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Hi everybody. Today's Saturday, July 4th, 2026, and our dear friend Larry Johnson is here with us. Look at this beautiful shirt he put.
>> Yeah. Broke out broke out one of the fourth fourth of July shirts.
>> Yeah. Beautiful. And happy 4th of July, Larry. And let me start with the some sort of communication between the head of Iranian parliament and Donald Trump. Donald Trump recently he said that Iran there Iran is supposed to use money to buy food for their people because right now their people are very hungry. They're starving and they're buying it exclusively from the United States, corn, soybean, wheat, and all of that. And here what the Iranian the head of Iranian parliament yesterday posted that imagine, he says, imagine having 40 something million of your own citizens on food stamps and call another nation hungry. This is not a proclamation. This is a projection. uh that is the the response from the Iranian problem because they were criticizing in Iran the negoti the delegate Iranian delegations we have they were you know they say they they don't need to negotiate with the United States what is the main reason to negotiate with the United States but they're under pressure from inside not from the people in Iran I would say not from but some political parties within Iran they're They're seeing the situation between Iran and the United States. They they're criticizing because they have no memory to be honest between Iran. No positive memory that would suggest that something good going to happen between Iran and the United. That's why they go that way.
But when it comes to Donald Trump, I think Larry, what has happened as an outcome of this war? And every time that I think about the war and the outcome of the war, my main question is why does Donald Trump need an agreement, a some sort of treaty or some sort of, you know, MOU before leaving the region?
>> Well, you know, he he needed to get the Straight of Hormuz back open because the United States needs um the high sulfur oil that comes out of the Persian Gulf. While it's not a majority of what the United States consumes, it's still it there there is a demand in the United States for aviation fuel and diesel. The refineries in the United States are set up in such a way that they produce aviation fuel and diesel from high sulfur content oil. So that means they they use oil out of Canada and oil out of Mexico and oil out of Venezuela, but it's still not enough to meet the US demand. and he was informed, you know, four or five weeks ago that if if uh they didn't get the straightfor back open and get that oil flowing, the United States is going to experience a shortage of diesel fuel and aviation fuel which is going to have a very negative effect on the economy. Uh it's going there will be reduced uh either tractors won't tractors that need to you know for farmers won't operate won't have enough fuel or the price of diesel and aviation fuel will sore which means that the have a big inflationary spike. So that's why he did it. Um, you know, he himself said we'll be out within four weeks. Now he said oil and people were thinking he was talking about you know the oil that they put in their car but the United States has no problem with uh what's called the sweet crude. Uh so it has plenty of that that that's used to make gasoline. But you know what I've learned I had I had assumed that oh you just you know a refinery is a refinery just you know, it's like a coffee grinder. Uh, you you put the coffee beans in the grinder and you just set the number. Do do I want it a coarse ground or do I want it a fine ground and you know, just adjust the knob and boom you go go. It's not like that at all. It is it is uh the actual actual processes that are used to produce diesel and uh and aviation fuel are different than that to produce gasoline. On top of it though, when you get the high sulfur, you want to extract the sulfur because there's the sulfur itself has value in both producing fertilizer and in a number of industrial processes. That's why I wanted theou.
>> How about the nuclear program of Iran, which was the main objective of the Trump administration?
>> Yeah, that's that's window dressing. you know, they're not they're they're really not uh that's not the game changer or the you know, the the deal killer that oh, we got to got that's that has been the the narrative to justify the actions against Iran because ultimately for the United States, they wanted to destroy Iran. So the nuclear program is just an excuse to do so. But for the facade of what's going on, what what has happened so far, they need something considered in the nuclear program of Iran, they need that because if he gets out of it without having a new deal between Iran and the United States considering the nuclear program, so the whole community in the United States would say, "What what was that?"
>> Oh, you're you're you're being very generous in assuming that people can remember something from one week to the next. You know, we're I'll call us ourselves lithium deprived. You know, we we have Alzheimer's. We have no memory. Yes. He'll he'll use a nuclear I quote a deal on the nuclear issue as a way to persuade Americans, hey, I won. Look at this great deal we got. Now, uh, all along it has been Israel's false ac accusation that Iran was developing a bomb for 40 years. And from Israel's standpoint, it was just they could not stand the Islamic Republic and its support for Hezbollah. Uh, and again, Hezbollah was not a creature of of Iran. Hezbollah was a it was an organic organization that grew out of reaction to Israel's invasion of southern Lebanon. So the you know it is again we we are constantly bombarded with this narrative that Iran is this fanatical Islamic state that is bent on imposing Sharia law and Christians. you know, that I I hear that from people otherwise sane rational people but they've got themselves convinced that you know the the Muslims the Muslims lie because they secretly they're going to force Christianities to Christians to convert you know that kind of thing.
>> that's so funny. Well, you know, the one one that's being pushed around right now is this uh there is a poorly guy who claims he was a member of the IRGC and he's now called Christians for Iran because he says in Iran they do not allow Muslims to convert to Christianity. And someone was trying to make a big deal about that. I said, "Well, okay. If if that's the case, that's Iran's choice. They're not going outside of Iran, but they're saying within Iran, we'll, you know, if you're Christian, we'll respect that. If you're Jewish, we'll respect that, but don't don't come out and procilitize and try to convert. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's like, if it is, so what? You know when it comes to these issues that are religious they somehow the government doesn't that much they don't go after people to find you know, if they're Christians you know, they if you convert let's assume you convert and nobody going to ask you come here and you have to you have to answer my question you may go for example, if you want to be part of let's assume you want to go you you want to work for the government and then you have a list of the things that you have to declare that I am Shia or I'm I'm I'm Muslim or I'm Christian that's that's part of here in Brazil we have I did all of that here in Brazil so nobody but gonna go after him to get him to to detain him ridiculous the guy is I don't know who who argued that but it's it makes no sense to me because nobody going to ask people what is your religion what was your previous rel religion did you convert to that doesn't make sense and the other point Larry in this trade of her right now is that the United States tried to use the southern part of the trade of her and together I don't know if the Omani government how what is the cooperation between the United States and the Omani government, but they have been trying to use the southern part and they use it somehow. And today we've learned that Iran has completely closed this rate of the US Omani designated maritime corridor or those routes in the southern part of the straight.
>> Bloomberg reported that at least eight vessels or ships were forced to
>> to return or to use Yeah. to turn around or use the alternative which would be the Iranian routes. So this is what's going on. We know that the US air force is is in the region and trying to help you know, the the vessels. Do you see any Go ahead.
>> Yeah. How h how does the air force I I had this discussion last night with this uh with suraned uh who has a pretty popular u x account and he said you know the well, the US air force is accompanying these ships the ships are traveling maximum 12 m an hour airplanes flying at least 150 200 mph it doesn't accomplish number one. Number two is the so-called planes that were accompanying or didn't even have what was called closeair uh support capability, you know. So, if you were if your goal was to prevent those ships from being attacked, you might have an Apache helicopter flying around it. uh or you would bring an actual ship into this straight which the United States has not done because Iran will you know blow them out of the water. So this is you know this is more theater and the United States in you know keeps telling people oh yeah straight's wide open and we're in control and we're not in control. Uh so you know I keep monitoring there couple of sites people want to do it for themselves. vesselfinder.com I think is is the best because it shows you the ships and then you can click on them and uh it it'll actually bring up a picture and the name. Um, so uh it's pretty interesting. Like I was just looking at this one doesn't appear to be uh it's a it's called a chemical oil products tanker. So uh it is sailing uh its destination it says is AE DXB. I I have no idea what that is.
Larry Benjamin Net going to meet with Donald Trump today. We've learned Ben Gir again. He cancelled his visit to the United States. He wanted to go to New York and we know what is the atmosphere in New York and the people are going to again going to go out against him and against what's going on in Gaza in the West Bank and you see the reason that he has canled his visit. But I don't know what Benjamin Net want to what is the main objective of Benjamin Net and the new meeting with Donald Trump. How do you understand that?
>> Well, um they did announce today that that he's cancing the visit.
>> Benjamin N. Oh, no. He's gonna go to the United States. But Ben Gir has cancelled his visit to the United States
>> because because of he's not that important. I think what's important is the meeting between Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu.
>> Yeah. U do we know what date?
>> Not yet. We don't know.
>> Yeah. So, uh, Netanyahu is going to come and they're going to have, you know, we'll probably have all the great photo ops and the, you know, the pledges again of support for Israel, etc., etc. Um, you know, this is, but it's not right now that's not going to change the fact that the United States is withdrawing its forces. Um, I learned last night, uh, was it, uh, I can't remember. It was either Mario or Sulleon. Uh, yeah, I guess Mario reported that, uh, the, uh, the B-52s that were stationed at Farnsworth uh, in Britain, they have now left and come back to the United States. And after they left, a group of F-15s that had been based at Jordan flew into the UK in route back to the United States. So there is a draw down of US military force that had been deployed into the region that's coming back. So what Netanyahu, you know, I'm sure would try to press Trump for, you know, some sort of military commitment and I don't know if Trump will be able to give it.
>> What sort of commitment is is that going to does he really want to go after Iran again? And
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. They want to go after Iran again. Yeah.
>> So, let the outcome what what sort of outcome is he seeking for? Well, he's going to try to try I was presuming he's going to try to talk Trump into another attack uh on on uh Iran, you know, because they're uh and and try to get Trump's support, continued support for maintaining Israeli operations in southern Lebanon.
>> Now, also, you know, there are issues with respect to Gaza. Apparently Trump and he's backed away from the demand that Hamas be disarmed.
>> So because there is no way to disarm Hamas. If that was possible, Israelis would have done that before.
>> Well, it it's possible, but at a tremendous cost. It'd be a very bloody fight. It it probably devolve into hand-tohand combat. And Israel doesn't want to do that. They They're trying to minimize their casualties. They don't care how many casualties they inflict on the Palestinians, but they want to minimize their own.
>> You mean Israelis going in Gaza? Because we know that they were not able to go deep because of the, you know, ambushes in Gaza and
>> Right. Right. But I mean, I'm just saying it's, you can do it, but recognize you're going to be ambushed. you're going to have casualties. You're you get a lot of people killed and wounded. And Israel, you know, despite all their tough talk, they don't they don't want to run incur that risk. So that that's why you've had Hamas able to hold them off.
>> They really feel that they can enact the the West Bank and
>> Well, they they have been. Yeah, absolutely. Last time we hear Donald Trump said the no annexation of the West Bank. Do you think he's going to stay, you know, the way that he he is going to stay in the same position, no annexation of the West Bank, or he's going to change his position on the West Bank?
>> Well, I I he's not he's not going to force the Israelis to give up their settlements in the West Bank. That's um You know, I think that's pretty certain. It doesn't matter what he says. It's like, what is he willing to do? Is he willing to cut off aid to Israel and say, "No, you're going to have to get out of the West Bank or, you know, we're done. There's no more aid." I don't see him doing that. That would be the ideal thing to do, but he won't do that. So, we're going to see, I think, you'll see the continued en encroachment of Israel into the West Bank and to attempt to drive the Palestinians out.
>> I see
>> which which includes Palestinian Christians.
>> I see many ways that the even Europeans can come out with some sort of argu legal argument against Israel. because nobody's happy about what Israel is doing in Palestine to be honest.
>> Correct.
>> And how legally do you think that is there any legal process to avoid that?
>> No, I there's this is not uh you know, the the only thing that Israel will understand is if it is completely isolated. So like right now in the UK uh there's a group of uh parliamentarians from both the Tory party and the Labor Party that are working together to impose more sanctions on Israel, but it's it's still a minority number. It's only like 75. So, as long as as long as the countries of the West continue to look the other way and not enforce uh sanctions on Israel, Israel will continue to do what it's doing.
Larry, the new reports it shows that it seems that Iran and the United States going to meet again on July 11th in Pakistan to talk and the new round of talks. It seems they're going to talk about the Iranian frozen assets and the sanctions on Iran. basically primary and secondary sanctions, IAEA, UN Security Council. These are going to be the next steps of the negotiations.
>> So far, what we've learned from the Iranian nuclear program, we they have two sites in Iran. One of them is in Thran. They say research research you know reactor in Thran which was they can IA can go there and to you know inspectors can go there and verify and in Busher which is a cooperation between Iranians and Russians they can go there but other sites in Iran are not open for the inspectors of IEA. So let's assume the time by July 11th and do you see so far with with what we've seen from those important points inou are they advancing are they somehow moving forward?
>> Oh no I I think there's zero progress at all. So, um, you know, it was signed on June 17th, 60 days that, uh, Iran will allow ships to pass without paying tolls and then on day 61, they're going to force tolls. Um, the I mean there are so many different issues and I mean the biggest issue is Lebanon. you know, United States is supposed to pressure force Israel out of Lebanon. Instead, it's cutting a deal to let Lebanon uh allow Israel to stay in southern Lebanon and to occupy territory and also to use it as an excuse to uh you know uh find ways to bring you know Syria in to maybe attack Hezbollah. So, you know, I look uh I think for all practical purposes, theou is dead. The United States is not going to free up the uh assets, the frozen assets. Uh it's not going to take major strides forward to get rid of all the sanctions that the UN and others proposed. the the only thing there the only thing they're allowing right now is the oil to flow out because they the the West needs the oil. Now the United States isn't getting any of this oil. That's what's fascinating when you look at the uh the ships that are coming out. Uh there's a a crude oil tanker like now called the Long Wind. Uh it it's headed to uh Fujiro. Um, so it came out of the Persian Gulf and it came out through the Iranian route. Uh, you've got another tanker out there I'm just looking at that's headed to India, Mumbai. So none of these tankers are going to the United States. Yeah,
>> that's what's interesting is the United States needs needs those tankers, but uh they're not getting it. So, it's uh uh I'm just sitting here. Yeah. So these a lot of these tankers that are coming out they're going to Fyra and then where where they go maybe from Fujyra they're going to go on to say the United States but from Fujyra to uh one of the term oil terminals where the refineries are in in uh southern United States. That's a 42-day trip. So you're not going to see any immed anything like immediate relief for the United States. there's going to be at least a month of uh severe disruption.
>> I think that's one of the main reasons for many people arguing that there is no way for the United States to get back to the fight again.
>> Well, yeah. I mean for for right now yes that's u and again I I look at it in terms of do we see for a military action to take place that means there was a planning and operations cell an actual bureaucratic entity and these are called the for the for this latest you know for the attacks on the 28th of February Those were handled by what are called cats, CAT, crisis action teams.
>> Those were those those stood up and started operating a week before that attack on the 28th of February, at least a week. And um they've now been taken down. They're now operating 8 to 5, 9 to5, 5 days a week, you know, banker's hours. So the the fact that you don't have that planning cell that's up and operating 24/7 tells you that there are no significant military operations being planned or or or in or on the verge of being carried out. So you have you have to look at things like that to understand, you know, is the United States going to go back to war? If if the if they decide, okay, we need to we need to re-engage, then that sales got to stand up and then you got to start deploying air assets and other support uh equipment and personnel to the region. Right now, they're withdrawing all of them. So, that mitigates against any kind of major uh flare up uh over the over at least the next two to three months. And frankly, I don't see Trump wanting to, you know, light off a new level of war with Iran, uh, you know, a month or two before the the elections, the midterm elections in November.
>> Yeah. The Marco Rubio and his people tried to put a lot of pressure on countries around the world.
>> Yep.
>> In order to force them not to go to eat the funeral of the Supreme Leader of Iran. From the reports so far, we've learned that more than 100 countries participated. And when it comes Larry to you know funeral is not I don't know what is the importance of that for the United States to avoid that. It seems that in the eyes of the administration, it's a political sort of support for Iranians, but the supreme leader is a religious leader. Is not, you know, the president, he's a religious leader of Iran and going to the funeral is not that much against the United States and the Trump administration. I don't know what is your perception of that. Maybe
>> Oh, no. Look, look. This this is all about discrediting Iran. If you can, if if if a hundred countries go to commemorate and memorialize uh the Ayatollah Kami, this is this is a de facto recognition that Iran is not a pariah state. The United States wants Iran to be treated as a pariah. What? So my understanding is at least 13 countries that were supposed to attend have bailed out. Uh couple of you know several from South America, uh Africa, a few from Africa. Reportedly South Africa didn't attend. I I'm not sure about that. I because of Iran's status as a BRICS nation, because of Iran's status as fighting against this apartheid policy of Israel, I'd really be shocked if the South Africans yielded to American pressure on that if they did. You know, shame on them. You know, the this just a despicable act in my view. Look, th this this funeral is historic. There has been there has been nothing like it in history. That's that's what people don't understand. Uh if I I looked up yesterday, you know, was doing some research on what, you know, largest funerals, state funerals, etc. Iran currently holds the record for the largest state funeral. That was the burial of the Ayatollah Kmeni back in 1989. That brought out 10 million Iranians. the the view now is that this the funeral services uh the the u events I'll call them that are taking place over the course of the next week until July 9th uh are going to involve more than 30 million Iranians. So it'll be triple what was the previous record. But I I also uh I I tried to look up and see, you know, we've had highprofile funerals for leaders that have died or been killed. You know, the the funeral of John F. Kennedy uh was an example. And I think I think that brought over representatives from over 70 80 nations. It looks like now from this standpoint what's taking place in Iran is the it is the largest in history history of the world. We've never we have never seen something this big this massive with as many different countries represented and he said but the west is trying not to cover it and pretend it's not happening.
>> Yeah. It seems that they see in the eyes of the Trump administration, it's more geopolitical. If they go there, it means that they're supporting Iran against the United States, which doesn't necessarily mean that in my opinion because this these are relationship between governments and countries. It doesn't mean that you are picking sides. Even with Saudi Arabia, you know, I would assume one of the countries I was surprised Saudi Arabia partic that they participated in the funeral and I because I didn't think that they're going to go there because of what has happened the war and the outcome of the war and the attacks and look the the only three that didn't attend out of the Gulf were Kuwait, Bahrain and UAE. No,
>> Qatar, Oman, and uh Saudi Arabia attended. And actually, I would have been surprised if the Saudis had not attended because they do have diplomatic relations with Iran.
>> It shows that there is something going on diplomatically between the two countries and I assume that the United States put pressure on them not to go. But finally deciding to go, it means something. This is this is the country that means something for Iran in in my opinion and
>> yeah I mean it's a look MBS is not a trust trustworthy figure at all. Good lord. Uh you know, but uh the fact that you they he still appears amendable to uh you know, working with uh the Pakistanis. You know, the I think Pakistan's influence in this is significant. The role is playing behind the scenes and the and you had Prime Minister Sharif show up. Uh so you've had actually some significant
>> we had all of them. We had Field Marshall. We had Sharif. We had
>> I'm not sure. I I don't think uh General Asminer showed up.
>> Yeah, he went he went together.
>> Oh, did he?
>> Yeah. Yeah. All of them member of the parliaments. It was huge. The Pakistani delegation.
>> Okay. So, yeah. I'm You know what I'm wondering is going on in Thran is do they have enough hotel rooms for everybody that's showing up?
>> Yeah. You know, this is uh or the the guy the owners of the various hotels, they're having a good week.
>> Yeah.
>> But uh I guess uh Pashinan came down from uh Armenia. I don't know about Ali. I don't know if Ali came in from Noan.
>> No, the head of parliament from Azaran and the vice president of Turkey, Turkey didn't go. He said that later on I'm going to go to Iran. I don't know what does that mean, but it seems that he's bargaining right now with the United States. They have NATO summit and he's trying to buy more engines from the United States and he needs to be closer to the Trump administration. But overall in my opinion what is what matters the most is the relationship between Iran and Saudi Arabia and Qatar
>> which is which is a which is so important for the whole region because they were trying to you remember the raproma between Iran and Saudi Arabia by Chinese. I think this is a new level there. This is a new level of partnership or or relationship not partnership between the two countries somehow understanding coming out of the war and the role of the Pakistani government is so important and they're not just today the the Pakistani prime minister was in Turkey. He said he said that Pakistan and Turkey are two bodies with one heart and the government in Pakistan is somehow is so crucial for the security of the region. Mhm.
>> No, Pakistan's they're the point country for China and Russia in the creation of this new um uh I call it security architecture for the Persian Gulf. You know, one of the things there's a lot of concern about is uh Israel taking an action like trying to assassinate the new ayatollah or to launch an attack on one of the funeral gatherings to try to kill as many senior Iranian officials as possible. And uh you know uh there there there have been reports that there was an actual plot underway, but you'd expect Pakistan to play a key role in warning the Israelis, you better back the hell off and not do anything like that. What was so important yesterday, Larry, that it wasn't reported that much in the news, it was that Iranian jet civilian airplane after decades, you know, after more than a decade, more something like 11 years of siege on on Yemen. They land the Iranian airplane landed in Yemen and it was confronted by Saudi Arabia. one of the fighter jets of Saudi Arabia. Then there was some sort of confrontation between the air defense system in Yemen and the fighter jet and they forced the fighter jet out of the out of their airspace and the Iranian airplane landed after 11 years. It's so important for Yemen. I don't know if the new calculation in in the region would bring some sort of sanity between Yemen and Saudi Arabia.
Well, it it's it's heated back up over the last uh three weeks. Uh and I I you know it clearly the Saudis are are the provocators in this and so you got to I'm not sure why they are doing it at this time unless it's at you know, if you will sort of the behest of the United States. Uh but the uh the Houthis have mobilized and but this you know this war has been going on between the Saudis and the Houthies for at least what 10 years.
>> So and they had uh for a while there was a proxy war between Iran and the Sa and the Saudis. Once the Chinese intervened with Iran and the Saudis that they achieved a raw promon then that that concern went away. Uh so um you know, it was no longer the proxy war. Now you know uh this could be just sort of another backdoor effort to try to sabotage any reconciliation further reconciliation and cooperation between Iran and Saudi Arabia. But you know, the um the war uh has is is it it has been a a significant loss for the United States. It it is its presence in two key locations in Bahrain and in uh Qatar. Uh US has been forced to withdraw. So, you know, the notion of, oh, we're going to ask the United States to withdraw, it it has withdrawn. It can't keep forces there because they were they were too vulnerable and the facilities were damaged very badly by Iranian strikes.
>> Can we say that the war on Iran has weakened Israel the way that nobody could have imagined that before?
Yeah, I I would say so. Um
>> because the air the American air bases is not protect the United States. The United States is not in the region.
>> Well, the United States remain is they still have a presence at in Jordan and Mafik Alti air base. Uh I'm not sure what other then they maybe scattered about at some other sites but uh clearly uh if Israel was counting on a US security umbrella that umbrella has gone away that's for sure.
Is that perceived in Israel or because Benjamin Net the way that he's bragging about the war and the outcome of the war was amazing for him.
Yeah, I Well, you know, it's one thing for politicians to try to, you know, shine up a cow cow manure and make it look like it's a a piece of art, but the reality is, you know, you you can't you can't polish manure. So, it is uh this was not some great victory for Iran or for Israel. I mean uh it is the fact that Iran is still standing uh after these attacks, these unrelenting attacks is uh um a testimony that we're we're really we've entered a new age.
In this new age, in your opinion, there is a new definition for Israel, a new new definition for the behav because Israel is basically in my opinion with MOU, they have to withdraw from Lebanon sooner or later. They have to withdraw. There is no way staying.
>> Well, the only way the only way that they're going to be withdrawn is if they are forced to withdraw. And that means, you know, in my view, Iran would have to tell them, you okay, you get out or we're going to destroy your air bases. Um, you know, that's one of sort of the puzzling things to me why Iran with its missile capability did not destroy the air bases. uh you know, and they're big but uh they could have really concentrated on making them uninhabitable and Iran didn't do that. I don't know why.
>> Maybe that would be the next stage for the escalation.
>> Well, that that that could I mean, if it could escalate definitely in that way and uh you know, really dam really hurt Israel and damage its military capabilities. I mean, look, if you wipe out those airfields and Israel is not able to conduct these combat operations, you know, the the most of the killing they're doing is from dropping bombs. you stop that, all of a sudden Israel's got to rely upon a ground force and they don't necessarily even have the support of what, you know, close air support from helicopters or some, you know, uh, combat aircraft that are capable of providing close air support. So, but you know, Iran Iran for whatever reason, uh, you know, right now it's focused upon exporting oil, which it's doing. It's exporting that oil to India, to China, to South Korea, to Japan. Uh, and it's those countries are paying at least a 20% premium. So, you know, they'll they'll say that the cost of Brent is $70. The the oil coming off these ships, they're paying well in excess of a hundred $110 per barrel.
Larry, we we talk about Charlie Kirk when he was assassinated.
>> Mhm.
>> And the new evidences show that they were using a microphone below his
>> No, no, no, no, no. That is a complete load of horseshit. I the these people that are pushing this microphone business, the microphone was here. The hole in his neck was here. How does how does something explode over there and then punch a hole going the opposite direction? It doesn't happen. I don't know why they're spreading this kind of lie, but it's just is this complete Go ahead. Sorry.
>> And why did they put the microphone inside his t-shirt?
>> It wasn't outside.
>> No, it wasn't inside his t-shirt. It was on the outside. You can see.
>> No, it was inside, Larry. No, it's on the outside. You can see in the pictures.
>> No, the magnet is outside. The microphone is inside.
>> No,
>> what you see from outside is the magnet. The outside
>> it it doesn't look ne it doesn't matter. Inside outside the it's here.
>> The hole the explosion in his neck took place here.
>> Yeah. That was from some sort of of uh I think a frangible bullet. That's a bullet that disintegrates basically on impact. What we know is again it it it severed the corateed artery. Okay. the if if the corateed if the uh ascending aorta out of the heart was still intact there would have been blood spraying out and rhythmically because his heart was still beating we don't see that that did not happen so you have to say okay what could explain that the only explanation I can come up with is when whatever whatever the caliber of this bullet was that went in his neck when it it it creates a shock wave and that wave essentially severed the ascending aorta artery the one that pumps blood all to his head uh and neck once that's severed and I mean that's severed in an instant that's why you see there was a a rush of blood coming out. It It's like It's like somebody turned on a waterfall. The blood flowed out and down. It didn't pump out. But this was not caused by an explosive. I I don't I don't know why they're pushing this story right now. Candace Owens, shame on her. Uh she's she's And it's just out of ignorance. You know that, you know, it'd be one thing if if the hole was here where the microphone was when you explode. You don't understand. When you get an explosion, it it creates a force that that microphone should have flown off in the opposite direction. It didn't. Yeah. But the whole case is so suspicious.
>> Oh yes. No, listen. He was m the the claim that this Titer Robinson shot and killed him, you know, that's nonsense. Not not with that 306 rifle. Absolutely not. I mean, there's so many holes in this. But, you know, we've we're now seeing other examples in which the FBI has been, you know, number one, the the FBI got got into the middle of this right away. Why? There's no jur FBI had no jurisdiction there at all, you know. So, that's u you got to say because he wasn't he wasn't a federal official. He's a private citizen. Uh, so there was no there's no justification for the FBI being there and doing that. So you guys said why why they get involved? Well, they apparently had actually two FBI agents at the hospital where his body was taken. They got this was, you know, the just because a crime is it's a it's a state it's a crime that's committed in that state by a state resident ostensively. That's their story. the the FBI's got no jurisdiction over that. They could have the state could have later asked the FBI, hey, could you come in and help us with the forensic analysis of this evidence? What we're told what the what's here's here's the interesting part. ATF claims, oh, they can't this was out of the report. They couldn't ident verify that the bullet, the fragment, listen to that, the fragment of the bullet that was recovered from Charlie Kirk's body did not match the rifle that was alleged to have been used. Well, okay, you got a fragment of the bullet. That right there tells you it's a frangible round because you should the that bullet normally it's a steel metal jacket would pass through completely should have passed completely through the body. I mean there's video after video of people taking shots with that rifle with that kind of with the round that was allegedly used and I mean it penetrates it penetrates wood that are inches thick. It you know so this whole thing is a lie. It was it was cooked up.
>> Yeah. My question is if you use a microphone, why do you need to use it inside? The other question would be how we can understand the movement of his t-shirt. It's going outside the way that it was somehow amazing to me. Did you see even
>> Oh, the shock.
>> You don't see that much of movement of your t-shirt. the way that it was so was so exaggerated. You you look at the picture.
>> Yeah. No, I I've I've watched it actually. The shock from from the bullet, the shock that took place in the body, that's what popped the that's what popped the t-shirt out. It wasn't it wasn't the explosion. Again, it the the wound doesn't match where the where the godamn microphone is. Why do people Come on, folks. The the hole was here. We saw the hole. He went like this. Boom. It didn't. If if the microphone's here, how does it create a hole there? I don't you know that's crazy. And yet people are pushing this nonsense. It's just I I find it completely uh yeah it's it's part look it's part of this whole I think part of a broader information operation distract keep attention from away from looking at it. Uh in my own view I think Israel Israel was the one behind the murder of Charlie Kirk. That's what I believe.
>> Yeah. Two other points. his necklace was, you know, J's flying, you know, before, you know, the the he he's getting hit in the neck. The the other point is that
>> No, no, no, no, no. So, I mean, I've looked at it frame by frame. That's just that's not that's not true. I mean, the necklace um was again the the impact of that round hitting it was it was a special round. This was this was not your typical ammunition that you go to uh the gun store and buy. This was a specially designed round that could that literally it exploded in his body. It exploded on the inside of his body. that which is accounts for the immediate severing of the ascending aortic artery which is why you don't see the arterial blood spurting out. You know, it's it's a matter of step back and look at look at what we see and they keep coming up with this thing, you know, the exploding microphone. Yeah. So, okay, then explain to me exploding micro. Let's let's say that okay, there was a microphone here and that the the explosive was inside under his shirt. All right. How does it create a hole in the neck over here?
>> Yeah.
>> Can you explain that?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, how does how does it create a hole in the neck over here? Simple question. And then these others that oh it was a palm pistol. You know God people to say stupid like that just piss me off. You know I can take I've taken experienced shooters out to the range where there's no pressure. And I'm having them shoot at a 2-in disc from uh 3 yards. And the number they can't consistently hit that 2-in disc is remarkable. And we're talking experienced shooters. Um something called the DOT torture test that I use. Uh, so you're telling to me that somebody who's say 12 feet away with a palm pistol that's not aiming it but it's just pointing it in the general direction was able to make that shot. Again, Yeah, but at least you you agree with Candace that somehow the only player, the only beneficiary of I don't know if we can call it this way, but she said that she believes that Israel was behind it. And you said that as well.
>> No. Yeah. No, I think the it's indisputable that uh Charlie Kirk's break with the Zionist lobby created uh you know, basically created some threats against him. Absolutely.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> thank you, Larry.
>> All right, my friend.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Hey, see you soon.
>> Yes, sir. Bye-bye. Yeah. Bye-bye.