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So, you said you support Donald Trump because you think that immigration was out of control and you think that he's done exactly what he was going to or they said he was going to do nearly flawlessly. So, I'll ask you this question here real quick.
He said he would he he was wanting to release all of the Epstein files. Um, they are actively breaking the law right now and not releasing the Epstein files after he called it a hoax. And he said that anyone who thinks it's not a hoax, right, never actually supported him in the first place. How do you feel about that?
I think that there's more than meets the eye with with that, but I do think that this thing is a bit of a hoax. And I don't understand why Trump is is taking the posture that that he is. Um I think it's it's it's very unlikely that there is much dirt on him uh at all that could be used uh other than to uh embarrass him by association. And if it was more than that, then why didn't the Biden administration do that?
Because they were sealed. It was during investigation for Glenn Maxwell. Um, we can also point to the fact that they did release what they could. They released the flight logs. They released uh countless things that we could point to. Um, so I mean there were things that were released that they could.
Okay. Well, um, can you give me any evidence they had the ability to release other things and that they chose not to evidence? No, I don't I don't have evidence with me right here.
All right. So then what do you disagree with about uh immigration?
Okay. Well, um or nothing. Are you just good on that?
Well, I mean I can respond either or. What would you like me to respond to?
I I just brought up immigration.
So, I thought that's what we're going to talk about.
We can, but I think that's a little bit of a pivot off of the fact that we were talking about the Epste files, right?
Okay. You asked me what I wanted to talk about. I told you. and you went to Epstein files. I told you I didn't have any evidence. Um, but they sure didn't seem to make a real big deal out of of wanting to get that done, right? And if if they were blocked legally from being able to get that done, then they should have made that very widely.
They also didn't run on it. Like Trump ran on it. You said he did everything that he said he was going to do. Nearly
and and so what will you and and your friends say when nothing comes of it as it relates to Trump? Well, then why have they been trying to delete things? Like it's heavily redacted. He also tried to delete things like for example, there was a picture of him.
What's up?
Why is it redacted?
Well, I don't know in every context of why it's redacted, but I do think that like it's heavily redacted to an extent in which we obviously would say is a bit ridiculous.
Well, I mean, without knowing the things that are redacted, whether they are uh Well, well, they claim certain things are redacted, but they've been already violating the law, and they didn't release all of the Epstein files yesterday. So, I wouldn't be surprised if they revoling the law on what they can redact and what they can't.
I think that that when it's all said and done, we will know what we need to know. And right now, there is no way to know.
You said it's a hoax. So, if they release some right now, is it a hoax still? I think that that all of it will will come out.
Yes. I think as it relates to Trump, we have like 2.5 megabytes of 200 as it relates to Trump and him having anything to do with misconduct and abuse. I think it's absolutely a hoax.
Okay. Well, one thing that you're not even taking to account is that he was held liable for he was accused of 26 plus people of misconduct, right? Uh I think it's ridiculous for you to say that every single one of them would be lying. He bragged about walking into the changing room women while they're changing without their consent where an 18-year-old came out said there were four girls and he's changing. Where are you getting this information from?
Donald Trump bragged himself. I can play the audio of that. I can show you the court cases.
No, these are different. These are different people. There are both there are fine people on both sides. Which lie are you going to reference?
What lie did again? The fine people on both sides. He did say that
is a lie. Uh in the same sentence he said and I'm not talking about those people and he listed the white.
You understand that those let me explain. Let me explain. Those people that were on the other side were advocating to keep up a statue of a confederate.
Okay. So, do you think that those are good was framed? Listen.
I'm sorry. Do you think that those are good people advocating to keep up a statue commemorating a Confederate?
Did he or did he not specifically say?
Do you think Do you think good people want to keep up statues to commemorate Confederates? Do you think good people want to do that?
I think it is a massive part of the history.
You can't answer the question. Do you Okay, can you answer this question?
Yes, I think that there should be good people I think to keep up statues to commemorate. Okay, how about this? Do you think they should have kept up all the statues of Germany after after everything that happened?
I think it's completely different.
Answer the question.
No, it's a part of it's a part of their history.
It's completely different.
So, answer the question. It's a part of their history. Should they keep them up?
No.
Oh, okay. So, just because it's a part of your history doesn't mean you should keep it up because it's commemorating a horrible person, right? So, when you're putting up statues commemorating Confederates that are traitors to this country situation falls under your example every situation. So anything bad that happened anywhere anywhere in the world that was a part of a country's history you just have to just ditch it and there could be no form of acknowledging the fact that it happened.
No, we we can acknowledge it and I think that's what history books are for and museums are for. I don't think statues commemorating Confederates are things that we should keep up. Does it make sense?
Do you think that the narrative of that was around the statues or do you think that it was more broadly stated that he would not condemn the white nationalists and and all of that?
He said that there were good people that were advocating to keep up statues to commemorate them.
He said there are good people on both sides.
Yes. And one of those sides are people. You're not listening. One of those sides. You're not listening.
Just because somebody feels like that statue should be there does not mean they're not a good person.
It does mean that if you're if you want to commemorate Wait, wait. So, tell me so tell me what good people want to commemorate white supremacists that fought for slavery to still be legal. Tell me.
What kind of people? The people that don't view it the same way that you do.
So So okay. So, then tell me what good people do that. people that don't view that part of our history the same way that you do.
Okay. How do you view our history that way? Do you do you not view Can Oh, so you view them as not traitors. You view it differently. What do you view differently about?
They're they they are traitors. And here's the thing. So, you don't view it differently.
I'm not saying that I personally believe, right? And that would be my personal decision. I'm simply saying that people that feel that way are not evil. They're not bad just because of that.
So, like are they are people that are are people is evil?
Absolutely.
Okay. So, and so people who want to keep up Confederate statues to commemorate them. You think that they're good people? All of them?
They're not.
They're not all separate.
So, but they're in but they're in support of Confederates. No, they're acknowledging that part of our of our history. It's not about acknowledging history the way that you do. Hey, statues aren't necessarily their choice.
You're misunderstanding.
That is their choice though.
So, then answer my question. Do you think that they should have kept up the statues of after right uh after 1945?
Why are you asking me questions I already answered? I'm asking you this again because I want you to establish that there's a reason as to why when someone becomes so bad that you don't want to have a statue to them. Now, you can specifically uh talk about this in history and you can teach people about it, but statues are for commemoration in the Confederacy.
What's that?
Who was the sole figure in the Confederate in in the Confederacy? Who was who was
It wasn't the sole person, but it was Robert E. Lee was one of the people that they wanted to keep up the statue of.
Yeah, you know that was a confederate people in 1860. How many people in 1860? What percentage of the United States population were uh slave owners in in 1860?
What percent of the US population were slave owners? I I have to check. I don't know.
1.4.
What's your point?
Nobody. Nobody.
You We're talking about Confederates. You're you're acting as if
Hey, we're Confederates. You said nobody is ridiculous. By the way, you're not listening. The Confederates were fighting to keep it legal. You're not listening. You have to unmute yourself.
Oh, I'm sorry about that. Didn't realize happened.
When you swipe out of the app, I can't hear you. It's funny to me that you're stuck on this thing simply because we're not aligned.
Wait, no. By the way, you brought this up because you were trying to say everything against Trump is like some [ __ ] point. So, by the way, this is a whole pivot that you brought up in the very first place.
Cuz you were just trying to deny facts.
You're you're still way off base on that one. The whole point with what the media was doing was to say that he supports
And by the way, by the way, 25%
Wait, 25% of the South owned slaves in 19 or in 1860.
Yeah. I didn't ask the South.
Okay. Well, we're talking about where it was at where they were advocating for it to be legal.
Yeah. And if I were to answer your question by answering something that you didn't ask, you'd probably do the same thing to me. It's not the question that I asked you. It was the whole of the United States. But do you realize that you were being dishonest?
How so?
Because you're you were saying that we should keep up statues of people that were advocating to keep it legal when 25% of those that uh existed in the South owned people who are slaves.
No, you're not accepting the fact that I'm telling you there are people that don't view it that way. It's it's simple.
Yeah. And you're like people who deny history, people who engage in historical revisionism, people like Donald Trump that don't want to acknowledge history. So, it's ironic that you said that this is specifically to acknowledge history while simultaneously supporting a candidacy, an administration that is actively undermining things within museums and getting rid of history to try and repaint the story to try and make America look better than it actually was historically.
Oh, I I think there's no question and I don't think very many people argue that the history of America has a lot of uh tragic elements to it and things that shouldn't have happened just like there are in in every single other country out there and things that none of us are proud of. That said, I am proud of the ideals of this country such as I am proud of
the ideals.
Yeah.
Well, what are the ideals as it relates to uh equality? Is it a good idea?
Hey, dude. I'm just asking you what ideals because I'm trying to get you to establish like these specific ideals because I think Trump's going to violate them. Now, tell me.
Uh, equal opportunity. Okay. What else?
What else would you like to talk about?
I said, what ideals? What American ideals do you like? capitalism.
Okay. What else?
Freedom of speech.
Okay.
Um freedom of religion.
Okay.
Um uh equal rights under the law. um the the rule of law, accountability, but most importantly the the opportunity to with your own hard work and ingenuity and creativity make something of yourself. You don't have to go to school. You don't have to do anything specific other than work real hard, get good at what you do, do the things that you're supposed to do, and you can make it.
You do have to go to school.
My sister lives in Europe and had to declare when her kids were 10 years old before before what they were going to do. Are you going university? Are you going trades at 10 years old? So, I appreciate the fact that our country isn't like that. But it's funny how you don't want to come back to immigration. You asked me what I wanted to talk about. I said that and you just have no interest in speaking about it whatsoever.
I do. But we were talking about things and then we I was talking about the things we were talking about. I would love to talk to you about immigration. I talk about immigration
topic immediately.
No, I didn't. I literally just addressed the second thing you I addressed the second thing you said and we started talking about that. the specifically the point you said you brought up Epstein is exactly what you did.
Yeah, let me explain. So you said that he said he was conspiracy theories and things that nobody knows is what you want.
Crashing out. You're crashing out. You're crashing out. Do you want me to let me explain because you're cutting me off and not listen?
Go for it.
Listen. Is that okay?
Everything's going to be okay. Breathe. It's okay. So, uh, if you want to talk about the what we were saying, uh, you said exactly what he did. uh he said he would do everything that he said he was going to do or you sorry I'm misspeaking you said he did everything that he said he was going to do nearly flawlessly and I responded to that with okay well what did he say he was going to do about the Epstein files and what has actually happened and that's what we went into a conversation about I wasn't dunking or ducking a conversation about immigration I'll talk to you about immigration
I'll talk to you about immigration I have no issue dude I talk about immigration every single day on my live stream I'm not scared to talk about immigration with you not to your live stream at all.
That's fine.
I don't care. I talk about it all the time. You're acting like I'm running when everyone knows that I'm not. I want to finish the point that I was making though and then we can talk about immigration. Is that okay?
Sure.
Okay. So, I asked you what ideals and I think the ideals you brought up most of them Donald Trump undermines. Like for example, accountability. He definitely has not been taken accountability. He definitely has not been held accountable because you guys literally voted for him even though he's a convicted felon. was held civily liable, pardoned violent writers, police officers, and called them patriots. He's undermining the rule of law because he's violating the law right now and literally not passing all of the Epstein files and literally violating people's due process rights and constitutionally protected rights. You said freedom of religion. He called for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the country. That's not freedom of religion. You said freedom of speech. He passed an executive order to put people in prison for a year for burning the American flag. and it's actively said that news organizations should lose their licensing, right? Because he considers them quote unquote fake news. Um, we can also point to um plenty of the other ideals that you mentioned, but I think most of them there based on what I've just established are things that Trump has violated to a greater extent. So, if you care about those ideals, you probably wouldn't support Trump. Correct.
I don't agree with that.
I I believe that that you are being very very selective. What happened if if people in uh 2020 didn't agree with the COVID policy of the Biden administration and and vocalized that or put that out in on Twitter or Facebook or any kind of social media? What happened to those people in 2020? Uh Trump was president. Biden wasn't president.
Sorry. 21.
What happened? Um again, this had nothing to do with the Biden administration doing anything. Those were specifically private companies deciding to do things.
The B administration can finish. Are you going to let me finish or do you have to cut?
You didn't see you didn't you didn't see any of the news of the CEO. You're just not letting me speak.
Talking about how they were pressured by Biden and his administration.
I know you're crashing out and having a temper tantrum and you can't listen to fully what I'm saying.
You're having a temper tantrum and not listening to everything that I'm saying. I was going to tantrum because I was going to address this and instead of listening to the things that I'm saying, you decided to cut me off and act like I was advocating for something insane which I wasn't advocating for.
You're going down a ridiculous path.
How so?
Continue.
I'll tell you. So, uh, pressuring them is saying what you can. Like you can say like you should take this off of your platform, but that's not having any legal enforcement to restrict this from happening. So, do you understand the distinction?
Yes, I and I I understand the narrative that you were sold on. I do.
What do you mean the narrative I was sold on? I'm telling you the facts. You just didn't even respond to them.
No, I don't believe those are the facts. I believe that the FBI was heavily involved. I believe that the Biden administration could not have put more pressure on on these on these companies. And there are things that probably none of us know about, but it's not a coincidence that every single one of those people and and individuals, businesses, entities, you name it, got completely shut down. And it just so it just happened to be during the Biden administration and no other time in the history of our country.
Okay. So, the issue with this is that uh again uh the the Biden administration had no enforcement mechanism for limiting this. You're assuming things. You're literally saying there probably is stuff that existed that restricted them from doing this. I can't point to it. It's not public information, but this is probably the case. No, this is a trust me.
This is called a trust me, bro. This is called you have no evidence and you're taking [ __ ] out of your ass and throwing it at the wall.
Where do your facts come from? Uh, it depends on what where did the narrative come from? Who provided that to you?
Oh, yeah. I got it directly from the DNC Illuminati. Uh, and they sent me all my talking points just so I could tell them you on the stream.
Well, that doesn't explain where you got it from.
I told you the DNC Illuminati. George Soros.
George Soros.
And the Biden administration. They sent me talking points.
Oh, okay. Well, you are a gullible person and I wish you very very well. I'm How am I global?
Uh because you just parrot whatever it is that you happen to hear.
What? What am I doing that? What am I paring? I feel like you're about to run away, by the way.
Feel like I'm about to run away.
Yeah. What do I feel like that's going to sounds like you are? But go ahead.
Go ahead with what threw me back in here.
What was I saying? the narrative that that you believe.
Yeah. What What do you think I'm getting it from?
I don't know. Probably the uh legacy media.
What legacy media?
I asked you where you got it from and you don't want to tell me. I don't know where you got it from.
Where do I get my information from? AP News, NPR, PBS Reuters. I get it from
the Bureau of Labor Statistics, from the St. Louis Federal Reserve.
All of those committed. Which way do they lean?
And not just lean. Oh, come on. You're gonna tell me that PBS NPR are independent?
Yes.
Come on, man.
Have you watched them?
Yes.
Actually, watch the guest. Look at their articles and and and their perspective and how one-sided all of it is.
I think they're independent.
That's ridiculous, man. Come on. You can't be real.
Uh I am.
Your information is PBS.
Yeah, that's good information. When you're told that Donald Trump said something in a speech,
do you actually go watch the speech or you just just trust what PBS tells you?
Um, I think in most circumstances I would accept if there's media referencing it uh that that's the case, but I always look at the what what he has to say as well.
Oh man, it it is the the one thing I've said this to family and friends. Please, all of the things that you think that you know, just take the time and research it and don't include in your research what the legacy media reported. You get paid and and you make a living by going over this information and consuming it and having the ability to regurgitate and articulate that and and you do that well and you do it with intention. That is not my intention. I don't comb through things and try to remember all of the facts or get on your uh Snapchat or YouTube or whatever it is and present you with all of the facts that I've studied and memorized.
Yeah, I couldn't do that, could you?
I'm pretty busy guy, but I probably could if it was important enough.
It is important enough.
Yeah, but see, I I also own a pretty big company and it keeps me pretty busy.
You want a cookie? for what? Working hard.
Yeah.
No.
Sounded like you wanted one.
I'm I'm fully rewarded on on my own and provide for myself. Simply explaining why I don't take the time to do the things that you do. What else do you do for work?
This is what I do for work.
Okay, great. And so I'm saying you are sitting there ultra prepared and then if anybody else comes on to this and isn't as prepared with their facts as you are, you think that I just don't care or that we're not smart.
No, it's not that. It's not that. It's not that um if you don't have as much as me, it's that you have nothing at all.
You have nothing. Like it's not that you don't have any as much as me. It's that you have nothing. You have PBS?
Yeah, that's that's an independent source.
Uhhuh.
Let me guess.
What do you What do you What do you What do you think they have TDS? What do you think that everyone who disagrees that the Trump administration has TDS?
No, no, no, no. I I think that a lot of people who are Republicans also don't agree with everything that he does. I think that there are very much people that have TDS.
Question. Name three things you disagree with Trump on. Oh, well, uh, the the jet Air Force One. That's ridiculous. Uh, from what was that? Cutter.
That's a pretty bad one. Uh, what else is there? Qatar. Cutter. So, you don't hear people say cutter?
No, I That's the first time I've heard that.
No, come on, man. You're kidding. I thought you were just being a smartass. Now we're now we're talking about what what you don't know.
Tell me what are the what are the two other things?
Uh Jimmy Kimmel, that was a big one. Uh and just generally speaking, um the way that he I think he unnecessarily uh belittles people. Uh and it just doesn't serve a purpose for him. It doesn't help them.
Can you give me like a specific circumstance?
Uh just a constant uh for example in the Oval Office gaggles. um referencing CNN reporters as um stupid. I think it's stupid. I I think there's no reason to do that. He doesn't benefit from it at all. And he just gives people ammunition and he gives people way too much ammunition. So, by the way,
he should do a little bit less talking.
Okay. So, he should do less. You want the president to talk less.
Well, I think that a little bit less talking in some specific areas.
Okay. How about in general? How about we tell Trump to quiet the trans?
Wait, are you telling Trump to quiet piggy?
No. Uh,
that's what it sounds like. You said you said he should be quiet, right?
I wish that he would be quiet on some subjects.
So, you're telling him to be quiet?
To belittle people when it doesn't serve a purpose.
Okay. Well, he does that all the time. That's like literally what he always does. And by the way, um, uh, in terms of Air Force One and Jimmy Kimmel, by the way, you you could have brought up so many things like, you know, maybe the 420,000 children that are cut off for free school, lunch, and breakfast to the tune of, uh, like on average every single month.
I I I don't disagree.
You You do you Wait, so you agree with that? You cut You agree with cutting children?
I I I think that the that the waste, fraud, and abuse is absolutely out of control.
Yeah. The children getting elements food is waste, fraud, and abuse, apparently. No, no, no, I think that your understanding of um the the kids being impacted, the severity of it um just the story in general, I think is is not accurate. Uh and you don't have good information in part because of PBS and NPR.
Okay. Again, you're you're just like assuming because I'm getting my information from there that I'm getting false information when those are some of the best sources that you can get for information, right? For for media. Where do you get your media from?
Yeah, they also will tell you. I I try to watch a little bit of everything. Uh actually um
CNN, MSNBC and Fox are the main three.
So you you watch legacy media and then you are trying to make fun of me for going to NPR, PBS because I want to understand the perspective.
Wait. Okay. So, then what else do you watch for media? You you don't just watch legacy media, right? Outside of legacy media, what do you watch? Uh, as I just said, the three networks that I just mentioned, I subscribe to Tangle, uh, and I subscribe to the Daily Wire.
So, so Daily Wire and Tangle is a better source of information than what I just brought up in ter You don't think the Daily Wire is is partisan or
Oh, 100%. Come on, man.
Okay. Is Tango partisan or bias?
Uh, Tangle is partisan.
Okay. So, is there any independent media that you listen to?
Independent media that I that I listen to? I do a lot of of research, whether that be Google or ChatGpt, and I'm very careful to always make sure that I tell it.
So, what independent media?
So, search engines and AI are not independent sources. Okay? I'm asking you for independent source that you read in your information.
I've given you what I've given you.
Yeah. Uh, you've given me part of you just made fun of me for bringing up NPR, PBS, Reuters, and AP News. And then you brought up the Daily Wire, Tangle, and CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC. Okay. So, by the way, you gave me you gave me no independent media. Wait, by the way, you just gave me no independ.
Do you look for independent media at all?
I gave I I look for right and left. I want to understand. You don't look for independent media.
I don't even know what where to look. Please educate me.
I did already. I told you. And you just you were like that's not independent. That's bias. But then wait PBS and NPR.
Yeah. Do you look at PBS and NPR?
Come on, man. I have I had to stop.
Can you name Can you name one article that you disagree with?
No. Oh, so if I haven't read an a PBS article, can you can you give me any good reason to believe that PBS, NPR, Reuters, and AP News are biased sources?
Only what is reported and only what I in the time that I did listen uh only what I heard.
Okay. What what was reported that was incorrect?
It's just a heavy leftleaning agency.
Okay. And what did they do that was left-leaning?
Uh all the people that they that they they interview, if you listen to their their hosts on on PBS, you will never ever hear or hardly ever any kind of perspective of middle to right.
Okay. Can you give me an example? Like can you name one host that's leftwing? No, I don't know their house.
Okay. So, how do you know?
Oh, I've listened to a lot of NPR on on the radio. Uh, and I've seen quite a bit of of PBS in in my lifetime. Um, but that said, like an example of what they said that was left leaning.
It's been a while since I watched or or listened to either one of those. Mhm.
No. So, I didn't use either one of those.
So, you don't listen to both sides of the aisle.
I get my What's CNN?
Okay. So, can you name one host on CNN?
I don't know them uh as well. Uh Scott Jennings is somebody that I like on the on their their panels. Um h the guy that wrote the uh Jay Tapper um Jen Saki. No, she's MSNBC.
No, that's good.
Okay. Yeah. Um and by the way, um I I I have a genuine question here. I have a genuine question. Do you think vaccines are effective?
Yes. Okay. Do you think vaccine mandates serve any purpose within our society?
Yes.
Okay. All right. That was that's interesting. Um I guess can I ask you a question?
Sure.
If Trump called for some Democrats because they said to follow the law and to not follow unlawful orders, would you still support him for president? number one that uh would never happen and you're taking something that is is was said and never did Anybody think that that was a real threat or a realistic possibility.
So, by the way, you said it never would happen and then you said it was said. Isn't that contradictory?
It didn't happen, but it also happened.
Actually get No, that that would never happen. They would never actually be that would never happen.
Okay. So, you're saying that uh again they wouldn't them, but you think it's okay for the president to just engage in threats on social media towards his political opponents?
Uh did what did he actually say?
Wait, so so if like people threatened Trump, would you be okay with that?
They do all this.
Do you think it's okay if like Democratic lawmakers were to engage in threats as a quote unquote joke towards Trump? Like if Gavin Newsome did it, would you be okay with that? They do that kind of stuff all the time.
No, they don't.
Yes, they do.
Name one time.
180 18647. Uh people that saying that the that the wrong Trump died when when his brother died. All kinds of vile things.
No, I'm asking you when did Newsome say that?
No, I don't agree.
What Democratic lawmaker said that?
I I do not remember off the top of my head.
Okay. There there isn't a Democratic line.
Put him in a bullseye.
That was Joe Biden.
Yeah, that was in terms of
That was Joe Biden.
He did not say we got to take him out. And also, by the way, I just want to clarify the bullseye comment. That was not in a literal sense. Okay, he's not saying in a literal sense to like unal alive him. He was saying that like we just need to be hyperfixated on him.
That was in terms first edition, by the way, in the military.
What's the penalty first edition? Well, Donald Trump says it's
it's actually 20 years in prison, but
uh I I think there is
Do you think Do you think it's sedition? I have a question. Do you think it's sedition to uh tell people to follow the law and to not follow unlawful orders?
I think the underlying Well, first of all, to your question, the way that you asked it, no, there's nothing wrong with that. I think to not acknowledge the underlying intent behind what those senators and and congress people said.
Yeah. What was the
is laughable is laughable. You know what was implied and what was implied is that they have been asked to uh follow illegal orders or have been given illegal orders. And by the way, they in the in the context of the statement, it was unspecified, but they have
such as
Yeah. such as the second strike on a Venezuelan boat, like a code a boat off the coast of Venezuela where it was shipwrecked and they were trying to get on top of the uh bottom of the of the capsized boat uh for 40 minutes and then they authorized a second strike.
Yeah. And what were they trying to do? Were they trying to get the
They had no They had no capacity to get to the United States. They weren't even headed to the United States.
Our military,
they were actually headed south.
Well, it was reported by our military. What were they doing?
They were they were headed south even going to the US. They didn't have enough gas to make it to the United States. And in this context, it was shipwrecked. In the context of a shipwreck, they are to rescue and maybe detain them if they think that they've committed a crime.
That's it.
I I have I have no sympathy for them and I have no protest to that being done. Yeah, of course. Because all be blown out of the water.
Okay. So, even though it's an unlawful order,
I don't believe that that was an
The law says you have to rescue them in in the context of a shipwreck. So, you you would just say that you think it's justified even though it's illegal.
You're not acknowledging what the what the US military reported that they were trying to do, which was collect and turn the boat over. You're not acknowledging.
If you want Wait, if you want to collect it, then why did you send another drone strike? And why didn't you just detain them from the first Why didn't you just detain them in the beginning?
They could have.
Okay. Then why did they
I can agree on on this on this point.
Then I have an issue with it and I don't view it as illegal.
It was illegal. Like it literally that's just a fact.
It wasn't.
Yes, it is.
Nope.
Yes, it is.
Who's been charged and with what?
Just because there's not a mechanism to hold them accountable currently doesn't necessarily mean that it's not unlawful. Mhm. And so you're you're saying that Trump ordered that?
I'm saying that the Trump administration ordered that. Yeah.
Okay.
What's next?
You don't want to actually acknowledge that that's an unlawful order and Donald Trump is engaging threats. So if again again if people did that towards Trump, would you would you be okay if Democ would you be okay if Democratic lawmakers did that towards Trump? Like if Newsome uh call uh reposted someone saying h them George Washington would you be okay with that? H what what did you say
if Newsome reposted someone saying h ag Washington would right in reference to Republican lawmakers would you still think it's reasonable for people who are Democrats to support him
I don't I don't know anything about what you just said
dude it's like you're not coherent
if he h a n ged them
can you spell
if he them
yeah dude I'm saying that because of toos on Tik Tok dude Okay. So, would I support Trump if he posted something or say that again? You want to know if I would support Trump if there was Democrats that posted that?
Yeah. If Nuome called for the of some Democrats or some Republicans because they said to not follow unlawful orders, right? Would you be okay with that? Democrats like would you say it's reasonable for Democrats to support Newsome still?
You have to provide context.
You have to provide context.
Did give you the context?
No, not really. See, in this situation, there was a commercial that uh you United States senators uh Congress people posted this this video. Trump's response to them and the framing of sedition was that's exactly what would happen.
So, what was the sedition?
What was the sedition?
Yeah. uh implying that the United States military should defy executive orders.
Defy unlawful orders,
legal orders.
That is their constitution.
Constitutional.
You're you're a walk in a real fine line there. I just want to point out
what fine line. Do you think I'm a traitor and a seditionist as well?
For what? What' you do? No,
I'm asking you. Do you think I'm treasonous and sed uh engaging in sedition because I'm, you know, denying the cognitive abilities of Donald Trump like he said on Truth Social. That makes me treasonous and sedicious.
No, I don't think that you posted that kind of video. I don't think that you you did that.
You should not follow unlawful orders. If you're in the military, do not follow unlawful orders.
Now, do you think I just engaged in sedition?
No.
Why not?
I've already answered this in saying that you're refusing to acknowledge the underlying uh intent behind what what they did and what they said.
Yeah. The intent was to tell people to not follow unlawful orders.
No, you're you're just you're talking about what they literally said, not any underlying tones. You're talking about literally
the underlying tones that you can't even establish to be the case. You're just assuming this. You're assuming that they're saying lawful when they say unlawful.
I just listen to what type of crazy [ __ ] is this? You have to change what people say in order to try and manipulate the context of the situation. And then you try and blame that us for doing that.