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Hi, I'm Chad Walquist. I'm an architect here at Paler. Today, I'm going to have a conversation with a fellow Palen. He happens to run our insurance business in the US.
So, thanks for joining me today, Tim.
Thanks, Chad. Happy to be here! I would love to hear about your backstory about Paler. I think it's absolutely fascinating from where you've come from to where you've come to. Maybe you can share a little bit.
For sure! Yeah, that's kind of easy to say. So, I did a PhD in physics, funnily enough. I wanted to be an academic, you know, a theoretical physicist, and was in research for a bit. I got a bit frustrated with a number of things, although I learned a lot. But particularly the kind of lack of direct immediate impact you have on the world.
It's fascinating to see a physicist dive into Paler's data-driven world. That academic foundation often brings a precision that reshapes industries. Could this be the key reason Paler Tech has such a strong foothold in data-sensitive sectors?
Yeah, centuries away from impact, but you are!
For sure. I then moved into doing kind of data science, you know, building machine learning models for a number of different clients around the world in different industries, one of which was insurance. Actually, I realized that the issue with that was also the lack of operational impact. A lot of the models I was building, I didn't feel like were really driving any meaningful change for the clients I was working for.
Yeah, and then I found out about Paler, which obviously has a really strong focus on driving real impactful change. I've been here now for about five or six years and have had a great time.
Most people don't understand that Paler is a bunch of pods in different businesses. Each one of those is essentially the size of a unicorn startup that's out there. So you're like the CEO of a unicorn startup for the industry AI in the insurance space. It's quite cool!
This pod structure is genius. By running each industry focus as a standalone powerhouse, Paler isn't just a data company. It's like a collection of startups, each laser-focused on revolutionizing its own field. That's a model designed for big, lasting change from a sort of personal growth perspective as well.
Because you get to kind of have the experience of all of the problems of, like, how do you kind of motivate and hire people? How do you have the right technology? How do you get clients? How do you keep clients? How do you deliver and execute well? But you have all of the machinery of Paler behind you.
We encourage people to grow and accelerate and drive business—not with the goal that you're going to be here forever. I think that's just evident, seeing that we have the highest per capita of being started to find unicorn startups.
I'm really excited about that. I really believe in the value to the world of insurance being better. In many ways, Dr. Carr is always about the world getting very risky. I think of insurance as the kind of fundamental backstop to make sure that you have the reserves and the capability to put the world back together and keep the world running when something goes wrong.
I think it's extremely meaningful for the whole world if insurance works better, if it works faster, if it works cheaper. I think that impact touches everything.
So, I think that being better—it's something really idealistic and I think that really aligns with Paler's mission to sort of increase the resilience of the world or make the world more sort of risk tolerant.
Paler empowers its employees to act like founders, facing real industry challenges with serious support. This unicorn startup model isn't just about scaling profits; it's about shaping leaders who will drive mission-driven impact across sectors, even beyond Paler.
I guess from your perspective, from the operational side of operationalizing these workflows, what's your perspective on the insurance industry? Because you came in cold, and you're like, "Okay, five years ago, I'm going to learn everything about insurance." What’s your perspective on what you’re seeing as far as the insurance industry, especially with the AI kind of boom coming in?
I feel like we're at the point of the hype cycle now where maybe some people are actually starting to underestimate the impact of AI. I think it's enormously transformative for insurance, and there's two things.
So, the first one is pure operational efficiency. This can be several weeks or even months to come up with a quote, and we're putting things into production now that are reducing that time down to less than a day or, in some cases, hours from the time that the insurer receives the documents from the broker to the time they're able to respond with a quote. So, that's like orders of magnitude difference in speed—fundamental.
I mean, it sounds like, "Okay, we've got these expert groups, and now I'm able to accelerate their throughput." That's actually a really nice segue into the kind of the second thing you alluded to already, which is the benefit of the AI being able to provide reasoning into the process.
All of these insurance companies will have underwriting guidelines defined by the chief underwriting officer or some underwriting council, and those underwriting guidelines become part of the ontology, the corpus of information that's available to the AI to reason against.
So, you're able to say to the AI, you know, not just “Which business is this that wants insurance?” but “Does this meet our defined standards for our guidelines for the types of things that we, from a kind of risk and exposure, and also like even an ethical perspective, want?”
AI-driven efficiency in insurance isn't just hype; it's creating a transformative shift. Moving quotes from weeks to mere hours shows how powerful automation can be. How often do we see entire workflows compressed like this while maintaining precision?
So you're essentially capturing the first principles that they operate on, and now those principles are made available to AI to help reason across, still with humans in the loop. I think that's so powerful—the interconnection of all that powered by the ontology. I think that's just so cool.
I'm sure there are a lot of our competitors and other companies coming in trying to do this in the similar space. What are you seeing from the broader landscape as far as people trying to solve this from a technology perspective?
There's definitely a prize here, right? Because this is like a golden problem. So, there's a lot of people going after this problem, and there are loads of startups going after this problem.
I think you're absolutely right that, you know, specifically in insurance, it's obviously a highly regulated industry. The information that's coming in in these processes is extremely sensitive. Insurance companies, to get these things to work properly, are going to have to be able to prove to the regulator that these things are well governed, auditable, transparent, reproducible.
They're going to have to have lineage into the information that drove a decision. I'm not a lawyer, but you do have to have to prove all these things to the regulator. So, I think that's a really fundamental kind of reason why people tend to go with Paler for this type of thing in insurance.
But also, I love the idea of “what does forward deployed mean?” Like, we're bringing the product team to the edge, building the product that matters to the customer at that point in time. I think that's such a big differentiator for us that, like, until you see it, it's hard to believe that we actually have the product team working with a customer on a unique basis.
I think it is a pretty unique approach, and it has been incredibly powerful. I think the thing that is really hard for our customers, which is why— to go back to when you said the kind of boot camps—things are so important, is all of those logos and things in their tech stack, and those specific software providers now that they are an AI platform.
So, it is actually quite hard for new customers to differentiate what actually works and what doesn’t. I think that's why we—that's also the other kind of critical reason for the forward-deployed approach is proving it by doing it.
So, like, it's easy to say; it's easy to hook up the kind of API call to GPT and pretend that you are. But it's hard to actually be accountable to the outcome and deliver the real, like, fully orchestrated end-to-end outcome. And that's what we many can set up AI, but few can ensure end-to-end reliability and transparency.
Paler's forward-deployed model places experts alongside clients, proving real value rather than theoretical potential. In an industry as sensitive as insurance, isn't that the ultimate competitive edge?
Yeah—a safe and secure and scalable way.
So, all this is fun and awesome, and there's really cool stuff going on. I think that's the thing that keeps me here, is that I just have the ability to—and the freedom—but also the leverage with the product and all the people around me to actually go and, like, you can actually truly deliver the outcome.
I think the other thing I'd say, which would be motivating to the right type of person and demotivating to the wrong type of person as well, is like, it's cool. It's really great to be in an environment where you always feel like the dumbest person. So, I feel like everyone at Paler is smarter than me.
I feel like in every meeting I'm in, I'm sort of humbled all the time, so it’s very cool to work with people like that, where you're just continually sort of forced to raise your own bar because everyone else is so incredibly impressive.
The other obvious theme, which I think is worth saying, is that it's always been impressive to me how much we are willing to push people to the front of a problem immediately. If you want to come, and if anyone wants to call me, you could own these problems from minute one.
I mean, there's no levels or kind of training plan or stages of hierarchy or titles that you have to move through in order to get access to the cool thing. You know, once you're here, you can do the cool thing from the beginning, and that's always been the thing that's really impressed me.
Well, thanks for joining us today, and thanks Tim for coming all the way to Arkansas to have the conversation.
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