Todd Blanche’s 30-Second Silence Says It All | The Next Level

I am a little concerned that we seem to be getting numb to this stuff.

>> I'm not [ __ ] numb.

>> Hello everyone. This is JVL here with my best friends Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the Bull Work. We have some good news, some bad news, some bad news that has led to good news, some crazy news. All all of the news.

>> What's the good news?

We have good news. Well, the the good news is that as of an hour or two before us taping, we have word that DHS and ICE are going to stop trying to detain people in their vehicles

>> because they keep killing people.

>> That's the good news and the good news.

>> That's the good news.

>> Okay,

>> that's what passes for good news in 2026. I'm sorry, buddy.

>> Okay. Well, that good news is just a matter of the fact that Todd Blanch has a hearing coming up and they don't want him to have to answer for all of the people that are shooting.

>> That's like the worst good news I've ever heard in my life. Honestly, I'm trying to think of a worst good news. So, anyway, great.

>> ICE says they're going to stop murdering people in their cars. Good news. Uh, so here's what happened last week. Lorenzo Salgado Ajo was shot and killed by an ICE officer in Houston during a traffic stop. Yesterday, Joan Sebastian Guerrero was killed by ICE in Bifford, Maine. I am a little concerned that we seem to be getting numb to this stuff uh or that because it's not American citizens, people aren't as like up in arms, but I don't know. I mean, you guys have been banging the drum on this and working working hard to highlight this and bring people's attention to it. Um, tell me what's going on.

>> I'm not [ __ ] numb. Um, so can I go first, Sarah? Unfort I had to I taped Pete yesterday. I appreciate the pod with Pete. Um we'll talk about at the end. But like it was this was all just happening and so like we like we did talk about it but only for like two minutes because I I just we you know we didn't have the facts um to have a full conversation about it. Um and uh and so I haven't really had a chance to um pop off. And it is so outrageous and insane that there have been two murders by agents of the state this week. Both cases the the person that they killed was not the person that they were looking for. Both cases they killed the wrong person. In the main case, they didn't even give us the dignity of lying to us in the main case that that he was trying to go after the officers. They just said he was trying to flee.

>> As if that is like at all justification or rationale for killing somebody, for killing the wrong person. And it's like it's hard to even imagine a sit I'm trying to think of a situation where like shooting somebody who is fleeing would be at all appropriate outside of the movies. I guess like a serial killer, you know, I mean or somebody that is running that is like an acute violent threat to the community maybe, but like beyond that, yeah, federal agents shouldn't just be firing at people in Baifford, Maine. Like this this shooting was like 20 minutes from the Bush compound in Kabunkport. Okay. and like quite far from the Mexico border, I should mention. And so it's like totally insane that we have armed agents of the state shooting people. They didn't even secure like the pictures. Have you seen the pictures this morning of the people who like wrote in shock, this is blood like the the street in Bifford, Maine, the is blood stained. And they didn't secure it. like the the pictures of the two guys that did it seemed like they were just kind of plotting what their spin was going to be. Susan Collins said, "Oh, here's what my her statement was. I'm told by Mark Wayne Mullen that the DHSG is going to look into this." It's like, "Oh, really? the people that have murdered four more but I mean like four people point blank in the past few months like the we're gonna trust that department to do an investigation of itself the murdering department is going to investigate itself and Susan Collins who's resident of her state got killed is just like I'm just going to see what the murdering department says about the murder and we'll see how that goes even though they've already lied about every every other case I mean like it is totally like totally outrageous and people should be up in arms and I do agree with you that like the fact that they're immigrants and and the case of of Juan Guerrero not an illegal immigrant not that this matters you don't get to just I know in Fox I think it's okay they think just to kill illegal immigrants with impunity like if you come in illegally then it's like okay whatever you're a criminal so we can do whatever you want to you that's

>> yeah you have a death mark on you sure

>> yeah you just get the death mark but like in this case it wasn't even the case and like the guy had a work permit

>> so it's illegal and he was no different than the people working on Donald Trump's golf courses. And uh he's a three-year-old in the blue in in in bluey pajamas sitting there watching him get murdered and the whole thing is [ __ ] sickening. And and this whole like, oh, we're going to stop doing car arrests. And it's just the same thing that happened in Minnesota, right? It's like, oh, okay, well, we're going to stop doing Minneapolis patrolling now because people aren't us, so we're just going to go out and patrol rural parts of the state. And here's what here's what happened. So there's my first ramp. I've got more.

>> Can I just stipulate for the sake of brevity that I share completely not only the substance of Tim's rant, but also the rage with which he shared it. Okay, I have I share the same. Now, I have to tell you my bad news. I didn't want to go first because uh and I'm going to get I don't want to get blamed for this, but I had a focus group last night. Swing voters, swing states. We asked about uh these shootings. They didn't know they'd happened. Hadn't heard anything about them. Just didn't even know. And I think that this is indicative of um two things. One point you've already made about the fact that um these are not American citizens in the way that Alex Party and Renee Good were where people can sort of put themselves like, "Hey, I could have been out in those streets and cops are just shooting me." Right? instead it's something they feel like they identify with us because they as soon as you hear illegal alien or whatever it is that they're using you say like okay well then they were doing something wrong right so that's what the other difference is it wasn't caught on tape the way that the other two were um and I think when things are caught on tape and people are able to sort of do their own roar shock investigation of what am I seeing here right like we're now you're being told we're being told that the car was driving away or whatever is completely different. That is life of the mind stuff than oh I'm seeing it right now and I have to evaluate it by what's in front of me. Um at multiple angles which is what happened with Renee Good and Alex Prey. Um and I think both of those things are just contributing to a and and and whether it's the Iran war plan hearings whatever it being summer um we do not have an engaged populace in this like people are not paying attention the same way.

>> A couple things. one I take your point that like we don't have video of you know like the part of the Rene good thing was like there's a lot of discourse about

>> you know I I honestly even in some ways it drew attention to it that the Republicans the administration was arguing that she was trying to kill hit the guy

>> right because then there's this controversy

>> well that's what it did it through the lie right there was their statement which we could then see with our own eyes was a lie in a way that is not happening in this instance

>> the other thing I would say about this and this is just a broader point taking back that like the Wright Wright Thompson interview I did earlier this year which was one of my favorites where he's talking about his mom and how she's posting on Facebook all the time and he's like mom why are you posting on Facebook so much this isn't helping you're you live in Mississippi people are going to hate you and she was like right uh I lived through this once and I didn't say anything I'm not going to do it again I just I thought that was really it's a short story version of the story I thought it was very powerful and it's like this isn't something that I've changed my view on because like during kind of the peak of peak woke like around COVID, Black Lives Matter, there was kind of a lot of performative posting happening, you know, in ways that you kind of would make you roll your eyes at some point, like everybody's putting a black square up on their Instagram feed and you're like, "Okay, um, what what is being done with by this?" But that is better than the alternative of nothing, you know, and I and I do think that um it is something that when I was I guess it was the Houston I guess it was the Loren there's so many ice shootings this week it's hard to remember which one but the Lorenzo shooting I guess it was I asked like the podcast email I was like can we clip Bill and I talking about that and put it on social media because I want people to be able to share that you know and I and I do think that that's like an important thing that people can do Now, like I think it does matter, right? Like it matters. Like they they pulled out of Minnesota because of the reaction. There's obviously not going to be the same level of reaction in Bifford, Maine, as there was in a major metropolis like Minneapolis as far as people in the streets are concerned. But they're already at least saying that they're going to change some policies and what we know what they're really going to do, which is like let things die down and then go back to business as usual. But like it's it is actually important. It is meaningful. This is one area where it's meaningful, I do think, for people to like post on like make sure your friends have seen this because I do think a lot of people probably haven't.

>> They haven't. And and it was uh it was reminiscent of the time that like an early lesson for me in doing focus groups was when Trump was on the stage with Vladimir Putin and cited against America's intelligence community and I was in Columbus, Ohio and I asked people about it and they just gave me these blank stairs because I was like oh wait the thing that people were literally freaking out about like you know 80 years of American foreign policy had just evaporated and people in Washington were up in arms about it. Donald Trump was being forced to walk back his statement um just to keep whatever. But like nobody in Columbus, Ohio knew or cared. And I've always liked quotations cuz they're nice and succinct and they like wrap things up. And one of them is the opposite of love uh is not hate, it is indifference. Uh which is uh Ellie Weisel uh who wrote Man Search for Meaning, which is one of my all-time favorite books about the Holocaust. and like that emotion of indifference and it's not even that like that's what we're dealing with and so like you have to sort of help shock the conscience of Americans. I'm a little afraid to ask, Sarah, when when you talked about this with the focus group people.

>> Yeah.

>> Did they care? Like once you explain what was happening,

>> again, this is why I think the video makes such a big difference. I know. I'm like scared.

>> I don't like that breath.

>> I know. I'm scared to tell you guys. So, again, these are swing voters. Um, I suspect if it was a Democratic group, that would have been different. I suspect if it was a full MAGA group, it would have been different. These voters tend to do a lot of like these people have hard jobs. I don't really know the situation. They are people who like don't like the excesses of either side, right? They they are upset to see gardeners and people who've been here, somebody mentioned gardeners in the group, which is why I'm saying it, but like people who've been here for a long time, they don't want those people deported. They do very badly want the border closed and they want criminals deported. And so they sort of wrestle in this gray area.

>> Do they understand that the criminals to be deported have all been deported and that everybody who's getting deported now is basically a gardener or

>> actually they don't they don't

>> like there are quotas of 2,000 people a day.

>> Yeah.

>> Do they understand that?

>> I mean it's hard to find that out. You have to like

>> spend 30 seconds on the internet reading the

>> I mean it's it's almost impossible to learn. The other thing is and this is an American thing that is worth I just think important to have conversation about and it's a little bit like also related to kind of that like why I was so pissed about the CPS thing with Pete and I I I do think like this is where my libertarian part comes in is just like cops really shouldn't be killing people ever like like almost ever like I I mean sometimes right you get a gun drawn on you again like people think about the movies they think about the TV show cops but like in like in there are countries I I remember think about this during the I was debating somebody during after the George Floyd killing and they're like you know this stuff happens d and I this is co so you had nothing to do I remember frantically like going through various statistics websites and being like did you know that in Japan police have killed one person this decade or something like that and I you know I'm just pulling But it's like in in other developed countries, this just doesn't happen that much. In our country, because of the Second Amendment, like there are, you know, the job is a little more dangerous than it is in Japan and there are going to be instances that are close calls where you're worried somebody's going to pull a gun on you, etc. where things happen. But like in general, police really shouldn't shoot at people running away, you know? And and I and I understand that this is hard jobs. People should talk about like that, but I think that that is an important maybe element of this to bring into the discourse for people which is like we should have a different expectation I believe for what the state is doing.

>> But this also goes to the fact that these are ICE agents and not cops too, right? These are these are halfway trained guys who often have their faces covered and we're told we'll give you a big bonus and fill the hole in your soul that says to be a big man I've got to have a badge and a gun and be beating up on somebody in a weaker position than myself and like fills them with that level of propaganda and then turns them loose in the streets. This isn't actually cops even like

>> or fully trained in some of these cases they've been fully trained people but who are used to dealing with cartels on the border,

>> right? And it's like, right. And so I do I do think that is a different job. You know, you've been moved from the border now by Steven Miller to start menacing people in small hamlets near the Bush family compound on the coast of Maine.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's like, yeah, you know, the tactics are a little different. We don't know anything because the our administration are liars and they cover up. So, we don't actually know who these people are. But I they it could I think it could be either, right? It could be non-trained people that just joined or like you know people that had been in the [ __ ] for 15 years. That was one of the I forget one of the guys. I think it was the Freddy shooting. It was the latter.

>> Sarah, I don't I don't want to let you get get away without answering the question. Were Were the people concerned about the deaths, the voters and the focus groups or

>> they they didn't know like this is where they this is where when you tell

>> you filled in the blanks for them.

>> Yeah. But when you tell people people are very like I don't I don't know enough to really have an opinion and then they sort of wrestle with the broad contours of they don't want to see people hurt like they they they answer

>> like decent people who are illinformed. No,

>> I do want to push back and this is this is a difficult one for me because this is part of where there's Sarah who has personal rage uh about what's happening. Then there's me understanding the voters and being frustrated with elements of you saying, "Well, they could just go Google it." And you're like, "Okay, but they'd have to be what would prompt them to do that? What is what why why would an average person uh just be like, I'm suddenly interested in the how many people are being deported regularly?" Like, that's not a that's not a real expectation for a person. And the question is is how do you get Americans to care about the fact that these people are being shot? Well, the first thing is they have to know about it. And I was just saying in this case, they didn't even they didn't know about it. And when they answered, they answered like in kind of a normal way, which is we have an immigration problem. Um but also I don't want to see Carol. Remember our friend Carol from a year ago?

>> Yeah. Right. They don't want to see her deported. And so they live in this sort of gray area of like, well, we want America to be safe. We want our border to be closed. And also, we don't want to shoot or deport people who've been here for 35 years. Um, they're not monsters, but they are, this is why, this is why I said the thing about indifference is they're they're just sort of not sure. Uh, and they don't know about all the stuff that's going on. Like, let me just in defense of voters slightly,

>> right? Because I'm going to have a counter in a second. So to give a false defense

>> not not on immigration per se but on the information environment in general right now they are trying to is the straight of hormuz open or closed. Are we at war or are we not? Is Jeffrey Epstein the world's greatest pedophile? Is the person who is the architect of the cover up of what he did for the entire administration about to be the head of our uh the nation's top justice like agency? Uh, are gas prices going to go up or down because of the straight of horses? Are the Trump boys enriching themselves on crypto money in the billions? Um, like the amount of information to sort through here. Uh, and every single one of them, every single one of them is a five alarm fire for democracy and it is a lot to know about.

>> I take that point. I just would also say this is just a frustrating thing to me about the immigration thing generally and where I want more rage more widespread rage is people do have object permanence I people sense we can remember what's happened the rest of their life and we're now

>> I'm just like we have the o of us here have been 40 some odd years depending on the person on this earth and like before last year the federal government agents have not killed people in the streets. Like that hasn't happened, right? And there have been cop killings. There's the Rodney King. There have been things. But like federal immigration agents in masks roaming the streets murdering people is something that has started really recently. And so I would think that that would be a thing that people could notice and say, "Hey, this is a new thing. people are getting killed and like I don't want I I might want different immigration policy but I don't really want mass thugs roaming the streets murdering people and doing summary execution uh because in front of their children and like that's happening right now and so I just I would think that just as a general thing you don't have to know that much about the news to be like this wasn't happening before now it's happening it's bad [ __ ] this and [ __ ] these people that's kind of really all I ask

>> this is how get boxed into defending things that I think I'm not askend but but all I'm saying is what I just told you is they didn't know about it right so it's like you say I I think I think that part of what has happened is that the what happened in Minnesota remember we went to Minnesota all of us

>> what was the one thing that they wanted us to take back

>> do you remember

>> still happening

>> it was still happening that's right they were like they're forgetting about it right and and that was it like they were like once Jake Tapper sort of packs up and goes home. Um cuz we were kind of on the later end of it and and they sort of had already had the sort of big eyes on them and then seen them go away. And so they were so happy we were there in part because they were like people are still watching. Go tell them it's still happening because there is this sense of collective like we moved on. And I guess my defense is more like one of the things that we struggle with, we and then I think all Americans struggle with in the Trump era is the sheer volume of horrible things to sort through. And it's a lot. It's an enormous scale. When you say like this was happening before, it wasn't happening. That's true of so many things. And so the question is is what are the personal consequences to Americans and each of them? Like when have we seen Trump's approval ratings go down? Well, there's a couple places, right? the shooting of of Renee Good and Alex Prey was uh both a caught on video and b looked like it could have been a lot of them, right? And it's so that sparked a kind of outrage. The gas prices because of the war. The war wouldn't matter to people but for the gas prices. It wouldn't be the deaths. It wouldn't be like it wouldn't matter to people. That's a reality. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But

>> here's what I'm asking. Then I have an action item. We're ask to tell you not to forget about it. What we're going to put in here in post is a video of Guerrero getting pulled out of his car in front of his three-year-old [ __ ] daughter in blueie pajamas and his lifeless body is being dropped on the street and the two thugs that killed him when he was no threat to them are handcuffing his dead body on the street. So people can now watch that video. And now you can see the chalk outline of people saying this is blood on this on the street. You can just tell in this picture it just says little peaceful hamlet in coastal Maine. And so we will put this on Instagram and people can share it with their friends who are I don't know at Outer Banks or whatever. blissfully unaware that the government continues to kill people in the streets of random towns in America. So there's my action item for people.

>> Great. Now, a word from our sponsor.

>> Which one?

>> Making it hard for me.

>> Which lucky sponsor gets this slot?

>> This show is sponsored by Look, I'm going to make it up with enthusiasm. This show is sponsored by Laundry Sauce. When it comes to the scent of your laundry, it shouldn't smell like the same thing you use to disinfect your bathroom. Enter Laundry Sauce. The premium scented laundry pods that don't just clean your clothes, but leave them smelling amazing for days after washing. Guys, I love these things so much. This is hand to god true. I keep them secretly stashed away in our laundry rooms that nobody else can use them. And I only use them for my own clothes.

>> Oh my god. Can I tell you this, JBL? Can I give you just like the inverse of this? It's

>> terrible.

>> Which is that Tyler is very also pnicity about his laundry detergent and it needs to be I I don't know like that has to have some special ingredient or something. And so we had all these different flavors, the Italian bersamat. We had people over, we set them out and so like many of our friends then now have laundry sauce and are thrilled.

>> That's nice of you to spread the love. I keep it all for myself. Uh, if you need something sweet for the summertime, look no further than their brand new limited edition scent, Brazilian vanilla. I have not gotten my hands on that. I want to. The perfect fragrance for the sunniest season of the year. With notes of whipped vanilla, caramel, coconut, white florals, and grounding woods. Doing laundry will feel like a trip to the Copa Cabana Beach. Their Australian sandalwood is perfectly rugged, warm, and earthy. Much like Tim, it's versatile enough for any occasion, but evokes just enough mystery to deliver plenty of compliments. Of course, you have to leave the house in order to get those compliments, so I don't get those. You won't want to leave this scent once you try it on. And the best part is that you won't have to with laundry sauce. Laundry sauce also just made its target debut.

>> Very big news. Shop laundry sauce in select tar stores. Now 90% of customers now love Laundry Day because of Laundry Sauce. Turn your least favorite chore into a self-care ritual. And again, honestly, that's how I view it when I do my laundry with laundry sauce. For a limited time only, our listeners get 20% off your entire order when you use code the next level at laundrysauce.com. That's 20% off your order at laundrysauce.com with promo code the next level. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that me, JVL from the next level sent you. It's time to make laundry day the best day of the week. So, uh, we have a war back on and about it this week.

>> Iran.

>> So, uh, yesterday Donald Trump did something astonishing. He tweeted that the Hormuz Strait is open and will remain open with or without Iran. We are reinstating the Iranian blockade blah blah blah blah blah. The USA will be from this point forward known as the guardian of the hormoods straight. But as such and as a matter of fairness, we will be reimbursed at a rate of 20% on all cargo shipped. Oil shot up yesterday after Trump tweeted this out at 10:16 in the morning. But the rest of the world did not freak out. Um, which tells you everything you need to know about the rest of the world's appraisal of America and the American president.

>> Yeah, it seems like some of his business partners, the chic, the oil chic, uh, gave him a buzz. It seems like he got a buzz from a couple of them.

>> Well, the 20%'s already off. He's already pulled that off. He's already tacos.

>> So, that that happened this morning. Um, so 20 a little bit less than 25 hours after this, he was like, "Oh, nope. Never mind. We're not going to we don't need to do this 20% tariff anymore. Um what I kind of want to focus on here though is whether or not it matters that what Donald Trump did was threaten an act of war against the entire world. So let me explain the trade of war moves is what I I did a deep dive into maritime law today

>> law of the sea treaty

>> just like every American could if they were just if they would just take the time to do it.

>> Yeah. I mean, it didn't take me but three hours. Like, it's not It isn't like getting a PhD, you know? Like, it is, you know, and in fact, you whatever. Anyway, you're just trying to wind me up.

>> I am. You're 116th of an expert in maritime law. So, let's go.

>> I'm like I'm like uh like Michael Bluth in in, you know, the law of the sea. So the straight of Hormuz is an international waterway which has been governed by the last 80 years by international law and has been designated

>> government before that

>> treaty uh there was no government before that was it was disputed. So this is again there's a UN treaty on maritime codes and uh the straight of Hormuz is is what is called it has transit passage which means that uh all cargo and military ships may pass innocently through this is like the the legal terms of art they use in maritime law and interestingly enough Iran has never agreed to this. Iran has objected to this and claimed that the strait was its own its own property uh and that it should have administrative rights over it and they were basically just over overruled by the weight of signitories to international law who just said no this is this is not how we do business. Donald Trump yesterday unilaterally without even an act of Congress he declared that that regime was over. He said that the strait was no longer governed by international law and that the United was now a part of the United States and that he would exercise authority over the straight meaning over any country attempting to transit the strait from thousands of miles away in Washington. And when you say a toll, a toll, my libertarian friends, what is taxation?

>> Theft.

>> Theft, right? What what are the state laws are all enforced at the point of a gun, right? This is this is the the libertarian. That's what this is. This is Donald Trump threatening violence and war. It's any country that doesn't pay his toll, which is tantamount to a blockade. A blockade is again by by all the legal definitions uh from the Supreme Court to international law to the UN charter uh is an act of war. And so the president of the United States just says this. He jett jettisonens 80 years of of law on this and threatens war against the entire rest of the world and nobody [ __ ] cares because everybody knows he's insane. How are we supposed to live like this?

>> Well, I think a lot of people are just trying to wait him out. Yeah. People just basically aren't taking him seriously. Like, and why aren't they taking him seriously? cuz he's already it it's sort of like where Trump bleeded at one point like birthright citizenship is over and everybody's like sure but that's in the constitution so probably this isn't real um and it's like he does he does this right and so yeah when you say how are we supposed to live like this um I I guess everybody just wants to wait him out but at every every one of these things that he Because what it does is it reinforces the idea that just straight nihilism. It's all straight. It's all it's all a power play. It's all what we say it is. Although just as a practical matter, he's wrong. The Iranians then also tweeted because this is the world we live in now. And they were like, "No, we own it and we're gonna charge

>> $2 million." Like we're gonna give you the better bargain. You're like, "Okay, this is foreign policy now. Just a bunch of crazy lunatics tweeting about how much they're going to charge people to go through international waters." And then everybody gets on the phone and calls the relevant parties and is like, "You need to back this off and here's why." And before you know it, Trump's like, "Well, we're not going to charge 20%. We're just going to make great deals with other countries in the Middle East." And you're like, "I don't know. Maybe we will, maybe we won't." What is truth?

>> Truth.

>> I don't know. I I just I just popped in here just to really quick do a quick check of my 401k. Great day today. Things are doing well. Charts going up. So, I don't know. I think that people are going to live like this. Like they're just going to keep on existing. All right. Let me ask a different question. Was every president before Trump a loser and a sucker to conduct foreign policy as if it was something serious? Like why why not just do it this way?

>> I can feel that one.

>> I can feel that one because he's getting humiliated. This is I mean he's achieving nothing. I He achieved nothing. In some ways it's kind of nice actually because like maybe it will this is this could be the most absurd silver lining that's ever come out of my mouth, but like maybe there'll be a regained appreciation for you know taking things seriously. How about that, JBL? How about that possibility? People start turning to expertise again. Um, no. I I think that's probably unlikely, but like it is he isn't accomplishing anything. I I mean, I think that your question, that rhetorical question, the classic kind of JVL maximalist troublemaking rhetorical question would have been a really fair one after the Venezuela op because he did kind of just get away with that. and um and that was you know the type of foreign policy that people did engage in in kind of the pre you know the 19th century um etc. But uh and prior but um that like this is not working at all like this is a disaster and this is just humiliating and he's being mocked on the world stage. America looks weak. We we're losing influence. Um I like what is what is he gaining out of this? I he just wishes it didn't happen, right? If he could wave a magic round,

>> he would go back and be like this I shouldn't invade Greenland instead. Like like you know if you had a time machine I think

>> I can do I'm going to do dark Sarah. Um and because I think Tim Tim characterized I think where I often normally am there's an LOL matters element to all of this. my sis. When I say wait it out, people are like, "This can't really be how things are going to get done. So, we're going to volley around a bunch and hope nobody goes to like real war." Um, but hey, we don't know whether we're at the beginning of a story, a middle of a story, an end of a story. We could be at the beginning of a story about how World War II starts. And it starts with Donald Trump bumbling into this war, trying to negotiate with literal terrorists. him behaving like a terrorist himself, uh, and saying, "I'm going to annihilate your civilization. Oh, no, I'm going to give you a bunch of money to go buy our crops with. Uh, oh, I'm going to unfreeze your assets. Oh, I'm taking off our sanctions. Oh, the sanctions are back on. Hey, we're back on war. Who owns the straight of Hormuz?" And like, you know, all of these other countries in the Middle East and Pakistan, everybody else are trying to keep everything even ke like there's a whole bunch of world leaders in these negotiations trying to deal with the fact that like they don't want everything to blow up. Plus, you've got the Israel of it all. And so, uh, I'm not sure a lot of people are seeing the forest for the trees here, and we have no idea where this is going. We could look back and think we were all lol nothing mattered ourselves into something horrible.

>> Is this the global version of the first term in which all the adults in the room saved Trump from his worst instincts? and like where the the rest of the world is going to save Trump from getting the worst outcomes here because everybody else is going to figure out ways to protect the man baby so that we don't get World War II or something.

>> Maybe I mean I'm

>> sure I'm into that be honest.

>> Part of that is happening for sure though I think part Trump's own fear is driving a lot of his cowardice here. Um, I I do think that if this were fiction and, you know, if this really were, you know, if we're all just part of a simulation, I do think it would tie the room together nicely for the Earth to end in nuclear annihilation because Donald Trump bumbled into the stupidest war imaginable like that that he didn't even want to do, that he had no point to do, but he decided he had to throw a temper tantrum to be really strong and that would pretty nicely encapsulate the Trump era. But I don't think that's happening. And look, what I see is happening is this is like the stupidest and and most malevolent version like Trump's posture towards Iran right now is kind of the a stupid and malevolent version of kind of how Obama had to deal with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Like like Obama did not want to be in those wars. Like he did but he also didn't want to be like responsible for another 911, right? So like he didn't want the terrorist groups to like gain power and so he's kind of like doing the minimum necessary

>> like to to to do like he didn't want to pull out and like have have disaster follow but he didn't want to escalate right and so he was kind of like trapped in this box in this situation. Now in that case it was like that's kind of defensible honestly there's like a prudence to that like he didn't want to get in those wars in the first place. So, it's very different. The context around that is very different than like Trump bumbling us into the stupidest war imaginable because BB wanted to and because he thought it was going to be easy because he's an idiot. Um, but like now that he's in it, like he's kind of doing what, right? It's like, okay, well, we'll just drone people from time to time and every time there's a little skirmish, we'll just do another run of bombings and then Trump's going to add on kind of like the malevolent rhetoric part on top of that, you know, which is like we'll kill your civilization, you know? I mean, it's it's sort of like the, you know, whatever Hector Mountain Dew Kamacho version of what what like Obama was doing, but like was underlying it like the motivations was like he doesn't want to escalate this. He like wants it to be over.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. Like and but he just he he also doesn't want to look like a wimp. And so I don't know to me like the biggest risk factor Sarah when you talk about is this the beginning or middle of the end of the story is like and where he's obviously different than Obama and and so compulsive and impuls impulsive rather excuse me. Um is like I don't know man. What if like some Iranian splinter cell or in or one person like does a terrorist attack on our homeland like in response to the bombing that we're doing of their country indiscriminately? Like that doesn't seem like a crazy threat,

>> Tim. How could that happen? Cash Patel runs America's counter counterterrorism apparatus.

>> One of those things happens and you know Trump, who the [ __ ] knows? Yeah, they could they could they could unleash uh us some kind of bacteria that gives all of America diarrhea until uh we're all so dehydrated we can't uh engage. I mean that that's the other like this is the thing is uh I don't know maybe we just all end up with dysentery uh trail this could go so many uh directions. Are we gonna do Todd? I so I I will just admit something up front. I have a rageful rant to do, but I preserved my strength and energy to because I knew Tim would bring it on immigration. I need to do it for Todd Blanch. So, tell me what next.

>> You know what? We're going to give our next sponsor a great transition from dysentery into their ad read. And after that, everybody can hear Sarah's righteous hate fire.

>> The next level is sponsored by Quint. I love Quinc's clothing, and I think you will, too. Their elevated essentials use premium materials like European linen, organic cotton, and washable silk, all without the traditional retail markup. I just bought two pairs of excellent linen pants. Two pairs for under $100. Uh they are coming today. I just got the notification in my email that they are on their way and I cannot wait for them to be here because it is too hot uh to not to be in denim all the time as much as I love my jeans. So, I have linen pants coming. But if you do want to still be in denim, they also have their soft and comfortable denim and their organic cotton sweaters, which are perfect for this coming fall when the evenings finally start cooling down. Everything at Quint is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. They work directly with Ethical Factories and cut out the middleman, so you're paying for exceptional quality, not brand markup. My producer just went and bought a closet full of Quinc's linen button-down shirts, and I kid you not, he has worn a different color every day of the week this summer. Quint also offers elevated essentials for your home, from bedding and bath to kitchen essentials and furniture, which my staff also go crazy for. Make your summer wardrobe feel easier. Go to quint.com/thenx level for free shipping on your order and 365day returns. Now available in Canada, 2. That is qui n.com/thexle for free shipping and 365day returns. quint.com/thexle. Sarah Todd Blanch is gonna gonna become one of a handful of men to ever serve as America's attorney general. The highest the highest position there really is in the American legal system. His hearing is tomorrow. Do you have any thoughts you'd like to share with the class? Guys, I was on Nicole yesterday and uh I started to like, you know, when you're on TV sometimes and you feel yourself like you're supposed to be on, you're talking like an analyst or just like a commentator, but I started to lose my ever loving mind as I got myself worked up about Todd Blanch because this is one of those things where in or over on Earth One, you go back 10 years, you go back to Trump's first term, the idea that you could make the attorney general of the United states somebody who had approved Donald Trump's slush fund his immunity from the IRS who had been his personal defense lawyer who gave Gizlane Maxwell the sweetheart deal where she gets puppies and yoga at Clubfed who literally went and on tape in the conversation Nicole Wallace played a clip that I had not heard that I think is why I started to lose my mind on TV where it is a tape of of cuz Blanch himself went to talk to Maxwell Well, okay. He went and talked to her in jail. He's the person doing this and he's she's saying to him, you know, many of your colleagues in the cabinet were friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Many of the people, you know, were friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Why would they be friends with Epstein if he was such a bad guy? And there's this incredibly long pause. I mean, like a 30 second pause where you literally, even while I was on TV, I thought, did something cut out or whatever? And then Todd Blanch says this is I can't remember what it is, but it's like a total nonsequitator. He just asks her something totally different. He basically just does not comment on the fact that she just said half the cabinet had relationships with this guy. He was fine. Like go ask them. Okay, this guy is sitting on top of a cover up of America's most notorious pedophile. He is the reason that despite Congress passing a law that says the Epstein files have to be released, we have not seen the ones that are still under a seal. There are millions of documents we still haven't seen. They are supposed to be released. He is keeping them from being released. He is also the one who was in the situation room. They had to go into the situation room to have a meeting which we know from the Haberman Swan book

where the vice president and uh Todd Lynch sat there to figure out how to do the PR crisis management around Epstein because the voters care about it. Trump's own voters care about it. And Vance said, I guess sort of to his credit, we should just get it all out there. And Blanch says, "No, what we should do is say we're going to have the we're going to release grand jury testimony because either they'll stop it, the judges, they'll stop us from releasing it, or alternatively, it'll come out and it'll be a big nothing burger." This is the guy that we are talking about putting at the top of our justice system. Okay? somebody who acts as Donald Trump's personal defense attorney, was in fact Donald Trump's personal defense attorney, continues to act that way and does not care for one second about the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Not for one second. And so the righteous indignation uh that that Tim and all of us, I think, feel on the immigration thing. I just want to get that out on this Epstein stuff, which is another issue, by the way, that we have allowed to lapse into the background in the face of the scale of so much other news. But it still remains the case that we have not gotten any clarity on this. And when Todd Blanch released the first Ranch of Files, by the way, he's the one who made all of their personal information, all the victims got revictimized because he released their their addresses, their family members, they all became targets. This guy is the living worst and has no business being the head of the Justice Department. And any Republican, I am I am not confident anymore that he will not like I I think Republicans will give Trump what he wants because um they are the cowards that we all know them to be now. But the idea that they would let this guy get this job that that Cornin uh or Tillis or Cassidy or Susan Collins or Dan Sullivan in Alaska that they would let this guy who has orchestrated the cover up for this pedophile and this president I I just it it is the most shameful thing I've ever if they let it happen and I think they Anyway,

>> question.

>> Yes.

>> Question.

>> Did you ask your swing voters about Todd Blanch?

>> Swing voters don't really know who Todd Blanch is.

>> Oh. Oh. If they knew, would they care?

>> Yes. So, wait, hold on. I have This is Here's the thing, JVL. No, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. This is a this I'm not saying this is a this is good because I actually think it's like I think there's something a little wrong with the fact that you actually can engage Americans on this particular issue and it's because it involves Jeffrey Epstein and a pedophile, right? Like I just I think that actually uh and I wrote a whole piece about this for the bull work about how Jeffrey Epstein, Todd Blanch does not come up by name, but Jeffrey Epstein comes up all the time. And I think that Democrats should in this hearing make it very clear to hang all of Jeffrey Epstein's stuff rightly. Not they don't it's not even a PR gimmick or a move. All Todd Blanch has to own all of this and they should make him and they should make it impossible for uh Cornin and Tillis and Cassidy and Collins and Sullivan to vote for this guy.

>> He also uh it's doing the sea shell investigation of Jim Comey.

>> I'd like to add to this like there's the silliness. I mean, there's there's things worth getting outraged about, but like it's preposterous what he's been doing. It's clownish like as as Donald Trump's bag man like randomly going after people under false pretenses. I I you know, I mean, this is the Todd Blanch and the recent Supreme Court ruling on kind of independent agencies. It's it's sort of like the postwatergate reforms are completely all gone,

>> right? Like I mean essentially, right? It's like that the whole point of what was happening after Watergate, the the way that we tried to change our government was to prevent somebody like Todd Blanch from becoming the attorney general of the United States. Like that was the whole point was that like we saw there was too much cooperation, coercion, whatever collusion between the White House and the Justice Department on political matters and it created this corruption and you know there had been these sort of corruptions before that but like it created this really stark example and there's outrage about it and people like we don't want to do that anymore and now to confirm Todd Blanch is to do what JD Vance said right which is to say that like actually want to it wasn't a big deal.

>> Yeah.

>> And like this is fine. This is the kind of country we want to live in where the attorney general is just the bag man for the president of the United States corrupt ends. And it is insane that all the people you'd mentioned. I'd like to mention one other senator that we'll have to vote to confirm um on top

>> Lindsey Graham's sister.

>> I don't know anything about Mrs. Graham, Ms. Graham's politics. Uh I don't know if anybody's asked her. Uh but yeah, I don't know. Who knows? I Lindsey Graham at one point in his life was a staunch supporter of immigration reform and you know was an advocate for immigrants. Um Lindsey Graham was a lawyer. You could imagine Lindsey Graham's sister not wanting the state to be doing executions of immigrants and not wanting a total hack to be running department.

>> I I don't I don't know. I People have sisters. Donald Trump had a liberal sister. Uh people have sisters that have different political views than them. The Rickettts family uh has a sister who donates to Democrats. All the brothers are MAGA hacks. So I'm not I mean clearly not since she's getting appointed. But I I also I I bring this up kind of because it's ridiculous and this is a little bit of a JVL bit. But it's also just like it's pretty strange that it doesn't feel like anybody even cares. I don't know. Like there's not even a presumption that I don't know maybe the replacement for Lindsey Graham might have might have concerns about Todd Blanch being the attorney general or about pre is like that they were like so you'll you'll vote for all these things.

>> You think they asked her about everything? You think they asked her about Todd Blanch in the prevet? They asked her about

>> I would say five things like so one of the first things she's going to have to face. So you don't think they asked her about the big national issue she's going to have to face tariffs. Does she have a position on tariffs? It's just preposterous. This whole thing I've been playing is preposterous. I guess

>> like why actually appoint her? Why not just appoint like a stuffed animal? Like why not just like why not just appoint like why not just take like a can of Coke and say that's the new senator from South Carolina and it's just going to sit on the yes button.

>> Doesn't it feel like this is the equivalent of what we're doing?

>> Yeah, it is. But but why but it feels like everyone's going along with the pretent in in the political class. I don't mean us. I just you know what I mean? It's just like political reporters like there's not even a just it's strange. There's just no pre there's no pretense that it's possible that a Republican senator might have different views than Donald Trump if they're appointed.

>> Yeah. Well, or just the idea that So, I I walked out of my office yesterday when the appointment happened and said to the team, I said, "This is insane." Like, what do you mean you're just going to make his sister the senator? Like, what kind of sentimental weirdness is this for a a Senate seat? Okay, it's craziness. And you know what they told me? They told me that this is a timehonored American tradition. I can't remember whether it was 44 or 444, but it's some very large number of times in which a wife has been appointed uh to the husband. And because Lindsey Graham did not have a wife, they did his sisters.

>> Can we talk about Lindsey Graham? We're talking about Lindsey Graham. We're talking about Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell. This is the part of the podcast where we have very open authentic conversations in which we don't self censor at all. And uh as Garrett Graph said, you should live your life.

>> It's the whole podcast, man.

>> So that when you when you die, people don't have to say everybody remember your manners. Do you guys have thoughts about Lindsey Graham and uh his passing and Mitch McConnell's proof of life photo?

>> I kind of shared my Lindsey Graham thoughts. Why don't I want to hear from you, JBL? What are your Lindsey Graham thoughts?

>> I want to hear from Sarah.

>> No, you go first. You go first. Don't be Come on.

>> I wrote 2,000 words about him yesterday.

>> You know, I think we just got a message from God that uh we aren't supposed to say our real thoughts about Lindsey Graham's death, but uh JVL's who the hell knows what's happening in New York City there with the Wi-Fi. But uh he's gone. We've done we've had a good show, long show. And if people want to hear your thoughts, Lindsey Graham, you and Bill talked on Sunday. Bill and I talked on Monday. JVL wrote 2,000 words yesterday. I I did a vibe check interview. You want to go watch me and Zach Stanford. I talked about it. That's enough. That's enough, Lindsay, for me. So I do Sarah like I want to just briefly close with like two Sarahish candidates. like two. I know that John John Oaf is coming for your heart,

>> but you know the OG Sarah loves Josh Shapiro and Pete

>> are both in the newsish this week and I have things to talk about and so I figured we'd we'd close by chatting about that.

>> You got to see Pete and how' you how'd you do with him? Could you like were you cool?

>> I was cool. Me and Pete are me and Pete it's so interesting. It's kind of like I'm trying to think about how to describe the relationship and the best example I can come up with is I was a model UN kid.

>> And so was I.

>> Yeah. But I was kind of the cool model UN kid, which is not very cool. It just means that like every once in a while I'd smoke a cigarette or something. You know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly. So it's like

>> I was always arguing for legalizing weed. Yeah. Uh model

>> UN. So, I had friends in high school that were like the Pete,

>> you know, where like they were the serious model UN kid that did all the work research and then I'd come in in the morning and they'd like brief me and I would do the funny bits and like we had a little thing and that's kind of like me and Pete like I, you know, we're not

>> we're very different but we I I feel like we easily slide into those roles and um man, I don't know. I just I appreciated that he was willing to do it and I was glad we were able to do it in person because we did like I don't actually know how long it was felt like 20 minutes maybe it was a little shorter than that on the CPS thing and it is just you could see him get mad and Pete is very even keel you know and I think that it was noteworthy how mad I he was not you know mad for a person that has wild that has our you know kind of emotional range of like you know he's even but like he was mad right And um you could see it and feel it. He cussed a couple times. He's not really a cusser. I think that it was interesting to kind of see him like really have to grapple with like do I have to do this, you know, and like or do I want to do this? And um anyway, I thought that was the most interesting part of the convo. I I also my other observation was out from outside the podcast from in the room is he's gotten really good on Sunday night and he's always been good like at the speech part on Sunday night we went to the cattle call kind of democratic dinner and I forget who I was saying this to but it was like it's kind of like at a music festival you know when I go to there and it's like you see somebody and they're like they're not quite ready for the main stage yet and you see the real act come on afterwards you're like oh yeah that's how it's supposed to go and Pete like really has it now and I think that he always was obviously good in Q&A settings or arguing settings, but sometimes in the speech setting it wasn't you he wasn't hitting the highs um back in 2020 and you can tell he's really gotten better and you know it was a little you know you could feel him stirring soul a little bit and um I don't know I I think he's a little kind of undervalued right now on that side of things.

>> I do too. I've been thinking a lot about what people mean when they say authenticity. You know, there's a lot of there's these buzzwords right now of the moment, affordability, authenticity. And um I I I think there's ways in which people sort of there's a similacrim of authenticity, which is kind of a Graham Platner, which is like, do you project a thing that I I I think somebody ought to project to be authentic, or like the Trump authenticity, which is like he's just been consistently an awful person the whole time. And then there's this like what I think of authenticity. I mean, is the person comfortable in their own skin? Like I actually think what voters want is not this thing or that thing, right? It's it's not that they want Trump or Graham Platin. It's they're saying like, are you a version of yourself that I can relate to? Does it feel real? Does it feel or does it feel like it's regular politician? Like someone wrote this speech for you and you're delivering it. And I think what's interesting about authenticity is that it is almost a skill, right? Like Pete has gotten his reps in to the point where now he is good at communicating the authentic things he believes. I also think that having kids, not that, but I think the fact that he's had kids, he's gone through some things like the stakes for Pete are a little bit different now. Like when you talk about him getting mad about that, it's sort of easy to be an even keeled analyst of everything. And I do think that getting some of the like I know what it's like to feel the threat that's coming from this administration on me personally and feeling the stakes of that in what you're doing so that you can connect with people at the level of real rage at what's happening to people. And I feel like that is something that Pete, you know, people will talk about him like growing a beard and like whatever, but that's not I do think what's happening is Pete is growing up. Pete is getting his reps in. Pete is understanding who he is in the context of politics. Like I feel this way about John Oaf. Like John Oaf uh isn't necessarily a great commuter in absolutely every context, right? Um he is though he's developed his own authentic voice in a specific way in that he writes his own speeches. He has a way that the cameras shoot him. He has a way of relating to people and so like authenticity is like you developing your own way of saying the thing that's deeply meaningful and true for you anyway and I think Pete is really coming into his own on that front.

>> I have no idea what was true in his 2020 campaign. So I maybe this was also true then but I can say like he is writing his stuff now and he's got free time. Um but uh you can tell he is and you can tell he's like tinkering with it and um

>> um yeah so I know he's doing that. So I you know we'll we'll see and I think that part of is people will try to make him into inauthentic by making the case that's like he's been practicing for this his whole life and he touched every box. He was top of the class and then he was whatever and then he was Mckenzie and then he was went to the war and I don't know you know the I always thought that like that never hit with me. I think it hits with people who have motivated reasons to hate him um both on the right and the left and like that's what he has to combat. But anyway, it was a fun conversation. I I liked it. I was able to do it in person. So I I hope I relistened to it. Um my Josh Shapiro thing I should get off my chest and we'll let people go is um do you see the Axio story about him?

>> I did. He wants a fighter but he's not a fighter. Yeah.

>> I was so annoyed about this because it's just like I you know sometimes do you ever see that meme going around of the stick figure like poking somebody and it's like do something you know and it's like it kind of felt like the reporters were just like poking him with a stick being like do something we want you to do. The the headline was Shapiro wants a Dem fight so far without leading it. Dun dun duh. And like the point of the argument is that like you know Shapiro sees himself more as the center left and and he has different views than what some of these DSA candidates have been winning in New York and Denver have. But every time, you know, a reporter in a gaggle like asks him to criticize one of those people. he usually, you know, pivot pivots back to what they're doing in Pennsylvania or he'll like point out an area of agreement or whatever and and they're like that shows a lack of leadership. And I'm just I was so annoyed about this. But before I rant, I was wondering what you you thought because sometimes you're known to pick a fight with with uh within, you know, the faction. So, uh, I was also annoyed in part because I despite the fact that I, um, I have my own view of the factional fight in the sense that I myself would consider myself to be center center left. Um, and I think that the far-left do a lot uh sometimes to alienate people in places like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. I do have some beef with this with the left in that I wish if they would fight with Donald Trump with half the energy with which they fight with me and Josh Shapiro and Madagasciius uh we'd have a really good coalition going like we could if we all focused on that. And and I think that to me is um I sometimes there's a real effort that I find frustrating to sort of stoke the flames of the factional fight that draws us into it. Like actually when you and I got in the argument, not to revisit it too much, but when we got in the argument about [ __ ] it was because uh Third Way had decided to sort of get into this thing and like in the had decided to to say, "Okay, we're way we're going to go after him specifically." This is the thing, right, is like that led you to say some things that then I disagreed with and we got into it and like before you know it, you and I actually don't like we do have that discussion, but like that's not an important discussion relative to the thing that we all agree on, which is that Donald Trump is destroying the country. And so I have to almost fight and I think we all should fight an instinct

>> that is draws you into the factional stuff. And I actually think that's what Josh Shapiro is doing when he's being asked these things. Josh Shapiro uh now obviously the way I want Josh Shapiro to answer this is sort of the way I just did which just to say I'm not going to fight people that I agree this was Ronald Reagan's old line that that is like anybody who I agree on 80% of the time uh isn't 20% my enemy, right? They're 80% my friend. And I think that's a good way to think about coalition building. Um, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be there to sort of police, you know, your side, condemn things when they're really bad, which is what I I do, right? I get drawn in. I'm like, well, if somebody says, you know, America deserved 911 or someone says violence things like I my things go off in my head to make me jump in. But it it does distract from the fact that Josh Shapiro's job right now is beating his Republican opponent like a drum, which he is about to do by like and so where Josh Shapiro is going to get his validity going into 2028 is not from picking a factional fight. It's from crushing a Republican effectively in the biggest swing state in the country. And here's the most important part about that and it bugged me at the story because it was it kind of made it feel like the reporters wanted him to fight and like they were disappointed he didn't fight and so or they were disappointed he didn't like pick a fight to give them fodder and so then they criticized him for like letting them down and it's just like

>> why are you a character in this story? I I like to my point if if the goal of this is to create political power either for yourself or for your faction or for the prodemocracy movement any way you look at it like the best thing Josh Shapiro can do is maximize the size of his victory against the Republican opponent in Pennsylvania right like that like winning a even if he won a Twitter battle against Darisa Shioalier like would would he win the war and that's kind of like Donald Trump in Iran like did we win the first three days of the Iran war. Like, yeah, we won the battle, but then he got mired into a stupid pointless war. Like, and it's like, why would Josh Shapiro want to get mired into a pointless war with a couple three random DSA house members? Like, it doesn't do him any good. It doesn't help him gain any power. Like, it'd be one thing if you said, "Okay, you need to do that because of the way the system is set up to gain power for yourself." But like, that's not the our system. Like, he's running against a Republican now. Maybe if he decides to run for president, he might be running against them. even maybe in that campaign like the right thing for him to do might be to try to get as many voters as he can within the Democratic party by not alienating people and you know eventually you end up on a debate stage and you get drawn into stuff but like I you know again like there is strategy at play here and I think that sometimes people feel like the best thing you can do to fight for your side is to fight whatever the other faction in your side and it's like not really actually and I guess I put up Mary before Moore there are a lot of things happening in that race but Did she gain anything from attacking the DSA in that primary? Doesn't seem like it. Uh it seems like things got worse for her after she started doing that. So, um this doesn't mean there aren't moments that are call that call for it. This doesn't mean there aren't red lines to get crossed where you have to weigh in and Shapiro has done it and so has many others, right? But it's like um I I just think that there is like a fundamental misunderstanding of like how you acrew like in our political system, you acrew power by gaining as many people as you possible on your side, right? And so if you were engaging in Twitter battles, alienating people who could conceivably be on your side, maybe they wouldn't be your maybe you wouldn't be their first choice, but but you they they could conceivably pref prefer you over others. Then like what what good is this? Like you know, it makes you feel good. I guess it makes a couple people call you who agree with you to say, "Hell yeah, nice tweet, nice Tik Tok video." And it's but it's like, okay, in service of what? So anyway, um I was annoyed by the article. I think Shapiro is doing absolutely the right thing and I think that you know we'll see how things go going forward. I don't have a crystal ball but like the best thing he can do for himself and for people who share his worldview is crush in November and it seems like he's on the path to doing that.

>> Yeah.

>> So there we go.

>> He's good at it.

>> He is good at it. Um all right, that's our long good show long show bonus segment with just Tim and Sarah. Um and I'm gone the next two weeks. I'm on vacation. And now, when was the next time we're going to have a full next level? I hope you guys enjoyed this episode cuz we're in vacation season now. But we're all going to be back together in August at some point, rested, ready, re-energized, ready to take on the fight against the bad guys, the real bad guys. And we'll be on tour together in the fall. That's going to be announced soon. So, we'll be on the road. So, people get plenty of next level love. But in the meantime, you might have to deal with, I don't know, Sam or somebody in my seat.

>> I got you on Monday. I got you on Monday.

>> All right. I appreciate you, Sarah. Everybody else, thanks for checking us out. Subscribe to the feed. We'll see you all soon.

>> Bye.