appreciate the truth when they hear it and that it moves them as well. >> You know, that's the greatest thing, isn't it? >> The greatest thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Remember, I remember how Mary in the Virgin Mary in the Kingdom, how much she says it makes her happy when we desire this. Remember when she starts out in the Virgin Mary in the Kingdom, she's enraptured with us. She wants, she's so joyful when we open our hearts, like you're talking about, Germaine, to, uh, to want to know and to love her and to grow in this love. And, you know, um, for us to spend election night here learning about our blessed mother, and, and what better thing could we have done today than to honor her by becoming more, uh, knowledgeable in her her gifts and her sacrifices. And, um, it's time well spent. And I want to thank you, Steve, for taking the time here on this night to do this with us. Any other questions that you have for Steve? Anybody? I'm going to do a prayer, Stephen, and you can finish if you want, like you do sometimes. In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Immaculate Queen, our celestial mother, we come unto your maternal knees to abandon ourselves in your arms as your dear daughters in order to ask of you with the most ardent sighs and this month consecrated to you the greatest of graces that you admit us to live in the kingdom of the divine will. Holy Mama, you who are the queen of this kingdom, admit us to live it as your daughters, that it may no longer be deserted but populated by your children. Therefore, sovereign queen, we entrust to you, uh, we entrust to you ourselves that you may lead our steps in the kingdom of the divine will. And as we cling to your maternal hand, that you will lead all of our beings to live perennial life in the divine will. You'll be our mama, and to you as our mama, you will deliver our wills that we may exchange it with the divine will so that we'll be sure not to go out of its kingdom. Therefore, we pray to illuminate in us in order to make us comprehend what will of God means. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, and our mother, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. We love you, mother. Love us and give us a sip of your divine will in our souls. [clears throat] And I would just say, as we always say, uh, she is our mother. Absolutely. We honor, we love that. But let's never forget to always say, she's my mother. Remember, she's my mother. That has to be personalized. Jesus says everyone has her for their own mother to raise them, guide them, and protect them. >> Praise God. >> Praise God. >> We bless you, Mother Mary. We thank you for everything that you have done for us, that you always do for us, that you always will do for us. The very divine will that we aspire and pray in that beautiful prayer that we just prayed. We entirely give our will to God. We do it as the prayer said, through you, because you can take this will of ours, which is so tainted and so weak and vacillates so, and with your strength and with your motherly love, you can perfect that and watch over us and bring us fully into this very will that we live forever with you and with Jesus and with one another, glorifying God for eternity. Amen. >> And I wanted to say too, when I think of, I think of the words of our blessed mother, Juan Diego. >> Am I not here? >> I who am your mother. >> Yes. Yes. >> So anyway, Steve, thank you so much for tonight, in this time. We, we truly are blessed to have you with us, and we look forward to your, have a great, wonderful, successful surgery on your thumb. >> Thank you. And we'll be praying for you, buddy. And, um, >> we hope you can come back soon because we're going to miss you. [music] If you can. >> Okay. Well, I'll do the best. I mean, I, I want to be here more than you want me to be. >> All right. Well, we hope you can. 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