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>> YO, WORLDWIDE, >> WORLDWIDE, WIDE, WIDE, WIDE, BRO. Globally killing it. What's good? [ __ ] Everything good, man. >> Happy Monday. >> Happy Monday. >> All right, let's get it out there. Time change. Did it [ __ ] with you at all? Because it did with me a little bit. >> Yes, very much so. I've been awake since 2:30. Took a little nap. Uh, got a bunch of [ __ ] done today. But, uh, you know, >> here we are. >> We are creatures of habit, man. And, uh, it takes a few days to really get used to the the different time. Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah. Just one little nudge in our schedule kind of throws us off a little bit, but >> we adapt. Speaking of that, man, this is going to be the last Monday night we do six o'clock Pacific Standard Time. We are going to be moving to six six o'clock Eastern Standard Time, which would probably going to feel a lot better for you. I feel like, [laughter] dude, I'm not going to lie, man. Anytime I go visit you or go to the East Coast and I do a show, it hits me. I'm like, "Oh my god, bro." like we get done, it's 11:00 at night. I'm like, what is happening, dude? So, either way, I'm sure you're going to like the adjustment and I'm sure other people out there who come on the show will appreciate the adjustment. >> I mean, you know, it's all good. We do, >> you know, but yeah, it's going to be it's going to be cool for me. I'll tell you that for sure.

Let's get to one of tonight's sponsors, the Reptile Super Show. But before we do, how excited are you, man? Let's kind of let people know what's about to go down January 10th and 11th. Who will be there in attendance? My dog right here. How excited are you, bro? >> Yeah, I'm very much excited. Uh, you know, it's going to be me and you, uh, Stephen. Uh, Morph Market. >> Market. Yep. >> Gonna be nice, man. I'm really, really excited. I love Cali. This show is it's exactly what the what the title says. It's the reptile super show. >> Yeah. >> It lives up to the billing 100%. 150%. >> Definitely, man. If we talk about not only the amount of vendors, but the foot traffic, it's going to be a great time. January 10th and 11th, Pomona Fairlex, please go to reptilesupersow.com where your tickets and you can get information on hotels and all that. And definitely follow them on uh follow them on uh Instagram. man. But yeah, man. I'm definitely excited to finally see you again uh here vending because if it's one thing that inspires me to want to be a part of the vending community is watching how you get down behind the booth, bro. It's [ __ ] You're really passionate about this [ __ ] bro. >> I mean, I love it. It's It's part of my background. Uh and uh Lette's really good at it, too. So, we team up and and uh we make it happen, bro. And all we all we need uh from our show organizers is people through the door. And let me tell you, Rammy >> Yeah. >> He does just that. So, you know, and then people want to come up to that trap booth, bro. That trap trap booth is fire. So, >> dog, I'm going to be I'm literally going to be part of So, because Morph Market has a huge center uh area now at the show, then being uh a main sponsor now, the Reptile Super Show, which is really awesome. So, shout out to Morph Market. Uh, but yeah, we'll be there, bro. We're going to be there smack center of all the action. Um, and again, I cannot wait cuz Southern Cali has some of the best breeders in the hobby, bro. And a lot of them are going to be vending. And what's cool is we even got some coming from different parts of the [ __ ] country all the way from the East Coast, man. And what's cool is like you're not the only one, right? I mean, you have like a crew of you that come from Florida that I know of, right? Is Alvo coming? >> Is Alvo? >> Alvo is not coming this time, but in the future he will be. We got um Elyn Firehogs. >> Respect. >> Um I I've heard of quite a few people going. Um um this guy with the tiki tickies is is probably going to be there. Uh quite a few people. Yeah. [gasps] >> Well, I'm excited. And again, just want to remind you guys out there, seven days a week, brand new episodes out of the network. So don't forget, rate, review, subscribe everywhere you listen to. Um, want to also mention tonight's uh, one of tonight's sponsors, bringing Devin and Terza over at Prague Morphs. 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That's that should be on a shirt. [laughter] Hey, Seaman, bro. Sean, s M an Son out of South Korea. What you know about Finest Python? Did you Did you look at his stuff? Did you check him out yet? >> Um, I've seen his stuff. It's amazing. Um, I love his red head game. His Exand Game is topnotch, obviously. Uh, he's got some really, really, really nice animals. Uh, killing it. Uh, building building it in Korea. tell you that. >> Telling you, man. Very exciting stuff coming from Finest Pythons. And, you know, I I I trip out on the type of, you know, racks that they have over there. I don't know if these are ARS racks. I don't know where he gets this from. So, I I have a lot of questions, man. We're in for a treat. Hope you guys are ready. And if you guys aren't ready, please go give him a follow. Find us Pythons. Uh, but I don't want to waste any more time. Man, you ready to bring them on or what? >> Go. >> All right. Shout out to everyone in the chats. 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And we're live. Episode 700 uh with Saman out of South Korea. Well, welcome to Making History on Trap Talk. First South Korean ball python breeder ever to be on the show. Welcome, Son. >> Hi, guys. Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you, bro. >> It's a pleasure to have you here. Uh, well, it's not night time where you're at. It's the morning time, correct? >> Yeah, it's it's correct. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, thanks for being here. Thanks for taking the time. Um, I I got to ask you, you know, how big is >> how big is the market in South Korea? Let's just get right into it. I mean, how many of you are there? >> Actually, the market just got started. So it's like it's it started on like 20 maybe 2021 when like the few breeders were investing into recessives at that time. >> Okay. >> But now like I think on 2025 and 24 many like new people got into the hobby. So the next year is really exciting for me because my customers will hatch some incredible things that I am waiting for. So maybe now volumewise like there is one guy in South Korea either than me that produces maybe like uh thousand babies maybe I think a year and then the second biggest guy is me and then maybe like one or two or like like less than 10 mediumsiz breeders. So it's like a really small uh market right now but it will grow really big soon. So, so >> 2021, that's not that that's not that long ago. Um, like who who was the main inspiration behind people wanting to get into ball pythons in 2021? I'm I'm Well, like what from what you recall, what was it? >> It was like mostly Justin at that time. So, damn. >> Yeah. South Korean people loved Justin. They they were like they were watching hard on Kenova's video like Justin video at that time. So, wow. everything Justin put up like it blew up. So I didn't do imports that time. Maybe I started importing from Justin on like 2023 I think. So at that time there was a guy that imported Justin's stuff and everybody was buying what Justin put up on his videos. So it was like mostly Justin stuff in South Korea. >> Wow. Go ahead Biggie. What you got? >> Um going with you we were saying about the market over there. Um >> any any reptile shops, any shows yet? >> Uh that that bottom level stuff working its way up. >> So actually uh it's really different from the states and other countries. Uh Korea is dominated by crested geckos. So there is a huge crested gecko market in Korea. So it's like if you go to a reptile show, there are so many reptile shows right now in Korea. And it like mostly if you go then like 80 to 90% is crystalic gecko vendors. So when when abroad people like visit to Korea to see reptile show like if there are ball python people then I'm like >> you shouldn't it's it's not fun like just come to my facility or my friends facility that's more fun. So there are like >> like recently I did my own show actually in the center of Soul. Soul is like the capital city of Korea and maybe you heard of Kangnam style. The the music. >> Yeah. Yeah. I held my own show in Kangnam. It was like really a small show but that was like we didn't accept crested geckos in that show because like we wanted to show people other species and also we like collab with like artists like artist people that who does drawings or makes like figures or something about reptiles and it was a really cool show but now I think I'm not going to vend any reptile shows from like next year because I don't think it's really special anymore like it's always the same. So >> damn. >> Yeah, that's >> that's the heavy truth about what's happening here. I mean, unfortunately, but I think with some of the other shows that like Amelia likes to go to that attracts like the outside people to come in. Um, and that's what a reptile super show I feel like is mainly like you got a lot of the hobbyists that come, but dude, the foot traffic that is at a reptile super show, majority families. It's it's a lot of kids that are at that point where they're ready to get their first animal. Uh, which I think which I think is great. But like as far as what I'm going to look for, >> I don't find them at a [clears throat] like if I want a snake, if there's something I really want to go buy for all the to go with this, I I call somebody. I don't go to the show for that stuff. So, I can kind of see how that could be uh as far as like how that is for you over in South Korea. >> I know I know you're going to love to see that [clears throat] crested gecko market. the the snake market start to catch up. >> Yeah. >> Because, you know, eventually eventually it will. You guys put all that work in, you're gonna you're gonna get it. >> Yeah. And I'm sure the Crested Gecko people are going to transfer over. They're going to definitely be like looking at what you're what you got going on. Has that happened already? Like are you talking to some? >> Yeah, it's it's happening already. So, from this year, >> Yeah, it is because like so the money flow was like it was like really crazy in Korea like >> Yeah. Like I see like if I see exantic DG clown and a normal like even my mom tells me she can know that it's a different mutation >> right >> like but but in crescent geckos in general like I'm a ball python person so I'm not into the ced geckos but >> if somebody puts the new morph on like whatever in in Korea it's for sale then it sells the first time it sells it sells for like 80k or something >> right >> a 200k but and then like people are waiting in the line to buy it for like six to one year for that animal >> right >> then there they sell like so many of them on co and after co too so I was like >> okay I get it but I >> but I don't seem a really big difference like the ball pythons do like the eantic dig clown to normal it looks like just like one one kodom or something like >> spider to normal or pastel to normal. But >> I mean visual. >> Yeah. I mean, we all know that the the exciting thing, one of many of the exciting things about ball pythons is like how they look out the egg. Like it's like you know what the hell you hit. You know, >> cat press geckos. It's not like that. Like you know, may maybe you know you got something special, but it's not that appealing. Like it's not like oh my god. You know, it grows into something crazy, I'm sure. But like as a baby, you can't compare a crested gecko baby to like a ball python baby that's like on the higher tier of things, you know? Um, yeah. So, visually like ball pythons are where it's at. Like if you want something visually like eye candy. Um, but I I got, you know, what's funny is like you're the crescent gecko being like the number one go-to animal reptile when it comes to shows. That's like how it is here with ball pythons. Um, you can't find a show that's not >> filled with ball pythons. All of them are full. I mean, you you just came from Tinley, right? So, what did you think of Tinley? What did you think of a show like Tinley? >> It was It was really fun to me because like >> like most of the vendors were ball python vendors and every table had mostly ball pythons. So, it was like super fun to me to watch because I only see Chris Geckos when I go to show because so I don't really look around on the show when I vent. So, I just like stay on my table or like talk to my other friends that come. But it was like really nice. Like every people I get to talk with was like mostly ball python breeders. So like I love to talk ball pythons. So it was like really fun. It was really impressive to me. So yeah, I I go to like Japan to to do some business. I went like five times this year. But also their show, they don't have that many ball pythons. There are some, but it's like not like Tinley. So, it was really fun to me. >> Yeah. You know, I I was kind of bummed that, you know, Big E couldn't come. You know, normally, >> you know, when a show I actually met him at a Tinley a few years back. Um, >> but like that's a show where a lot of serious people who are taking this like the ones who aren't complaining, the ones who are having a good time for the most part, they go to Tinley. Um, and so you you'll meet some people that would elevate you in this game, which I'm sure you already know. I mean, I saw you with Justin. Like there's nothing else to say right there. Like that's the man. That's the man right there. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Saw your Bob as well. >> And Bob. Yeah, you're with Bob. You're with you're with good people, man. You were some of the best people for sure. >> Let me let me say this, man. Um I'm really excited for you guys that are building a market from the ground up in Japan, [clears throat] >> in South Korea. Uh because let me tell you, bro, like I I've been in for 20 years, but man, it would have been incredibly [snorts] uh fun and inspiring to be in those top five guys to build a market in my own country. So I I have to say, man, I'm really excited for you guys. Yeah, I am excited for everything and stuff, but I'm really excited for you, uh, my man, because look looking at your stuff, bro, you are one of the leaders from what I could see project-wise with the ball python stuff, right? Like I mean, who else is working with the amount of different high-end projects than you are right now in the in in South Korea? Is there anyone else on that level like you are? Uh, like there are some different like actually I'm not really heavily in hypo clown stuff. So maybe the other guy that >> oh >> has some hypo digg clown has more good stuff than me but like aantic and lace like DJ clown stuff like I think yeah, I don't really post much like I have some more holdbacks but like I really want to see like the results like Yeah. So >> So you don't like to show everything right off the bat is what you're saying. That's That's >> Yeah. >> Hey, the the the DJ Exantic clown stuff is to me, right, I'm an exantic guy. >> To me, it's the best the best >> animals ever made. >> True. True. >> That thing is It looks fake. >> Yeah. >> You know, almost right. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, would you think >> an animal I' I'd like for you guys to show on the screen. That redhead spot no stranger clown. Holy crap. >> Uh, you might have to guide and tell me where that one's at. >> That thing is >> crazy. >> Which one? Where's that one at? Uh, >> and that redhead ghi stranger Batman. That thing is >> It's like below. You have to scroll down a little bit. >> Oh, those animals are incredible. Um, I have to say those two >> somewhere there. Yeah, like up like the >> stranger. This one right here. >> Yeah, that I think so. Yeah. What are you talking about? The red the red head. >> That makes me want to buy strangers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that thing is fire. >> What are you? What are you going to say about this? Aio, I'm sorry. >> Can you hear me? >> Alio, can you hear me? [laughter] Uh, Alio, can you hear me? You can't hear me? Look at this dude. Because you see, he's doing This is a rookie. >> Let me ask you, what's your favorite favorite project? Oh, we can't hear you. >> No, you. It's you. >> You. >> No, [laughter] >> I'm gonna kick him out. Hold on. >> We haven't had a technical difficulty like that in a long time. Um but um >> yeah, we'll wait for him to come back. But anyways, um >> so okay, we you know we I guess Justin for sure was a big influence on you getting into the projects that you're into today. >> Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I couldn't hear you. I can hear him. >> I know you couldn't hear me. Yeah, that's it's all good. Go ahead and ask what you're gonna ask him. Go ahead. Go ahead, Emilio. >> What the Wow. [laughter] I swear I swear this isn't our first episode. I swear to God. [laughter] >> It's fine. It's fine. >> So 2021 was the year you got in. >> No, actually I was I got into ball pythons. Brian Bick. So that was what >> Yeah. >> Brian Brian Bart got you in. >> Yeah. It was like I'm 24 actually right now in American age. >> And when I was like 11 like I think not 11 like more younger when like Brian Bick first started his own videos in snake bitesv.com that's when I start watching ball pythons. I was living abroad at that time in Thailand and in Austria for like some education stuff. >> Yeah. >> And then like the only thing I really love to do was like watch snakes by YouTube and his channel. So that's like when like the first Bumblebee stuff like hatched and I was like, "Oh, I had to get I have to have this snake." But I'm too I was too young and then I didn't know like if I could go to South Korea again or I could settle down here. So when I was like 11 I think then I came back to Korea like 12 or 11 and then I got my first wild caught normal ball python and it eventually died after like 2 three years and then I was like I'm done and then I got back in when I was like 17 years old when I started to like gain some money and then like I was like okay I'm going to just buy some codeons and that's it. I don't I didn't think about breeding, but in 2019, I was like, okay, I'll breed some ball pythons. Like, I didn't was like, I'm going to have a company or something. I wasn't just like, I'm going to breed some pides. >> Yeah. >> Albino pides. And then I got into recessive at 2019. And then in 2022, I hatched my first clutch. I think it was like double head uh lavender pi with OD OD yellow belly fire. So like when I when I like saw the heads coming out of the egg, I was like, "Okay, I'm going to do this as a business." And then I started importing like right after >> I imported from the EU from exclusive snakes the first time and then it was like a big order. It was like maybe 80 ball pythons. I think like 60 was for me and then 20 was for my first customers at that time. So that's when my company started and then like it grew grew grew and then now I'm Yeah. [clears throat] >> So you got you got to the point where you found people to want to go in on that pack on that on that shipment with you. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was it was like it was it was quite a big amount moneywise like at that time. So >> were these other guys your age? Were they older? Like who who are these people? I'm just curious. It's, you know, it's unique to have, you know, at your age to have people that are willing to do that. You know, >> it's like mostly like older people than me. Like 20 years more older, like I think so. Like 15 to 20 years more like they're kind of like 40 to like 35ish. >> And then there are some like young breeders right now that are my customers, but they will hatch some good things next year. So, >> so I I me and Milo talk about this all the time about like getting your name out there like you know it's important to put yourself around some of these people because you'll get mentorships like how are you at a young age meeting these guys were you meeting them at shows like how are you connecting yourself >> so mostly like you you guys have morph market but we don't in Korea we have like another >> yeah we have a platform called uh pasam It's essentially like there's a Korean Google in in Korea called neighbor. They make like a website that you can do anything like a c we call it cafes. I don't know why but like there is a platform like morph market. So mostly I do all my promotions and stuff over there and then we have like a messenger like a WhatsApp. It's called kaka talk and we I have my own like finest python room inside. I have like 132. It's not that much, but like I do my sales over there and the Korean morph market and then the community like it's mostly by like they look at my p page in the the Korean morph market and then they contact me and then I make communication in shows I don't really make because there are some people come to the show and then be my customers for sure but like the vendors like there are mostly gecko vendors so I don't make communication with >> [laughter] >> much >> I don't really look at those people. >> Yeah, I'm not interested really. So, [laughter] we'll see. >> Pass. Yeah, Millio. I don't know. I I find it interesting, you know, his taste in his projects. Um, you know, I I asked him where he really got the taste from, but I I thought he was going to say, you know, everything kind of originated from Justin, but Bart check, that's a trip, huh? >> Yeah. I mean, uh, >> Brian Brian had that world impact, bro. Those vid his videos. I mean, >> yeah, >> there's something a lot of people don't think about the world these [snorts] these, uh, YouTube videos, these millions and millions of uh, subscribers. >> A lot of them are international. I mean, >> yeah, >> you know, they they build an international following, a market, and uh, >> that's that's what uh, Son's gonna do. >> Yeah. The end of the day. And and again, every every it's like it's like me and MJ always say, day by day, brick by brick, customer by customer, you know, and they're going to continue to to expand it as well, much like, you know, all of us did 20 years ago. I mean, >> you know, you you the market was nothing >> 20 years ago compared to what it is now. You know, a lot of the things that you're saying, the way you communicate with people, you know, that's what we used to do 20 20 25 years ago. I mean, >> yeah, >> it's gonna grow leaps and bounds. [clears throat]

Yeah, you know, kind of getting back to how you were, you know, getting started and whatnot, Samon. Um, I know I know it's easy to like kind of get ideas project-wise via social media and videos, but did you struggle at all figuring out like husbandry stuff at all? Like, you know, for instance, like what temps that were working for you in your area? Um, and and t tell me like what is like what is the demographic weather like in your area? Like overall I don't I don't really know if you struggle with humidity at all or anything like that. Really freezing weather. Let's kind of talk about all >> it's like we have four seasons but like like uh spring and and fall is really short right now. So mostly it's like summer and winter. >> Okay. >> But I don't I don't really struggle with humidity and temps because I'm in a like I'm really in a high place right now. It's like a office building. I'm on 11th floor. It's really high right now. >> Wow. >> And then Yeah, it's I like I I activate my air heat and my air conditioner 24 hours. So, it's like heating is like the temps are no problem for me. The humidity I really don't set a high humidity like outside the tub. Like I usually do like 60% to like 60% wise and then I I water my cocoa inside the the tubs like little bit. So that that's how I keep my humidity and then I used to use a humidifier but like I find it like kind of like I don't know I really didn't like it. So >> 60 is perfect. What were we what were we talking about during soundcheckio? Like when I said like what's like a perfect humidity? I'm like dude 60 is like the magic number. I feel like if you could keep your room at 60 or at least high 50 to 60s, you'll deal with a lot less stuck sheds like you'll be in a good spot, you know? >> Yeah. So, the mostly the building right now that I'm in like they did all the work for like the sounds and like the humid and the keep keeping the temperature like really safe. So, like I'm the only animal guy that it's in the building. like there there are maybe like hundred like 200 companies right now, but they're mostly like banks and like [laughter] >> they're like uh what are you doing? >> Yeah. So, I don't really put I don't really put my like uh my thing outside the outside my facility. I just put my FP sign so they they don't really know what I'm doing. But the really interesting part is like they never ask me. So, it's like so good for me. Nobody cares about me. >> [laughter] >> You're probably >> I do my feedings on night times on Fridays. So, everybody's out of the building because they they leave at 6. So, I feed my like rat seven. So, like they don't know. It's no problem for me right now. >> Americans are some of the most nosiest [ __ ] ever. They're going to be all up in that [ __ ] and like, you know, it's [laughter] can never get away with that there. That's awesome. Was it was it hard to get into that building with your animals? Like, did you have to apply and like let them know like, "Hey, I got snakes." And were they like like whoa or how were they acting? Like I'm curious how all that went. >> So this this room area the the owner of the area this this room she was like kind of curious about it like because she's new but she she doesn't know about reptiles. So I explained her like we use racks like snakes are not like all over the place. They will be in the rack. >> I'll just like I'll feed them once. They're not noisy. I'll feed once a week and then like it's no problem with the smells and everything. She was like she was a really super cool girl. So she was like okay then like just pay your [ __ ] and then like come in. [laughter] I was like okay just yeah just pay the amount of the money every month on the same time then like it's cool for me. I was like okay I had that money and then >> she was cool. And then uh actually we have to have we don't have a specific license for reptiles but like the only thing we do is like just like apply for the the company stuff and it's really simple in Korea. But yeah, it'll it'll be more complicated from December because there is a new law coming soon. But it's like we we are having actually kind of a hard time with the laws right now. But like we we will figure something out. So like for ball pythons it's mostly okay but like for big stuff like teus or boas or like it it will be like a tough market >> so >> I have some homies over there with dry mark on >> yeah I hope I hope they're okay those get pretty >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So we were fight we have like a Korean arc like the US arc like I really support them. >> Yeah. But they're really fighting hard and now like everybody are fighting hard with the law. So like tomorrow I have to go to like the explanation or convention center to like hear all the [ __ ] and then they're saying so >> the government man it's everywhere. What are you gonna do? >> Yeah. You're gonna need your gonna need to build that lobby just like you build the market at the end. >> So, >> yeah, I have a super chat question I want to get to. Uh Jared, uh he wants to know your hardest challenge establishing a collection in emerging market and was it difficult deciding what traits you wanted to start with? And I appreciate the super chat, Jared. But yeah, what do you uh what do you have to say about But in South Korea, it was actually like kind of not that difficult for me because like mostly South Koreans like there are many people I respect all South Koreans because I'm South Korean, but they are they are sometimes hard having hard time understanding English. So if they watch Kenova or like other videos like they they sometimes can't understand stuff. So I understand English. So I like listen to the podcast and like all the videos like other readers put up like either than Justin but mostly like the trend. So Korea is crazy about trends. So I have to tell you about this like okay >> there is a like I always tell people about the five guys thing in Korea like the h the burger brand you know like >> when five guys launched in Korea in Kangnam like the Kangnam style >> crazy >> they waited like they waited 14 to 12 hours before the first opening so they were on the >> what [laughter] if it's opening on Wednesday 10 10:00 a.m. They waited th Thursday 1000 p.m. They were like camping on in front of the Five Guys store. >> So because they think it's trendy and cool. >> Oh wow. Just because they want to be the first one to say like I got I was like the first one in line or something like that. >> Yeah. So [laughter] it was like crazy. I was like okay like for a burger I'm not waiting for 12 hours. So I was like like when does the line finish? And then like for it it maintained for like 6 to 12 like a year and a half. Like there was always a line. I'm not waiting for a burger over 10 minutes on the line. So >> you guys don't have Door Dash or Uber Eats over there. You can't just Uber Eats that [ __ ] >> Like at the first time I know I don't know if it's a marketing for Five Guys, but when they had the line, they didn't allow Uber Eats or something. We have like a really good Uber Eats thing in Korea, but they didn't put up. So, I think it's like a marketing thing for Five Guys. And then after an year and a half, I think then there was no lie and I was like, "Okay, I'm gonna try it." And I was like, "All right. >> It's pretty nice, but it's not like worth >> Yeah, it's pretty mid. Their fries are pretty whack." Go ahead. Sorry. >> Hey, let me say this, man. When you go to Cali, >> you're gonna hit In-N-Out. You're gonna hit In-N-Out Burger and that's going to change your whole burger experience. >> In-N-Out. Okay. >> In-N-Out's the best for sure. >> Okay. I'll try. I'll try. You can't get that in Georgia. I'm sorry. Um, so [laughter] >> gotta make sure. I told you I need I need to get you out here for Trapfest. We got to get you out here in California for sure. >> Okay. For sure. >> You're the best ever. >> Um, >> yeah. So, go ahead. >> Yeah. Back to like like because like it's like Korean people thing like loving trendy stuff. So, I think it's the same for all the reptiles in Korea. So like they thought cic geckos were trendy and then like we have like a cultural thing like really like a really historical thing like our ancestors like they think like snake is evil and rat is evil. I don't know but >> like like the Latin like the Latin culture. >> Yeah. Yeah. It affects ball pythons and snakes industry too. But the mostly thing about Korean people is trendy stuff. But like the famous people and the most trendy like pioneer is Justin and then he makes really cool videos. So it was like if I follow Justin like it'll it will definitely make a success. But at that time like people were not working with Exantic DG clown. I made my first triple hits in 2023 I think. So at that time nobody was interested in that project like they were like oh I saw it but like >> they weren't >> so I just got in. Yeah I I just got in and then the the moment that when blew up the exantic DG clown project is when I imported the exantic DG clown from Justin and then I vended on the show with it. So then people were like okay I have to have it. So it's really hard like I really like hypo puzzle stuff right now. I liked it from last year like the OD entry like the really bright ones but no like it's really hard to like be like make it trendy because if I want to make it trendy then I have to import the best stuff. >> So I have to import like super odi yellow belly hypo puzzle or something and then I have to show it to people and then see their reactions. But like Asian people love black and white. So it was it was easy for like anticlone to blow up. Yeah. >> And when you actually see it in person is what changes everything because you could look at videos like and and that's why it's like you're not going to really impress somebody uh all the time when you show them on the phone or you look on TV. But like when you go like you know just when you go to Justin's place, all three of us have been to Justin's place. When you see this [ __ ] in person, it changes everything. It's like >> and it just doesn't stop. Like, you know, just just keeps bringing more out and it's like, >> what the hell? And like, it's just mind-blowing. It's so And it's some of the nicest nicest stuff you could ever feast your eyes on in the game. >> True. >> And it's expire. It's inspiring. But yeah, that's what's crazy is like, you know, you're probably not going to wow the the people over there until they actually see it in person. >> Yeah. True. So, it was hard. It was It's kind of hard for me because, you know, I have to spend a lot. [laughter] Yeah. For Cosmos, I imported like the Cosmos doublehead DG clown next year last year. It's already a breeder mail. She's like walking with the antic DG clown. >> Wow. >> But, you know, it wasn't really high quality Cosmos. So, when I like put it like revealed it in South Korea, then then people were like they saw it in person. Okay. Okay. I have to have it. So, it it happened. It happened. But, you know, I'm kind of like, uh, will people love the hypo puzzle? Like, they will I think they will love the paint clown stuff, but hypo puzzle it's kind of hard. >> I don't think I don't think paint's gonna I don't think I think obviously you could do a lot with paint, don't get me wrong, but you if you talk about eye candy wise, hypopuzzle [ __ ] smack that [ __ ] out of the water. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. high feeling wise. Like if you're talking about glowing sensation, like oh my god, what the [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I have to say that that Cosmo pairing, >> you're probably it's just you and Justin. That's it. [laughter] >> Okay. So, how does that feel? You know what I mean? And when you say you spent all that money, bro, that's a hell of a feeling right there. I don't else [laughter] in the world has that pairing going. That's it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's that's amazing right there, bro. >> On the topic of your pairings, like what's your current um numbers looking like production-wise? Like what do you what are you shooting for clutchwise a year right now? >> This year I did two maybe like 300 babies. I think like 300 to 350 maybe. But next year I'm shooting for mostly the like the same amount actually like 400 like a little bit higher. I have a really small place. So yeah. >> So but so you said babies. So you don't count that you don't count them as clutches? You don't count them as clutches or you do? >> Uh I do like maybe like >> trying to get my head >> 40 likeif 50 to 60 clutches next year I'm shooting for. >> Okay, perfect. Sorry. I I don't I've never It's uncommon where someone's like, "Yeah, 600 babies." I'm just like, [laughter] >> which is a big number. That's why. And I'm like, "Wait a minute. How many [ __ ] clutches is that?" But yeah, [laughter] 50 to 60. Awesome. Go ahead, Amanda. What you got? >> Yeah. >> Uh, so are you setting up mainly to sell in Korea or you also going to export back out? >> Yeah, good question. I I did so I have a export I did already three exports to Japan this year and then I'm doing another in November and then December. So maybe five five exports this year. Next year I'm going to go worldwide. I really want to export to other countries either than Japan, but like I like Japan because it's so efficient to me to go. It's only takes like two hours to go and then it's really good for me to do business. So I'm looking for other countries too. There are some many breeders who reach me out thankfully for like like can you do exports and stuff? I I can I Yeah, I'm I'm looking for abroad exports too. Is it very easy uh outside of that Japanese market for you to to export uh within your rules in Korea, >> let's say up or whatnot? That's easy. >> It Yeah, it is. It is easy. I just have to

Do my papers and the tees, but like I'm really used to it. So, it it's not no problem with me. It It takes like seven days, maybe five days to get my permit. So, then like that's it. I have my broker. Yeah.

>> That's great. Yeah. Sick. How how's the language barrier between South Korea and Japan? Like, is it pretty like can you guys understand it for the most part or is it just completely different? Like straight different?

>> 95% different.

>> Damn. [laughter] Cool.

>> Yeah.

>> So, it's like So, it's like comparing like English and Spanish. Like, it's like it's that it's that different.

>> Yeah, it is.

>> So, can you speak can you speak Japanese at all or No,

>> no, I don't. Like I I watch some animes so I know like a specific [laughter]

>> specific like like thing that they use like a lot.

>> Yeah.

>> But either than that I don't. So like all of my like u friends in like breeders in Japan, they mostly speak English. So that's how I communicate.

When I when I heard how good your English was at Tinley, I was like, "Fuck, dude. My I remember hitting up at me. I'm like, "Yo, bro, we got we got our first South Korean breeder coming on." I was so happy and I was so happy to meet Satoshi. Shout out to Satoshi, but Satoshi's his English is not as good as yours. Um,

>> my pleasure.

>> Yeah, but he, you know, he did a good he did a good job understanding me and for the most part, but I cannot wait to tap into the Japan market. That's like my next big next big accomplishment I want to make on this channel is bringing someone from Japan on this.

>> Yeah. Shout out to Satoshi. He's making a really good move in Japan. He recently did a ball python contest called JBBC.

>> Okay.

>> Japanese ball python breeders ball python conference I think.

>> Wow.

>> There like there were some they they made like a huge stage in like the the biggest show like Jarus Tokyo is the biggest show in October. So he the owner of the Jer Jarvis show like they were like yeah they sponsor Satoshi for the show and then like he made like a huge stage and there were like the first show there were 53 readers who got into the contest 53. So there was like a huge line like it was like hu it was really good like I sponsored some lab boooos for like the the winners and then I I I had the opportunity to get on the stage and then and the the lab boou stuff like it's like it's big in Asia right now like the thing. So it was really fun.

>> Yeah. I can't say Americans aren't trendy because that shit's trending over here too. It's like like $300 Yeah. Like $300 things that hang on your pocket, right? Like they're like little

>> Yeah.

>> Is that Is that Is that what they are? Like little fluffy thing.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it is.

>> Videos of them going for a couple hundred bucks, 300 bucks, you know what I mean? It's crazy. Is that a lot? Is that a lot for what they go for over there? Is that about the same price or

>> No,

>> I think it's way more cheaper in Korea.

>> Okay. [laughter] Yeah, we're we're we're trending to a whole another level, I think, over here. It's ridiculous. Um um but yeah, you know, that that's very interesting to see like the level even Satoshi's taking things over in Japan. Um and just to kind of wrap things up on Japan market, what do you know as far as that growth goes? Like are there a lot of

>> other breeders coming up like Satoshi or is that still like very untapped? Like what do you what do you know about Japan?

>> I think Satoshi's the man. He's like the big dog in in Japan for sure.

>> Hell yeah. like either of them ball pythons all reptile wise he has some really big connections in Japan like in business-wise so he I think he's like big ether than that there are some like really good breeders I think they did many many imports so

>> right

>> because of that they they import from really various breeders like from the Justin for sure like from me and then from other Europe breeders and then like Tinley breeder like all vendors in Tindi, he doesn't really like he's not really exclusive to somebody Satoshi. So

>> yeah,

>> like and also like some of the breeders other breeders from Japan also they're not really I'm going to import from only this guy. They they're not that way like so I think many many uh good high-end stuff will hatch also from Japan like starting from maybe next year. Well, I think it's like kind of the same thing in Korea. I I'm really excited for next year and also I'm excited from next year from Japan because they like they just got started into the VPI exantic DG clown project from some codeons because I exported some like Batman DG headantics. I exported like three to Satoshi. So, he sold all of them. So, I think like they were going to use that mail next year. So it will really blow up blow up and then they really like the dark stuff right now in Japan. So all of the winners like the first place, second place, third place on JBBC were mostly dark stuff. And then the really interesting part of the Japan market is they don't really the most of the people I think like 80% to 70% don't really like hypodi stuff.

>> That's really interesting for me.

>> Really? They think yeah they think DG clown and hypo clown like they think it like one in one they don't really combine it that much. So there are people

>> they don't think hypo clown it should be together.

>> Uh they don't think it should be together. They think like DG clown and hypoc clown separate is more better looking

>> like most of the people. So I was like talking to Satoshi is it big and big and hypo DG clowns because in Korea it was big last year the hypo.

>> I mean I can kind of see that because DG does clean a lot of the pattern up. So, if you are a pattern person and you want that hypo look,

>> then you want to avoid DG. I don't know. What do you have to say to that, Alio?

>> I mean, there's some other projects that people are trying to keep

>> DG out.

>> Yeah.

>> Or vice versa.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like that in Japan. So, like Satoshi was like, it's it's okay. I can sell it, but it's kind of hard to sell hypo DG stuff. It's more better to sell hypo stuff. Japan is big with hypo right now. They love the I think the most loved Kodom is I think either than like the high-end cosmos and stuff. They really love chocolate. So chocolate hypo and like chocolate DG stuff really sells good in Japan. So

>> we we we're going to have to show them that super chocolate DG hypo clown. I mean that's one of the best snakes ever made. I mean, I it makes me want it, you know, tell them to eat their words a little bit, man. You know, [laughter]

>> I think that's another thing I didn't mean to cut you off. Uh, but I was thinking like maybe that's what I'm thinking is like they they haven't seen enough of it yet or just not there at that point. Because to me though, how many times has something not been popular in the hobby a year, couple years back and now all of a sudden here we are 10 years later and now it's [ __ ] popping. You know what I mean?

>> We we evolve. Everyone evolves with time and sometimes we even go back. I mean, you know,

>> true. I think they they saw like the really good combos for Hypo DG clown, but I think it's not their taste. I think like they were like it makes it too kind of uh too light or something. But but there are some breeders who are working with hypo clown stuff in Japan. So

>> yeah,

>> if they hatch some nice things, then the community can change. I think so.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> It's all good. You could also adjust some of your production to what they like and that's it, you know.

>> I mean,

>> yeah, we all know there's different tastes, you know, in different parts of the world, but we all know how this this hobby grows and it's typically grows the same way it grew over here in the United States. I think I think the more stuff like if you still kept DG Hypo in in in projects I guarantee in five years people are going to want that [ __ ] Um 110% because you know obviously the more examples you show of it. Um but again also like depends what your goals are. Um, you know I I feel like maybe what's popular right now in Japan is pattern. Like maybe they want more pattern versus less pattern. You know

>> who knows? Mhm. Yeah, they they really like patterns. In Korea, it's the same, but the Korean market right now, I think it's really different from last year because like I did so many I sold like 60% of my uh hatch things right in Korea this year. It's mostly sold out right now. I don't have many left, but

>> congrats.

>> Yeah, like I Yeah, thank you. I did some like Pompei stuff. So Justin like exported me the first Pompei. So it really worked hard for me. So I hatched like three or four Pompei this year and last year. So the Pompei stuff is really like trendy right now in Korea. All all of like the beginners want Pompei for the start.

>> And then for sure Exantic DJ clown stuff. I think like people they really like various things right now. DJ clown and some people are working with DJ clown with lazy stuff. Some people want cosmos. It's really interesting, but it's mostly clown. So,

>> how's how's this stuff right there? What's this stuff? Like, what's I'm cur because this is my this is my jam right here. Like, if you want to know what I'm into ball python wise, I like that dark [ __ ] but this Okay,

>> this is my I love this stuff right here. I would love to make something like this. How's stuff like this?

>> Uh, this is really popular. So instantly when it came out of the egg, it was both sold out. So the left one went to the Japan.

>> Nice.

>> So the left one was black pastel ghai mojave 50% head gstripe. That's it. And then the right one is also

>> there's clown in there, right? Right.

>> Yeah, it's clown black. Yeah. Black pastel ghai mojave clown 50% head gstripe.

>> Okay.

>> And then the right one is the same mutation. Black pastel GHI Mojave Clown and it's triple head for hypoexantic DG and 50% for Gstripe.

>> Oh my god. Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> Hot top hot hot hot topic right here. If if this was visually G-stripe, don't you think it wouldn't look as good?

>> I mean, we're IO, what do you think?

>> Hey, I don't know. I think his laugh said it all. But

>> that pattern is nuts. Like, dude, Gstripe would [ __ ] up that pattern. It for sure it would.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it would. I think [laughter] like I think so.

>> I'm not even trying to hate. I'm just saying like I would I would think like all right, I didn't get gstripe. I'm happy because

>> I love the honest [laughter] of it. I'm I'm honest. I'm honest. I I'm not really a G-stripe guy, but the only thing I'm working with because like the male was black pastel clown quad headantic DG hypo G-stripe. So, it's like 50% head. I didn't test Gstripe because I'm not really in but I have some clown two double head clown double headante gstripe females. I have two of them

>> and I'm using them. Yeah,

>> I'm not saying Gstripe is worthless. I'm just saying in these snakes that I'm looking at right here with the with the combos that you said, I would not want Gstripe a part of this. Like I like what I'm I like what I'm looking at. Like this is almost goddamn near a finished product in my eyes. Like I'm curious. I'm curious what hypo would be like in this because I'm a huge hypo person and I know GHI hypo is like that's like spaghetti and meatballs, dude. Like you GHI and hypo were born to be together 110%. Um, so I'll be curious to see I'm sorry. The right one. The right one stayed with you, right? You said the the one or or

>> No, I I I the left one went to Japan. The right one went to my loyal customer. He he bought it. But I first first when it came out of the egg and had first [ __ ] I thought the right one was visually hypo. So I thought it was black pastel ghaui hypo clown. But I tested Gerard GI, it came out just head hypo. I was like, "Okay, the the left one had doesn't have any heads and then the right one maybe has four heads because it tested positive for hypo and DG and exantate.

>> So like the head influence is making the snake more like hypoish, I think. Yeah.

>> I mean, it could have fooled me like I I would have probably would have thought there's visual hypo in this.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> so that's why I test. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And who knows, man. Like maybe maybe visual hypo would have made this look not as good. Like we don't we don't know.

>> Uh, but I would want to find out. What's your customer's name or should we keep it a secret?

>> Uh, he's he's Python area. I think he's on Instagram.

>> Python area. Python area. If you can hear me, please put that to another hypo, please. All right, Just do it. [laughter] Please, buddy. Don't don't ignore the hypo game in there, man. Um, but no, these are really beautiful snakes, man. And and I got to say I I had I had to bring these up because out of everything I saw on your page, which is

>> very everything's jaw-dropping for the most part, you know, uh everything. But this right here is

>> Man, I can't stop looking at this stuff. I really can't. Uh, what what are you Oh, okay. Hold on. Before I get to what you like the most, let's talk about Krypton. Okay. Um,

>> Okay.

>> because it's very like not a pop. It's not something popular like but but also when I look at it, I go, man, that is like what is that? like it looks almost like a toy. It doesn't even look real. Um, where what's your goal with a with a gene like this that could get mixed up with clown easily and and stuff like that? Like what's your what do you think this is going to head in your eyes?

>> This is awesome. This looks beautiful, you know?

>> Yeah, I think the mostly the Krypton stuff I'm all putting into Exantic DG Krypton stuff right now. So the the good thing is like it's better for me to see like pair a krypton to a clown either than the clown to head clown because I really like the way that krypton shows up. It's like sometimes it looks like a puzzle.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So but I don't really like to use cryptic. I I just like to use krypton because I want to see clown and krypton in the same clutch. So, I'm heading to Axantic DG Kryptons and then Exantic DG Clown or Krypton projects. I'm you using mostly the dark stuff, not the OD or Mandarin stuff. I'm only using like GHI like stranger, Wookie, Black Pastel, like these stuff. So, yeah. So,

>> well, there's there's also not much hype with Cryp Krypton stuff over there yet, correct? Like, that's something that's like a side thing for you. like you're just got you're just kind of seeing where it goes. Maybe

>> maybe like uh right now many people understand how the krypton gene works because like there are many new people my customers. So they they had a hard time understanding the genetics of how krypton works. But now they all know and then I'm showing these animals I hatched it. So people know that it's really good-looking. So they're really getting in. But for now, my customers, they really don't. There are not many customers for me who really loves Hypo right now. They love HypoDG, but like my customer is more like DG clown stuff than Hypoc Clown. So

>> yeah,

>> like I have to do both. I have I have to work with Hypo too to export to Japan, but I have to work with DG clown heavily in in Korea and Exantic DJ Clown for sure. So, I really saw some really nice hypo krypton combos in Instagram. So, I was like, "Okay, this could be a new direction for me, but like I'm into a business, so I have to follow my customers like like 70%." So, yeah,

>> you're also molding

>> Yeah, you're molding a new customer base. So,

>> yeah, you you also got to innovate yourself and

>> try new things, right? I mean,

>> yeah,

>> you say hypo. I I I think true ghost immediately.

>> Like true ghost is is probably the way for you to get everybody like, you know.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I have some like true ghost clown makers females this like this year to breed. So maybe I'll hatch some true ghost up too next year. So

>> really excited.

>> About a year ago, Samon, um, you know, due to this gentleman here, Pastel took quite the hit. you know, he was he was on this crazy like rant about how he hated Pastel and so luckily he came a long ways. He doesn't hate it, you know, but I got to ask you and I'm just mainly giving him [ __ ] Um, but how's Pastel being worked in South Korea? Are people avoiding it?

>> Um, obviously you're not afraid of it. You know, I see you got it in the mix, but what's going on with how your customers are reacting to like working past donut projects and and how do you feel about it? Well, I just like my my customers like like me because I'm really honest for everything. I just like tell if it's not because they want to know how the US market reacts with every jeans. So,

>> like they're really fine with pastel in aic stuff. Also, I find it good in aantic DJ clown stuff. I like the pastel exantantic DJ clown too. I really love without pastel but it's fine for me to put pastel but now I tell my customers like if they like pompei like be be like out of pastel. So many people are don't like pastel that much but in right combos they still use it and I use it too. So like for example, Aantic DJ clown, they're not like they don't avoid pastel. Like if there's no pastel, like I they I just give a choice to them like if you want, but this I had some pastel last year because uh I had some many in my collections, but now I got rid of most of the pastels either than Exantic DGO stuff. So yeah,

>> there's no pastel in this snake. Am I There's not, right? Am I tripping? There's Yeah, Batman DG Pixantic. Yeah,

>> thing's amazing.

>> There's no

>> really is. Um, so what what do you what are you most jacked like, you know, excited about, I guess you could say. You know, what is it that really kind of, you know, when it comes to thinking of everything that we're talking about here? What stands out the most like in your head?

>> Uh, actually Cosmos right now. Uh, I have a breeder male. I have two males of Cosmos right now. So, one is a proven breeder male. It's a Cosmos doublehead DJ clown. He's working hard for me right now. And I have a fire yellow belly cosmos doublehead DJ clown male. He's about like 300400 gram. So maybe he'll work for me next year like April or March or something. So yeah, Cosmos thing is really it's really exciting for me. So it's kind of a gamble for me because like if I put Stranger into Cosmos, maybe it will wash out the pattern to Stranger. So I don't know. But still it's really exciting for me. So I have some like triple head mono DG clown adult females with cardom. So I'm putting into the cosmos double DG clown and I'll hatch some Cosmos combo DG clowns 50% monsoon intestant and eventually on to see like the Cosmos monsoon DG clown stuff like in like two or three years. That's really exciting for me. And then the Mandrin stuff is huge for me right now. So I like I put up the video of the Mandrin hit monsoon. Like it's really high quality I think. So next year I'm shooting for the Super Mandrin hit monsoon. A super mandrin monsoon. So that's really my goal. And then putting high

>> dude imagine what the [ __ ] that's going to look like. A super mandarin monsoon.

>> Like just to think just to think of a orange monsoon. You know what I mean? Like like how a monsoon looks now but orange. Dude, imagine imagine Okay, I know we were just got off the hypo topic, but dude, imagine hypo in there.

>> Yeah, it is, right?

>> It's going to blow up. Yeah,

>> that's gonna blow up. That's nuts.

>> Yeah, I saw the Mandarin DG also, but like I was like, uh, maybe Hypo would be better, but the Mandarin DG was so nice to me. Like I saw saw it on Morph Market. Maybe it was it sold already. It was like so nice looking. So I was like, "Okay, I should go to also both directions, hypo and DG, and then see how it reacts." So I'm working on both right now.

>> You saw Super Mandarin and DG or not yet?

>> No, not yet. I only saw the Mandarin DG, but honestly, for me personally, it it was way more prettier than the single hypo mandarin. The the Mandarin DG was way more top-notch for me. It was like way more orange and then like the colors really popping out. So,

>> so I I would, if I had to bet, I guarantee you're going to want hypo into DG and and Mandarin. I guarantee they all I guarantee they will all compliment each other 100%.

>> True.

>> A thousand%. Because not only is Mandarin in like next level in a super form, but when hypo's in there, you have the hottest snake in the in the room when you when that's all together. I've seen it.

>> True. True.

>> It's the prettiest snake I've ever seen in person. Well, I can't say that. I mean, I I I think of it and I say that, but when I remember seeing my very first Supermanderin hypo now that we know that that snake TJ had at that show was hypo, it literally pulled me from the other side of the room, dude. Like, I can remember seeing it on a table in a big display case and I remember like it like [clears throat] it literally shot like it make my eyes just stare at it and it was one of the nicest things I've ever seen for sure.

>> Yeah.

>> What a project.

>> Let me ask you this. any Ultra Mill, any Monarch, anything like that in your collection you look you're looking forward to hitting?

>> No, actually I'm not working with Ultra Man Monarch. It's it's kind of a tough uh project to work in South Korea. It's Yeah, it's it's tough. So,

>> and

>> yeah, there are some people Yeah. Yeah, Okay. Go.

>> No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

>> No, no, The Ultrammell sunset. There are some people who like it, but like they're just like, "Okay, it's pretty, but they don't really get into it." So,

>> there are some people who work with

>> Yeah. Dreamsicle. But

>> yeah, that's where I was going to go because I I saw that you really like Sunset and in the questions I asked you.

>> Uh, where where are you going with Sunset if you work Sunset? Uh, I have a pairing for a black pastel, spotnose, red stripe, sunset, DG clown, right? Right now, pairing. So, that will be like my goal for the sunset. And I'm actually I made some triple head sunset exantic clowns last year. So, now they're locking up.

>> So, it's kind of a gamble for me. I don't know how they will turn out, but if it's bad, it's like I'm okay. And then it's a good like for me it was great bro.

>> Yeah. So maybe I'll if I'm lucky I could hit the sensant clown next year.

>> You might be the world that you might get to to to beat everyone out and be the world's first bro.

>> Yeah. If I'm lucky. It's a triplet triplet per so it's kind of tough but yeah that's the direction right now. And then I really like the dark stuff in sunsets also the the bright stuff. So I kind of like to mix them. So like I have a black pastel Wookie clown head sunset breeder male.

>> So he is working hard for me like for like some of the double head sunset clowns like Mojave spot nose double sunset clowns. So like Wookie Black pastel spot nose sunset clown like these are the sunset clowns I'm working with. So sunset DJ clown and sunset clown and just sunset clown stuff right now. I'm not really a big fan of the Ultram stuff. I think it's really pretty, but it's it's kind of hard to get the market in in Korea, so I'm kind of like watching how the people reacts because there are some breeders who work with Ultram right now in Korea. So, I'm just keeping an eye on that stuff right now. So,

>> what what dark sunset combo examples you've seen that you like? I'm curious. Actually, I really like the GHI sunset stuff uh as like a baby. I don't know how they turned out right now. I think there was a really quality difference.

>> They're ugly, dude. I'm being honest. They're ugly. Like, they're not they're not that great looking. That's why I'm curious. Like, I I another reason why I was like, I'm good on sunset is because you can't really [ __ ] put dark stuff into it. And from everything I've seen, that's why I'm asking if there is a dark out there. GHI sunset. I remember I saw one good example of it and then everything else after I saw was not good examples of it. So

>> yeah, it was like kind of the blackhead sunset clown from Justin. It's like kind of a juvenile right now, but it's kind of amazing in person for me. But the pattern is kind of lack. So I have to put the pattern in, I think. So that's the direction for me. Like only not using the dark stuff, like using the lights, the bright stuff and the dark stuff together, right? to make like kind of like the middle and then like the colors and the pattern. So I think the spot nose is really key to sunset clones right now.

>> Yeah.

>> So yeah, the black pastel spot no sunset clown it will I think it will be really nice. I think Yeah.

>> And this is I've always said this, there's nothing against sunset. It's just going to be a uphill battle. Like it's not going to be an easy layout project to make because everyone's be everyone's going to be on that bandwagon. But I'll tell you what, the hottest sunset that we'll see is going to have like five other jeans in it. You'll see.

>> And it's going to be the right it's going to be the right ones. It's and it's going to be like boom. It's going to be [ __ ] everything that we dreamed about for all the sunset lovers out there. And I and I believe in it when it comes to that. It's just not going to be that easy. It's going to be it's going to be a tough project, but it's going to be worth it, I think, in the long run. I really do.

>> Yeah. I really like to work with hard stuff. Like, so it's really fun for me. needs. Like that's dude, the reward is like

>> I mean, come on. Like if you really hit on something you're working hard at, man, that not a lot of people are even going after, bro. That's

>> that's what this game is built off of, you know?

>> Yeah. It's really not It's really fun for me. Like, yeah. Always.

>> I have a I have a question about rodents. Um,

>> Okay. Okay.

>> Was it difficult for you to find a rodent supplier? And also, is there already a system being planned or or put in place to where you know, yeah, you're going to need the whole market in South Korea is going to need a lot of rodents going forward.

>> Uh, like like the US market like in co it was huge in Korea too. So then that's when all the low rodent companies like popped out and then there are some really many rodent companies popped out at that time but they already like some of them vanished it there are some like I think like three or four companies right now in Korea the big ones I use like the most famous one I really have a good relationship with him so he uh gets me the roance every Friday he delivers me all the live rodents to me. So there is no problem for me to have that supply. But it's really hard to build a rodent facility in Soul because like it's a really packed city. So it's really hard to build like uh like a smelly like rodent their their smell is really like yeah extreme. So like you can't do that in in Soul the capital city. So all the companies are next to the capital city. My company is next to Soul. It's like called Kongo there. He's in there right the place and then some of the other companies are more below. So there's no companies in soul I think. Yeah.

>> How far how far is a farm area from soul?

>> Uh, my comp like my friend like my supplier is about like 40 minutes if there's no traffic. I think if there's traffic like an hour and a half maybe.

>> That's not too bad.

>> Yeah. It's not too bad. It's it's good for me. Yeah.

>> Yeah. You know, one of the unfortunate things about some people coming into the hobby, like they get a good rhythm going, but then in like three years their supplier [ __ ] disappears. Or,

>> you know, or they have to go commute two, three hours each way to go get rodents. And when you do that weekly, it [ __ ] gets old. It really does. Um,

>> but you know, mind you, this come really from people who just can't breathe their own rodents. Either they're in an apartment or their wife won't allow it or something. You know what I mean? Like it's always something gets in the way. But here I feel like in America if you don't breed your own rodents dude you're oh man it's there's going to be times where it's not going to be easy. I feel like you know

>> right Emilio like having your own source of

>> mean I mean you have you have to gauge

>> how much you trust your your supplier. Uh, we've talked about that MJ. Um,

>> you know, you build a long relationship. you you you know they they build their reputation with you and

>> you you have to know if you could trust

>> because man the the amount of production and money that you put into uh producing your animals to not be able to have first to not be able not not in this case here but uh not to be able to afford to feed your animals or not to be able to find food for the the animals that you produce that cost you thousands of dollars. or hundred or tens of thousands of dollars to produce.

>> It's it's a big deal. You have to have

>> access to to baby, you know, you know, small mice, mice, ASFs. If not, you're you're up shitz Creek. An adult could go a while without eating, right? But a baby cannot.

>> It's a big big problem.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, and on the topic of rodents, what has been the primarily choice of prey item? Like do you like to just do rats? Do you do mice then rats? Do like what do you like? One or the other?

>> Uh, I mostly do rats. Uh, for my first first feeding to my hatchlings, I mostly do a mouse fuzzies and then I start from fuzzies and then go to hoppers and then I switch it to mouth uh rat fuzzies. So adults I mostly do all rats but there are some like adults who doesn't eat rats. Then I like offer them mice. But ASF, I really like to have it, but it's illegal in Korea. So the only two things right now.

>> Yeah.

>> Damn. And um I was going to say even if you get it frozen thaw, it's still legal there

>> for ASF. Yes.

>> Damn. Heavy.

>> I mean, you go around that. I mean I mean meaning that it doesn't matter at the end of the day.

>> Yeah. It's not like you can't have success with rats.

>> You know, mice mice and rats built the reptile game,

>> especially with ball pythons, man. a ball python. I feel like it doesn't matter. I really don't. I really don't.

>> Um, but but from what I've seen with other species, like with condro and whatnot, like the way a condro digest is an ASF compared to a rat, it's like night and day. Um, and and you know, I would just would think after looking at what I'm looking at, condro designed like ball pythons. Um, you know, just their digestive system. I feel like you know, uh ball pythons are very tank-like. like they're [ __ ] they're hardy, dude. You could overfeed a ball python and get away with it. Um, you're just not going to do that with a condro. And so a rat is a very heavy prey item. That's why I feel like majority of the condro keepers here in America do like to choose m like like mice. I like rats no matter what. And I feel like there's a way you can do rats, but as for condos is the best. There's no better diet I feel like out there 100%. Um, but on the topic of that, are other species like condro or emerald treeboas something that you think could get popular over in your in your part of the world? Do you at some point? You think?

>> Uh, Amazon Tribos, right? No, there there is a friend uh who imports like snakes from Europe like Amazon tree or something. But

>> I think it's a small market also for treeos. But I think uh designer more for green tree pythons will there it has a possibility to blow up in Korea like the blue ones you know like and the like the heavy pattern stuff.

>> I'm really looking forward for it like some sometimes if I expand my facility then

>> maybe I'm thinking to hit me up. All right, we'll

>> we can work some out player. Um,

>> okay.

>> That's that's this coming year. I got some crazy stuff I'm going to be pairing this year. So, um, but yeah, that's cool. That's cool. See excited to see. Listen, we got to cut to commercial break, okay? So, we we'll be right back. You guys do me a favor. Hit that like button. Please check out this uh quick uh sponsor commercial break and we'll be right back. Thank you.

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>> No, I'm good.

>> Okay, cool. Um, so you know, or organization app like Clutch, like we just heard about right now on the sponsor. Um, is there anything like that that you're using or anything to like kind of be cutting edge organized wise to show your customers? Like, is any of that popular yet?

>> Uh, I think I'm waiting for uh I talked with Justin about Clutch. Like he's working on some like translation stuff.

>> Sweet.

>> Maybe soon. But the thing is I think like promotionwise there there is like a best timing for me to put it out. I could put out Clutch and then promote Clutch like for organized wise but I'm doing a shed testing uh uh thing with Justin and RGI right now exclusive in Korea. So

>> Wow, cool.

>> Yeah, right now the Korean breeders are they have to use Clutch to apply for the shed testings. So they but they only use for chef testing right now. They they are really having a hard time. The first time when like I put out the business they were like how can I I can't understand English. So I had to like get in the phone and then like okay, click this, kick this, kick this. So that's the problem with like uh clutch uh not clutch like Korean people. Not a problem but it's that kind of thing. So

>> I'm waiting for the yeah translation thing to get out and then when that get out then I am starting

>> I will start to use clutch as like a organization app. So that's how I could use it and then like when I use it then I can see like how it all works and then I could put out a promotion. So like I really support Justin. So

>> that's awesome. So, so obviously not only are you a fan of being organized, but you're a fan of wanting to prove a lot of the work that you're working with, such as shed testing. So, shed testing you feel like is very important to a lot of what we do. You think?

>> So much important. I think it's

>> You hear that guys?

>> SO MUCH.

>> SO MUCH IMPORTANT. [laughter] I would have to agree with you. I really would.

>> Yeah. It's a whole another level. Like Yeah. It's so efficient for me. Like it's really blowing up in Korea. first time there were like people who like was like uh like I just want to prove it out when like if it's adorable or something like I just like I trust my eyes and then I started a business and then like I sold like for example I sold a red stripe no stranger slot nose head clown possible redst stripe 50% head monsoon and then my he sent it the sheds to RGI through me and then he proved out 10 monsoon and redstripe so it became like huge. I didn't charge it for 50% monsoon. So like like these kinds of results are really coming out more in more in Korea and then people are like really into shed testing right now. I almost did like 100 sheds maybe like in the past few months like it's really big. It's not big compared to you guys but in Korea like 100 shed is like it's super big. So next year there will be more and more but I don't know like how Justin will do like I don't know what his plan is but if he says like okay we are doing keep doing shut testing through clutch or through RGI or through other companies I just follow him like okay then I'll just do my thing in Korea like so

>> I mean, it's that easy I feel like I mean not that it's easy you still got to do the work but like Justin formula like his his blueprint is like [laughter] it's pretty [ __ ] notably like the way to do it. Let's be real.

>> Yeah,

>> guys. Guys, anyone that's raising an animal to see if it proves out in 2025,

>> just you're just shoot you're shooting yourself in the foot.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> It's cuz dude, we can't get time back. That's what we're what we're what we're trying to think of is like the years saved. Okay. The space saved. Not having to feed a snake that you don't have to feed saved. [clears throat] You know what I mean? like your problems are solved in so many different ways when it comes to shed testing, you know? Um, and you know, I think we're going to I think we're going to get to a point where like if you're not shed testing, you're a [ __ ] caveman. You know what I mean? Like [laughter] because it's like doesn't make sense. It's kind of like why wouldn't you quarantine or why wouldn't you like give a receipt or an invoice to somebody? It's kind of like that. It should be that 101 textbook like hello shed testing is how the [ __ ] you you move in this hobby. You know what I mean?

>> Yeah. It costs like so you guys can shed test for like maybe like $40 like $30 I don't know $50 but

>> uh I do all the papers for I I export to site through site papers so that cost me money and then like FedEx or something they use like a broker it cost me a lot so per shed it take like it charges $40 extra so my customers and all the breeders in Korea if they want to Yes, it's like minimum $90, but when I launched it, they was like, "It's that cheap. It's so cheap." And then like they they don't complain about $90. They were like super happy with it. If it's more cheaper, if I could make it more cheaper, then it's good for me and good for my customers also. But like still, they're they don't have complaints right now with the price. If it's $9, it is. If you don't want to test it, I don't care. If you want it,

>> hit me up. Like that's it.

>> Yeah. But you know like again like it's it's only in your favor as the customer to shed test for sure.

>> Uh, yeah. Yeah. I I allow all the people like if it's okay they have to be in my community room in in the WhatsApp Korean WhatsApp thing because I have to organize everything. That's the only thing that I say like if you want to sh come in because I have to keep it all organized like I don't want to like get all the contacts from like outside of my community and then like I have to organize everything like it's it's hard for me. Yeah.

>> Yeah, I would agree. Uh, what do you got?

>> Hey, so getting back into genetics. Um,

>> do are do you currently work with tornadoes?

>> I don't have any. Okay. [laughter]

>> I really want some.

>> Yeah, I am. I am. I saw I saw some tornadoes at I I went to Justin place, so I I

saw a tornado. >> You saw that adult female. >> Yeah, >> I saw it. I saw it last year, too. I was like, >> yeah. Okay. But but you know, I'm still waiting. >> Yeah. >> There there I think there should be a best timing for me to buy one of those. Like if if Justin offers me, then he offers me. If he says no, then no, I'll just wait. Yeah. So >> future right there, man. That and Cosmos. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, how is the Granite stuff doing over there? Like, you know, since we're on that topic, you feel like that's just still kind of very behind the curve and untapped like you guys will get there at some point or is it already kind of making an impact? >> Everybody wants Cosmos right now. also in Japan and in Korea both. So, but I'm the only one who has Cosmos right now. So, >> Damn, what a flex. I love it. [laughter] >> That's Yeah, >> no. Go ahead. >> No, next year I am only going to sell a few in Korea because I don't want to like overpower it in Korea because it's a code. So, >> yeah. Yeah, easy to win. >> I will send Yeah, I'll send some to Japan to maybe Satoshi, but I don't know. I don't know. I have to hit one and and then if somebody wants it from the US or like the states or Europe or I could export it like it's better me for export Cosmo stuff, but there are many people who wants Cosmos right now in South Korea. So, it's big. They love the granite stuff right now. Like I don't know like pixel it's just and stuff it's I think it's not that popular right now in Korea but Cosmos is really huge but there's not for there's nothing for sale right now for Cosmos so it's like kind of everybody's waiting for it in in Asia also like in Thailand or in in Japan or everybody. So >> I haven't heard I haven't heard Pix in a long time. What what's going on with that Jean? >> I don't know. Like I I really didn't see much of it. So I was like, >> "What about what do you think of Zebra?" >> Zebra H. I like it. [laughter] >> Okay. To be honest, I saw I didn't really like it as a photo wise. I saw a photo and I went to Justin's place and saw the spot-nose yellowbelly zebra clown. >> Yeah. >> It was way much better than a photo in seeing it in person. The colors were really different, but the the patterns were not that impressive to me. So, like I'm not really a fan of zebra clowns, but I find it really nice. But like, but Satoshi liked it. He was like, "Oh, I have to have zebra." I was like, "Okay, go ahead." [laughter] >> From what I from what I've seen, and no disrespect, maybe we just aren't there yet with Zebra, but it's just not that extreme of a visual. Like I want I want to be like, "Oh my god, like >> that's a zebra." You know what I mean? But I just kind of I see kind of cool patterns and and I you But you know, I see I've seen Jaguar [ __ ] that I've liked. I'll tell you that much. Um true. >> I've seen some crazy Jaguar [ __ ] from Justin. >> Tornado again that we just mentioned is [ __ ] a whole another level. Like that's the kind of stuff that makes me think like, "Oh my god, where are we heading here?" You know? >> Let me let me jump in here real real quick. I agree with MJ. I like Jaguar more than I like True. Me too. >> Yeah. >> Uh I don't know like everybody likes clown and clown is like the king for in in the industry. So like >> if something else like puzzle or like other like I don't know other cheese driver tornado or the recessive reacts good with zebra then it will be really good like for monsoon. I don't know like monster zebra will turn out but like if if somebody makes like kind of a innovative thing about zebra or like either than zebra like other like other stuff then it will really blow up but I don't want to be the first person to do that. So I did it with sunset exantic so that's it for me. So [laughter] yeah >> speaking of uh monsoon how's monsoon you know how do people >> in South Korea >> in South Korea? Yeah. So they some people really love it, some people are kind of they don't love it. So it's kind of like a 5050% thing. And then I f I'm working with monsoon too, but I find it really hard to me. It's it's kind of a really hard project like sunset for me because like I like the dark stuff and dark stuff is really trendy also in Japan and in Korea. But you know like stranger monsoon washes out everything the pattern. So like if Sanger Monsoon Chi Chai did like kind of good in Monsoon, but you know like I don't know if black pastel will work. I don't know if like black head will work. I have a I recently hatched a blackhead head head monsoon like females. I kept it back. I don't know how it'll turn out but it could wash the pattern out but I don't know. It's kind of tough for me. So but I know that the mandarin monsoon will look good. So, I kept some like double head monsoon clowns last year that I hatched. I'm using it all not to a double head monsoon clown male. I'm using it all to the mandarin head monsoon to get some combo mandrin monsoons 50% head clowns. And then I'm all going to settle down and watch how the monsoon clown uh reacts with other codones and then decide if I'm going to head to the monsoon clown stuff or just like settle down with like bright stuff. Yeah. >> Or mix it with bright and dark. >> I think you hit it right on the head. Um, I don't like any of the real dark monsoon combos. Um, the ghi ones that Justin hit were were on point. Those are really nice. >> But yeah, the other ones are just wiping the pattern out. And you know, I don't want to be taking away from the animal strength. Just like with puzzle, I want to see puzzle pattern. Uh with monsoons, I I love >> I love monsoon pattern that that I need to keep that. So we need to make the brighter and better, >> not dark, destroy it, you know. >> Yeah, I saw the aantic monsoon that was hatched in Japan recently. Some breeder hatched the TSK exantic monsoon. He didn't like reveal it out of the egg. He just cut the egg and then like posted on story the Instagram story. It's a TSK monsoon. It was it was really nice looking for me. So I find it like the exantic DG monsoon will look really good. But like the thing is for me I know it's going to look really good and it's going to be popular. the exantic DG monsoon or the exantic DG monu clown. But like I'm kind of like what's the next step then? Exactantic DG clown have the next step like putting stranger or like putting like Wookie like putting Kraken and stuff into I know it's going to look good like just to make the confusion spot nose but like for me like what's the next step of exantic DG monoon what's the next code or recessive to put in like now I'm like kind of like okay spot nose will work good or like other leopard mojave will look good eventually because leopard mojave monster is really good but like I can't think of like many much like as eciguant DJ clowns. So, I'm like >> kind of heading to the Mandarin and the dark stuff and the orange stuff right now, >> bro. Hey, bro. I'm going to need you to send me I'm gonna need you to send me that picture later. Okay. I haven't seen that. >> I will. >> I will. >> Is that a gantic monsoon? >> Yes. I need to see that. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Double heads and triple heads growing up for that stuff. So, I >> Okay. I would have bugged you to see if it was an exantic sunset because I know that's gonna look like, [laughter] >> "Hey, hey, hey, at least we're in the game for it, bro." >> I know. >> Yeah. >> Hey, listen. I'm in the cheap seats. Just [ __ ] comedy. Don't worry about me. Um, I'm throwing popcorn at you guys. Like, but listen, >> but dude, how far are we again? Or you you have a chance to hit some Extantic Sunset stuff here soon, right? >> Yeah, next year I'm just pairing the triple hit eantic sunset clown to the triple hit exantic sunset clown. >> How many girls? >> And >> I have three girls but only one girl proved out to be triple head and other twos are just sunset eantic. So I have >> Hey man tell you even if you hit the double visual bro >> I gotta see it. >> Yeah >> we need to see that. >> I wish I wish I wish Yeah. >> Yeah. But going back to the point you made, I think I think it's important for people to realize like there are certain projects out there that get capped out um sooner than others. Um and again, I still think it's like a you got to put a lot of work before you kind of get capped out in an exantic project, but it's going to happen a lot quicker than it would in a [ __ ] Super Mandarin project or something that has more color because I feel like black and white can only go so far. Um, but but there's again there's a [ __ ] ton of room to be done in the black and white. Like Eantic is it's just now starting. But again, you make you make your perfect guy. I feel like you could easily make the perfect eantic combo that should not be messed with. Like once you make that, it's like, dude, you're done. You're done with one, you know? >> Yeah, true. >> Which is fine, you know? >> I think like the asphalt and the gravel stuff will be huge. >> Yeah. in Exantic. I saw the super asphalt exantic. It was like mind-blowing. So, I'm heading that way, too. Yeah. So, >> let me tell you guys, um, that animal that Justin hit, the Spotnos yellowbelly u spotnose yellowbelly >> confusion >> DG confusion DJ exantic clown. >> I mean, that that's that's perfection. Like, where do you go from there? That is >> a perfect snake. Perfect. Yeah, it's it's mind-blowing. It's in person. It was like >> now Justin has to see, okay, where do I go with this? Because, bro, that that animal's incredible. >> I don't know. Maybe he'll pair the tornado and then make some quad hits. I don't know. [laughter] >> So, you're yet to have tornado in your collection, correct? >> Yeah, I don't have one. I don't have a head tornado. I don't have any tornadoes right now. I really want one. So waiting for it. Yeah. >> What would be your ideal tornado project? Like if you had tornado in your project, I'm sorry. If you had tornado in your collection right now, where would you put it? >> Actually, I will make quadheads for sure or DJ cloud first. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then I don't know like with with Cosmos, I think it could be some like overpowered so much granite. So, I don't know if I'm going to pair it, but like I'll work on some I think it will work really good in clowns like Cosmos did. It's I think it's more like a busy pattern than Cosmos the tornado stuff sometimes. So, I think it will really work out with with clowns. So, I will first like I I really want to make it everything simple. So like Cosmos doublehead DG clown the female I could use it use it to like multiple Kodoms DG clowns but I didn't I just paired it to the exantic DG clown because I think right now the Cosmos clown like in single like the really busy pattern the Cosmos whitewing clown I think it's like the most prettiest uh combo right now in the cosmos. I really like this. Yeah, >> I was gonna say I've seen some not so hot Cosmo combos at Justin's. Um, >> yeah, >> but then I saw some that were like, "Oh, wow." So, I'm wondering like I'm because you said you you even mentioned like I have a really prettyl looking Cosmo. Um, and that is a nice looking one, but you even know there's some not so prettyl looking Cosmos out there. So, are you are you focusing on the line of quality like like you want to make sure that if you are working Cosmos, it's a nicel looking one. Yeah, for sure. For sure. >> Yeah. Uh PE I think some like data like repo or like other readers I saw some cosmos on the table from Tinley. Uh I think if many like I will hatch a lot of cosmos next year because the male I have two males and then the male is already working for me. I did like 16 females pairing with exantic gigi clown this season and I had 12 ovelations. So I had a really huge success with it. I'm going to do the same method that I use with the cosmos double t male. So I'll have so many datas and Justin will and other breeders will and then we will know why the quality difference happens in the cosmos. So I can't guarantee what's really happening right now. it's a if it's a quality difference or another genius is like affecting the Cosmos. But I really want all my customers to know the truth or like say that I I want to sell high quality Cosmos. So like I'm really focused on >> there there could be a small potential for there to be a piggyback >> uh situation like with other things, right? >> Yeah. True. Yeah. >> Well, I'll tell you what. We all know who has the prettiest cosmos, and that's the dude who [ __ ] was sitting on these for years. Is Ralph, right? Ralph. Ralph. Am I saying his name right? >> Yeah, Ralph. >> He's on. Yeah, >> dude. >> Rep is on, man. Shout out to him. I need to get him on the show. But when he You see the Cosmos that he recently posted on his stories. Oh my god, bro. Like >> it's like like he's way ahead. Like he's he's doing that. He's doing that [ __ ] morph right over there, dude. He really is because I tell you, we we ain't seen anything close to that [ __ ] over here yet. Not even close. >> And I think that's that's a smart man right there for sure. >> Yeah, he he's working hard on that. So, >> he really is. He's been loyal to that for a minute. Um, but it's crazy to see where he's at with it already, you know? >> So, I think Yeah, it has a really big difference from the quality wise. Like I really want to see like what is causing that. It's like is it just like cosmos? Like if it's like one gene, it's like is it just the cosmos like variations >> in the same clutch or is it something else affecting it like something like I don't know like img stuff like I don't know if it's really true but like something else like like the black exantic thing like like there are some ts are not that dark but there are some are really dark if it'sing it. >> Yeah. >> Or Yeah. If it's like I don't know like something like that. So the >> it could it could be as something it could be something as simple as >> a low-level granite interaction helping >> uh >> you know a a cosmos uh even a monsoon right >> uh there's there's also rumors of >> you know there being another piggy a piggyback gene in monsoon as well so this wouldn't be something new. Mhm. Actually, like to be honest, >> uh I went to all the collections from Justin and saw like some records of something. I personally think I'm not I don't have the data, but like I was seeing all the stuff and I was like it could be like a two gene. Like I'm just guessing. I'm like kind of like the the high quality stuff. It could be a two gene or it could be just a just a single gene. But I thinking like it's really hard to hit. So recently from Japan, the guy called T do reptiles, he he had he imported some Cosmos stuff and he imported really high quality Cosmos stuff and he was telling like there were like six clutches or something or five clutches and then I only hit like two or three good Cosmos and then from Justin like yeah he only he hit like kind of less for the high quality stuff. So >> yeah. I think there is something. Yeah, >> we we have to be careful with saying there's another gene because I feel like a lot of people in the market now they're reaching by calling >> something another gene that you can't separate, you know. >> So, let's say now they're there's another one they're saying split >> can't separate it, >> you know. I saw a picture recently where it looks like some random uh jungle uh for the most part. Um, the fractal gene, it could just be a an an added added genetic uh granite. >> Um >> maybe the same thing with what we're talking about with Cosmos. So it it might be that we never know >> and it's just bouncing down and making this animal look better and this one >> not not as good because it doesn't it it's not in there. So again speculation, right? So >> yeah, we don't know. It's nature. So we have to have the data and all the information is next year. Yeah, because for for example, hurricanes have been hit for eight plus years >> and now >> the guy that originated so-called gene is trying to say that, you know, he's he's IDing everything with the extra gene, which he for eight years wasn't able to ID or even reproduce it by itself. I mean, >> you know, >> yeah, I don't want to make any issues, but like >> No, no, >> there should be some information. Yeah. So, >> just having a conversation. >> Hey, hey, as we say, don't shoot the messenger. All right. >> Not at all. Not at all. We're just having a conversation. It's just stuff that's never gonna go away, you know. >> No, and that's that's just a case of it. Um, but anyways, okay, wrap-up topic of the episode. I'll go first and we'll hit Amelio's wrap-up topic. Um, I'm curious, man. We didn't really kind of talk about like what's your day-to-day like, you know, what's a typical day look like for you? Um, are you full-time reptiles? Do you have a side, not side gig, but I mean, do you have a nineto-5? Like, what's a day-to-day like for you, bro? >> Actually, now I am a university student right now. It's my last year right now. So, >> Wow. Wow. So, you go to school? >> Yeah, I do. >> Not Not much. Not much. like only like two times or three times a week >> to study what >> for like music. I am actually Yeah, I was a music producer in Korea. >> What kind of music? >> That was my first >> I you usually did K-pop so I did like ghost riding stuff and I have like a small studio nearby my facility but now like I was kind of like music was really big for me. It was kind of good money too. But my I did it both. So I was like going the same direction as I was 5050 and then like when my business really grew and then like I travel to the US or the Japan then I was like this is way much fun than making music. So now now I don't have really time to make music cuz I have to attend school and then I have to do all the tasks that my school do and then prepare for my exams and then I have to take care of my snakes and my exports and my business. Just mostly like every week is really packed especially in the seasons like in summer to fall. So >> yeah, >> now I'm like kind of like stepping out of music, but I'll do like uh what was it like a album? Maybe I want to make an album in winter because I only wrote like produce music to other people's in Korea. So >> that's awesome. >> Yeah. Yeah. So maybe I don't know like if I'm going to go on with music, but now I don't really have much time. So in winter winter seasons it's not like babies hatching and stuff. So I c I could have some time. So I'll I'll work like two months or three months in music and then decide if I'm going to continue it or not. But the the rent fee is really high in my studio. So I have to get rid of it because I want to do other business like >> coco business or like I imported ars right now last year. So I'm I go I want to do some more imports. So I have to have a place like a storage place for me to rent. So that will cost a lot. So I have to get rid of that studio. So I'll be just >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> That's interesting. Yeah. I have I have a little bit of a music background myself. Um, I can't I just I can't help but to ask you like do you make did you make these tracks like on Ableton or ProTools or like what what program would you were you using like to make a a K-pop track? >> I use only Ableton. >> Nice dude. Yeah. I went to school to use a so nice respect. >> Yeah. Intro. I don't Okay. I'm g stop bragging about myself this one. But that intro that I played, I remixed that song. That was that I made that. It's unreleased. >> Oh, really? [laughter] Okay. >> People ask me to all the time and I I legally can't because the label didn't want me to release it, so I could never really put it out, but I could, you know, I can myself. I just can't sell it, you know. Um, >> yeah. >> Anyways, that's neat. And I will tell you what, bro, like my big before the reptile world, my dream was to be a full-time DJ, producer, house music. But now that I do this, I wouldn't te I wouldn't ch I wouldn't trade what I do now for anything in the world. Like this what I do outdoes anything I've ever done in life. I promise. This is the funnest place to be is the reptile hobby in my eyes. Period. >> True. >> Yeah. >> True. >> Me too. >> All right. What you got, Biggie? >> So you said the the gecko market is what 90% of the reptile market right now in Korea, South Korea. >> Yeah. Crested geckos is like maybe 80% and then like 10% is like leopard geckos and fat tail geckos and the other species like luchianos and like other things and then like ball pythons is really up like this year I like many many uh new breeder like came in like new hobbyists came in. All right. The reason the reason I asked you for that percentage is because what is your goal for the ball python >> percentage to be in five years? >> Uh five years. >> Yes. >> It has to be over then Chris. But it's like it's it's reality is reality. So I'll just do 50% is like super fine for me. It's I'll be so happy. >> I think that's very doable. Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So, so like the reason like people like people got into ball python business this year I think and in business-wise because uh some breeders my breeder friends in Korea they made some exports happen like this year like for me like I'm I'm doing mostly high-end stuff and like kind of big volume in Korea. So like they all know that I'm going to make experts and I did but there were some like like maybe their their name their name is like team wave and they have like a community there are like five breeders or four breeders as one team and then they made one export to Japan and then like people outside of the ball python industry was like oh like they had some success and like we can all do it and then they were like getting in and also when I made my first expert they were like okay we could do it. So everybody's getting in right now and like it's hard because like most of the people really like high-end like in Korea like if you don't do high-end it's hard to survive. So >> I like that. >> Yeah. If you don't do high-end it's hard to survive. I feel like that's like a that's like the the life I live. I swear to God. [laughter] just I'm just saying like okay if you work with something why not work at the best capability of it and and like shoot for that and you know I've come a long ways and I feel like we all start somewhere right but god damn it like I never want to settle like I and that's why if you're that type of person the ball python game is perfect because it's endless like it's how [ __ ] crazy do you want to go it's up to you and and and with condos is the same thing I feel like condos are nowhere nearly as advanced in the hobby as ball pythons are But they will get to a point where it's going to be something similar like what we're dealing with now, you know, day by day. But what's even more exciting is like where ball pythons are currently for you where you live. Like that's and where you're at your position, bro. Like if you stay where you're if you keep doing what you're doing in the next five years, bro, you're going to be such a force to be reckoned with in the hobby, not only just in where you're from all around, like around the world, you know what I mean? >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Five years. Five years. Nothing, bro. Five years. We'll [ __ ] blink five years. Like five years in this game is nothing. It goes by very quick, you know, which is crazy. But >> what a good episode, man. Um, this was a good time. I appreciate it. Um, we do have hot seat questions for you. Are you Are you familiar with hot seat questions? Do you know how this works? >> No, I don't know what's a hot seat question. >> So, I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions and you got to answer them as quick as you can. Okay. Um Okay. >> It's like rapid fire. It's like boom boom boom. Okay. And then and then I'll get to then I'll get to a certain point where it's a word association. You just say the first thing that come to mind and I'll say whatever word. Okay. And then you're then you're gonna go to the big E gauntlet. You're going to go to the [ __ ] >> Take it easy. I'm gonna take it easy. >> Oh, he's not probably not >> a little bit. A little bit. >> I would get a pen and paper ready when you go to Alio. That's all I got to say. Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. >> But guys, do me a favor. Let's get the likes button uh smash for this episode because this is historically uh awesome that you're on this [ __ ] network and you're from South Korea. So, anyways, get the likes buttoned up. Hot seat questions coming in hot. And like I said, um, Son, the quicker the better. Rapid fire. Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Here we go. Hot seat questions coming in hot. Let's go. Frozen daughter or live? >> Live. >> A cut or no cut. >> What's that? What's a cut or no cut? >> A cut. Would you cut an egg or not cut an egg? >> Oh, cut. Cut. >> On what day? >> Uh, 55. >> Okay. Do you know what a neo is? Do you know what a a neonate is? Like a neo, like a baby snake? >> Uh, no. >> Okay. Well, they call baby condondro Neos, right? So, if you had to pick, would you pick a red baby conro or a yellow baby condro? >> What's a conro? Is it >> a green tree python? I'm so sorry. Yeah, green tree python. Same. >> I don't know much of it, so I don't know. [laughter] I don't know how it'll turn out. Like, what's the difference of it? >> Red or yellow? What would you want? >> Red. >> What an answer. Okay. Pre for Okay. Sorry. Yay imports or Boo imports. >> Import. >> Yay. Imports. Okay. What would What would be one reptile you would love to import to your collection? It could be any reptile or it could be anything. Anywhere around the world. What would you What would you import? >> I'll import the designer moors of like the blue ones of the G green tree pythons. >> Wow. I did not pay him to say that, by the way. That's epic. Um, okay. To spray or miss a ball python or to not spray and miss a ball python. >> I don't spray. >> I got This one might throw a little curveball at you, Bob, but I'm going to test your I'm going to test your lingo here. Ready? All right. Big flexer or no flexer. >> What What's that meaning? Do Do I spend my many money to you could do that? Are you you you flex or you not a flexer? Like do you Okay, in other words, you like to show off or do you don't you don't like to show off? I don't really like to show off. >> Okay. Your collection your collection says otherwise. Just so you know. All right. Just >> Oh, my collection wise I like to BUT THERE YOU GO. OKAY. WHEN IT COMES TO HIS COLLECTION, he likes some flex. I like that. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Moving forward. Steak or fish. If you were to eat >> steak. >> Steak. What's your favorite cut of steak? >> Maybe like ribeye. I don't know. Like there's a specific word for Korean, but I don't know if it's the same as rivi, but I really like wagyu. Like Japanese Wagyu stuff. >> Yeah, it's really good. >> Bomb. That's that. >> All right. Favorite genre of music? >> Hip-hop. Right now, hip-hop. >> Nice. Who's your favorite hip-hop artist >> right now? I really listen to Playboy Playboy Cardi recently. >> Damn. Hell yeah. Like, okay, we talking old school Playboy Cardi or some of his newer stuff? >> Both. Both. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Both. >> Both. They're completely different. That's why I asked that. >> Yeah. They're they're different. Like recently, I really listen to the the OPM all of like Destroy Lonely and all all of the stuff. Ken Carson. It's really good. But like for Cardi, like I like both actually. I really respect his like thing. >> All right. Well, respect. All right. Little word association. You got to say the first thing to come to mind. You ready? >> Okay. >> Milk. >> Good. pair's good [laughter] Oreos. >> I mean, you're not lying. Uh, >> okay. >> All right. Morph Market >> wanted in Korea. >> Least favorite incomplete dominant. >> Uh, spider >> number one recessive. >> Clown. >> Um, number Okay. Number one. What's your favorite state in the country? state uh is Georgia Atlanta. >> Yeah, you can just do Georgia. >> I don't know. I don't >> Okay. All right. We're You got two more. You're almost done. Two more. >> Okay. >> First thing, you can't cheat. So, say the first thing that come to mind. You ready? >> Okay. >> Scrambler. [laughter] >> I don't know what's going on with it. [laughter] >> Amen, brother. All right. Last but not least, and then Alio's turn. Coolest reptile network in the world. >> Network. What's it podcast? >> Yeah. What's the coolest one? >> Yeah, I like that. You could say it. What is it? >> Trap top. >> There it is. >> All right, fam. >> The questions I asked you were for a reason, sir. >> Okay, >> here we go. >> Here we go. [laughter] All right. So, I'm gonna give you six recessives, and I'm only going to let you work I'm only going to let you work with three. >> Okay. >> All right. Clown, hypo, DG, exantic, sunset, and puzzle. Give me three. >> Clown. Was it DG in your list? >> Yeah. >> Clown, DJ. Exantic. >> Okay, that that's a really good pick. All right. >> Mhm. Um, I'm not going to do that to you where I make you keep one, you know. Let me move on from that. All right. >> Six. I'm going to give you six incomplete dominance. Okay. >> Mhm. >> You have to work with three. >> All right. You got to make a choice. Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Mandarin, Cosmos, Lace, Spinos, Redhead, and Special. This one's harder, I think. >> [snorts] >> Uh, Cosmos, Mandrin, poof, >> lace for sure. >> Lace. Yeah, >> I don't know. He's got some good red head, bro. >> Uh, I have, but now like I'm hard with Mandarin and Cosmos, so that's my two. I was like kind of spot nose or lace, but yeah, lace. >> Lace is the truth. All right. So, again, you said Mandarin, Cosmos, and Lace. >> Mhm. >> Okay. All right. So, these are some of my favorite combos, and I know you like them as well. >> You're keep two. >> I'm gonna ask you to keep one. DG Pompei DG Exantic I'm sorry spot nose yellow belly confusion DG exantic clown and super chocolate DG hypo clown pick two then pick one >> uh Pompei DG and spot nose yellow belly confusion exantic DG clown >> and then >> and then the one I'll pick my god I'll pick the Pompei DG. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. I have to say that that is >> that's one of the most beautiful animals I' I've ever seen. But meantic guy, I have to pick I have to go with the the spot-nose yellow belly confusion DJ exantic clown. >> But let me tell you something. >> Seeing that DJ Pompei, >> I mean, it made me want to work Pompei stuff. Yeah, it's amazing. As a result, like you're Okay, I don't mean to go off topic here, but hypo and that wouldn't be game changer. >> The Pompei DG with hypo. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> We already see what DG's doing to that pattern, which is great. So, imagine if hypo was in there. [snorts] >> Yeah, it's it's amazing. I think Justin already made that black pastel slot nose yellow belly hypo digg clown like something like three kodoms. >> I think that's >> it was perfect. >> That DG Pompei that we looked at Alio was hypo I think. >> Yeah, it was. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um it was already on it. He's already on it. >> That dude that snake >> he's unreal. >> I've never been I've never been big on Pompei. >> That snake blew out every other Pompei I've ever seen. ever like blew it out of the water. It's not close. It's It's They're not even on the same planet. >> I have a clutch right now. It's like my last clutch this year in the incubator. It's going to hatch in like three days. I could hit the Pompei DG head VPI exact. That's my >> that that clutch is really important for me. So, if I hit it, then it's going to be big. So, >> for me, like I'm really waiting for it. I really want to cut it right now. It's day 53, but I can't. [laughter] >> It was me. If it was me, I'd be in that [ __ ] [ __ ] two days ago. [laughter] >> Honestly, like it's like, okay, like I it's so it's so annoying because if you cut anything before day 56, they don't come out the egg. They just sit there. So, it's kind of like what's the point, you know? And and also too, like, you know, it plays tricks on you when they're in the egg, dude. It really does. Like you're better off just seeing the [ __ ] when they're out and then you'll know have. So I'm with you on that. I trust me. I know cutting >> could be cool, but just better off waiting. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. True. >> Yeah. All right. Are you done or is there more? [ __ ] What else you got? You got You don't have a You don't have a top 10 takeaway eight. You don't [ __ ] Are you sure? >> N I took it. [laughter] I didn't That's >> I'm just kidding. Hey Saman, what a great episode, man. And dude, your English is on point. This was this was awesome. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> We're definitely gonna do this again 110%. Uh because I want to tap in a lot more with what you have going on. Uh but for now, where can people follow you? Is Instagram the best place for people to hit you up if they got questions? >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Instagram. Instagram's the best. >> Finest Finest Pythons on on IG. >> Yeah, finest python. >> All right, I'll put the link description below, guys. Please go give him a follow. But again, thanks for spending some time here, Saman. Give it up. That's a wrap for finest pythons of South Korea, ladies and gentlemen. [applause] >> Thank you guys. Thanks for tapping in, man. >> Hey, great episode. Pleasure. >> Thank you, Simon. And enjoy your day. Okay. >> Okay. >> Later. Cool, dude. Man, what a great episode. What' you think? >> I I love to see um entrepreneurs building something from the bottom up. Um >> yeah, >> it's very easy for us here in comparison. Um, I I I'm a fan I'm a fan of seeing entrepreneurship and and starting from from [clears throat] the bottom and, you know, amazingly with with highowered animals, obviously. Uh, I'm I'm I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does and the South Korean market does in general. >> Bro, 24 years old. We just spoke to a 24year-old business owner who's in school. super >> [ __ ] what what an impressive individual. Very very humble, very calm, you know. Obviously, I think it's the culture over there. They're just a lot more laid-back like, you know, just, you know, versus like someone like me. But I'm just saying like, dude, very I I get so inspired talking to people like that. Um, and then I also get very happy about the ball python game as a whole. you like again like say what you want of the current events here in America but globally bro ball pythons are just taking over man they really are um and again he even said it like crescentic geckos are the [ __ ] the bread and butter over there but that let's see what happens in five years let's see what happens in 10 years we we'll see it's going to be a complete like you know even game I think over there so >> it's like it's like we always say you got to build it And [snorts] what's cool is bro is like you know where you're headed especially like dude who knows the clientele you're going to have in South Korea someday you know or anywhere around the world. I mean that's kind of what the whole game plan is. Um and you know being connected in a [ __ ] network like this bro that's all we're going to do is have the biggest players from all over the world. >> You know my goal going forward in in the long run is to build that world market. That that would be >> that we're doing it player. We are doing it. Player global trap is global and I thank you so much for being a part of this. >> Honestly, I I will tell you what I I wouldn't be as excited as I am with Ball Pythons if you weren't a part of this. You you you definitely keep me locked in. Um and I do appreciate your [ __ ] excitement because I know again 20 years deep, bro. And and we're just now starting to see [ __ ] >> because let me say this, man. You know, you mentioned some of the market situation, bro. I don't care. >> Yeah. Doesn't affect >> I'm here I'm here to make my projects. I'm here to make beautiful animals. >> And yeah, I'm going to make money here, you know, make money off this investment or this these combos or whatever. But bro, we're here to build the market, build build >> that next next uh generation of people that are coming in. And bro, I could care less about, you know, all the negativity. I don't care. I love what I do. I, you know, I know you love what you do. And >> yeah, >> that's it. It doesn't matter. >> Yeah. Hey, what do you Hey, hey, what do you have coming Wednesday though, real quick? >> HEY, TO FIND OUT, FOLLOW BILL NINO REPTILES ON IG or go subscribe. Actually, I feel like you got to subscribe to know what he's what he has coming Wednesday. >> A maniac. >> If you want Yeah, if you want to see those pictures, subscribe. V >> rap production. >> Vun. And also >> I would love >> and also to level up in the ball python game. If you feel a little lost, don't go join the Verino Reptile Patreon. [ __ ] set your [ __ ] up, >> guys. If you're going to get your first Condro, you got to get it from this guy here, bro. He's There's no Listen, he's my He's my brother. He's family. I love this guy. But I'm gonna say this. Show me someone that loves what he's doing more with the in the Condro game. Show Show him to me, please. >> Yeah. >> I don't see it. I want to bring him on the show if that's the case. Where where's that person at? [laughter] Would love to talk to him. But uh no, I appreciate you big dog. You're my boy. Brother Arena Reptiles, give it up. It's a WRAP FOR BIG TOP G. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, >> THANK YOU. Have a good night, bro. >> Love you, brother. Have a good night. Thank you so much. All right, guys. Thank you so much for watching and again, shout out to Saman South Korea. Any South Korea keepers, breeders that are watching this, respect. Uh keep growing the game and again, anywhere from any part of the world. Thank you so much for watching. Appreciate everyone in the live chat. You guys are beautiful. I didn't mention, but if you want exclusive content, if you want to get more behind the scenes, um, not every live will be available. 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