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Look, Ali abi, at me. I've returned. [Music] I'm back. [Music] I'm Ömer. I'm watching as if I haven't acted. That's also interesting. I looked and I was crying. Ezel had a very different drama, a very different intelligence, a different challenge. The strength, intelligence, and skill to cope with every problem of a man, behind his stylish demeanor, that wounded side of Ezel deeply affected me. Who is the real enemy? Me. Me. Dayı, I did it myself. I killed my brother. Who would be missing from this cast? In my opinion, if Tuncel Kurtiz wasn't there, it would be very incomplete. What does Eyşan's death mean to Ezel? Ezel's death means [Music]. Turkey's most loved online market, Migros, presents. Ömer was a good kid, but he had a fatal flaw. He trusted people too much. Just because he loved them, he thought he knew them. If I could turn back time and tell him, I would say, "Ömer," I would say, "Every betrayal starts with love." [Music] Does every betrayal start with love? Doesn't betrayal itself require closeness? I mean, someone you don't know can't betray you. Someone very close to you can betray you. Therefore, there must be love and affection between you. If there's no love, it's not called betrayal. It has to be someone close for it to be betrayal. Otherwise, you'd say, "They treated me badly, they wronged me, they upset me, they screwed me over, etc." But if your friend, someone close, does this, it's betrayal. With your friend or your love, there's definitely love between you. How did you meet Ezel? Actually, at that time, both the producer Kerem Çatay and I were in the military. They contacted me, but they learned I was in the military. Then they said, "What will we do? We can't wait a year. Let's continue with another actor." But they didn't erase my work. Then Ay Yapım changed their mind again and decided to wait for me. I came back from the military. At that time, a friend who had read it told me, "You must read this project, it's very interesting." But at that time, I had a flirtation with another producer, not a contract, but a verbal understanding that we could work together. That's why I didn't want to read the script because I was prioritizing the other producer. I mean, eventually, a word came out of my mouth, and so on. Then I read the script. I was truly very impressed. I liked it a lot. I told that other producer, "I read a script, I liked it a lot, but I'm waiting for your news, abi." Then he said, "Give me until May." I said, "Okay." I waited until May. From February to May, he would come from there, read it, and I said, "Still this..." "Ezel, I ask your permission, I will do this job." And Ezel entered my life like that. Ezel had a very different drama, a very different intelligence, a different challenge. It was written with a math that we hadn't seen much in Turkish series until today. That was truly Kerem Dere's genius. What makes a job very strong in the first place is its script. That script then gathers good actors and a good director. The person who builds this whole ensemble around it is the producer. It's hard for a bad job to come out of there. But if there's no good script, no matter how good the team or how good the director, it's hard for even a mediocre job to come out. I still can't forget how a man with the strength, intelligence, and skill to cope with every problem suddenly became helpless because of his love, how his hands and feet went numb, how he couldn't forget even after 10 years, despite being betrayed, that passion, that love, I even call it a dark love. Behind all his cool and stylish demeanor, that wounded side of Ezel deeply affected me. Of course, who do you think Ömer was most hurt by? Kerpeten Ali's betrayal hurt him a lot. Eyşan was his love. Eyşan could do anything. Despite that, he was still in love with her out of passion and love. Ezel continued as his heir. Cengiz was the naughty child of the family. You could expect all sorts of games, tricks, and mischief from Cengiz. Kerpeten taught the honesty, the physical strength, the hard work of the street fights, the principles that are in the minds of the Turkish people, the Turkish youth. The fact that he completely deviated from what abi taught him, that he betrayed him, that he betrayed his brother, was very heavy for Ömer. There's a scene where Kerpeten Ali, Ezel tells him he is Ömer. Shall we watch it? Look me in the eye. Look me in the eye, Ali abi. Look at me. Look at me. Kerpeten abi, look at me. No, it can't be like that, lan. You made me believe it, lan. You remember, right? Look at me. I don't look like myself, but you remembered me, right? The first day you saw me, you remembered, right? No, Ali abi, Ali abi, look at me. I'm back. [Music] I'm back. I'm Ömer. [Music] I'm watching the series for the first time as if I've never seen it before. I'm watching as if I haven't acted. That's also interesting. If he could explain this scene to us. Before that scene, we had a park scene, maybe 5 episodes. Barış Falay always used to say to me, "You get into these rich, cool poses, but I smell the streets from you. I know what you are." We had a challenge that started from there. "One day we'll go into a room together, and we'll talk about everything openly. Let's see who will stand in the room." Those expensive cars, those nice perfumes won't fool me. I can smell your street scent underneath. One day, we'll open a door together, we'll go into a room, and we'll talk about whatever you want." Ömer, how could his brother Kerpeten do this? He struggled a lot there. He wants to hurt him a lot, but he keeps probing them intermittently, you know, from his mother to Eyşan, to Cengiz. How was it? "Actually, Ömer was my closest friend. If he were here today, I would tell Ömer, 'Don't do it.'" He's still affected by that. He's trying to find a valid reason why they did it. That was Ömer's biggest obsession. Why? Why? Was it just for money? He couldn't convince himself. And the fact that people sell their friends for so much money, power, and comfort angered him a lot. Of course, while he was trying to find meaning, Dayı said, "Betrayal is betrayal. Don't try to find meaning in these things and absolve yourself." And he went after it. That's why the confrontation with Kerpeten was very difficult. Until then, he was always looking down on him, trying to hurt him. Because he wanted to move up a class, in his own way. But he always hurt him by saying, "My place is set." And here, at the finale, from now on, we walked shoulder to shoulder. We had another fight scene with Kerpeten. Seeing the speed here reminded me of that. We were arguing again somewhere. He attacks me. Then I pick him up and put him in the car. Then Barış Falay told me, "Lift my feet off the ground." I said, "Barış, don't exaggerate. How can you lift a 70-80 kilo man by the collar?" He said, "I swear, my feet were off the ground." I said, "Okay, let's see." Then we looked at the general shot. I had really lifted him and put him down. In that moment of anger, with Ezel's work and Ömer's anger underneath, I had really lifted Barış Falay, his feet were off the ground, and I had leaned him against the car. There were moments when we got carried away by the emotions. Ömer has a saying: "Never tell another lie, because I'll believe it." Does that apply to Ezel too? Absolutely. It applies to Ömer. Ezel learned very clearly what not to do or what not to believe by looking at Ömer. Thanks to his friends and his love, they taught him very clearly what should be done to him. Are you happy? I've never been this happy. Then remember very well how you feel now. Never forget it, because you'll never feel like this again. We'll be even happier. You'll never be happy again, because the game is over. [Music] Sometimes you're not funny at all. Ezel, Ezel, I wanted to see myself. My daughter, Ömer's will. I wanted to see justice served. [Music] Ezel, tell the truth. Did they make you do it by force? Did you cheat by force, abi? The scene that cooled our insides. Yes. What have we become? What have we become? What am I doing to you? You were the crown of my head. Now you've become the woman he left on the ground. Thinking of Ömer and Ezel side by side, Ömer was naive, well-intentioned, perhaps a bit clumsy because he knew his limits, perhaps not brave enough due to his family upbringing. He was a child who always used his angels, never his devil. But after this very heavy blow, with his transformation into Ezel and Dayı's vast knowledge and his tutelage, Ömer had none of those weaknesses. Ezel had the intelligence of a devil. Dayı also opened his horizons with the paths he paved. But he also had this state. Inside, he was Ömer. As Serdar said, his exterior was Ezel, but his interior was purely Ömer. He described a man who started lying very well, who enjoyed taking people up to the peak, to the happiest place, and then dropping them suddenly. He would throw them, but as they were falling, he would start to feel sorry for them, thinking, "Should I hold them back?" The scenes where Ezel revealed he was Ömer were magnificent. We just watched the scene he told Kerpeten. There's also the scene he told Cengiz. "Bring me a sandwich to the garage in the evening. Ask about the drawer I reserved for you in my room. How do you know how we grew up? Ask." You can't be. Ask me what I did. You said you'd go into the dark and wouldn't leave. Why? I said if he goes, I go too. You are the one, brother. At least you could have matched my name. Ali, Cengiz. If these two come together, will an Ali Cengiz game come out? He suspected that too. After all Ezel has been through, is there anyone he still trusts? His mother, Melia, probably. His father also became convinced that Ömer could commit that murder. He has a break with his father regarding that. But his mother never gave up on him. And this is truly one of the episodes that affected me the most in this series. In Ezel, episode 5, his mother comes to Eyşan's house, wondering if it's Ömer. Then Ezel says, "I heard, condolences, I'm very sorry." The mother still smells him. Ezel insists, "My name is Ezel." Then the mother returns home. We see her crying. She has locked the door. Her life is a mess. Because she still believes, on one hand, "My son didn't die, my innocent son." She feels his scent at the entrance of the house. Then we see Ezel crying uncontrollably for the first time, walking alone on İstiklal Avenue. Then the mother reaches into her pocket for a handkerchief and takes out a ring. When I read that episode, I was truly very moved. I said, "This job is going somewhere else." Because in the previous scene, you say, "Damn it, tell your mother, whisper, 'I'm Ömer.'" He brings the entire audience to that emotion. Even the actors. But then, "Damn, you cruel man. He doesn't tell his mother either, so his game isn't spoiled." Then, when the ring came out of his pocket, Melia was crying on one side, and I was crying on the other, thinking, "We're reunited, mother." Was Ezel a winner or a loser? Ömer was the loser. If you think about what he won and what he lost, Ezel set out with a story of revenge. And he achieved it, but he hurt many people. In that sense, he took his revenge, and Ezel was in a state of settling scores at the end of the day. But what happened to that love? What happened to those relationships? There was poetry, literature in Ezel. There were many flashbacks. And the first memorization is always this: in the world of television, in series, our viewers don't like flashbacks, they don't like poetry and literature. It should be written more simply. At first, my fear was, "The job is very cool, but will we be able to convey that emotion to people?" And I had this concern. But Mümtaz says it at the beginning: "Father, gambling is forbidden. No good will come from money earned through gambling." Now, Ezel appears as a gambler. For the first time, a hero of ours, a gambler character, appears in Turkish series. Compared to the characters I played before, if he saw a wound, he wouldn't care about it. It had become a tool to establish relationships with people like Cengiz. But when people saw the wound inside him, they didn't care about gambling or anything else. We were all on set, eagerly awaiting the next episode. "Episode 5 ended. How will episode 6 start? Will the whole game be revealed now?" There was a cliffhanger there. The game wasn't revealed. Ezel saved the situation again. "Oh, will everything be revealed like this?" We were making predictions and eagerly awaiting the script. The other day, before coming here, I was watching it to remember it generally. In episode 5, the scene where the mother finds the ring, I looked and I was crying. I said, "What's happening? Kenan, calm down. It's already reunited. The job is done." But that emotion passes. After 15 years, Ezel's charm was different. Perhaps the jobs I did before or after received more ratings than Ezel. Deli Yürek received much more ratings. Perhaps the mark Ezel left, the dialogues in Ezel are very much about life. They touch all of us. And people embraced it deeply, internalized it. Even after 15 years, when children see me at a red light, they shout, "Eyşan!" behind me. I say, "These children weren't there when we were shooting this series." Children aged 12-13 shout, "Eyşan, Eyşan!" behind me. Or "Ezel, Ezel!" Dayı comes, they shout. Deli Yürek might have been watched a lot at the time, but perhaps later generations haven't looked at it much, thinking, "Oh, there was such a series." But Ezel is still being watched. If I were to make an Ezel series, I could make about 10 episodes, like a phenomenon. One of them is a scene where Kenan and Haluk Bilginer, Ezel, face each other. A scene where Ezel tells Kenan how he will die. That scene is one of Ezel's most unforgettable scenes. Let's watch it first, then talk about it. You understand me best, Ezel. You know best how revenge blinds a person's eyes. Let's end it. Let's both spare each other's lives. You're right. You and I are more alike than we want to admit. We've been through the same paths. It's not strange that we share the same fate. Yes, it's not. We are the two people who understand each other best. Exactly. You and I are the same. Actually, there's only one difference. What is it? There's something you know that I don't. Ask. I'll tell you. Let's be equal. You will know how you will die, Kenan. Because I will tell you now. Why did Ezel never switch to Kenan's side? Even though there's so much similarity, he's a person poisoned by the feeling of revenge as a result of the injustice done to him. And he doesn't have an Ömer in his veins. Kenan, from the moment he started using his devil, he only started listening to the devil. But Ezel always had an Ömer balance. When the revenge dosage increased, when it hurt and upset people a lot, Ömer would bring him back to balance. Even though he was Ezel, he couldn't stand it. But Kenan had completely buried his Ömer. He was a man poisoned by the injustice and revenge he experienced, who had gone to the completely greedy side. If we think of it like the Yin Yang balance, Ömer was a completely white man. Then he moved to the black side, but he preserved the white inside him. Kenan had moved to the black side, but he didn't even have that white dot inside him. That's why their common points were only up to a certain point. They join hands. First Kenan, with Kan. Ah, Kenan, okay, he thinks. He thinks Ezel is also smart. He says, "There's only one difference between us." You know how you will die, but I don't. The issue starts again. Who is the real enemy? Ha, tell me. Who took your brother away from you? Kenan. Do you want to hear that? Kenan, can a person be so unjust? Can a person be so evil? Can a person spread so much evil? Kenan, your brother, Mert, was killed by Dayı. Kenan. Kenan is not enough. Who else is there? Tell me. Who is behind him? Who did you the real harm? Who is closest to you? [Music] You. You are. Your evil. You put revenge in my head, Kenan. You put it in my life. Because of you. Yes, because of you. It's you, Dayı. You're right. But it's not enough. It's not enough. Who is behind me? Who are you really angry at? Who is the real killer? It's you again. Why did you save me? Why did you make me good? Why did you get me out of prison? Ezel, why did you bring me here? Who? Who? Who is the real enemy? Me. Me. Dayı, I did it myself. I killed my brother. I left him. I did it all myself. I killed Mert. My fault started with Kenan. It came to Ramiz. Then who? Who? Who? Did Dayı use Ezel? Kenan. I don't know if we call it using him, but Dayı first kept Ömer alive. Ömer had already given up on life due to the betrayal he experienced, his father's rejection, and his life sentence. He had no condition to flourish, grow, or liven up. But Dayı, by putting the fire of revenge inside him, made an effort for him to live again. He gave him a purpose. Actually, that fire of revenge, on one hand, you take revenge on someone you love dearly. On the other hand, while taking revenge, you are also close to them, around them, you look them in the eye. He had the motivation for revenge, but on the other hand, he also wanted to be with his loved ones. Despite everything, it gave him a reason to live, a purpose in life. Dayı, of course, while giving these things, teaching these things, he also protected his daughter. Ezel was instrumental in that. I don't know if we can call it using him, but Ezel also risked himself a lot, put his hand in the fire, put his head in the line of fire. We didn't see a completely selfish man thinking only of himself there. When you look at it from time to time, it was a win-win journey shoulder to shoulder. I want a song from you, brother. One last song. "There's one more possibility, is it to die?" You'll die anyway. If you don't want him to die either, beg. Relax, brother. I promise I won't do anything to you. Tuncel abi was undergoing radiotherapy. He was coming to the set for those therapies, but he was still working. He was saying, "I'll be fine, son," like a lion. May his soul rest in peace. Tuncel abi, beyond his acting personality, was a very special, very different person as a human being. Tuncel abi was my greatest friend in age, but also my most mischievous, most unpredictable friend. At the same time, he was younger than all of us. That energy inside him. He followed all the youth magazines. He didn't fall behind in anything. He constantly updated himself. Some elders would say, "Why are you wasting time with these things?" He would get interested in things like football games and ask, "How did they do this? Teach me this. Teach me that." He was a man with a very high sense of curiosity. And along with that, of course, he was very disciplined in acting. Tuncel abi, some actors have memorization problems, I think, because they don't work enough. There are some with problems, that's separate. They might not be able to hold it like Erkan, Havuz. But Tuncel abi would write the dialogues for the scene he would play the next day. Then he would play those dialogues, record them on tape, and listen to them. If he didn't like the intonations, he would play them again and again. He would do this for every scene. Tuncel Kurtiz didn't become Tuncel Kurtiz for nothing. There's a God-given talent, a voice. It's not that he used these to improve. He probably worked harder than all of us. Goodbye, vile city. Who won? I won. I buried you all in this city. I'm coming. A person is free while they are alive. I got closer. I'm coming. Every person is a little dead. We are also a little dead. The dead are buried one day. The dead inside us, the dead outside us. A person is free while they are alive. [Music] A person is free while they are alive. A person is free while they are alive. [Music] It was a long scene. We had conversations before this. Very emotional scene, very heavy sentences. But due to a wind from above us, the entire Atatürk Airport line, that Golden Horn line, was turned over. An airplane passed 15 times. Every time an airplane passed, due to the sound, my friends know, we had to stop. We had to go back and continue from there. And it was a scene about 6 pages long. Our pain was already great, and the airplane above was sabotaging us. I thought, "Maybe Dayı doesn't want to die." Life. But despite all that, the scene where Dayı took his last breath was difficult for all of us. It was very difficult to shoot. Who would be missing from this cast? In my opinion, if Tuncel Kurtiz wasn't there, it would be very incomplete. Because everyone fit perfectly. It was like a puzzle completed with millimeter precision. But Tuncer abi was a big piece. Of course, he was a very big piece. His absence would be a big loss. Ramiz Dayı has a grandson, 8. In episode 8, Ezel accidentally kills him. Ezel creates a situation so that he kills him, and in the end, he kills him. Let's watch 8. [Music] Don't do it. [Music] Don't do it to me. Don't do it. [Music] S. [Music] [Music] You did it on purpose. You knew he wouldn't shoot. You did it on purpose. [Music] [Applause] [Music] You did it. Why? Why did you do it, lan? Why did you do it, lan? Why did you do it? Why did you do it? Was this Ramiz Dayı's biggest disappointment with Ezel? Yes. I couldn't understand it either. I couldn't convince you. He was going to kill me. How could you not understand that he wouldn't kill me? He acted very offended, sulked. It was the time when Ramiz and Ezel's relationship broke down. As a viewer, watching it, did it seem to you like 8 wouldn't kill Ramiz Dayı? It never seemed that way to me. For example, until this scene, I thought he would kill him. That feeling was always there. But in this scene, he understood very clearly. Actually, before that, he cries, "Grandpa," he's upset. But due to the pincer movement between Kenan and Ramiz, and how Kenan put 8 in a vise, he couldn't escape. 8 was also a character caught in the middle. In that sense, but after confessing his sins to his grandfather, he couldn't turn his back on Kenan either. His plan to destroy him and trick Ezel. I thought he would kill him, so I made a move. That move wasn't actually a fatal blow. He gave himself a more fatal blow. 8. But I couldn't explain it to Dayı. I mean, if I had made a mistake, maybe Dayı could have turned his back. What was Ezel's biggest fear? Strangely, the inability to reach Eyşan again came to mind. It's interesting. The biggest dream? I'll say Eyşan again. The dream was to take revenge, for everything to be fixed, but to walk hand in hand. It was probably the desire for revenge. Ezel kept saying "revenge, revenge" a lot, but he also knew his weakness. Despite everything, he had been so hardened, he was nowhere to be seen for 10 years. In the first episode, when he made eye contact with Eyşan, the ring fell from his hand. Ezel's hands and feet were all over the place. Shall we kill Eyşan then? Let's not kill her. Let's see if she dies. We're going. To a cover. [Music] Together? Forever? Tell me, this was our honeymoon. We just got married. Eyşan and Ömer's wedding. Right after. You in your wedding dress, me in my train. [Music] We got on the train. My parents are there. They are very happy, seeing us off. All our friends are on the train. All the fights are over. They are all here. They congratulated us. They all loved us. But you were the happiest because I finally got you. I got you. We will never be separated again. We will never leave each other. We are each other. [Music] Heş, heş. [Music] Eyşan, Eyşan. [Applause] [Music] Eyşan. Ah. [Music] Promise. Promise. My love. We will never leave each other again. Wherever you go, I will always come with you. Promise. What does Eyşan's death mean to Ezel? It means Ezel's death too. Maybe Ömer will live again, but in a sense, this is a very difficult question. The biggest reason for Ömer's revenge was his passion and love for Eyşan again. What was his most vulnerable moment? The death of his brother, Mert. That's where it led. The loss of his brother. Dayı also confronted him with that. In the scene you watched, the real reason for all of this is Kenan, you say, Dayı, but the real reason behind it is you. It's this revenge of yours. And that fight with Kenan became so intense that he took your brother to hurt you. Ezel is probably the most betrayed character in television history. Can we say that betrayal was unbearable for him? For Ezel, betrayal was no longer a big deal because he had an immediate answer. Ömer couldn't handle it. Ezel's unbearable thing was his naivety, I would say. Especially the moment he was most unhappy. When everything was supposed to be fine, Eyşan going to Kenan Birkan. I even objected to it as a script. "Eyşan already took her revenge. Should she go to Kenan now? Is that right?" Yes, enough. I mean, I think about it now. No, Eyşan wouldn't go to Kenan. It would be wrong for the series. I had difficulty accepting that. Yes, the question all Ezel viewers are curious about is, will this series continue with the finale? Let's ask Ezel this question first. [Music] Okay. Because in real life, the dead don't talk to us. Love is not stronger than revenge. [Music] There are no friendships strong enough to forgive everything. In the places we live, fathers and sons cannot reunite by conquering death. Can they reunite? Isn't love stronger than revenge? Looking at Ezel, love was strong. They were racing, but love pushed itself forward at the last moment. Kenan, you know. Did Ezel die? I don't think so. Who says he died? Yes, some people think he died. But he didn't. This movement after opening this door suggests that Ezel is still among us. I think it was an open ending, just as it should be. Some say Ezel died. Many people asked me. Some say he didn't. This open ending, for something to happen, for the finale to happen, I think it's better. Leaving it to the audience. The finale is very beautiful. We all did successful work. Years later, as you said, 13 years, 14 years later, new generations are still watching this series and saying things to me on the street. It's a testament to your appreciation. We did our best. Looking back now, yes, a special job was done. It's not a job that can always be done. It's a job that emerged from the meeting of many important values at the same time. That's why they have been watching for years, and new viewers are also joining. I thank them all from the bottom of my heart. You deserve it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Turkey's most loved online market, Migros, presented. [Music] Foreign. [Music]