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You know, Islam corresponds to our common sense. Yes. Common sense is what people are created with. Yes, it's our natural inclination. Yes, for example, to worship one perfect God. Okay, any person with common sense will say, "Yes." It makes sense, doesn't it? Yes, yes. Okay. Islam came to inform you that, for example, God has the attribute of might and power and so on, doesn't it? Yes, yes. God said it is not befitting for Him to have a surname. And this makes sense to any person, because to have a surname is human nature, for them to care about you, take your surname and so on. Alright, I accept that. Therefore, when we adhere to Islamic teachings, they correspond to our common sense and reasoning. Therefore, the one who gave us common sense is the creator. And He is the one who gave us Islam, the perfect way of life. Excellent. Okay, thank you. One more question, and I'll leave you. Alright. But can I ask you a question? No. No, please, no. Alright, you can ask it after I ask. Where are you from, if you don't mind? From South Africa. Oh, South Africa. Please, my friend, please. Alright. My only question, please tell me, what will happen to people who lived on the entire Earth? Because there were many people on planet Earth who lived without knowing Islam. That's right. Sorry, they lived this life. And lived? Lived. Okay. They lived without knowing Islam. They kind of, yes, they didn't hear about Islam, but they lived in a way that didn't harm other people. You could say they lived a decent life. Yes, I understand what you mean. Please tell me, what will happen to these people? Alhamdulillah, our Prophet, peace be upon him, gave us the answer. He said, "If someone died without hearing about Islam, yes, Allah will not punish him just like that, but first Allah will test him." Do you know why? That is, first he will test. Yes. Then tell me, what is this test? Allah knows best. There are some narrations speaking about this test, but I'm not sure if they are authentic or not. But Allah will test them on the Day of Judgment, because Allah said in the Quran that Allah will not punish people until the message reaches them. Did you understand? This is amazing, yes? So, until the message reaches them, He will not punish them. Yes. But I also want to mention, you said they live a good life or a decent life. Yes. But the biggest part of being decent and good and decent is to worship one God. Being good to your neighbors, friends, your family is good. But not being good to the one who gave you all this is the greatest evil. However, there are some ignorant people, they don't know, yes, exactly. They are brainwashed. Therefore, Allah said that we never punish people until the message reaches them. Okay. But as a Christian, do you have such a teaching? Okay. No, no, no. Before we move on to Christianity, I am asking you questions. This is the last question. The last question. Alright. But what do you think will happen to these people? What do you think will happen to them? But I already told you what Islam says. This is the teaching of Islam. This is not something I choose to believe. This is what Islam tells me. Okay. It is not a question of my opinion. It is what Islam teaches me, as a Muslim. Whatever Allah and His Messenger say, I believe in it 100%. So, it is possible. Then it is possible that some people who never accepted Islam, it is possible for them to go to Paradise. No, no, no, it is not like that. You have to be more specific. It is only possible for someone who has never heard of Islam, and he will be tested on the Day of Judgment. Yes, and if he passes this test, then he will enter Paradise. And this test will be in accordance with Islam, because Islam is absolute and final. Alright, I will clarify something for you. When we tell people that Islam is the final religion, we mean specifically the ruling and the Sharia that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, came with. Because Islam is the religion of all creations. That is, Islam is the religion of all beings. Yes. But wait, was Islam present during Abraham's time? Yes, that's right. Yes. Because what is Islam? After all, Islam is an Arabic term. Well, then a second, can I ask you? That is, but before that, before that, what does Islam mean? Because, you know, what is happening now? People are mixing an Arabic term with other languages. Islam means that you submit yourself to one creator according to His teachings. According to His teachings, that is, through His prophets and messengers. Abraham submitted to one Creator. Right? Yes. According to what teaching? According to the teaching of the Torah. The Torah? No, Abraham came even before the revelation of the Torah. Abraham? Yes, he came before the Torah. You didn't know that? No, no, no, wait a second. I'm asking you. You said he submitted to the Creator according to the teaching? Of course, the Torah. No, not the Torah. According to God's teaching. Yes, but these teachings were given to Moses. Weren't they? No. It was before Moses. No. What I'm saying is that Abraham, look, the foundations are clear, the same. Worship only one God. And all messengers and prophets came with this message. No, no, no. What I'm asking is, yes, I know Abraham was before Moses. What I'm talking about is Abraham, do you believe Abraham was a Muslim? Yes, without a doubt. And you agreed with that? No, I don't believe that. Did he submit to God? Yes, he submitted to God. According to what teaching? According to the Bible. There was no Bible at that time. How can it be according to the Bible? According to the word of God, which I believe, Abraham did not know. Even Jesus never knew about the Bible. No, no, no. Did you know that? Jesus believed in the books of Moses. Right, but were they called the Bible? No, they were called the Torah. Then that's it. Well, wait a second. Do you believe in that? Let's go step by step. To whom was the Torah given? It was given to Moses. Right? Yes. Okay. Abraham had a son named Isaac. Yes. Isaac had a son named Jacob or Israel? Yes. Jacob. Jacob lived before Moses. Moses came after him. Yes. How could Abraham believe in the end in the God of the Torah, which happened thousands of years after him? No. You must remember that in the eleventh chapter in the Epistle to the Hebrews, it says: "By faith Abraham's faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, Jesus' mouth." The word of God was distributed from Adam to his sons. I agree with that. Alright, okay. But I'm saying that Abraham submitted to God, right? Yes. According to God's teaching. Right? Yes. Through the revelation that God gave him. Yes. That is what it means to be a Muslim. That's all. Okay. Okay. If not, was he a Christian? Was Abraham a Christian? I believe he lived and believed in God according to Judaism. But Abraham never believed that Jesus was God. Did you know? Okay. But we are not discussing Jesus here, but I am just showing you. Let me ask you, can I finish? Okay, I will tell you what Allah said in the Quran. So I am showing you that the Quran is the book of Allah. Allah said: "Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian. He was a Muslim and was not among the polytheists. He was a Muslim. And we know that historically this makes sense. Look, where did Judaism come from? Judaism. From whom did it originate? It originated from the Jews. From the Jews? No. Judaism originated from Judah. Yes, but Judah was part of the sons of Israel. I understand that. So if Judaism originated from Judah, then Isaac and Jacob were not Jews, because Judaism originated after them. That's fine. Okay, but step by step. Okay. If Jacob, that is Israel, and Isaac were not Jews, how then could Abraham, their grandfather and father, be a Jew? So Abraham was not a Jew, he was a Muslim. And was he a Christian? No, because Christianity appeared after Jesus. And Jesus himself was not a Christian, he was a Muslim. Alright, okay, listen. Alright, so be a Muslim too. Listen, the question about Judaism and Hinduism and who Jesus was is No, 100% he was not a follower of Hinduism and he was not a Christian. He was 100% a Muslim. Alright, okay, if you want to believe that, but do you, as a Muslim, accept that? No. Not because I want to believe it, but it is a fact. Okay, if you want to believe that, it is a historical fact. You yourself confirmed it recently. No, no, no, wait a second. By Allah, you confirmed it recently. You accepted that Abraham worshipped God according to His teaching. And that is called Islam. Alright, alright, let's leave it. I will ask you one more question, and then I will leave. Do you believe in the first five books of Moses? Not everything in them. You believe in God's commandments. Can I answer now? You are like being interrogated, answer immediately. No, I'm just asking questions. Yes, I'm joking. Look, we believe in the Torah that Allah gave to Moses. Okay. Not specifically the 10 commandments. Make sure you are listening. And step by step. Yes, I am listening. Don't focus on how to object. Okay. Listen first. I don't want to answer the same question multiple times. I believe in the Torah that was given to Moses. Yes, but the Torah that we have now is not the same Torah that was given to Moses. And scholars of Judaism will confirm this. Not me, but scholars of Judaism will answer you that it is not the same Torah. Okay. So basically, what are you claiming? Do you want me to prove you? To prove you. Wait, wait a second. So basically, you are telling me that I should respect the word of scholars who say that the Torah has changed. No, I'm saying, you should respect the evidence. Where is the original Torah? Sorry, but it was not given for you to ask me about it. It was given to others. Ask those to whom it was given. If it had been given, you could ask me this question. And secondly, just listen, the Torah was given to Moses, right? So God spoke to Moses with the Torah. Yes. How did it happen that in Deuteronomy, in the last chapter, he said that Moses died in the land of Moab, yes. And he was 100 something years old. Yes. And the Israelites wept for him. Yes. And since then, there has been no prophet like Moses. These passages clearly show us that the one who inserted these passages came after Moses, because it is illogical and irrational to say that, for example, that my brother Jamal, may Allah protect him from such, died today. And then I cannot say that since then there has been no one like Jamal. Someone will tell me, how since then? After all, Jamal died today. Therefore, since then indicates that there was a large time gap. Alright. So who wrote this passage of the Torah? I don't know. Who wrote this passage? Then how can you claim that it was not revealed to Moses? You said you don't know who it is. Wait a second. Let's not do that. What I'm saying is, let's not attack the Bible like you do. Leave the Bible. But you asked me about the Bible. I just provided you with a fact. You asked me about the Bible. I answered you on topic. Yes, but you Let's get back to the question. But I already answered. Alright, listen, one last thing. Let me ask you one last question, because I see you have many brothers here, but there are also sisters. Alhamdulillah, brothers and sisters in Islam. Does Islam accept God's commandments that were given to Moses? God's commandments, specifically, the 10 commandments of Moses. Wait, wait. First of all, I don't know them all, so I cannot claim. I know the first one. Worship one God, love Him with all your heart. We accept that. Do not kill people unjustly. Yes, we accept that, but I don't know them all. Some scholars said 700 years ago that the 10 commandments that were given to Moses, they have been changed. But can you tell me the 10 commandments in detail? Before I do that, I want to ask. But brother, before answering you, I must understand what you are talking about. Imagine that one of the commandments says that you must worship me. No, so I'm asking you. I asked you if you know the 10 commandments? And you, I know some of them. Alright. So you know some of them? And do you know them all? Yes, I know them all. Alright. Can you list them? I am the Lord your God, and you shall have no other gods. Yes, we accept that. Do not bow down to any idol or image. Yes, we accept that. Do not take the name of the Lord in vain, for the Lord will not leave unpunished him who takes his name in vain. Yes, we accept that. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Sabbath. Sabbath is only for some, but not for all of us. Is it for you to observe the Sabbath? Yes, I believe in that. So you don't observe Sunday, but you observe Saturday. Yes, I observe Saturday. Ah, I see, you are from another denomination of Christians who observe Saturday. Let me ask you a question. You just said that, honestly, you are not honest. No. No, but you did. Do you know why? You told me that you believe in the five books in the Torah. But I just wanted. But you have to be honest. You have to be honest. Alright, speak. I just demonstrated to you, yes, that the five books that were given to Moses, there is evidence in them that they were not given to Moses. Okay, but, brother, but you have to let me finish. With all due respect, please, do not interrupt. Alright, speak. And the second point is, can you tell me what is the earliest manuscript of the Torah? I have no idea. Okay, I will tell you without a problem. The first manuscript of the Torah was written: "900 years after Moses: "Peace be upon him." Okay, that's fine, that's fine, continue. No, it's not fine, brother. You have to listen carefully, because as a Muslim, I just, this is information that I didn't know. Speak. Alright, let me. When I come here, I leave my family. Okay. I don't leave them to come here and joke. Me too. Continue. Therefore, if you are sincere, listen carefully. Okay. Go ahead. Torah. The earliest manuscript of the Torah that we have is written: "900 years after Moses." Okay. So someone came 900 years after Moses? Yes. And he tells us that Moses said this and he did that. Okay. Okay. You know him, we don't know him, and scholars don't know him. Okay. Yes. If we don't know him, can we trust him? No, we cannot. Why then do you believe in the Torah? Because in the second Epistle to Timothy, chapter three, verse sixteen, it says that every passage of scripture, that is, the Bible, is inspired by God. How did you know that these words are true? Wait, wait, Shamsi, listen. No, no, wait, wait. Step by step, you said in the Epistle to Timothy, that is, Paul said, he said that all sacred scriptures were inspired by God. Right? Absolutely everything. No problem. Are you sure? Because I will refute that too, for the sake of argument. Are you sure that Paul was talking about these manuscripts? After all, he was not present at that time. Listen, I'm talking about the Bible. Then your argument is incorrect. I'm giving you my answer. Alright, please. I say that my Bible, which I have today, I believe that it is all inspired by God. Prove it. No, before we go there. No, no, you cannot make claims and leave your claims without proof. First, prove it to me, and prove to me that what Paul said in the Epistle to Timothy, he was specifically talking about that. Because the earliest manuscript of Paul's words that we have came 100 years after him. Okay? So prove it. Listen, no, no, no. I'm proceeding from what the word of God says. But how did you understand that it is the word of God? Because, as I said, I believe in it, but it is blind faith. Okay, but do you also have blind faith? No, look what you are doing. Wait a second. I was the first to come with my first question about whether you believe in the Torah, in the five books. I have already answered you that question. But before we move on to that, with all due respect, but you have blind faith. Don't accuse everyone around if you have blind faith. In Islam, however, but this is something we cannot see. No, no, in Islam, you don't have to see something to believe in it. For example, here is brother Ihsan and Jamal. Yes, and these brothers whom I know. Yes, if they tell me something, I don't need to see it to believe it. Okay. For example, sometimes we use a GPS navigator. Do you know GPS navigator? Yes. You are going to a place where you have never been before. Right. But you still trust the navigator, even if you haven't seen it. Yes. Therefore, in order to know about something, we don't need to see it directly. Yes, I know. Let me finish. Therefore, there are other ways of knowing, do you understand? Yes, that's fine. And one of the ways, because in those times there were no cameras and no microphones. How to know that someone said or did something? We need to check the narrators and transmitters. Therefore, in Islam, we have a science called Isnad. What is it? It is a detailed verification of the chain of narrators and transmitters. Now let's get back to your Bible, which you keep talking about. You cannot provide any evidence that this book is from God. Okay, let's accept that. Let's say: "I agree with what you said, for the sake of argument." Now let me ask you. No, no, don't say. Let's accept it for the sake of argument. No, with all due respect, but it's not nice to do that. What's your name? Ridwan. Ridwan. Okay. You know, Ridwan is a very beautiful name. Thank you. Ridwan, look, we are not here for useless arguments, but we are here to establish the truth. I'm just asking you, don't you hear what I'm saying? Alright, speak. But how will I speak if you are speaking? I will let you finish. Alright, Ridwan, my way of talking to people. Yes, I don't like it when people get too distracted. I don't like it when people twist and don't answer my questions and don't address each point in detail and clearly. My question is as follows. I have just shown you clear evidence from the Bible and from outside the Bible that the Bible cannot be trusted, and we don't know who wrote it, but nevertheless you continue to say for the sake of argument. Do you know what you should have said? Shamsi, look, you made a good claim. Let me go back and study this matter. Don't tell me for the sake of argument, but I have shown you evidence. Okay, now I can speak. Yes, you can speak. Of course, you have a lineage. I have never seen it. I have never seen Jesus, but I believe that he existed, and I believe in him. Do you understand what I'm saying? I have never seen him and I have never heard people. Then how do you know that he existed? I know it from the scriptures. Again, you know, what you are doing is called circular reasoning. Okay, but what I'm saying, that's why I say praise be to Allah for Islam, therefore Islam is better. Okay, that's fine. I agree that you say Islam is better. Then become a Muslim if you understand that it is better. No, no, listen to what I'm asking. No, wait, you said you understand that Islam is better, so, logically, you should become a Muslim? No, I meant, I accept your statement for you. Of course, it is my statement, not someone else's. Therefore, I am asking you: "Let me ask you a question. Let's go back to the ten commandments." Alright, please, continue. So you said that you do not worship other gods and do not make idols or images for yourself. I respect that. And after that, the fourth commandment, which I mentioned, says: "Honor your father and your mother." Yes, I accept that. Yes, and the best way is through Islam. Say again: the way we honor our parents in Islam is the best way. Okay, I accept. And you shall not commit adultery, and you shall not steal. Yes, I accept that. And you shall not kill unjustly. You shall not kill unjustly. Be more specific. You shall not kill unjustly. Okay. My Bible does not say that. No, it does, because if it says you shall not kill, why did Moses kill people? But it was not God's command, but you just told me in the commandments that you shall not kill. Yes. Why then did Moses kill people? He made a mistake when he did that. No, it was God who told him. God told him in the first book of Kings and in the book of Leviticus to go and kill. No, I'm talking about the incident when he killed that Egyptian and hid him in the sand. That is, there are two Moses. Moses in Exodus and Moses in Leviticus. Which book are you talking about? I'm talking about the first book of Kings, when God gave the order to Moses: "It is good to go and besiege the city, and that he may kill people." So now it's okay, but you know, step by step, because there is the beauty of Islam in this. Islam gives specificity and certainty: do not kill unjustly, because we live in a world where you sometimes have to kill someone who is going to kill you. Okay, Islam is not a joke, but Islam is a religion that corresponds to our common sense. Alright. And another point. You said that the commandment says you shall not kill. Okay. Yes. The same God said: "Moses, do not kill." And the same God said: "Moses: "Kill." So which one is it? Do not kill or kill? Okay, I will explain it. When you study the history of the Bible, you will see that the children of Israel were under a theocracy. What does theocracy mean? It means that God brought the children of Israel out of Egypt, and He was their king. Why? Because in the first chapter of Kings, verse 10, the sons of Israel said to Samuel: "Make us kings, so that we may be like all the other nations." Yes, I know this story. Then God said to Samuel: "Do not cry, they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me." Therefore, throughout this time, God was the one who ruled the sons of Israel and guided them. He was their God, and He was their king, in fact. But when they decided to be like other nations, the theocracy moved from the laws that God gave them to now being like other nations and their laws. But with all due respect, Ridwan, that was not my question. But okay, continue. So, the answer is this. Therefore, you will also find souls, when David, he, but I didn't ask you about souls, but I asked, when God told Moses: "Kill, and the same God told him: "Do not kill." So which one is right? Therefore, I corrected you: do not kill unjustly. That is, you agree with me that you should not kill unjustly? No, no, I don't believe in that. So you should not kill at all? Yes, at all. Then why did God command Moses to kill? Moses. When you look at the nations in the Bible that were killed by God's people, their scales of iniquity were full. In other words, their iniquities and sins were full. I understand that. But when God told Moses to kill, was He right or wrong? Was God right when He said, "Kill?" Yes, 100% He was right. And when He said, "Do not kill," was He right or wrong? His commandment says, "Do not kill." I'm asking: "When God told Moses, 'Do not kill,' was He right or not? He was right. And when He told him, 'Kill,' was He right or wrong? He was right. That is, they are both valid, to kill and not to kill? Yes. In those times, God was leading the sons of Israel. I understand that. That is, God said to kill. Yes. He told him to destroy those nations. That is, there was a time when God said, "Kill." Yes. That is, when God says, "Do not kill," it does not mean all the time, because there was a time in the Bible when God said to kill. Yes. Therefore, when God said to kill, without any doubt, God will not tell you to oppress. He said to kill based on justice, didn't He? Yes, of course. I said, do not kill unjustly, that's all. I just want to make it easier for you. Look, Shamsi, he told them to kill, and I have to go for the evening prayer. Look, he told them, "Kill." Because the sins of the nation exceeded the limit. I understand what excuse you are looking for, but he said, "Kill, regardless of what excuses there are for it." Yes. And regarding certain excuses, I do not agree. Yes, they had their excuses. That's fine. So, you said that you agree with all these commandments. Therefore, I ask you as a Muslim. I ask you as a Muslim, why, if Islam accepts all these commandments, but rejects the Sabbath? Because, for starters, Islam does not reject the Sabbath. Yes, Islam accepts that the Sabbath was given to the people of the book, Christians and Jews. We have no problem with that. The Sabbath was given to them. Who gave them the Sabbath? Allah gave them the choice. And they chose the Sabbath. They chose it to do good deeds. And that's all. And Allah gave us Friday. A blessed day. Jews and Christians chose Saturday, the day that God blessed. And to us, Muslims, Allah gave Friday and made it a blessed day. A blessed day is not Sunday and not Saturday, it is Friday. Okay, that's according to your reasoning. No, no, wait, wait, wait. This is according to the Quran, which we can prove is from God. You keep talking about Genesis or, but you cannot prove that it is a teaching from God. But that's why I said that I believe. You cannot prove it. You have blind faith. Take care of yourself, Ridwan. I need to go for prayer. May Allah guide you to the straight path. Alright, thank you. Okay. Listen, I'm listening. Think about these things.