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We got uh Tom Jones here. Brother Jones has come on TO DEFEND his God. Brother Jones, talk to the people.
>> Uh it's a it's a pleasure to be here. I I love the stuff you do to be frank. Um I like everything about your platform. So it's I think everything else on this platform is a grade first rate.
>> Thank you.
>> Uh com I think I just have gripes with uh speaking against Christianity. Um I was raised Christian myself. I won't say that I agree with a lot of the teachings. I think a lot of them.
>> What did I say that was wrong? um talking about how the fact that um God does not interfere in the dealings of man um and how if there there was a God people there won't be so much pain on this planet I think that's inaccurate.
>> so is God all powerful?
>> correct.
>> okay God's all powerful so he has all of the power.
>> so any devil or any wrongdoer that operates is operating with the consent of God.
>> Correct.
>> Correct. Correct.
>> Gotcha. So you you would then say Hitler was an instrument of God.
>> Correct.
>> Okay. Uh would you say that waterborn disease in subsaharan Africa is uh God's will?
>> Correct.
>> Okay. Uh would you say that the genocide Rwanda was God's will? All of it.
>> Allowed. Yeah.
>> Right. That's amazing. And you're a Christian?
>> Yes. And and I I think there's a lot of confusion with God and what he stands for. I think uh people think he's like a genie whereby it's um you know, I got my three wishes. I'm going to be prosperous. I'm not going to be sick. Everything's going to be awesome. Uh no. Uh God has given man free will on this domain.
>> Yeah.
>> So if a man chooses, he's going to commit genocide. Right.
>> If if God wants him to do that because because in the Bible
>> man can do anything that he wants to do. Right. According to what you're saying,
>> if God allows it,
>> that's
>> okay. You see, because the funny thing logically speaking, according to what you're saying, this is why it sounds like nonsense. is that well if God is all powerful and all things that happen are a result of God allowing it whether it's a baby being born with a a fatal disease being born blind uh mass genocide people not getting a chance at life people suffering children being molested if God's cool with all that um
>> you're basically saying that he's not doing anything which would mean the same thing that your God would be the same as not having any god that's the whole point illogical so if there was no god at all then the affairs of humankind would proceed all the same based on what you said which is free will
>> he's got
>> he's not a genie so
>> but he's not doing anything compared to
>> but he he says he says in the Bible that he's the god of both good and evil so not
>> he's not according to
>> not everyone belongs to him he's not the god of everyone he's only the god of those who believe in him and who who work with him like he's he's not your god he's not the god I'm not putting anyone under the spotlight. He's not the God of Iran. Like like if if God wants there to be a genocide over there, he's he's going to let it happen.
>> Say there was no God there there would still be the same things going on on earth. Genocide, uh mass starvation, things like that. So having no God is the same as having your God. Do you see that? Do you understand that logically?
>> Okay. I I think I just need to keep
>> No, I'm asking, do you understand that logically? is the same as there being no god.
>> I understand what you're saying.
>> You understand the logic there?
>> I understand logic. But I have to I have to give this first and foremost. So there there is firstly uh it might get a bit esoteric or air furry.
>> No, keep it on the ground because human beings don't live human beings people here are too too Okay. Firstly,
>> but it's not because they're it's not because anyone's dumb. It's because when people are starving in Darur, they don't eat ideas. They eat food. Right? So if your god and the Christians who follow your god can't put some food in their mouth, the religion doesn't matter.
>> Well, God is not the god of death for that's a Muslim place. So they should pray to the or pray to or they should pray to or whatever god. No, they should pray.
>> There are Muslims in Sudan. So you messed up there because there are Muslims in Sudan. Furthermore, a forgiving and understanding God.
>> He's not forgiven. He's not forgiven. He's not forgiven.
>> Not for the babies. Not the babies starting.
>> No, he's not. Not. In the Bible, he commanded the children of he commanded the children of Israel to make sure they killed the men, the women uh destroy the cattle and kill the children. So when he told the children of Israel to go destroy the Amalachites and Canaanites, though they were not his people and he said they could kill all of them including the children. So I I think there's a confusion that the God of Christianity belongs to everybody, he does not. powerful and he allows all the things that occur on earth.
>> So point point of I'm going to say is that those other nations they have their own gods. They have Zeus, Jupiter, and whatever translations they have. Like if you go back to the Phoenician gods, um whatever their names were, Ashtarth, they have their gods. They used to pray for for um for fertility, for provision, they should pray to those gods. They can't pray to the most high, who is Yahweh, because they never pray to him. He never in his word he said
>> is Is he fading out for anyone else? He's uh fading out for me. So, can the audience let me know? Put a one if you're not able to hear the gentleman. So, I can't hear him right now. Put a one in the chat if you're you're not able to hear him. Okay. So, yeah, you can't hear him. I'mma pull him out right now. Pause. I I can't hear the gentleman. Okay. And I'll respect him. I appreciate him coming on um to explain his perspective. Absolutely. Uh then we have another fellow who writes in a private message, which I'm not going to read because I said just turn on your camera and I'll let you come on. So, you're not turning on your camera, so you won't be coming on. It's just that simple. We we can't see your video, so we don't trust that you're a an authentic, legitimate person. Uh by the way, folks, if you like this content, go ahead and support the work. You can do so right here. We're not taking a pause uh from in, you know, from intelligent discussion. We're not taking a pause from education. This is very thoughtprovoking. Uh I pulled you out because we couldn't hear you.
>> Um >> I apprec I appreciate you. I appreciate you.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So,
>> but point is those other nations have their gods and they should pray to their gods.
>> Oh, are their gods real gods or fake gods?
>> I don't I don't know and I don't care. They should pray to those gods that they have they've had since antiquity,
>> right? Zeus, Jupiter, all those gods they had that they used to offer sacrifices to
>> Molech and all that stuff
>> the ones who blessed them with whatever they had and pray to those gods. God, the most high Yahweh does not belong to everybody. I think there's a confusion in this world whereby it's easily accessible and I think that's not true. And I think the problems with a lot of the pastors like TD Snakes like you've uh so eloquently put a lot of them are uh are putting out putting out a watered down message because they want their tithes and all that stuff to be full. And so they're watering the message down. They're they're making it like you go uh live a life of cheating people, stealing from people, and then all you got to do is ask for forgiveness. Uh the god of Christianity is not about uh forgiveness. It's about uh repentance. meaning uh turning away from what you were doing.
>> Let me pause you there, Tom, because you've been going in for a minute.
>> No problem.
>> So there there's three things I want to address with you. Make sure that we understand your position. I'm not even debating against your position. I'm just trying to understand it.
>> Gotcha.
>> So if a baby is born,
>> is the baby innocent in your religious view?
>> No. No.
>> Okay. What what is going on when the baby is born? What is the state of that baby?
>> Um uh the baby is born into a world where where Adam sinned and was thrown out of the garden. And from there Adam who was supposed to be a a god here on earth he chose to be uh subvert himself below uh Lucifer or the serpent.
>> I didn't ask for your story. I just said what is the state? What is the state of that?
>> He's not he's not innocent. So he's going to pay for the for the sins of the father.
>> Okay. So father I mean father ancestors.
>> Gotcha. So even though the baby didn't do anything as far as your religion goes, it was like he's a bad baby.
>> No, he's not a bad baby. Uh uh God says he passes down uh the the sins of the father,
>> right?
>> Um to the third and fourth generation.
>> So I hear you. So according to your book and your understanding of the book is that
>> it actually says that verbatim.
>> That's fine. No, it doesn't say that verbatim because the Bible
>> You want me to pull it up? Do you want me to pull it up?
>> No, I want you to listen. The Bible is not written in English. So it does not say that verbatim. Do you understand that much?
>> Sure. Of course. I know it's written in Hebrew.
>> Or the Kongo actually. But yeah.
>> So it doesn't say that verbatim. You're reading an an interpretation written by God. No. Written by man
>> and man is fallible. So there we have that. Now
>> correct
>> with regards to the uh baby, he is being punished for sins that he did not directly commit. You agree there?
>> Correct. Correct. Okay. And as a result of him coming into the world as a sinner immediately, then any suffering that he endures before the baby is able to repent or to uh be baptized or what have you is warranted.
>> Correct.
>> Wow.
>> It's not warranted. They they didn't do it. They didn't do it. But if if if your ancestor was going around um pillaging aring people, assaulting people, and then like five five generations down the line of babies born, they're innocent for their for their ancestor going around pillaging people, assaulting people, decapitate decapitating people. Wow. That's wild. If that's your religion, brethren, uh that that's ruthless, man. That's that's extremely ruthless. And I'll I'll tell you why it's really sick and sad to me if that's your religion.
>> Sure.
>> I I taught kids in Baltimore, Maryland, and every now and then you come across someone who's remarkable. There there's one young lady I met whose mother was a a dope addict and died of such and father ran off on her. They're crummy people. She was sweet, a sweet girl. to think that she would be held accountable for something that she didn't do or she would be judged negatively for the sins of her parents. Um I just find that to be really sad and disheartening. Now what we observe in you is we observe the power of stories. Stories are hugely important. And the challenge with human psychology is that when you hear something especially young, you hear stories repeated. We take it as truth. And that's the power of faith. human beings are more emotional and faith driven. So, how do you know um that any of these stories which you were not around for are real?
>> I'm not sure they're real, but they do have uh uh teachings that they're they're they're applicable. Am I sure they're real? Am I 100% sure? I I can't tell you that, of course. But you can't tell me um you can't tell me who built the pyramids. No one saw those. you can't tell me who built um certain things. No one was there. So why are they able to jump to a conclusion about that?
>> Right? So in as much as that's the case, why sign on to this book that has 25 plus versions that are all unreliable that have been translated three times before it got to your language? Why trust something that's so flimsy?
>> Um it's it's called wisdom. You can just the same way you can look at someone and see they're telling lies. Same way you can read a book and and ask the divine to teach you how to read it or even compare the different versions. So I can read the this version the KJV. I can read the different versions. I know man is infallible and could have changed things but there's going to be a theme.
>> Oh he he certainly
>> he changed. Definitely agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. There's versions of the Bible. There's no agreement needed.
>> There's no agreement needed. But I I I do know man is infallible and could have changed different things, but um it does not mean there's there's teachings that are uh common throughout the different versions. Yeah, there might be tweaks here and there, but in generality, it all kind of makes sense and lines up.
>> Were you born into a family that taught you Christianity?
>> Yeah, but I I deviated when I got into university. I started to think for myself.
>> I went off and then I actually started to talk to people. So I talked to people who had read the Satanic Bible, the Baga, the Quran, all that stuff. Started to learn different things from other religions, whether Shinto and then I just always want felt that those other books were almost copying.
>> Um,
>> and
>> there's no doubt that some of them are copies and
>> at some and even the Quran will tell you that it respects the faith of the Muslim and is of the Jew and of the Christian and you'll find the same stories with minor modifications. There's no doubt. But I also find it funny that you don't have the level of self-awareness to realize that you you happen to go back to that thing that you learned as a kid. Uh that that's that's the pettiness of us as human beings. We we we sometimes delude ourselves. He's like, "Yeah, I went to college and I went kind of away from it, but but I came right back to what I was taught as a kid." Real quick, do a little bit of housekeeping. Um, shout out to uh St. Diaz writes, "Chicks these days." Oh, actually, I already read that one. Shout out to uh Jay. He writes, "Used the wrong address on an order just now. Would I be able to change it?" It is definitely possible that we can get that change if it didn't go to print. Sometimes depending on the hours and where the factory is, these things go to print immediately. um which is when you wouldn't be able to or should me they go to print and then ship quite quickly. So send an email now please to uh jasonquetism.com and ccmearquetism.com and then just put urgent in the subject line and then give us the order number uh and then we'll see if we can get that fixed for you. Amend the address. May I also acknowledge if anyone else has supported the work. Uh shout out to Gwinsley. He writes tuition for Okay. I actually didn't even get to finish reading that one. Uh because you come on.
>> Um, okay. Was there any uh closing words you had for us?
>> Uh just just a a sentence here just responding to some folks. Um Christianity is not a come all come one religion. Um it's not a religion. It's um it's more of a way of life. And the God of the Bible is he has strict standards. And even I I I love Muslims because they actually have strict standards that their people are actually following. But the pastors today are watering down the message so that they can fill their tithes and it's all come all come one. We don't care. We'll accept you the way you are.
>> You don't have to change anything about yourself. U Jesus died for all. That it's not really true.
>> So is it more of a philosophy or is it a religion? Is it like a philosophy that some can understand and execute or is it a religion?
>> I think it's it's something that some can understand and execute and it's it's being made uh into more of an enterprise I would say in the west. So that's why you have pastors who are just watering down the message just to get people in.
>> So what I find to be very challenging about your religion and everyone else's is that your God is so damn powerful but powerless at the same time. Your God is so damn powerful but powerless at the same time. Your Bible so your your Bible is so meaningful and impactful, but it damn sure ain't saving uh many of the the flock nowadays. And it's like, okay, well, if your God is so powerful and if the Bible is so clearly the right book, well then why is it that the conduct of Christians is so filthy? Why is it that we have
>> Oh, they don't read it.
>> They don't read it.
>> Now, here's the funny thing. You know, I could find another Christian that reads their Bible and tells me you're completely wrong. Do you realize that?
>> If if they read it, no, they don't read they don't read it. They don't read it.
>> Do you realize I can find another Christian, even a theologian,
>> correct?
>> Who who says they read their Bible and that you are completely wrong?
>> Cuz they're reading it through another man's eyes. You're not answering my question.
>> I agree with you. I agree with you. Agree with you. So you guys are in the same religion and don't agree at all.
>> Muslim religion is broken.
>> There's Sunni and there's different types.
>> But there's in Muslims there's there's different types. There's Sunni. your religion because your God is weaker than man. When your God becomes stronger than man, bring it back. But right now, retire it. You yourself that the only way I could know God as a human being is through the Bible because you ain't seen him. You ain't talking.
>> No, that's not true. You can speak to him. You can hear from him. You can hear from him. You can speak to him. You will pretend to me that you have audible conversations with God.
>> And
>> I have had I have seen things that eventually
>> just like I'm speaking to you. God speaks to you in clear English.
>> He speaks to you in whatever language you speak. So if you speak another language, he's going to speak to you.
>> He speak to you in
>> He spoken to me in English. He spoke in different languages. Any language I speak
>> to you in
>> French. Any language I understand. Oh,
>> okay. That's fascinating. He's gonna communic God has existed since the foundation of the world. So even though people who didn't speak English, he would have spoken to them
>> when he spoke to you.
>> Like did you ask him like, "Hey, what's the point of all this? If you're not going to interfere in human affairs for goodness, like why even be there?"
>> He interferes.
>> Oh, he does.
>> He does.
>> When does he interfere?
>> When it's in um in in everything. He's not going to stop someone.
>> Give me some examples
>> and and give you some examples.
>> Yeah. Give me some examples of when God has interfered for goodness because you do know there have been times that Christians have been victim of genocide, right?
>> Correct.
>> Yeah. And he ain't interfered. They died. So give me some examples.
>> There's nothing wrong with death.
>> There's nothing wrong with
>> There's nothing wrong with death. Everyone's going to die eventually. Everyone's gonna die eventually. What's wrong with death?
>> Here we go. Scared of death. I bet my life. But tell me when God interfered
>> in in everything. In everything is interfered in my life. Has he interfered in my life?
>> You said in everything. Give me a practical example that we all
>> practical example.
>> Not in your life
>> or in someone else's life.
>> No, just a practical example that you can point out and say, "Okay, did you all see that? That was God." Because I can give you a thousand examples when I say, "Did you see that? That's the absence of God. Where is he? He ain't clocked in work. He needs to check his voicemail. with full I can give you an infinite number of examples.
>> I I give I'll give you a
>> Wait, you're from Synagal, right? Are you Sagalles?
>> I'm from that part of the world. Ivory Coast. Yeah.
>> Ivory Coast. Okay. Fantastic. Close enough. Right.
>> Yeah.
>> We can talk about many tragedies in that land where you
>> and that was fine. And that is perfectly fine.
>> Right. So now give me a specific example where you can say that was God
>> in in history or in my life. Which one? because I don't want to I don't want to be anecdotal.
>> I'm gonna say this one more time.
>> Okay?
>> Not in your life. I did already say that two times.
>> Gotcha.
>> Not in your life. Something that is observable that we all know as a reference point
>> such that we can agree and say, you know what, you're right. That was God. Now, let me give you a counter example in case you don't comprehend what I'm saying.
>> Okay. So, uh the transatlantic slave,
>> you still not listening, but go ahead.
>> Did you hear me? the transatlantic slave trade and getting all the people over here from um West Africa, Central Africa, uh East Africa. It was by God's design.
>> I'm going to repeat what you said so that we understand.
>> Yes.
>> I'm going make sure we understand exactly the transatlantic of blacks from the western coast of Africa.
>> Correct. You stated getting everyone over here, which would refer to the new world, North America, Caribbean, South America. You said
>> that was a something done by God and it was a good it was a good thing.
>> No, it was a punishment.
>> Oh, it was a punishment of the blacks.
>> Uh of the of the uh Weston and Central Africans. Yes.
>> And why did the West and Central Africans Why did the black people deserve the punishment of God?
>> Um if throughout the Bible uh at different times uh when the people of God had sinned, so the Israelites had sinned, they were taken captive by by the Babylonians, they were taken captive by the Assyrians.
>> Okay. Where in the Bible does it say the black West Africans uh have sinned and deserved this uh punishment?
>> Uh Deuteronomy 28. You can go through that. There you can see. I I'll pull it up. Let's take a look.
>> It doesn't say black West Africans, but it says Israelites. So, what I'm trying to say is that
>> I cannot speak in clear words that we understand.
>> So, what I'm trying to say is the term Israelites is more of a a European term, but uh the the term Israelites is a European term. The term black,
>> all the terms you're using are European terms. You speak French and you speak English. All the terms are European. Come on now.
>> So, gotcha. So what I'm saying the people that's talked about in Deuteronomy 28 are the central Africans and the West Africans. That's exactly what I'm saying.
>> Okay. And what I'm saying
>> I'm saying the Israelites in the Bible are the western and central Africans. So that's exactly what I'm saying.
>> So you're stating that you believe the Israelites referenced in the Bible are the black
>> I don't believe is is cultural. It's it's part of my heritage. It's t it's taught to us.
>> I hear what you're saying. Gotcha.
>> I hear what you're saying. Gotcha.
>> But you're stating that you believe the term Israelite mentioned in whatever version of the Bible you read and we'll pull up the scripture.
>> You believe those persons are the blacks of West and Central Africa.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Got you. Now let's pull up Deuteronomy and then we will find out how you are identifying those groups of people as the Israelites. But first, let's pull up the scripture because that's a major problem with a lot of people who claim to follow something.
>> They don't know the scripture. What is the scripture?
>> Deuteronomy 28. Deuteronomy is the fifth fifth uh is after Numbers. So, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.
>> Okay. If you wouldn't mind, I'm just
>> Old Testament. Old Testament.
>> I'm just going to go through this if you don't mind. So, we got Deuteronomy 28. And it you want us to go through all of 28 or where whereabout does this cut off?
>> Uh not all of 28. It's a very long book. So usually Christians are too lazy to even read that stuff.
>> Um or else it
>> Yeah, it's long. It's long as
>> Uhhuh.
>> You know, it's long. So if if you go to a section that says um curses, you're gonna be able to see that.
>> What verse? Oh man, we we we can we can go to we it's a long the curses are quite quite a number. So we can even just look at
>> give me a verse.
>> Um we can look at 54 for example.
>> Okay. So
>> yeah we can you can just start from there for example.
>> 54. You got it.
>> Do you have it open or no? Okay. You have it open.
>> Do you see it on the screen?
>> All right. So 54. Here we are.
>> Yeah.
>> quote,
>> "Even the most,
>> you know, let's start from 49." 49.
>> All right. Are you sure now?
>> Uh, it's gonna give us context.
>> Okay. All right. So, here we are. 49.
>> Yeah.
>> The Lord will bring a nation against you from far away from the All right. First off, who's you?
>> Israelites, the Western Central uh Africans.
>> Okay. So, since I'm reading the book,
>> correct?
>> Say I'm a white man.
>> Why is it not talking about me? um is not talking about them. So uh that's the thing.
>> That's the thing. Uh this book was was written by certain people for certain people and just like hip-hop and the way they try to don't play that. Don't
>> No, no, no. Because they've been doing that for centuries. No.
>> We're reading the book. We're reading your book. Yeah.
>> Your your book that is of God.
>> Yeah.
>> And God ain't got good enough English so that we can understand.
>> No, no, no. That's not the oldest version of the book. There's the Ethiopian Bible. There's older books than that. So that's the the first Bible that existed was the Ethiopian Bible.
>> We can just read it for the audience. We can just read it.
>> Was Ethiopian Bible written in high g.
>> No, I don't.
>> No, I don't.
>> Then why why are we talking then?
>> So why can't we just read the one that's the English one that everyone else can understand on this on this?
>> Because I was just reading it and it doesn't make sense. He said for you. He's talking to you. He's talking to the Israelites. He said a nation is reader.
>> Sorry.
>> No, you refer you would refer to the reader. It could have very easily had the word Israelites there. I I'll take you back to the scripture. And it's worth taking our time here. You see, this is the re and mind you, I'm just five words into your holy book, my brother. I'm five words into your holy book. It's already nonsense. But let's go through it. Here we are. Pay attention.
>> English.
>> Gotcha.
>> My first language. The Lord will bring a nation against you.
>> Very easily read. The Lord will bring a nation against the Israelites. Could have easily said that.
>> I think it will say that at the top, but
>> okay.
>> Wait, the top meaning verse what?
>> Um, from the beginning of the chapter. So, it's talking to the Israelites. So for I asked you a man,
>> you don't have time to read through 60 84.
>> I asked you where do we start?
>> I asked you where do we start? Did I tell you there's a time limit?
>> If there's a book for me and it's saying and this is written to
>> I'm just asking you tell me there's a time limit.
>> I said I want to understand this.
>> Sure. Sure.
>> Where do I start? I didn't I didn't say there's a time. I said where do I start? Do I seem like right now I'm worried about the super chats? I read one super chat. I'm not on topic at all.
>> Gotcha. Gotcha.
>> I didn't signed up for this. I signed up for this.
>> Okay. So, um verse 49 is enough because if a book is written for you, let me go.
>> If a book is written for you and it says you, then it it is you. If it's if it's someone else from Iraq that they're saying you, it doesn't apply. It does not apply to them.
>> So, one, I find it strange that your your holy book is racialized. I find it curious your holy book is racialized. I also find it strange that it's using you, but you could be anybody. It could be a woman. It could be a white guy from Kentucky. Could be a black guy from Los Angeles. That's the strange part.
>> It's not it. It's for if if a message is for you and it's part of your heritage, then it's for you. If someone else goes,
>> let's read 49. I'm back on it.
>> Okay. The Lord will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down. a nation whose language you will not understand. Now, mind you, this is some general stuff. Shout out to the Bible for being general as hell, cuz this could have occurred in any colonial situation you would name. Could have even occurred referring to the British taking over the Chinese.
>> Carrying on,
>> a fierce looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. Mhm.
>> They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. We could be describing Carthage here. Whiteon white or excuse me, we could be describing Carthage here when the Romans came down dealing with the North Africans. They will leave you no grain, no wine or olive oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flock until you are ruined. Calves are calves cows. Help me out.
>> The baby young
>> baby calf is a baby is a baby. Yeah.
>> Huh. Are are cows original to Africa?
>> No, they're not original to Africa.
>> Are you sure?
>> I'm I'm not
>> No, there's tons of them. There's tons of them there all over the place.
>> Yeah, but but are they Were they original to?
>> I I don't know. I don't know. Ah, I see.
>> You don't know to be frank.
>> Ah, I see.
>> Um, but anyway, you go down through that book.
>> No, it's not anyway. It's not anyway. Let me tell you why it's not anyway.
>> And I just want to float some ideas. They could be wrong. I could be making up stuff, but you're a wise theologian.
>> Sure.
>> Do you know that a lot of black people are lactose intolerant? Did you know that?
>> Lactose. Did he say milk in that place?
>> No, we've not mentioned milk.
>> Exactly. Did you did it say milk in that chapter?
>> No, you're not paying attention. I'm 10 moves ahead of you. Do you know that black people many of them are lactose intolerant?
>> Of course, I know that.
>> Okay, you do know that um West Africans and Central Africans are lactose intolerant.
>> Why might they be lactose intolerant?
>> Because they don't drink they don't drink milk.
>> Milk comes from where?
>> From cows.
>> Cows. Maybe they hadn't spent centuries and eons around cows milking and domesticating them.
>> They eat them. They eat the meat
>> since.
>> Since ever. That's why he didn't say milk there. Didn't you notice he didn't say milk? He talked about olive oil.
>> Focus though. Focus though. Olive oil. Are African nations known for their olive oil?
>> Have they been in the past?
>> Of course.
>> Really? Which one?
>> Olive oil. Which ones?
>> In the west and central Africa, it's all olive oil.
>> What was the name of the the empires that were known for olive oil in Western Africa?
>> Empires
>> or or the tribes, whatever you want to call it. Who's known for olive oil? Because when I think olive oil, I think initially most people start to think of what civilization.
>> Great. What? All of a sudden, his his his internet's going out again. Hold on one second. Popping back in. Can you hear me? Oh man, his camera. He done turned his camera off. Thank you. Greece. Yeah, we gonna get into it. Um, when we hear olive oil, what civilization do we think of? Hello, saint. Um, and firstly, a lot of people are talking about how all of Firstly, a lot of things in this book are actually changed by the Greeks. Um, first
>> Oh, you're saying this Bible was modified by the Greek men
>> by the Greeks. I'm saying Israel is not that
>> because one of the early Bibles was
>> one that Israel is not that small piece of land. It's actually western and central Africa and South Africa.
>> Okay. Have you noticed on a consist Have you noticed that on a consistent basis every time we try to pin you down on your holy book, all of a sudden you're like, "Oh, not this book. It's it's you got to go to to you got to go to Hold on one second. Hold on. Hold on one second."
>> Okay. Sure, brother. Every time we try to pin you down, you say, "Oh, not this book. It's the Ethiopian Bible is the first Bible. It's written in geese." Then we pin you down, you're like, "Okay, well, this Bible comes from the Greek editing." And every time we do that, we can tell that you're not operating on facts, logic, evidence. You're operating on emotion. And
>> the emotion of study, please, my brother, read, read, read the Ethiopian Bible. I'm saying the
>> You haven't read the Ethiopian?
>> I have read I read the book of Enoch, which which is founded Ethiopian Bible.
>> In what language? in I read the English translation.
>> You ain't even read the version. You ain't read I'm not gonna read yes. I'm not from Ethiopia. I'm not okay. So here's a here's my problem.
>> Sure.
>> The Bible is written largely in allegory and metaphor.
>> True.
>> Stop it.
>> It's a book of stories. No. No. It's a book of stories.
>> It's history book. It's a history book.
>> No, sir.
>> It's a history book, my brother.
>> You're patently wrong. You're looking at the Old Testament is more straightforward. The Old Testament is a history book.
>> The Old Testament is more straightforward. The Bible, which is the collection of both, is largely written using literary devices. That is a fact.
>> But it's a history book as well.
>> Literary,
>> it's both.
>> Literary devices are complex devices.
>> And when you change languages, I don't know what, five times before it got to you. Five times before it got to you. You telling me that your message has been kept kept?
>> I'm saying I'm saying Israel. It's not that desert. The land of milk and honey is western, central and south. Answer some questions. By the time you have gold, that's where you have bite. That's where you have minerals.
>> Answer some questions instead of running. and all the food
>> instead of running.
>> Your book, your book,
>> it had to go through five linguistic translations before it reached your comfort language of English.
>> I'm saying um
>> Do you realize Roman I'm saying the Romans
>> stop talking and answer questions? Just we're I'm asking you some questions now because I've given you time to talk at length.
>> Okay, please go. Go on.
>> You can acknowledge that your book has gone through five linguistic translations before it got to a language you can understand? Um, no. I I've actually read it in some of my uh in the tribal languages of my parents as well. So,
>> your parents tribal language didn't even have its own script.
>> That's not true, my brother.
>> That is a fact. I'll look it up, right? I'll prove it. This is how good I am. Before we before you've told me what your parents tribal languages, I already know it doesn't have a script.
>> I already know.
>> It doesn't even have its own script. So, let's prove it right now. What is your parents tribal language? I'mma pop it into Google, which knows more than both of us. What's your parents tribal language?
>> Google, you did you did a video showing how
>> What is yours tribal language
>> was changing how war was being fought in Palestine?
>> Stop running. What is your parents tribal language?
>> Yoruba,
>> you know, I've heard of that before, right?
>> You're a smart man, Saint. You're a smart man. So,
>> no, we're not talking about smart. We're talking about knowledge right now. Smart and knowledge are different, right?
>> Gotcha.
>> You can be smart and not have much knowledge. You can have a lot of knowledge and not be smart at all.
>> That's true.
>> I've heard of Yoruba. Give me a second. Let's see.
>> Do Yuruba have a script?
>> A script?
>> Like a scripture? Of course, they're Yoruba Bites.
>> No, no, no, no, no. We're not talking about scripture. We're talking about script. When the word script is used in linguistics, we're talking about like, for example, letters.
>> An alphabet, of course.
>> Yeah. Yeah. like an alphabet.
>> Of course,
>> it had its own alphabet.
>> Yes, it does.
>> You say why not? In fact, a lot of white supremacist scholars, they've insulted the Africans saying that they don't have
>> they they don't have civilization. And one of the major tenants of civilization is language. And one of the major pieces of language is script. And many cultures don't have their own script, right? like you can speak French, English, um you can speak uh Romanian, you can speak Italian, all on one script, which is to say one set of characters and letters.
>> Correct?
>> So having a script is a major foundational piece of development and civilization. So, I'm saying to you, if you're telling me that this Euro Euroba Bible is is legit, I'm saying, "Well, well, did these people, these ancient people with ancient wisdom have their own script,
>> meaning their own set of letters?"
>> Yeah,
>> that's their own letters, the alphabet. Yeah, correct.
>> Um, a lot of white supremists, they came um they stole our stuff, they stole our people. um they they made uh they you know I'm not going to name any groups and throw them under the bus but they they use certain groups um to come against us. Uh firstly not all Africans are from the same bloodline. That's that's a first. Um so you have a lot of the North Africans who are from an entire different bloodline and they can actually be traced back and they know their history. They're actually traced back to the pharaohs of Egypt. And um I I I not going to throw any particular groups under the bus, but um there's there's not all bloodlines. Just because a person's black does not mean they're from the same bloodline. Um and that's why there's a lot of wars uh over there because they're actually in from the same bloodline, just have the same complexion. Uh so you have the
>> the Amitic tribes, the Kushites. Okay. I'm not gonna go into deep only because it's impossible to to ever pin you down because when we started talking you, oh, well, you got to read the Ethiopian Bible. And then I was like, well, did you read that? Then you're like, okay, well, you got to read the Euroba Bible. And I'm like, wait, what? And then,
>> no, the Euroba Bible has
>> We keep bouncing around
>> because you have to read a lot of things to have knowledge. You just said that yourself. This not this is not a thing.
>> I actually did not say that. Um,
>> you have to have knowledge. You can't just be smart. You have to actually study different things. You have to study history. You have to study history of different peoples from all over the world. The blood types.
>> What you're suggesting is that God made it damn near impossible for people to really have the true knowledge of Christianity. That's what you're you're arguing.
>> No, he made it pretty clear, but people choose to read into what they want. They they look
>> So God created beings that can't understand Christianity. That that's not sensible. But anyways, um we can we can agree to disagree there. I appreciate you uh coming on and sharing your perspective in a respectful manner. And so uh thank you very much for the support, Tom. And honestly, it's a pleasure to meet you.
>> Myself. Myself.
>> Yes, sir. Thank
>> Isaac. Uh did you have something to say? Okay. I don't know what's going on with bro. Like bro turned his camera off as soon as we put him on. Carry on. Uh let's get back to this work, ladies and saints. Um now you guys see why I'm able to destroy these religions because the adherence makes so many excuses and never in their religion do they talk about helping people. It's like damn what happened to that part you know like what happened to the help people part to me that's core you know if human beings are creations of God and unlike a beast we are able to understand God and God is of goodness essentially in serving his creations man do we not serve God at the same time why can't we serve people help people it it's so strange you know the gentleman comes on and basically says yeah like all those bad things happening. God's signing off. Like, okay. Then I said, give me an example of something that God did that was good. And all of a sudden, he's just like at a loss for words. And he I said, give me an example of something where we can look at it and say that was God. He tells me of the transatlantic enslavement. An enslavement that saw millions die at the bottom of the ocean, drowning or being devoured by sharks, and then many millions more, reach a new land that is foreign and suffer century of abuse. What? That was God's word. Like, bro, I ain't messing with your God. Your God dirty, Brody. That was crazy. Like, that was insane. And Brody was dead serious. But shout out to him. Um, I respect the fact that he came on. He comported himself well. He was a a gentleman about the conversation and you know we can't uh take that away from him and we have different views and as men uh we can part