“Do You Know How Many FAT Gazans I've Seen?” Bassem Youssef vs Jonathan Conricus

[Music] Mr. uh Jonathan Con artist, all of the Israeli cabinets have genocidal language. We should start asking why are we funding this?

I think you should update your poison. I've heard it a million times. It's interesting for me to hear that from an Egyptian. Egypt never received $30 billion to murder children and bomb hospitals. Israel is like shaggy. You show your kid the children. It wasn't me. Dude, your war crimes are documented. They have broken more international laws than Diddi has violated young raps. I'll give you credit for saying catchy things and sound bites, but in terms of actually knowing what's going on in Gaza, you have no clue. 3 months of of starvation, that is nonsense. You know how many videos I've seen of fat Gazans, of fat Hamas fighters. Dude, we gave you $30 billion to bomb children and it's not enough for you. At least when you pay a dominatrix, you know that you're getting [ __ ]

Five of Israel's allies, including the United Kingdom, have sanctioned two senior members of the Israeli government. Finance Minister Smodri and Security Minister Bengave are accused of inciting extremist violence and serious abuses of Palestinian human rights. Both have called for the aggressive expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Banks. Modric says that Gaza will be entirely destroyed and that not one grain of wheat should be allowed in. That's genocidal language. And the result is an extraordinary situation in which two two of Israel's top ministers are now banned from traveling to countries that Israel counts as friends and allies. The United States, Israel's oldest and most important ally, is rapidly running out of patience, too. President Trump might be the only person outside of Israel who can end this war. This week, he called Netanyahu to tell him that a ceasefire and a hostage deal are not enough. He expects the war to end.

With today's debate, I'm joined by two very familiar contributors whose insights we value and respect. Jonathan Con Rickers is a former IDF spokesman and combat commander. Bassim is a satist, a former surgeon and a figurehead of the pro-Palestinian movement. Both have spoken a lot about October the 7th and the long history of the war and indeed the conflict. So, we're going to focus on what's happening now and what needs to happen next. Jonathan will go first. Bass will respond. We'll try to give both of you equal time and a statement to respond to. So, let's get into this. Um, Jonathan Krikus, first of all, your reaction to this pretty unprecedented news that two Israeli senior ministers have effectively been sanctioned by some of Israel's closest allies.

Yeah, it puts into question if it really is a close ally. And I think it I'm very disappointed. I think it is egregious. I think it's wrong. I think that decision is hypocritical. I think it is unfair and probably impossible standards that are only applied against Israel. And I think it is very unhelpful. Uh and I think that Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the same words, very unhelpful for the UK and a few other countries to gang up against Israel and to do that. I will say that I didn't vote for either of those two ministers and I probably uh don't share many of their views and definitely not their language and style of communications. But I will say that they were democratically elected and that in Israel, which is more than I can say about a lot of people and so-called leaders in the region who are not under UK sanctions and I think that they represent what their voters feel now without espousing and supporting specifically what you quoted Metal Smidge saying when it comes to humanitarian aid. I think there's a bit of irony here that he is now sanctioned after he himself as Minister of Finance signed the budget that pays for humanitarian aid that is now being delivered to Gazans. As far as I know, more than 14 million meals have been provided by Israel and the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation over less than two weeks directly to Palestinians without Hamas or their front organization UNRA being able to touch, contaminate, control and divert the aid. And I think that is pro positive development. Welcome. I think that it is late in the game and we should have done it earlier. But I'm happy that it's being done now. I'm happy on two fronts because one, there is a need for food to be provided and two it undermines the control and the strangle hold that Hamas has over the Palestinian population. Okay. And I would also say under the same just one last thing Pierce under the category of hypocrisy. I have read so many tweets and statements by so-called humanitarians who claim to care about food and the humanitarian situation in Gaza. They are the same people who are now saying that this humanitarian effort by Israel isn't enough and that they don't support it. I wonder why they don't support it. And I think that they don't support it because it doesn't support the UNRA mechanism that is in place that keeps Hamas in place and because it is perhaps the beginning of the end for Hamas. And a lot of people have a vested interest in Israel not defeating its enemy. Okay.

Bas your response. You guys are talking about these two ministers as if this is the exception. I mean like all of the Israeli cabinets have genocidal language and uh Mr. uh Jonathan Con artist on the other side he's like saying that uh it's they represent their constituents which means the whole society the whole community is genocidal. This is what they represent. Uh and actually like I I'm think like we we're asking the wrong question. We should be asking like instead of what should we do we should start asking why are we funding this? Why is my tax money $30 billion to date went to Israel to buy 2,000 pounds bombs and F-35s to dump Palestines? Why is your tax money pierce is going to the British government to finance this? If Israel wants to defend itself, let it defend itself by itself, not with my money. And also like this is like a country that's it's bragging that's this lobby is buying off politicians in America. Apac is bragging about 80% of Congress being paid by them. If one politician in the EU, in Britain, in America was paid with bride by Russian money. Oh my god, you're going to have six month wallto-war coverage, foreign interference, democracy, and pearl corruption. But with Israel, crickets, complete radio silence. And now I like and I brought this by the way many times and it was just like you flow over it because this is the real question, right? Because you would spend three hours talking about if this is a proportionate response but we not talk about three minutes why is my money why is hurricane relief funds in Caroline in America are going to fund Israel. Also like I don't understand the relationship between America and Israel. It's like it's the most effed up situation ever. We're like the world's most pathetic sugar daddy. We give them billions of dollars and they [ __ ] on us like Mr. Jonathan said. Now we're ganging on them. We're not helpful, dude. We gave you $30 billion to bomb children and it's not enough for you. Like, I mean, at least at least when you pay a dominatrix, you know that you're getting [ __ ] But this is just America having a public humilation king while getting [ __ ] And they call this foreign policy. They are arresting American students on American soils for protesting Israeli war crimes. What the hell, man? This is like your crack [ __ ] making you beat your children for calling her what she is a [ __ ] And the thing this is what really boggles me in America. The right and the left they fight each other tooth and nail over gun control, education, minorities right, healthcare, DEI. But when it comes to Israel, everybody competes to be Israel favorite [ __ ] Republicans hate handouts unless it's for Israel. And Democrats, they love human rights unless it's for the Palestinians. I mean this is a dulu state. You guys are dulu. You are dulu. Like I came here today to witness for myself how someone can lie so shamelessly. The guy is like a human pinball machine. Every question lies on him ends on kame is like a like a magic it with one answer. At least flatearthers they make things interesting. You guys are boring. You are like the same thing. I I I left all of this. I left I left the media because of this. I come back. It's a it's a freaking groundhog day every day. The same question, the same thing. Dude, nobody believes you. You are liars. Okay. Nobody believes you.

Okay, let me let me just say, well, since you haven't been on media for a while, Bassim, you would probably would have noticed that I've become quite unpopular actually with the pro-Israeli lobby because I've been increasingly critical of Netanyahu and his government and believe they have Because if because if you not your doormat, if you not accurate, they will they will not do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But you know them. All right. That's just You may have missed that. But Jonathan comriers your response to what Bassamus said.

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Well, you know, I could choose to respond to many things. I could respond to your foul language. I could respond to how low you speak. I could respond to your nonsense rhetoric and basically I think it shows that you've been out of the business for a while because you're repeating regurgitating a lot of stuff that's really old. I think you should update your poison. You should get an updated version of the talking points against Israel. All of the things you said are they're quite low level. They're not very impressive. I've heard it a million times and it's quite childish. It's interesting for me to hear that from an Egyptian. Uh, last time I checked, Egypt is the second largest beneficiary of American money. And if you reportedly really care about your tax money, then have you asked yourself why the US is providing so much money to Egypt and what the US gets in return? And what I would like to know is why is the Arab Egyptian Republic refusing to receive refugees, their Arab Muslim brothers from Gaza? And why are they so inhumane and cruel and preventing poor Gazans from escaping a war zone? Last time I checked, the only war where civilians have been prevented from leaving, escaping, fleeing a battlefield is this war. I cannot remember and maybe you as a comedian can think of another war where civilians were prevented from a neighboring non-hostile state to flee the war. I cannot remember any such thing and I think that the country where you come from has a lot to answer from. I know that you're more you're more confident in in bashing Israel and talking conspiracy theories and Apac this and that and all of the other nonsense that you regurgitated. But let's talk about Egypt. Let's talk about their responsibility. Let's talk about US funds to Egypt. Let's talk about their cruelty. Let's talk about how they have prevented humanitarian access to Gaza. Let's talk about the fact that they have built the world's biggest wall that dwarfs the Chinese wall and all Israeli security walls between Gaza and Egypt. Why did they do that? Out of Muslim compassion, out of care for humanitarian rights of their Arab brothers? No. because they want the poor Gazans in and because they know that programs like this one and other programs will support Hamas propaganda and will blame Israel for what's happening when in fact Gazan should have been evacuated out of out of Gaza in the second or third week of the war. we would have defeated Hamas quickly and with far fewer but just to be clear Jonathan just to be casualties just to be clear programs like this one hosted by me which is the point you're making I think I just I'm afraid uh I take exception to a threemonth policy of starvation of a populace that's been relentlessly bombarded that includes so many children that's my problem and I think that the war aims the stating war aims of Israel at the start of this which was to eliminate Hamas um and to get the hostages released. Neither of those things have happened. All that's happening is more and more civilians are getting killed in the process of going after the Hamas terrorists. And you've taken also as a government to starving uh already impoverished children. And I just find that unconscionable as indeed by the way do two former Israeli prime ministers who've gone on record of saying that. And there was a very powerful piece by a Jewish writer Thomas Freeman in today's New York Times saying, "Israelis, diaspora jury and friends of Israel everywhere need to understand that the way Israel is fighting the war in Gaza today is laying the groundwork for a fundamental recasting of how Israel and Jews will be seen the world over." And he doesn't mean in a good way. He means in a very bad and serious and potentially dangerous way. So yeah, this program has evolved. It It does stand for that. Well, well, I'm going to go to Bassim for his response, but you know, since you you you brought that up about this program or whatever allegations, that is what I get to respond. Okay. Well, I'm going to let Bassim respond, but that's my that is my response to what you said. So, Bass, so let's Well, I didn't, you know, finish making a coherent sentence. Let Bass finish first. Okay, by all means. I didn't interrupt you. I didn't interrupt you. You asked me about Egypt. I'll answer. You didn't. I appreciate that.

onethird of the aid that Israel receives while Egypt have 10 times the population. Isra Egypt never received $30 billion to murder children and bomb hospital. Egypt was never allowed to have the privilege of having more than 58 vetos in the security council, right? And also that why doesn't Egypt take Palestinians? This is like someone going into Fifth Avenue, shooting someone in the face. It's like why do the neighbors don't bury the the body? You're the guy doing the killing, not Egypt. So stop talking about Egypt. Anyways, and and I also I would like to like Jonathan and his likes to please stop Zionizing us. Stop the zionizing. Zionizing it's a verb which means to gaslight someone with such shameless narcissistic psychopathic audacity that you deny reality to their faces while simultaneously playing the victim, engaging in endless circle debates to go nowhere and displaying a complete loss of empathy and basic humanity. Right? Remember peace why the first video went viral because I called Israel a narcissistic psychopathic behavior that [ __ ] you over and then makes you think it's your fault because this is what Israel does. It didn't happen. And if it did, you're remembering it wrong. And if you not, it's your fault because you're looking into my phone. Narcissists lived in their own madeup reality. They don't share your reality. They live in their own custommade universe where facts are negotiable and truth is whatever serves them in the moment. And when it comes back and when you corner them, they throw tantrums, accusation, kamas, anti-semitism, full victimhood mood. And it's pointless to debate with them, right? Because take take him for example and the likes of him. You show them a video, it didn't happen. You show them UN reports, these are lies. You mention international law, it's complicated. You get testimonies on the ground from doctors and nurses at Hamas propaganda. Y we saw it with our own eyes. Your optic nerve is anti-semitic. Israel is like Shaggy. We saw you on the hospital. It wasn't me. We saw you kak children. It wasn't me. Dude, your war crimes are documenting Hamas propaganda also. It wasn't me. There is no point of of debating gas lighters. We have 4K videos, satellite imagery, and your own soldiers posting on Tik Tok bragging about killing children. But of course, yeah, the entire planet is having mass hallucination, right? This is like Israel has the same credibility as a Ponzi scheme, right? This is what I'll give you I'll give you an example how dulu is Israel right Israel calls itself I mean he was in the IDF and he tell you the most moral army in the world also they call themselves the most vegan army in the world so Jonathan here is representing an organization that is both vegan and genocidal we will not eat chicken but inshallah we will bomb a hospital and barbecue it you see see how [ __ ] up is this is like calling Jeffrey Dammer the most vegetarian serial killer in history right and this is this is And but one more thing, does any army in the world call itself moral? This is another trait of narcissistic psychopathic behavior because they project to the world the exact opposite of who they are. If they lie, they brag about being honest. If they cheat, they lie, they brag about being faithful. And if they are cheap, they brag about being generous. And if they are criminal, genocidal, they brag about being moral. The most moral actually. Okay.

I mean, look, I would take away from that something that you and I, Jonathan, have reached agreement about, which is it remains appalling to me that international media and journalists are not allowed into Gaza to examine the veracity of all these claims uh from an independent perspective because that would go a long way to answering the complaint, which is completely valid by Bassim, that every time there is any kind of incident which reflects badly on Israel, the immediate response is to shed doubt over it ever happening. or to say it was to mass propaganda or whatever whatever whatever and the reason for that is because the Israeli government knows that there are no independent journalists from outside allowed in to ascertain the facts and of course nearly 200 Palestinian journalists have been killed by air strikes. So you there is a an awful that on that I know that Jonathan you and I think agree about that right. I think it would be in Israel's interest and the world's interests if they simply lifted the ban on journalists and allowed independent journalists to do their job and verify all these things that are happening. I mean you agree right?

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Yeah, I I remember having this conversation with you and I think it was that little Canadian Jew, self-hating Jew, I forgot his name, who who who repeated the same lies or the same same story about media. And I remember telling you, Pierce, that I will personally see you in the Gaza Strip if you decide to come over since you have been campaigning on this and since I think that you have a point. I don't think that what you say is true and I don't think that all of the allegations that you make some of them are directly unfounded but which ones out of interest which which allegations are what you said what you said what you said in the beginning of three month the the last the three month blockade food and aid to response yeah three months of of starvation that is nonsense that is absolute nonsense but you had a three-month blockade right I mean there was a well hang on hang on hang on hang on hang on Jonathan Jonathan So, let me explain. You asked, you did you did your model. You say nonsense, but there was a three. You don't just don't keep talking. And if you're there was a 3 month blockade of food and aid. You accept that. Yeah. Pier, I listen. We both know that I cannot be in a shouting contest with your mic with this situation. I'm not even going to try. Of course you can. You can't just dispute there was a No, I'm not. You have to You have to agree there was a three blockade. I will tell you what there was. There was before that a ceasefire which was violated by Hamas

When Hamas refused to turn over hostages and to agree to the deal that was presented by the US, with Egyptian and even Qatari support, Hamas refused to hand over those hostages and to continue the ceasefire. The ceasefire was ended, and Israel returned to fighting.

Now, during the ceasefire, Israel literally pumped the Gaza Strip with international aid. Not because we very much wanted to do so, because those were the conditions of what happened when the ceasefire, the American administration. What happened when the ceasefire ended? And when the ceasefire and when the ceasefire ended, Israel stopped allowing that because fighting continued, and Israel killed 300 people, reported the ne the next day. Israel killed 300 people. Here is the really important. I don't expect even you to to try and explain they were all terrorists, right? So they killed 300 people the next day, and you launched and the Israeli government launched a three-month blockade of food and aid. These are simple facts. And Israel Israel did indeed stop providing aid to allation there. But it was not a tactic of starvation. Nobody else is starving in Gaza. Nobody is starving in Gaza.

Why are they risking each other after the Gaza Striping each other to get to with international aid peers after the Gaza Strip was flooded with aid and when UN warehouses couldn't even meet the capacity and when truckloads were delivered from the Israeli side and weren't even taken by the UN on the other side and by their Hamas counterparts? That is when Israel said, "Okay, we're also going to go back to fighting, and nobody is starving in Gaza." That is a complete fabrication. And if you speak about 4K evidence and all of that, Basim mentioned a lot of nonsense. But you speak about evidence, you know how many videos I've seen of fat Gazans, of fat Hamas fighters, of overweight Gazans. Do you know how difficult it is for an Israeli to believe that Gazans are starving when I see in social media that there is that there are open hotels, that the markets have fresh produce, and that I know the amount of food that is coming into the Gaza Strip? So allow me to question and doubt everything what you say. Allow me to question and doubt everything that you say, Mr. Comedian Basim. And because you don't have standing, you don't have knowledge, you're outdated, you're repeating. I'll give you credit for saying catchy things and sound bites. You do do that very well. But in terms of actually knowing what's going on in Gaza, you have no clue. You're a complete uneducated person who is just regurgitating monologues and catchy names and popular culture at and you don't think the branding is a bunch of fat people who aren't starving. You think that's that's not a catchy little phrase to get attention [ __ ] I've ever heard. I mean, really, Jonathan, you're reduced to saying that are so overfed. Come on, man. Send them treadmills and appear the only really skinny people that I've seen in Gaza. You know who they were? They were Israeli hostages that were starved by Hamas. They are the only skinny people, malnourished and tortured people that I've seen coming out of Gaza. They are the only ones that have been really malnourished. All the other ones that I've seen, and believe me, I have watched hours and hours of footage of Gaza that none of you have taken the time to watch. And I've seen the journalist in healthy and why don't you let the journalist in to verify whether there are actually any starving people in why don't you if you're so right and all the gardens are incredibly fat from all the extra food they've been eating. No, that's not what I said. You did actually. Then why don't you let the journalist let the let the journalist in and we can analyze just how many fat people in Gaza there are who've been overfed in the last few months and we can analyze how many times you organizations have whether the thing is Jonathan you can say what the hell you likeing but we can't verify it can we you won't let journalists get in to verify it. I I'll said it now I'll say it now a fourth time. Pierce, I will invite you personally. I am inviting you personally a fourth time and I've said it I think three or four months ago when I was last before that on your show. I said peers I agree that you should be able to get access to it because you have been campaigning and you would let me go anywhere in Gaza or would I have to be directed to accompany you and make sure that you would get access? Yes. No, I would I would make sure that you get in and that you get the opportunity to speak with Palestinians. Yes. All right. passive response. You would have a good opportunity to do it. I was promised your response. I have I've spoken for 3 minutes or even less and the rest he's spoken. This is unfair. Like come on guys. Well, you had equal time until that last exchange where I where I was arguing with him. So now so now you can bombass him. So So first of all, Israel is known they have broken more international laws than Diddi has violated young rappers, right? This is like this is [ __ ] right? This is like this is the problem with debating with path pathological liars than him. It's like trying to nail jelly to the wall. It's messy. It's pointless. And everybody watching knows that you're wasting your time. Pathological liars don't argue with you. They argue to exhaust you. Right? The whole point is to drag you into pointless and maze of circular logic that you either give up or you lose your temper. Right? You present evidence, they question the source. You give them the source, the sources are biased. You show them video footage, the footage is taken out of context. You give them the cont. It's complicated. For them, truth is not a destination. Truth is a moving target, right? Everything can be always debated including gravity, right? Reality for them is another opinion. War crimes becomes allegation. Genocide becomes a conflict. Dead children becomes casualties in a very sad complex situation. Words have no meaning anymore. Right? So this they do all of that while maintaining this calm reasonable demeanor. You know, like him. He has like a resting genocide face like you know it's like it's it's like crazy right they are not here not they're here to waste time while people die so you don't debate with pathological liars you diagnose them right so like because this this is this is a problem and also I've been hearing I just want to ask like do you do you do you practice in the mirror this uh victim voice like because you just sounded as if the the the most powerful nuclear power in the region are hiding under the bed like a small puppy. This is this is crazy. And also, let's talk about journalists. How many times Israel killed journalists and then like it didn't happen. It wasn't us. No, it was us. But it's an accident. Let's talk about journalist. Let's talk about journalist by all. Don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt meas like it's not us. Let's talk about journalists indeed about Let's talk about Shut up. I did I didn't interrupt you. Shut the [ __ ] up. So anyways, like you have like you're telling me to shut the [ __ ] up and don't use that language with me, Mr. They have Don't use that language with me. That language and you're killing people. Malish, I'm so sorry if my language is hurting your feeling again. Don't use that language with me. Try to keep it civilized. Do it do it for a second. Try to keep it civilized. Civilized. Okay. Anyways, like let's talk about journalists. Like let's talk about journalists. How many times they kill journalists, right? And how many times they denied it. was not us. It was a mistake. Oh, we will investigate. And let's talk about journalism. Let's talk about Asa Wein Stanley, a British journalist in London. His house was raided by British police for writing and exposing Israel war crimes for exposing their claims on October 7 for exposing the rape hoax. He debunked the rape hoax. He exposed the animal directive. This is a guy sitting in London talking about a foreign country and he was raided by British police. So I want to ask everybody who cares about freedom of expression including you peers like shouldn't you be worried that one of your nationals a British journalist he shares your same profession to be raided by London police and his and his equipment taken away for writing about a foreign country. What does this tell you about England? What does this tell you about Israel? What does this tell you about the so-called freedom of expression in the west? Right? So, like this this is the problem like this is the problem of dealing with people like So, let me let me ask you a question, Bassim. Let me ask you a question because I' I've given Jonathan a hard time. I think he's deserved after some of the things he said. I let me give you a different type of question. The Israelis say and have said from the start, all that has to happen is Hamas release the remaining hostages. And they have steadfastly refused to release the people that they kidnapped on October the 7th, 2023. Why don't they release the hostages? And do you condemn them for not releasing them? Uh, you see, this is the problem. Is that going hard on him? Pierce really, do you condemn Hamas? Seriously, your voice is annoying. Stop. your voice. So is yours, but that's okay. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I know. I know. But you know what? People pay to come to my shows. They wouldn't pay to come to yours. Anyways, so here here's here's the I I'm not going to uh go into a pissing contest with who is a better comedian. You can have that title. You can be a you will definitely lose a comedian. Okay, so here's the thing. Let's talk about credibility. Now, this is what Israel claims. Why would I believe anything that Israel says? Pierce, did you ask him a question or is this in another monologue? No, I do. I do want an answer to the question, Bassive. I think that's only fair, right? I mean, it's a very straightforward question. I'm telling you, this is Israel claims. Why do I believe a liar? Israel has lost if Israel has You don't dispute there are still hostages, do you? Or do you? Yeah. These negotiations have fallen many times within the government because people inside the Netanyahu government didn't went through any question I asked you. They have testimonies from that was but hang on B that wasn't the question I asked you I simply said why haven't they released the hostages and do you let me remind you but and do you condemn Hamas for not releasing them oh my god do you condemn Hamas do you yes yes I condemn Hamas this is great even if they have hostages even if Hamas was a vampire sucking baby's blood what is happening there is not justifiable You're not just you cannot you do not destroy a whole population. That's a different question. A different question like that's a different question and I agree with you. By the way, I agree with I actually agree with you but my question is very simple. Should Hamas release the hostages and does the fact they keep refusing to do you condemn that? A simple question. Yes. Well, here's the thing. Hamas have agreed to again I'm not a Hamas representative. I cannot speak for them but we all know that Hamas is comes. No, no, no. Israel has sabotaged this deal many times based on testimonies from inside the Israeli government and from the family of the hostages. Israel is the one that's been has sabotaged but answer my questions. I am answering your questions. It's not that because they do it because Israel has sabotaged. Should they release the hostages and do you condemn them for not releasing them? Of course they should. Of course they should. Do you condemn them for taking the hostages and not releasing them? I condemn Hamas for not releasing the country and I condemn Israel for keeping more than 25,000 hostages in Israel. Half of them is women and children, right? And it is again let me go back to my point credibility. Israel has lied many times. You have the prime minister of Israel went in front of the UN right before they bombed Lebanon and he said every house in South Lebanon in their kitchen in their garage harbors a missile forbah if this is not comedy what is this how can you believe someone who said something that have you been to southern Lebanon he said have you been there do you know anything about it no don't say that have you been there do you know anything about it out of the three of us I'm the only guy who's been there. You haven't been there. You don't know about it. You I'm sure I'm quite sure that you haven't seen intelligence about the bal operations and I'm quite sure that Pierce hasn't either. I can tell you that I've seen it with my own eyes. Yes, I have seen tunnels underneath houses in Lebanon. I have seen houses that use for military purposes. And when you speak about lying, well, at least you should have something to back up your claims. You're saying nonsense. You don't know what you're talking about. You're cheap TV. Can you not Don't talk over each other, Jonathan. There's no point. Let Bassim finish and then respond. It's fine. Shut the [ __ ] up. All right. Finish your point and let Jonathan fragile, always deeply hurt state while doing that. They're doing that while holding the gun. Israel is what happens when you give a very a very advanced military to a car. Actually, he looks like a car. He looks like the male Scandinavian version of a car. Actually, he looks like he swallowed a car. But Israel is the only place where you can bulldoze a house and then sue you for stratting the tank. But but dude, dude, nobody nobody everybody knows that you're lying. Your neighbor knows that you're lying. Your barista knows you're lying. Even your GPS avoids your house because of this thing that comes from your vicinity. Everybody know you're lying. Well, I would say this. All right. I let me let me jump in. Pathologically lying. Okay, let me let me put it this way. You know what, Jonathan? you're perfectly entitled to not care what I think about any of this or what Bassam Musf has to say about it because obviously he has passionate views on the other side of this. Um, and I've changed my views as you know I've said this to you very clearly. Um, but I'm not the only one. What would concern me right now if I was Israeli or Jewish actually is if I read Thomas Friedman's column which was very powerful and I urge people to read it today on the New York Times website. If I saw that the UK, Australia, Norway, Canada, New Zealand have sanctioned two members of the Israeli government for repeated incitements of violence against Palestinian communities. If two former prime ministers, one EU Elmer said, "Enough is enough. Israel's committing war crimes." Ehoud Barack choosing a war of deception would write a new chapter in the March of Folly. The war is a misleading smokec screen that purports to be a campaign for the country's security and future while in actuality it's a political war. You've got your own former prime ministers, you've got Jewish columnists, you've got five allies, and they're all being increasingly critical of what this Israeli government is doing. Why does that not concern you? So, let's let's address that. Um, first let's uh characterize the countries that are part of that. Norway is not an ally. Norway has been really the tip of the most extreme part in Europe propagating for Palestinian state at all cost. Yeah, I will. I will. And as I said in the beginning, I am indeed worried. I'm saddened by it. I think that it is a wrong decision and I regret that. That is what the UK has decided to be the policy that the you know why they're doing it, don't you? They're doing it because Smodri and Ben have made no secret through their publicly stated comments that they want to kick all the Palestinians out of Gaza. They also endorsing endless new illegal settlements on the West Bank. This is genocidal language that they're talking. That's why these actions have been taken. And I don't believe Jonathan coming into Having interviewed you many Hang on, let me ask a question. Having interviewed you many times since the start of the war, I do not believe that you have anything in common with these people. I I just think you instinctively know what they're saying and what they are planning to do is wrong. So, let let me say this. As I said in the beginning and um and I've been clear about it, I didn't vote for and I probably don't support them in much of what they say. Not in content and not in the way that they say it. I don't think that what everything that these two ministers, these elected officials say is wrong. But I do think that many of their statements have been tasteless, have been wrong, and have been unhelpful. Now what I am concerned with a lot really a lot is what we spoke about the last conversation when you had a hood on. You asked him one semi-serious question about the war crimes war crimes allegations. He didn't back it up because he doesn't have anything to back it up with. He was just there for the headlights, for the headlines and for the attention and because he has a grudge against BB and because he also has a lot of criticism against him. That is fine and that's part of the Israeli political debate and environment and that is usually what happens in democracies when people have the ability to say what they think and they have the freedom to do so. By the way, Arabs have it as well in Israel unlike in most other countries in the Middle East. However, what I would say is also very worrying and I think relevant to this program and to many other programs is how easily Hamas propaganda and anti-semitism are platformed and what the consequences of journalists. A few questions ago you started speaking about journalists. I would like to address the issue of the responsibility of journalists when they report from the field. I would like to address the responsibility of the New York Times of Yet they are in the field. They are heels. They are in the field. They have people in the field and they have people. How many international journalists are currently in Gaza? How many international journalist are currently operating freely in Gaza? Why why would you why would you diminish the importance of Palestinian journalists? I asked you how many international why would you unqualify them? Killed them. I didn't kill them. I said how many journalist. You can see who is reporting. Yeah, you can see but you can see who is reporting. All of the major networks are reporting from Gaza. You don't like the reporting from from Gaza, then let international journalists in. But you won't. And there's only one reason you won't. Because you don't want journalists you don't want journalists to to actually report what's happening. You would rather smear all Palestinian journalists. And we are in agreement. peers, peers, we have covered it and I have already said that we are in agreement that you and I have said two Israeli counterparts of uh of off media that I think we should allow journalists in. We have said that and I think you don't need to use it every time an argument of something that is remotely and you keep questioning the integrity of Palestinian journalists who are getting killed in large numbers, record numbers in fact. But you won't let the international journalist. I will continue to do that, Pierce. Yes. And I will continue to question the veracity of That's very easy to do, isn't it? Palestinian. So he's going to smear Palestinian journalists who are dying in large numbers cuz you won't let any other journalists in. So you say all the ones that are there are pro Hamas. There's a lot of reporting from Gaza. There is a lot of reporting from Gaza. And really I think you know it's fine that you you have a point to make. But you cannot say that every time I open my mouth and I speak about press coverage or false or falsifying reality or repeating Hamas propaganda. That cannot be the answer that you use each and every time that I make a point about reporting and responsible because it's journalists and editors actually. It cannot be Jonathan. I'll tell you why I can. No, it cannot be. Let me answer. I'll tell you why I can. You can do everything. I'll tell you why I can. Because I think responsibility goes both ways. Let me answer you. Let me answer. Responsibility. Let me answer you. Stop talking and let me answer you. Right. This is the the reason I care by all means because ultimately we've got to a place in this war where Israel denies or casts doubt over anything that happens which reflects negatively on the IDF or the Israeli government. Anything. It's all just dismissed as it didn't happen. It didn't happen like that. We'll launch an internal investigation ourselves. And so the the the overriding answer to all of that problem, to all

Of that, to get to the truth, to get to the bottom of it, is let the international journalists in. So I will keep saying it until it happens. I know you agree with me. I know you agree with me, but you agreeing with me doesn't make it change.

Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, as I said, you can keep on saying it, but I would keep on saying that I think journalists and editors have responsibility for the lies that they spread and for the anti-semitism that they help flame. And I think that we see that Jews, when you speak, you—you expressed concern and you ask me how I feel as an Israeli and as a Jew about what people say and about the situation. I am concerned, without even a drop of cynicism about what you said. And I think those are serious issues that this government needs to answer for. But I will also say that I am very concerned with the ease and with the negligence that I see journalists and people with access to microphones, how they just spread falsehoods, libels, and lies about Israel and about Jews. And I see the real-world consequences of what happens when Islamists and Palestinian supporters and Hamas supporters and all of the other bad apples that have embedded themselves in western society are allowed to—I'm going to get to take the streets—I'm going to get Bassim to respond, but I would just say on that point, I myself have seen in the last two weeks that if you dare to criticize the Israeli government—in a way that almost everybody is now doing, by the way, whether it's former Israeli prime ministers, whether it's allies of the country, you name it, people are queuing up to criticize the Israeli government—but when I did it, despite having defended Israel's right to defend itself for many, many months—as Bassim knows, we argued about it—that I was immediately accused of being a Jew hater and an anti-semite. It is—it is a deliberate campaign; it was a deliberate campaign to shut—to shut me up; it was a deliberate campaign to stop me criticizing the Israeli government by branding me a Jew-hating anti-semite, which anyone who's watched his show from the start of this war knows is complete nonsense.

Right, Bassim? Your final word to this.

That's not truth. But it is true. I—I read it every—every second on social media. I saw myself being accused of being a Jew-hating. Criticism against you was your peers. You know that the criticism against you wasn't because you have criticism against Israel. It was because how you spoke to Natasha, the tone and the demeanor. It wasn't the content, by the way. She is a barrister for a group called Lawyers for Israel. She's not an impartial horse in the race. She's supposed to be an international barrister. If she can't take tough questions or being challenged or being interrupted by a journalist, she's in the wrong job.

Right. Bassim, your response to Jonathan to round off. Bassim will now be allowed to speak without interruption to finish the debate. Bassim.

Uh, first of all, Piers, welcome to the behavior of narcissistic psychopaths. They love bomb you, and then when you make a single criticism about them, they go all flip like batshit on you. Welcome, Habibi. Uh, also, like Jonathan, like overuses the word anti-semitism so much. It's like a used condom at this point, you know, completely stretched out, lost all its protection, and nobody wants to touch it anymore. Jonathan uses Hamas more like a crackhead uses excuses, right? And let me tell you about like things from the ground. I'm coming to London, by the way, 19th of July. There is a big concert called Voices for Solidarity. They are—they have organized by health workers for Palestine, right? These are people that were on the ground and they saw with their own eyes and they have testimony. I would love you to actually uh, host some of them. So if you want people from the ground so they tell—but of course it's—it's going to be like Hamas propaganda and all of that. And also like one—one what is like really have been bothering me about all of this is the reset. It's as if the media is—is—is—is living its own Groundhog Day. Everything resets, right? Like Western media has the attention of a TikTok algorithm. Every discussion starts from zero. Every crime exists in a vacuum. Every part is freak—like coinc—like, "Oh my god, those Israelis had really bad luck with these accidental hospital bombing." What the hell? Forty hospitals bombed, and we discuss 41 as it's a new development, right? You—it's like covering a Syria killer's new 20th victim without checking the 19 victims in the freezer. This is not covering the story. This is covering up the story. And here's the thing. Nobody—nobody believes you, Israel. Nobody believes you. Nobody likes you. No matter how much media covers for you. No matter—no matter how many politicians you buy to parrot your talking points. No matter how many fake influencers you hire to whitewash your face. No matter how many fake Indian-based accounts that tweet for you. No matter how many European models you bring in and you pay them so they can dance with the IDF uniform, right? That everybody can see you. Everybody can smell your [ __ ]. Right. You are like the neighbor who firebombs everybody's house and he's sad why he's not invited to a house party, right? You will win in the battlefield. You will get more land because America supports you. It's like supporting a rabid dog that shits on your lungs and eats your cats and bites everybody, and it's like, "Oh, you just like have a bad day." You will win maybe on the battlefield, but everybody knows who you are. A bunch of heartless, psychopathic, demonic [ __ ]. And that's—I don't—I don't have anything to say. Is that the end of the debate, Piers?

That's the final statement of this. If you want to—if you want to have a final word very quickly, by all means, I'll—I'll try to say something positive. You know, despite that very foul language and what he just said, um, I will gladly invite you and your grandchildren to come visit Israel in 70 years. Maybe you and I won't be here, but maybe our grandchildren will. They will come to see a flourishing, democratic, free, prosperous society that, despite the actions of the people like you, despite our enemies, despite naysayers, despite haters and many other people, they will see that we will continue to live in our ancestral homeland. We will continue to nourish it and love it, and we will continue to prosper and live here despite people like you. All right. But I would also like, in 70 years' time, to see exactly the same for the people in Gaza who are Palestinians, and that it's their choice—and it's their choice. They can—I would like to see that. I would like to see that kind of utopia for them as well and for them to enjoy the same human rights that you and I enjoy. Uh, I've got to leave it there. So would I, but that's their choice. All right. We got to leave it there. Jonathan, you had a—you had a good amount of time to speak, as did Bassim. Thank you both very much. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing: Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcast. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate, and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical. And we couldn't do it without you.