Has The Kashmir Terror Attack exposed Modi's Failure as a Leader?

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With these uh slides, now we will go over to Dr. Subramanyam Swami to initiate today's discussion on the Kashmir terror attack and the failure of Modi's leadership. Over to Dr. Swami.

Thank you. Thank you, Jagdish. It's a very, very sad situation for us that uh in this after all these years of of building our military uh and beating Pakistan four times earlier. Uh we again have to be seen as a country which is only capable of fighting Pakistan. Uh what is more interesting is and what is most shocking is that uh in Bal, what you witnessed was that there was no police anywhere around. There was nobody around there, and the tourists were allowed to come, and some of them are married only recently. One of the one of the ladies was become a widow; she's only been married 7 days. Uh and uh a bunch of 25 people come uh or six or seven of them come for the 26 people who came from for tourism, and then they signaled out in the front of the wives of each case and making sure that the Hindus they kill them uh on the spot in front of the eyes of the uh their wives. Has anybody could given solace to these wives? Has a prime minister visited any of them? He was ready to visit Bihar to address a public meeting, but he didn't have time to go and visit the houses of these people. So that we seem to have lost our our sense of the respect for ourselves and uh and the ability to tell anybody who attacks us that we can finish you if in in case you you attack us. Instead of that for I think now about six, seven days, all we have been doing is having meetings, and that's all the television shows; they're sitting around a round table with the prime minister, and the prime minister is god knows what he's telling them, and what is there to discuss? The fact is that Pakistan has to be dealt with by military action now; if the if you're scared that the Chinese will start with Pakistan, I can tell you that the Chinese will have hell of a time helping Pakistan in that terrain. I mean, they they have a problem even coming down the oxide chain. They have a problem coming down in the mountains of of of our northeast, and you think the Chinese will come and be able to fight us and help Pakistan, but they we are got scared by that itself. That's how I I'm interpreting that Mr. Modi has got scared, and he has always been scared about China. When I first said that Chinese have come and occupied 4,64 square kilometers of undisputed Ladak territory which belongs to India which China has never later came to, and Xi Jinping then knew that the president of China then sends his forces and for and I bring it to the notice of the country and I put it out in parliament when I was there and uh all that I thought is that what do you mean then why did you have this new treaty where you have accepted everything that China has wanted, and that treaty by the way has not been published; we I cannot get a copy of it; no members of parliament have got a copy of it, and so in this situation what we are seeing is that does Mr. Modi want to govern this this country by protecting it or does he want just the the gala the gala opportunities that he gets going here and going there giving speeches. I mean, he comes he comes around for south Saudi Arabia after the when he hears that this has happened and he go straight to and give a public meeting address a public meeting of an election I mean preparation for an election; I don't understand; he should have been in Delhi and had a meeting if necessary, but why does he have to go to uh to for a for a political matter which has got nothing to with what has happened, so let me start by saying that we have not put the fear of God into the into the Pakistanis, and the Pakistanis are preparing. Every day they are bombing here and there. They're catching one or two people of our jawans by crossing into our territory, and there is no response. All that we see on television is the round table meeting of Mr. Modi in Modi's house with the X, Mr. Y, Mr. X, then Mr. Y, and then rotating around. That's all we are seeing. So the country is in a state of anger, and therefore we must now address this issue. Even if Mr. Modi is not able to address the issue, the people the people in in public affairs they all should come out and explain to the public that what needs to be done, what can be done, and and also why it is not being done.

So I begin with that; I would like to say that some people have asked me that the what about the JNK government of of Abdullah? uh well, you know, first of all that is not a full-fledged government; that is a government just by election they have come, but it is still controlled on all the main issues by the center, and so it is Mr. the the governor who is there as well as Mr. Amit; these are the people who are responsible. Amit has to be has to answer why there was not a single policeman in in in the that beautiful area or or Bang. Why why is it that these people came and they were totally defenseless? Not anybody even after they went on killing turn by turn; no policeman should should come. I would say that today more than teaching Pakistan a lesson, we should get the the resignation of Mr. Modi and Mr. Amita because they are unfit to protect this country and has been demonstrated in the case of China, and they have also demonstrated now in the case of Pakistan. Uh I don't think you have to worry if the Chinese join with Pakistan. Chinese have to come from all that way in for to oxen and then go into helping Pakistan where can they can the Chinese protect themselves and even in where the Sikkim border is they get a thrashing from the Indian soldiers there have you ever given a chance after the 1967 period ever given a chance to the Indian troops to to say that 1962 cannot be repeated and this is the latest position we didn't do And so and I am saying that there has been a continuous you know disregard for the security of this country. You saw what about China and then China they when I said that Chinese have come and occupied 4,000 square kilometers of Indian territory undisputed territory mod's first reaction as I said already that after that they have quietly sat down and passed a new uh agreement in which the Chinese have got everything they wanted. I wanted a copy of it; they was not able to get it. So you already surrendered to the Chinese without even and giving away Ladak territory without even hesitating for a moment and and keeping the Indian people in the dark. You haven't got the support of the Indian people in doing this. Now the same thing here how I think n 8 days have passed now or nine days have been passed. What is that in this matter? They come and kill 26 people in front of their wives, and then all you're doing is considering this or going sending somebody to America to talk. Nobody is going to come unless you start fighting yourself. And therefore I would like to say uh uh that the first thing I would like to ask is Mr. Modi to that the country has a right to ask Mr. Modi uh what are you planning to do? I will tell you one thing. Excuse me. Our idea is not to teach Pakistan a lesson. Our idea should be to break up Pakistan. We have broken it up once. Doesn't matter that the new the president Bangladesh is not acting well with us. So what? When it was United Pakistan then they were acting even worse. Yeah. Let them go shout scream, and of course if they touch any Hindu and kill them then our army should immediately go. That's an agreement that we reached uh with the uh uh with the with the new government that came into power after moving Pakistan from there. Now we have to do is Buchistan and then the two other you know states which are there and those three states that Pakistan is consist now of only four states and one is on the border with our of India and the three others uh are one beginning from Iran uh it comes down with from Baluchistan and then uh uh the other two and these three all want independence from Pakistan. Baluchistan has actually sent people to Delhi to Mr. Modi saying that we have no faith in Congress so we never came for them. But we I want to know whether whether our people are ready now to back these the Baluchasthan people, poor chief people. They Shia, they're not even Sunnis. And so the Sunnis, you know, they they are very narrow-minded people in these matters, the fanatic people and they have been killing them on a regular basis. So India's for job today is the best revenge you can get is by uh eliminating the three the concept of Pakistan. We we broke Pakistan into two. Now we must break it into four. And that that should be the goal. Not that you know we had a meeting and we one one constable of Pakistan has been killed. These are not these are not a retaliation that is only like some kabadi that we are paying with Pakistan. Pakistan will continue to exist as they are. Break Pakistan into into three three different states and leave it leave Punjab to be the only part of Pakistan that stays with them, and that would be a strategically the best thing that we can do, and I can I'm ready to give a whole thesis on how this can be done, and it has been done by our own military people, but Modi has no time to read the that and he has no strategic concept at all, and he's been too long in power; he must go; he must resign, and with him Mr. Amitia; what was he doing when it was a whole responsibility for that area was on his head not on on Abdullah; it was it was it was uh his duty to have kept forces there to see that our Indians who come from different parts of the country they are protected by by so our soldiers, but he didn't do that, so Amita must resign and go, and so must Mr. Modi. G Modi has no intention of fighting this because he is afraid of the complicity that he has had in the past with China and with Pakistan, and he's afraid that all this will may all spill out and that will make create problems for it. We are not concerned with that. We are concerned with whether a person of the whatever moral status he has will he is he ready to fight? Is he ready to go and restore India's glory? Not by just nitpicking. It's not a cup thing that we have to have with Pakistan. We must break up Pakistan like last time it broke into two. This time it must break into four. That is the only way we can uh we can ensure that our strategic uh security would be taken care of. The these words. Uh Jagdesh please take over and let's see what my colleagues say then we can have a debate.

Dr. Swami, why you think this uh government today because everybody all the unbucks and guns will try to teach us patriotism. But when another government was in power we have so many videos of Modi saying that the government should be decisive and all those type of things. What is the real reason Modi is unable to act and take uh proper measures to teach Pakistan a lesson?

I I think it's uh first of all he's he's frightened of these Chinese not so much at what the Chinese military can do but what else Chinese know about him because for the 10 years uh for the years seven eight years that he was chief minister he went 10 times to China and this uh Jay Shankr was the ambassador. Now what is there for going 10 times Jagish you you you came I think in one of my trips for Kailash mansur we went for a specific project we we didn't hang around there what what did Mr. Modi do with these 10 visits to China? Uh if if I tell you, you will all blush. So I'm not going to tell you. I'm only going to say that Modi is afraid of the Chinese and there must be some some thing by which the Chinese have a holder. Otherwise, how would you say Gay when it was a falsehood and then hand over a huge chunk of our undisputed territory in Lada to the Chinese by a new agreement and which new agreement is not placed before parliament is new agreement is not given to anybody. I asked Raj Nan to give me a copy. He said I'm sorry I'm I am not I'm constrained from not giving it to you. So it is not in parliament. It is not given to people who have been members of parliament, who have been ministers like myself and and then what is this agreement about? Why did you have this agreement? Because the Chinese insisted on this agreement and they have got whatever they wanted. And from now from Dipang to uh to Azad Kashmir is so easy for the Chinese thanks to what Mr. Man Modi has done for them. So all these things put together you know it's a very sad Mr. Modi himself should realize that he could end up with a with a treason case unless he quits now and express his sorrow that he was unable to protect India and go away to Himalayas or wherever he wants to go. But we I think cannot fight the forces against India unless we have a totally different uh approach to the issue of Pakistan and that issue uh is something that only somebody else can do not Mr. Modi.

Dr. Dr. Swami before we I hand over the thing to Arvind Chhatrui and Romesh Swami I just want to tell our viewers that this is a very standard practice by the Anbug guns and including the Modi administration. When we hold Modi and Shah responsible and ask them to resign, they will say if they resign the Congress will come or papu or but they don't realize what we are saying is that Modi should make way for a more dynamic BJP leader to take over as prime minister and maybe somebody as the home minister because these two people have becoming complacent but the standard operating practice of these andbugs And gun bucks is when we say Modi should be out and the home minister should be out, they will show us a ghost. Oh, do you want then Rahul Gandhi or do you want some congressman to be? No. The question is very clear. If our leader has failed to deliver, there are other dozens of competent leaders in the BJP who can deliver. So on this Dr. Swami, can you make a comment because this is the standard of ahead?

I'll make a very well taken point Jagdish. I'll make one comment. I have had sent to uh to Mr. That time the home minister was Rajat. a set of documents which uh was I mean im immense I mean that documents which I think normally cannot anybody get but I had Romesh Swami with me in the United States and I don't know what strings he pulled and uh he was able to give me all the documents I asked for and that documents show that Rahul Gandhi in 2003 became became a citizen of Britain and our constitution says, article 9 says and our law also says that you in an Indian cannot become a citizen of any other country because we don't have dual citizenship. So it should go. Mr. Mr. Modi has completely ignored it. Rajnad was transferred to from home ministry which was his favorite ministry uh to defense and and defense you see is more more or less the generals and the prime minister more than the prime minister of of defense and so therefore uh you can see from that that he has been compromised in some way and we are not interested in going to what the compromise is and certainly it's not an issue But it can be evaluated by some of the senior people if they call for the right records. Uh but Mr. Modi and Mr. Amita they cannot protect this country and they think that by bullying they can make everybody silent. But I think if you want India to survive and not break up then I think the best thing to do is start with getting a new leadership from within the PJP. Thank you Dr. Swami Arvin Alasal.

Yeah thank you Dr. Swami has summarized the whole issue. That's ground. for soft corner. Gilgitanist Dr. Swami operation. Pakistan Dr. BJP. Pakistan. Pakistani before Ram Swami enters United States of America, Pakistan nuclear Power nuclear Pakistan American America, nuclear weapons. Pakistani. Diwali. Pakistan, China. meeting. Security Security home ministry in Delhi security. Yes. So, Dr. Swami, uh I just wanted to echo as I said earlier before we began the program, the biggest blunder Modi did in my my thing was he did not respond immediately. See, India Modi lost the advantage. Basically when somebody a terror attack like this happens the first thing you do is you do something whether you kill couple of goats or donkeys doesn't matter some action happens so that you take off a bunch of uh posts on the along the border the world will support you because the world's psychology is that 20 25 odd people have been killed so India is reacting naturally to defend so you can just say that we are chasing these fellows or knock some people off and Modi is just doing social media saying you know some something big is going to happen Dr. Swami full drama buzzi the height of it is he cut short his visit from Saudi Arabia as though that he is so concerned about the terror attack comes to Delhi creates a facade that he's having a meeting right at the airport hopefully on the tarmac itself but okay did some office in in the airport next day it jumps into an election rally how insensitive can a prime minister be Dr. for me that the next day this guy jumps on and goes on a plane and goes to Bihar and does a election rally. As you said in opening he did not visit a single family. We don't know behind the scenes if he called or not. We don't know because of the news has come out that he has spoken to even one member of the family that uh that that got killed in this process. He has not put out even a single statement in the sense in public. He has not come out and said anything about this. Just issue press statements or in that monkey bath he just said something or the other but at the end of the day he has not sorry a monkey bath sorry a slip of the tongue. Um so so what happened was he has not done what was necessary. So what happened in the process China is jumping saying oh we will support we and Pakistan and we are very close. So what is is India a bigger trade partner of China or Pakistan? Pakistan is pittance. They are poor. They're completely bankrupt country. Do you think if you go to China and says fine we will stop trade with you. Do you think China is going to go and say support I'm going to support Pakistan? Very simple fact. China he's he's sabber rattling Dr. and they know Modi is an incompetent covered and they know they can play with Modi. They that's what they're doing. China is very sensible that way. You go talk to them about numbers and money they will come back to you. You just the first today if you had attacked Pakistan one day within 24 hours China would have not said anything that I think Dr. Swami is that a clear show because our question today is Dr. Swami has this terror attack exposed the Modi's failure. So that is the biggest question that we have Tommy and it's facts are out there and even there is a report out I mean Tjis wants to say something tis you can come back later and just say he wants to share some very important information that how this government did completely ignored certain things but do you think Dr. Swami out of all of this, Modi is should we still continue as a prime minister of the country?

In my opinion, even before this thing erupted uh in by Pakistan, it had been internally decided although it was not formally announced that he he will step down sometime this summer. So there's no no shock in his leaving the prime ministership and going away. It is as there have been discussions at the level where Modi has to listen. After all he is a prarak and he cannot deny that if he was not a prarak he wouldn't have been chief minister. Uh so therefore uh in that in that circumstances in which he's bound by duty uh it has already been conveyed to him even before this happened uh that he he has to step down and give and and move on that therefore I think now uh those who want him to leave his position of prime ministership they have got another weapon by which they can make him uh go saying that you have been incompetent. You have given away our land to China and you have allowed Pakistan to make so many of our innocent women widows. Uh and and you have not been able to retaliate. So you can't protect the country. You better go. That's what they should tell them.

Dis you had a question.

Yeah. So this is a article actually where which shows that intelligence had actually warned of an attack on tourist uh by the time when prime minister was about to visit uh the same place. So when Arabia Saudi Arabia Yeah. So when the uh in Jammu Kashmir it was already known that such thing and it was also told that the security should be increased uh where the tourist location is there near Sinagar. So this is the reported article when this was already known. Why did the prime minister neglect this and instead allowed this thing to happen? Because the army officials told that they were never briefed but it is clearly shown here that the intelligence had informed them. So was it done purposely? The prime minister cancelled his visit which was a planned visit but allowed the tourists to go to that tourist locations because then in that case it will help him make his position strong to become stay as a prime minister. So this is a serious lap if intelligence had warned but still the government ignored the inputs of intelligence.

Yes. Very good. I I I know about this the this newspaper cutting also. Uh I didn't think that it was even graceful to say we didn't get in intel from the military. I mean you have the prime minister how can you you on a daily basis you are meeting the commander and chief

Of the Indian army, Indian army, or air force and and navy, and uh, you mean to say that they never told you? How can anybody believe that? In my, and this newspaper article clearly shows, without saying, that these people had told Modi at least a week before he left for uh, for uh, Saudi Arabia that there is something cooking. And please see that, you know, innocent people who are come as far as as tourists, and they don't suffer for this. It's very tragic, and it's, you know, heart-wrenching to see these women who have to see their husbands being shot after their pants were taken off, and they they had made the necessary investigation. These rascals who came and then they disappeared. Not even one has been caught. Why don't you catch 25 people of the Pakistan ruling party and bump them off also as a retaliation, unless they hand over these guys who came to uh, across to Patanot, or excuse me, to Paranut, they to why why don't they? We put blackmail them into sending them to us so that we can hang them in public. And nothing, just meetings, meetings, meetings, meetings, or what? The same people he meets, he has been meeting before, he's meeting again. Has anything been come out? Has any document been put to the public to say that these are the steps we are going to take uh, till we we vindicate what happened to our people? No, nothing. And there is today, and now he has gone to Kerala, and I don't know what he has opened there, something he has opened there. Is Kerala so important for him? It's not even a party, is not even power there, and I'm sure he's going other places also, he'll be touring, which has got nothing to do with uh, what happened in Kashmir. Dr. Swami, the heights of it. Dr., as you said, not even a single visit to the people, even now. I mean, instead of visiting Kerala, why can't the prime minister bring all the families together to his residence and just say that he is sorry that under his leadership this has happened, he's going to take action on it? At least say something. But every day running between every this, the media is showing that in during midnight Modi is going to JP Nata's house; from JP Na's house, Amita is jumping to his own house. Then Modi goes to Amita's house. They're only showing visuals like they're running, shuttling between two houses, but there is no action on the border.

Dr. What can India effectively do to gain the confidence or at least among the people, to bring the confidence among the people that India is ready to do something? Somebody says Adani's port is in Kerala. That's right. That's what he went for. He went to the binium port inauguration. That is even worse. So um, one one last thing, Dr. Swami, coming back to to this issue, as you said, the the only way to solve this, I mean, because Pakistan is just doing by, you know, trying to bleed us by a thousand cuts, the only way we do that is you break them up into four pieces completely, and then this, because then they're going to be busy amongst themselves. Instead, we are just allowing this nonsense to perpetuate, because world over Pakistan is begging for money, they have absolutely nothing to keep them running; the biggest export for his OPM. So other than that, nothing's happening in India. When when Modi came back, he had to take around a route around Pakistan because he couldn't fly, or other flights are now slowly, Pakistan is closing their airspace; he's idiots. I mean, now India, after after Pakistan closed, India say, oh, we will also close, and the tit, what Modi has done, the biggest action Modi has taken, banned YouTube channels, uh, banned some actresses coming to India and do something here, and some Alapalto thinks like this, he's just banned, and that's it. This is the retaliation is India doing? Is this how it is? An insult to the Indian armed forces who are more than prepared and ready to take on this this rogue government or country called Pakistan, but this the Modi is just tying their hands to their hands and legs to their back and say, take action. How is this even possible, Dr.? I mean, I am very surprised that the armed forces have even kept their restraint; phenomenal respect to them in spite of all of this, because they have also lost one or two people amongst themselves.

Yes, I am pretty sure that the armed forces must be like ready to, they would have given Modi 10,000 options, as Modi doing only on memes. We could have just leave this chance, and this has not happened the first time, Dr. I mean, you you brought this among China, when China occupied the one up one chance that army got, they thrash the Chinese back. Can't Modi learn a lesson from there? All it needs is just let loose, let the army take care of it, let the armed forces of India, and say Modi can say, okay, you do what you want, I'm giving you 24 hours, I'm going to turn a blind eye, I'll be flying to America by the time I come fly from here to America, do something, something. Instead, this man is flying all over the globe, all over the country, doing some tando or s drama bazi. The incompetence level is so high, and I don't understand why the people are not even reacting to this, because even the media is completely sold out, they've not asked a single question, Dr. I mean, what can be done? Media, their throats are in the hands of Modi, because he he says all the advertisements, I'll pull out if you don't abide by what I give you as for for what you can publish, and they are doing it like that. It's a sad thing, I mean, they have agreed to be slaves of Ma Modi, uh, and this is happening, but fortunately we still have these uh, private bodies which are putting out stories, and that is adding a lot of information. Uh, I I I I would like to say that you see uh, when Modi took the first oath as prime minister, before that a team sneaked in from Pakistan from Balaruchistan and went to Modi and told him that we are all in ready to create an independent Baluchasan if you will help us. He in his speech, he, if you look at his first speech, he makes a reference to that. So in effect, he gave them a clean chit, after that nothing, and they all have been butchered. What kind of a thing is, people come here and trust you, and then you go and say yes to them, and after they have gone, and after somebody or maybe somebody has threatened him, so the prime minister has has betrayed them. So if that is so, he can betray Indians also, he can betray anybody. He can't, this country cannot be allowed to allow other changes to come here and play havoc with India. We have had enough of that history. We will not go allow that history to again come by, no matter what the cost is.

Arvin, you're unmute. Unmute. Unmute sir. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Like they just talked about the intelligence failure, that is central government agencies are there in Kashmir, but in Kashmir we have an elected government, we have Omar Abdullah's government in Kashmir. Omar Abdullah's Kashmir's total economy thrives on the tourists' inflow, and for last few years the there has been improvement in the tourists coming to Kashmir, and the income of the state going up, it was going to increase day by day. Don't you think it is also Omar Abdullah's failure to protect the tourists? A spot where the there are no state forces found, how can he do anything? It is not a this government is not the usual government you see in other states; it's a still most of the important things like the defense and all military police, these are especially the special military police, those who carry guns and so on, they are all in the hands of the home ministry, and they don't keep Omar Abdullah, you know, abreast of whatever is happening, and what he can do, and what what what we will do for. None of that. There's no, the amit still goes like a bacha to Kashmir, and you know, pim Abdullah, nobody except the probably having some restaurant or something like that, instead of a government, that kind of an attitude is there, you see. Now I I don't blame Abdullah at all for this, because he wouldn't have known, nobody would have reported it to him that there's, you know, no police there and there tourists coming. Nobody has told him anything. Nor has the government been able to identify anything that he didn't do, that is Omar Abdullah didn't do. So let us not blame him. The blame goes squarely to the central party which is still largely in control of Kashmir. I think Arvin Chhatui, I think Jammu and Kashmir is a union territory, and the police is under the central government. Yes. 2 minutes, forget about military, army, navy, air force, which is always with the central government. But if my recollection is correct, like you are in Delhi, your Delhi police doesn't report to the chief minister; it reports to the uh, central home ministry, or vice versa, and then there is that's why it's a union territory under a lieutenant governor and a chief minister. So anyway, if Faruk Abdullah's son, that is Omar Abdullah, is guilty, you hang him, but same time the primary responsibility with is with uh, the prime minister and the whole minister; you cannot escape from that responsibility. Yes, yes, yes, of course, of course, of course, Dr.

Me one more question I have about the RAW. We have this intelligence agency called RAW. If the Pakistan has been harassing India for several years continuously by terrorist activities, why can't RAW organize the counter-terrorist activities in Pakistan and do similar acts in Pakistan to teach them a lesson? They they need the permission of the prime minister for that. They cannot do it themselves. That is our system. Uh, we don't allow, you know, agencies to have free free hand to do what they like. We give them a policy, and they implement that policy. Dr. Swami, with this delay by Modi. Yes. Yes. Haven't you not given Pakistan to regroup whatever resources they have? If we had if we had attacked immediately, Pakistan would have found it very difficult to recoup their, because they have very limited resources. You attack those resources, so they have even less resources. You gave them enough, there there are reports coming in that they're moving away all their newer assets away from the border because they don't want them to be attacked. Isn't this again a serious I mean failure in a leadership, saying that you attack immediately. Isn't that a big giveaway, Dr. Swami, that you waited for so long? Now Pakistan is now saying, oh, we know what Modi is doing, we are no, they are all afraid, so they went to the world and saying we didn't do anything, Modi is just trying to provoke a war. You this this advantage that you had as soon as the attack happened has given Pakistan a legitimacy saying that they were not a part of it, which is absolutely wrong as well. So uh, what I would say is that you are perfectly right to say that we we have uh, we have not done our duty there, but you see to it's in the raw and all these are all people who are part of the civil service, I mean, the the administrative service, and the being there, they will not be entitled to take on themselves the these initiatives; they have to get clearances, and uh, I have been told that in it has been a very difficult task for them to get get clearances on a number of things which would have affected China, would affected Pakistan, and the government didn't allow it. I in my own case, when I managed to find out that China had taken over such a large number of our territory and I said it in parliament, what do you think, Modi? And it turned out later to be true, and we went and made an agreement where we have allowed the Chinese to take all the territory they wanted. So and that that is not published. It's not given to parliament. It is not given to anybody. You see, so in this kind of a situation, I don't think you should blame anyone. You can blame later on by going into whether they went by their book, by the by the official books which are given there on what to do and what not to do. But those are later matters. The real matter is the man who should give the command. Go ahead, do it, and report to me, and I want the whole thing done in 3 days. You know, none of it came. All we see is him sitting around a round table with a lot of people and looking quite bored and about to fall asleep. That's how the impression comes. And I'm sure the Pakistanis are getting more uh, more strength only by looking at that and not by the fact that we have not yet hit them.

I just wanted to make one point that the army recruitment was halted by this current government for three years. So our forces also have been reduced by one lakh almost. And secondly, the budget of the military has also, defense budget has been reduced like from 2.41% of 2016 to now 1.89%. In 2024-25, right? Most of the countries have higher budgets for defense. Ours is the only country which we only keep 1.89% 89% of the GDP as budget for defense, and it was not allowed to be discussed in parliament, just for your information. Yes. So nobody even raised it in parliament. Yeah. I don't expect the opposition to do anything, Dr. Swami. It's just I mean they I mean as you, everybody is threatened to not to take any words, any raise any against this government. Nobody but for you is raising a voice. The abject surrender of the media when this terror attack happened, they were just screaming and yelling, uh, I mean a typical response by Indian media and other way or just toming or just, you know, about the government saying that tha tandoga, something big is happening, something big is happening, nothing big is happening so far, only all these media hype has gone beyond control of, I mean, it's just shameful that as of today, as put arind is about 15 days now since the attack. Yeah, yeah, 12 days. Two weeks, no response. Yeah. Absolute shocking, doctor. So absolutely shocking. And one one small response to the people who say, oh, this is a complex thing, they have to pros and cons. You know, the India's economy will get impacted. You should be shameful to even say such things, Dr. Swami. People who say these things on Twitter, saying we should be very careful, your economy is more important than defending your country, then you don't deserve to be a citizen of the country. Dr., seriously, because you you first of all don't trust your armed forces. You you should be ashamed for that, first number one, and two, you feel your economy and your money in the bank is more important than the defense of the country. You should be ashamed of that, Dr. F, because I've seen these comments a lot on Twitter. So I just want to address that. And the third, oh, we what happens in the world, that's exactly what Modi thought. What will my how will my name get destroyed if I attack them? If you have this kind of a cowardice attitude, no wonder the leader is also a coward. The leaders are covered, and the people are also covered. Don't trust, I mean, who are people should just stay away, because the armed forces are ashamed to see you like this, because they have the ability to go and attack and do, and they've done it not just once, multiple times. It is just stupid, absolutely covered, is to not done; we should have attacked immediately, as this as this comment says. Yes. And I've been saying this from day one. We should have attacked immediately. I think we had a lot of discussion. I think it's time now for Arvin to wind up.

Yeah, sure. Uh, one thing I want to underline, uh, the purpose of this terrorist attack. The modus operandi was to identify the Hindus from the crowd. Identify by whichever means, by asking, but they had the terrorists had one thing in mind. They only wanted to kill the male members, not the female members. They were families. They separated women from the men and only killed the men. And they wanted to create a Hindu Muslim hatred by identifying Hindus. But one good thing which has happened is almost all top Muslim leaders have condemned this act of terror, including Oasi, and Jammu Kashmir assembly also passed a resolution condemning this. All people in one voice, Hindus and Muslims, have condemned this. This is a good sign, and the design of Pakistan terrorists which were to create a Hindu Muslim divide. This has been failed completely, and this is a good sign shown by our people. And of course, Dr. Swami has been advocating this that Pakistan should be broken into four. He has not said today in the light of Algamand massacre, but he also said this earlier several times, but the government of India, for whatever reasons, different prime ministers after Cargill war, nothing has happened to the Pakistan. I was reading a book by Kulp Na about his life, and in which book, book he has described till 2010 under Bashbay government and also under Manm Singh government, there were attempts to have the backdoor compromise on Kashmir, some formula was to be devised and all that. So government of India, irrespective of who is the prime minister, which party is in power, they have always chickenened out as on this issue of taking action on Pakistan, but action, Dr. Swami, thank you very much for reminding this government that time has run out, and we must act, better late than never. Our air force is ready, our navy is ready, our army is ready, and we are we all know that our services are competent enough to finish Pakistan in three days. People say it is not a Russia Ukraine bar. It is India Pakistan war. We can finish Pakistan in three days, like this like this. And therefore, people who are advocating for peace, they should be aware that it is not going to cost much on the economy, and therefore we must survive with pride, and we must take an action. Thank you, Romesh Swami. Thank you, Jagdi G. Thanks the technical team led by Ashish Shetty, Swami Natan, Tjas Naval, Giri Rakkesh, Isharayer, Ajay Nay, and Gurat Shetty. This issue is very very important and timely; we are discussing, hope that something will happen in next two three days. We have been waiting for last 12 days. We will certainly wait for some more time, better late than never, but we must take an action, and we are all with government of India whenever they take an action. Thank you very much for joining this program. We'll be back next Sunday again 8:00 p.m. Indian Indian Standard Time with a new topic and Dr. Subramani Swami. Thank you for watching, lots of wisdom, Jan Ganga. Thank you. Namaskar.