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All right, we're live. What's up, Baron? Baron, what is going on, man? It's a rare Saturday Baron appearance. [laughter] Wearing the uh purple hoodie today. Is that royal purple? What kind of purple is that?
I don't know. The the the official description is some kind of blue, like electric blue or something, but it it actually looks kind of periwinkle if you're being honest. [laughter] Periwinkle.
Is there a backstory to all of the colors of the hoodies? I know that your crowd really really loves like they have a whole little cult following. What's up with that?
So, I love I This is an old old from my childhood. Indiana University is my favorite uh college team and they were always an Adidas school and so anytime you would get Indiana apparel, they would have an Adidas logo on it. So, I just kind of fell in love with the Adidas logo and then I found this hoodie. It's called the Adidas Essentials hoodie and it is the perfect cut hoodie. Hoodies usually hang too far off of my shoulders or they they're too tight through the back. This is like the perfect hoodie. So, I bought two or three of them. I was working out in them and then I started doing uh when I started podcasting when it was cold I would wear a hoodie. And then I thought, man, I can't wear the same two or three hoodies. And I noticed they had maybe 10 colors. So, I bought four or five more and I started rotating. And then I bought four or five more. And so, I I end up with like 15 different colored [laughter] hoodies. I had no idea people even noticed. And all of a sudden, I saw they were like doing side prop bets on what color hoodie I was going to. [laughter]
It's comfortable, man. I, you know, you're going to be here for a little while. You might as well be comfortable.
Do you have a whole closet just just all colored hoodies colorcoordinated, grouped by color?
So, I have a a a pile of Adidas hoodies uh clean and then waiting to be cleaned. And then I have um a pile of other hoodies. I'm a hoodie junkie. I've got close to 40. I think
I'm also a hoodie junkie except for I have been wearing the same hoodie. I have two of three of these black Venom hoodies. I don't know just because I kind of liked how it looked on the camera with what I was doing. Um and you know superhero whatever whatever nothing there. So um we have been talking uh off off camera uh for for a minute and gotten to know each other a little bit better especially about concerning the Charlie Kurt case. You know, I kind of let this out uh in my space the other day that uh Baron, if you didn't know, when I got the receipt in Panguitch, um we were a little concerned about my safety and Baron offered to not only navigate for me uh to see where I had to travel to my next destination out of Utah cuz it was through some like treacherous deserts and mountain area where I would be isolated. Baron stayed on the phone with me for hours and uh helped me navigate through that. So, really appreciate that, man. Uh looking out for each other. Uh really, nobody else has ever done anything like that for me uh off off offline. So, really appreciate it.
Well, I I wanted you to be safe. Um you were like, "Hey, I'm headed to point B here." And I was like, "Buddy, you're going to be alone in the desert for about three hours in a row." You're like, "Really?" [laughter] I was like, "Yeah, it's going to be bad. Uh you should you should stay on the phone with someone." He's like, "You got any plans?" I'm like, "No, I'll stay up with you." It was like 1:00 in the morning. I was like nodding off and I had headphones in. Every now and then you're like, "You're still there. [laughter] Still here. Still here."
I really appreciate it, man. Really appreciate it. So, uh, I only have Baron for about an hour and he has a hard stop. So, I want to go through the Tyler Robinson timeline. Now, if you were watching my spaces or the, uh, live stream the other night, I went through the Paty timeline. I did, um, George Zinn. Uh I did uh Kennington Russell. Uh he's a really interesting figure. We'll get into that. I'll get into that later uh this week with him. But um I really wanted to visit the timeline because you know it seems like Tyler Robinson on September the 10th was able to jump through time and space a couple of different times. He was able to be in multiple places at once. Uh it seems like there was at least three or four Tyler Robinsons running around everywhere. Um I you know I don't know I don't know how how to explain he's able to be in Panguitch and then standing in Orum and then he's he's able to hop uh hop around at the uh at the college so much. You know, there's a lot to unpack there. So I have a timeline pulled up and I just kind of want to go through the official narrative the fed slop narrative bullet points and then we have a few discrepancies here. I've pulled up from your profile, my profile, and Candace Owens profiles. And um can we uh kind of just go through those together?
Yeah, I'm I'm at your mercy. We're you you're driving. I'm just riding along.
Right on. All right. So, uh we have here on September the 10th, 2025 in the morning, according to the prosecutors, Tyler Robinson left his shared St. George apartment at 4 to 5 a.m. Uh according to Lance Twigs. Now, I don't know. Lance Twigs was apparently sleeping until 3:00 p.m. that day. That's neither here nor there. Little strange. It's a little weird that he would be awake to see Tyler or know when Tyler left at 5:00 a.m. Also neither here nor there. According to them, uh he arrived at UVU at the parking structure at 8:30 a.m. in his silver Dodge Challenger registered to him and Mother Amber. How they know that, we don't know because the license plate wasn't visible on the on the camera. They showed us in the uh at the preliminary hearing, uh they said that they matched the rims. Uh now, there's quite a few Dodge Challengers with those rims. I get into that later. Uh he exited the parking structure and walked to the amphitheater/quad area where he made contact with a T Turning Point USA representatives. According to them, he was wearing a red t-shirt, red or maroon, and shorts. This is from officer Hull, our British, our British or uh foreign officer Hull, who has no history in the United States whatsoever.
Try to find some information on that guy.
He is a ghost, dude. I'm telling you.
I I am I am probably I mean, I don't want to like, you know, toot my own horn here. I am probably one of the best people finders uh that I've met on the internet uh that I know of. I There's other people I know that are just as good or better than me. Um, but man, for me to not be able to find this guy anywhere, I mean, he has no presence. And what's interesting is he is the lead of the of the Utah SBI, which is their state bureau of investigation, right? You would think that he had testified in another court case like Tyler Robinson's, right? He has to be experienced to go up there. He has to know how to what to deliver, how to answer questions, how to fill in the blanks properly to make sure that his testimony doesn't get impeached, right? Seems like he would be practiced. This guy has never testified, as far as I can find, in another court case in Utah or anywhere else in the United States.
Nor has he ever lived anywhere. [laughter]
Anywhere. He doesn't have a phone. He doesn't have utilities. Like, this guy's a ghost. This guy's a ghost. I think spook is the proper term here. Spook seems like the proper term. Just my opinion. Just my opinion. I think that's the appropriate term. All right. So, we have him uh returning to his vehicle at 9:25. I think this is interesting. He spent almost an hour according to them at UVU his first time when he allegedly uh met with TPA uh TPUSA representatives. Um shortly after 10 a.m. return.
Let me pause you there. Let me pause you there. So, if you're the prosecution and you're trying to show this guy absolutely did it, more likely than not, establish probable cause. You've got him on campus for about an hour, what do you do? Where'd he go? Who'd he talk to? Show us video. You show us video, blurry video of a car rolling in. You show us blurry video of a guy walking around. You show us blurry video of a guy walking down the You don't have any video anywhere else on campus. How do you know he met with a TPSA representative? Who did he meet with? How long did they meet? What did they talk about? like all of these things. If he's casing the joint, is it or if he's let's say he walks out to the Losi center and he looks up. Maybe he walks to the tent area and he looks up and he thinks, "Is this a good line of sight?" That goes to establish probable cause. It goes to demonstrate that this guy's there doing what you're claiming he's doing and he's not just running errands being framed as a psy. I think when they didn't show us any of that, it said a lot to me about how how confident they were in their case. But I I don't want to I don't want to
Well, I mean, none of that really ids him, right? Like, I haven't I have not Did you see anything in the prelim that ided him? 100%. The uh the car wasn't IDed to him because we didn't see a license plate. It was too blurry. Uh the and the angle to which it came in there. Uh the uh officer Hull even said and Bagley said that they didn't 100% they described it as Tyler Robinson, but when asked about a 100% visual ID, they could not give one. It It's not just that on the car. He said, "Well, we looked up his driver's license. We saw that he drove a Challenger. This car is consistent with a Challenger. He drove into a parking garage with cameras. He had to flash some sort of payment to get in. Tell us what that was. You know, it's a paid 24-hour a day, 7 day a week paid parking lot. How did he get in? What car did he use? Did he use Tyler Robinson's debit card? Did he use his phone? Did he use PayPal? What meth what method of payment did he use? How did you verify that that was his car just because it was a Dodge Challenger? It's not the only Dodge Challenger that's ever been sold. So, there's just so much that again, if you're trying to establish probable cause, you're trying to convince a judge in the public, yeah, this guy needs to stand trial. We need to figure out if he did it. Show me something more than a Dodge Challenger drove in a parking garage and a guy in a red t-shirt got out. That's a That's That's very thin. Those Those rims look similar, sir. Those rims look similar. [laughter] Like that's the best you got. Similar rims. Okay. Shortly after 10 p.m. Okay. He uh returns to campus on foot. Northeast neighborhood carrying a blue backpack now in a maroon shirt. Okay. So distinction here and there's a little bit of discrepancy I heard in the in the testimony of officer Hull and in the prosecutor statements. So they say that 8:30 he showed up in a red shirt. Say there's one outfit and shorts uh the blue backpack. They're saying that at 10 10:00 a.m. he returned to campus on foot uh with a maroon shirt, gray olive shorts and Converse shoes. Walked with a limp previously not observed. went to Chick-fil-A and the Sorenson Center, ate and then to a wooded area northeast of Campus Drive through buildings to the Losi railing roof access. Right? That's according to them. Now, what's interesting about that is maybe this is a AI problem. Uh cuz it said uh he was wearing shorts with a limp. We all know that's true. It was pants. Pants. Um
I don't think he had a limp at that. Well, they didn't I don't recall them claiming he had a limp at that time. Uh, but they did claim he came back on and ate at Chick-fil-A, but did they show us any footage of him eating at Chick-fil-A? Did they show even a still shot of him in the place where the Chick-fil-A was? Was he the only one at the table? How did he pay? Did he pay with a debit card? Did he pay with touchless pay? Like, any one of these things could absolutely have established the fact that he was back there. Now, granted, it's not a crime to eat at Chick-fil-A. He's not being charged with eating at Chick-fil-A. Some people think it probably should be, but it's not.
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They have ex um but if if if you're going to establish a narrative and you're going to say, "Look, look how many times he came on campus. This is clearly him." Show me it's him. Show me it's him. Don't just tell me he was there. Show me a picture of him there. Show me his payment. Uh you know, if you have the same guy using the same card for the uh parking garage and the Chick-fil-A. Okay. And you go me, you show me a picture. Look, it's the same guy. He kind of looks like Tyler. He's using Tyler's card. Okay. Now, now we're getting somewhere. But having some British ghost tell me that we think it might have been him and he kind of was driving a Challenger and he's got a hankering for fried chicken. I mean, okay.
I mean, I do love me some Chick-fil-A. So, that part I get.
And by the way, Chick-fil-A is not sponsoring this. Just to say it's not sponsoring.
It's good chicken. It's good chicken.
It is good chicken. And And they close on Sunday. Very observant. Very observant. All right. So, uh, then they say at 12:15 to 12:22, he climbed and rolled over the railing onto the Losi building, moved to the southwest corner, crouched and crawled, and then assumed a prone position. At 12:23, um, approximately 12:23 28, uh, he remained proned after the shot, stood, moved across the roof carrying a long dark dark object consistent with a rifle. Now, this is the testimony of officer Hull, consistent with a rifle, jumped down and fled northeast across campus drive into the wooded area where later a boltaction 306 rifle wrapped in a towel was recovered and with one spent casing and uh three unfired uh engraved cartridges. a vehicle consistent with his was captured near Campus Drive uh around 12:24 p.m. that day. Now, um what's interesting is that they the teleporting I loved your show the other day about the teleporting screwdriver, right? Cuz I had just done the time traveler penguage story. um that teleporting screwdriver. Cash Patel is the one that inserted that into the narrative that it was on the roof, right?
Cash Patel on the morning of September 15th was the first person to ever put that screwdriver on the roof publicly.
And and there's another thing that Cash Patel inserted into the narrative that wasn't there before, which was the quote unquote confession note.
Right? So if you if you look at the timeline um up up until I think it was man I want to say the following week even he we had not heard of any note that he left his lover or anything like that. Cash Patel said at first he said well we don't have the note the note was destroyed but we were able to retrieve the note through our and this is his words our aggressive interviewing posture at the FBI.
Here's the interesting thing about that too. When they produced that note, the image of the note at the preliminary hearing, there was a date on it. There were two dates. There was a date in the file name and then an actually generated date on the on the u the artifact that they used to produce the note. Both of them said September 15th. So the question I think on cross-examination should have been what is this date? What is the date? Is this September 15th? Is this the date you took the picture of the note? Because that would mean it was burned after September 15th. Is this the date you printed off the picture of the note? What what what program were you using? How did you how did you generate this this image? And why does it say September 15th? I thought it was a big miss by the defense to not pursue that. Even if the answer would have further solidified the existence of the note, if you let it go without mention, you're just basically allowing the note to be established as part of the narrative. It would be better to figure out why does it say September 15th? Now, maybe they already know and it's it's damaging to the Fed's case, but it would have been nice for us at home to know why does the note say September 15th on it? Because that's about the first time they started mentioning this note.
Almost like it didn't exist until then.
Um well, there's a few things and I don't want to get too far into it, but uh there's a few things that the defense could have at least like they didn't cross-examine either of the officer Hull when he gave this testimony about the timeline. They chose not to cross-examine him until later on when um they wanted to ask him about the ring footage, right? They didn't cross-examine him about this particular timeline about UVU specifically, which is I think is the most critical piece of the timeline. Obviously, that's when they're saying Tyler Robinson was at the school, you know. Um I think Go ahead.
Well, that you know, again, it's it's not a crime to be at Chick-fil-A. It's not a crime to be in the parking garage at 8:30. So that that's that's not an element of what they have to prove to to show Tyler Robinson is guilty. What it does is it it sets a narrative. So sometimes prosecutors want to tell a story. They don't want to just say element A, element B, element C, reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, or beyond reasonable doubt, he's guilty, put him away. They want to they want to tell a story to the public, to the judge, to the uh onlookers, to uh eventually the jury. And I think what they're doing is establishing this story, this narrative, so that you can almost read the book. You can picture Tyler coming around. He's casing the joint. He's looking around. He's he decides he wants to a nice full belly for his first day of of [laughter] hunting humans. I mean, it's just it's it's gruesome. And I think it would have been nice, as you said, for them to sort of push back a little bit and say, "What what ev why why can't we look at it? Why have you not presented this? Why? Where? Where is this imagery? We don't have it. You say he's at Chick-fil-A. How do you know that? What did he pay with? It would have been nice for them to sort of follow up on that a little bit, but you know, I I don't want to sit here and just double double check their strategy or suggest I would have done something differently because I don't know what they know. They may know more than I do. Obviously, they probably do. And there may be some particular strategic reason why they weren't doing that. It's just hard for me to sit here as an onlooker without access to all that information and think of what that could be.
I mean, tonight I think the the most the two key most like the witnesses were uh you know, of course the timeline guy, right? And then the um was it the DNA guy? There was another one, too. It was one of them they chose not to cross-examine later on.
They crossed DNA person. Yeah.
Oh. Oh, it was it was uh Baggley, our favorite guy.
Yeah. And and he should have been he should have been cut up pretty good.
Yeah, I mean, at least one question.
Oh, no. They did they did question him because they did cross-examine him because that's when they came out with the body cam footage died.
Oh, okay. Okay.
Yeah.
Well, yeah. I think that was later later cross. Yep. Maybe you're right. You're right. All right. Um let me move on. So, we got them there. Okay. So, I have the discrepancies here. Clothing and appearance descriptions differ between sources. The charging information, this is about the uh from the morning all the way up until Charlie got shot. Uh clothing and appearances description differ between sources. The charging information describes the suspect entering campus around 11:51 a.m. in a black shirt with an American flag, dark baseball cap, large sunglasses, and a unusual gate consistent with a concealed rifle. Hull's video testimony describes sequent sequential changes. Early red t-shirt and shorts, later maroon t-shirt and shorts, converse backpack and a limp used for identification. There is no clear consistent facial identification across the entire day at UVU. Reliance is placed almost primarily on the vehicle, the limp, and the overall sequence. Roof footage shows a long dark object but limited clarity on the face height or the definition of the object. There is no defin definitive confirmation that it is even a rifle in every view. These mismatches are highlighted uh by our accounts and I agree. I agree. I didn't hear even when they um had Lance Twigs look at the stairway pictures he could he said he's like I can't say with 100% certainty. Well, then
he did.
At first he did. He saw all six pictures. He's like, I can't say definitively it's him. I can't say with 100% certainty it's him. And then it's obvious to me somebody offscreen was like, "Bro, you've got to identify him. Like, this is the key to the whole [laughter] case. You you've you've you supposedly live with this guy. You see him every day. You saw him that morning. Come on." And then he was like, "Uh, yeah, but in those last two, I yeah, I I can say it's him. It's definitely him. Um, I'm sorry. That's that doesn't cut it." And I think a jury would see right through that. And that's why we don't let this stupid Zoom testimony in. That's why that's a jury would never
Why would they do that?
So they can cook it. So they can cook it.
Did they do they did Did they do Zoom to give the appearance or the the perception that they are in different places and not sitting across the table from each other?
No, I don't I don't even think they did that. I I have no I think they did zoom because it limits the the quality you're going to get. Um and then it it captures him only in this little square and so you can't see what's going off directly offside the off the screen. You don't know if somebody's sitting just out of his view kind of like keep going or more more. You have no idea what's going on. Um I I think it's it's nonsensical that a judge would even consider that testimony. I think the judge should just say, "I don't find this testimony to be valid." Like when you're when you're at a preliminary hearing, it's it's it's supposed to be sufficiency, not weight. Like the judge either finds it sufficient or insufficient. He's not supposed to consider the weight of the testimony. The weight goes for the ultimate factfinder at trial. But I would look at that and say that's not even sufficient testimony. Like I'm throwing Lance Twigs out entirely. I don't want to hear anything he had to say. He's not a consideration because of the way that testimony transpired. I don't find it credible. I don't find it believable. I'm going to look at the DNA testimony, the fingerprint testimony, the the ballistics. Um, we haven't even gotten to this part. I don't know if you're planning on it, but they didn't even present a dead body. There was no medical examiner. There was nobody who can say, "I saw the body and it was dead." They referenced it.
It doesn't matter. What do you I mean, you're going to if we're just going to have if if a preliminary hearing is just we're just reading off of reports, then why are we having a preliminary hearing? just attach the report to a motion and submit it to the judge and let him read it himself.
The whole case is like that though. It's all it's all reports.
Right? So why are we even going through this circus? Why this song and dance? Why not just you file a motion and you attach a bunch of reports to the motion and you submit it to the judge and say, "Judge, what do you think?"
Is the ME report usually included in a preliminary? Do you know?
Yes. And not only is the report included, the ME is included. the person who someone is at the preliminary hearing that says
that says this person
he's dead. I saw him. He's dead. That guy's dead. You no dead body, no crime.
There's a there's a conspiracy theory here. I'm not going to touch it. I don't go there. [laughter]
I know what you're talking about. But but I I think I think it's highly unusual that nobody testified that they saw a dead body. Nobody. And the closest that we got is the surgeon secondhand through Andrew Kovit. Right.
That wasn't presented at the preliminary hearing.
It wasn't. That's interesting.
No, the only thing they did was they said they read a report and the report said he was dead.
We didn't hear
we didn't hear from anybody from the hospital. We didn't hear from intake. We didn't hear anybody. Nope. None of the security team who supposedly could have testified, he was dead in their arms. We don't have a dead body at the preliminary hearing. We have a paragraph that was read into evidence. We don't know. I mean, that they say someone wrote it. I mean, granted, you know,
it was whole. It was Hull reading his notes about reading the ME report. Correct. That's the dead body. That's your dead body. That's the It's a murder case, by the way. This is a death penalty murder case. We don't have anyone testifying they saw a dead body.
That is so strange.
It is beyond strange. It is beyond strange. And any fed slopp out there cannot argue that that's weird.
Yeah, that's that's I you know, I'm going to look into Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I want to look into Utah precedent in in in uh murder cases and see how often that's occurred. I bet you it's very very rare, if ever. I mean, you have to prove he you have to prove beyond you have to prove probable cause on each element. And one of the elements is someone died. Like you have to prove Tyler Robinson, he's the defendant. So you have to prove it was him. You have to prove he he took some action that resulted in the life being lost. And if you can't show probable cause on those three on those three items, you can't go forward. You can't
do you think holes uh hearsay because hearsay is allowed right so do you think the judge will use holes hearsay secondhand report about reading the me report will be accepted by the judge as checking that off as sufficient
yes but is that right
I don't think so
the me is 30 minutes away put him in the dock bring him in and say Hey, did you see a dead body? Did you identify the dead body? How did you identify the dead body? How did he die? Okay, thanks. Have a good day. They wouldn't even cross-examine that. I mean, why would you why would you draw more attention to that? But it's so weird that we didn't even get the report. We got somebody telling us they read a report.
His notes about reading the report. [laughter]
Yeah, it's a weird ca like nothing about this case is normal. Nothing about this case is normal. I I think that the Utah um if we're going with the and I I'm with you on this one. Of course, I'm open to the I am open to the official narrative being correct if you present evidence that convinces me of that. I have not seen that. Um I am leaning towards multi- agency coverup, right? And uh because I think there's more compelling evidence of that than there is of anything else. Um, if that's the case, right, uh, I don't think we'll ever hear from the Emmy.
No, you're going to have to at trial. There's I mean, you can't bring in a report at trial. Like, you you're going to have to have somebody sit there at least and say these notes were kept in the reasonable and ordinary course of business. You know, you're going to have to satisfy the business records exception, get them in, and that's going to have to be a a records custodian. So, you're at least going to have to get that. Um, but I cannot imagine you're not going to bring the ME in and say dead body, right? We you saw a do you you you examined a body that was not alive, you know, um or or at least the doctor that called it. You're going to have to bring somebody in to show a dead body. You can't have a murder case without a body.
Yeah, I that's it that is strange. I think that they they I think they were counting on using his whole testimony as the ME report. Two things on this dead body issue, though. We get so caught up on Lee Troder. He's the surgeon. Lee Troder is not the emergency room physician. Lee Troder is a surgeon. Who's the emergency room physician? Somebody had to be the emergency room physician to receive Charlie Kirk. Now, Troder can come in and try to do surgery and save his life, but there should be an emergency room physician. Who? me.
Well, I mean, that's that's after he's dead.
But there has to be some kind of physician in charge of the emergency room that day. You don't have an emergency room without an emergency room physician. Who was that?
That's um God, I I want to say that's in one of the phone calls. One of the uh there was a uh I posted this, it went viral, too. It was a clip of a 911 call or it was actually radio communications between the hospital dispatch where they were talking about putting uh sending Charlie to another location to have him examined. And I think that there was a um a doctor named in that conversation. I'm not 100% sir. I have to go back and look.
Well, speaking of timeline, that timeline's all screwed up, too, but we can talk about that later.
All right. Yeah. And I don't We're already 30 minutes in. Let me keep going. keep going because there's a couple of points I really want to make sure that we hit while we're talking about this. All right, so then we have um discrepancies there. Okay, here we go. Um particularly what happened afterwards. This is this is the biggest point of contention I think. um after right from from the time Charlie Kirk was assassinated onward all the way up until uh Lance Twigs I mean not Lance Twigs Tyler Robinson allegedly turned himself in this this part of the timeline I think is under the most has the biggest problems for the Fed slops.
Well, before we get to that, can I back you up just to hear?
Yep.
Because we're told he ran into the woods.
Why? Why are we told he ran into the woods? The the gun was found in the woods. So, we understand that their story would need him to run in the woods, but is there an eyewitness that sees him run into the woods? Is there a camera that sees him run into the woods? If so, why didn't you present that? That seems pretty critical to the case. That puts him in pos that put him, that puts him in the immediate proximity of the discovery of the gun. We at least need to see him going into the woods. We need to, you know, why are you assuming that's where he went?
That that needs to be established. On camera, you see him running across the street, but you don't see which direction he runs. I've been there numerous times now. It's uphill to the right. So, if I'm running the same path as the as the alleged shooter, uh, and I cross the street, I can go right or left. There is houses and a fence line and a and a ditch in front of me. Um, and to the left there is like a uh um uh like ROC or Army National Guard building for the UVU and a parking lot in front of it or behind it. And then on the right is a small wood line and it's not like woods. Woods like dense thick forest, right? We're talking about a line of trees behind people's backyards um and in between the road and their backyards, right? And it's down in a ditch. So, it's down elevated below the road so that you can you're kind of obscure, but you're not completely obscure. And um we don't see which direction he runs. You're 100% right.
Right. I mean, and and and this is a critical part of their narrative, right? We we have to put we have to put Tyler Robinson in possession of the gun in the location where the gun was found. The They all say he went there. Why? No one was asked why do you think he went there? Well, he went to the road. Okay. Did he turn right? Did he turn left? Did he go across the street? Did he do you see him walk up into the woods? Do you like Where did he go? Where did he go? Why are you saying he's there? Anyway, I don't want to get too bothered.
They're saying that they're saying that he was there because that's where they found the firearm.
I think that's why they're saying that's where he was.
It's the same reason of why why the screwdriver teleported. Remember the screwdriver was found next to the gun at first, but now wait a second. We got to tie the gun to the roof. We got to tie the roof to Tyler Robinson. Oh, miraculously the screwdriver teleports.
Yeah,
now it's on the roof.
Okay. Yeah, that's a that's a good point. That's a good point. We don't have him going any certain direction again. So, there's another discrepancy in the timeline. How do you put Tyler Robinson in the woods with the gun? That's a very good question. When did he do that? How do how do we know he did that? How do you know it was him? How do you know it was even that that same person we saw jump off the roof? It's a really good question. Um, all right. So then afterwards, and this is where it gets really murky. What did he do, the shooter, the alleged shooter, the rooftop person, we'll just say, right? Roof guy. What did roof guy roof roof guy do after after he ran away? You know, we have allegedly that's Tyler Robinson. If you listen to the feds, they say, here we go. Um, if you listen to the feds, they say that he hung around and went a little south of Orum. And I'm not not 300 miles away, just south of town. and and killed time until he could come back and try to get the the weapon. Um, Lance Twigs testified, and this is a huge discrepancy that you called out, and good job on that. Lance Twig testified that he did not receive a communication from Tyler Robinson until 11 p.m. that evening, and it was an automated text, which I didn't even know you could do, right? I didn't know that you could do that. Have you ever sent an automated text?
I've never sent one, but I was aware that it was possible. Yeah.
Okay. Uh, but there was no communication before that, you know. Uh, there's a clip that you did that I I just laugh, dude, every time I see it. Uh, the the 4:00 the 4:33 text message between Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson. Mwah. Mwah. Mwah. Mama mama. [laughter]
Kills me, bro.
Conveniently forgot that Tyler Robinson reached out to him at 433.
Will that will that be able to impeach? Will that you know, does that go? That's kind of like the beer thing with with the guy that I interviewed, right? It's one of those small details. How much do you how much weight do you think to have on has on his evidence?
I, you know, let's just take Lance Twigs at face value. I can see him forgetting that. Like it was it was meaningless. It was a small communication with the weight of everything else that was discussed that day. I can see him forgetting that. Um, but I noticed none of the Fed sloppers jumped all over it like they did the two beers. Like, oh, this can't possibly be real. He he received a text at 433. Here's discrepancy. He's full of crap. No, I mean it's it's you know sometimes people look up at someone sitting at the bar and they see them drinking a soda and they think, "Oh, he's at the bar. He must had a couple of beers." Um sometimes people, you know, have their significant other confess to murder at 11 p.m. and they forget the 4:33 sweet nothing. You know, I mean that's if you take Lance Quigs at face value, I don't put a lot of stock in.
That's fair. That's fair. And I say the same thing about the other witness. I think it's a it's an inconsequential detail. Um especially since he didn't serve Tyler Robinson. and he just helped bring ring him up at the end of the night. The server definitely would have known. Um the you know I've just noticed they don't really tell us what he did from uh 12:30 p.m. until like where is he? That's 6 hours 8 hours.
Search warrants do. So, there were search warrants that said that they had identified his vehicle allegedly or at least identified his phone as being at a shopping center at 12:46 p.m. and he put in a location to the Quickquack car wash where he then drove to the Quick Quack car wash. So that's that's the that's when we lose him on the Fed slop timeline that he go that he apparently after a long day of Chick-fil-A eating and killing, the first thing you need to do is is wax up your whip, right? So he he heads over to the Quick Quack uh to shine to shine his rims and then we lose him and then we don't pick him up again until um after 11 when he's uh you know waiting to to go back and retrieve the rifle at
it's 12 hours later. I mean, it's 10 and a half. Yeah. But it's it's quite a bit later.
Well, we I mean, because we don't you know, we have him describing real time updates, you know, suggesting he is watching police and dodging sniffer dogs and all of this, right? But we don't actually don't have him uh officially
like concentr uh you know consequentially uh until the trooper stop at at around 12:30 a.m. Right. you know, 12:36 a.m. And you got to believe that this uh police officer, whoever it was, that called in the partial tag or or jotted down the partial tag, sorry, he didn't even call it in. That would have been actual evidence. Uh but he jotted down the partial tag of Tyler Robinson because he was so suspicious. He was so suspicious he didn't call it in. He [laughter] just jotted it down. And it was He was so suspicious he didn't get the whole six numbers. He just got three of them. Um, but if you believe that garbage, uh, yeah, that's the first time we we have him again officially anywhere on the Fed slap timeline. 12:36 a.m.
Yeah, that's um that's insane to me. That's insane to me. Uh, just conveniently enough, each one of these uh, you know, these officials only have partial And why didn't we hear from that guy?
Go forth. I don't know. Um, why didn't we hear from a lot of people? [laughter] It's, you know, that's that's cuz that's he is the first concrete link that they have for half of the day. 12 hours. 12 hours.
He's the first concrete link they have until he walks into the Washington County Sheriff's Office.
Why did not So, that's crazy to me that we didn't hear from him. That's crazy. And and so, uh, but we do have a problem here. So, I'm going to address this because it's going off in the chat. People have been asking me about it. the Dairy Queen photo allegedly taken at 6:30ish uh p.m. on that day, right, that Candace Owens published. Um I there is no and and um I think I think that someone did this to try to get uh to muddy the waters. There's no evidence that that photo was taken on on on uh September the 10th.
Well, and even if it was taken on September 10th, there's no time stamp. So, um, most security footage has some sort of time stamp associated with it. For whatever reason, this one didn't. Whoever retrieved that photo from the, uh, security footage could have provided evidence of what time that time, uh, time stamp was. They chose not to. I think there's a reason for that. Um, one is they could have done it quickly and it could have been reading UTC time, for example, and it could have said 6:36 p.m. or 6:38 p.m. and they didn't realize they had to subtract 6 hours for Utah daily time and it was actually 12:38 p.m. So, that's option A. Option B is maybe it's off an hour because of daylight savings or it's set for whatever reason on central time or Eastern time and so it's off an hour or two that way. That's possible. Um, option three is I think what you're suggesting, which is this is a malicious attempt to poison the investigation, to throw people off. This is not unusual. I've had several people actually spent days chasing down leads that that fake people have given me that turn out to be fake. And what they're they're either trying to get you to um to to muddy the water the investigation or defame somebody or or just just lose credibility by by reporting something that is then debunked later. Um, and so you have to be cautious with this. I think Candace was cautious with it. I think she checked out the source. But if if somebody that you know has access to this footage gives you the footage and then tells you the time stamp, I I see why she went with that at at the time, you know, and and like all investigations, sometimes you you use a piece material and then later you look back and say, I you know, I'm starting to call into question that piece of material. Let's set that aside for now and and just say we don't know because we didn't see a time stamp. We don't have definitive proof that it was September 10th. We don't have a definitive proof it was 6:38 p.m. So, let's just let's just leave it there. We know he was at a Dairy Queen or somebody who looked like him, at least a picture was was supposedly at a Dairy Queen. So, let's set that aside for now and figure out later if it fits somewhere because it it seems to be in congruent with the rest of the investigation at present.
Well, and and and the thing that really kind of like um set off an alarm bell for that picture for me was the fact that the prosecution didn't use it. It's the clearest image of of a of a face that we get the entire day if allegedly, right? And so, if that's the case, I mean, you could positively ID him at in Orum. That puts him in Orum uh looking right at the camera, right? Why would why would the prosecutor not put that in his timeline? And I would argue is because it can't be conclusively put at a certain date and time.
Yeah. The only thing right now that puts him in orum is that they presented at the preliminary hearing. Now, there may be other things that they have that that were in search warrants or whatever, but the only thing in front of the judge right now that puts him in ORUM is a partial plate taken by Officer Go forth, who didn't testify. a um a partial, let's call it, identification by Lance Twigs of of some some blurry footage and a the fact that a Charger consistent with a car
driven by Tyler Robinson was seen on campus. That is the That is it. That is the evidence Tyler Robinson was even in the county. That's all they gave us. It's all they gave us.
Now, his rifle, sure, in the county. Screwdriver from his house in the county. Great. That doesn't that doesn't mean Tyler Robinson was in the county. Doesn't mean he was on campus.
If you're if you're the judge and you're looking and you say, "Okay, the only evidence I have he even left his house that day is a partial plate given to us by an officer who didn't testify. A couple of blurry two or three blurry sets of images here and there. Maybe blurry videos here that his alleged lover can't even 100% identify. All right. So, do do we know he was even I mean, was he the one sleeping at home all day?"
[laughter] You know, it it it becomes a it becomes a problem, I think, as you as you look at this supposed mountain of evidence that we're told exists. When you actually look at the mountain, you're like, "That's a that's a Bob Ross painting, man. That's that's not an actual mountain."
[laughter] This isn't a mountain. No, I mean, it the mountain crumbles very quickly as soon as you start looking at it at all. Um, okay. So, where were we next? I we are running out of time and I do want to get a little bit further.
Okay, so this brings me So, I addressed Dairy Queen, right? The m the fact of the matter is is that we don't have anybody from Dairy Queen corroborating the time saying, "Yeah, I saw him there." Right? I supplied this, right? We don't have that.
Um, so people, the next thing is Panggu, right? Uh, shout out to Candace Owens. Candace Owens broke the story on Panggu. Uh, I would not have known about Panguitch if it wasn't for Candace Owens. Uh, she has definitely been the tip of the spear and leading the charge on this investigation. And, um, I followed up while I was in Utah on the ground and, uh, got an interview and, man, the attacks over that were like next level. Next level, next level.
Because we have an actual person 100%. Out of all of the people that we've named so far, Hull, Bagley, Twigs, right? None of them said, "Oh, that's definitely him. 100% certain that's definitely him. I recognize the face and the voice."
Yeah. And uh so we have an eyewitness in Panguitch says Tyler Robinson ate here, ate a steak. Uh which is another reason why I don't think the Dairy Queen is like we have him at Panguage. I mean, this guy, according to the Fed slot timeline, he had chicken 10 times that day. He ate like six meals. I mean, I don't know, man. He he he literally weighs 150 lbs, right? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. That might be jail weight.
[laughter] Yeah. So, he we have him in Panguitch from 8:55 p.m. to And I think this is what saved his life. I think this is what I think going to Penguish is a deviation from whatever it was he was supposed to be doing, whether it be knowingly or unknowingly, right? And and I think that going to Penguin is a deviation that they were not ready for and it threw everything. You can just tell that that is when everything just veers off course and now they have to try to put together this narrative that is just full of holes and there's not evidence to support.
And and we have a a receipt, you know, that doesn't have Tyler Robinson's name on it, but it does have the last four of his debit card numbers on it. And and there are um very few people in the world that can confirm the identity of that debit card and his family are the only ones really that can do that.
And himself. So there there there well there are couple places. So So um [clears throat] and I don't know if they've done this. This is typical. Someone goes to jail, you still have a life, right? You still have bills that are due. You have car insurance that has to be paid or at least put on hold. You have rent that has to be paid or at least put on hold or you have to So you typically when someone goes to jail for a long time, they'll assign power of attorney to someone they trust. Usually a parent in this situation because he doesn't have kids, he doesn't have a wife. Um so you give power of attorney to mom and dad. And mom and dad could then walk into the bank and say, "I need his transaction history from September 9th, 10th, and 11th." 8, 8, 9, 10th, 11, 12th. Let's just get four. I need his transaction history. I need to see did he eat at Dairy Queen? Did he eat at Chick-fil-A? Did he eat at Cowboy Steakhouse? Because we need to begin to establish was he where they claim he was. So that would be one way to do it.
So another way to do it though with the same power of attorney or with just, you know, maybe there's mail or whatever. Permit. Well, maybe. But is that the last four numbers of his card? Is that the last four numbers of his card? Can you just pull out the Visa out of his wallet and say, "Ah, 2 2961." I don't know what the I mean, I do. I have a copy of it, but 2961. Okay. Well, that's that's consistent. That's the same. You know, hey, look, we have a match.
For the record. Those are not his numbers. Just or the numbers on the on the on the receipt. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't do that. But but, you know, can we can we compare because at least then it's one in 10,000 chance, right? You you're you're down to a a pretty thin match at that point. So now we have a face ID, a voice ID, and a 1 in 10,000 match on the last four numbers. So that's that's pretty compelling evidence. The point of sales system also would have his name.
So according to the owner though, he said that a glitch was preventing him from being able to obtain it, which I thought was interesting. Yeah. And an FBI uh instituted a glitch. So I I would if if I'm mom and dad and I want to say, "Hey, you know, because if he's in Panguage, the likelihood he did this is almost none because then the then the text messages don't read right. they're not correct. Um, so if I'm mom and dad, I'm going to the bank and saying, "I need the transaction history. I need to see did he eat at Chick-fil-A? Did he eat at Did he park? Do we have a parking pass going in? Um, you know, go to every bank account he has access to. I need to see the results for the for like maybe a week. Give me a week before and a week after. I need to see what's going on here."
At the very least, just the last four. Yeah. Yeah. Well, speaking of mom and dad though, you know what else they could do? What time did they turn him in Washington County? Because supposedly Brooksby's Brooks be and I know you're probably going to get there, but you're going through the timeline and I'm jumping.
Yeah, I think we can jump there. We're running out of time anyways. Yeah. So, um Yeah. So, so mom and dad could s they were in the car. They know what time they turned them in.
The entire case. The entire. Why is so significant? Why is it so significant? The entire the entire case rests on on Sheriff Brooksby saying he got a call at 802 and that's the first he'd ever heard of Tyler Robinson and that prompted him to pick up the phone and call the Utah County Sheriff's Office and say, "Hey, I think I got a guy coming in. He's claiming he did it or he's claiming he was involved, whatever it is." Um, you don't even have to get into what Tyler told you. You know, you don't have to get into, oh, he confessed to this or he confessed to that or or he didn't confess or he just scared for safety, whatever it was. does whatever the reason was. If he was driven to the Washington County Sheriff's Office at 3:00, 4:00, 5:00, 6:00, he's not guilty. In my opinion, he is not guilty. And it will so overwhelm it will destroy the fed slop narrative. It will it is a house of cards and the single point of failure on that house of cards is an 802 phone call that officer Brookby supposedly got for the first time that Tyler Robinson was not yet in custody. He did not come into custody till after 9:00, he said, or around 9:00.
So, what time was he taken in? Was it daylight outside? Is there a text and dad? Is there Can you go to your Google map search history and say here's where we looked up the the time, here's what time it was. And there's got to be some evidence, even if it's just a statement that no, we turned him in at 3:00. We turned him in at 4:00. But if he was if he was in custody before 802, the case is over the entire because what it shows is diligent a multi- agency cover up. It shows the FBI is lying. It shows Utah County Sheriff's Office is lying. Shows the Washington County Sheriff's Office is lying. That shows the vice president is lying. It shows the president is lying. It shows the prosecution is lying. It shows the potentially the defense team is lying. Everyone should know by now. Everyone should know by now the time he turned himself in. And the Washington County Sheriff's Office played footsie and played some stupid game with a with a news organization that just asked for a public record that they're entitled to. Oh, you didn't use the exact right words for the public record. I'm not going to give it to you. Okay. Well, give us everything you got. Oh, no. We've already deleted it. And then we find out they didn't at all delete it. So, they lied. They lied. And why are they lying? Why are they playing footsie? If it's if it's goes to everything that's wrong with this case. If it's so obvious, if there's such amount of evidence, put Lance Twigs on the dock and say testify. If it's so obvious, put the medical examiner up. If it's so obvious, why are we why the cover up? If it's so obvious he did it, why is there a cover up? And I'm sorry, that cover up begins and the whole thing begins as a point of failure with what time was he turned in? And if you if and and I'm telling you I I'd say this in all seriousness. Tyler Robinson I think is safe until the judge determines there's probable cause.
What What do you mean by that? Well, because right now if something were to happen to Tyler Robinson, there's such a question, it's going to look very suspicious. But the day the judge determines there's probable cause that's going to be twisted because you see how everything that is reported is twisted. that's going to be twisted as a finding of guilt that that that the mountain of evidence exists that it's it's a no-brainer. This is so stupid. All these people are conspiracy theorists. We saw that on the last day where they were saying Tyler Robinson knows that he's screwed on the last day of the preliminary hearing. All of the fed slop shills, the conink shills came out with the same messaging. They're setting up the suicide. In my opinion, if they can get to Jeffrey Epstein in federal custody at McGomery Manhattan Correctional Facility, they can get to Tyler Robinson in Utah County. Period. End of story. But the the thing that keeps him alive, the thing that keeps him safe is the doubt of his guilt. And the doubt of his guilt would be overwhelming overwhelming doubt of his guilt if he was turned in before 802. Overwhelming like end of the story overwhelming doubt of his guilt because then it's obvious there's a cover up and his parents and the bishop and Mike Mitchell would be the only people that would know that outside of the Washington County Sheriff's Office. So, what time was it? What time was it? That that's that's my question.
So So really the the family has access potentially can get two pieces of critical evidence to exonerate potentially exonerate their son and save his life. uh and that is the card number and also more importantly I would argue is the time to which he was turned in because they are alleging that text messages were sent confessing to the crime uh when he was you know from what we're told already in custody which would be impossible after 8:02 uh if it's before 8:02 p.m. when Brooksby said he got the call that Tyler would want to come in, right? Actually places him there later. Uh it's impossible for him to send those text messages if he was already in custody.
Yeah. I mean to to me if I'm in possession of any evidence whatsoever that contradicts the fed slot narrative, you have to bring it out now. I mean you've got until September 1st. At any point September 1st or later, the judge could rule. And at that point, I think Tyler Robinson's in grave jeopardy. I And I hate to talk like that. I'm not callous. I've practiced criminal defense for a while. I've been around the system. I've I've been observing the news for a long time. You see a lot of weird stuff. When there's high stakes investigations that begin crumbling or people are at risk of being exposed. Um, if I am in possession of evidence that contradicts the fed slot narrative in a significant way, I want that out in the public before September 1st because after September 1st be dangerous.
And why is it more important for it to be out in the public as opposed to turning into the authorities or the defense directly? Because if it's a multi- agency cover up, it's going to involve everybody. It's going to involve everybody. And and I'm sorry to say this as a lawyer. I I would hate that this is true. I I would hope this isn't true, but a multi a multi- agency coverup could include the defense. You don't know that it doesn't. I mean, if it if it includes the top of the FBI and the medical examiner's office and the surgeons and the hospital administrators and the FBI and the police, if if you have this sort of allencompassing book cooking going on, you can't rule out the defense. And now, as a lawyer, I have to be very cautious saying that. I'm not accusing the defense of being sold out. I'm not accusing the defense. But if I'm if I'm his aunt, cousin, mom, dad, brother, someone who really loves him, I'm not ruling it out. I'm not ruling it out at all. I'm going straight to the press. I'm going out in public and test. I'm I'm I'm getting evidence out that that that these things are not true.
That can't be buried, right? You can hand it off and it might never see the light of day in court. Yeah. Because the as long as there's doubt that he's guilty, they can't take him out. Because then it then it then it becomes odd. Then it's a Lee Harvey Oswald situation. Why are we still talking about Kennedy 62 years later, 65 years later? Because he died. Because Lee Harvey Oswald died.
Um and I would argue even more so. I think this is even more because of the the decentralized nature of the citizen investigation and because of all the evidence that's out there and just because of the technology we have and and I just the way information is shared now. I I think that there is even more skepticism and scrutiny now than there was back then because then they they got all their information from three major channels and it took and it took years to get it. You know, the the the Warren Commission was not like the next week. I mean, it took years to get that. Um, and so it's it's a you're right. I mean, you have a 24-hour sleepless investigation going on all over the world. You got people in Australia with podcast talking about the Tyler Robinson case. You have I mean, people tuning in from from 100 countries on average on my show uh every show to just dying to know what happened, who killed Charlie Kirkow, and why. And as long as there's some measure of doubt, he's safe. But the second the judge rules there's probable cause, you saw what happened. The second they played video that the public didn't have access to, they walked out and said, "4k, easy as day. That's Tyler Robinson. No question. We saw him pull the trigger." The reality is, no, they didn't. But because they said it, news stations started picking it up and reporting it as fact. And the second the judge rules there's probable cause, the news stations are going to report it as fact. They're just going to report as fact. He's he's as good as guilty in the eyes of the media. And so and.
[clears throat] That's it's that's that's I would I would want to get out in front of that day. One one last one last uh I want to place some emphasis on this before you go. They cannot afford to let Tyler Robinson go to trial. And and and and and the reason I think that is is because of all of these glaring holes that we are like, "Look at this. Look at this. There's a conflict here. There's a conflict here. There's a conflict here." Right now, those are just generalized reports that we can't really highly scrutinize because the standard of evidence is so low during a preliminary hearing that you can't really challenge it. What happens that changes in trial? In trial, it's out there for everybody to see. It gets cross-examined. All of the witnesses do. All the evidence, key evidence gets challenged. And because of these glaring holes, I don't think they can afford, the government can afford for it to go to trial. They want him to plead guilty. Yeah, I I don't I don't think he was supposed to turn himself in. I I think I think his life was saved when he turned himself in. Um or or any harm that might befall him was at least delayed when he turned himself in. And now they're scrambling trying to put a case together. The prosecution is obviously not confident in they did not try that preliminary hearing as if they were confident in it. Um the police don't seem particularly confident in it. There's holes all over the place. Nobody can make a positive ID. We got grainy, blurry footage. We I mean, it's just we have a a shifting screwdriver that may or may not even fit the weapon. You you can't even, you know, they they won't even turn the weapon or the bullets over to the defense to examine. They won't turn the DNA over to examine. They won't let them look at anything. It's obvious they're just buying time for the And then and then and then the uh victim representative, um Charlie's widow, her lawyer's filing things like, "Make it quicker, bud. Make it quicker. We demand you rule quicker. Why? Why the hurry? Why the pressure? Why are we We know why. I think we know why.
And so if I have if I have evidence that contradicts the story, I bring it. Well, uh hopefully hopefully that um his parents, you know, um do do uh find whatever they can to try to help their son. I I think that his life does depend on it and hopefully they uh find the courage to uh put it out there because I think that not hearing from them and um not seeing these things that could shed light on what looks to be a multi- agency cover up um it could secure his fate in a negative way. And I really hate to say that as well. I I think that also though on a on a lighter note that um I've said this to you privately, I've been saying it publicly. I do feel a God's hand in all of this. I feel like the reason why Tyler Robinson deviated from whatever he was supposed to do and went to Panguitch, I think that's a God, you know, God made that decision, led him there and and altered their overall scheme, um, in a way that they can't account for. Every time that you see man or these evil people, I'm sorry to say it, but they they're just blatant liars dishonoring the memory of Charlie Kirk. Um, every time you see that they scheme and try to control things, something happens that is outside the control of anyone and sheds light on the truth. That's God working to me. And I think that's exactly what's happening here.
Well, and I agree. And and who opposes God is is the the evilst forces imaginable. And if those people would frame an innocent person and and keep in mind, they're seeking the death penalty. If those people would frame an innocent person, they wouldn't hesitate to take his life before trial. Um, well, I know you got to go, Baron. Uh, you guys can catch Baron on YouTube. It's Is it real Baron Podcast, right? Yeah, I think so. If you just Google my name, you'll find it. But yeah, it's it's real Baron podcast. I mean, he doesn't need any promotion. He's actually doing me a great favor. They're like, "Dude, your first your first uh your first collab interview is Baron." Wow. Way to start off. You you've been killing it, man. Very few people have wanted to do first-person reporting in this case. A lot of people are scared to go to Utah, your humble host included. Um, and you did you just went on the ground and started talking to people, banging on doors, I have a lot of respect for that. So, when you asked me if I would be interested in coming on, of course I would. So, I really appreciate. Yeah. Thanks for your work. Great work. Thank you, man. I really appreciate that. And, uh, I am I I posted it in there. I am planning on going back uh sometime very soon. And, uh, I'm doing some more investigations, so uh, more on that to come. Um, thank you again. I really appreciate it. I will be uh I'll be talking to you later. Um, is there anything else that we need to say before you go? No, I don't think so. I mean, I think uh I just think the people who are sitting on any evidence that's contradictory to the fed slop narrative, to the mainstream narrative, to the idea that Tyler Robinson solely planned and executed Charlie Kirk on September 10th with a 30 from the Losi Center. Anyone sitting on evidence that contradicts any part of that story, they have a limited time to to come forward and. They need to publish it. Yeah. Yeah. and then it'll be too late. It'll be Yeah. Because if if you publish it and and it becomes um public information, then it's not something that the defense can ignore, right? If if you hand it over privately, there's a chance that the defense will say, "Oh, well, we thought that that didn't hold up or yada yada yada." But if it's conclusive conclusive evidence that exonerates uh Robinson of any of part of this timeline um and and it's public, they are forced into a situation where they have to use it because it will show that they are for whatever reason not defending him the way that they should be. If they don't, right? If they don't, it it would be it would be tough to face the judge and know that there's evidence that's uh inconsistent with the preliminary hearing evidence and you didn't mention it. That would be that would be a tough conversation. 100%. And I am going to be uh having a few more conversations this weekend. I'll update you on that. Thank you again, Baron. Really appreciate you. Uh I'm going to stay on for a little bit and answer some of these questions in the chat and then uh we'll wrap it up. Baron, thank you again, Baron. Thanks for having me. I'll see you again soon. Appreciate you, brother. All right, it's cool. So, let me read uh some of these chats and uh that was amazing, man. What a great guy. And I really appreciate him uh helping me out while I was in Utah on the ground, man. Uh it's good to feel like uh you're not alone in this. I think a lot of us feel like we're not alone. Um but to actually see that kind of support, like, "Hey, man, I'll stay on the phone with you." Uh it was amazing. Absolutely amazing. So, I will read some of these. Uh, have a wonderful weekend, Mofar Baron. That's from Madness. Let me scroll up. We have uh Belelkins is tuned in. That's how bad the Fed slop is. Go Max. That's from Fuzzy Logic. Uh that's uh over there in across the pond. Let me pull these up. Okay. So, um I am learning how to do YouTube. So, if you're if you're new over here, uh hit that like button, turn notifications on. I am going to be I am more X focused, but I am going to be um concentrating more on YouTube. I just spent a month uh 3 weeks in Utah. Uh did on the ground reporting, covered the hearing, went there in person, door knocked, went to Panguage, and uh when I got back, X had demonetized me and suspended my co-host off the platform. So, I don't know what's going on with X, but it does seem like uh they are engaging in censorship. And so, I am going to be joining Baron and a few other of the podcasters over here to bring my information uh out this way. I'm going to be using multiple platforms cuz obviously the stuff that we're reporting on that breaks the Fed slot timeline, they are aggressively trying to keep from getting out. reminds me of the uh you know uh I can't I don't know if I can say that thing that rhymes with ovid ovid hov right it reminds me of that kind of like moderation content moderation and censorship and so I definitely want to avoid that as much as possible. Um but yeah uh I really appreciate you guys. I will be doing these uh these live streams probably three or four times a week and um I am going to be going back to Utah here in the next month doing some on the ground investigation. I got some new leads to follow up on and um we have some news that's going to be dropped over the next few weeks. Uh that is really going to make the Fed slop scramble. I'm not even joking. It's already out. It's already out. Not any one person is doing it. U but it is it is going to happen. And after I think after that h it's going to change everything. Every everything is going to change after that. And um they're gonna have a really hard time selling lies. Uh so thanks again everybody. God bless you. And we'll see you see you see you Monday. Have a good night.