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And why do you support Trump?
>> Uh, well, after the Biden [ __ ] show, it's kind of hard not to.
>> Okay. Like, what's, what was so bad about Biden that made you want to support Trump?
>> Uh, the border. Uh, yeah, COVID. Dealing with COVID and, uh, the whole, uh, pushing LGBTQ down everybody's throats.
>> Okay. How were we pushing LGBTQ plus people down your throat?
>> I don't know. Put, uh, instead of celebrating Easter, we celebrated Transgender Visibility Day, and we had, uh, dudes with, uh, celebrate both their fake tits shown on the White House lawn.
>> We, we, we didn't have Christy Gnome on the White House lawn, Christy Gnome's husband on the White House lawn. Uh, but if you're referencing specifically people who, uh, were involved with, uh, like Trans Visibility Day under the B administration, there's nothing wrong with that. Um, there's nothing wrong with, no issue with grown men with fake tits flashing their kitties on the White House lawn. There's nothing wrong with that.
>> Wait, I didn't see anything that indicated that engaging.
>> I never saw, I never saw any.
>> I never saw any evidence specifically of individuals engaging in indecent exposure at the White House. Right. I'm referencing specifically, uh, like Donald, uh, like, uh, the fact that, uh, there is a Trans Visibility Day. There's nothing wrong with that. Um, if you're referencing, uh, like, at least broadly, uh, the idea that I, I guess, like, what, maybe we'll start with this. What are you trying to adjust broadly by claiming this?
>> What am I trying to adjust broadly?
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, I don't know what's, I mean, what do you?
>> What do you, what are you trying to address broadly by saying this?
>> Uh.
>> In response to what I said? Why? I, I don't, I don't see why we would, uh, our nation's leaders would be promoting this stuff on the, the largest, you know, stage in America just for everybody to see. Why?
>> Yeah. So, why are they pushing this down people's?
>> Celebrating Trans Visibility Day does not mean we didn't celebrate Easter.
>> And what's wrong with with celebrating Trans Visibility Day?
>> What's, why, but out of the two? Why would you pick Trans Visibility Day and literally have?
>> They celebrated both.
>> Did they?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. Next.
>> Are, are you mad they celebrated both?
>> Uh, more so the one than the other.
>> Okay. So, you're just, you're just mad that trans people were celebrated at all. That's really all it is.
>> Yeah. There's nothing to be celebrated there.
>> There absolutely is.
>> Is there, like, we need a whole month for gay pride? You think that's?
>> What's wrong with having a month for pride?
>> Uh, well, it's not a, uh, it's, it's, see, it's not an achievement. Your sexuality is not an achievement.
>> Pride's about expanding acceptance. That's what it's about. Yeah.
>> Well, they have, they have the same rights as everybody else, so they can.
>> But they're not treated the same as everyone else because, because people, man, because we celebrate that you're not, you're not disenfranchised heterosexuals, homosexuals. But you're not disenfranchised for being straight. And by the way, you know that gay people can have children too? Is right. So, there are plenty of straight people that exist today. There are plenty of straight people that exist today because of gay people. Did you know that?
>> Oh, yeah. Because of adoption, they can't create.
>> You understand that gay people have had kids through the context of IVF and through the context of intercourse, right?
>> Not through intercourse. How does that happen?
>> Yes, they have. There have been gay people. You know that you know that there are bi people, right? There are people who are bi and they are specifically attracted to men and women.
>> And they specifically can absolutely in the context of their relationships.
>> They go and have sex with the opposite sex and get pregnant that way. Right? Is that what you're saying?
>> Yeah, absolutely that happens.
>> That's the only way it happens, right?
>> It's not the only way that happens. There are people who are, there are people who are closeted and gay and specifically in relationships where they specifically do reproduce through biolog.
>> Yeah. Gay people and lesbian, lesbian individuals are in those situations because of the fact that it's stigmatized as a society. So we should not stigmatize being gay.
>> No, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't, I don't care if somebody's gay or not. My main issue with the LGBTQ is it mainly comes down to the T in there. And.
>> What's wrong with being trans? Arguing that like something wrong with being gay. Now you're arguing it's wrong to be trans. So what specifically is it wrong?
>> Well, it's, it's weird. It's, I mean, it is weird.
>> What do you mean by weird?
>> No, it, it just is. Now, let me finish. Hold on.
>> What do you mean by weird?
>> In an, in a free country, we are all free.
>> You can't answer that question.
>> I'm trying to continue what I'm saying. Yeah. And I'm asking you, what do you mean by weird?
>> Uh, it's not normal. I mean, if we went back, what does normal mean?
>> Like, literally, up until 2020, I had, I didn't know what a [ __ ] trans was. Like, I remember the first time I heard that.
>> What does normal mean? What does normal mean? You, there's a lot of things you don't know. You're not a smart individual. That, of course, that's true. So, what does normal mean?
>> Uh, okay. I'm trying, I was trying to continue.
>> What does normal mean? Can you answer questions?
>> Uh, I'm in my opinion, heterosexual. Not.
>> So, so normal doesn't mean heterosexual. Can you define normal?
>> Uh, I guess not antisocial. I mean, there's a bunch of things that could be.
>> Not antisocial. It's not antisocial to be trans.
>> I think it is. It's going against social norms.
>> How? Wait, what social norms?
>> Not being delusional.
>> Yeah, not being delusional.
>> So, it's not delusional to be trans. And also, it is delusional to be, is Trump delusional?
>> Maybe. I don't know.
>> Yeah, he literally does believe delusional things. So why are you okay with following something delusional?
>> I'm not.
>> You are. You're following Trump. You're okay with following someone delusional.
>> What, what, what is that? That Trump is, how is Trump delusional?
>> Yeah. He said the climate's going to start cooling, signs just doesn't know it yet. He said windmills are causing whales to die in numbers never seen before. He said that if Jesus were the vote counter in California, he would have won the vote against Joe Biden in California. He said that, uh, we should look into disinfectant by injection to fight COVID-19. He said we should nuke hurricanes to fight them. I mean, those are a bunch of different examples of utterly incoherent and delusional things that Trump has said.
>> Okay. All right. I don't, I don't exactly know about that stuff. So, I, I won't debate you there. I'll let you have that. All right. But when it comes to, okay. What were we even talking about? You kept interrupting me so many damn times. I don't remember what I was saying. When it comes to the trans thing, uh, okay. So, this is a free country. Okay. Okay. So, if you're an adult, you want to go, you want to go get some titties put in, you want to go mutilate yourself, go right ahead. That's perfectly fine, right? That's okay. You're, you're an adult. Leave the kids alone.
>> Okay. Is that? We're not, we're not pushing surgeries on children.
>> Uh, affirming care.
>> Yeah. Gender affirming care is not necessarily surgery.
>> Hormonal puberty blockers. What's a puberty blocker?
>> I have a question. Do you like clvicular? clvicular. Explain what is it.
>> Sorry, I'm just trying to see because there's a bunch of right-wingers that like him and he literally tells children to take testosterone replacement therapy.
>> No, I don't, I don't, I don't believe in that either.
>> Well, okay. So, do you think that children should be able to get access to anything and which affects their hormones?
>> No. Not unless they, they have some kind of rare, you know, something, whatever.
>> So, should I have been able to get access to Accutane as a 16-year-old through my doctor and my parents? What's Accutane?
>> It's a, it's something to prevent me from having acne.
>> There's other means. You don't need, you don't need that.
>> But this was prescribed by my dermatologist to be effective for me.
>> Okay.
>> Should I have been able to get access to?
>> That's not gender, that's not a gender affirming care. Men and women.
>> But, but it was for, but it was for my psychological health because of the fact that acne impacted my psychological health and I was doing this.
>> You're weak. You're weak, bro. So.
>> So, I'm, so, it makes me weak to want to have Accutane?
>> No. To, uh, allow your physical appearance to affect you that bad?
>> So, you think I'm weak because I want to better my physical appearance?
>> No. No, you can do that. How does it make me weak to want to better my physical appearance?
>> Well, you're talking about acne. It's.
>> Yeah. So I don't.
>> Yeah. So why is that wrong for me to want to get?
>> Okay, that's. And that's that's okay. So how does that have to do with affirming care? What does that have to do with affirming care?
>> Well, I think that it was for my psychological health and I should, and it affects my hormones.
>> And it affects your hormones. Okay. Well, I, I don't know anything about the certain medication that you're speaking of.
>> Okay. So, through the context of a doctor and through my parents, I was able to get access to Accutane even, even as a 16-year-old, right? If you think specifically that I should have been able to get access to that, or if you think that that should have been legal, then I don't understand why you would restrict trans people at that age from going through their parents and through their doctor to be able to get access to things that are clearly going to be psychologically beneficial to them.
>> Let me ask you this. So, you think say a 16-year-old that's a, we'll say a boy, 16-year-old boy that's confused and he thinks he's a girl. Do you think they should be?
>> That's not being confused. That's literally a, a, a trans woman or trans girl in this circumstance specifically. They have a legitimate identity, right? They have been through the context of a legitimate process with their doctor and through their parents for multiple.
>> Did you ask me? You asked me a question. I'm responding.
>> I wasn't, I wasn't done.
>> Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I thought you were done speaking because you asked me a question.
>> No. Okay. I said a 16-year-old, what did I say? A boy. A boy thinks he's a girl.
>> Uh, should it be okay for them to take a puberty blocker?
>> U, it should be absolutely okay for trans girls and trans boys to take puberty blockers given that they go through the context of a doctor. Yes, of course I do.
>> It's the same drugs given to keep.
>> I knew you were going to say that. You watched Matt Walsh's documentary. You know that those are at different dosages, right?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Radically different dosages. You know that that's a horrible argument because at different dosages, water can kill you.
>> It's, it's, uh.
>> Did you know at a certain dose, water can kill you?
>> Would you argue that it's wrong to put H2O in the water pipes because at a certain dose, water can kill you?
>> Hell of an argument, bro. Oh my.
>> But your argument is at a certain dose, it's chemical castration. That's not how it's used in every context. You understand that different levels? I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
>> Would it not be?
>> You maybe need to talk to a doctor for one second in your life because you've never been told that differences in the level of a certain drug completely change the effects that it has on your body. Okay? You should know that if you took any type of understanding of science, if you talked to anyone who works in medicine, you would know that that's true. But because you just want to sit up here and be willfully ignorant, you don't want to acknowledge that.
>> Being ignorant. You are, bro. You're, you're saying that a kid can can.
>> You watched Matt Walsh's documentary and ran with it?
>> They can, they can chemically castrate him to the, they're in.
>> Matt Walsh is a clown. It's not chemical castration. You have no clue what you're talking about.
>> A woman. Okay. What is a woman?
>> Oh, you see, he did the same thing. Olden is an adult human person. An adult human. I'm telling you that.
>> Identifies as a woman. Is that what you're going to say? No. Identifies as a woman.
>> Would you like to let me finish? You're cutting me off.
>> Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You don't like that, do you? Huh, buddy?
>> What's a woman? An adult human person that's committed towards the social and cultural norms are typically associated with female sex as a prescription of their gender identity.
>> You rewarded it.
>> So I have, so I have a certain definition that's coherent, like how he has no. So he's just, so he's just mad that I didn't run into some sort of trap that he wanted to outline and instead I had a meaningful way of actually addressing the trap that he thought he had me in. You're mad. Get cooked, bro. Get cooked. How does it feel to get absolutely cooked there?
>> You didn't get, you didn't cook [ __ ] bro.
>> You did. You got cooked, bro.
>> You got to turn the oven on to cook.
>> You said, you said, "What is a woman?" And I gave you a response. Now, let me ask you this question. What is a man? Answer this question. What is a man?
>> Uh, it's a human being with a penis.
>> Okay. Chromosome.
>> I have a question. Are you Christian?
>> I am.
>> God the Father, right? Does he have a penis prior to incarnation?
>> God. Jesus the Father.
>> No. Does God the Father Christ?
>> Does God the Father have a penis prior to incarnation?
>> Jesus had a penis.
>> Can you answer the question?
>> God is not a human.
>> So can you answer the question? So obviously he's not a a father then, right?
>> He doesn't, he.
>> So, so God the Father is not a father.
>> Wait. So is your view of all? He's our heavenly father.
>> So, so he is a father.
>> The reason we are all here. So God the Father is, so God the Father is a father without a penis.
>> Uh, he, he created all life.
>> But you just said God the Father is a father without a penis.
>> You said that in order to be a man that you have to have. Wait.
>> What's your religious belief?
>> Do you think that you have to be biologically male in order to be a father?
>> On planet Earth. Yes.
>> Okay. So let me be clear. Uh, you do think that there's a different notion of God that is social and not biological. And that's why you say God the Father is a father. You will not be willing to acknowledge this and you're going to try to deflect and act like I'm the one that's crazy because this just broke your brain and you have no response to it.
>> Mom that created me, same way that your father, your mom and created you.
>> Well, my parents aren't related, so I don't know why you decided to bring that one up.
>> I didn't, I didn't say they were.
>> You were trying to compare it to you. No, I was saying that my dad to my mom.
>> Yeah, I know. I understand. You were trying to, you were trying to compare my family to your family.
>> But I did, I said my parents aren't biologically siblings.
>> Did your dad, your mom, and they made you?
>> A good joke. Really [ __ ] good joke. So mature.
>> Yeah. Your, the person who's on the phone with me didn't even realize the joke because he's so intelligent.
>> I, I wasn't really listening. I was trying to.
>> I can tell. I can tell it clearly went right over your head. Your friend had to laugh at you in the background.
>> Yeah.
>> I wasn't. Yeah, I was laughing at you.
>> Yeah, bro.
>> Oh, wait. What were you laughing at me for? Did you fall into the same joke?
>> Delusional, bro. Delusional.
>> I got it because I'm the one that said something.
>> I didn't hear what the hell he said. Really? I was talking.
>> I, I couldn't hear them in the background.
>> That's okay. You're talking to me.
>> Okay. Would you like to respond then? Engage.
>> I didn't hear what you said, honestly.
>> I was talking and I just, yeah, tuned off. Go ahead and say the last thing you were saying.
>> Um, about how your dad, your mom, and that made you a man and a woman made you. That's what I, I'm pretty sure that's the last thing I was saying.
>> Yeah, but why were you saying that?
>> I don't remember now, man. You got me up.
>> Yeah, cuz, uh, you asked me if I was a Christian and yes, I believe in God. And you were asking me if God had a penis. Yeah, because, because you said that in order to be a father, you have to be biologically male. God's not biologically male. God the Father. Therefore, the notion of father you're using in this context is not biological. And the notion of father is social. So, you do at least understand that there is a social usage of gender and fatherhood that is independent of biology.
>> Okay. What's, what's your, uh, what's your religious belief? Do you believe in a god?
>> Oh, I'm an agnostic atheist.
>> Agnostic atheist. Those, those are contradicting. You know what agnos? What's, what's agnostic mean?
>> Means I don't know what caused the.
>> Atheist means you do know. Atheist means you do know that there is.
>> No, it doesn't. Let me please finish without.
>> Means you believe in nothing. You believe in nothing.
>> It sounds like, it sounds like you want to do everything but understand my perspective right now.
>> No, because so I can explain.
>> I found God. I was, I was the same.
>> Let me know when I can explain without you interrupting.
>> Well, you, you do the same thing. So I don't.
>> Yeah, but like I don't do so in the middle of your statement to to not understand your argument. I do so when I already understand your argument and it's going to be productive for the conversation for me to cut you off.
>> Explain to me the difference between atheist and agnostic.
>> I will. Agnostic means that you don't know what the cause of the universe is or cause of existence. Correct. Right. And atheist means that you don't believe that it's God. Okay? So I don't believe in a god and I don't know what the cause is of the universe making me an agnostic atheist. Those things are not contradictory.
>> All right, I got you. I'll give you that. Yeah, that's atheist means you don't believe in any god.
>> Yeah. And agnostic means I don't know. And I don't know. I don't believe are two different statements.
>> That's where I was at one point in time.
>> I'm glad I found my way and I hope eventually you do too. How old are you? I'm 23 years old.
>> 23. I didn't find God. I didn't start to find God until I was 25.
>> Okay.
>> Your point.
>> I'm just, I'm saying you've got time.
>> I, I don't think that I'm going to be religious anytime soon.
>> It's, yeah. Neither did I, man. I was, I remember I was 15 years old sitting in math class not paying attention when I, I came to the realization.
>> I can tell you God.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't paying attention. I didn't give a algebra.
>> I don't, don't worry. I, I graduated. I've got my.
>> Surprise.
>> But yeah, that's, I'm not trying to sit here and insult.
>> I am. I, I totally am right now because right now you're not engaging with any of the arguments that I've brought up and you've decided simply just a fearmonger about trans people.
>> It's not fearmongering.
>> I'm not fear. It is absolutely fear.
>> What did I say? What was my original statement? That if you're a grown adult, do what you want. This is a free country. Free country.
>> Yeah. You're, you're fearmongering and saying that we're pushing stuff on children. We're not pushing [ __ ] on children. You know what? Trump is trying to literally Trump is Trump is trying to literally pastor. He literally Trump Bible and tried to put it in schools. Okay. He's actively literally trying to push things on children. What are you talking about?
>> Yeah. The Bible used to be in in school and it should still be. So you want to push that on children?
>> Yeah.
>> Look, look who wants to indoctrinate children now. Look who wants to indoctrinate children now.
>> If you just even if you're not religious and you just follow by the moral code of the Bible, you everybody would live a better life.
>> I disagree.
>> Well, you're, you're.
>> I don't think my life, I don't think my life would be better if I waited to have sex until marriage. I don't think my life would be better if I never at all told a lie as a joke, right? Like if I ever, like me making a joke about specifically like little things and lying about that, that's not wrong. I don't think that's immoral. Me engaging in fornication is not wrong. I love that. Like dude, there are plenty of things that are absolutely amazing that make my life so much better that would be considered sins, which obviously I don't think are wrong.
>> Just because it feels good doesn't mean it's not a sin.
>> What's wrong with fornication?
>> It's lust.
>> Oh, it's not. If you're in a loving relationship and with one particular, I'm in a loving relationship with my girlfriend, I've been with for a while, we're not married. That's not lust. What do you mean by lust?
>> That's, that's, that's fine what you're saying right there. That's fine because we're all sinners. Even Christians, even the most devoted Christians.
>> Wait, but it's a sin under your worldview.
>> Yeah, I'm a sinner. I'm a Christian. I'm a sinner and I always will be.
>> Okay. So then why do you think you're any different than trans people or gay people?
>> No, they're sinners, too. And they can still be saved.
>> So then why do you why do you try to judge them so much differently than you judge everyone else? Because you don't judge Trump with that same standard. You don't judge Trump when he women when he specifically held liable sexually abusing women. When he brags about sexually exploiting women when he says he 10-year-old girl in 10 years he was held liable, held liable 2023. He was held liable in 2023 for.
>> Was it or was it a defamation case?
>> It was sexual abuse and defamation.
>> Oh, yeah. Which, uh, which one was he charged of? Convicted?
>> He was held liable of both.
>> Held liable. That's the difference though. And that was in a civil court, not a.
>> Why was it in civil and not criminal?
>> I don't know. You tell me.
>> Because of statute of limitations, which restricts someone from coming out and trying them in a criminal court, regardless of the amount of evidence after a certain amount of years. So that's not to say that it lacks evidence.
>> What year did?
>> 1985 or 1986.
>> Or 1986? We're not sure there, are we? 95 or 96. Yeah, that's totally normal for someone specifically who's who's accounting for a story that happened to them a while ago.
>> Why would somebody wait that long until somebody's wrong?
>> Because of people like you.
>> Because people like you don't believe them and harass them and go after them and like literally attack them and because of the society that we live in that literally, which by the way, you don't even believe E. Jean Carroll when she's even held him accountable in a civil court. So, you don't understand the pressures as to why people don't come out when you actively are perpetuating the system that causes people to feel that way in the very first place.
>> Okay.
>> And you won't understand that, will you?
>> No, I, I, I can, I can understand that how that can suppress people. Now waiting until a man is running for president.
>> It was after he, she accused him in 2019. This was after he was already president.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, he didn't. When did the, uh, the trial start?
>> Uh, after he was done running in 2020.
>> Yeah. Yeah. After he was out of office.
>> Yeah. And he was done running.
>> Either way, like I'm not, I'm not a Trump guy.
>> Okay. And you say like they as like some coordinated attack. You think like the Democrats coordinated with Eugene Carol in order to be able to hold Trump liable?
>> Oh, man. They, they, they were throwing a dart at a board trying to get any anything to stick.
>> You have literally no evidence of this at all. Would you like to provide a single source of that or is that just a trust me, bro?
>> You don't remember? I think you're giving me a trust me, bro.
>> No, there was no political. If there was political warfare, they would have released all of the Epstein files that they had access to, which Mayor Garland didn't do. I think because the DOJ was independent and Merrick Garland didn't release all of them. It's just something I hold Merrick Garland accountable for.
>> Which, by the way, it would then prove that the the DOJ was not weaponized under the Democrats.
>> If you have that question, you are proving that they did not weaponize the DOJ. Get destroyed on that point. Like you, you just literally, you run yourself into the point that destroys you there.
>> Okay.
>> Do you want to engage with that?
>> Uh, I, I don't have all the facts sitting in front of me to sit here and have an argument about that specific.
>> I don't either. That's just in my brain.
>> Oh, glad it takes up that much space for you. No, it doesn't.
>> So, do you want to like give me a reason why you support Trump now, given that's unreasonable?
>> I, I am happier today than I was during the Biden administration. Definitely happier with.
>> But your happiness has nothing to do with Trump being in office, right?
>> No, it does.
>> Okay. Why are you happier now that Trump's in office?
>> Borders secure. Uh, we're, uh, slowing down on the whole transit being pushed down everybody's throats. So trans, so trans people and immigrants, like, you, you'd scapegoat trans people and immigrants, and that's the reason why you're willing to support the billionaire adjudicated that is credibly accused by a minor in the Epstein files to a settlement with the Epstein that said he would date a 10-year-old girl in 10 years, that sexualized his daughter on countless occasions, that called for the termination of the Constitution, that called for the execution of some Democrats because they said to follow the law and to not follow unlawful orders, who pardon violent riders who beat police officers, who start a war with Iran causing your gas prices to go up, causing, uh, prices and inflation to be at 4.2% 2% according to OECD for the forecast year-over-year. So you understand that Trump has made practically every condition of your life worse off and you support him literally just because he makes you, you feel better. The Fifi in your tum tum feel better because materially, all right, the way that he's dressed, the border hasn't benefited you at all. Materially, what he's done in terms of trying to attack trans people hasn't materially benefited you. So what do you actually get out of this? Is it just a pat on the back? Is that, is that seriously it?
>> It's also his policy. The policies actually put in.
>> What specific policies?
>> The Big Beautiful Bill, Genius Act, Clarity Act.
>> Okay. Name one provision within the Big Beautiful Bill that you like.
>> Uh, the Trump accounts.
>> That's not in the Big Beautiful Bill.
>> Yes, it is.
>> No, it's not.
>> What's it in?
>> That's a whole separate bill that Trump brought up and proposed.
>> No, that was in the Big Beautiful Bill.
>> I don't remember that being in the Big Beautiful bill.
>> Well, look it up. Would you like to provide me a source of that in the big beautiful? Do you want a bet? Actually.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you want to provide me a source?
>> Well, I don't think I can look anything up while I'm.
>> Hold.
>> Sitting here talking to you.
>> Yeah, you can. I just won't be able to hear you while you look it up. I can thank some people while you look it up.
>> Is it?
>> Yeah. 12 pounds are.
>> Okay. Well, I, I do see it. I do see it. You're right. Actually, I didn't even know that this was in the Big Beautiful Bill. So, it's, um, I would say that this is a good thing. It's just a small portion of the bill.
>> Uh, so, you know what? I'll give you that. I do agree that's a part of the bill. Um, so, so I guess my question would be is then that, do you like the overall bill?
>> Uh, I mean, I think it will add to our national debt, but I, I think that's a, a spiraling out of control whether, whether or not Trump is in office or not. Every, every politician spends more than the last.
>> So Trump signed off on over four trillion more debt related spending than Biden did.
>> Right. And since he's got in office, he's also increased that level of debt related spending.
>> And by the way, Biden came after Trump.
>> Biden came after Trump spent more than Trump did. Trump spent more than Obama. Obama spent more.
>> Yes, that's a fact.
>> No, I explain why you're wrong.
>> More than the last.
>> Wrong. Biden spent less than Trump and Biden came after Trump.
>> Okay. No, Biden spent more than Trump in his first term. Trump is spending more than Biden is.
>> Wrong. I can send you to the committee for a responsible federal budget that Trump signed off on over $4 trillion of debt related spending more under his first administration comparative to Biden's administration.
>> The deficit spent more.
>> Deficit, the national deficit rose.
>> I'm referencing the debt due to Donald Trump imposing the debt, signing it into law. No, that's that's not.
>> Yes, this is from the committee for responsible federal budget. Look up Trump v. Biden, uh, committee for responsible federal budget, national debt.
>> You'll see that I'm right.
>> You're wrong.
>> Well, go ahead and do it. I'll, I'll thank some people in the meantime.
>> All right.
>> Yeah. You did, you find your thing?
>> Yeah. And you're wrong. How am I wrong?
>> It depends on what you're looking at, really. So, whatever you're looking at skewed.
>> The deficit rose more during.
>> Yes, but a lot of that debt increase is because of things that were signed into law under Trump. So, I'm referencing what was signed into law by each president.
>> Either way, the debt is accumulative. Correct.
>> Yes. But I'm referencing specifically what, uh, is the effect on the deficits and the debt by each administration, but based on what they signed into law.
>> Okay. Well, either way, the debt is going to accumulate more and more every year. Doesn't matter what president's in there. Doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican. It doesn't matter. Debt's going to continue to rise. The more money they borrow, the more money they're going to have to pay off in the future.
>> Yeah. But I'm telling you, Trump signed off on more debt related spending and also was president before Biden. Biden was president after him. You said every next president spends more. Biden spent less based upon what he signed into law.
>> Well, he didn't do a whole lot.
>> He did a lot. The Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, the Bipartisan Border Bill, uh, which is something that they wanted to get done and which Donald Trump undermined. We can reference the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act. We can reference the, uh, inf, uh, uh, Inflation Reduction Act. We can reference the CHIPS Act. Right? Those are all policies.
>> Yes. Somebody commented, "Yes, Clinton did balance a bud budget with a Republican House and that's that was 2001 and it was such a ne negligible percentage. It was like 0.2 something percent. It didn't make up for the year before. Somebody mentioned me about some shit." Yeah, Clinton did have one year of running a surplus, 2001, I believe.
>> Do you want to engage the thing I just said? What? What'd you say?
>> You didn't listen at all?
>> No, I was reading somebody's comment.
>> Okay. All right. Uh, can you name a reason why you support Trump? Like a, like a policy like of his? You said.
>> You said the Big Beautiful Bill, right?
>> Yeah. I mean, I'm the Big Beautiful Bill. Like I said, I'm not, I'm not a huge Trump Trump guy, but I am happier with the country.
>> Is there anything Trump could do that would get you to stop supporting him?
>> Well, if he, it comes out, he's on the Epstein list. I won't, I won't support him anymore.
>> He literally is. He's in the Epstein files. He's been credibly accused in the Epstein files by a minor that got a settlement with the Epstein estate.
>> Oh, there's got to be, got to be a conviction. Something of hard substantial evidence. Okay. So, you said you need substantial evidence for what? Sorry.
>> For him being a part of the Epstein.
>> That is substantial evidence. What do you consider substantial evidence?
>> And why hasn't he been impeached because of it?
>> Uh, so that would rely upon Republicans being willing to hold him accountable for the actions that he's engaged in, which is not the case.
>> Democrats are willing to do that. Republicans are not. You got any response?
>> I, I, I don't know. I don't, I'm not sure about the whole thing, so I don't know.
>> Okay. So, you don't know how to respond to anything I just said? I'm just going to go on to the next person.