Epstein & UFOs: The Secret Science Honeypot (Ft. Jay Anderson & Kurt Metzger)

The Vatican, City of London, you know, Knights of Malta. Do you think any of these groups have disproportionate power today? Oh, yeah.

Like I would agree with Kuzov. President Trump is confronting a growing backlash from his own base. The fight is dividing MAGA supporters. Donald Trump keep promised them, so he needs to do it. Just this month, we learned a very hard truth that our government is not our government. It's controlled by deeper power structures involving systems of blackmail and compromise.

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. I'm of course talking about the notorious case of Jeffrey Epstein. His handler Gizlane Maxwell and their client list, the rich, powerful elite that he procured sexual favors for from unwilling underage women. And on the wall there was a big artwork of a a woman being by a walrus. Oh wow.

I'm also talking about Cash Patel, Dan Bonino, Pam Bondi, Trump, and his whole team campaigning on exposing Epstein's network and then turning around and gaslighting the American public, acting like Epstein was a lone actor who took his own life in jail. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable.

Just like you have the lone shooter theory with JFK claiming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, he obviously didn't. You have the lone sex trafficker theory with Jeffrey Epstein. Nobody believes the state line here. And this time, due to social media and podcasts, nobody believes anybody else believes this, and it's not going away.

I know for a fact documents are being suppressed, and they're being suppressed to protect individuals. Wired magazine, a fairly conventional tech publication, just revealed that the metadata from Jeffrey Epstein's prison cell video that was supposed to point to a suicide had been edited, likely using Adobe Premiere. And when it was originally released, a whole minute was missing.

Gizlane Maxwell is in jail right now for sex trafficking, but there are no perpetrators of the actual crime. Who were her clients? She sex traffked young women, too. You have all these women, these victims coming out, but you have no clients. That's a basic logical fallacy. Justice now is holding accountable the perpetrators that helped him and participated with him. That is unbelievable.

Finally, Team Trump is doing something really interesting. They aren't just engaging in the typical political food fight. They could say that the FBI under Biden just destroyed the evidence around Epstein because Trump telegraphed that they wanted transparency. But no, they are acting like Epstein was some lone sexual deviant who isn't part of some larger shadow network that actively has leverage over American leaders. They're gaslighting and telling you to look away. And quite honestly, they're acting like they themselves are compromised.

Is there a lesson for you, for anyone else looking looking at this? Well, he's dead, so uh you know, in general, you always have to be careful. Uh, anyways, like I said, everybody knows all this stuff. I don't have to tell it to you. What interests me and what we're going to cover on the show are the deeper threads around Jeffrey Epstein. What was he actually doing? He certainly was not a financeier in any standard sense. Really, that was a cover story. Yes. The thing with Epste was he was obsessed with eugenics and creating his own race. Like he would talk about his own shape people. Yeah. Yeah. Like guy, you know, right?

So, like maybe uh to figure out what the hell is going on here, I brought my buddy Jay Anderson on from Project Unity. He runs a great channel that's gone deep into UFOs, secret science, and ancient archaeology. Okay? Cuz if they were taking eggs, they've got underground laboratories, right? I'm taken there in September. I think they've taken my eggs. They clone a baby in 2002. No one ever hears about anything again.

Perhaps one of the lesserk known threads about Epstein was his obsession with secret science. more specifically his obsession with gravity and propulsion. He would fly physicists out to his island. Kip Thorren, Steven Hawking, Marie Gellman. He funded Lawrence Krauss on the order of $250,000. I desperately want to know why Jeffrey Epstein knew so much about my work. And I want to know why he was connected to my graduate program. How did you know he was connected? You can Google it.

But he was also obsessed with the Casemir effect, a scientific anomaly that might point to some form of zero point or vacuum energy, and if harnessed correctly, might unlock an entirely new mode of interstellar propulsion. On his little St. James Island, he built a temple with a cult symbology, and one of his victims claimed to see a UFO while on Zoro Ranch. I saw a UFO when I was there, you know, outside at New Mexico. I went to have a cigarette and I saw a weird like lights flying and then I had the weird thing waking up in the lab. It was like he was a front, a global honey trap for secret science, arbitrageing the lameness of modern academia and the sexual repression of its scientists.

Perhaps the weirdest throughine with Epstein when it relates to UFOs is the fact that former OSS officer Donald Bar was headmaster of the Dalton Preparatory School around the time that Epstein got his job as a teacher there. Remember the OSS was the predecessor to the CIA. Donald Bar wrote a sci-fi book called Space Relations about a future where humans have formed an intergalactic empire ruled by aristocrats. Half the book is about this intergalactic elite class systematically trading underage sex slaves and often using them to gain leverage over other elites. Ring a bell?

Donald Bar's son is a guy named William Bar, the attorney general under Trump, who personally visited Epstein's jail cell after he died to interview his last known cellmate, Ephra Stone Reyes, who apparently expressed skepticism around Epstein's suicide. Reyes died conveniently from COVID shortly thereafter. This is the kind of stuff that gets you Epstein. Here you go. We discuss it all. a cult control system, secret societies, mind control, Epstein, secret science, and we even bring our special friend along, Kurt Mezer. The only guy who literally didn't work with the CIA is Steven Seagal.

Hey, why do Disney kids turn out how they do? Well, Disney, the Rosian that allowed the CIA to do stuff to him underneath Disneyland, and that's real. Insanity ensued. Maybe there is a subterranean species that has lived on this planet for a long time. Jay's expressed some frustration with UFO disclosure. He's also the only channel to interview a former director of the NSA and deputy director of the CIA on UFOs. But he's also more recently gotten into ancient archaeological secrets like acoustically resonant caves at Malta and skulls that look like gray aliens that they've found there. He's also as deep as anybody on the mysterious structure underneath the pyramids. Was there a golden age of aerospace before our history started? Without further ado, please enjoy this week's American Alchemists, Jay Anderson and Kurt Mezer.

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I'm here with Jay Anderson, Project Unity. Um I can't I've been so excited to do this for for years, man. Like it's just it's good to see you. It's good to see you in person, man. Yeah, absolutely. Um you've you've done some OG epic UFO based interviews. I want to cover more recently. You've done some amazing kind of uh uh alternative uh it's dumb that we have to call it our tour. It's just archaeological ancient civilization, you know, stuff. But for now, it's alternative. It will be the mainstream. It's getting there. It's getting there. Piece by piece, scan by scan. That's right. Um, so I really want to talk to you about what the [ __ ] is under the Egyptian pyramid? You tell me, right? Like none of us actually know, but it's looking interesting. Looks fascinating. I feel like you're as close as anyone to the research team doing it. You were just with them at the cosmic summit. So, uh, thanks for being here, man. I appreciate Bro, it's a real pleasure to be out in Texas for the first time. Like I said to yo, after this I want to try and find a place to shoot a few guns. Yeah. Yeah. There is another person here that will be will be revealed in time. They will be revealed. Special reveal. Special reveal. And I have a feeling this person knows where to shoot guns in Austin, Texas. Yeah. Maybe you can show them your place to your brother. But before we get started, I'm going to pull a Shawn Ryan here. Oh, okay. And give you a special gift. This is our alchemy. Hold it up to the camera shirt. Hey, there you go. That is sweet. Pretty cool, right? Let's have a look at that. I love it, bro. This will be me on my next podcast. I'll be wearing it, dude. A representing and respecting. Let's go. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Of course.

Um, so yeah, man. I want to start with the UFO stuff because I feel like you did some really important early work on this topic and people need to watch some of these interviews. You interviewed Oki Shannon who was a lead project manager at Los Alamos and but also was doing research with Hal Putoff in the sort of vigilante capacity. The working group kind of thing going on. Exactly. When you're with a guy like that cuz that was a great interview. Yeah. Um, when you're with him offline, do you get the sense that he knows more than he can say and that like are you are you is there a sense that like there is a reverse engineering program and he just can't talk about it and there's some sort of undetectable dark matter there or is there a sense that oh, you've kind of fallen prey to like the public narrative around UFOs and actually it's kind of this other stuff that we don't quite understand, you You know what I'm saying? Get the distinction. Oh, absolutely. Cuz like for me, especially kind of coming through this subject over the last few years, I will admit that a lot of it starts to feel like campfire stories. Just sometimes campfire stories with a TSSCI clearance attached to it. So, it's like, you know, yeah, that sounds amazing, but again, where's the evidence? Where's the actual like hard data for it? It's just a very interesting story from no doubt an interesting individual with an interesting background. Um, but you know, someone like Oak Shannon, I mean, he said to me a few things. He said that their working group in Los Alamos National Labs, it was kind of like an informal group cuz he was part of the um what was it the theoretical physics group in the Pentagon, the ATP? I forgot the actual name of it. Yeah. We should give the context for the audience. The advanced theoretical physics working group and it's with Oki Shannon and Halander. Yeah. Stubble. Yeah. All these guys who are kind of deep deep, you know, uh esoteric alternative physics, right? and but also kind of you know they they have real credentials. I mean I mean Army Insom Stubblebind John Alexander uh I don't know I guess maybe Army Inscom as well but maybe some DOE ties too you know a lot of like very intense kind of insidery types studying alternative proportion. Yeah. And I think that you know so you've got like this element where he was clearly involved in like maybe a formal but certainly an informal part of his work was to look at the UFO subject and he kind of looked at it as uh he said that they concluded that they're interdimensional objects coming down into a lower dimensional plane. He attributed it to the the book Flatland where he said you know the the idea of this spherical object coming down into a two-dimensional plane you're only going to see a cross-section a shadow of what it truly is. and he's of the opinion that that describes a lot of the UFO phenomenon. But again, like you know, it's like very interesting ideas, interesting stories, interesting claims, but I've yet to see any hardcore evidence either way for any of these things. And I think that's the issue that I've come to in the UFO subject specifically. And maybe that's what's promoted me to slightly transition out of it. Although I do think that ancient history has a lot of connections and correlations to the UFO field. Um, again, collecting these stories over time is really interesting, but I just want further validation of what's actually going on with this stuff. You know what I mean?

Man, it's it's uh it gives you brain damage. It's it's it's it's a huge headache. And there is it. Truthfully, it's a far cry. A saucer and a hanger and some ephemeral interdimensional object are two very different things. Absolutely. And I don't know if these things are being, you know, conflated or if there are the the thing is I was somewhat skeptical of the crash narrative actually. And then I just visited a crash site and what there I don't know if you know who Scott and Suzanne Ramsay are, but they're the deepest on the Aztec crash in 1948. Aztec crash. I thought that would be an interesting one to investigate, you know, as opposed to Roswell, which is obviously extremely popular and in the lore. And I came in expecting to be like, "This is the [ __ ] element of the UFO story." And honestly, dude, I came out being like, "I think there's stuff to the crash." What was it that piqu your interest the most? There were We went to the crash site and the I mean, this is all filmed. The trees were like spled out where a craft seemed to have been like drugg through the thing. Yeah. with and this this this couple Scott and Suzanne Ramsey have spent $600,000 like and they're the most salt of the earth like good people you'll ever meet like there's no like I think I did catch a Richard Dolan interview with them back in the day very close with so spending that much time with them then realizing that the the story like how this story came out was this guy Silus Newton they they claimed that he was part of some like doodlebug hoax or whatever but Silus Newton was worth $20 million at the time which just for inflation like it's like that guy doesn't need to hustle people on a doodlebug oil thing. He was very successful. No, absolutely not. Yeah. And then you have these FBI files on Silus Newton and Gabau going way back to the uh I think the 30s or something and they're they're totally redacted. So, I don't know. You know, I didn't come out being like I'm 100% sure, but it was it was it was eye opening for me because I was like, maybe there are these actual I mean, I struggle like I struggle with like the crashing of hyper advanced alien vehicles. Maybe the disengaging through some sort of exotic scalar wave weapon system that we have or something like that. But I'm I I tend to lean towards that these are prototypes of our own work that are crashing and you know like happening all over the world especially since it started kicking off like you said Roswell 1940s50s cold war exotic energy te towns and brown like all of these things happening you know cuz you've covered so much of that fantastic work on TS and Brown by the way I absolutely love that deep dive I figure it's a hedge right it's like you're if you're deep on the anti-gravity and then you're deep on the you know the UFO stuff like one of them has to be right the anti-gravity stuff would explain Right. Right. Right.

I think I think there's definitely been an incentive to create a smoke screen and a perception that anything that's operating in the skies that's going against what we understand to be like the kind of like standard aerospace and aeronautical abilities is an alien vehicle. And I think that's a very convenient smoke screen. And I do think that, you know, a lot of the stuff, a lot of the talking points in this kind of 2017 present day narrative from like, you know, New York Times all the way up to now is trying to create this incentivization that it's actually all alien. We can't explain all of this. We don't know what this is. We don't have this in our arsenal. We don't have this in our weapon systems. And I disagree with that entirely. I think they absolutely do have it. So, I think there's probably like I mean I'm convinced that there is some form of nonhuman intelligence interface whether that's dimensional and kind of bleeding in or maybe even terrestrial to this planet and hidden or actually a you know space visitor from another planet. I'm open to all of that, but I think that there is definitely a case to be argued for a massive smokec screen of classified exotic energy. Yeah, I agree with you fully. Uh uh one of the other probably the craziest interview ever done in UFO space not done by me Ross Colthart. You I don't know if you know what I'm about to say. I have a feeling Bobby Ray Inman who was uh highest level dude I've ever spoke to in my life anybody can ever speak to and they're like that guy ran the government. I have no idea why he agreed to do an interview. That was remarkable. So he was uh was he head of the NSA? He was head of NSA. He was head of the CIA. Yeah. CIA, DIA, um I think the Federal Reserve branch in Dallas or something. Um sic. He was the head of everything and like you know like the head hon if there is a legacy UFO program. That guy dude dude is like well yeah like one of my one of my guys who's like a veteran in the US Navy was like he's definitely like MJ12 like you know he's Yeah. has to if there is an MJ2 that guy's on it. That's right. And I love the interview. The whole thing's hilarious cuz like you're doing this like autobiographical thing for the first like 45 minutes him up, right? Yeah. Exactly. And then at the end you go, "So, uh, you know, about the aliens." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You go, "This UFO researcher Bob Oxler called you." Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean like I mean in in fairness, we absolutely smoothed it out afterwards, but he he he did feel a little bit like um he was brought in under false pretense. When I was doing some background research on you, I I came across a fascinating little segment from a documentary. It was a segment of an interview that you had in 1989 with a man called Bob Exler. Do you remember speaking to a man called Bob? Yes, I do. Yeah. and and during during this conversation, he asked you whether you believed that the recovered vehicles would ever be made available for technical research outside of the military circles. And and your response to this was 10 years ago, I would have said no, but whether time has evolved and then they're beginning to become more open on it, it's a possibility. So, um, obviously, correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems like you're suggesting here that you're aware of retrieved UFOs being studied by the military. No, the answer is no. I would not. were not absolutely were no retrieved UFOs. I have high confidence. Do do you uh anticipate that any of the recovered vehicles would ever be uh become available for uh technological research outside of the uh military circles? Again, I honestly don't know. Uh 10 years ago, the answer would have been no. Yes. Uh whether as time has evolved, they're beginning to become more open on it. there's a possibility. Uh, no.

I mean, like I told him that I wanted to talk about UFOs, but I mean again, the way that came about was another buddy of mine who was a US Navy veteran had an old number for him. And so we called that number and it went straight to voicemail. And so we left a voice message just saying, well, he left a voice message cuz it's easier for someone like that who's obviously got connection to him to speak on my behalf and just say, "Look, there's this guy who's really interested in talking to you." And uh, basically like a week went by and we had nothing. And then my buddy was like, "Hey, he's messaged back." And it turns out that this phone number we had for him was an old phone that was like locked in a drawer. He just decided to check it on a whim. He hadn't checked it in years. No way. Yeah, I know, right? And he saw this voice message and decided to respond. That's a that's a we that's a crazy synchronicity. That's why at that point I was like, "This man's going to say the truth. Like this feels like it's aligned. Like this is meant to be like this is crazy." So I was like, you know, he wanted he was the only guest who asked and it doesn't surprise me for a pre-approved list list of questions and talking points like what are we going to go through? So I was like, you know, obviously I need to mention the fact that I want to talk about UFOs, but I started off with obviously like, you know, like the his career background and geopolitics and national security of today and what he sees. And then, you know, at the bottom I was like, and I want to bring up the, you know, 2017 UAP discussion and everything like that. So, I did say that, but I don't think he was expecting me to know about Bob Xler and actually have receipts and be ready to kind of come at him with like, you know, challenges. And I have to say that, you know, with all due respect to the Admiral, you can see the body language shift quite profoundly when we move on to UFOs. You can see he's relaxed, he's talking, he's enjoying kind of reflecting on his career and everything, which is an incredible career. I mean, my god, this guy is just like, you know, up at the absolute apex. Mhm. But then once we get into UFOs, even when I'm just asking the question, man, he's, you know, he starts getting tight. He starts bringing his body in. And when I asked him that first question, he was just like, "No, no, no. Absolutely not. No UFOs. None at all. Like, no way." And then a few times during the interview, which I think must have been him misspeaking, but it was kind of strange where he kept saying, "Uh, I am extremely confident that there is no other life in our galaxy. I have a high level of confidence that within our galaxy there is no other living life. And I was like, you know, solar system would make sense, but he said galaxy like three times. How can you be confident? And also at the end of this, he said something along the lines of, I I don't think I've given you what you were looking for, but I hope you will listen very carefully to what I've said to you. M so I have listened back and I'm trying to figure out what it was that you likely putting in. But this whole thing where it was like there's no life in the galaxy. It's like we should we should send our audience off now to decode this interview and the message Jay if you find any sort of meta messages. Yeah, cuz I'm fascinated in what he was trying to say. I feel like he was trying to put something down that I haven't picked up yet. So yeah. Yeah. Who knows?

Well, that I mean that was wild. Yeah. So wild. So wild. But the Bob Oxer call is so just crazy and interesting because you have you hear Bobby Rinman say like yeah you know maybe at some point this will come out but not now like yeah and he's speaking so casually yeah and there's a few there's a few like news clips of exler going on the news and saying like yeah well someone said to him you know do you think that this could just be fraudulent and fake and he's like well Admiral Bobby Ray Inman convinced me that these were flying sauces from an alien species so I'm pretty okay with that and it's just like well damn like he's reiterating this over and over. A few people have said that it was maybe uh you know misqued from that documentary where you've got the recording, but here's Exler on the news a few different times reiterating that Admiral Limman made made him like absolutely confident and positive. So, and Oxler seemed markedly more reasonable than a lot of UFO researchers. Like he he himself was an aerospace. He was a NASA guy. He was he was a NASA specialist I think at some point in his life. And again, yeah, very calm, spoken, intellectual guy that was just being very matterof fact with it and just saying, "Well, no, I mean, from where I'm sitting, the admiral essentially has convinced me that these are recovered vehicles that we're working on." And, you know, and there's no way that you could be mistaken and it could have been an airplane helicopter, something of that nature. Well, Admiral Inman convinced me that uh these vehicles were uh not manufactured by human technology. So, that's pretty conclusive for me. That's it. That's it.

So, again, I think it's I think it's true. I wouldn't even go against the idea that there's been some archaeological finds from like, you know, the old world. I mean, I'm diving into prehistory right now and getting into that, seeing so many anomalies that are so advanced and so contradictory to our models. You think about things like the the Vmanas of ancient India and like, you know, these stories that you have flying chariots, it's like, okay, was there a golden age of aerospace before our history started? Is some of that under the ground? I think even Grush talked about recoveries, right? The Italians recovered something back in the days. Yeah. the magenta crash. I think Yeah, I think there's a case to be said for like archaeological finds as well. I think so too.

Well, it somehow it just feels somewhat arbitrary if UFO crashes only occurred 1947 and onwards because of nuclear only in New Mexico and only in New Mexico. That's feels like extremely anthropocent or egocentric and nationentric, right? Right. uh you know that yeah there's a whole field of forbidden archaeology which you're kind of diving into which this all this megalithic architecture and I'm I wonder if UFOs, aliens and crashes are a part of that. I don't know and I don't have any evidence but it it wouldn't make sense to me that there would be this stark dividing line where it just starts in the atomic age.

Well, it kind of gets back to like you know like how do you want to look at aliens from the ancient ancient perspective? If you look at theological texts like the book of Enoch, the watchers or the Anunnaki or the Nephilim, you know, the ones that came down and slept with the the women of men and made these like, you know, hybrid species, it's like, okay, a lot of different texts speak about this in variations, but there's kind of a similar theme of giant beings or some other type of being that came in interface with us. So, that's kind of like how you might look at it from the ancient perspective. And you see some of these megalithic stone building sites all over the world. It's like, okay, humans aren't capable, at least from our understanding of history and capabilities at that time, we couldn't do that. So where does that and especially, you know, not to get off on a tangent, but with the ancient megalithic sites like Stonehenge or other other parts of the world, it's not just the engineering, it's the alignment, it's astronomy, it's mathematics. Some of them are even acoustically tuned to produce strange effects from reverberation. So it's like it's a complex set of knowledge that is then globally represented all over the world. And that says to me that there was someone who really knew what they were talking about with a lot of different areas of of science and engineering and astronomy that was putting this together and then inspiring people to do it all over the world. So whether that's an interface with non-human intelligence or just a completely different variation of human intelligence that we've long forgotten, I don't know. But there's a profound mystery there. There's something else. There's clearly the primitive to progress narrative that we're being spoonfed by like Stephen Pinker and you know that's just that's obviously BS. That's like obviously wrong. Yeah. And you don't have to necessarily you know wholesale agree with Eric von Danakin or something to say that like dude even just taking like one foot off of the conventional path you start going holy [ __ ] like this is not right. Well there's just no Yeah. There's just no way some of this stuff could have could have been built. And so I think we have to like not necessarily cross the tea or dot the eye artificially, but like there's there's something going on like absolutely like that narrative is wrong. And it's kind of like, you know, it's like polar opposites of the argument like the mainstream who are very reductive and and in their little refined channel and then obviously on the polar opposite you got people who are like it was absolutely built by the Nephilim or we don't know. We don't know that. But it's definitely a mystery. Like it hasn't hasn't been addressed. It hasn't been satisfactory put to the side. And there's so much of that like whether it's history or you know the anomalies and UFOs like that's why I kind of feel like they're cotangent they are connected together you know there's a lot of influence in you know the wheels of Ezekiel and these incredible visions that people have had throughout time if they had it today that would be a UFO experience totally you know. Yeah exactly that would just be part of the modern a presence that's been here throughout time. Yeah I think so too.

Um another guy that you interviewed John Ramirez. Yeah he's an interesting cat. Super interesting guy. Former CIA Yeah. the GS15. GS15 and he's come out now and I think on your show as well saying that like he's sure we have hybrid programs, human alien hybrid programs. Yeah. And that's the word that uh Louis Alzando can't say that everyone's uh everyone in the Pentagon is expecting him to say someday is that we're all hybrids. Personally, I believe this is one of the core secrets. That's my personal opinion. When you hear him say that, are you like, you know, this is legit. This is CIA disinfo. What's your middle ground, man? Like grain of salt. Like, you know what I mean? Like, take everything with a grain of salt. I I I all respect to John Ramirez, and I'm not applying this to him, but something that I've definitely felt over the years of, you know, being thrown into interfacing with people in the intelligence community is they're really good at becoming your friend, right? When you've got an influential platform, you know what I mean? Really good at becoming your friend, and they're very likable, and they're easy to become friends with. But you know again it comes back to that thing of how much of this can be validated how much of this has been evidenced I'd say you know.1% of that right so like John Ramirez super interesting guy I think he's actually genuinely passionate about the subject and he's an experiencer, you know you find a lot of these people in in the agency like within the CIA you know it seems to be a hallmark of like these guys who have got quite high up in the ranks of that particular agency is they've got like some weird ideas and you know that's that's what they want right they want out of the box thinkers so of course you're going to get people in these agencies that believe in all of that. But but you expect that ter

I'm a big fan of this guy. So I'm so happy he's here. This is how I dress when I watch Jazz show at home. Oh, I love it, man. I can see that like a Templar. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That figures in. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was funny. I actually I when I met I met Eric Mondanakin and I asked you know on all these things he was like super like you know these crazy handwavy theories and then I asked him about the Templars and he goes there are secrets that I cannot talk about and I was like I was like really Eric Mandan like you know like a little word for how you have that antique shop was that Eric Menan has an antique shop you know what's interesting about um the Templars as well in respect to Egypt Just a little little bit of quick trivia. Yeah. Is that the the Great Pyramid of Giza, you know, it's eight-sided? The great the pyramid of Giza is eight-sided. Eight- sided. Very subtle. And it can be seen it can be seen from above. Uhhuh. But if you get an aerial of this at at a certain point in time, you can actually see that instead of four sides, it's got these like um indentations that create an eight-sided pyramid. Wa. The Templar flag is an eight-sided pyramid turned into a 2D shape. So, if you take the Templar flag and you create into a threedimensional object, you get the great pyramid of Giza. Wow. Oh yeah, there's a you've interviewed a guy who is the modern grandmaster with him. That's Timothy Hogan. Timothy Hogan. Yeah. Yeah. Plug in. Yeah. Went with Sir Timothy. I went I was I was brought into the King's Chamber by him personally. What's his real Templar? He's a real Templar. Yeah. He's got his receipts. Well, I got some Okay. Well, that's disturbing. But but but but don't you guys think if you were They're real Templars today. Yeah. They wouldn't like dress up like they like Kurt or be like Timothy Hogan. They would be like these like subtle Well, I mean like it's like it's like there's levels, right? Like gypto magnific. [Laughter] When are you doing your Halloween costume level? Zawi, did you watch? Of course. I watched a super cut. I couldn't do the three hours. They were arguing over a carpet. It was [ __ ] insane. Joe, that was probably the worst podcast he's ever done. Like the next guest, he was like, "That was the worst [ __ ] podcast I've ever done." And and Zahi goes at some point the he's bombing. Zah he's doing so badly and then halfway in he goes I'm doing a speech in Houston in Houston. Will you introduce me? He's like, "Fuck no." He's like, "Dude, I'm busy. I'm busy. I'm a busy guy." Yeah. No, dude. It was like you're buying electronics for 40 seconds. You know what's crazy about that is I guarantee you he still walked out of that studio going, "I did a great job. I did a great job. I've nipped that in the butt." Well, that's his job. His job is to go and do that. I won't lie. I'm like I'm like like 50% nervous about going through checks in Cairo when I head out there. If I don't come back, bro, I'm gone. Like someone's taken me. No, they'll just be like, "You can't come in." Yeah. Well, don't think if you're on a major platform and you said anything, I mean, I probably destroyed it for you. I'm sorry. That's okay. It's all right. I mean, he sounded they've accepted my plane ticket. I put my passport details in. I got green lit, so I should be all right. But we'll see how I work for the Whiz at when I was younger, you know, in my many astral travel. The Wiz. Nobody beats The Wiz, the electronic store. Oh, you worked for The Wiz. Yeah, I was a salesman. Oh, you know, that's how I developed my And felt like your manager there. No, felt I was in Bricktown, New Jersey, but in New York where those store, you know, you don't mess with the Zohan movie, they show it. Yeah. Yeah. They're like Sony Guts. Sony Guts. Okay. It's a very Middle Eastern uh bizarre way of dealing with things and that's how they are. You come, I show you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's apparently he's like kind of sketchy. Like he he sells on the black market like but he literally profits off it. I wouldn't be surprised. And you know what's interesting about Zahiwas is like back in like the 1990s, I want to say like 1992, he was uh giving a speech at a university in Cairo where he was like there are subterranean labyrinths underneath the plateau. So there are entrances from the Sphinx to the pyramids that tell us a lot more about who really built them. And then 2 years later he changed his tune and has never changed it back. Okay. So something happened. So right there was Zias. Also, did you know he was funded by the Ed Casey Foundation? I was about to ask if you knew that. Yeah, bro. What? What? So what's the sign? So you know Ed and he made all these predictions about the halls of Ameny and the lost records of Egypt. So the Edka Casey Foundation funded Zahawas. So like he started off on this esoteric kind of truth seeker style funding and idea and then I want to say about 1993 after that speech that he gave you think somebody like got I would not be surprised. Wait, hold that thought of Hawas. You can apply that to most of the people. Yeah, for real. That are like why are you 180 degrees from the thing you said before? Right. Right. Oh well here's the reason. They're compromised. You don't got Yeah. You don't It doesn't have to be blackmail. It could be. Well, how about I make you rich? Silver lead is the great Pablo, right? Plateau Opo, if someone's telling you real info, okay, and you're talking about it here. Um, listen, if you ever the remember Gary Webb, the guy that knew the CIA brought Coke into the hood. So, the old black guy conspiracy that people that I was dismissive of, they'd be putting co crack in the hood. That's exactly what they did. And you know how I know they did? Because the reporter that reported it shot himself twice in the head. Hey. Yeah. How tragic. Yeah, it happens, right? You You look so ridiculous. Listen, if you wanted to stigmatize all everybody, I want to make it clear. Listen, I'll make it clear. I'm not a journalist. I'm not in the space. But you kind of are. Well, Kurt has a crazy story. I We will get back to No, it's cool. You know some [ __ ] Like I said, I'm fully pumped to have Kurt here. Well, you know, Kurt doesn't doesn't remember part of his childhood because he was in the gifted and talented education program. Dude, it's just smart kid classes. It's fine. And now I know a lot of esoteric stuff. Oh, you were in the same Well, they teach you remote viewing and all that kind of stuff. I I have no idea. I don't remember a single part of it. My brother and sister in it. I asked my mom to like and now he's super deep. From what ages from what ages? I don't know. They don't. Your parents didn't tell you. My mom don't remember. If your parents, they go, "Hey, your son's got a high IQ and you're going to be gifted and talented. You think your parents give a [ __ ] shit?" They don't. They're like, "Whoa, everybody's conditioned for a pat on the head in this society. That's the occult prison that you live in." So you go, "Oh, I got a good I'm a expert, right? That's kindergarten. You know, the the Prussian school that we use for some reason." Yeah. The [ __ ] you think that is? Yeah, that's weird. Is that normal? That is weird, actually. Like, why do we have that? cuz at age five. We don't call it that in the UK, but it's Yeah. Oh, it came from So, we have a lot to thank the UK for here in this country. Certainly. Uh, and definitely you do. Uh, but our entire schooling system is designed to compartmentalize you right out of the gate. I mean, and I'm not telling you any esoteric secrets. It's written down openly. Absolutely. Because it was the Prussian miracle. So, they sent people from all How did you get such control over your citizens? Because this guy found out that 70% of the troops I always thought those old timey guns didn't really shoot straight. No, 70% of people don't pull the trigger. They miss on purpose. This is a problem. Right. Right. Right. How do we fix this? Oh, you're with mommy and daddy too long. I got to get you before that third brain wave you get that tells you what reality is. Six is too late. Me and Rogan talk about Joe went to went at age six. It's too late. You've already been imprinted with mommy and daddy. He did a gift as well. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about kindergarten. Oh, okay. Right. Right. Right. Okay. I'm talking about if you go look into how we got our school system, it's real. It's It's real weird. And uh the goal is to So, here's a uh 20 years ago, prek suddenly became a thing in New York. You Oh, you got to go to prek because outcomes are better for kids that go to prek. Wow. I didn't go to prek. My mom taught me to read at home and I went to kindergarten. Why is that so important? because it's not working. We got to get you away from mommy earlier so that the government can get it dick in your brain. Dynamic. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay.

So, here's some esoteric. Real esoteric. And I just discerned this like a regular manly pee hole. You got a right left brain. So, you watch these secular materialist scientists. Yeah. Your Mike Degrass Tyson's and what have you. Neil deGrasse Tyson. Neil Degrass. Whatever. Nerd. You just mashed up Mike Tyson. Well, that would be a sick combo. It would be a sick combo. [ __ ] physicist. I prefer Mike personally. I think he does more. It's called steganography. Shout out to DJ. Dark journalist. Yeah, dude. Yeah, because the octagon thing I got off of him and Joseph P. Frell. Mhm. Uh trying to get an interview of him. I love Joseph P. Farrell. Okay. So, that guy blew my blew my mind, dude. And I would Here's what's so funny about watching cuz you're hitting on a bunch of I seen your show. You guys hit on some good points. Thanks, brother. How old are you, though? 30. How old are you? 33. Okay. So, you're still at the age you figured out the scam yet. And by the time I'm 48, finally old enough to serve in Ukraine. And when you figure out the scam, here's how it works. [ __ ] you. You're 48, [ __ ] The 30-year-olds still believe there's new suckers for the thing. So, all believe in the whole thing. So now all this UFO [ __ ] what blew my mind was when I looked into it, it turns out a bunch of this stuff's been disclosed over and over and over like the wheel of Sam Sorium. Yeah. But what you don't realize, so then you're like, but then what's the deeper truth? Like cuz I like look I'll watch I watch Dark Journalist and like it's like ASMR for conspiracies that never resolve. He goes, "Do you know about this?" You know, that's you're in that same space.

Mystery school. Did you talk about J.J. Abrams' mystery box storytelling? Okay. You remember J.J. Abrams' mystery box method. He does a TED talk about it, right? Okay. Basically, the show *Lost*. Yeah. And Scientology are the same basic mystery box. Sure. You stick with it and get invested. Yeah. And when and you get a shitty ending. Well, that's another thing is the influence of Scientology in the UFO community because now there's a big presence of like CIA. Exactly. How big do you think it is? Scientology is the Yeah. How big do you think? Well, I mean, like, you know, they they infiltrated the CIA and a few different agencies so white. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Agency infiltration, multi-wisdom has been growing. It is truly Operation Snow White. So that was when they did that huge like infiltration of multiple agencies, including the IRS, CIA, with an incentive to try and, uh, promote psychic research and these types of ideas and prevent them from kind of stopping it. Tax-free status. Yeah. And it was you not know about this? I know about the fights with the government around the biggest infiltration of it. It was wild. But how, how like, um, prevalent was it? Did it work? And they got caught. They got caught. So I don't think it fully worked, but it worked for for a time, like, you know, they managed to create influence and obviously they're very powerful. But I think that there's like genuinely a thread of ufology that comes back to obviously Scientology. Go a bit further back, Helen Levatsky, theosophy, the esoteric school, and like, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these people in government, because when you actually get to know them or you find out more about them, you find out that beyond the, the, you know, the tight suit and the the bureaucracy, is an esoteric person that's into like the OTO or Golden Dawn or whatever, right? Yes. Brother, so like, you know, I think that what they're trying to do, at least my opinion, and actually the guy that you wanted to hear more about, my friend who was speaking, he'd be able to tell you a lot more. He believes, and I would agree, that there is an element of the government that's quite radical that truly believes in some of these old esoteric systems, and they're trying to essentially manifest the UFO reality into the world by creating a consensus of it, right? So they're creating this narrative, or creating this push, like like an egregore. Yeah. Like an egregore. Because it's just weird how you know, you tap into these guys who are like, you know, bureaucrats and national security, and then you find out that they've got like, you know, talking points from OTO and Golden Dawn, and they're drawing pentagrams, and they're showing you the alchemist triangle, and it's like Matthew Brown, who just came out through NAP, who's this guy, Ian mathematics, and [ __ ] like that, like, you know, you see that. Okay, so here's how I got into my esoteric knowledge. I I was, uh, so I I was watching the Charles Hall, Tall Whites documentary. I I just interviewed him. He's alive. Yeah, he's alive. I have a lot of questions for him, but he's a trip. A couple of the guys that were with me, who had seen them, thought that they were ancient Egyptians who had somehow or another gotten into Indian Springs Valley and trapped there and were still using their own hieroglyphics. Who thought that? Uh, a couple of the other rangemen. Yeah. So, here's if you never seen like a wind-up dog. It didn't make that was weird. Oh, I I think I have some theories. So Charles Hall, now when usually when you hear UFO stuff, it it's like some goofy like Star Trek [ __ ]. Right? And this guy, he made a real specific point that they're not here to save the whales. In fact, the Tall Whites told him they think it's unusual that we like ride horses and live like they said, on most of the civilized worlds, to him, the spec dominant species kills off anything that could be a threat to them. Wow. You ever hear anybody talk that way when they talk about our space brothers? I haven't. The way he described it, it sounded like we're Guam or something, right? Okay. Now, keep in mind, if you talk to him, he's got a real, uh, "shucks." But you you just picked up on something with it. That guy's got a nuclear physics degree, so don't be fooled by country dumb. Uh-huh. As soon as I'm watching, I'm like, so I'm laughing when I'm first watching, 'cause they're called Tall Whites. We're as strong as gorillas compared to them. That's a detail, right? If you touch one of them, they'll kill you. Very weak. Yeah. And I'm like, "Wait a minute. I've heard this before. You're telling me there's taller, whiter things that are that are doing the old British style. They show up and we're little ugly like beast-style monsters." I'll take. When he tells a story, it sounds like like we're a Raj from the colonies. Yeah. Right. Right. So, all I do is look for themes. Like, uh, Diana Pulka. I think she made this word up, "myth themes," but I like it. That's the Legos the stories are built out of, and they repeat. So I watch everything, man. I don't just watch like I'm on a news show. See, and I noticed with everybody that's follows this stuff, just the idea that you're wondering if you can the intel people are going to it. That's because you're compartmentalized. Right. Remember Eric Weinstein? I don't know if he was with you on that video, but on Rogan, he goes, "And don't tell me it's compartmentalization. Why would I tell you that?" Right. Right. Right. Do you understand the pyramid structure that we seem to be obsessed with? Well, the ultimate compartmentalization would also be these occult sort of, yeah, compartmentalizing a person. And like, there's a Terrence McKenna quote that I sent you that's like amazing. Right. And you've done some, absorb every lecture he's ever done. He like haunts my brain. He's incredible. And he says, you know, "A secret is not something that isn't told. It's something that cannot be told." Which is like, that's the ultimate, if you want a control system or something like that, that's the best way to create. Got from their journey to the to meet with the old man of the mountain, they got some [ __ ] that's. Let me let me throw out a goofball, a goofball hypothesis of mine, okay? That I got after Rogan told me intel people told him China was injecting their people, were their kids, with stuff to raise their IQ. That immediately, I know we did way worse than that automatically, 'cause China did it. Yeah. Okay. And so now we got one in 32 autistic kids. That's wild. The the rate. Oh, yeah. I wonder how that happened. Yeah, it's insane. Okay. You know, don't attribute to malice. What you attribute to incompetence. No, it's malice, my friend. And okay, let's look at what what are the features of autism? Okay. Uh, hyperfocus. Yeah. Hyperfocus. Weird about sex. In fact, you could program them, tell them what gender they are, and they'll say they'll believe it. Christian Chan, the inverted Christ. Is that if you ever heard of Chris Chan? There go our sponsors. Are you sponsored by, um, Sonic Jew comic books? I think we don't have to be sponsored by Monsanto to get them pulled for this episode. No, no, you don't understand. They made these. They love all the products. No matter how bad you [ __ ] up Star Wars, they're going to watch it and tears will form in their eyes that a new Star Wars came out. They buy those stupid vinyl bobblehead, whatever the [ __ ] people buy. They're the perfect consumer. The goal laid out when they invented kindergarten. Who hurt you, bro? Literally the entire system I'm in. It sounds like something real. I went to beef. Also, I was in gate. All right. Well, he was in. So, this is interesting. I don't remember nothing about. I'm not accusing him of nothing. You have Jake Barber coming out talking about gifted and talented education program. Well, yeah. He talks about it in also in the context of, you know, Skywatcher and these sort of psionic assets. You know, it seems like the *Stranger Things* kind of narrative might be more real than than we realize. Called Nalk originally, and there is a girl that was 11. Did you know that? No. That's a real person. Yeah. You know, a lot of this stuff. So, I sent you the link. They You sent me You sent me too many links to go through. I cannot. Well, they've already got you because you look, here's what I when you said ASMR. This is why so Nathan Reynolds is who referred me to Dark Journalist. And what I love about it is I don't care about your production and all that other [ __ ]. I already feel that's a layer of a cult between me and what I want to know. So, and and Dan's productions are low. He's holding up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes me trust him more. You trust people. Good production. That makes total sense. But I just I want him to map it out a little more clearly. Sometimes I'm like, there's not, I don't know if there's there will. I'll listen to the whole thing and I'll be like, what happened? I don't really like. I'm with you guys on all the interesting esoter. And look, all you got to do. Yeah, that's right. That's the [ __ ] mystery box, bro. You're just saying it now. Okay. No, here's why. You can lie to me if you want. I don't care if you're an intel guy. I don't have nothing to hide and I don't give a [ __ ]. So to go ahead and lie and whatever. I'm going to get data off you either way, right? 'Cause I'm going to figure out why you're lying to me. Well, it's built in the lie. Well, that's why that's why the move in this space is like talk to everybody because they think you. No, it isn't. It's not. They want certain people and I want to talk to people you can't talk to and who would you talk to if you? Okay. My friend Emma has a show called Imagination Podcast that was on YouTube about MK Monarch, which link I sent you has been acknowledged. I didn't know that. I'm obsessed with that. Tell the audience what MK. That's one of the successors to Ultra. Right. Right. Right. Oh. Oh, your your King Charles has that little butter. Yeah. Little butterfly. He's in a His portrait. That portrait is one of the [ __ ] scariest looking things I've ever seen. It's just like crimson blood. Like the whole thing is just burger. It's freaky, dude. And Hill Monarch Butterfly. Him and Lord Mountbatten and, uh, Jimmy Savile used to all hang out together and they all had special black berets made. Now, that's not in the military there. That's a special unit of just the three amigos. Jimmy Savile was so influential in the UK that he was spending his Christmases at checkers where the prime minister would spend it, and he would go in and out of this. Jimmy Savile, he was a BBC presenter, very famous, and he is the most prolific sex offender and child sex offender in in the UK history. You know, his victim. He he was never caught during his time. He it all came out after he died. He had written. Do you know had written on his gravestone? You know that? Well, on his gravestone it was, "It was fun while it lasted." Oh, yeah. Now, but did you notice what Jimmy Savile and now at the time when I saw this story, I didn't realize that that he was like a wizard, right? But then I his charity because he did. They didn't know. It's like, dude, he had a spare key to a child's hospital. He would like live there. It's insane. Like hospital. Yeah. He had a spare key and he would live on the walls of a. Is it true? This is true. He was a demon. An absolute demon. Like good friend of King. If any of them exist, this [ __ ] is a demon. And he was good friends with him. He would punish the. He could waltz into Buckingham Palace like he owned the place, man. And then you fast forward, and you've got Epstein and Andrew. It's like patterns. And isn't there like a photo of Kevin Spacey at Buckingham Palace? And then Ralph Fiennes did the Queen's painting. What What do you What this is insane. What do you guys think of this? Cash Patel going on Joe's show being like, "If I would have, I've heard your opinion, killed himself." Epstein killed himself. And then they have Dan Bongino next to him on coming in in his sportswear and telling us, first of all, number one, athleisure. I want to make this clear because this is how a cult [ __ ] projecting yourself magic works. First, you reframe the argument wrong. I don't care if Epstein. We're not looking for justice for Epstein. Right. Right. Okay. So, first, they keep it on that to trick you, right? Now, we're not even talking about why are all the people that went there still in power? Exactly. Hey, Trump's in now, right? Hey, I remember QAnon. Where's all the arrests? Where's all the whatevers? Then I'll watch UFO [ __ ] and they go, "Oh, yeah, they actually executed these people on the moon." Right. And then you go like the discrepancy with Pam Bondi saying there's thousands of pages. Like all this evidence saying this, and it's like, whoa, I forgot Iran. I forgot about that. What's going on here? Like, so yeah, there's a clear discrepancy there. And then it's like, it's just if you zoom out, it's so obvious that this was this compromat gathering technique in order blackmail operation in order to control things at the high. Who are they blackmailing? That's what we want to know. I don't care about the list. His client list is like it's Israel, but whatever. I wonder, I kind of wonder if like the Elon on Trump thing. I don't know. Like I want I believe Elon more than Trump because, uh, Elon's black guy. And his. Now I watch people say this. I can't believe how stupid this is. Oh, he must have been on ketamine and he rage-tweeted. Is that what ketamine does? The horse tranquilizer? No, you you have to believe that Elon believes that Trump was on the Epstein list for sure. It was interesting. He said files and Trump is. We know that already. Elon gave us no new information. M he g he threw out a shot, but he didn't reveal anything. Trump is in it. Everyone who's in charge is in that thing. Doesn't mean they did it. Exactly. Because you know Epstein was like such a powerhouse in the financial sector that, you know, it's going to just be a given that people will interact with him in that world without ever touching the sides of what he was doing in the background. You know what I mean? Like Tuesdays with Stories, Mark Norman, Joe List show. They probably won't appreciate me promoting it because they're going to it'll probably be bad. Lewis Black was on and blew the whole thing wide open. I've tweeted it. I repeat it all the time. Lewis Black went to Epstein's mansion in New York with Bobby Slayton, my buddy from doing the Nasty Show, right? I know that Bobby and Lewis Black are not doing a thing. He was an influential New York billionaire in the biggest house in New. That's crazy rich. Okay. So, yeah. All right. I've done gone all kinds of. I met all kinds of people from this. Lewis Black's story is so interesting. He walks in the door. There's a marker board where they go in, and there's all it looks like football plays or something. And Epstein goes, "Yeah, the defense minister of Israel was just here. We were just going over defensive ideas." And Lewis Black says in the video, "Look, it's on my Twitter. Look it up." He goes, he got so creeped out. He goes, "First of all, where the [ __ ] was that guy here? Why would he talk to you about it? Why are you telling me that?" Right. Right. Right. Right. Wasn't it documented that Ehud Barak and Epstein? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Bill Richardson. Bill Richardson, New Mexico governor. Oh, you talked to the New Zealand woman that I did. One of the victims, right? Yeah. Juliet Byron, I think her second name is. And what did she what did she have to say? Well, she she approached she got brought in as a as a young model, right? She was trying to start off her modeling career, and she got introduced to them and, you know, flown out to the island, and from there it was kind of like you can't go anywhere, and you you're now a prisoner. So she was very quickly brought into that, not as a child, but as a young young model. Right. And on the wall, there was a big artwork of a a woman being raped by a walrus. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'll share it with you if you want to, um, share it. The the scary thing is that it it's not really a painting. It looks more like a photograph. And the girl's lying on a glacier, and she's got like ECG things here, and she's being basically raped by a walrus. And, uh, she, alongside some of the other women, think that they were actually harvesting their eggs, you know, like Zoro Ranch where they were trying to. Yeah. Well, the thing with Epstein was he was obsessed with eugenics and creating his own race. Like he would talk about his own people. Yeah. Yeah. Like guy, you know, right? So like maybe, uh, maybe, uh, you know, maybe he was doing something along those lines with people like that. She certainly felt that way. Okay. 'Cause if they were taking eggs, they've got underground laboratories, right? So then 1996, they cloned Dolly the sheep. They cloned a sheep. 1997, Bill Clinton banned use of federal funds for human cloning. Apparently, in 2002, they cloned the first baby, Eve, in December. So I'm taken there in September. I think they've taken my eggs. They clone a baby in 2002. No one ever hears about anything again. It's all on *60 Minutes* or BBC, one of those things. They were all talking about when a human is going to be cloned. Suddenly it shut down. I mean, it's very. Someone like Epstein seems like he was very multifaceted. Like there's an element to him where it was like, almost like your primary objective is compromat, right? Is your primary objective is to is to do that. But then he's using his money and he's like, "I'm I'm going to create a race of my own people." It's like, this dude, why did he get crazy? I wonder if, 'cause there's this is really this is a full schizo right now. But like, so Charles Manson was probably an MK Ultra patient. Oh, yeah. I would. I think so. I would say definitely. So so definitely. Right. You have Shrek maintained him in prison to Tom O'Neill, *Chaos*, and you have, you know, Jolly West, who's like running this thing, had probably an office at the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic where, um, you know, Manson was always going, and then you have this kind of conversion of Manson from this kind of petty criminal to this sex god kind of cult leader, whatever. So there's tons of evidence there. Here's the trippiest thread of the Manson thing that connects with Epstein that's so weird. So Manson would carry around a book called *Stranger in a Strange Land* by Robert Heinlein. Did you read sci-fi bestseller? 1968. Great book. So So, uh, he would carry this around, but Manson was illiterate. So, and then he models his whole life off this book. He his son, he calls, uh, Michael Valentine, or whatever, who's like the one of the characters in the book. Jubal, Roger Smith is his, um, parole officer. Jubal is the protector in the book. He calls him Jubal. He tries to start a race war, which is what they're trying to do. Thing. Yeah. So, so, okay, but just [ __ ] listen for a second. So, so, so, so this is what's crazy. Donald Barr is the headmaster of Dalton. He gives Epstein his first job at Dalton School, which is in New York, this prep school or whatever. And his son is William Barr, who's the attorney general under Bush 41 and under Trump, who basically obfuscated [ __ ] justice to get Epstein, you know, out of trouble. So, Donald Barr writes a sci-fi novel called *Space Relations*. Okay. And this is really, it's about. New to me. This is new to me. This is so nuts. It's I read it. It's unreadable almost. It's almost unreadable. And it's about this like human traveling to like an extraterrestrial planet, and he is sold as a as a sex slave. Why is he going though? Do you remember why he's going? Why is he going again? To negotiate with the rulers of the galaxy. The rulers of the galaxy to end slavery. Oh, man. He just becomes a [ __ ] pet. Yes. And then he becomes a [ __ ]. But but how weird is that? Isn't that so strange? Exactly. Like the connection, maybe some thing going on. I think so. Well, you just said about *Stranger in a Strange Land* that I did not know. Mhm. Um, so that was his programming. Uh, one of his personalities was probably illiterate, but MK Monarch, which they have admitted is real in 2024. I didn't know that. It's very clever. NSA Archive. How is Monarch different than Ultra though? Oh, well, Monarch, the people now that you're like, why is Kanye so crazy? That's why it's the all your favorite dis. Hey, why do Disney kids turn out how they do? Well, Disney, the [ __ ] Rosarian that allowed the CIA to do stuff to him underneath Disneyland, and that's real. I don't know if you know about Rosarian. He was he was Opus Dei, but their victims are talking. He was in Opus Dei, like the like the early Freemason kind of like before you turn 18. They all come together. I would say, yo, the last thing I saw of Gary Wayne, by the way, I'm not religious at all. Also, isn't there like Club 33 or something? In Club 33? Why are we movies? Bavarian fairy tales. That's weird. Hey, Disney sucks now. Hey, it always sucks. Why are you pushing princess? Something that got me was Joe Rogan bringing up that scene in *Pinocchio*, you know, where it's like, we take them to the little island, and you know, this scene in *Pinocchio*, this classic scene, it's freaky, dude. It's like literally Epstein. You got these like, you know, villains sitting around the table at the tavern, and one of them, like the big banker, he's like, "I know how to make a real bit of money." And he starts whispering to them, and they're like, "Take them to Pleasure Island." And he's like, "Yeah." And he goes, "But but they're just little boys." And he goes, "Well, they don't come back as boys." And they all start laughing about it. And I takes them to Pleasure Island. Ah, Pleasure Island? But the law suppose they. No, no, there's no risk. They never come back as boys. [Music] [Laughter] [Music] Very symbolic of what would now really spoke to my subconscious and I want to be famous now. So you got a masculine feminine side of the brain, which as the Templars will tell you, they tried to preserve the divine feminine. Ashtar worship of the [ __ ] pagans. So, but, you know, Purple Lady, I saw when I did DMT the first time, but not like a woman, but I, you know, you've heard of the Purple Lady. I believe that's my right brain, feminine, divine side. You're the collective unconscious. That's the meat internet, dude. That's the original internet. All the tech freaks are gonna make an artificial version of every. So if you see a, we're gonna have brain Wi-Fi. That's how you know ESD exists. They're gonna copy all the real. They're not gonna tell you about them, but they're gonna copy them to get back to Atlantis times. And so all this artic Oh, could it be archaeological? Yeah. Oh, wait. Could this be the Nephilim from the B? Yeah. It's all of that [ __ ]. Don't you get the the joke? It's kind of like, you know, they compartmentalize the names into like different names, and you go, "Well, that's Bible [ __ ] or that's UFO." You don't know what anything is because they controlled it. Right. Right. And that's why they're called Freemasons. Even though they don't build nothing, they built the matrix. Tom Dong, when he was Tom Dong, when he was kind of doing the rounds early early days of the UFO subject, one of the things that he brought up, and I don't know how true it is. I tried to find some like validation of whether or not these statues really were outside SAIC headquarters, Science Applications International Corporation. I've been wondering about that. Those pyramids. Yeah. So you got like, do you know about this too? Yeah. These two statues, one sitting there as. It's cool, man. The ADHD in this room is real. Like I've got it as well. Yeah. Like everyone's trying to jump in. But no, um, like outside this, uh, tech center in. Do you remember where it was meant to be? Was it in San Francisco or like, you know, in LA by where I lived, and I wanted to go there? Right. So, like, it was meant to be the old SAIC headquarters. And Tom Dong, when he was, you know, back in like 2017, doing the rounds, he was like, "Oh, you guys, you know, there's this place outside the SAIC headquarters where they've got these two statues where you've got this, uh, Egyptian, uh, pharaoh sitting on a on a like temple seat holding a pyramid in his hand, and it says the past." And then on the other side, you've got a kind of futuristic looking female goddess type pharaoh holding a pyramid, and it says the future. I forgot past and the future said that. Yeah. Like the new Atlantis, the new era, the Golden Dawn, right? You know, wait, you saw the clips from the Bannon Epstein document? He has 14 hours of footage interviewing Epstein. Yeah. No, I use it for comedy on Kyle Dunnigan's channel for, uh, uh, I can't remember what we called. We had a news show. It was really funny. And it was the talk down, right? Hollywood celebrities tell you the news, and it's called the talk down. Okay. So we did like the "More You Know" parodies because my boy Jason Burmis, who from *Loose Change* back in the day, who was right. Oh, yeah. *Loose Change*. Yeah. He was right. I didn't think he was, but he was. Well, it's so funny, they're kind of admitting that the highest levels. There's like a N. Like people like, we need to look into the 9/11 file. Like Cash Patel and like Pulsey are saying that would have been, if you were to say this five years ago, you'd be called, you'd be laughed out of a room in the room you're in. Well, I mean, you'd probably be debanked. Maybe. The thing is, I feel like there's only so far they can go in investigations with 9/11 before they start blaming their greatest ally for it, right? So it's kind of like, it takes a village, guys. Yeah. Oh, of course, our best aircraft carrier was involved. Don't forget Pakistan. You're talking about Osama, right? Yeah. Yeah. So Seymour Hersh released probably what happened, and he's an impeccable journalist. Fantastic. Okay. I didn't hear of it in 2011. It came out, and there was so Oh, I think *Zero Dark Thirty* and [ __ ] Yeah, which is nonsense. Yeah, it's a propaganda. Propaganda. See, he was a guy that was, and I remember watching that guy Shrek from Delta Force talk about it on on things. He goes, "That guy went dialysis. He he crossed the mountains and got away." Well, first of all, he had to get away because how could we go to Iraq if they killed the guy that did 9/11? How can we go to Iraq then? Get it? Mhm. You ever see the Tony Clawsen speech? How do we get to war in Iran? That's a real speech. I think it's interesting that like obviously you got Rumsfeld talking about 2.3 trillion missing dollars from the Pentagon, and it cost about that much to do the Middle Eastern invasion. So it's like, is this a big money launch? A lot of cash flowing through this? Like, talked to Catherine Austin Fitz from Hood under George, uh, HW Bush. There's like 23 trillion dollars missing since 1997. Uh, and I know Joseph P. Frell, that smart that smart [ __ ], he keeps track of financial crimes around the world. Yeah. And he put together all these weird missing amounts of money with fake bearer bonds, but they're not, they're obvious like fakes. It doesn't make sense. This is the kind of stuff that gets you. This is the kind of stuff that gets you. Craziest thing about Epstein that I learned recently is that did you know that, um, Bill Gates's science advisor is the backup executive to Epstein's will? Doesn't shock me. Didn't know that. Didn't know that. But it doesn't shock me. How How crazy is that? And he was he said he found out and he goes, "I was shocked to find out that I was listed." Whoa. Where did he come from? For Bill Gates where he's like, "Well, he's dead now, so, you know, like nothing more to say about that." Who's his family? Oh, yeah. Well, he's dead. So is there a lesson for you for anyone else looking looking at this? Well, he's dead. So, uh, you know, in general, you always have to be careful. Uh, that's a threat. I took it up. Yeah. Like, shut the. Hey, [ __ ]. A lot of people could be dead. That's how I took it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that guy, he's the grandson, of course, of like one of Rockefeller's fixers, right? What is that? True. I thought he was a middle-class kid, and Steve Jobs was a hippie. He was the other nerd. His dad was military, I think. Right. Oh, you don't say. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. But then he was his grandfather was a fixer for the Rockefeller. And that's where he learned to buy the press because, as you know, Rockefeller, everybody hated that [ __ ] because he's a piece of [ __ ]. And then they had the idea to do PR. So that's Bernays, the the Edward Edward Bernays PR. What do you think PR is? The blackest of magic. Okay. They have big pharma, old occult [ __ ]. So the mind control part. Okay. That's old, dude. That goes to Egypt, right? You got your pharaohs who are inbred like those LA Bape dogs that are like, stop inbreeding them. Come on. Come on. Stop doing that. Right. A corrupt priest class. And I got some of this from Rudolph Steiner, if you know. He's very boring, but I like gossip. Very interesting. He is because he tells you backstage like how I would talk [ __ ] about a comic. He talks [ __ ] about a cultist. That's the juiciest, best part. Right. Right. Okay. And, uh, I found out all kinds of [ __ ] from just his gossip. The main [ __ ] is almost. I I get off track. No, I disagree with you. I think the main stuff's really interesting. Okay. All of these things are the same thing. Kabbalah. So, did you study Kabbalah? I can't say I. I wouldn't say I studied it. Familiar with it, but. Oh, well, it affects your life deeply because all these esoteric groups, uh, that fraternities, you were you were a frat in college. Didn't have frats in the UK. No, that's a purely American phenomenon that I've got American pie. Yeah. You've already got Oxford. Yeah, dude. I didn't go to Oxford, but you have it. That's where. So, but you know, I know everybody Israel, but guess what? We're even worse. And the UK is the one that got that [ __ ] going back in the day. Oh, yeah. Well, we've got old school esoteric belief systems going. That's right. And that's why there's no justice about Jimmy. People are mad about the grooming gang. Now, I used to write for Sasha Baron Cohen on *Who is America?* Okay. The pranks we did. That's cool. Yeah, it was [ __ ] awesome. I I love that [ __ ] dude. I I miss them guys. That was like a good. His his group's like a band. They're not like a. Right. So he does roundtables like the great Cecil Rhodes. Cecil Rhodes. Yeah. And so so they picked me to write to stay on. They don't. And I got on with them dudes immediately. Uh, Ann Hines and Dan W. Those dudes, I love them dudes, and I really like Zaja a lot too. But understand he's old money. He's co-an, which is like real old money. Went to Oxford. The reason I got along with them is because their sense of humor. They're like smart-ass smart kids. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. He's. This whole family is super smart. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm Jersey Shore trash, but I I can always. Gifted and talented. Well, I was in. I was. I'm gifted and talented. Do you know about the City of London within the City of London? Of course. Yeah. Do you know about that? No. So, like, the original City of London isn't the City of London. Okay. The financial quarter, which is one square mile of London, is called the City of London. Wow. And that's got its own mayor. It's got its own police force. It's got his own laws. It's basically like the Vatican sitting in the middle of the city about them running financial flows. There is so like, there's a really good documentary called *The Spider: Britain's Second Empire*. Like, that will open your eyes to just how much financial corruption runs through London. Like the Swiss have got nothing on us, man. Like we really do run the financial sector of like high crime. And you read *Anglo-American World Power*. You said I love. Well, you mentioned Cecil Rhodes. Yeah. So that's why that that book. Well, let's get into this because maybe they dovetailed because Carol Quigley wrote this book, *The Anglo-American Establishment*, talks about Roundt cultures, Cecil Rhodes, and Lord Alfred Milner, or whatever, and like them having those secret societies led to the intelligence agencies that we have today. What was it based on? The Illuminati, right? Old school barbarian Illuminati and like. Yeah. Yeah. Jesuits. He based his group on those. It's in the, uh, um, what's that movie that's pretty they're pretty good? The first one, *Kingsman*. Oh, *Kingsman*. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They drip that stuff right into those shows, like for real. I'm a writer, and I study this [ __ ] because I got to make. I want to write jokes, and I want to [ __ ] make movies. So, I know sometimes they might be doing predictive programming. Certainly. But understand there's a dude like me that looks at this [ __ ] because you can find the best because you got to write something new that you haven't heard before. That's how I could tell if you're lying to me a lot of times because you're telling me a a myth, as Pazoka calls it. I've seen this one, man. Weapons of mass destruction. I saw that 20 years ago. I could spot it now. Exactly. Yeah. It's not that I'm that quick. It's yellowcake all over again. Like, same [ __ ]. On that, though, I don't I I'm maybe a a heretic here in that I think Tucker maybe overreacted. Look, I think to which part? I think a surgical, whatever surgical strike Trump did is not the same thing as nation-building in Iraq like we did for as long as. Shot for shot, right? Sure. But like, wait, that's three years before. Do you understand what the implications of that? But let's not get into some meta layer. I'm just saying like, on a basic geopolitical level, like [ __ ] matrix, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure that that was like a bad move and didn't set their program back in a few. Do you know this? There's eight levels of top secret above the president. And the reason for that is. I don't know that. Yeah. Well, most people don't. But well, yeah, I don't think you know that. Highest is highest is nuclear. Why? Why did I not did I not wear the the robes of a wise man? You That's true. That's true. You are. Am I not holding the baton Egypticus? Why would you think I don't know that? Well, I do know that. And you do because you read that book. Uh, Carol Quigley was given cosmic level clearance to go to the archives. Douglas Murray says, "Have you been to the archive?" He's been. He's definitely a spooky guy. Carol Quigley also is a professor at Georgetown who Bill Clinton said defined his worldview more than anybody else. Yeah. So, so the city of So, if you if you go through that thread, Anglo-American establishment to today, do you think the City of London still has like, they Vatican, City of London, do you think any of these groups, you know, Knights of Malta, you've done a lot of amazing work in Malta. Yeah. Do you think any of these groups have disproportionate power today? Oh, yeah. Like, there you go. There you go. Yeah. I would Oh, I wonder. I would agree with Kurt's laugh. Like, I mean, holy [ __ ]. Yeah, like England. Oh, I wonder if they do. Okay, I'm g I'm asking Jack. England England is such an old country, man. I think we're just very good at being quiet with the amount of influence and power that we have. How many crab claws have you had, brother? Claw podcast and three claws down, and I haven't even had one. You didn't even bring me one tranquilizer. Okay. Okay. Do you think Bring the crab claws out. Bust them out. I want to be on your wavelength right now. I want to be on your bandwidth. That you should have. Yeah, I got one more. I don't want it. You got it. I'll have it. Um, yeah. How many white cars have you gone to? Start by call. Do you hear yourself? Do you think the secret societies are the most popular, the most powerful people who ever lived and undue influence? Oh, I wonder. But you know what? You know what, Kurt? It's It's easy to say because it's the truth. Well, no. It's it's really easy to be hand-wavy about this stuff, and that it's much harder, and this is my criticism of Dark Journalist, to actually understand how any of this stuff works. I don't think I have a a really great map of the world. I suspect that some of this stuff exists, but I think asking these questions is very of value. Sometimes you got to ask an obvious question for people that don't know. Exactly. I watch your show, and I I appreciate you having me on, brother. And and I hope you understand that. No, I do. I just think it's important that people understand if you think they wouldn't do that, they would do that. History tells you they would do that. Whatever you think they wouldn't do, not only would they do it, they did worse already. And I think that when it comes to somewhere like the UK, when it comes to someone like the UK, you know, we're we're very we're very good at being kind of diplomatically quiet in terms of influence. A lot of people would say, "Oh, you know, like British Empire, that's done." Like that's a long time ago. It's like, not so much actually. Not with the financial element at play. So I'd say that we hold a lot of influence over the financial kind of like, you know, global market. A lot of bad money flows right into London. And then like, yeah, the City of London, this this weird kind of like financial sector. Like I said, they've got their own mayor. They've got their they've also got the only unelected members who can go into parliament called the Remembrancer. This guy called. Yeah. For real. Right. For real. The the Remembrancer, who he. So he's an individual or she who works for the Corporation of the City of London. That is older than London. Okay. Okay, so the that's like the OG. So that's kind of like you've got the financial sector, you've got the City of London financial sector. The beating heart of that is the Corporation of London, right? Very dystopian stuff, right? And so the Remembrancer, what a title, right? Will go into parliament and sit and listen, and then report back to the Corporation, and they'll make the decision if they're actually going to pass that. That's that's the real government behind the government, you know. So interesting. They they're a human. They're a Mentat from Dune, is what you're telling me. Pretty much. Yeah. It's the same kind of a vibe. You know about Lake Havasu? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I played that game. London Bridge is in Lake Havasu. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, these they moved London Bridge. They re they took. Yeah. They took London Bridge to America and built a lake. Lake Havasu is just like the old City of London, and and Freemasons laid the first stones in Lake Havasu, like for that, like Knight of Columbus is the controlling interest, and the reason they brought that bridge is because there's kids walled up in it, and it's a negatively charged. God, I don't know about that. Oh, yes. Well, Nathan Reynolds, go check him out. See, I started. Here's what I do because I I'm on a new show. Okay. So, I'm looking at the current events, and I'm getting. What's your show? Jimmy Dore. I'm on it. I'm a slight on Jimmy Dore. Okay. Okay. So, I'm getting actual news that nobody's getting because all the channels that people think are news are literally propaganda for the one guy who's president at the time. So, Fox is entirely for Trump. I know your boomer parents watch it. They can. Yeah. It's it's a program Trump. Of course, MSNBC was for for Suprain Biden. Okay. Well, I want to see Morning Joe. That's it's all for one guy, and they're bloodline with the British. I will I will say that like from a British Yeah, bury the lead. Bloodline with the Brit. From a from a British perspective, like our propaganda is a bit more nuanced and subtle than the Americans. From Well, I would I would argue that it still is, and that, you know, when you look at CNN and NBC, like at least from my perspective, it's like, well, you can tell that they're drenched in bias, just political talking points too. Yeah, bro. Well, that's what I'm saying though. It's like it feels like with like the BBC, for example, they're [ __ ] clever, man. Like they they'll drip it in very subtly, you know, in this lovely British accent, so you really feel like you're being informed, but it's the exact same thing. It's just a little bit more subtle. Speaking of which, you see this Wall Street Journal article about the UFO stuff? Yeah, man. Like, again, I feel like there's a mix of like some actual truth to what they're saying, and also, uh, you know, an incentive to try and kind of like disrupt what's going on in the UAP conversation. But I would I would argue that there is definitely a level of like, you know, bringing people in. Again, it comes back to this campfire story thing. Like, how many, no offense, but how many whistleblowers have got up and gone like, "Yeah, I was told this. I was told this. I was told this. I was told this." You didn't see [ __ ]. You didn't know that. You didn't see it. So, you've been told this by who? By Lou, by Chris, by Gary Nolan, by whoever it might be. And it's like, where's the seed? I want to trace the seed back to the origin point. And where where's the actual information? Because whenever you ask these guys, they got told it by another GS-15 or another high level. Yeah. So I'm friends with his cousin. They [ __ ] hate each other. John, the truth about Chris. Yeah. John the Fifth. Yeah, I know, right? He's a classic character. He's great. Mellon has the ex-rotech file. Yeah. What What happened to Academy of the Storms? Where'd that go? Yeah, exactly. I was talking about this not that long ago, like to the Stars Academy. That's you know, Tom Dong, I feel got thrown under the bus. He was what they would call a useful idiot. No offense to the guy. Yeah. Like, you know, he was all excited, and I I'll quickly. Do you know how he initially started this? Like Tom Dong spent his personal fortune. Didn't he know? He performed at. He was invited. Yeah. Because he had the money holiday party or something. Yeah. So, he's always been involved in like, you know, the UFO subject because he's got the money and the connections. He actually knew a dude at Lockheed Martin who was like, there's like a family and friends meetup happening. Would you be interested in introducing the bosses onto the stage? And he was like, "I want 10 minutes with your boss afterwards." But yeah, and that's when he had. Right. So literally, right? So he walks into Lockheed Martin, and then he gets taken, you know, through the classified facilities to a meeting room where he sits down with the big bosses, Skunk Works, all this stuff.

He pitches to the Stars Academy, and he was saying on the radio, "You know, you have to go and be of service." I wanted to be of service. So he basically went in there and was like, "Here's a template. I am your, uh, medium into the public, into the, you know, the youth of today. Use me however you like."

And one thing I'll say real quick is that despite the controversy, and I wouldn't say I trust this guy 100%, but Steven Greer was kicking down doors at that point. He had like, you know, 6 million, 7 million views on Netflix. He's talking about unacknowledged special access programs, illegal programs, real repercussions that need to happen. This is an uncontrollable asset who's out there making noise.

Suddenly, Tom DeLonge turns up to the heartland of classified security, right? Lockheed Martin. And he's like, "Guys, use me. Here's what I want to do. Tell me what you want to do." Suddenly to the stars, suddenly Lou Elizondo, suddenly Chris Mellon, suddenly there's the New York Times. And it just feels like they were like, "This is the opportunity we needed. There's a disruptive guy out there who's giving this narrative about illegal programs. It's going to cause trouble for us. Suddenly here's a really famous guy who's got a link straight to the youth of today, and he's saying we can [ __ ]."

There's an email I think between him and Podesta where he's like, "Yeah. Yeah." Between they were tight. This came out on Wikileaks, and DeLonge is like, "Uh, I want to, you know, give the truth, but I also want, you know, I don't want people to, I want the government to be portrayed as cool." These emails that came out. Yeah, dude. Dude, so on Wikileaks, what's interesting is they are gone. I've tried to find these Wikileaks emails where he's talking about Mitchell, and people scraped it, but they're 404 on the website. Every single one about Tom DeLonge interfacing with Podesta and people like that. Back in the day, bro. He was literally saying to Podesta on emails like, "I really want to try and get the youth of today to be more pro-military, more pro-government, and this is how we're going to do it."

And so, "The Secret Machines" books and the TV series was all about trying to build confidence back into the institution. And yet, and yet, and yet I look at the people he was talking to, Neil McCaslin, Steve Justice, where I'm like, "Where did Steve Justice go? Where'd Steve Justice go?" You know what I mean? And and and and I share your frustration around the campfire story stuff, but I'm like, these guys are high-level dudes, and like I don't think, like I said, campfire stories with a TS/SCI clearance. Yeah, totally. Totally. And I don't, I don't think they would be spending this much time with the frontman of Blink-182 if there wasn't something.

But that's what I'm saying. Ed, what I want to know where that kernel of actual data exists that they're then echoing back into these circles of people who are like, "Well, I got told by Lou, and Lou told me this." It's like, "Right, so who told him and where does he tell you that?" Go for it. So, MK Monarch, the thing that they have admitted was real. Now try to stay on it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, most of your favorite stars, I think really the only actor who didn't work with the CIA is probably Steven Seagal. The only guy who literally didn't work with the CIA is Steven Seagal. But in the program, which is the continuation of MK Ultra, Tom DeLonge's family, are they not Air Force? Yeah, he's got intelligence backgrounds and actually, yeah. No, another member of the band as well, um, actually helped this. I'm not going to remember it, but I found this out and was like, "What?" So then another member of Blink-182 had family members in the intelligence community, and he actually helped with something in the military in the IC. It was like some software or programming or something he helped with. So there's two IC/mil connections in Blink-182. Wow. Tom DeLonge and this other guy. I think the bassist, but I can't remember. Yeah, it's like all the rock stars of the '60s. Yeah, dude. It is weird. It is weird. It's like all of them. Yeah. In the '60s. Yeah. Dear brain monarch. But it's just I don't know, like, you know, did did did Tom DeLonge have a natural interest, natural money, and then and then he got brought in and got? Did you hear your story? You know, that's what it feels by you. Well, I hear stories. Yeah, exactly. But I think that is not programmed into him because he's from an early age from one of them things. I want to be of service. Yeah, for sure. But then I hear I hear stories of, you know, people like Neil McCaslin, who ran, I think, the AFRL, Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Pat and stuff. Serious dudes taking Peter Levenda's work. So Peter Levenda co-wrote, you know, this book with the occult and like, you know, it goes back to the occult and the grimoire and all sorts of like, very seriously. And I don't know what to think of it because I like, I'm like, look, even my own relationship with the sort of more esoteric elements of this stuff is like, I find it fascinating, but it's it's definitely to the extent it's entangled with reality, it's very it's inherently like sort of covert. And occult means hidden. There's definitely there's definitely a Gnostic theme running through a lot of these guys, like, you know, what they believe in and this idea of the Archons. And even Tom DeLonge on like 2016 on "I Got Breakfast with Tom DeLonge," and he told me that he thought these were like Archons, and that there's like, you know, in Gnostic tradition, you have a demiurge that's a lower god that controls the material world, puppeteer of our reality, and then the gods of that reality, the Archons, who kind of like recycle us back into the soup of reincarnation. Yeah.

Have you ever thought of scaling that down and applying the Archon title to your human leaders who call themselves that because they think it's their divine right to do that to you? I would say it's it's a very similar type of a thing. And then like, you know, you look at Tom DeLonge was like so excitedly talking in 2016 on the radio about this when someone asked about the Archons, and it was like, "Yeah, dude, like we've been developing weapon systems because we know they're coming back and we've been waiting for them, and that, you know, this is why they can't tell you about the UFO subject." And it's like, "Right, I have a massive issue with this. Like, I have an issue with people who say like, 'We've been doing this in secret. That's why we couldn't tell you.' Okay, so these things are transdimensional. They apparently interface with consciousness. Can apparently bend spacetime fabric, but we can keep a secret from them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, bro. That's a great point. Weak source. Weak source. Right. Right. We wouldn't know. If Tom DeLonge's sitting there on like, you know, the radio going like, 'No, trust me, dude. Like, we're hiding it because of the aliens.' They've heard it. Like, you know what I mean? So, like that doesn't wash with me. Yeah.

I think that, you know, someone like Tom DeLonge, he got brought in, and he was so excited, and it's kind of like, you know, on a lower level, similar to me when I was first meeting people and, you know, like hanging out with CIA officers, and you think, "This is so cool, like these guys are actually giving me time," but they're so good at becoming your friend. Like, you know, that's what I was saying before. They're good at doing that because they see you as someone that you, you know, can send a message through. Yeah, show biz. Yeah. Like, not every time, but I think there's a lot of that in the UFO community because it's such, it's like perfect ground zero for them to interface with the public and create a bit of a rumor or, you know, a bit of a campfire story.

What do you think the point is? Because a part of me is like confusion. A confusion. Absolute confusion as to what is actually going on because like again, there's definitely something going on. Something really, really important and probably non-human. Do you have like a best guess at that? Or do you think that maybe the SCO is, above all else, that they don't know? Yeah, that could be. They haven't got a clue. They know. I suspect that no one knows. Well, that's kind of where I lean is like, they've got maybe slightly higher fidelity information and ideas, but they don't really know what it is and they don't know how to address it. And it's like, you know, how does the premier national security apparatus go, "We have no idea"? They can penetrate every system. They can destroy us. They can take you out of your room at night. Like, you know, all that kind of stuff. Like, yeah, I think there's an element of that, but then there's also like, you know, like I said, the classified exotic research and, you know, using the alien as a smokescreen for that. So there's so many incentives to keep us in the dark and also spread all these different stories, which we've seen since like the 1940s when they started these UFO conferences and these spooks and spies would come in and they'd give people ideas. But look at what we're dealing with now. A spaghetti junction of narratives with a thousand people saying a thousand things, and they're all true. This is the narrative. This is the narrative. It's like no one actually knows. That feels purposeful. Feels like it's generating noise because again, there is something to look at, and it's maybe the implications are so deep that they can't risk people knowing about it. So it's better to believe in gray aliens coming from Alpha Centauri or whatever, you know. But again, like you said, I think that there's a likelihood that they don't really know. They don't really know, and that scares the [ __ ] out of them. Yeah.

There's clearly there are patterns. There's clearly an old gods or something like, you know, like whatever you might think, like, you know, that book of, uh, the Collins Elite. Oh, man, I've read a few things on the Collins about the final events by Nick Nick Red. Yeah, Nick Redford. Now, whoever he was talking to was feeding him horseshit, but the book's still very interesting. Radical Christian ideologues. And yes, because I watch Jason, I always call him Jazz Jabroni, but his name's Jason Georgiani, cuz he, and again, I don't need to agree with all your points. I just, everybody's got a little piece. I just want your piece. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And he, he points, he goes, "This Collins elite that are fundamentalist Christians." Yeah. George W. Bush years. Okay. So that would be Colin Powell's in on that. There'd be a lot of these people in on that, and they're fundamentalist Christians. Then you read about what they did. Well, first we met aliens, and then we're like, "Can we use this to assassinate people?" Well, are you guys Christians? I thought you were Christians. Right. Right. Right. Yeah, Christians do that. No, they don't. No, they don't. So now I'm being fetishized. And by the way, Collins, just so you know, is the one of the old Barnabas Collins from the, uh, what do they call it? The Dark Shadows. Johnny Depp played him in the remake. Oh, I don't know, man. Yeah, it was a '70s thing from England. Barnabas Collins. Very popular. Dark Shadows. Johnny Depp later played him in the Tim Burton remake movie. Okay. Okay. But that name Collins, that's one of them, the 13 families, right? Big powerful name. First first warlocks in America is their claim to fame. I wonder if that's the same Collins elite. Maybe.

Hey, I noticed a lot of occultists all think that they're Christian and they say it like they are. Like your J.R.R. Tolkien, who by the way was a Rosicrucian, just like Disney. And his priest. Yeah. And his Catholic priest son was a victim pedophile. Didn't Tolkien eventually convert to Christianity fully because of C.S. Lewis or am I making that up? Yeah, I don't know. Or maybe it was the opposite. Maybe C.S. Lewis. I know he had ties into these esoteric communities, though.

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Mormonism, Lord of the Rings, bunch of stories. You hear the themes over and over. Campfire stories. The theme is Atlantis over and over. And don't journalist metaphorical overlay. I got that word from him. I didn't make that up. It's a metaphorical overlay. Once you realize that principle of a metaphorical overlay, then you go, "I've heard this story before." Like, I'm saying the Tall Whites. Oh, this sounds like some racist came to an island and, uh, we're like a cargo cult that tries to make the same planes out of wood. But I got news for you. I think they have all those meta materials now. The the helium-3 and the [ __ ] and the Bob Lazar Muscovium-113, because I texted you about it. They made that in a particle collider in Russia. What do you? That's what CERN is. How much meta material could I get out of the biggest one or the 30,000 ones we have?

You know something wild about CERN, right? They're not opening portals. They're making. Well, you know what's interesting about that? Because I mean, like obviously like everyone's making theories about CERN and like, you know, what's going on there. But there was that woman who I, Astrud Stukelberger. Yeah, man. And she's got a hell of a resume. She has a really impressive. So she's she's kind of like a public health policy expert, but sits on all these interesting boards. And she's in an interview and she goes, "Physicists from CERN are telling me that beings are coming out of dimensional portals at CERN. There are lots of physicists. I I know some. They're doing very strange experimentation. There are beings from portals coming in and out. It's physicists from the CERN who told me this. They've testified to beings coming in and out of portals." Yes.

So, this is what's crazy, right? I reached out to her a one summer, like last summer, not maybe maybe two summers ago, right? Because I was fascinated. I do think high energy physics, whether it's Thomas Townsend Brown, Tesla, nuclear stuff, you get weird stuff showing up. It can yield anomalies. Yeah, for sure. That's where you're you're testing the boundaries of our reality and the whole Feynman "There's Room at the Bottom." That's how you get into that. And so I was like, "Okay, this is really interesting." So I reach out to her. No response. Then I throw that clip in a long video I did with this guy RZ Burke, who does simulation theory stuff. She goes back to you and she emails me and she was like, "We must talk now or whatever." And it was, yeah. And it was responding to my initial inquiry clearly, cuz she had read it. Right. Right. And, uh, didn't know who you were and was like, "Whatever, I don't know who this guy is." Like, like, yeah, but clearly she did. And then I was like, "Okay, let's talk this week." And then just ghosted. Like, never, never heard from her. So, so strange. Well, that's the thing. I only she was on like some obscure interview on Bitchute or something like that, you know, she wasn't on like YouTube or anything like that. And, uh, I think because she was also talking about COVID, and it was during that time where you just couldn't say [ __ ]. But I found it very interesting what she was saying, and I don't know, man, like, you know, CERN, so many theories about what they're doing over there, and it's a difficult one, but high energy physics, like you said. I mean, I've heard some things from people who, you know, work in the quantum computational industries and kind of like some of the high-level simulations they're running on like black holes and dark matter and weird [ __ ] is going on localized to the computer. And there's a famous, there's a famous crash in the US at South Haven, right next to Brookhaven National Lab. That's that's where our largest particle accelerator is. So that's our CERN equivalent in Long Island. And you have the police chief there and a bunch of local residents say that it was collected by Brookhaven. The the crash itself, and Brookhaven's Malkque, right? That's Montauk. It's kind of like in that in that vein, like weird [ __ ] going down in Brookhaven Labs. They had a gate program. Yeah, they had something going on. Talented.

So, do you guys think the Montauk experiments were real? Cuz you've had on, um, Eric Hecker. Yeah. My boy Eric. Yeah, Eric Hecker. Yeah, I know you guys were chatting in the space not long ago. You know, we bombed Iraq that day. They had a 5.0 [ __ ] earthquake. Hey, you know Syria where we just installed Al-Qaeda? Remember we went to war? Your brain makes too many connections. That that's what the government tells me. Yeah. Yeah.

Think think about just a little context for the audience real quick. Eric Hecker, who's Eric Hecker? Eric Hecker is a he he was a he was a plumber, like quite a high-level plumber. Went out to a lot of different like, you know, interesting clients, but he ended up getting a contract via Raytheon to go out to Antarctica and do work out there and ice, um, yeah, IceCube Neutrino Detector and things like this. And because of his role, like people kind of like shrug it off because, you know, you're just a mechanic, just a plumber, but because of that role, you get access to so many different areas of like the sites and the facilities to do basic work and upkeep. And he said that he had noticed that like energy was being, um, uh, transferred from one area to another area where it wasn't supposed to be going, like a huge amount of energy was being sent off to these places when he was, you know, trying to, uh, de-energize the the cables and things like that. And he was like, "You know, where's all this going?" And they were like, "Don't even worry about it." And then he, I can't remember the specifics of how he's kind of come to this conclusion, but he's pretty sure of the IceCube Neutrino Detector, which is like embedded into the ice. I mean, it's absolutely insane. This thing with all these like Doms that are going deep down into the ice. It's essentially like, you know, this three-dimensional, uh, technological construct. Uh, he thinks that there is, well, he's found documentation to be fair to him, like documents that insinuate it's a two-way device, that the energy can be used to actually emit instead of just receive. So it's not just a receiver of neutrinos, and it's an earthquake gun, and it's an earthquake gun. You know, Christ, New Zealand. I don't know how true that is because I haven't really seen satisfaction waves, but yes, that is the claim. That is what he's saying, and he's become quite well known for, you know, talking about that. And I know you've connected to him pretty recently. Yeah, I just did a thing with him. I talk to him all the time. But he also talks about, cuz he says he was in a like a childhood. Yeah. Talks about the Montauk experiment. I grew up on Long Island. Um, I had a very peculiar history of nefarious activity with, uh, the Stargate program. Yeah. And, you know, I've forgotten the name of Inisada. Inisvada. That's the name of the school that's now been turned. It was renamed and then destroyed. But I did find the place. It was real. And it was called Inis Fard when he was there. And it was like this weird school for gifted children. And they would do the remote viewing stuff. And apparently they would take him to the library and put this like, uh, fluid in their eyes that would make everything turn slightly yellow. And he, he, he'd remember like being really like pumped to go outside and like see if it was still there, cuz everything would be in yellow. And he didn't really know why they were doing that. But it was at this time where he was being, you know, kind of prompted to remote view and, you know, there's no wrong answer. Just tell us what you think. Ink. And he didn't really understand what was going on in his setting because it was very different to his school environment. And like Kurt said, you know, this is something that a lot of people seem to have been brought into, especially in America. It seems you guys have been running that, cuz I don't know about the UK, but I haven't heard many stories of like, you know, that kind of. I know like at four or five people who, if you met in any other context, you'd be like, "This is a normal credible person," say that they, like, they were brought into some program as a kid. They don't remember a certain year of their life or whatever. It's really interesting. Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, brother. Like, you know, of course you would try and get some of the best and brightest and try and especially if you genuinely are interested in parapsychology, but you tell the world that. It's like, "Right, find these kids, see if they can do it. See if they can interface." I mean, NASA had the Star Kids. That's even like mainstream knowledge now. We know that NASA was getting these kids and trying to get them into remote viewing. And yeah, Andre Bjoric had his institute in upstate New York, and a lot of the astronauts did remote viewing. I mean, Edgar Mitchell is really known for that. Doing experiments when he was up on the moon, and Gordon Cooper had a discussion about space kids and stuff. Blue Masonic flag on the moon. You know, people think the moon landing's fake, right? Right. I don't think it is, just based on they put a blue Mason Lodge flag on. Yeah. Buzz Aldrin.

Do you think do you think the footage that we saw might have been faked, but not the actual mission itself? That's my belief. That's kind of where I am. I wonder because some people say like, you know, people say nukes aren't real because some of the footage is fake. Yeah. Smart guy. Smart thinking. No. Yeah. Mark Daniels recently said that I think he's an absolute liar. He's a dumb. I'm sorry to tell you he's one. I watch him do it. Tell that [ __ ] to the Japanese, man. They might have a few things to say about that. Radiation.

I got this from Joseph P. Farrell. This is a great little tidbit. I've never heard anybody say this before. Um, when he, he remembers from being a little nerd kid when, uh, uh, what what's the German guy that ran the rocket program? The famous one. Von Braun. Yeah. He has a blurb in Time magazine that his mom got, and he's reading it. Von Braun. He tells the, while he's talking about the moon facts, you know, he goes, "Well, the point of neutral, you know, the point of neutral gravity where he gives like double the amount for what they said it was, right?" And then the, and then who does Von, what we're now giving? Not only that, so because he's such a turbo nerd, Joseph, he puts together that means it's more dense than they're saying is farther away. Oh, right. There's a race to the moon. Remember how we got to get to the moon? Don't know why, but we got to get there before we rush it. Well, Sputnik was beating. Yeah, they were beating us. That's what they said. That's what we're told, right? That's what we're told for sure. How did we get all the good Nazis after the war, but Sputnik was beating us in space? How does that work? Oh, maybe the same way Pearl Harbor works, where you cut off Japan's oil so they have to Sputnik because you want them to. So you think Sputnik was a false flag? No, I think they wanted Sputnik to go ahead. So they had, "Hey, we got to start working a lot harder, guys. Busy." They provided the impetus to do that, right?

And what's what's weird as well is that there's a clip, there's this really good clip. I mean, it's just like a real "what the [ __ ]" moment with this NASA astronaut who's like, "Oh, I'd go back to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we destroyed that technology and it's a very difficult process to build it back again. I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to, but we, uh, destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again." It's like, "What?" And like, how did we get through the Van Allen radiation belt at that time, but now we can't? We're only in LEO, low Earth orbit, now. You know, you know how Starship's what their plan is to get to the moon? It's wild. What is it? So, it's Starship is, you know, Elon's latest rocket, 150 to 200 tons or whatever, and this is a state-of-the-art, you know, thing. It's obviously much more tonnage than what we were dealing with back then. It's meant to like carry, you know, huge payloads of Starlink and [ __ ] but still, this is what we have to do now to get to the moon. And we did this before we had something like an iPhone. Like, you know, the entire computational processing of NASA couldn't even fit in my pocket. In your pocket. So, so, so, so these things now go to low Earth orbit. They burn 9/10 of the fuel tank just to get to low Earth orbit, and then they they're orbiting around, and then you have to get another one up that burns 9/10. It does butt-to-butt refueling with the first one. So you get two tons in that first one. The the second one then disposes of itself. You have to do that 10 times to get a full tank in low Earth orbit. And then that one that's fully refueled goes to the moon. Yeah. I feel like that alone debunks and asks some serious questions unless you got really crazy source. Also, oil is not rare. Colonel Prouty told us it's like the diamonds like the beers. Stay on track. So you all this track on it. No, it's a little you're king of non-sequiturs. But you don't. Okay, look. Look, I'm telling you this for real, dude. Part of the thing for people in the program, they have a list of you can read the. You're a nonlinear thinker. The ability to synthesize seemingly unrelated events. Now, when I read that, that's how I write jokes. The reason I look at all goofy [ __ ] and I look at everything is so I can have jokes. A lot of my jokes that I made as jokes have like come true, and it's disturbing the [ __ ] out of me. Disog needs to write American Cosmic 2 about Kurt and his brain. American Cosmic 2 Electric. Download the electric. You look he has protocols and you all should be seeing the. I want to make this clear that I'm not smart. I fell for 9/11 back in the day. I was in New York and they go, "We got to go to Iraq." And people rightly pointed out that makes zero sense, and I said, "Shut up." I made a lot of faces Jesse made here on the show today. Be a patriot. I'm okay. Come on. Well, I just I think you have to like, with 9/11, even like I now suspect more than ever that there's some [ __ ] there. But I don't know. And I think you have to stay in that not-knowing zone to be an honest.

Let me give you a good parable from the, uh, do you remember, um, when we starved half a million kids in Iraq with those sanctions, and, uh, what's her creepy name? She was the bird [ __ ] that she's getting interviewed on 60 Minutes. Uh, Albright. Madeleine Albright. And, uh, and the lady goes, "And I'm watching. You're probably the first female Secretary of State that." "Oh, that matters." "Well, that matters if you're a lizard person, doesn't it?" "Let me get through it." "Okay." "I don't get a nervous rich kid feeling. I'm just trying to get through it." "I know they're your friends. Just relax." "Okay." "I don't blame you for the FDX kid." "I'm not like the other." So, Mr. Sitting there being roasted. "I'm a comic." She's being asked, "Hey, over half a million kids starve from our sanctions." You know, when we canceled Iraq and their kids starve because that's what we do, the good country. And was it worth it? And Madeleine Albright, she goes like a zombie, she goes, "I think it was." The first woman said that. "I think it was worth starving half a." Now, luckily, we have the numbers. It was only a quarter million Iraqi kids. Know, but if she would do that and say, "I think it's worth it," on a goddamn camera. You think that [ __ ] wouldn't drink a baby in the woods with an outfit like this on? Are you dumb? Are you young? You haven't figured out the scam yet. So, I think of this like scams. They don't know what it is. They thought they knew. They got Nigerian Prince scammed. Get it? Think of it as crypto scams. Be Coffeezilla about it. M Zilla, who I recommended to Rogan's show. I want to admit he, he Kermes Trezor Gasmos, the writer of "As the Carpets or the Drapes." I recommended him. The guy does killer work. Just apply that. Just do a metaphor. It's so easy. It's just pattern recognition. You can see the game that's being played on you. Hey, this reminds me of that. You just got to do that. All humans can do this [ __ ]. They're literally training you not to do it. Have you noticed? I I believe there is some, you know, ambient evil in the neoliberal world order or whatever. But and neocon, which are which are kind of synonymous in many ways, man. But like when you meet these people, I I don't know. I'm not sure they're drinking baby blood in the woods. Like I'm sure. I know I know there is weird [ __ ] like the Epstein [ __ ]. Of course, you know, the MK Ultra reason, right? Manchurian candidate is based on that. What if we could have a secret agent that don't know they're an agent? Wouldn't that be great? And if they get captured, they honestly didn't know they did it. We achieved that. That's been achieved since ancient Egypt, but we achieved it. We big-formed it with the Nazis. We saved. As that's a matter of public record, not a conspiracy. We brought Nazis here with big [ __ ] scars down their face to run NASA, which had a space kids camp. I wonder what went on there. And we had them run it for some reason. Beat the Soviets to the moon. Wait, NASA had get to the moon and destroy the ship. NASA had a space kids camp. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Like I was saying, like you can look it up now. It's like kind of general knowledge. They had like space kids and like the Star Kids, I think it was called or something like that. And I know about Puharic or whatever, but did NASA? Yeah, NASA had something like a gifted children's thing. But I think it's kind of like, you know, there's a there's a mainstream acknowledgment of that. And then the surface layer of that is people saying, "Yeah, and while we were there, they were teaching us remote viewing." That's kind of like the thing that's not necessarily discussed publicly, but was part of that program. Yeah. Wow. Nonsense. Yeah. No, I don't remember doing anything like that. Maybe I didn't pass and nothing happened, but I just don't remember.

Well, Wernher von Braun apparently encouraged also Edgar Mitchell to go up and do the sort of parapsychology like this card sort of Ghostbusters beginning. Remember that? Ghostbusters and Bill Dan. I've gotten, uh, dinner with Dan Aykroyd. He is obsessed with UFOs. Yeah, is probably a high-level Freemason, and that's why he's into his family, like, you know, psychic research for a hundred years or whatever. That dude knows a lot of stuff. I promise you, and stuff. He also smokes a ton of weed. So maybe that opens some on the MK Ultra list of what drugs do to control you. Yeah, marijuana breaks amnesiac barriers and interferes with the programming. So in Montauk, that's probably why dope. Look, don't worry, they fixed. They fixed the problem now. So the weed, I'm sure. Oh, lame, man. But why was weed illegal so long? Well, it interfered with the mass mind control.

Can I can I give you my crazy MK Ultra theory? Go right ahead. Okay, so Jolly West, you know, one of the architects of MK Ultra, like I feel like a lot of it was like, like he had this like center for violence studies, violence reduction. I kind of think it was like local violence creation for mass pacification or violence reduction. So it's like things like Manson, where you have this, you have a symbolic scapegoat where like Manson was synonymous with like the hippie movement, and you have him, this is the way that you then go, "We got to stop this, guys, because look at this one." Look, Thompson writes it down, and it becomes legend, right? That was, "Oh, they're those hippies." So that's the guy closing the book on that little op right there. And if you read the Franklin scandal, I didn't, I was like, "Nah, he wasn't there." Then I'm like, "Wait a minute. His death's a bit suspicious, isn't it?" Hunter, um, pretty sure he was shot with a suppressed pistol or something. Look into his life. It's worse. And I, you know, all the crazy talk about Adrenochrome. I know. Where did I hear that? I heard of that in "Fear and Loathing." "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas." Adrenochrome. He wrote about Adrenochrome. Have you seen "Fear and Loathing," the film? So in that, there's a scene where they take adren. It's like, "I got it from the Satanist." This you can only get it from a pineal gland. Like a real P. And it's like, like they give the whole spiel about adrenaline. They thought it was a hallucinogen. See, they made it look like it's like hallucinogenic or like, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But now when they talk about it, have you noticed this? They talk about like it's a narcotic, like a cocaine. Right. Now, here's a weird fact. I don't know how it fits in. Maybe you heard some, uh, the stuff for an EpiPen. When you have allergies, the adrenaline, right? That's adrenaline. And if you let that go bad, it turns into adrenochrome. Oh, but it looks like red powder. So, why can't you just use that if it's a drug? I don't know. I I definitely think there's something to adrenalized blood. Like, you know, this whole idea that, you know, you get someone into a perpetual state of fear, they've got all this adrenaline running through them. Like, that blood's going to be rich in adrenaline. Whatever that really does to someone's mind if they just drink it. I don't know. But like, you know, they they they definitely don't want us to think that there's anything like actionable or real.

What's an internet troll do? Like they try to somebody, a disembodied thing feeding on your. They say stuff to provoke you to feed on your negative emotions. Does that story sound familiar to you? Yeah. Again, fractal pattern. So the drapes were going to technologically create like a demonic. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. And I think it happens in different levels and layers of society in different ways. You know, it does not suck because I found your show on there. Yeah. I learned now I don't. No, that's true. That that stuff's dope. Like the fact that you can make connections that you can never make, but we're going to make more progress and all this stuff. They [ __ ] up putting. They [ __ ] up. But it also sometimes I'm like, I just got to get this out of my brain. Like the people you sometimes get focused on, cuz and then some people attack, you can be very overwhelming. 100%. And and the issue with that is that this is a very egotistical space, like, you know, a lot of competition between people and like, you know, like influencers and content creators and whatever, whatever. And like that's something that I found very tiring is just like dealing with the egos in this field.

Well, it's so ironic, right? Because it's like people say, "I've got a massive ego." Maybe I do. But well, UFOs should like UFOs should be like this sacred thing, and instead, you have all this like jockeying around like, you know, "I want to be the disclosure person" or this or that. It's also Exactly. And it's a cottage industry. There's a lot of money to be made. Like, you know, people don't think there's any money in UFOs. Like, have you been to some of these conferences where they've got like the whole place, hide out, and it's like, there's money there, dude. There's money there. That's how they compromise your work or anything. And then all the CIA people are at these conferences, you know, like embedded within the crowd talking to people. I was never offered money. Okay? I don't want to say these things I'm saying, but they won't pay me. They'll not say them. Still wait. Have they even thought to do that? Not once. Why? Yeah, because my cape isn't as nice as some people's capes. Yeah. And my on staff. Yeah, maybe I got it at Party City before I came here. But don't show that I have esoteric knowledge. And yeah, maybe my cult leader sunglasses are I got them at the 7-Eleven before I came here. When I got my claws.

Well, I I don't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I I offered way too much more more money than I can afford to be honest to have Kirkpatrick come on my show, and then my buddy doubled it. Now at 100K, and um, I don't think he's going to come, but I think it's a revealed preference that he's being paid off. Kirkpatrick. Sean Kirkpatrick, you know this guy is okay. He's not meta bad enough for you because you want only procisure people to be bad, but there are people who judge people. It's too simple. But it's also like, judge you good or bad. I judge if you lie. I definitely. He's a liar. But I definitely get I definitely get frustrated with like the procisure activists who are kind of like, "Anyone who's coming out from the government who isn't Lou Elizondo is wrong about what they're saying." And it's like, "Yeah, okay. But like, again, I would say that someone like Lou, for example, but on the facts, Kirkpatrick got so much wrong in that." Oh, no. Absolutely. I'm not not disparaging that. Like, you know, Sean is is a is a shady character. Shady, but so is Lou. Sure. Sure. I thought you was so. So's the guy that drops fake UFO photos on stage and in congressional settings, and they get debunked in 24 hours. He was wrong before that. So much as I know, bro. I've been following it for a long time.

Okay. So, Sajid Khan, who I, by the way, has a mutation in his eye that he can read tiny writing that no one can see. Kind of cool. Awesome. What a wild little dude. Don't improv. He writes the lines you say. Holy [ __ ]. Word for word. Yeah. When he would go in character, when he, dude, it was he would go in character. So we did this billionaire character, Gio. And he's talking to a yacht salesman about putting girls in a boat. And now I want to tell you all these pranks, it's all these rich kids that are funny kids, and they burn family connections to do pranks. Okay, this is 2017. I'm doing this hysterical [ __ ]. And we had all these people. We had Dick Cheney on. He asked him to sign his waterboard, and you know. Yeah. Yeah. That that was hilarious. He goes, "My waterboarding kit." He goes, "So he signed my waterboard." My favorite was. Oh, was this in the. This is America. Who is America? Who is America? Oh my god. That was the. Yeah. So I every time I go, "No one is going to fall for this. This is too stupid." Okay. I was wrong. I was not right. One, right, dude. They did these fake charities I wrote about like skinny-shaming the kids of Sudan and say, "My body, my choice." Like we had some rockers go, they'll say anything cuz the camera's on them. It was unbelievable. But the Gio one, that's why I talked to Weinstein because his story of meeting Epstein. Yeah, it sounded, dude. It sounded like what we did on the show, like was Epstein doing a prank show? And then I realized, oh, we were doing what an intel operation is. So I had some ones I think are funny, and I thought they were so stupid. Who would fall for this? But in Georgia, uh, Eran Marad, the Israeli, blew my mind. And when he was getting the guy to have like the little teddy bear guns for kids and stuff. Oh, yeah, they did that before. I think the way they built a mosque so in case they'd act so funny. And he's like, "You build your your cubicle into a mosque so they can't attack you." The guy's wearing a a turban and genie shoes. Holy [ __ ]. And he's like, has a flute and a rubber. I mean, come on. And so what do I, what do you do? I'm I'm a mother. What are you eating? Hummus. Okay. And then the office gamified. And I had the pork shield and the gay pork, you're gay. Like to chase the shooter out. Yeah. And they and they actually do it. That's the thing that's crazy about it. These people who are like senators on, they were actually on the show doing it. Doing it. Right. So what do I do? I move towards him with my ass like and say, "America, America." See what the thing is from what I'm saying. Yeah. These people are [ __ ] actors. The guy from the Federal Reserve. Why do we have to borrow money that we print? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What the. Yo, I can sit with you worse than any UFO story. What the [ __ ]. None of you know how anything works. I feel like I shouldn't have better intel than the President of the United States. I don't think it's cuz I'm a super spy. I think cuz there's a big problem at the top. That kind of goes back to the UFO subject in terms of like, do they even know what's going on? Like, we barely, they barely even know what's going on in the Federal Reserve. They really know what's going on with like, you know, aliens and like any of this stuff. Like it makes it rife for counter-intel because of that because it's it's this it's both real and it's ephemeral, and so it's so co-optable. You can it's a Rorschach test. You can say it's sure. Yeah, you can say it's like all these things. Yeah, I know what. Yeah, thank you. You know, he was a bad. All the physicists are a journal of the 12-year-old girls he would court. He said no one. Oh, dude. Schrödinger. Yeah. Oh, when you look into. Oh, and how about the physicist? I bet you met him. Who invited Rogan to Epstein Island? These people, you be sure. Wait, who invited Rogan to Epste? No. No. Really? Lawrence.

Krauss. Really? Really? No. Really? He's got a record. Lawrence Krauss is on Epstein Island. But did he invite? He invited Joe Rogan. Oh, yeah. I won't say no more in that. I mean, a lot of people got invited. A lot of people got invited. Stephen Hawking was out there as well. Oh, people go, I'm disappointed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If Stephen Hawking was there, he's the victim. Stupid. He's in a wheelchair, obviously. Right.

No, but I think I think again, it's like, you know, like something like that. Something like that, though. It could be the fact that, you know, like, hey, uh, there's this individual called Jeffrey Epstein. He's very interested in science. He's funded a lot of stuff. Would you be willing to come to his private island? He'd love to like host you. And it's like, cool, I'll go do that. Then you leave. You had no idea that it was a island of rapists. 100%. And they're arbitrageing stagnation in academia where like nothing vital or interesting is happening. So you pay them off. You have prestige and you have you even you have probably of-age girls and some of these guys are single. I mean, for God's sakes, you have one paraplegic who talk or whatever, and it's like they don't know, you know. And or in certain cases, they probably did, but others, they didn't mix. No, I mean, Bobby Slayton went to his house, as you know. Bobby Slayton didn't do something. A rich guy, and you're a comic, want to let's hang out, go to this thing. You get creeped out, and they're watching. How do you respond to this? Eric Weinstein explained it. Got the American flag coffin table to see if he'd spill his drink on it. Yeah.

Well, the Weinstein thing is crazy, cuz he was like, it was almost like Epstein knew about his theory. Like, he did, right? But like right as he produced it, it was like Epstein was tracking this. It was like, "Oh, you produced it. Boom. Come, you know, come." Bit too fast. Yeah. In Intel, a high-frequency trader for like theories of everything and interesting science and [ __ ]. Oh, that's interesting what you just said. It is like high, because it's like the Yeah, that's a good way to put it. It's rigged. You could bet in the market, but it's high-frequency trading. So, you'll never get access to it before certain people do. And that's how we have this secrecy. Well, I kind of wonder. So, this is getting into really weird territory, but it's like, I wonder if he was a fly trap for like deeper like exotic propulsion sites. I wonder about that. I wonder about that. He was obsessed with the Casimir effect. The Casimir effect. The Casimir effect being like, you know, this sort of dark energy shown between two uh char non-charged but conductive plates that seem to attract, you know, that like geckos, this is a real force. And he's like, how could we harness this ostensibly for propulsion? Like, I mean, this is like not really like necessarily evidence, but I think it's interesting.

There was that woman, I can't remember which one it was, who was a victim who did like the murals and the paintings. Maria Palmer. And like, there's a mural called like the Sentinels, which is like the elite spelled backwards. And it's like this big mural of all the different people that were associated. Less Wexner. You can see all the characters. Ghislaine Maxwell's depicted as a dragon biting a child in half. It's all very nasty stuff. And then there's also a an antenna going up with an FBI flag on it with a flying saucer hanging off the top of it with Epstein's face inside the window. Wow. So, it's like, okay. So like, who knew and what was he actually trying to achieve in terms of his own scientific ideas and explorations? And obviously, like I said, he's funding all of these different movements. He knew everyone on the Nobel Peace Prize board. Answer for you, brother, because, again, I give it up to Fog to Daniel on this. Here's what, uh, what's his name? The wheelchair robot man, Stephen. He was, uh, those ruins that came out in National Geographic of possible Atlantis, and then they never talked about it again. And the pictures were on legacy. Oh, the what? Underwater? He went in a submarine to go look at that. Remember Ghislaine really cares about the ocean. Tamar, the Terramar project. Like, she had a whole thing going on there, which is interesting. Controller, not Epstein. Do you know about the hand, like their kind of like, um, overseas and like Atlantic Ocean trading network they were trying to establish with people like, um, who's the guy behind Virgin? Branson. Branson. And like, he hosted them all on his island for the Terramar project. Basically, these elites setting up some sort of like, I don't even know how to say it, like they kind of considered it their own country because when she was being interviewed, she was asked if she's a if she if she's a citizen of any other country, and she said Terramar. It's like, okay, so what is Terramar? She did. She said it was her other citizenship. And it's like, this elite network of trading routes, trading routes and shipping containers going around places like near Antarctica, off the grid, and it was being held by all these [ __ ] huge elites. So, there's something about the Terramar project, man. Like, dude, I forgot that went under the radar. Like, yeah, dude. Whoa, I forgot that. I didn't even know. Wild.

Well, I sometimes wonder if on that note, this is crazy speculative, but like, you know, William Stevenson is maybe by Facebook name. He was, uh, Churchill's super spy, but he helped start the CIA with Wild Bill Donovan, you know, OSS. And he was really close with a lot of like US-based scientists like Charles Steinmetz and Thomas Townsend Brown. They were close confidants. And he was doing a lot of stuff in and around the Caribbean, the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands. And he ended up spending the rest of his career in the Caribbean doing like shady trade stuff. And I wonder if there's a connection between like, I feel like he and Robert Maxwell had to have known each other through MI6 circles or something. So I don't know. I mean, this is getting crazy. Hecker said, did Eric, oh, I don't know if he said on a thing, but so people he worked for. Yeah.

So, you know, people go, Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, bought TW. He's not the richest man in the world. He, what do you think they would put that in Forbes? Richest man. Disclosed that to you. I go back and forth on that. I don't know. Do you are you guys sure? I mean, I'm not sure of anything. I'm not either. I'm not either. I'll bet. I, I agree that like maybe it's bucks. I mean, you know, that's zero dollars. Old money people that have got like holdings in other countries and like vaults of treasure and things like that. People think, you know, poor people think people are rich. And hey, you're a rich kid. And they have no concept of what it, what it's like at certain levels to not understand the rich kids don't think they're rich. I'm not rich. That guy is rich. You know, you always have a new. Yeah. Yeah. And and I live in New York. Okay, I did comedy so I could just go to all the things and see and get a perspective on what [ __ ] is, right? And, uh, that's the compartmentalization, and that's how it's supposed to be. And all the.

So, are there hybrid kids? Yeah, when they say bloodlines, it sounds spooky. Why do we keep track of royalty at all still? Does anybody wonder that? Why do I give a [ __ ] about Megan and Harry and the prince? British people I know don't even care about it. I guess they're a human flag. Is most of the younger generation [ __ ] hate the royals? Of course, all populist things got to be crushed, right? So, how do you crush them with nonsense distractions? Uh uh, it's, I mean, it's endless, dude. But I mean, we got woke after Occupy Wall Street. Remember that? Woke happened after that. And that is a way of controlling, uh, populism because, you know, what do we see these days? When there's a populist front, it's just immediately a right-wing, far-right racist movement. And that's the way that we disregard it and we get rid of it. And it's like, a lot of these populist movements are just popping up because of the fact that it's a direct reaction to institutional power and control and censorship. And they turn it around and they switch it to make it seem like you don't want to be supporting these. You realize these are Nazis or racists. It's like Ukraine, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Exactly. I can't deal with the hypocrisy. Those are the good ones. Can't deal with that hypocrisy. Right. Like, let's all salute Azov Battalion, but, you know, don't worry about like these people who are just trying to create some freedom in their own country. Like, you know, it's crazy. Oh, yeah. United Fruit Company. We should talk about the. We should talk about the pyramids. We haven't even got a. I know. I know. I was. Oh, sorry. We got to talk for a second. All right. I got to piss anyway. So, all right. So do I, but I'll let you go first. You go. Come back. Maybe come back. Maybe come back.

I, we've had Alex Jones on the show and Kurt, you are 10x crazier than Alex Jones. And I know why the cage bird sings now. I used to judge Alex Jones, but I know why he's like that. He's a cage bird. Here. Wait, hold the staff while I'm gone. This is wonderful. Okay, we got this. You know, I, I love him. Oh, he's fantastic. He's great. He's great. He's awesome. Um, it's kind of like if you brought me in and we were like, "Right, let's get some like dude from the underpass on as well and bring him like, dress in his cape." Like, let me tell you about the secrets of the Illuminati. Now, if we were both on a mega dose of LSD, that's what it feels like. Feels like I'm rolling on something pretty strong right now. No, that was really good, dude. Like the pyramids though, we should talk about that. We should get into that. What the [ __ ] is going on? What's under the pyramids? What's happening? Because you're you're in touch with the research team that found this through synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography. These structures and they're reconstructing the structures. Is any of this real?

Yeah, I mean, like my opinion on it is at this point, there's 100% things underneath the Giza plateau and the pyramids. Whether or not we can completely correlate that to the very interesting 3D models that they've created, I think that's more of, you know, kind of an inspired artistic recreation. But at this point, I would say it's undeniable that they are finding significant subterranean signatures below the Giza plateau. And like, there's been so many assumptions. Like even actually driving here on the way, I got into a talk with my Uber driver and I was like, "You heard about the pyramid scans?" He was like, "Yeah, yeah, but like none of it's been like done before and none of it's been peer-reviewed, right?" And I was like, "No, that's not right." So in 2022, they actually did a Giza, um, the Great Pyramid of Giza scans and they found hidden chambers beneath the Great Pyramid, which they then were peer-reviewed and accepted and is fully just like a validated thing. Now granted, they weren't saying that there were huge structures underneath, but that's because they were tuning the technology to specifically look at a localized area of the pyramid. And that's when they found these hidden chambers at that time, 2022. But they've also done experiments in Italy at the Grand Sasso Laboratory, which is 1.44 kilometers inside a mountain, and they mapped it out. They mapped it out. They managed to find the centrifuge and like the areas that they were focusing on, and they've produced tomography scans showing the subterranean infrastructure of the Grand Sasso Laboratory. And they've also done the Mosul Dam in Iraq, and they use it for structural integrity for bridges. Professor Filippo Biondi, who's the synthetic aperture radar expert on the team, works for the Italian government. Serious guy. Real fun. Like, such a nice dude. And I've had like the pleasure of, because I put out that video, which was only like 8 minutes long, just kind of saying, "Hey guys, like, there's this team and they're doing this." It like blew up. Joe Rogan played it, like, you know, so like I got connected to the team quite quickly because they saw my viral video on it. And, um, yeah, I was out in Malta with them a few days ago actually, before the Carolina conference, and, uh, for their first international conference where Filippo Biondi was presenting in a lot more detail the scans, the science behind it. Um, granted, some people struggle with the dialect. I think in the UK, it's a little easier for us because we're used to European dialects like Italian and French and German. And the Americans seem to struggle a bit more because they have got quite a thick accent and they are trying their best. But they're speaking English, which isn't their first language. But it's very interesting because what they're doing is they're not scanning 2 kilometers into the earth, 5 kilometers into the earth, like, you know, they're not penetrating using radar in that way because that's impossible. That's what a lot of the mainstream critiques were doing, including some people that I just think, why did you not do your homework? Like Flint Dibble, like this archaeologist in this world, right? Like he's just like, they've never tested it. It's never been done. It's like, wrong, wrong, wrong. Like they have. If you actually just spend 10 minutes trying to find it instead of having a a knee-jerk reaction because it's going against your model. And that seems to be such the case with mainstream archaeology, mainstream history, and science is if it goes against the model, there's a knee-jerk reaction and they didn't actually do the homework. So like, yeah, like what? So we have detected other underground things using SAR Doppler tomography, using SAR Doppler tomography. This is a thing that we can do. It's well, it's a thing, but this is certainly a thing within a niche community and beyond. Filippo Biondi seems to be the one that's really specialized in that. So it's not like a general accepted mode. It's like a novel sensor fusion. But I even, it's funny, I even watched Sabine Hossenfelder's like video on this. She's a, you know, kind of a mainstream physicist, critical of string theory and stuff, pretty conventional. And like, well, she was like, you can map magma chambers and volcanoes using SAR Doppler tomography. And then she like, said that they took liberties, obviously, on the the reconstruction, you know, this sort of energy grid that it seems to be mapped out, that might be a bit of a stretch. I don't know. But I think it's interesting that it doesn't sit in a vacuum because you've got historical reference to labyrinthine passageways beneath the plateau and entranceways into the halls of records. Like there are there are old, going all the way back to ancient Greece and further, of like, you know, statements from people who went to Egypt and wrote about like being taken into these corridors, and then early like 1800s explorers who said the same kind of a thing. And like I was saying to you before, even Zahi Hawass before about 1993 was saying the same thing. Yeah.

So like, you know, there is there is definitely a pattern to be connected in relation to like subterranean infrastructure. And we find that across Egypt anyway, regardless of the plateau. Like there's a lot of different places that are subterranean and, uh, seem to be of a different stonework, of a different kind of method to what we then see with dynastic Egyptian temples. Same with the pyramids as well, actually, because one of the biggest, uh, signifiers of that is the fact that there's absolutely zero hieroglyphs in the pyramids. There's not one, other than the cartouche that's written in red ochre that we attribute to Khufu, which, by the way, if you look into the images of that red ochre, uh, cartouche that's been drawn on and compare it to, uh, some other red ochre marks that were found inside the pyramid, it's so obvious that this is basically just drawn on with lipstick. It's fresh. It's got like flaking from the ochre on it. But the older stuff, it's like the ochre's gone. It's just ionized onto the rock. So, it's like a shadow imprint of this very light red ochre. This stuff is like literally like someone got lipstick. And that's the only thing that we attribute to Khufu for the Great Pyramid. This is like this 1800s explorer, I forgot his name, like Voss or Vas, something. And he was hired by, uh, the British Museum. He was running out of funding. He was running out of time. Lo and behold, he suddenly finds the signatures of Khufu written in very suspicious ochre. So, other than that, there's no hieroglyphs in the pyramids. I've been to like the Valley of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens where they've got these tombs and they've got these entranceways, and it is literally you can't even find a square inch which isn't covered in motifs and symbols and gold calligraphy. Go into the pyramids and it's just blank. There's literally nothing inside the pyramids other than precision engineering and the studies of acoustic signatures in the King's Chamber, which show that it was acoustically engineered. Yeah.

And then like, you know, do you think there was some sort of, cuz you, you've covered this in other contexts too, in Malta and other places. Do you think there's some sort of ancient, uh, acoustic-based technology? Yeah, I, this is one of the things that interests me the most. And like, we call it archaeoacoustics. And there's also a term psychoacoustic architecture. The idea that some of this architecture is deliberately designed to produce harmonics that then influence the brain. And one second, my brother, let me just get off this tangent. And then so really, a really uninterrupted, a really interesting element of like the acoustics. You just mentioned Malta. Yes. So, I got back from Malta recently. There's a, there's a temple in Malta. This subterranean temple carved directly out of the limestone. They dated back to the Neolithic Stone Age period. But that's just because they can't date it back any further with conventional narratives. Right. Yeah. And this place is precision tuned to 111 Hertz. Like, they've done enough studies in there to show that this place, called the Oracle Room, yeah, resonates at 111 Hertz. It's this like incredible overlapping architecture, like these kind of like multiple layers of, uh, of like concaves and and entranceways. And inside the, uh, Maltese subterranean chamber of the Hypogeum, they actually found elongated skulls. One of them's on display in the museum. Wow. And the interesting thing about these skulls in particular, unlike some of the ones in like Peru, where you've got evidence of head binding, is that this skull actually lacks the sagittal suture, which is the vertical crack that goes all the way down the head when the two parietal bones are pushed together when we go through the birth canal and fuses the skull together. Yeah. So, we have one going across here and then one going all the way down the skull. That one doesn't have it. Doesn't have it. So, that's like an. And it's a, it's an adult skull. It's not an infant skull. So this thing was walking, talking, and acting around without a critical component of our, um, bone structure. What do you make of that?

Well, I mean, like, there's one in Valletta, but the story goes, and it's even written in the museum, and you hear from the Maltese locals that they found [ __ ] hundreds of these skulls. Hundreds of these skulls. Then the guy who finds it mysteriously dies. Someone from like, some Smithsonian Institute takes over. All those skulls vanish away. What, what does that person look like in their time? The, like, you know, we don't know. Like, you know, there's there's recreations of it that kind of look like an alien gray, like, you know, it's like they don't really know how it looked, but it's it's elongated enough to be significantly different to a human being. And then like the Maltese legends in that area are that there were giants once on these islands and that they helped build these temples. Cuz what's crazy about Malta, other than the fact that it's the, it's got the largest concentration of megalithic stone building sites in the world, like they're like so many there. But when the Bronze Age settlers from Italy and Sicily went over to Malta for the first time, they were already there. No people, just temples everywhere. And so, we don't know who were the original builders of these temples. But it goes back to your question about acoustics. Like, there's so much acoustic knowledge that seems to be incorporated into megalithic, Neolithic, Stone Age, stone-building cultures. And that is not something that you can just arrive at naturally. We're not talking about like the creation of a flute. We're talking about multi-ton geometric alignment, not just with solstice and equinox and all that incredible stuff, but also acoustically resonant in a way that when chanting or any sort of like mantra is performed in these sites, seems to excite the brain in certain ways, bringing it into alpha state, bringing it into meditative states of consciousness. Is that true? Absolutely. Absolutely. And how, how do we, how have we tested? So, we've tested like things like Stonehenge and again, the Hypogeum for the acoustic wavelength that's propagated naturally through it when we chant, when we hum, when we drum. And 111 Hertz is what they find in the Hypogeum. There's like quite a few studies actually done on this where they've concluded. And then they're doing like, and then so like you look at binaural tones and the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and the stuff that we're at a fledgling level. This is what's so impressive is that we see, we seem to be at a very, um, fledgling level of understanding the acoustic effects on the brain. And these people seem to have been [ __ ] masters of it. Like, we'll like play like an instrument now and then we'll we'll do some like EEG scan of the brain or something while we're doing that in this Hypogeum. Yeah, I mean, structure. They've done a series of acoustic tests, not only just to check, test the bandwidth of it, which comes out at 111 Hertz, but then like actually mod, like scanning the brains and seeing how people react inside these kind of a chamber. But also like, you know, you put some headphones on and listen to your favorite music, you can laugh, you can cry, you can want to work out, want to fight someone. Like, it changes your emotions. So we know that acoustics has a profound impact on our perception, our emotions. And, uh, yeah, the fact that some of these places seem to have been tuned to, uh, Hertz ranges that excite the brain and change the brain wave state into theta and alpha. I would say that there is an ancient science of like conscious induction, like consciousness acoustically induced, sorry, conscious expansion. And then you see these elongated heads, you start wondering, you know, see the elongated heads, you see astronomical alignment with a lot of this megalithic architecture that seems just very odd if not intentional. Like it probably was intentional. Once you get a pattern around the world of different sites that have the same kind of a tuning, like Newgrange, Ireland, Malta, the pyramids of Giza, like all of them have. I mean, the pyramids are an incredible example. It's a perfect scale. I can't actually remember what the scale is, but a lot of these places like there'll be an error of margin of like the actual kind of Hertz range. M. The pyramids are perfectly scaled. Uh, as you kind of rise up through the Grand Gallery into the King's Chamber, the acoustic, the acoustics, um, that have been picked up are like the perfect number. It's like no margin of error. So, it's like this incredibly tuned building. So fascinating. And it's funny when when you hear Randall Carlson or Graham Hancock, or, you know, I was hanging out with him. I love how cool. He's the best. Such a cool dude. He's like Hagrid or something. The wizard. He's like our personal alternative history Hagrid. He's awesome. And like, he'll he'll say stuff, you know, about like possible, you know, ancient acoustic technology, and you laugh it off, and then you realize that there, you've talked about this, there's a field called cymatics, where you put sand on vibrational plates, you know, that there's a real effect there. We know that electromagnetic fields affect the body via, you know, cellular communication occurs via, you know, voltage-gated ion channels, which get affected by local EMFs. So, I was doing an interview of a guy called David Elkington recently, who's like a, he would call himself a recovering academic because he came from that world and is now seeing things in a different set of eyes. He's really interested in the acoustics of the ancients. And I'm going to have some images of this in my podcast because he actually, uh, did some experiments alongside some other scientists in the King's Chamber where they, they stretched a membrane, uh, over the, uh, sarcophagus of the King's Chamber, like a Chladni plate, like a cymatic plate, and they put Egyptian sand on the plate, and they sent vibrational frequencies that match the the frequency of the King's Chamber through it, and it turned into the Eye of Horus. Wow. Yeah. And I've seen photos of it where it literally is pretty much on point with the Eye of Horus, which would suggest what? That the King's Chamber was tuned to an acoustic that the cymatics of which is a representation of part of their own language. Well, you see, what does that say? Their level of sophistication well beyond. I mean, you see like, you go to Chichen Itza and you like, will clap and hear this bizarre noise. Or like, you know, during the equinox, you know, you get a snake running down the steps. And it's like, we to barely do that stuff now. What did Tesla say about frequency and vibration? That this is the key. This is the key to the universe, to understanding it. And I think that there's a real truth to that. And whatever these people in the prehistoric time were doing, they seem to have a very advanced knowledge of how to attain transcendental states through acoustics. And like you said, with the cymatics and the geometry, it is fascinating that when you vibrate these sounds on these plates and you get these geometries that are essentially the visual signature of the sound you're hearing, you will then find them in pretty much every religion, monotheistic or otherwise, represented in the geometry of the cathedrals, in the paintings, in the motifs. Once you understand and look at and recognize cymatic geometry and and what it is, you go into these places with new eyes, man. You're staring around and you're just like, well, there we go. There's a clear pattern that is a harmonic, uh, signature, and it's written on the wall. And so it would seem. And also, what is one of the most prominent things inside of churches? It's not actually the crucifix. It's the pipe organ. The pipe organ is the most prominent thing. I think that these places were deliberately designed, and like the Gothic cathedrals are a fantastic example of potentially reaching an apex point with this, um, you know, this lineage of acoustic knowledge that seems to stretch all the way back into prehistory. Yeah.

Well, even the Freemasons would say like the Brothers of the Serpent from Egypt, or there's some like connection. They had their hand in building the Gothic temples. Building the Gothic temples. And these things are not just geometrically incredible when you look at them, but they are also acoustically profound and like, you know, meant to be these spaces for induction into the mysteries via sound. Speaking of acoustics, you've talked to Stuart Hameroff, an anesthesiologist, who's also a fascinating guy, worked with Roger Penrose, Nobel Prize-winning physicist, who dares to broach the question in physics, how do we see macroscopic reality when it's sort of supposed to be quantum and probabilistic? And I think they present a very bold theory that might be right. I don't know. Um, but it deals with this sort of, I think maybe the most underrated part of it is is, um, that there could be some geometric component because there are pyramidal structures in the tubulin in the microtubules, right? And that that those maintain coherence. Yeah. As above, so below. Right. So you wonder maybe if like you're in one of these sort of mega structures, yeah, does that somehow affect? Does it, if if these things are maintaining coherence for a certain amount of time while spacetime superposition is building up to the one graviton limit, does that increase the amount of time so that you're staying in a coherent state? And then your perception presumably would be very altered. I think that might play a role. I think that might play a role. And like, you know, this is again, it's such an interesting thing when you look at like the the the bleeding edge of mainstream physics and and quantum theory. And they're only just getting to a point that seems to have been represented in the ancient past. Now, I'm not going to say that they were quantum physicists, but they might have got it from intuitive processes or maybe older knowledge, but it's clearly represented in things like the pyramids and the Hypogeum, this kind of acoustic, uh, technology. And then like you say, when we get into what that really does on the quantum level, on the level of microtubules and neurons, it changes us. It changes our perception. And maybe like you say, this is an elongation of the process. Kind of like drawing the process out even longer through sitting in these acoustic resonance complexes. But the pyramids are a weird one because there's a lot of different ideas and theories about what they could have been, and multiple make sense. So it's almost like we're looking at a multivariate technology. It could be quite a few different things. Yeah.

It's a really interesting guy that I bumped into in Malta, and I'm going to actually go out and meet him in Cairo when I go out there next month because he lives out in Cairo with his girlfriend. He's American, but he he's lived out there for a while. He's, um, his name's Jeffrey. I can't remember his second name, but he's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Chem. You might have heard of it. No, I've never heard of it. Have you heard of it? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's really interesting his theory on like, um, how these these were essentially giant chemical plants. And cuz cuz Egypt was originally called Kemet, and that's where we get chemistry from and alchemy. Like, yeah, like the the buildup from that comes to alchemy and chemistry. And like, you know, Hermes Trismegistus and all these like, you know, alchemical type of minds. And, um, it's really interesting when you kind of understand that these things were situated around a watered at one point. The Nile River was right next to them. Right. And then if we invoke these strange spiraling structures that they seem to have found, it could almost be drawing water up and producing an oasis, right? These things might have actually been agricultural nodes that promoted fertility in the local area. And it's really interesting. I mean, his idea about it because it even extends to like the dolmens and the menhirs that we find all over the world. They're all made out of like piezoelectric materials, rose quartz, like something high quartz concentration. And what his theory was, and I'll murder it because I don't know it properly, but it is really interesting, was that these are are conduits for lightning. And the lightning would excite the piezoelectric materials, and this would in turn cause natron, I think it's called, to be infused into the ground, which promotes fertility and and growth. Right. Right. It's like a, it's like a terraforming technology, like a Type 1 civilization of a different order, using holistic technology from the earth. Right. It's so trippy, but that would so explain. I mean, who, I don't know, but it's like the, why is quartz being taken from the Aswan River Valley 500 miles miles away in the form of 50 to 70 ton blocks, which is just insane. And one of the things I brought up in my presentation, which is not necessarily about that kind of technology or or lightning strikes or anything, but just about multi-ton stone lifting. There's a place in Lebanon called Baalbek. Interesting place, named after Baal, the Storm Lord. Baal, you know this, like, and is the Baalbek, Lord of the Beqaa Valley. Wow. Which, funny enough, if you read the Book of Enoch, the Watchers, right? The the weird beings came down on Mount Hermon in Lebanon. Ah, so this is like this weird ground zero point for the ancient stories of these [ __ ] wherever these beings were, right? But Baalbek and Lebanon is a quarry site where you've got three megalithic blocks that weigh, one of them is like 1,200 tons, and it goes up to 1,800 tons. Absolutely insane megalithic blocks made of limestone. They never left the quarry. But 500 meters up the road, give or take, you've got this place called the Temple of Jupiter, which we attribute to first-century Romans. A lot of the temple was built by first-century Romans. It's obvious, but the foundations and some of the upper tiers of the foundations, right? There's a series of stones called the Trilithon stones, which are raised about 30 feet above the foundation blocks and placed with precision. They weigh, conservative range, 800 tons each, coming up to about 1,000 tons. The Romans bragged about their heaviest lift, which was the Lateran Obelisk, which sits in Rome, taken from Alexandria to Rome, weighs about 350 to 400 tons. So, even at a conservative estimate, these Baalbek stones are double the weight of what the Romans claimed to be their heaviest lift. They never spoke about Baalbek. They never spoke about lifting these stones, but mainstream archaeologists will attribute it to the first-century Romans because they found the foundation and they built their Roman temple above it. So they look at it, go, Roman temple, it's all Roman. What about those 800-ton stones that were impossible for them to lift with wooden pulleys? No, Roman, shut up. 800? Yeah. 800. And that's conservative. They could be up to 1K. Wow. And like to give you some like, you know, perspective on that, you'd need like one of the biggest cranes in the world. Like I think it's called like the Liebherr 17000 or something to actually lift that with precision and place it. And we believe that they did it with wooden pulleys and ropes. It's ridiculous and crazy. So like, there are so many places around the world where it seems ancient foundations. Peru as well. Peru is like Peru is full of smoking gun of ancient history and contrasting between what we attribute to the Inca and what is so clearly megalithic, multi-ton precision from a time long before them. Totally.

Um, and even they will say that like the indigenous oral traditions of the Peruvian shamans will say that they found sac roads leading up to. So you'd be like excavating all this earth, but you don't know how or for what. And then from the highest vantage point locally, the lines don't make any sense. You have to be at least like, I think 150 meters totally, an aerial. Yeah. For it to make any sort of comprehensive sense. It makes no s, it literally like doesn't make sense unless you're from an aerial perspective. So it's, I was going to ask you actually on the Malta thing, if you have these sort of beings with the elongated, it's called. I was just down in Peru. Oh, I'm so jealous. How long were we there for? Two days. Don't be jealous. Not enough time. Not at all. Don't be jealous, cuz it was I was in and out. I got sick. Oh, yeah. So, but I s, um, there are these these three-fingered, three-toed beings, the tridactyl beings or whatever. And they apparently, according to these forensic experts, don't appear to have undergone the sort of traditional head-binding rituals that you'd expect, right? And some of them apparently have like metal inside them, osmium and cadmium, inside of them, which are rare earth metals that were found in the 18th and 19th century. So super strange. You know what's weird about that as well? Is I kind of feel like there was an intelligence scope done on that very early on because Jaime Maussan showing those kind of ones that were absolutely fake. Like the ones that were literally just like bone and plastic. I'm not even. Oh. Oh, yeah. No, there was one that was like proven to be. But that's not, that was Flavio Estrada. That was, I apologize Jaime Maussan for attributing that to you. Well, because, well, this is it, it is important because Jaime's gotten so much flak, and I'm sure he has gotten behind BS, you know, hoaxes in the past, but I, I spent some time with the guy and like, he's just a cool, he's like, he's he's he looks at the fact pattern and he's he's extremely open about scientists coming down, like taking, he spent a ton of his own money to like protect this stuff, and he's very like boldly stated in a way where like he gets stuff wrong, but he's like, it's real, you know, like that's. But I, he, I, I got no like weird. What I meant by that is like early on before the tridactyls, before these very impressive large ones were really discovered, there was that little one. So that, so in 2023 at, so Jaime rolled out the J type, which is not my highest conviction body type for being real. There's an M type. Those are like the more hominid ones. The J types look more like the kind of Close Encounters of the Third Kind thing, but they also look reptilian. The bodies look a little, they look fake. And so I wouldn't have rolled out one of those. I would have rolled out. Those don't look fake. These ones do not look fake. Don't look fake at all. And so he rolled that out. But what you might be referencing is then at the airport, there's this guy named Manuel Cáceres, who's a local journalist who made merchandise as a knockoff of that. That might be where I'm getting my wires crossed. And they, and everybody got their wires crossed because then Reuters picked that up. And this guy Flavio Estrada, this official archaeologist from the Ministry of Culture, that's similar to Zahi Hawass, man. It's the same [ __ ]. They were like, "This is fake because of this like wood glue, you know, these things stuck together, which are obviously obviously." And I interviewed this guy, and he's like, "This was art. This was not the real thing." And he's like yelling and stuff. I repeat, that one is fake. It's craftsmanship constructed, built. So, what I find interesting is when you were describing your Maltese, the the sounded so similar to honestly what I saw. I was like, that maybe there were some beings or whatever. I mean, I, I don't discount it, man. I really don't because there's so many references in different cultures and countries to, you know, the times of giants. And it's like, I love that in Genesis. Like, not that I've really read the Bible, but I love that in Genesis where it's just like, there were giants in those times, and in the times before that, great mighty men of renown. Anyway, moving on. It's like, whoa, I want to know a bit bit more about the giants, please. But, you know, they don't really tell you much about it.

I, I think that there's a level of truth to, uh, at least some sort of interface with something that, if not giant in stature, giant in intellect, right? That we, I mean, you go down to like the Dendera temples in Egypt where you've got the light bulb, you know, the the kind of the classic light bulb. Um, oh, it's it's incredible. Like, you know, it's people call it a light bulb or a Crookes tube because it's like this big Atlantean style like pharaoh, and the only reason you can say he's a big pharaoh is because you've got depictions of very little people below like kind of praying and like in reverence of him, and he's holding, you know, this, right Kurt, he's holding this giant, um, kind of like bold out. You must, it's such a famous. I don't know. Um, but it, it, it's like this big light bulb almost with a snake running through it, and there's even like a cord that's coming back through it and then running along the, uh, the wall into like a box that's just like etched into it. Right. It's a very interesting iconography of, and it's not repeated around Egypt. This is just in this subterranean element of the Dendera temple. I've got footage, so I can send it to you. Lace it in or whatever like that. Um, but you know, this, this whole idea of like intellectual giants, you know, like people who were just so superior to us. And, you know, you think of like Göbekli Tepe in Turkey, where we attributed that area to just hunter-gatherers. Then lo and behold, this, you know, incredible ancient, the oldest megalithic temple site pops up out of the ground, and the mainstream will just say, "Oh, I guess the hunter-gatherers did that." It's like, "Well, that makes absolutely no [ __ ] sense because they did they get out of their deer hide tents one day and just start erecting multi-ton stone with astronomy alignment sundial." It's like, like a sun. And it was purposely buried, intentionally buried. So, I, I, I get the sense that maybe there were like, you know, kind of like survivors of that pre-time, like this cataclysm that I think clearly did take place. There were pockets of survivors who went, and where would you go? You'd go to the hunter-gatherers, right? You'd go to the ones who knew how to live because you're just a [ __ ] idiot. You're an intellectual. You've been preaching in Atlantis for all your life. You're not someone who could like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what iconoclasm is, right? Right. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Could go be iconoclasm. It could be. Yeah. I think it could. Exactly. And but it's, it's interesting how, you know, this place is buried over, and it just makes me wonder about like, you know, the the hunter-gatherers of that era, and maybe they were like, you know, what, we don't want you doing this again. Look what you brought down upon this world by inciting the wrath of gods. You tried to be the gods. So they were like, I wouldn't be surprised like, literally, they [ __ ] murdered these people and buried their site. No, no, no, no. We're not doing this again. I wonder about that. But this idea of like, instead of literal giants, giants of intellect, for sure, I think was the thing. Stood on the shoulders of giants. Yeah. Exactly, right.

I find this, this time we're in so exciting because I, I was just actually in the context of looking into these Peruvian mummies. I was looking up how many like, how fast these discoveries are occurring. And so I was, I was doing this kind of calculation about like, how much older has our civilization just gotten in the last 70 years. And like all these megalithic sites, a lot of them are like the last 70 to 100 years that we, I mean, archaeology as a field is only 200 years old. So it's almost, you should, we should come up with some law where it's like, the older the field gets, you're the civilization is going to get older, right? Like sophisticated civilization. It's not like the Mesopotamia cradle of civilization thing is [ __ ]. Yes. And then similarly, I was looking up hominids, and like we have 21 to 30, depending on like how you, you know, categorize a hominid overall, that have ever walked the earth. Guess how many of those have been discovered in the last 10 years? Oh, go. Five, as your base case, and then depending on how again strict you are with peer review and that sort of thing, 10 at the highest. That's crazy. There's a lot of them out there still that we haven't managed to categorize. So many. So, I look at this thing in Peru and I'm like, I feel like, you know, I talked about this with Rogan a bunch, and I'm like, was I, You crushed it, by the way. You crushed it. Thanks, man. Well, I, I almost, that's the hot seat of all hot seats. And you did a great job. I was [ __ ] nervous as hell. Yeah, I bet you were. I bet you were. I was [ __ ] so nervous. Um, I, like, when this came up, I almost, my self-critique is like, I was too conservative. Like, I, I gun in my head, man. I think I think we found a new hominid, uh, creature, and we're going to DNA test it very soon. We're going to do another DNA test. So, like, you found in Peru? Yeah. So it's in Peru, and not because of me, but Jaime and my other friend who's

Making this epic documentary. This guy, Michael Mizzola, documentary called "This Is Not a Hoax." Good dude. Yeah.

Um, he's going to, uh, uh, uh, he's DNA testing it with these like independent aerospace contractors that, and they're going to do some double-blind stuff. So, no cheating allowed. So, I love, and that's why when people like, you know, come at Haime, the fact that Haime is down to do this in a way that it could totally falsify, you know, everything is [ __ ] awesome. And so, I'm so pumped for this to just, you know, it's, I think the definition of a of a grifter is someone who wants to keep something in a liminal space. Absolutely. I want it to collapse into true or false. And let's, let's see. I want, I want these things to be proven. That's why I'm in here. I want it to be evidenced, you know? And I also think that's a BS excuse. Like, there's so many things to cover and there's so many anomalies in the world. You're never going to run out of mysteries to talk about. You know what I mean? Let's try and prove some mysteries. Let's, let's do that. There's so many. There's a backlog. You know what I mean?

But you know what? One thing. Do you want to hear my weird idea about the grays? Yeah, let's hear. Like, I don't know if this would explain everything, uh, in relation to the grays, but I find it very interesting that there's a lot of Aboriginal stories from around the world that seem to be applicable to the grays. And you see some cave art in places like Australia and even the Native Americans where you've got these large eyes, these large heads, and this depiction of them. And there's certain tribes like the Hopi tribe, you've got the Ant People, and like these different stories where they would come up from the ground and they would assist people during times of great trouble and strife and geological trauma and famine, and they, they would teach them, right? And then you look at, um, there was a fascinating podcast that went out a few years ago where these two guys got some Amazonian tribesmen on the show, and they were straight up from the Amazon basin. They only spoke their own language. They needed an interpreter. They were in the headdress. They were fully, you know, of that, uh, culture, and they asked them if they had any thoughts on aliens. They didn't know what they meant by alien. They were like, "I'm sorry, can you explain that better?" And so they got a magazine out and they're flipping through. They found an alien gray and they showed this alien gray, and the Amazonian tribe went, "That's Makunwabu. That's Makwabu." And then they went into this whole thing about how Makwabu is a human that became an ant and it lives underground and it can appear in the divine light of Mishapan or whatever it was, which is their version of the holy light of something, right? And that it's a very dangerous creature and it will take your soul underground and you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back. And they were taking it very seriously. This other tribesman was going, "Yes, yes, yes, Makwabu, we need to be very careful with that."

And so my idea about this is that maybe, maybe there is a subterranean species that has lived on this planet for a long time. And a bit like the mycelial network, it went for the subterranean route. It didn't get affected by the surface traumas that happened to us. Didn't get reset by great fires and floods, 'cause they were deep into the ground. And if that's true, you have all these indigenous stories of, you know, beings coming from the underworld and assisting them. Big eyes, translucent gray skin, no sunlight, large eyes to adapt underground. Then you hear like the inner earth stories, and also coming out of our oceans, right? You know, these UFOs. What if, just what if there is another, and the, and the missing subcategories of humans, like you just mentioned, right? And in Peru, you've got the tunnel. But what if, uh, just as an idea, there was a species that decided to opt in for subterranean living and has essentially been undisturbed since the beginning, and they are really, really, really advanced? And that's what we think of the grays. So, the, the this fascinating, just an idea, could be, could, who knows, throwing it out there.

Well, well, yeah, why not? And when they are, they're very similar to us. And the, in K'i, which is the local dialect of where these, uh, um, you know, in Nazca and Peru, where these mummies were found, yeah. Uh, the, the local region translates to "laboratory for insemination and hybridization." What? Yes. What? Yes. In the actual language. Yes. And, and you can see this. There's a book from 2006 that shows this or whatever. Blow my mind. Nuts. Nuts. So, a part of me wonders, yeah. I mean, maybe there is some sort of guided, you know, like, maybe evolution is a locally functional theory via Darwin, but maybe there, you know, some some artificial interference.

Well, I think what would happen to us if we opted for underground, subterranean, dark living? You know, your eyes, your your skin, it's all going to change dramatically. And yeah, I just wonder because obviously they seem so hyper-advanced, whoever the grays are, you know, either being in flying saucers or literally just appearing in your bedroom at night or apparently helping tribes. You know, they seem to have a vested interest in us for some reason. Some would say it's experimentation. Others might say that they're actually, you know, caring for us in some way. But yeah, the idea that this could actually be, like you say, one of those missing subsections of the human, of the human lineage, and they've just gone for that underground living and they interface with us selectively.

Have you ever read this book called, um, "The Coming Race" by Edward Bulwer-Lytton? Yeah. The favorite of every neo-Nazi, right? Because whenever I put that out there, people are like, "Why are you promoting this Nazi material?" Hitler was into it or something. Yeah.

Well, well, you know, and this is what got Graeme Hancock in trouble. Is when he went out and was talking about Atlantis, suddenly you had Rolling Stone and, you know, The Independent, thing, racist right-wing propaganda. Graham Hancock's the most like, boomer liberal, dude. He's got a multicultural family, for the love of God. His wife's like, you know, dark-skinned, and like, he's been called this racist piece of [ __ ] by the. At the end of all of his speeches, he goes, "We need no nations." And we knew like, "What are you talking about? Are you racist?" Like, but like, you know, but, but it's interesting. Uh, yeah, the, the Nazis were obsessed with Atlantis. Like, the top tier of the SS and like certain elements of the SS believed that the Germanic race was a seed race that came from these like, like Hyperborea and Atlantis. And they had a term for it, like the Hyperboreans or something like that. And they would go all over. This is what's so crazy for a lot of people. It's like they see Indiana Jones, they just think that's a film. That's a straight-up documentary. No, Heinrich Himmler was looking for the Ark of the Covenant. They were, they were going through Peru and Nepal and Tibet. There's photos of them with like, you know, these like high lamas and there's like swastikas in the background. It's like, no, they, they were legitimately interested in doing that kind of stuff. And the issue that you run into these days is if you try and invoke Atlantis or you try and invoke Lemuria and you try and talk about that, the mainstream will say, well, you're just promoting, uh, racist right-wing ideology. This is the talking points of the Nazis. Like, what? Only because they found out about this stuff through ancient texts, man. Like, don't, don't lump in the idea of Atlantis with neo-Nazis and ideology of that era. Like, doesn't make any sense. They just picked up on it and became interested. But it's used as a way to attack, and that's what happened with Graeme, very noticeably. Yeah.

You know, no, there are always ways to bucket in. I mean, Nietzsche or whatever was not necessarily a Nazi. It was like a sister that got in with the N. It's like, it's just crazy. Yeah, it's just mushy-brain thinking and ways to scapegoat people at homonym.

But what do you, what do you think about anti-gravity research and how far they got ahead? 'Cause that's one of the big like lines of lore is like, oh, it's German tech. It's German tech. Dude, I don't know. But I find myself, the Scylla and Charybdis for me are like the people that say there's nothing. 'Cause dude, I'm so high conviction in the Townsend Brown stuff and a lot of the, the, you know, Klemperer was totally real, and I think they were doing some really trippy [ __ ]. I don't know exactly. I know way more fundamentally about what Brown was actually doing versus the Klemperer people. There's a lot of reason to believe I think Klemperer was doing frontier, interesting stuff that got, and that was part of the impetus for Paperclip and why we needed it so badly, and that the Haber side made it to Russia, but we, you know, needed to get a lot. And we now even have Air Force documents knowing that we, Hans Klemperer was apprehended by the Americans. So, I think there's something real there. And then Townsend Brown himself parachuted, uh, uh, behind enemy lines into Nazi Germany. And there's a, there's a telegram from William Stevenson, who I mentioned earlier, you know, inspiration for James Bond, right, to, uh, Josephine, who's Townsend Brown's, uh, uh, wife, saying that, you know, "Your husband is safe, but he's been injured." And there's a photo of him in Catalina who's recovering. Yeah. Lung injury. Yeah. So, I think there's some weird connections there for sure. And then the Scylla and Charybdis is the people who are like, there's nothing here where they're posturing around, you know, even I love Eric Weinstein, but even him is like, yeah, he, it's always like hedging where it's like, you know, there's a lot of, you know, disinformation in the space and like, like, but like, look, first principles at the Brown stuff, like, there is something there. So, there's like this side where I like have to argue that there's something real here, and then there's like the Ashton Forbes side where like, again, nothing against him, and like, I'm down to have him on my [ __ ], like, whatever, but like, he is so sure that we have like teleportation tech in, you know, deep black circles, and I'm like, dude, where are you getting this? Why? How can you know? Me and him bobbed heads quite a few times online, and then he, he was at the conference I was at a couple days ago. It was the first time I met him. Yeah. Yeah. We shook, we shook hands and became friends in, in that sense. I, I don't agree with him, and I think MH370 is fake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I feel the same way. And I'm still happy to talk to the guy, but like, so I feel like those are the two, the two failure. But, but, but the Brown stuff, I, I'm pretty sure is real. Yes. I'm pretty sure it was classified. And then to me, it's just a black box as to where that, what happened next. And we were talking earlier about the disclosure stuff that felt like, I'll [ __ ] talk to anybody. I don't care who they are, or what their past is, or whatever. The Brown stuff for me popped. It was like the most orthogonal to like all of the like [ __ ] getting like quote unquote like, you know, seeming, you know, like it was like this came out of left field. So like, I know that [ __ ]'s [ __ ] real. It wasn't like somebody came out and was doing like the circuit of interviews and like saying something. There's a trail of receipts for that. Like, absolutely. So I, I'm really high conviction in that. And then beyond that, man, I don't [ __ ] know. And it frustrates me, and I wish we could make prog. I don't know. What do you think?

No, Mom. I'm in agreement with you. I find it fascinating, like where do these stories come from? Like, you know, the idea of like the, the VR discs and, you know, like the, the Nazi bell, and, you know, so what's the origin point for this? Is it disinformation? Is it a smokescreen from Western intelligence? You know, during Paperclip, and like, right, let's say this stuff, and we'll do this stuff over here. Look at the right hand while the left hand's doing something else. You know what I mean? Like, I think that there is a, a hell of a lot of, um, kind of smokescreening involved in some of these lore laws within ufology because it's about trying to protect the technology and and keep it away from people. So distraction techniques that will send someone off on a paper trail that leads nowhere. Yes. You know what I mean? And I, I do wonder if, you know, if you believe, I believe in non-human intelligence. I think that that is totally real. I've seen enough with my own eyes, man. Like, orbs hover over my house. There you go. So that's a firsthand experience that you have to trust. And I am somewhat sympathetic to the three-body problem narrative in that, like, I think, um, science is much weirder than meets the eye, and if it pattern matches to revelation when these scientists have their discoveries. So I wonder if they have their own counter-intel for some of this science, possibly disseminated in this slow drip, and it's not maybe the Philip Corso clean narrative where it's like, just based on metamaterials that we're reverse engineering. It's more like mental, like you get a download for a thing, and then it gets like unlocked. And where did that come from exactly? Yeah. I, I find that interesting. It's not just us that might be doing the OP. It might be something else doing the OP.

Well, it's it's funny. Eric Davis, you know, went in front of, uh, Congress or whatever. And like, the whole thing was kind of this weird dog and pony show. I think Congress is like, really dumb on a lot of this stuff. But the, my favorite line from from his, and I have disagreements with him all on the Brown stuff, but like, uh, uh, my favorite statement of him was he goes, "The NHI are controlling disclosure," which I loved. And that's [ __ ] true, man. And I, I don't think, like, that's why I, you know, well, do you remember Obama on his Jimmy Kimmel? And it's like, you do it with a smile, but what are you really saying where he's like, "The aliens won't let it happen." They, uh, Oh, they exercise strict control over us. Wait, wait, wait. I have a crazy story about. Yeah. Yeah. Is off time now. Can I say one thing? Okay. My crazy, my crazy story on that is I have a friend who I think heard from Eddie Vedder, the Pearl Jam guy. Huh? He was at a campfire with, uh, Obama, and like, everybody was kind of wasted or something, and Obama, and he was like, "Dude, I got to know, like, what's actually going on?" And Obama goes, "Read The Three-Body Problem." No [ __ ] Yes. No [ __ ] Yes. Wow. And Obama's now his production company's doing a movie on Betty and Barney Hill. And talk about predictive programming. And they did they did the, um, "Leave the World Behind." "Leave the World Behind," like the grid goes down, like, like, basically the step-by-step to destabilize a nation. Like, yes. Go on, brother. We go. We go first.

So, the three-body problem, as far as, as far as the impossibility of faster than light, I don't buy. Or the dark, the dark forest thing. That's some [ __ ] from psychopath serpent race people. But the Sans, remember the Sans? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The they were using Adams coming into the messing fundamental physics. And they're called Sans. Is that not the guy who told, what's his name about Atlantis? Son. Oh, I don't know. Is it? Yeah. Son told Oh, no. Solon. Solon. Oh, so, yeah. So, but the Sofans, the thing Mark Andreessen, in an interview with Barry Weiss, he said he wanted to work on AI, and they go, "No, don't bother. We're only going to let two or three guys do it and do like, you know, a state capitalist thing." Oh, yeah. Yeah. He goes, "What do you mean?" And he goes, "Classified physics." Yeah. We classified a whole area of physics back in the Cold War. No problem. Yeah. In your school, the three states of matter I learned: water and steam and ice, but plasma, which is the fourth state of matter, we didn't really get into that ever. No, we don't. And that's where a lot of secrecy lies. And you did something on Kenneth's shoulder. Exotic vacuum object. Yeah, I. Well, I, I mean, like, I can't really claim that I did it. I've had some guests on like a pretty mysterious guy called Mr. X. That's right. Yeah, dude. That was that was back in the day. That was when I was first getting linked up with Richard Dolan. And Mr. X, who just doesn't want to be named, he's not a government guy. He's just, he's a savant. He's really is a savant. Um, he did so much work on EVOs, exotic vacuum objects, and this like self-organizing plasma. And like, if you want to hear like deep dives into the technicalities of what plasma might be, like check out my oldest interviews with Mr. X from like four years back, five years back. Like, that dude's a fountain of knowledge. But, um, yeah, like the Sapphire project and things like this popped up for a bit, like, you know, we're balling the stars. We're doing it. Gone. Yeah. H put got involved with that, um, project for a little bit. Sapphire. He's got his hands in. He's always showing up.

Your story about the, about first of all, Peru. I didn't know you just went to Peru. That's [ __ ] crazy. That's where we get the name, you know. Did they still talk about Amaru at all? Amaru, their god? Oh, no. Not too much. America's named after. Oh. Oh, wow. Is that true? Yeah. That. Wow. Yeah. Marco Polo changed his name to be more like that, not the other way around. Yeah. Yeah. Have you been to Peru? No. My good friend is on my list, man. I need to go out there. You got to go check out the mummies. He used to tell me crazy stuff about it all the time. I didn't believe him back then 'cause I wouldn't have believed none of this stuff. I would be like dismissive of all the things that you're saying like 20 years ago. I go, "There's nothing."

Were you like a normie back in the day? To a degree. Really? I can't be. I was a minister. I used to be a Jehovah's Witness. I was a minister. Right. Right. I stopped when I was 20. I read the Bible. Mom, you were a minister? Yeah. Everybody knocks on your door, you get baptized. Minister. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, man, a lot. What, what woke you up? What took you out? Yeah. Of that. Yeah. Oh, [ __ ] It was just [ __ ] It wasn't any. But, but you have to understand, if I believe something and I'm in a cult, okay? And I call, the reason I call it a cult is because you actually have to do the religion. That's the only reason I call it a cult. So my definition is different than a lot of people's. I always want to be Catholic because you don't have to do it, you know? Well, that must be fun. Just say you're sorry when you die. But you couldn't have talked me out of it. You couldn't have talked me out of it. You could go, me show me all the evidence. You don't leave the cult till it don't work for you the way they said it was going to work for you. They tell you it's the answer to everything. All the answers. And then when it don't work, that's when you go out of it. Okay. So, that's when I left.

Now, that thing you said about the underground, the Ant People, and I didn't know they said they were sinister. Um, they did. That, that particular tribe did. They were just like, "Don't [ __ ] with it." Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. So, so this is what I'm talking about. Metaphorical overlays. Okay. So they're underground now. I think the little grays are some type of homunculus. If you ever looked at Greta Thunberg, that's the evolutionary pattern of us. Patient zero right there. Well, she's a completely astro construct. Why would I care about anything about her? Because they made that. Yeah, she was grown in like a World Economic Forum. She was vegan too early. So you born into a mold, ve basically. But vegan too early is the same difference. Okay. Um, so they went underground. So, you know, these AI freaks like that, that, uh, creep with the hair lip that made little Sophia? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Little Bath. Oh, the, yeah, the, the seed Africa to map kids' brains. What? Yeah. And use a doll, a doll called Little Sophia. This ass doll. Like to make him think about STEM. Also, Sophia is a Gnostic reference. That's right. For wisdom. Wisdom. And it spies on your underage daughter as it excites her about STEM. It was crazy. Okay. Full speed ahead. All these AI guys goes, "Oh, yeah. It's going to be terrible when they're there." When do you watch these tech guys talk? It's insane. Yeah. They go, "Yeah, first it's going to suck." Yeah. They've all built underground bunkers. You might, yeah. They're ready for that [ __ ]. Yeah. Like the Ant People, you might have heard from those guys. Yeah. Right. You seeing the commonalities here? There's a bunch of rich, high-tech people that are going to transhuman you. You're going to be half an iPhone. Yay. And then it's going to suck, and they're going to go underground when [ __ ] but again, and then they'll come back up and teach the rest of us how to live again. Yeah. Like, well, [ __ ] dude. Like, look for themes. Yeah, man. The details, I don't believe or not believe that that nothing to do with none. You could lie to me. I want to know a new thing I ain't heard yet. That don't make me bored.

Would you guys ever get Neuralink? No. I would never get it. No. I, I interviewed the, the guy that got the first one. Yeah. How was it? Yeah. Yeah. Nola Darbar, like something like that, 'cause he had a couple that went loose. A couple of the first loose. Yeah, he was the first one. Very first. Oh, the real first ones. Right. Okay. Right. Yeah. When Kyle worked for Polaroid, uh, he went, he was very jealous of his girlfriend or something, and he went to a therapist to help him with that, and unfortunately, his, his psychologist was worked for the CIA, and they put a chip in his skull without telling him. What? Because, uh, Carlos Delgado has that. Ever see the video of the bull, and they can stop its aggression? They can make it not violent. Carlos Delgado, CIA. Great. And, uh, Okay, this is wild. They put it in his head. It was a disaster. And the microwaves that are beaming the [ __ ] to the head were giving him horrible pain. He's a real smart guy. Yeah. It turns his brain into Joe Biden soup. He ends up in a, in a booby hatch. Um, people come to visit him. This all, I'm telling you the truth. He has a metal garbage can on his head because even though he's crazy, he's smart enough to know it blocks what they're doing. Really? So, ready? Wait, wait, wait for the punch line, dude. Tin foil hat. So, then they started giving him tinfoil instead. No [ __ ]. And that's where we get tin foil hat from, the CIA mutilating an American citizen. And it's a big joke now. Isn't that funny? Is that true? I just told you it's true three times. That's crazy. Yeah. So, I like to dress up like a clown and tell people these things 'cause they can't believe it. Did you like my Hannibal Lecter shirt that I wore? My old band. Google it. Nice. Yeah. So, a thing we mock was someone mutilated by intel service, but they're going to tell you the truth about UFOs. I'm sure they will.

I thought you, you were a minister. Yeah. Wow. But could you imagine his [ __ ] uh, his, uh, what do you call it? Yo, you guys hit like three things that I'm like, "Oh my god." I, it was like fascinating, like hearing this [ __ ]. Like, uh, 'cause I know a lot of this [ __ ], dude. But, well, let's go to, we go to dinner tonight. Yeah. We'll go pieces. And I just, like I said, I don't care who anybody likes, right? Or what, what do I give a [ __ ] I just want data. Give me that data. However, I got to get it. I'm going to find it. I don't know why I'm obsessed with it, but, uh, I am. I hate you. Yeah. And so, there's people are gonna, as soon as you, who, who here, raise your hand if someone from somewhere like DoD or D, uh, was it, did someone from one of three letter agencies can maybe met you somewhere and go, "Hey, I just want to tell you, like, you're about 80% right your analysis," 'cause I've heard someone else happened to me a bunch of times. It's happened to you. Did you get a nice 80%? The guy said to me, "Well, I got told that I was flagged as a Russian disinformation platform by the DoD, apparently, but they're still letting me in the country." So I was flagged as Russian, according to someone who had like contacts in the DoD who said, "Uh, oh, yeah, no, we love Project Unity, but we can't actually watch it because it's been flagged as a Russian disinformation platform." I don't know how true that is, but that's what I was related.

I have, I have a bunch of like Twitter bots calling me Russian disinfo. Yeah, I've seen you saying that, dude. I've seen you saying that [ __ ]. Yeah. No, I mean like, you know, I think at a certain point when you talk about these kind of subjects and you hit a certain perception, everyone's like, "Oh, he's controlled opposition. Oh, he's this, he's that. He's the other." I've heard it about you as well, bro. So, like, I know the people, what you learn is the way this system works. Yeah, dude. A lot of victim per, not you, I'm not calling anybody per, but perpetrators are victims as well of it. That's how the pyramid system works. A bunch of the whole reason way it's designed is the compartmentalization levels are so that you don't know anything. So people go, "Oh, he knows that guy. I know all kinds of rich, famous people." That don't mean [ __ ], dude. Jack Kross, who I think is very good info, thinks Rogan's a honey trap, right? Rogan's called controlled opposition. Don't listen to none of that. Know by its fruit. So, what are the fruits of what you produced? Does it go nowhere, or did I learn from it? That's all I'm looking at, man.

Well, that's why it's like, Dark Journalist has called me that before, and I'm like, dude, like, you are into the Townsend Brown stuff, and I went way deeper on the same [ __ ] you are. Where's the daylight between us? Like, if you can give me substance on like, how I'm doing it, it's just weird. It's thrown out there pretty, you know, frequently, just like it kind of is. Yeah. Everybody does it for, I get it. But it's sometimes it's like, sometimes it's true, and then sometimes it's some keyboard warrior Reddit mushy-brain push. Most of the time. Most of the time. Have no ego. You have to dissolve your ego to do this. That's what they teach in them. But that's another thing. There's just too many people trying to lop as spooks and spies and they want to be, you know, I'm, I'm close to the insiders. I've got information. And it's like, you are the most easy to [ __ ] with. You realize that, right? That you're so desperate to be involved with these people. They love it because they'll just feed you full of [ __ ], kick you out into the world and say, "Go preach." Yeah. You know what I mean? So many of them. So many of them. You got to be really discerning in this subject. And that's something that I've done as well. I've made mistakes. I've had people on like, there was that DARPA dude that I had on turned out to not be from DARPA because I got a [ __ ] email from DARPA. I got emailed by the security manager of DARPA. He was like, "I'm really sorry to email you, but we've just seen your video, and this guy has never worked for DARPA." Who is it? Michael. Yeah, watch out for that [ __ ]. He's a Scientologist. I think he's just out there trying to spread his like agenda, but I was, I was actually, I won't say who told me he was at DARPA, but it was someone that I actually did trust. He was in the IC, who we've brought up his name on this show. And he was like, "Oh, no, you need to get him on." And I just didn't do my due diligence. Got him on, and then boom, turns out he's full of [ __ ].

If you cover this stuff, you're going to swing at some bad, swing at some bad. Exactly. I've definitely gotten [ __ ] wrong. The healthiest thing to do as a normal person is just to go, "I got got. I'm sorry. I'm not perfect. I got got." And, you know, so many people refuse to like do that. And when I was being [ __ ] with by the. It's like, no, just, just admit you made a mistake. You're doing real well. You're going to get [ __ ] with. I don't care if you're wrong. You could be wrong. Who made up this thing? You can't be wrong. Like that [ __ ]. Exactly. Yeah. The Nazis are going to come to the Atlantis. Remember that [ __ ]. Yeah, dude. Like, you know, that's an obvious op to smear you. You're allowed to make mistakes. Yeah. So, I care if you lied to me. Joe Rogan, who's not a scientist, he didn't make a single mistake about CO. Not one. He was crushing it. It was pretty, pretty rare. All the people that talk about science to me, I want to know if you got your booster. And I want to know if women have dicks or not. Okay. We need to establish a baseline sens. Oh, they do? I guess anything's possible. They're all, they're all as [ __ ] crazy as each other. But, you know, I get what you're saying. Uh, it's just we live in a doggy dog. The, it's the Hobbesian Leviathan. The system set up. It's how you divide the population to rule.

But that's what I think the judo move is, the failure mode on what we're talking about is caring too much about the disinformation or the intel or whatever where it's like, the or the cool thing is to just be in your like locally good, positive bubble and just search for truth and just do your thing. Well, that's honestly, again, that's that's why I've stepped a bit away from UFOs and that kind of subject because it's just like full to the brim with intelligence spies and spooks, and it's like, I find it really refreshing to be looking at ancient history, and not only is there like an actual data trail, but no one's trying to [ __ ] with me in the same level. No one's trying to influence my stuff as much as they were when I was doing UFOs, and I just feel like there's really good signatures in ancient history to say like, the models are wrong. Like, there's, there's evidence that the models are wrong.

With a meditative state and made requests for something to turn up and float down and hover above my house in the first place. Picked up a camera phone, put it on a tree branch and was like, "Hey guys, I'm a person. This happened to me." And then suddenly you get thrown into this world of like espionage and spooks and spies, and it's exciting, but you come out on the end of that and you're like, "I didn't actually learn anything from these guys." Like, you know what I mean? Lost like AJ. Yeah, dude. So, like, I find it refreshing to step into another subject where it's like, there's an anomaly. There's something to look at here, but there's actually some pretty good evidence for it. And then it ties into the Anunnaki, the Sumerians, or the the Watchers. It's like, there's a connection. But this modern stuff just feels like it's been CIA sealed and packaged to send out to us to just kind of like, there's a lot of that. But push back slightly, like Robert Hastings and the nuclear stuff, like extremely grounded patterns of like these guys who, if you speak to any of these Q-cleared guys, they're, they don't have any counter-intel background. Yeah. No, not all of them. I'm not throwing every single one. I'm not throwing every single one of them under the bus. Not, not at all. I just feel like the UFO community is specifically populated with a lot of intelligence influence. You have to be so careful who you trust, who you listen to. Yeah. No.

And it's what I don't like about it is it's like, uh, there, it's like there are like channels that are deemed that are seemed like, I, I always, the thing that's made me uncomfortable about this year is I want to off myself as some like, like I don't want anybody to see me. That's why I have, you know, Kurt on my shirt. I have no respect. No, this is beautiful. It'll, it'll, it'll give me, it'll give me a healthy taste. Which is a pro, destroyed your career today. Fantastic. No, no. I, I think it, I think I, I think it's great because it's like, you don't want to be the guy. You don't want, it's the worst position. No, you don't, because then you'll just get shot down the moment you make a mistake or, you know. Yeah. No, exactly. And that's, and it's good to intersperse the seriousness with a bit of [ __ ] levity. Because just from being on stage, dude, if you're going to get your feelings hurt, you don't. I'm a clown for a living. So, I don't get to have dignity, you know? So, what happens online? And by the way, it's part of the DARPA. We want to talk about DARPA [ __ ] to get you pulled into a nonsense spinning sans endless wheel. That's very much like the cycle of reincarnation, right? And you're in a prison and you got to go back. All these spiritual things you, hey, unified field theory is as above so below, I think. Yeah. Because you can scale this [ __ ] up and down, and you can see what the picture is, but you got to look at other [ __ ]. You, dude, I read the Bible a lot, and, and me trying to reconcile all these different things, then you start to see, and once you know who gets paid for doing what, and you can start putting it together, it's not beyond you to put it together. It's not 100%.

On that beautiful note, damn. How long we've been going for? My girl's mad. She didn't work experience, and she's impatient with this. Okay. Okay. Well, it's crazy. Yeah, it's been, it's been dope. Jay Anderson, Project Unity, Kurt Metzger. Thanks, brother. Yeah, dude. Good to meet you. I got you, too. Please for for a meal or something. Yeah. Hell yeah. We'll get dinner. Appreciate you guys. That was, yeah, that was really good. They're crazy.