Jesse Lee Peterson Joins The Sitdown: New Black Fatigue and Old Jim Crow

I am your host Carl and today the Audacity.

What up guys? Welcome to another episode of the sitdown. Today I have a special guest, Jesse Lee Peterson. Um he unites the races with truth instead of dividing them with lies. He is 30 years on the radio and he is the founder of Bond. Um the author of From Rage to Responsibility. Welcome to the show, Jesse.

Thank you. is amazing to be here. Really, thank you.

What do you think of Dallas so far?

Um, I lived in Dallas for six months.

Okay. I uh in my 20s I moved here because I was going to Bell and Howard electronic school and so I I ended up living in South Oak Cliff for a while.

because I didn't know where I was going and it was like the hood because it was a project and then I ended up moving to North Dallas but Dallas didn't I didn't agree with Dallas for some reason. I I was sick a lot here. I think the weather was something.

Yeah. So,

it's pretty hot.

Yeah. So, the weather was interesting. But I like Dallas. It's just that I couldn't live here. So, I went back to LA.

in the summer. It's kind of miserable, but it's it's nice this time of year.

right? When it get hot hot here, it get it goes through you.

It's like really hot.

If you don't mind me asking, what year were you born?

Um, let me see. What year was Jesus born? No, I was just wondering.

I'm born in 1949.

49. Okay. So, you've kind of watched like the downfall of society.

I never imagined for a second that the downfall, as you said, could be this bad or even happen like this really in in in my country.

Cuz when you were

It didn't seem like possible.

Cuz when you were a teenager, it would have been like what the ' 60s then? '7s.

Yeah. So, wasn't that like the free love like time, you know, like the hippies and stuff?

Yeah.

But was that not that bad or that prevalent?

Well, I grew up I grew up in Alabama on a plantation, so it wasn't that wasn't happening down there.

Okay.

It seemed to me the free love thing was more I guess up in New York somewhere.

Okay.

It wasn't in Alabama, not the part I live in.

Okay. So, it was kind of like a city thing.

right? And then the country was really different.

right?

Yeah.

Yeah. And the country it was more family.

You kind of wor you did your own thing. And even though there was the Jim Crow law, it didn't affect living at all.

We just did our own thing.

Okay. And that that was

and that was like a respect for one another. we would disagree, but there was like a a respect for one another, blacks and white. That's not there now at all.

And so you're saying race relations were better under Jim Crow?

Yes.

Really?

When I Excuse me. When I become president, I'm going to bring back Jim Crow. [Laughter]

There goes my career. Sorry.

Okay. Because the races they got along better under the Jim Crow than they do now.

Okay.

It it seem as though integration it it doesn't work.

Yeah.

And I realized the reason for that is that you can't make somebody love you.

And integration was a force thing

rather than allow people to come together on their own with whomever they want to come together with and just unite together. Right. But they forced it and it just out of control now.

That seems to be most relationships nowadays. It's like very forced.

It is forced. Yeah.

And it doesn't work when it's forced. If it doesn't happen naturally and on its own, it's not going to work.

I hear you say that a lot, but I don't really understand what it means.

Um like in a marriage.

Yeah. For example,

if the marriage didn't come together, if the dating thing didn't come together on its own, you just out there, you meet someone, you get to know them, uh, and you decide, well, this is the right woman for me.

And the woman realize, you know, this is the right man for me. It's happening naturally. No one put on a front.

Yeah. They don't have like showcase personality because everybody has a showcase personality.

and they use that showcase personality until they get married. Then the real thing come out.

That's so true.

When you first meet someone, you're not going to know who you're meeting.

Yeah.

Because they do the man and the woman. They put on a showcase. But the morning after the night of the marriage,

all hell breakers because now you're seeing the real person and it that relationship didn't come together naturally so that you can know who you're marrying, who you're meeting, who you're marrying. And the marriage will happen naturally without you trying to make anything happen. It's abnormal to try to make any kind of relationship happen. It should happen naturally without any work at all. You shouldn't put anything into it.

You know what? For Gen Z, they're so antisocial though.

Yeah.

That I don't really think things happen like naturally the way they used to. Like men don't really approach women anymore for good reason, right? Women have told them not to.

right? They're afraid to.

Yeah.

Yeah. They're afraid to. But in those days when I was growing up.

Yeah.

there I had so many women. I never thought about at first I was afraid of women a little bit because I resented my mother.

but after a while I realized just another person.

but in my mind I had because I made my mother my god I resented her so I had women in in my mind they were in a different position. It's like you had to treat them special you know in a special way. But when I realized that's not true I just treat everybody the same. It works better that way. And so this generation millennials and Z's they are free because first of all they resent their mothers.

Yeah.

And whomever you hate controls you.

and so they made the mother their god. So all women are god to men and they don't know how to really approach them. They don't see them just as another person. Uh and they want sex. You're not supposed to want anything because it'll control you too.

Mhm.

And so disease happened really bad because the courts are on the side of the woman. She can cry and just lie because you know when she's crying she's lying, right?

So

Yeah. Yeah. I know.

And she can easily cry and accuse the man and the court believe it.

Yeah.

And he loses everything. So

So how do men not fear women when they have that kind of power? you know,

um, they got to drop the anger.

They got to drop the anger for their mothers. And when you drop anger, you have no anger at all. You have no fear. And so, you don't think about what if. What if? What if?

Yeah. Like, what? Because that's kind of that's what you said I think the last time you came on my show where you said like

something about the future and the past.

It definitely does.

Yeah. How do you talk about Jim Crow?

We need that back for sure.

And it and do you see that there is no past or future or do you still believe it exists?

Um well it happened.

like the past it happened but there's not like a point in dwelling on it. Right. But when it happened, it happened then in that moment. And when that moment was done,

it exists no more except in the mind.

Right?

If the thoughts, if you were not into your thoughts, it's the thoughts that bring back the illusion of a past and you believe your thoughts are your own. So you react because you believe that what you're thinking are your own thoughts and you react. So you keep re reliving an illusion of the past. But it really doesn't. It's nowhere. There's nowhere for it except in the mind.

But then how do you talk about Jim Crow?

Because I remember Jim Crow.

But if it doesn't exist, sorry, I don't know.

Jim Crow. Jim Crow does not exist now.

Right. It doesn't.

Right. So in order for me to bring Jim Crow back, I have to reinvent it.

Okay. So you want to run for president.

Establish it.

And you want to run for president and bring it back.

Yes. At this rate, at this rate, people might rally for that.

I know. Yeah.

Yeah. What do you think about like the new trend of um black fatigue? Have you seen that online?

It's a mess.

Yeah.

Really? And it's going to get worse because blacks, the blacks have been made to believe that they're victims.

Yeah.

And they believe that they can just do what they want now. act any kind of way, say what they want, and you better not criticize them, especially if you're white.

Yeah.

And uh so they're out of control now. And especially the women.

the women are completely out of control because they have not been guided by the men, including their own fathers. They have not been guided by men at all.

And when you leave a woman to herself, she goes out of control.

Yeah.

So, yeah, black fatigue is a mess.

Yeah. So, I have to tell I've been wanting to tell you this story. So, I went to London and I had a 100% black staff and I lived in a really black area.

Oh, Lord.

What a man.

And I never really thought about race before that. Like that's what I was going to say when I came on your show like three years ago. You're asking me like race questions. I just never thought about it.

Right. And then I went there and I had like a few of them have this whole campaign that I was a colonizer.

really?

And I never I did not see it coming and it just reminded me of the show. It was like actually really I was so sad at the time because I thought we were friends.

No.

I know.

Nope.

And then Yeah.

How did you deal with it?

Um not well at the time. I like I was I was really sad, you know. Um but because I just had never in any It was weird because we were like talking the last time we saw each other like this and like imagine if you left and then you made like an hour video saying like, "Oh, Pearl's a like she's a colonial mindset."

I What?

Right. I know.

Um how did you end up in a You're so white. I mean, you're a white person.

Yeah. Well, I went to London and where I played volleyball and then it's kind of like the industry. I'd say there's more like black people in media. Oh,

okay.

And then it was also where I lived in London.

Oh, I see.

So, it was just it wasn't something I tried for. It just naturally like happened. You know what I mean?

You're like, "What the?"

Yeah.

And were you afraid?

Um, then? Yeah.

I bet.

Yeah, I was. Cuz I just Do you know what? never appreciated living by white people until I didn't live by white people anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right. So, are you willing to help me re when I become president, you are you willing to help me reestablish Jim Crow?

Well, how would you enforce that? Like, like, okay, pitch me on it. What's your plan? I would say to the whites, if you own your own business, you built it.

and it has no government funding, but you built it yourself. You have a right to say no to any customer that you want to say no to.

Okay?

And no one can force you to allow them into your cafe or into your apartments.

or into your anything if you don't want to.

Because that's the thing. Um, it's like white people won't even see race. Like we're not we're not raised racist. Like we're really not. But it's like black people will accuse you of it over and over and over again. And then at some point you're just like, "Okay, then why why do you keep coming back?"

That's right.

Yeah.

I um I know what you mean, but first let me ask. So will you re help me reestablish Jim Crow?

I don't know. We'll start with.

So you you're allowed to say no to any customer.

Any customer you want, no matter.

Okay, fine. I could agree with that. Fine.

So if black people want to come in, you can say no. They can't sue you. They can't pick at your neighbor your place. Even neighborhoods, if you have a white neighborhood,

Yeah.

and you don't want any blacks to live in your neighborhood, you can say no. They come and try to rent. No, I don't rent to blacks. You should be able to say that because it's your place.

Yeah.

You have the freedom to live and say and do what you want.

That's

okay. Yeah.

All right. You going to help me?

Well, how would I help you? I don't know. I'll vote for you.

Right. And then you'll work with me in my administration to help get rid of those old laws, those so-called discrimination laws, and bring back the free law. You put a woman in charge of something.

Well, you need a woman to run the office part, the desk.

So, I'll get coffee.

right? And when we have the meetings with all the men, you bring the water in and coffee and you set up the meeting. Yeah. And the muffin. You made the best muffin.

They going to love your muffin. And so, but I know what you mean. when I I went up to Gary, Indiana. I grew up in Alabama, but when I was in 11th grade, uh well, from the 10th to 11th grade, I went to Gary, Indiana.

to live and I I uh went to Edison High School and it was blacks and whites and everything, but they elected the uh first black mayor when I was there. So, they had the election on a Tuesday. And that very next morning, Wednesday morning, all hell broke out. The blacks were attacking the white kids at school.

They they will be walking down the hall and the white kid would have to move out of their way rather than them moving from the white. They were yelling, "Get out of my way."

And they were on the school bus. They were attacking the white people. It was so bad. And I had not seen that kind of violence in black people before. So coming from Alabama, I I I couldn't handle that. It was too violent for me. And cuz I didn't grow up with that. I didn't see that at all growing up. And I went to all black school and everything. And so I had a white friend at when I was there. And he and his family live right across from Edison High School. But we were really close. And cuz I got along better with whites than I did with blacks cuz I was afraid of black violence.

I had not experienced it. So I and in about a month or so his family picked up and just left. I never saw him again because they moved overnight out of the neighborhood because the black was so violent. So when you say white people are are not being raised to be uh racist and all that, I totally understand what you mean.

Yeah.

They're not taught that. Look, the blacks think that the whites.

they don't realize it's them and not someone else.

No.

And that's the problem.

So why do you think that is? Because when I was in London, I dealt with all different kinds of black people like where I lived. So there was like people from Africa, there was um black Londoners, there was black Americans cuz I played volleyball. So there a lot of them. Okay. Yeah. So, it was it was very like.

like I I could tell you specific like differences.

but it just seemed other than the ones like from Africa, the mindset was the same like when it comes to racism and that stuff. But the you know what's funny.

when that whole thing happened, the only ones that said that I wasn't like that were the ones strict like from Africa.

Yeah. Like they were like the one guy was like my grandma was col like under colonization like actually this is not bad.

That's right.

But even like in London a lot of like why why is it that even though it's like three thou like so far away that it's the same victim mindset? Why is that? Because in Africa, the the blacks who are in control there, they they have the same mindset that the blacks in here have, the ones that are in control.

government, mentality, the media, and all that.

Yeah.

And they want to maintain that leadership position.

Mhm.

And so they have to keep the blacks angry.

blaming somebody else for their situation so that the blacks will feel like they need the black leadership to help them in a situation.

So they have been taught and brainwashed to believe that the white man is against them. They can't make it because of racist which doesn't exist at all. And so they keep that going generation after generation. They brainwash the people by keeping them angry and frustrated. And when you're angry, you can't see. You don't know you're being controlled.

Yeah.

That's why they make you angry and emotional. You can't You have to be emotional in order to be controlled. But if you're not emotional, they cannot control you. So they keep the blacks angry and control. The leadership does that. They won't let you get along. They want you afraid. They want you angry. So they they have done that to the blacks for the last 70 years here.

and they have done it in Africa too.

That's why I tell the blacks they need to drop their anger so they can overcome emotions. And when you're not emotional you cannot it's impossible to be controlled.

And you say that people have to do that by forgiving their mothers.

They have they have to get to know themselves.

and they will see that their anger came from their mothers.

Yeah. They become like what they hate and they have the the same mindset that their mothers have. The boys and the girl. Uh they living their thoughts believing that they're their own.

and they the thoughts bring on the emotions. They think that they're the emotion their emotions.

And they become like what they hate. And if you notice the guys, all guys have the same attitude that a woman has.

They get angry. They overreact instead of being still and pointing the way by being an example.

They worry like women.

They just like their mother.

And the black men, they get angry just like a woman. They get they they gossip. They're revengeful. They don't point the way the men in the way that the men used to do.

um in the good old days when boys were boys and men were men. But they got to overcome their mother. Black men and women got to overcome their mothers. The problem is that it's not white people.

Yeah. I found out the craziest stat the other day. You know what percent of black men have been arrested by 25?

Huh? What?

Guess what percent?

Uh 80.

60.

Wow.

Isn't that crazy? I did not know it was that high.

It's not surprising though. I didn't know. I didn't think they still arrested the black men nowadays. I thought they only arrested white men. But I did not know it was that high though.

I didn't know it was that high either. That was according to Grock. So yeah, I didn't know it was that high.

That's amazing. But they need to know that it's not the problems are not outside of us. They're inside of us.

They're not outside at all. And when you get to know yourself, you will see that wow, I do resent my mother or grandmother and I do need to forgive. And the moment you see that, everything start to change about your life. You overcome fear.

You don't judge anymore because you understand. And that's the problem.

Yeah. Because it doesn't matter if the world's falling apart. If

let the world go to hell.

Yeah.

You know, I tell people all the time, let people go to hell.

and let them live in hell, but you are in control of your own world. You are your own world.

Isn't that amazing?

Yeah. So, what's it been like for you watching the downfall of this country? kind of going back to the original question because when you were a kid, I'm sure everyone had like what five to 10 kids around and now it's like there's no families.

I mean, there's neighborhoods, you know what I mean? Like

my my mother has had nine children.

Yeah.

And I'm the oldest, but nine children. I had a a she and her husband had like 15, 16, maybe 17 children, maybe more. uh another aunt, she and her husband had seven or eight kids. There was no such thing as like little fam. It was rare. You you can't find it, but it was rare. It were big family everywhere. So when I was growing up, I had a whole lot of family. Yeah.

You know, and then around me was other families, right?

And to not see that now is weird.

you know. Family is

It's weird to see. I saw a pregnant woman the other day and I I thought I haven't seen one in forever.

Right. Yeah. And uh so seeing my country change the way it has.

at first when I first started out 35 years ago in my work I I thought it was a state of emergency then I'm like things are bad. We got to get bond going my organization. We got to get help. I thought things was going to get better. I had no idea. I had no idea it it could get this way. But now I realize that my country is gone and it's not coming back.

Do you still think it's the best country on this side of heaven even today?

No.

Okay.

And because And the reason I That's a good question too. The reason is because of all the crazy laws they have now. the the the division between the people, the blacks and the whites and the Mexicans and all that. Uh uh the people who are running our country today are no good.

Yeah.

I mean just absolutely about self and not the people.

Uh when I moved to LA, do you know that you can change jobs every day if you want because there was so many jobs.

and you can just move up the ladder if you want. that's not around anymore. Uh I lived wherever I wanted to live and that's different now. So it's gone. And the people hate one another more so than any other time in the history of America.

That's been the weirdest part for me is just seeing it go from such a high trust society to so low trust. Because where I grew up,

it was very high trust. Like we didn't lock our doors. Sweden.

And maybe it wasn't like that everywhere in America, but specifically I don't know. I think you had Nick F on.

um, you know Nick Fuentes. Yes. Yeah. We're kind of from the same area. He kind of talks about it too where it was a very high trust like pocket of Chicago.

Yeah. I can honestly tell you when we would leave home we just closed the door. We didn't lock the door. We just closed the door. Nowadays, you have lots and chains and alarm systems and bars around windows and then you don't really trust the neighbor. I don't even know who my I know I see them some of them sometimes, but we don't really know who the neighbors are anymore cuz we don't trust them.

Two doors down from my parents' house, a black family moved in. And

what now?

You know what? I swear I never saw race until they made me see race.

Yes.

And I never I never cared. I never looked at it until they made me. And you know what happened? Two doors down there was literally someone got murdered.

in where I'm from. I mean, they died on the way to the hospital, but it was like a drug deal gone wrong.

Wow.

Yeah. And and they still live there.

Now you see why I want Jim Crow back. Because you can say no to that to the black when they come to the neighborhood. No, we're not going to rent to you.

You know what I think liberals and mostly women do? They want to control your like what you see with your eyes. Yes.

And so they put studies in front of you.

Yeah.

And that's why sometimes I hate doing debates in this industry because it's just people throwing studies at each other instead of like believing what they see with their eyes.

That's right. I don't I don't I don't care about those studies at all. Yeah.

I know what I see.

Yeah.

I know what I see happening. And you can't make me doubt what I see because those studies are just made up to fit whatever need they want.

to go the way they want it to go. It's not true.

Yeah. So, you think things are going to get worse?

Oh, yeah.

Do you think that's going to make the average person like listening to this kind of hopeless? Um, I hope it make them go and look within because for you as an adult individual, it doesn't have to get worse for you.

Yeah.

it could be.

That's what I say. Yeah.

Yeah. It could be worse for others around you. That's their world. That's what they want. But if you live from your own world, you could have perfect peace because this is hell on earth inside of human, right? And you could have perfect peace right here on earth in America or anywhere else if you live from within. and you won't be affected. The world cannot touch you if you're living from within. So it doesn't have to be bad for the individual, but it is going to get worse for the country.

What's perfect peace like?

Uh that's an amazing question. What uh perfect peace is not having to think about anything. Perfect peace is having no past and no future. Perfect peace is not judging anyone at all about anything. Never judging anyone. Perfect peace is neither for or against at all. You have no opinion either way. Perfect peace is living from within and having no ideas.

Sorry. So

having no anger or anything.

Don't you have opinions on things though?

No.

Why are you here?

Why am I here?

Okay. No, cuz you're here because of your opinion.

But my what I just

Would you say they're observations then?

Absolutely.

Yeah. Okay. That's how you Okay.

Because they're not my opin. I'm looking at what I see, right? And I can see the wrong in it.

but I also know that it's not the person that's doing it. Something else is working through them.

They just don't know that. Something else.

I hear you say that a lot. Does that mean you think it's like demons or something?

Not that I think. I know it is.

Okay. And so that's you think thoughts are from demons, right?

100%.

Yeah. And it's just like demons in your head.

They make a home in your mind.

Yeah. And then and they control you by making you causing you to become emotional.

Yeah.

And you the emotion that you feel you think is you you know the person think it's them right. And so they are identified with the emotion and they think they create their own thoughts.

But when you ask people what do you create your own thought? Yes. And so, okay, give me the first three steps of creating your own thoughts.

They're like, well, I guess they just come. So, if they just come, how are you creating them?

Yeah.

You know, and people think that they are creating the thoughts, but they're not.

And so, you're saying it's demons basically that make a home in you.

Yes.

That come from the the moms.

Yeah. Because the mothers are evil.

All the mothers are evil.

No, they are.

Yeah, they're really evil. It doesn't matter the color.

It doesn't matter the money they have or don't have where they live or it's the spirit of the woman. That's why Christ said.

that all who were born of the mother of the woman.

of the flesh must be born again of the spirit of the father.

And that's because of original sin, right? Because Eve, like, do you know what's crazy? In these churches, they'll say like, "It was Adam's fault. Eve took the apple."

Blame Adam for that.

I'm like, "What did he do? He was just chilling."

Right. He wasn't even around. Eve were out at the marketplace.

Yeah.

And she ran into Satan at the at the marketplace and he finally convinced her that she could be her own woman.

Yeah.

You know what? He don't listen to your husband. He's listening to his father. You can be your own woman. You can take off your bra. You can do whatever you want. You can kill the baby if you want it.

And she believed him.

Yeah.

And then Adam eventually believed Eve. And so the woman became the man's God. And that's why men got to forgive their mother so they can turn to the father.

Yeah. Because how can you say you fear God if you fear women?

That's right.

Like it.

and see that's what happens when you drop the anger by forgiving.

Yeah.

All fear disappear. And in God there is no fear. Zero. No emot. God is a dispassionate guy. He's not a passionate guy. Satan is a passionate God with a small G.

And so when you hear people saying, "Oh, I'm so passionate. I'm just passionate about what I do." Well, they'll tell you that they're evil.

You know, it's funny. I say that about myself.

I see.

But I'm a woman. So,

yeah, but you over But women can overcome evil too by forgiving their mothers. Yeah.

And returning to the fathers.

And they can overcome evil. They can have a life without being all emotional. They can be logical because they will have the mind of God.

Have you ever met one?

No. I know it's possible.

Are you sure?

But I meet women. I meet a whole bunch of women that are working on themselves to overcome that. Absolutely.

We have a at my organization, we have the men's forum every first Thursday night of the month.

and then the third Thursday night for ladies and those ladies are seeing what I'm saying and they do real and all races they do realize that they do resent their mothers.

Yeah.

And they some they go and forgive and they everything start to change for them. And so is perfect peace something that happens like overnight because or is it more of a gradual process?

It can happen overnight if you are not so identified with the false self.

Okay.

The problem is people are more they think that they're their thoughts and their emotions.

They think that they're something other than what they are and they are attached to that.

and it's hard for them to let that go. But if they could see it and just let it go, they could have perfect peace instantly.

And what is is the false self? Like the things you tell yourself about your like.

Yeah.

the demons tell you you are.

They tell you that you're no good.

Yeah.

Or they tell you that you are good. They tell you that you're poor.

Yeah. And then you identify with the stuff instead of just living in the now.

Yes.

Because it doesn't really It doesn't matter if you are bad. like you have to move forward, you know.

and and the point about that, I love that. The point about that, you are not bad.

Yeah.

Really, that there's not one human being who's ever done wrong.

It's always been that far self that's working through them that been doing wrong.

Yeah.

It was never them, but they thought it was them because the churches told them they were sinners.

You know what's funny? My dad when I talk to him that's how he thinks. Like I'll ask him like do you think you're this or that? He's like I just don't think about it.

That's right.

He's like who cares?

That's right.

To him he's just like just focus on fixing the problem. Like fix whatever it like he doesn't he just naturally like that's how he is.

Right on.

Yeah. He.

he reminds me of the way like Elon Musk thinks. I don't know. It's kind of It sounds crazy, but I always say I always say my dad's smarter. It's going to sound so crazy. I always say my dad's as smart as Trump and Elon Musk. It's just he had 10 kids, so he was busy.

I believe that. Absolutely. I totally believe that.

Yeah.

But you, the real you, have not, you're neither a sinner nor a saint.

You're neither right nor wrong. You're neither good nor evil. It's that false self in you, the ego self that's working through you.

Yeah, that's the other thing when people want to be right too bad, they kind of miss what's in front of them.

Absolutely.

You know what's one thing I miss? Why do we keep saying women are nurturing?

When we've when we've aborted an eighth of the world population.

aborting babies like now they're going north and they think that women are nurturing. They're not.

Well, if they have the kid, they're nurturing. And I'm like, do you have eyes? Like women are the most likely ones to abuse kids. It's not folly.

They are the ones who abuse them. Really, they are with their.

emotions. Yeah.

They try to force their will on the kids. They want you to be what they want you to be. If you don't, they're going to beat you or.

punish you in some kind of way. They uh.

Oh, can you talk more about that? Mothers imposing their will on the children.

Mothers have failed in their lives. They didn't do or become what they thought they wanted to become. So they try to live through the children.

And so they try to make you go to college. You got to go to college.

and you got to take nursing or you got to become a doctor or you got to become this. And then when you do what they want you to do, they brag about it. Is when they're bragging about it, they get a ego gratification though it's them.

and they think that the world going to see them through the children eyes. So they're living through the children uh uh by making the kids be what they want or they spoil you. They they give you whatever you want because so that they can you can love them or they want to think that you love them. It's not love but they spoil you in order to control you as well. So now you can't function in life. There are men who are 50 and 60 years old who are still living with mama because she spoil them and they're afraid to leave home.

Yeah.

They cannot function on their own. And so that's evil. That's what women some of the examples that they're doing to the children.

I think most women have kids for their reputation and not for the kids.

Never for the kids.

I've I think I've met one mother in my life that had kids and I thought actually put the kids before herself. I think I think I've met one maybe. I remember when I was growing up, I live with my grandmother and my grandfather, and they used to tell me, "Well, we got to you got to work. You got to learn how to take care of yourself."

Yeah.

And and and when you're 18 years old, you're out of here. And here I am on a plantation in Alabama. Like, where am I going? Where am I going? And they would literally tell me, I don't know. and I don't care, but you're out of here.

And lo and behold, when I turned 18, I finished high school. I went to Indiana, got me a job, and then moved to California on my own. And I never had to ask them for anything.

Yeah.

I went through hell from moving from Alabama to California and a lot of things I didn't know. So, I went through hell, but I never thought about going back home. I didn't complain. I just dealt with what I had to deal with because I was taught to be that way.

Yeah.

And even my grandmother, we all everybody kind of left Alabama. The kids laugh when they grow up.

And they wanted her to come to Indiana, go to Indiana, live. She like, "No, I don't want to go to Indiana. I'm sitting there. I don't want I don't want to be a problem to anyone." And then she got like really old because in those days you get really old, then you die. and they finally convinced her to come to Indiana and but she can live at her own apartment. That's the only way she agreed to come because she did not want to be a burden and she didn't want to be involved in somebody else's family. She just left the kids to their own became adult.

And I don't see that anymore. The mother want to move with you. She'll move. She'll hate West Hell, but if you move to West Hell, she'll want to come to in order to control you.

What a mess.

What a mess. Yeah. And it kind of delays growing up.

It does.

because you can't really be an adult when you're.

You're right. You literally got to as once you turn 18, 19, but 18 at best, you got to get out there and go through hell.

Yeah. You got to deal with issues of life and grow up. And they will make you grow up if you deal with them.

And most people don't do that anymore.

What do you say when the grandmas get sick and stuff?

Put her in a old home.

What do you think about when mothers say, um, I gave you everything.

right? And I'm like, okay, but I didn't make you a promise. I was going to take care of you. You know what I mean? It was like you were making I wasn't making a loan from you and the mothers do do that. I gave you everything. I gave you life and now you don't want to take care of me. It's not my fault that you didn't take care of yourself growing up.

You didn't prepare for old age, right?

But they make you feel guilty. And that's why they give you everything so they can control you. I gave you everything and now you're not going to take care of me. Even if a man is married and or the lady is married, they want to move in with your family.

Yeah.

And run the family, right? But it makes you feel guilty. But if you didn't have guilt, you just say, "No, I'm not going to do it." You can move into Opal's home.

No. And then the mother like they they get into all of your business. They they ruin your reputation. Like it Yeah. It never ends.

Your mother will destroy you if you don't do it her way.

Yeah.

She'll destroy She'll build an army against her own kids.

Yeah. And it's even worse because they have two personalities.

Yeah. That's right. And that's because the God above is the man's God and and the God below, the small G. Satan is the woman's God.

How do women react when you say that?

They're like, "What the you hate women?" Uh, no, I don't. I'm just telling you what the truth is, right?

Yeah.

So that those that want to overcome that, you can overcome. You're not stuck. You don't have to stay there with that.

But you got to admit that you're evil. And the last thing that a woman can well, she can do it if you wanted to. Women can will not some more now. They will not admit that they are evil.

They are evil and they won't admit it. And it's not them, but it's a spirit of evil that made a home in them.

Because Satan is the woman's God.

Why are men so much better?

Because the God above is their God.

Yeah.

And not the God below.

It sounds so crazy if someone doesn't understand what we're saying.

But like to me, it makes perfect sense because everything evil I see is from women pretty much. Like even the state of the country is kind of women's fault because they gave us more voting power. Absolutely. That's another thing I need you to help me with. When I become president, I'm going to overturn that.

Oh, yeah. The repeal the 19th.

Yes. It was a horrible mistake to allow women to vote.

Yeah.

Because they're so illogical and emotional. They're going to always vote for the wrong people. Always.

You know, I think sometimes saying illogical and emotional almost takes the onus off of us. It it makes it seem like we don't know what we're doing.

I don't think it's that. I think we're just um manipulative and selfish.

Because because it's like we voted in New York. We did for like I forgot the guy's name.

Yeah.

Because socialist he said free buses and grocery stores and we said woo.

Right.

But it's because we're a mother spirit.

Yeah. We're in all this debt. Yeah. Yeah. And we just keep moving to expensive areas and spending a bunch of money. And.

that's another thing I never ever ever in my life imagine that could happen. I never thought that in the United States of America that the voters would vote for socialist or communist or Allah aba communist too.

And I'm like these people hate Christians and Jews. Don't you know what you're doing? But they can't see. And so just say women cannot see. They don't they they they don't see what they're doing. They asleep and don't know it.

You know, they think what they're doing is right because they live in imagination.

but they literally cannot in all honesty, not anyone with anger cannot see what they're doing. Anger blinds you. Anger separate you from God and you cannot see what you're doing.

And so the women cannot see it. They really and and they're really they can't see because if they can see they would never vote for a socialist.

Yeah.

They would never destroy their own children. They would never turn their children away from the fathers if they were able to see.

Yeah. Or even abort their own kids.

Abort. Yeah. They would they wouldn't kill the baby in the womb.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

You're killing the man's children or child in your womb, in your own body. You know, they can't see what they're doing. They really can't see. Do you understand that they can't see.

what I mean when I say that?

I know what you mean. I can't say I fully agree with that. Okay, good.

Because I think that women are very manipulative. They are.

And women often use, "Oh, I didn't know I was brainwashed." as a get out of jail free card.

right? Um, so I think a lot of times they do know what they're doing.

and they do know what's wrong. Um, and I like I know

A woman that had three abortions, and every single time the dad would have stuck around.

Yeah. And I don't think she just wanted to party instead.

And I know women like that too. I counsel with women like that. Yeah. I counsel with women who have had so many abortions. I, I counsel with a woman who had her first abortion at 18, and by the time she was 24, she had like three or four of them, but she still couldn't see what she were doing. She thought they were her ideas.

How convenient.

Right. And, and I know what you mean when I said really, because they could see there's no way they would kill.

Yeah.

A child that they have nothing to do with inside the womb.

Yeah.

You can't do it when you can see what you're doing. It's only when you're angry and blind, but you think you're doing right.

Yeah.

And then you make up excuses for it. And so that's what they do. Like, I, I didn't know what I was doing. Somebody else brainwashed me. And they're right in that. They were brainwashed by outer source, too. But they were first brainwashed in their mind because they became like their mothers, and they have that anger.

What do you think of the pro-life movement?

Pro-life are the people who try to save children.

Yeah. Are they like, um, protest outside abortion clinics?

They are no different than the anti-life people.

Really?

No different.

Okay, go ahead.

Because you have two devils fighting.

Mhm.

One devil, pro-life, thinks that they're right. So they're judging the other devil, anti-life, thinking they're right, and they fight. Right.

Yeah. But those same pro-life people would turn against a man in support of the woman. Even when they know the woman is wrong, they'll turn against them. Those same pro-life people, they want to lead men in churches and government. And if the man says no, they, they'll do whatever they could to destroy that man to be in a leadership, leadership role. Those same pro-life people, they, uh, they don't fight for the man to be in leadership role. They fight for the women to be in leadership role instead of men. They just, they have the same spirit. They don't love men either.

They just have a better, a different title.

Yeah. And they always make the speakers the women that made like the worst choices ever.

Absolutely.

I had three abortions. So why are you talking?

That's right. What are you up there saying that for? Absolutely.

Like I did it. Do I get a microphone?

Right. That's right. You don't see pro-life people fight. For an example, they said men should not play in women's sports. You've heard that, right?

Oh, I think they should.

Yeah. Right.

Yeah. And so I ask them all the time, especially on the fall state, my TV show.

I ask men and women.

Should women, should men play a women's sport? No. No way. So I ask, why not? Well, because they are bigger, they're stronger, they are faster. I said, "Yeah, you're right."

Should women play a men's sport?

Yeah, that's fine. I like, why, why that's fine? Well, because women need opportunity, women need to play in men's world. So I said, well, the men that, when the women are playing in men's sport, it's the men are still bigger and stronger and faster. What's the difference? If they can play with, if you don't want them playing in women's sport because of that reason, it doesn't change when a woman playing a man's sport. But what happened is most people are afraid to tell women you shouldn't play a men's sport, but they're okay with telling women you can't play in men. I mean, men, you can't play.

I think women, I think men should play in women's sports.

Yeah, they could. They should. And they should. Was was good for the goose and good for the gender.

I, and when I was in London, I played volleyball there. And when I was there, um, there were trans people in our tournaments.

Yeah. And I was complaining, and the women yelled at me for complaining. So I said, "You know what?"

For every one woman that comes up

and says this is wrong,

there's probably 10 women supporting it.

Yeah.

So if you guys want to get beat up by men.

That's right.

Good luck.

Absolutely. Absolutely. So what do you think when they say that it's okay for women to play a men's sport, but men shouldn't play a women's sport? Why do you think one is okay, the other when they're both the same?

Yeah. Um, men, I have played in men's sports before, just like in, like I've done co-ed tournaments and stuff.

And the thing is, men can't fully play when you're there.

Yeah.

And that, like sometimes they'll make an exception, like they're, they're not, men are nice. So there are times when, like, I'll play with men, but if they're over a certain athleticism, I won't because I don't want to get hurt and I don't want to ruin the, like.

They're very nice for letting you in. Like.

They weaken themselves.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They can't. Yeah. They can't fully do it.

Right.

So especially at like a professional level. No, no, you should not take a guy's spot on any team.

That's right.

Um, occasionally I do do pickups, so I don't know. But.

What a sad way to live, huh?

Yeah.

That they have to weaken them and the men are so weak. They, they were.

And it's a lose-lose scenario. I said.

So I kind of messed around and found out with this the other day.

I was playing basketball and I set a screen on a guy.

And I went flying. I was okay though, but I felt kind of bad for him.

Cuz this was just like, this wasn't a team or anything. It was just like pickup, you know?

And I felt bad for him because all the guys were like, "Oh, you shouldn't have did that." And I told him, I'm like, "No, no, I'm okay. I'm okay." Like, because.

Yeah.

I, I knew it was kind of my fault. I shouldn't have been playing, you know? Right on.

And that's, and that's what you have to realize if you're going to play with them, like it's really nice of them to let you like be there. And really, over a certain athleticism, you're going to get hurt. Like I would not recommend that. Amazing.

Yeah. So like when you went and forgave your mother, did you start seeing things a little clearer or or did you see that before that?

Yeah, I saw some things clearer. Um, I don't know if I had this like super change in my personality. I know you said like you get perfect peace. I still get things, still annoy me. So I don't know.

I don't know.

Like, I don't know. The way you described it was like you'll feel completely different. I, I don't know if I had that. Um, but I did feel like a weight lifted off my shoulders. So, I did, I did have like a.

Like, I felt better, but things still annoy me, you know. I wouldn't say I have no anger.

If you stop thinking, you could not be annoyed anymore. But you got to stop thinking.

Why don't you stop thinking?

It's tough, you know. I just, I start thinking. What would happen if you stopped thinking?

It would probably be better.

It would be perfect.

Yeah.

It really would be perfect.

Yeah. No, I know. I've done the, um, the prayer that you guys. Yeah. But sometimes.

I just don't feel like doing it and then I don't.

For the beta.

I know. I'm just being honest.

Okay. Do you, why don't you just, you need the only time you need thinking is like to run your business.

Yeah.

You need practical thinking, right?

Yeah.

To run your business. God gave you the ability to think about running your business, how to make money, to put food on your table, how to pay your bills. But once that is done, you don't live by that. It's a tool.

Yeah.

And once you're done, at the end of the day, you put all this away and then you practice staying present. Know where you are at all times and what you're doing instead of in your head thinking about the past or the future. But if you can just see your hand going to the table for the salt or stirring the food or whatever, right? Just know where you are, it changes by itself.

Sometimes it's such a good tool though, cuz I'm really impatient and I feel like.

I feel like sometimes I get things done faster because I'm annoyed something's not done, but.

I just want to get it done. But you will, if you stayed away from thinking.

Yeah.

It'll be easy and you'll do it faster and you'll have time left.

You really will. But you got to practice staying present.

Yeah. How long have you had perfect peace?

For 35 years.

Really?

And, and I have so many challenges, situations.

But they're outside of me. They're not in me.

Okay. And so situations come, but you see how to deal with them outside of you, but you're not bothered inside about them at all. You don't even think about them.

Does that mean, because I think I've seen you say on your show, once you have perfect peace, you don't sin anymore.

Right.

And so you're saying you haven't sinned in 35 years.

What you realize is that you had never sinned anyway. It was never you.

I like this one.

Yeah.

I get a get out of jail free card for everything I've done.

But, but you have never done anything wrong. But you're saying it was the demons, right?

I promise you it was never you.

That's crazy.

The only when God said that we have to repent, the only, there's only thing we need to repent of, and repent means to admit that you're wrong. Anyone that has anger and resentment, they're judging. They're playing God.

They think they know right from wrong. So they're judging themselves or they think themselves, and they're judging others because they think they know right from wrong. But when you realize I'm angry and I can't help myself. I've been judging, then God will forgive you and he will take that away from you and, and he would draw you inwardly and you'll stop judging.

A human being thinks they know right and wrong. They don't. They have no clue of what right and wrong, and then based on what they've been taught right and wrong. Sometimes like the worst things happen in the name of being like doing something good.

Yeah. Right. Absolutely.

Yeah.

And so you have never done anything wrong your whole life.

Nice.

Really? But you don't believe it, huh?

No.

Sorry.

I don't know. Don't be sorry. I totally understand it. The real you. Who are you?

I like this idea though. So.

It's not even idea. It's reality.

Okay. Because it was the demons doing things wrong.

In you.

Yeah. But do you think.

And you're saying human beings are like perfect, but we have demons in us because we're made in the image of God. That's kind of the idea.

And Christ said, "It is done. It is finished. All of your sins have been wiped away. You are free." And so if Christ said all of your sins have been wiped away, that means you have none, right?

So why do you call yourself a sinner? You're only doing it because somebody else told you that you was a sinner.

Yeah.

Not because you came up with the idea yourself.

So do you think that no one goes to hell then? Do you not believe in hell?

Uh, there are anyone that has anger and living in their imagination, already in hell.

Saying this is so, if I get angry, then I'm in hell.

You're in hell. Well, but hell isn't so bad if.

If you get like really happy.

Because people that get really happy, they work hard to stay happy.

Yeah.

But because they, they are trying to prevent from becoming unhappy again. Yeah.

And then when you're unhappy, you, that work hard to become happy again. But if you had, if you only have peace and no happiness or sadness, you'll be free. Just think about having peace and no happiness or sadness. If there is no up, there cannot be a down.

I'll try it.

Yeah, that it kind of does. I don't know if I fully agree, but.

And why not? Can you have an up if you don't have a down?

No, I agree with that part that like the ups and downs is, it's better to be more stable. You know.

Is if there's no, right, could there be a wrong?

There's no right or wrong. Now.

If there's no right, could there be a wrong?

No.

Or if there's no wrong, could there be a right?

Are you saying like, it's kind of a waste of time to think about right and wrong?

It's all in the mind.

Okay. That's the thoughts that everything should be practical.

Absolutely.

Okay. Goes back to the practice.

A right and a wrong, and they drive you to make you try to be one way or another.

You said that God wants us to love him by choice.

Yes. Because forced love is not love. And you love God by realizing that you are not God. And you let go.

You let go and try to change yourself, your thoughts and your feelings or yourself at all. And you just let go and let him do it.

Yeah. Well, because it's kind of a waste of time to think about what you are, if you're good or bad, right? Like because.

Like what?

That's right.

My dad's kind of like, he naturally is just kind of that way.

Me and used to be that way.

Yeah. Cuz I would say like, what do you, do you think this person's good or bad? He's like, I don't think about it.

Right on.

He's like, I don't care.

You better follow your father.

What?

You better stay with your earthly father. He's right.

Oh yeah. My dad, he's so cool.

He's so right about that.

Yeah. It's cuz he's not crazy because he's not on social media. Yes.

It makes everyone's brains get scrambled.

Yeah. Uh, but I want you to know that you have not done anything wrong. And those, those uh excitement you get with annoy, being annoyed and all that kind of stuff, those are just thrills.

Yeah.

Those are ego thrills. And human being, angry people live off thrills.

Yeah.

That's why they try to hurt others and they laugh. They try to make you feel bad and they lie because they get a thrill. They call that thrill life. But they're really in hell.

Yeah. And you're saying they're demons in your head, basically. And the way to overcome them is to do the silent prayer, which is like watching them, basically.

That's all you need to do.

And then you just watch them until they go away.

And you first forgive your mother so God can forgive you for judging. Right. Playing God.

Yeah. Because when you forgive your mom, it's like you kind of, you see everything in a different light because your whole life she's.

Kind of putting her reputation as amazing and awes and like once you unsee that, then you, you kind of start to see other stuff too.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And just imagine what happens when you stay present rather than being in your head at all.

Yeah.

You see everything. You see everything. Mhm.

You will come to know what Christ knew and know you will come to know that too. But you got to stay present.

And so.

Eternal life is always present.

And so do you see that as heaven then? If once you overcome your thoughts, that's what heaven is like, that from your world.

Inside of you. When you overcome thought, you stay present with eternal life.

Is paradise.

And when you drop your body like that, you, you just stay in paradise. But if you drop your body in hell by being angry and judgmental and afraid, you're just stuck in hell and there's no way out.

So, you've never met a woman with perfect peace? How many men have you met with perfect peace?

None.

No, maybe two or three. I know a couple older men that I met that have perfect peace, but not young men because they got to overcome their mother's spirits and they don't know it yet.

Yeah.

Yeah. But those guys who hear the way you heard the message, they hear, they go and forgive. They started to give a little taste of perfect peace.

And then they started to, during the silent prayer and staying present and they.

And was this taught to you or did you just like observe it?

I asked God to let me because I was the same way. I, I was lost in my head.

I resented my mother. I used to be afraid of women. I, I was afraid to speak up for myself and all that. And I would go into different churches looking for the answer. They didn't have it. So, I finally asked God to let me see myself because I didn't know myself. I'm like, I don't really know myself.

And the Bible said to know yourself. And I asked him to let me see what's wrong with me. I'm doing everything the church says, but nothing is changing. And he allowed me to see that I resented my mother. And I didn't know I resented my mother. I felt emotion for my mother. I thought that was love, but that was hate. And I went shaking in my boots. And I was 38 at the time. And I was like, well, I'm afraid to go and forgive my mother. I was shaking and I went and did it anyway. And things changed. And so that's why I know I know what hell is like and I know what heaven is like.

Why do you think the churches don't have the answers nowadays?

Because they're intellectually lost. Intellectual people are blind.

And they learn the Bible and they work on the outer self, but they never do anything about the inner self. And they have not overcome their mothers and things, and they have the same fear that the congregation has. And they, and all they want is approval from the congregation to make them feel that they were important.

Do you know what I've noticed a lot of pastors, no offense, um, not you, but like, they're just guys that don't want to work a lot of the time.

Yeah.

Because they're like, "Oh, this is talking is easier than working."

Is a lazy way out.

Yeah. And what they'll do is they just have all the single women in church.

Yes.

And then they'll hook up with them.

That's where the money is, too.

The woman has the purse.

And the women, I, they'll like date ba, they'll basically even if they're not like actually dating them, they'll basically like treat the pastor like that's their husband.

Yes.

And then it's kind of like a lot of these churches, they're kind of just for single women that they don't know what to do with. Yeah.

You know.

It's all ego.

Yeah.

One stroking the other. What a mess, huh? A mess. But I want black people to know that white people are not their problem at all. It has nothing to do with racism. No such thing as racism. It has nothing to do. Racism doesn't even exist. It's a made-up word.

And nothing is good versus evil. Either you overcome evil and now you're with good, or you're just pure evil.

It has nothing to do with color. It has nothing to do with male or female. It's pure evil until you overcome evil. There's no such thing as racism, sexism, homophobism, uh, lesbianism, lesbian.

Because it's all hate. It's all hate.

It's all hate. That's all hate. And so it's just the same spirit.

Yes.

Which comes from the mother, which comes from Eve indirectly.

100%.

Yeah.

And then the world calls it racism because they, they want to control you with that.

For the money and the power. And they know you can never prove you're not a racist.

You know, you're never going to overcome that idea. So they, look, it was so, it's so bad that they started out calling it. They wanted affirmative action. M.

Remember when they had affirmative action?

And then affirmative action wasn't enough. They wanted reparations.

And then that wasn't enough. Now they call it DEI. It's never going to end because white people are afraid of the word racism. If white people didn't fall for that word, it'll be over already.

Yeah.

And if white people didn't have money, they wouldn't even accuse the white people. They just want the white people money and stuff. Why can white people be guilted more than other races?

Because I guess they've been taught in schools and places like that that they are to blame for slavery.

Or your ancestor did it. And because I remember before the, uh, DEI thing came along, white people used to say, "I feel so bad for the blacks.

I feel guilty. I feel responsible for slavery." Right?

And so they use white people that way. And so, and then if any white person says, "No, I'm not responsible for you." They'll destroy you.

Yeah.

They'll take away your baseball team, or they'll take away your money, and then you'll drag you down the road to as an example of what would happen to you if you say you're not racist. And when the other white people see another white person being destroyed, they are, they're afraid to speak up. It's like the Allah people do.

Yeah.

They cut your head off and then they drag you up and down the road so other people can see it and become intimidated.

Yeah. I can tell you it happened to me. It was.

I, I really didn't see it coming. I should have. I don't know how I didn't.

But I didn't see it coming.

But that's why white people have been intimidated.

Because they have seen what happened to other white people who.

Disagree.

Or if they speak up to the blacks.

Yeah.

It's intimidating. Well, it's tough. And it's also with the women's stuff, too. Um, especially women. Yeah. Because is it really for the average person? Like, we make money off of talking about this stuff, but if you don't, you're going to lose so much stuff if you speak your mind.

Yeah.

And a lot of people are just going to look at the chessboard and say, "This is not worth it."

But what they don't know though, if you don't have fear, you love what's right with all your heart, soul, and might.

Yeah. When one door closes, another one will open because God is with you.

And he's never going to let you go without. He'll take care of you. But you got to trust that in order to know that that works.

And so people get material stuff and that they make that their God and they don't want to lose it. And the world threatens you by taking something away from you.

Yeah. But if you only love what's right first with all your heart, soul, and might. If they, if they want to take stuff, okay, you could have it. That's fine. But you know, you're not going to lose anything.

Yeah.

But you can only love God. You can't love anything else before him. You got to love it true.

Even if you're married, whether you're married or woman, you're married, you got to love that the truth over your husband or your wife. The wife got to love what's right more than she does her own husband. And the husband got to love what's right over the over the wife or the children or anything. And if they want to go out of your life, you're like, "Oh, okay. Bye. See you later." Because your love is coming from above, not from someone else. And so they want to come and go. That's on them.

Oh yeah. You do counseling.

I counsel with men and women around the world.

Why are marriages such hell on earth? Have you ever seen a happy marriage? No.

You know, I have the same. I've seen one. It's the same woman. I said the only one that loves her kids.

Yeah.

I've seen one.

I'm sure I saw some in the good old day way back when. One or two. But no, because men and women pick the person that they, their own choice, they think they decide who they want to marry. Yeah.

And you would always pick the wrong person. But if you let it happen naturally.

It can't go wrong because the truth is only going to give you the person that a marriage will last until death of your part.

Because you're not trying to make it happen. It came naturally. But when you pick someone yourself, you're going to always pick the wrong person. It's impossible.

Does that mean the right one?

Are you anti-dating apps? You don't think?

Yeah.

I can't even. You got to be beta. You got. I think I think dating apps. I think dating apps are good.

Apps are for cowards.

Let me, let me give you my two cents as to why. Okay.

Because Gen Z is so antisocial. So a lot of the only, like a lot of the really attractive women that are young, like they're on either Instagram or dating apps. So we're gonna like, you got to drop that and get out there and face it. Overcome the fear. Deal with women. Women need to deal with men in the right way.

Yeah. Well, a dating app, you hide behind a dating app and you would always pick the wrong person.

Well, yeah.

We're going to do that anyway, though.

That's right. I know. D people put on whatever showcase personality they want you to see.

Yeah. But people do that anyway.

Right? But dating app is not happen. It's not helping.

No. Well, it's not helping, but I just think it's kind of the way the world is now.

I know, but it's making it worse, though. I know, but it's very difficult for the young people to like, like I asked my youngest sister. I said, "If you didn't have like this social media, do you think you'd have any social life? Like, would you be included in this stuff?" And she just said no. So, I think it's difficult because a lot of, like, everything's just kind of online.

But she would have a life because she would get out naturally and make a life.

Yeah.

She would have a life. She just doesn't believe that because social media is out there now and everybody doing it.

Yeah.

But when you don't, you will get up and do what you need to do if you don't have anything else.

Yeah. I, uh, I know men who, there was this black woman in Virginia in this last election, uh, conservative woman, Christian conservative woman. No.

Such thing.

Running against a liberal woman for for governor or something like that. Do you know about that?

No.

There's a black conservative woman.

And a liberal white woman. They were running.

Yeah. And the black guys were voting for the conservative woman.

Okay.

Over the liberal.

And I'm like, "So, do you believe that women should be a leadership role?" No. They say. I said, "So why you voting for this conservative woman then?" Well, they like, "Well, we don't vote for them. Then a liberal got to win, and then the liberals are worse than the conservative woman." I'm like, "No, man.

They're the same. That, don't vote for them and they will see that you're not going to vote for women, and eventually a man will step up. You can vote for that man. But if you keep voting for the woman with this excuse where I'm vote for the woman because of this reason, you're going to always get more women in leadership role.

Yeah.

They don't know that if you don't vote for her, eventually a man would come from somewhere and run. Well, that's the one thing I disagree with Trump on is he just has so many women in positions of power.

And I'm like, what? Why? Like, doesn't he have, I forgot what Christy Noam her title is, but.

I'm just like, why do you keep appointing these women to be in charge of men? It's just weird to watch, you know?

I love the great white hope. I think you're doing an amazing job, but I don't agree with all these women in leadership role.

Yeah.

And then when I, the one that brought her baby to work.

Yeah. Why? Go ahead.

Yeah. And so I call him the great white hope for those who don't know. And some people call him amazing. What manner of man is this? The wind and the sea obeys him. Some people call him king.

And they have these kings rallies around the country and around the world for him. Some people call him daddy, but I call him the great white hope. The great white hope. But I do disagree with the fact that he put all these women in leadership role.

Yeah.

And so I'm thinking, I was wondering, maybe he doesn't wish to know in school, but I think maybe he does it because so many women vote now.

And it helped him to get in.

Yeah. And at least, even though I still women were not created to lead, at least they're under leadership of a man.

Yeah.

It's not like they have another woman as president leading them, right?

So at least they got a man, strong man in that way that's leading them.

Well, because women will always say men need to step up, but then don't women need to step down?

Right?

Wouldn't it require you?

They have to step away. Yeah.

Yeah. But they like men don't do it. Women to do it. Like God use women. I'm like, "No, he doesn't. He doesn't use women just because men are weak. He let you suffer until you wake up."

And it's crazy cuz they'll, they'll put on their social media that they're doing it all. Yeah.

And I'm like, how is this any different than the left? It's the same thing.

It's the same thing.

You don't have like, if you don't have kids, it's one thing. But who's watching the kids?

That's always my question. You are the only woman that I can remember that said that it's the same thing. There's no difference. Yeah.

Most women are afraid to say that.

No. All women are feminists. All because when it comes down to it, if her back's against the wall,

she's always going to. We will always pick feminism. Always. Absolutely.

Always. If it comes down to it.

What a man.

Like, um, that's why I think conservative women, um, because I've interviewed a lot of guys that were victims of divorce rape, right? And I found that they're worse than liberal women in divorce court because they have to pretend they were abused because the liberal woman can just say I'm a.

Yeah, that's right. I'm a.

What a.

But it's the conservative women that have to say I was abused and like they'll drag you to court. They'll like, oh my god, they're.

A conservative woman will cut your throat quicker than a liberal woman.

Yeah.

Really? I'm telling you, I know so many cases where this has happened. So many.

Christian conservative women are nasty. They are worthy to live on.

I mean, do you saw what they did? Did you see what they did to Steven Crowder?

No.

So, when Crowder got divorced, there was, um, a clip of him leaked to the press and it was of him basically. It's like a long story, but he was, it was a, it was a fight, right? But it was very obviously set up like by her where she was like, "Oh, stop this abuse." You know, like one of you've seen him.

Yeah.

And long story short, the woman that broke the story was Candace Owens.

Who I. Yeah. She was the one.

What the.

I know. I know. And I'm like.

You're just, when it, when it came down to it, when your friend needed like to divorce her husband and save her reputation, and there was never an apology or retraction because it came out that he wasn't abusive, but all of the press reported that Crowder was abusive.

When anyone that's worked with him knows he's such a nice guy, you know?

I noticed that they never come back and say, you know what? I was wrong.

Yeah.

I, I was just wrong. I'm sorry. I was stupid. They never come back and positive. They just move on to the next person.

Yeah.

Ain't that amazing?

And all the conservative women jumped on that like that label themselves as conservative.

That's why I tell you that the conservative women are as bad.

Worse.

Or worse than everyone.

I would say worse.

Because they hide behind God and conservatism and the kids.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

What a mess.

Yeah. Okay. So, they want me to ask you about the civil war on the right. Have, have you seen, um, the debate between Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro?

I have not seen it, but I've heard about it.

Okay. What are your thoughts on it?

Uh, again, I've not seen it.

Okay.

But I heard about it and it just sounds like two devils fighting. I don't know. I don't know. Because apparently they fight, they'll fight it over this juice stuff, right?

Yeah. They have different opinions on Israel. Yeah.

Nick is more pro-Palestine. Um, Ben's obviously more pro-Israel, but Ben is mad that people are letting Nick on his shows on their shows and believes that he needs to have a more like adversarial interview.

But why is he mad about that instead of just them do what they want to do? He doesn't have to agree with that. But why would he be mad? I wish I had seen. I have not seen it. I have been hearing about it,

but I'm not seeing it, so I really don't know.

Yeah.

What do you think about it?

Um, Ben just seems to be afraid of Nick for whatever reason. Um, because I, that was what caused the whole colonizer thing was when I had Nick Fuentes on my show.

Oh.

And then they said, "Oh, she had this evil guy on." And my experience with with Nick was he was really nice. Like I, I, I thought he was a really nice guy. I maybe not all of his ideas I agreed with, but I thought they made sense. I didn't think he was hateful. Like that was my honest opinion of him.

That's my opinion on him, too.

Yeah. I, I've interviewed him several times, too. A couple times at least.

Um.

And I have a lot of respect for him.

Yeah.

And, and then I remember when I first interviewed him, and he was so young, but yet he was so bright, you know, smart.

And he wasn't afraid to speak up. I used to think, "Wow, this is who we need for the president. We need a guy like a lot of people say that for president because he's not afraid whether you agree with him or not.

He's not afraid, and we need more of that.

I liked that he could tell me why he thought what he thought.

Yes.

Um, so I just don't know enough about the history of that part of the world to really have an opinion one way or the other. There's some things that are just out of my scope. But I feel a bit slighted because I used to subscribe to the Daily Wire and like pay for their stuff, and they're a free speech platform.

Oh, yeah.

And I just don't understand. I understand they have the right to do what they want, but this is your issue that you followed for so long. Why aren't you debating the top guy?

They let you debate anyone that's okay. Let's debate it. That's what free speech is all about. I don't have to agree with you, but at least let's sit down and talk about it.

Yeah. Um, and he just keeps going on all these shows trying to cancel Tucker because Tucker had Nick on, and Ben didn't feel like it was, like it was too nice of an interview, I guess.

So.

So they want to. Is there.

Anything I missed about that? He knows all the.

They want to get rid of Tucker because he interviewed Nick. Why they want.

Get rid of him, but he was criticizing him,

right? But why would they criticize that man for having whoever he want on his show? It's free speech.

That's.

Conservatives don't believe in free speech.

No, they don't.

Really? They don't.

They don't. I know. Cuz when I had Nick on that, everybody was messaging me to not have him on. Yeah.

Do you know what's funny? I had him on to talk about, um, dating, like, cuz he's against interracial dating. So, I had him on to talk about it.

Nice.

And then I got pulled into the whole like Gaza-Palestine. Like I just was curious, so I was asking him about it, and that's when it went downhill.

What a mess.

I know. I, uh, I found out that conservatives don't believe in free speech. No, they don't.

They only believe in it when you are saying what they agree with, what they want to hear. Right. And the way I found out is that I used to do a lot of TV shows and things like that, Fox News and.

Yeah, you did.

And CNN and BET, and I was just everywhere.

But once I started talking about.

The truth about women.

That's so true. It changed. They don't. They, uh, they don't want you understanding these things about women.

And, and then there are certain things that they didn't want you understanding about blacks.

Yeah.

And so they discriminate against me because they disagree with me on this, but yet they pretend that they are free speech people. They're not.

And they put on these ex-porn stars who converted like yesterday to like be preachers. Have you seen that?

No. There's like girls that stopped their OnlyFans five minutes ago and now they're like, "I'm a preacher and I believe in God." And I'm like.

Even I know you had her on. I think you liked her, but it kind of rubbed me the wrong way when Amber Rose was speaking at the convention.

Oh, yeah.

Because I thought, there's so many men that didn't make her choices.

Yeah.

Like, why are they giving her this like honor.

When you like stopped doing OnlyFans at like 40? You know what I mean? Like.

Yeah. I interviewed Amaro when she was a. [Laughter]

You can't unbecome a.

And then years later, something changed and she was no longer a.

And so I had her back on to find out why she wasn't a anymore. And apparently.

Her relationship with her father and her changed.

Yeah.

They became close. So it made a difference in her life.

Yeah. And so that's why I'm, I'm okay with that because once you return to your father, you're supposed to have a better life because now you love your father.

Because what people are looking for, all people are looking for is the love of a father.

Yeah.

And so she, you know, the second interview or the recent one I did with her, it, it was because of relationship with her father.

Yeah. I think I'm too black-pilled because a lot of women say these things, but they just lie. You know what I mean? So it's like.

But I think once you should have her on.

I would actually. Yeah, I would.

Because I think once you discuss this with, you got to see the change that happened because she was with her mother beforehand when she was a.

You know.

She did the march.

No, all I'm saying it's like, it's just always convenient when they like, they always make all the money and then magically convert.

Yeah.

So they never like convert when they're making the money. So it's always like, and then they never return the money.

Yeah.

So I know what you mean by that.

Yeah. So I'm always like.

I would love to see you interview Amaro.

Really?

That would be interesting.

Especially you have the ability to just be honest. You know, you don't tend to hold back.

And I think you will appreciate the change in her from what I can tell.

I'm going to show you.

No one ever knows.

I'm going to show you a video I want you to react to. So.

No one ever knows. But, but that's interesting with the Nick and the Tucker and other people. I have not been watching any of it, so I don't know.

Um, the Heritage Foundation basically came out in support of Nick or no Tucker for having Nick on in the name of free speech, and they lost all their sponsors.

Whoa.

Yeah. So, isn't that crazy?

That's insane.

And it's so crazy because there's so many people like Nick's not doing anything illegal. He's just saying his opinion.

And he has a right to do that. If you don't want to agree with it, you have a right not to agree. But at least he, especially the right supposed to be a free speech oriented people. You know, we're supposed to, we're supposed to believe in free speech more than the left.

Yeah.

But it's just not true.

I know. No, cuz I was early. Now people can have them on the show. I, how did you not lose everything when you have, you had on before me?

I know. I even spoke at.

I spoke at his his conference before where Christ is king. I spoke at a conference. I don't know. I just never thought about losing anything. I guess that's what it is.

Oh my gosh. Okay.

Plus, I don't really, I don't know what tomorrow going to bring, but I truly love what's right more than anything. I love the truth.

Yeah.

And, and I have, I don't think about what I have or don't have or what I'm gonna lose or don't lose because my, my, my life now is about what's right.

Yeah.

And so I may be losing stuff and don't even know it. I may be losing people and don't even realize because I'm not hungry. I still have a roof on my head.

Yeah.

And I don't think about how much money I got to have or don't have or people who like me or don't like me. It's just not part of my thinking. So, I'm sure there are people who are like protesting or yes, or.

Unfriended me or whatever, but.

And you just don't notice.

I don't even know about it, nor do I think about it.

All right. Have you heard of the hierarchy of whoredom?

Hierarchy of what?

Okay.

Ho is someone that does it for attention. What up, guys? Welcome to the Just Pearly Things YouTube channel and welcome to my whiteboard videos. Today I am going to go over the hierarchy of boredom. Before I start, don't forget to subscribe to the channel and ring that notification bell. That way you're going to be notified of my daily videos. So this last week I decided that I wanted to know more about hoes, nice ladies, and oh, I forgot to add one. Sorry guys. Ladies.

And wifey material. So this week we did a show where we really wanted to define the terms because a lot of men out there cannot define what's a what's a what's a whole lot of the women. It's like, what is this? And I'd like to tell you guys, in 2023, if we go by a historical point of view, 95% of women would be. However, we are in 2023. So we got to adapt to the times. So I, I surveyed some men to see what they thought.

The definition that we came up with was a is someone that has sex for money or does things for money. A is someone who does it for sex. And a hoe is someone that does it for attention. So we went through some scenarios as a class. A is an OnlyFans worker, a stripper, a hooker, or an escort. I think I spelled escort wrong, but never mind that. A is a woman cheats on her boyfriend, one-night stands because what's she doing it for?

Next, we have a hoe. Now, this is a girl ass picks on the gram. Okay. Or 15 plus bodies. No. Okay, guys, there's been a lot of dispute. Some guys are saying no, it's way less than that. I, I just asked the people. I just, I just report the news here. Let me know if there's anything else we should add to the top three. But that's what we got for now.

So then we have a lady. So a lady can have roughly five to 14 bodies. Okay? But she cannot have gotten these through one-night stands. So no one-night stands. You can only have gotten the bodies. You maybe you got ghosted, took an L, but you could still be a lady. You have five to 14 bodies. Now let's define a nice lady. Zero to five bodies is a nice lady. And wifey is a virgin is wife material.

So now that we have some definitions, what I wanted to do was I wanted to make a hierarchy of whoredom. Now, I'm just repeating back to you what the markets don't shoot the messenger. Okay, ladies. All right. So here we have the least desirable. Here we have the most desirable and most rare. So what is going to go on the least desirable level in terms of sluttiness? This is the hierarchy of whoredom. All right.

So, at the bottom, we have hookers. Now, there's many names for these ladies. Hookers, um, escort, escorts, um, street walkers, night walkers, but at the end of the day, they're selling for money. We have porn stars now because they're not just straight selling sex. They have less partners. But porn stars are above hookers. OnlyFans, ladies. You're not at the bottom, but you're not far from it. You're just above hookers. Porn stars, then OnlyFans.

Next, we have strippers. Now, a stripper can go on to live a normal life because there's no. Maybe she didn't sell sex for money. I mean, we all know what goes on in the strip clubs, but maybe she just stripped. So then, now this is the most disputed one. I asked the men, "What's worse? Would you rather take a single mother or a woman with a high body count?" Now, we all know that there's single mothers with high body counts. Like, we all know, but I, I said you have to pick one. And the men picked, drum roll please, high body count. If you sleep with too many people, you are barely better than a stripper.

Now, what number this is, is very disputed across the board. Um, I, I've heard numbers like around 25 it switches. They'd rather take a single mom. I've had some guys say 10. I've had some guys say 30. I don't know when it switches exactly for men, but let's just say somewhere between 15 to 30, they'll take the kid over the bodies. Don't shoot the messenger.

Now, remember, if you have both, you're lower. But if you just have a kid and not the body count, you're slightly above the hoes, but not by much. I mean, hoes. These are hoes. Baby, baby. The hoes and the. And remember, level of ladies are mid body count. So again, I've had some dispute, but what I've gotten is like five to like 15 roughly. Men will take that over the kid, but it switches around there. Then we have low body count, which nowadays is like under 10, under five. Again, please don't shoot the messenger. I'm just repeating back what I've been told. And at the top, virgins. This is the hierarchy of whoredom from least. Um, let me know if there's anything I forgot, guys. You know, I love giving these lessons to you. Let me know. What did you think? What a breakdown. What did you think? Did you think it was accurate? It is. It totally is. But in the good old days where boys were boys and men were men, any woman that had sex out of wedlock was a. And then when they got paid for it, they were prostitutes. And but now there are no virgins. Mhm. Nobody's a virgin. There are no virgins. So they're all sluts. Mhm. And so but I love the breakdown you did. I've not seen no one break it down like that. I like, I like to define things. Yeah, I see. But uh, but it was just so where you can know where you're at on the chart. Yeah, I love the breakdown. I'll tell you what, the OnlyFans girls have been moving up though. But they haven't. Yeah. Because, um, I think the men don't care as much about the nudes over sleeping with a bunch of like, they're starting to say, "You know what? If I have to pick nudes over a woman that's just been in the club for 10 years, I might pick the nude." I've noticed they've become more normal for men to date OnlyFans girls. And so, only, OnlyFans girls, they don't sleep around with a bunch of guys. Well, okay. Do you know, do you know, do you know alpha and beta like alpha beta bucks? Right? So I think the way some men are going to see it, this is just a school of thought, is that yeah, the beta bucks can like see the girl, but they can't be with her. I get to be with her. You know, I'm, I'm the guy that's like digging out the guts or whatever. You know. They get to. Yeah. But so I've just noticed an increase and like they've seemed to kind of like worked their way up where like I've noticed like people are actually dating girls that used to have OnlyFans, especially if they can kind of wipe it from the internet. Like, I mean, you had, um, the Ro, the Amber Rose on your show, like she, I think she had an OnlyFans, right? I don't know. Yeah. But I'm saying like, she still had like had a long-term relationship after with a kid. Yeah. Guys will, whatever. I didn't until right now, I've not seen the breakdown like that. I've just always thought of any woman that got paid for sex, whether it's online or or OnlyFans, but they all just. Yeah. That's why they get paid. A get paid whether they're online or on the street. And so I never thought of, I never thought of the breakdown the way, you know. I just figured women who get paid are even those who are online, uh, dancing nude or whatever they do. I've not even watched it online. But I didn't know that they were different. Yeah, 'cause now you can be a porn star out of the comfort of your own home. But is that still a right? Or slide, whatever. I mean, I would say so. Yeah. But, um, it's there's a hierarchy, right? Because again, the men, they don't really have much to choose from now. They don't. So they're kind of like, "This is what I have. I have to deal with what the market." It's kind of like if you go to a restaurant. Yeah. And you keep saying, "I want steak." And they're like, "We're out of steak." Yeah. That's right. They're like, "Okay, I guess I'll take chicken." Well, we only have really old, used chicken. Take that, huh? You know, you make such a good point though, because I noticed that more and more men now are marrying women with children already. Yeah. Or hooking up with women with children, living with them. And in the good old days, rarely did you see a man married. You do see him sometimes, but married or hooking up with a woman already have children. It almost seemed like men just accept anything now. Yeah. Well, they'll take a kid over being fat. Right? And now, you know, if you're less than 25% body fat as a woman, you know what percent of women are that thin? What? 2%. Really? Yeah. What? Now? Average woman has like $35,000 of college debt. A third of women have an STD. A third of women have had an abortion. Wow. Yeah. So, it's like, what, you know, men get amazing. Yeah. And the other thing is what I should have, I think my next hierarchy is going to be, um, evidence-based. Yeah. That'll be good. Because, you know, if a woman sleeps around and lies, there's really not consequences for her, right? Because there's always men that are dumb. Yeah. Like, there, have you seen that, um, video going viral of the guy, like the comedian? He said his wife was a virgin, and then she went on a podcast and said she used to pop that. Pop her. Oh god. So she, she met him and she was like, "Yeah, I'm a virgin." He's like, "Great." And they got married. I've never seen that before. Women told men they were virgins. They found out later it wasn't. He's a virgin. How would he know? Right. Absolutely. Uh, there are no more virgins, right? Well, virgin. Well, they are. They have to be like, I think if they're 12, maybe 10, maybe nine. Well, then they go see Leonardo DiCaprio or the version of that. And they're not anymore. I don't even think there are virgins anymore. Yeah. Well, they all start that way, right? When they're first born. Yeah. But by nowadays though, by the time they're five, they're no longer virgin birth. Oh my god. I don't think it's that young. But how young is it? 10. Um, I think on average it's 16, but women lie. So we'll say 15. Right? 15. Yeah. How do you know? Because women lie. I know. You don't really know. Absolutely. Um, but I haven't seen or heard of a virgin in so long. I forgot they exist. I know. That's why the Christian men get bamboozled though. Yeah. Because like, they're kind of targets because they want to wait till marriage, but none of the women do, right? So then they get into a relationship and the woman can just run circles around him. I've seen that a lot, too. Yeah. And that's the, the challenge. All in the name. Yeah. And they're like, kind of like now they have to pay a higher price for what another guy got for free. What a mess, huh? Yeah. I remember when men didn't even want a woman who had already had sex with another man. And you would know that she was spoiled already. And then now you're going in there after some other guy or guys have been in there messing it up already. Yeah. And it was so unusual that men would marry like that. But that's gone too. What a mess, huh? I want my country back. I think they were though then too. There was just no evidence. I'm about to say they probably didn't tell. That's right. Cuz the again, the girls that got married. Yeah. The girls that got married in the 50s had the highest divorce rate in the 70s. But what I've noticed is the the hoe phases just get extended now. It's like a decade where they had to be done. Like my grandma got married by 18 or 19. So if she did, I don't know if she did, but I'm saying if she did, it would have been done. Yeah, that's right. You're right about that because they did get married earlier, too. 15, 16, 17, 18 years. I have, I have a relative that's about your age and she says they're all lying. She's like, we would just go to the bar. I believe that. I totally believe it. I totally believe it. What a me. I love that breakdown. So, how do women roll their eyes at you when they see you? They're like, "What the." Well, they just get mad. I bet. Yeah. They're just like, and I'm like, "It's okay. You can be a nice hoe. I would actually take that over a lot of the conservative women." That's right. "At least you're honest and upfront." Yeah. Have you interviewed a bunch of hoes? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did they get mad? No. Like, that's the thing. When I interviewed, um, all the women, I found that a lot of times the more conservative ones were worse for the reasons I said before because they're too wrapped up in their reputation. Where a lot of times they're too. They're just liars, right? Where the other, where a lot of the OnlyFans, like workers, they're like, "I am a." At least the men know what they're buying. Right? That's right. What a mess. Because at least, you know, if they buy a, they know that she's like a used car and it's a low price. That's right. But the problem is you get these used cars with brand new prices, and that's when the men get annoyed. Yeah. What a man. Well, thanks so much for coming on today. I really appreciate it and I really appreciate the courage you have in dealing with especially with the women issues and being so honest about it because you just don't find women today who will be that honest about other women, whether they're conservative or liberal. They're not going to be this honest. So keep it up. Thanks. You too for being honest with, um, the blacks. What's wrong with the blacks? Um, okay. Where can the people find you if they want to support you? They can go to jesselputerson.com or rebuilddemand.com. Jesselperson.com or rebuildingaman.com or thefallenstate.tv. F a len, thefallenstate.tv. Okay. Guys, make sure you go support them. Um, as YouTubers that talk about this stuff, we're always facing demonetization. [Music] So, the more you can give him support, the better. 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