G Herbo On Fraud Case, Drill Music, Funny Marco, Chicago, Fatherhood, PTSD & More | Drink Champs

[Music] Killer beat in the hood. [Music] So Yay said something. I say, "Oh, look, I was right." [Music] This what it good be, be. It's your boy, N.O.R.E. What up? It's DJ EFN, and this MilitYpp will make [Applause] something. Now, this brother here, man, comes from one of the craziest cities in the world. He's been putting this down since 2011. Everybody in the industry, nobody has nothing bad to say about him. Did I, did I come across with this? This is our first episode of 2024. We are so happy to be back and to introduce Shot Town's own, the one and only, G Herbo.

What's going on? What's going on? What's the word, big bro? What's going on?

Good man. I'm happy to be here, man.

Okay, you and Funk Flex, y'all good?

Yeah, hell yeah, man. I saw that today, too. So what happened? Just tell the people, 'cause I, I, I know you did a phone call like explaining some of it, but Jamie, can I get a drink? I want the uh, uh, stories with uh, club soda.

Unlimited. Go ahead.

So what happened? So look, Marco, first and foremost, like that's my man. We already had a relationship prior to doing the interview and [ __ ]. So originally, Sizzle was supposed to do the interview, like the episode, and they had like his production staff told us to like TR him, like it was supposed to be a surprise to come on there to troll him. We just on [ __ ] with bro, you feel I'm saying? But we was a little like off the Sal, we I'm saying, with a little extra overboard. But the whole thing was to come on there and like intimidate him on his own show, like pulling him on him, put a h on him, do him. And we, we spoke to him like before it even came out, and you know what I'm saying, we was good, like feel me. I ain't know if it was like a confusion between our staff and his production team where they was thinking we didn't want it to come out. We was like, "No, it's cool, we ain't really tripping," you feel what I'm saying? Like public perception and what people going to take from it, that's another thing, but that's the name of the game. That's what comes with it, you feel I'm saying? We got to be able to take that, you feel? But it, it wasn't like no bad blood or no no [ __ ] like that, you know what I'm saying? Like I know they was, 'cause he was saying like after it came out, "Mother f----r, was like, 'No, take it down, take it down, like never do that.' I never tell, like, 'Bro, you got us looking crazy [ __ ] like that.'" It was still all up.

You say, was you surprised how viral that went?

Yeah, I was. I lie. Where was you at when I was, when it happened?

I was, I mean, like when I was in Atlanta, I had hit him, like I had hit him and told him like, "No, it's good," you feel what I'm saying? Like the [ __ ] with, with, with the watch and all that [ __ ]. We like, "Bro, I got you [ __ ], you know what I'm saying?" You throw his hat or something at one point, bro. I, we, so what you to say? But no, I was like, "It's all love, bro, like I, I know like how it came out to the internet, it looked like [ __ ] was on some bullying [ __ ]."

Yeah, that's, that's that was a word that was thrown around a lot was bullying, and that's what, that's when I really like took it serious, but I ain't want to like put nothing on the internet or like I don't know how to really play the internet game, know I'm saying? Like go back and forth, even when it's defending myself, like you know what I'm saying? I know if it's real love between me and BR, we got to understand that was that matter to me as long as he knew it, the respect between us was still saying. I mean, me as a outside of looking in, that I saw it, I thought that's was a joke that everybody was in on, in on it, right?

I'm telling you, like it was, he always that to come and like troll him and intimidate him on the show, but then when they tried to spin it like we was on some bullying [ __ ], that's when I'm like, "No, I ain't really with that, you feel me? 'Cause I got fans that probably, you know what I'm saying, got situations with bullying, and I ain't with that. I got kids, feel me, right?"

'Cause he always does that awkward stare, right? Like he, like, like he try to make you seem like you ain't making sense. That's why I'm scared of that show. That's his whole interview style. You got to really like, got like the people who have the best interviews with him, the people who could like troll him back, trying to switch it back on.

Yeah, that's what we thought, right? Let's make some noise for you, man. You him back now. Now we all heard the rumors of uh, you supposed to be going to jail for 5 years. By the grace of God, you know what I mean? You [ __ ] got you. Can't you, you was on vacation, but you left on probation.

Goddamn. Goddamn it. Drink to that. Go-damn Jesus. Wa-oh [ __ ] that she swling like the Catwoman. Holy moly. So how, what happened? Like you got to be [ __ ] htic, man.

Hell yeah, man. You know, God, man, for real. Got to get all praise to God for sure. But just, you know, staying Al, stay in the course and a lot of money for sure. You what I'm saying? SP a lot of money to stay free. And at the end of the day, it was taking accountability, you feel me? For a minor role in some [ __ ], you know what I'm saying? And just me being a kid, being I to the fact I don't like everybody that know me, and I'm being personal, like I this some [ __ ]. I really was able to sit across from my judge and tell them like, you know what I'm saying, I barely know I use my cell phone, like I ain't never committed fried against nobody, you know what I'm saying? Being sincere, you feel me? Like I was accepted full accountability for whatever my role was in the whole situation, you feel what I'm saying? I wasn't doing that to further my career, nothing like that.

Thought you was doing PPP loans.

Yeah, n they thought I was doing some [ __ ], like basically using funds or fraud or cards or whatever identity of some [ __ ] to fund videos and [ __ ] like that. I've been making money since I was 16 years old off rap already. I was already well off when that whole situation C, you feel what I'm saying? It was basically me paying for goods, like basically like if I'm a jet, I'm paying half for the [ __ ], like if it's 40,000, I paid 20,000. I got to have cash already to do this [ __ ], you feel what I'm saying? So it's like it was a situation like that, but I was 17, 18 at the time. I'm 28, you feel me? My judge, no, I never even think about committing any type of crimes. I'm a real, feel saying, father, all and citizen. I pay taxes, you feel what I'm saying? So it's like it's really just was me accepting full accountability as a man and my and my judge really knowing, you know what I'm saying, I'm trying to St straight and be on the up and up, you feel me? And really, I, I believe in being vulnerable and just talking about situations 'cause I, you know, it'll help the Next Generation. It'll help the you somebody looking up to me, feel what I'm saying? Because you got to just accept and whatever role or whatever you do in life and whatever it is you got to be able to just stand up and take whatever a punishment if there is a punishment, you feel I'm saying? And my judge knew I was willing to do that, and by the grace of God, he let me walk out.

White judge. White judge. Make some noise for a white judge. I don't know. Make some noise for the judge. Jud. Make some noise for my judge.

Sure. He definitely gave me grace, you feel what I'm saying? I had my family in there, and I was able to walk out a free man, right? N goddamn it. Goddamn. Y' one thing that's just so like, um, me going through life, right? I always know like the guy with the ice grill, he probably not the guy that like, he, he's, he's throwing up a front. One thing about you, you smile, and I believe you smile.

Yeah, that lets me know that you been through a lot.

Appreciate it, bro. 'Cause when a [ __ ] can smile and it's sincere, like when you smile, I smile. Like I be seeing you like, I be like, "Yeah, [ __ ], I don't know what you going through." I, you listen to my song one day, you was having a in Puerto Rico, you having a goddamn ball. I was like, "Damn, why I'm not, I'm not there." But app, I can tell without you, you, you know, you don't have to be bragging or whatever, whatever. I could tell you've been through things. Is, is rap something that is, is it all that you, you thought it was going to be?

Yeah, I did. It's like on the, on the flip side though, like meaning like what I mean, what I mean, what I thought it was going to be as far as like the, the pros that come with it, no, but just the responsibility and what you take on and just like actually like I believe in like purpose, and that's like I really feel like I was meant to do everything I'm doing, that with all adversity, everything I ever had to overcome, that's why I'm able to smile. That's why I just be so grateful for any situation. I take the bad with the good, and I don't really look at the bad like it's a bad. I just try to learn whatever situation I'm going through so I can come out on top of it, like that's why I'm able to just be able to smile through all the [ __ ]. So what I mean, like I, I felt like what I mean by when I said yeah, that it was everything I thought it was going to be because I really Vision had vision for this, even as a when I first like made a decision like, all right, but I'm going to really do this rap sh--.

And what age was that when you made that decision?

Con. Yeah, like on the serious tip, like yeah, like 16 years old, 16, 17 years old, for real, for real. It's like I always had the vision to be this one day, like I always wanted to do it the independent route, bet on myself, you feel, feel what I'm saying? I always hear aspirations of being able to be in the conversation with like, you know what I'm saying, my peers and the greatest, like I'm saying this 'cause I'm a humble [ __ ], I don't want to jump the gun, but I always wanted to be considered like a legend, like I looked up to the hoes, the way and I want to be considered like one of you.

A legend. [ __ ] You a legend. [ __ ] You hear that? That's where you at. That's where the [ __ ] we at, brother. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You got me Hy, for real though, bro. So I knew what it was going to take to get there, so I took everything that came with this [ __ ], all the ugly, and I never complain about it. I just did it, and it always benefited me 'cause now I'm here, like you said, you feel what I'm saying? So it's like that's what I mean on the flip side of it, 'cause it ain't always like glitter and gold, people on the outside looking in, they think this [ __ ] sweet, like it's, you feel I'm saying?

What's some of the ugly? So people could...

The ugly is just being able to, to, to take a loss, whatever the loss is, you feel what I'm saying? Because all this [ __ ] come with losses and trials and tribulations and being able to take that, especially as a man and a leader, like I was just talking to my brother the other day, like everybody don't got the ability to be able to lead in general, like not even with no music, just your household, everybody in the family. I just told him like everybody going to stop what they doing and follow you if that's what you say, if they, if you say go left, you people going to go left, like the ability to lead, I always had that, so when you got that, it's a lot of weight that come on your shoulder, you responsibility. I've been in that road since I was 16, 17 years old, so it's like all the ugly that's the down that come with that [ __ ], 'cause it's like you got to deal with family, you got to deal with music, you got to make all the sacrifices to be like with a about any means type of, you know what I'm saying, [ __ ] attitude, you feel me? Like it's whatever it takes for me to get there. Sometimes you might hurt the people you love along the way, sometimes you might lose people along the way, but by any means, I'm still going to get there, you feel what I'm saying? A lot of people don't really got that drive and that dedication and that [ __ ], like a gift and a curse, 'cause it put a lot of stress on you. I had a lot of stress on me since I was a kid, you feel me? But always just took that [ __ ] and rolled it and like made that [ __ ] look easy, even when I'm like [ __ ] say I'm smiling, but it's like you don't know what a [ __ ] going through. I'm just grateful for everything that come with this [ __ ], you feel me? So we can't have a bad day as a rapper. You can't have a bad day. You can't have a bad day. If you're not in the mood to take a picture, stay home. It's over with. St. go through the shows, don't go, you know what I'm saying? You can't have no bad days, no matter what, you feel me? Like you know how that [ __ ] go.

Um, when you think Drake is sending that hook, I'm going to get old Drake's ass. I just feel like it's coming.

I [ __ ] bro. I [ __ ] bro. Um, I really, I ain't going to lie, I, I got out of like the mood of just sending songs though. I be having so much going on.

I really... So you trying to tell you Drake asked you to send a song and you said no?

No. Hell no. I sent them the song. I sent them songs, but I really feel like I would just get in anyway, like I know that's the type of time BR on anyway.

When you say get in the same studio?

Stud. Oh yeah, yeah. See that's that 90 [ __ ], that 90 [ __ ]. How that's why the music came out better back then is because we didn't have the option to send right verses, like if you had to do a record with Fat Joe, was real chemistry to go to they had to go to their studio or they had to go to your studio. There was chemistry there. In the studio was chemistry, and yet you build a bond that comes through in the music. Y I feel like my best [ __ ] come out like that, anyways though, right?

Yeah. Together. Yeah. Mm. You got a lot of features. So you telling me most of your features is, is...

Yeah. I'll be hell yeah. I, I'll pull up. I'll be pulling up. Go. Hell yeah. Okay. For real. All right. We gonna get to that, 'cause you got a lot of features. Goddamn it. I ain't gonna lie, everybody in Hip Hop love you.

Yeah, I don't be... I heard you say one time that you don't think Hip-hop love you back.

I was saying that on some like not the industry, not the love that you actually get from being in hip-hop. What I mean, like you know how that [ __ ] go, like they love you, they hate you, then they love you again for everything you got to overcome, yeah, all the adversity. So if you don't know that people don't take that, that's what I mean, like you got to look at it like they don't love you back, so you don't nothing, just do you, you feel what I'm saying? Got n...

No, but I know what he's saying. I'm talking about like [ __ ]. Yeah, we love you [ __ ].

I can't, 'cause I know you. That's the strategy saying though, that's how you... I also heard, I also heard Bruce Lee say, "Never play talk about yourself wrong, because your, your, your body doesn't understand your plan," you know, understand what I'm saying? That you know what I mean?

I try to get deep. Come on, man. You a let me get deep, nigas. Come on. Jesus. I get that. That was [ __ ] right there. Come, 'cause we're thinking that you know, sometimes it just put you in the mindset of like you not being as motivated, 'cause you like [ __ ] it. I don't care, you know what I'm saying? Like I be trying to put myself in the mindset to always be motivated. I don't want to have no day just thinking about negative [ __ ] too long, right? Like I got to do some like productive in some type of way.

Let me, let me, let me ask you um, about, about your city, right? One thing that I used to go to Chicago, you know, family in Chicago. I got Spanish and black family in Chicago. They don't talk to each other. But um, yeah, they gang, they the opposite gangs, they don't [ __ ] with each other. And I'm not the [ __ ] that's going to try to bring them together to the...

Uhuh. They, they not family, right? They're... Oh, I guess heck got, he got Puerto Rican family that are family that don't talk to each other. F- I got...

Yeah, I got that, too. But Shytown, Chicago is a beautiful city, but then it's the flip side.

Sure. Do you still live in sh...

No. No. Hell no. I just go back to go visit family and go take care of business. I've been that was one of the like things that like I did first, like I just had to get in the mental head space while I couldn't be in Chicago. That [ __ ] was too, it was crowding me. I got out of Chicago when I was like 21, 22 years old, right?

Yeah. I've been out of that... You believe that most rappers is a downfall to staying in their own city?

For sure. Yeah, hell yeah. 'Cause it ain't even got a lot to do with the hate, it's just the, you know, the comfortability, too, you feel? You get too comfortable around your people. Everybody know you, you get accessible, like a lot of this [ __ ] just, you know, like you got to lead to become bigger than the city, feel me? I tell you, I, I can't, when I go to New York, it's the worst thing for me because one, I don't know how to not answer the phone, right? Like I got that problem.

You got that problem? Oh, get out of that. Get out of that. I've been going through it for 20 years. You don't want that problem. You got to learn how to cut people off.

I don't, 'cause I... Yeah, I be eventually still answer.

Yeah, I know. I'm not supposed to be with this dude. I know, I know it. I, I posted a picture at New York airport. This dude hits me. I tell him where the hotel is. He smells like cocaine still. He just left the block. Why, what I, why did I do this? What am I trying to prove? Did I still got connections? I do. It's the comfortability. I'm telling you, [ __ ] just comfortable, like, "All right, these my peoples." All right. Holy moly guacamole. But so for a person who's never been to Shot Town, can you describe it?

Um, I always do like everybody like that never been there, they feel like it's just like the Wild Wild West, like war running around there, gun everywhere. He, it's really like he said that [ __ ] super beautiful. He got good ass food, a lot of good restaurants. When I'm, when I'm in the city, I don't really go to my old neighborhood. I don't be over there, you feel me? I be lowkey down to and all the beautiful parts and [ __ ]. So it's like when you go down there, you...

Got good shopping, good food. You feel me? But you just got to like, be in that realm of things. You feel me? Once you go to Chicago and you on some tourist [ __ ] trying to go ride through O Block, everybody try to do that now. You feel what I'm saying? Like tourist and [ __ ] I used to do that every place I'd go, the H. I used to do that too, though. Like, soon as you touch down, you going to go to the trenches immediately. You going to go to whatever hood right there. You saying like, you know, but you we knowing what came with that back then. It's before the really like, when I started traveling, 2011, 2012, going to New York, going to all these places and stuff like that. Like, the internet was really super lit like that, everybody was posting everything, so we was going right to the hood soon as we touch down to any place. You feel me? Like, but now people going down to the hood, they recording you, broadcasting where you at. You feel me? Anything can come there. You a tourist. It ain't even got to be people from around there that [ __ ] with you. You what I'm saying? You don't know who watching your page. You feel me? Like, and they know you before you ever know who they are exactly. You feel me? But like Chicago, it's smooth though, bro. I ain't going to lie. I go back home 'cause I love being with my family. Yeah, hell yeah. I tell people all the time, you go out there, you really enjoy yourself. It's [ __ ] little spots you could go kick it, chill. It's places you could be with your kids and [ __ ] you know what I'm saying? Like, it's super smooth, and you got beaches out there too.

Yeah, we got beaches, all type of [ __ ]. Oh, it's lakes. No, they got beach lakes. It's a lake, bro. No, it's a beach, by beaches, but it's it's basically Lake Michigan, though. Yeah, bro. What you think they was by an ocean, man? What the [ __ ] you think? I see a beach, it's a lake, but it's a lake. Nigas be on the yacht. What ocean were they on? Except for I I I can't lie to you, my brother brought me to, he he said one of the number one pizza spots in the world, Chicago. It was called, come on, you got to eat the pizza. You got to eat the pizza with a fork and a knife. That [ __ ] though, that's not—he took you to Gio's. He tried to get—come on, Chicago, I [ __ ] with the deep dish. But people from Chicago really don't eat deep dish, bro. That's right. New York, we got the best life. Yeah, you want to clap? You know, New York got the best pizza. New York got the best pizza. Detroit pizza's good though. I ain't never had like Detroit-style trash. Heard I ain't never heard nobody—men, nobody. It's you and what one you going to say? JK, just joking. No, no, that's Detroit for yeah, just kidding. It's no, it's dope. Jesus, Detroit, big up to Trick Tri, you know, they're my people out there. Ah [ __ ] um, boom. You better got bulletproof cross. Yeah, hell yeah. Are they heavier? Yeah, they heav—of course they—yeah, heavy as hell. Got a bulletproof—put me on—put me on I level six [ __ ] bombproof for everything. Damn, bombproof. The Cadillac, Cadillac truck [ __ ] like PID, like 280 for it. That's not bad, actually. But you not trying to go to war now? No, I'm trying—I'm trying to make sure I get home. Like, I ain't going to lie, bro, growing up in the streets, like, always had a MK. I never put nobody I love in harm's way, no matter like, even with like—I'm just paranoid. I don't even be having [ __ ] going on. I get—I get real love in my city, bro. Like, I be able to pop out and [ __ ], but I always like—even like what I'm saying is, when I was young as a kid, like I never—when I used to drive cars, I always had cars, 16, 17. I never used to have my mom in the car. I never used to have my sister in the car 'cause I just was paranoid, if anything happened, I'm putting people that I love in harm's way. I always said I'm going to be a—to make sure my people safe when I really get some real money. You feel me? So I'm around with my kids, I want to make sure no matter what, my kids, everybody, and that our—love family is safe when we riding in Chicago. You never know what happens. Car is just for Chicago. Yeah, for real. Okay, okay. Yeah, Chicago like that. You—you going to make nobody want to go to Chicago right now? No, it ain't even that. It's just like, you don't never know what happened. You know, it's dangerous everywhere. You feel me? What you just said in Kanye look, Chicago, it's dangerous, just like it's different. You know what I'm saying? Like, you never—and it—what I'm saying is, I'm from there. You never know who loves you, who hates you. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, I got to make sure I'm straight at all times. I don't take no chances. Is that Chicago? Is that everywhere, kind of? It's just Chicago. War—I mean, everywhere, a lot of rap, a lot of rappers, you know what I'm saying? Go back home and feel like that. You feel me? Especially, you know, that paranoia—not, you know, saying you got to always be on point anyway 'cause you an artist, everybody knows you. You got to like, you showing love, you don't know if they're real or not. You just got to always be on your square at all times. You know what I'm saying? You know what's crazy about—that's what I feel like being in Chicago, 'cause I don't know who is who, all right. You know what's crazy about Chicago? Um, I remember at one point, I used to go to Queensbridge, right? And it's—to be anr—just hanging out in Queensbridge. They didn't know they were in the most drug-infested place in the world. They just sitting there trying to find another Nas, and they're sitting there trying to find another Mob Deep. It's so many people that go to—to go to shra—trying to find another version of y'all, and they're putting themselves in harm's way. Yeah, sometimes [ __ ] will do that though, they'll take that risk. I ain't going to lie. That's why you got to shout out to Mickey H, bro. That was—that when I first start rapping, that was my—that was my manager um, at the time. He—when I first met him, bro, I was what, 16, 17 years old, probably—no, I was 15, like 15, 16, and I I I always been bad with phones. You see how I just pulled up my phone, all cracked up and [ __ ]? I've been like that, and I always lose phones, like, so I—and I know numbers about hard. I promise you, I know everybody's number that be with me about hard and [ __ ], so I used to like, not have a phone and not really get no [ __ ], just be standing on the block, post it up all day, 'cause [ __ ] that's what everybody outside anyway. If you—I could get in touch or whoever, but he really used to pull up looking for me on my block, like, when I'm 15 years old, with his family, got his kids, his wife, and the car, his kid like, 2, 3 years old. He pulling up like, "What up?" You feel what I'm saying? 'Cause he was trying to be my manager and [ __ ]. You feel what I'm saying? Like, and that made me gravitate to him. I'm like, damn, this [ __ ] really pulling up right here with his family in a danger red zone, pulling up four, five times like straight, like, "Come on, shorty, I [ __ ] with you." I'm like, damn, he he's solid for that, with his family though, like he coming from church doing this too, right? It's a little crazy.

But how was it working with Juice WRLD, man? Juice was—he was like a—if you could describe it, it's like one of them—like one of the billion phenomenons. Like, when you see him, I ain't even—I'm not even being funny, like, when you—when we first ever met Juice, and we just used to see his recording process alone, like how he used to get in the studio and make like six songs in a row, but damn there—like, he didn't make 12, 13 songs, because for each song he doing two, three covers with different patterns. Like, he not saying the same [ __ ], not using the same hook. He doing this for like five, six songs straight, but making two, three covers, and this the first [ __ ] he's saying so hard. We not wanting him to erase it. We like, "What the [ __ ]? Wait, is he racing it afterwards?" He—yeah, he ain't even using it no more. Oh, he not stashing it, he just using the one he want to use. We like, man, like, it was some crazy [ __ ]. We never seen nothing like that, man. And his ass just like, was really in love with the craft, like the art of it. You feel what I'm saying? Like, and it was weird working with him like, at first, and like, 'cause he was like—his [ __ ]—he's—he he's such a natural rare talent. And that was back when I was there and still writing verses a long time, like, I be off the top now, little like, okay, I—I applause—I hit applause—I hit applause. Yeah, but that was like when I was really still writing [ __ ] on the phone, and he used to go so like quick freestyling, so—and that [ __ ] was so hard. I'm like, it's taking me a long time and like, you feel me? Like, I'm feel—I felt like I couldn't really like vibe like that, but he's one of the reasons why I stopped writing a little bit, like, I just used to like go off the vibe with him. Here, make you do 10, 15 songs, like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, 'cause I'm looking at it like, I ain't gonna lie, it was crazy. Now I'm looking back at it now, that little bro did—like, I wasn't really realizing like how much he really looked up to me. You feel what I'm saying? Like, like on the—like him being a fan of my music, I'm so a fan of his [ __ ] 'cause I never seen nothing like him before, and he's so big, but he just such a genuine person. He not even really realizing how big he is, for real, for real. He happy to just be doing what he doing. You feel what I'm saying? Like, he trying to do songs with me 'cause he thinking he stacking up 15 G Herbo verses, and I'm telling him like, "Shorty, you the biggest [ __ ] in the world, like, I'm not to be rapping on all these songs 'cause all these not—a—going to come out, bro. You on some pop star [ __ ]. You—we might drop one of these for my album, one of these for yours, for real. But like, I feel like he was challenging me to be better too, like, you feel me? But I'm not even looking at it like that, you know? Like, it was just that [ __ ]. He—when I look back at it like, I I—that's like I never seen nobody like that. You feel me? Like, and I didn't hear that [ __ ] from like Pluto, from Thug, like from [ __ ] that—like them—really the goats of this [ __ ]. You know what I'm saying? Like, that really—didn't lock in with bro and seeing his recording process and feeling like that's some [ __ ] they ain't never seen before. His little ass was different. Do you think Juice WRLD saw how big he was prior to him passing? Um, I mean, yeah, I feel like yeah, and then no—one way, 'cause just knowing him, he's so humble, like he wasn't really like—you feel—he was just in love with the art of it. He knew—he big as [ __ ], of course, he knew, but it's like, I don't even—I think he was having so much fun with it, he wasn't even plotting on how big he could go, like you feel me? He wasn't even like on some—as far as like just embracing it. Like, that's the thing, that's what I mean. I feel like he would have been 10 times bigger if he just embraced how big he was. You feel him? Just being such a real n—a pure soul, he ain't even like—was popping it. We used to tell him like, "Pop it, shorty, like, get out here and [ __ ] on [ __ ]." Like, that was never his thing. Like, we've been telling him to do that, like, "Boy, [ __ ] on [ __ ]." Well, you the one, you feel me? Like, act like you the one. He never was on that. You feel me? Like, that's what I mean. Great. I'm bouncing around a little bit. I'm bounce around a little bit, right? This is something that I always wanted to ask people from—from Chicago, right? They said that it was a plot to kind of like get rid of all the OGs, like, you know, uh uh Larry Hoover, right? The COINTELPRO [ __ ]. Yeah, like—like yeah, I used to hear about that [ __ ], and that's how the city became wild like it is. You think that's true? I believe [ __ ]. If it's like—I ain't going to say I'm like a conspiracy theorist, like belief type of [ __ ], but like, once I hear like how they break it down and [ __ ], yeah, I do believe that [ __ ] was true, 'cause it's not no coincidence and how [ __ ] happen or don't happen. You feel what I'm saying? Like, no matter regardless, I can't—I'm of—I'm 28, so I can't really say on what really, really happened in the past, but as far as it—when me knowing when I grew up, it being no guidance out here for real. It wasn't like—you feel what I'm saying? You even had people who was like—and that's crazy you said that, 'cause I was having a conversation with one of my homies not too long ago, like—like even in certain neighborhoods, people was really even scared to even feel like, all right, I got authority, like I'm F—to try to tell these little shorties what to do or not be out here or don't—you know what I'm saying? Because they scared to get on some C [ __ ]. They think [ __ ] going to grab them, just being—having like the ability to tell people what to do or orchestrate, even if it is a positive outcome, like you feel me? Like, these might be a—a neighborhood full of street [ __ ] who got criminal charges or whatever, but one person come and be like, all right, I'm going to straighten this [ __ ] up, they might really look at them like they on some chief type [ __ ]. You feel me? And they ain't doing nothing but trying to make the [ __ ] better. You feel me? Like, I was having a conversation with my homie like—and that's basically touching on the same point you just made. But remember, it's not a conspiracy anymore. COINTELPRO has been proving that that's the real thing that the FBI was doing back then, exactly. Depending on what you think the intention was, but they was really doing that, and they was bringing people in, they was taking apart these organizations from the top, right? And those organizations back then were really trying to do community-based things. It wasn't really street [ __ ] back then. Exactly, like—like my brother, um, he's—he's—he's Latino, but um, when Com Green was up, you know, I wanted to go to Com Green. This is good time projects. I like—I got—I got—they like, this is—this restaurant called Sammie's, you know, it's fried chicken, spice, nothing crazy, but I had to go. My brother got, you know, the co-sign, and when I got there, I felt the most safest I ever felt in my life. It was—I felt like everyone was just around, just like, yo, Nory's here, like, you know what I mean? And the police came, searched me and [ __ ], the whole neighborhood was with me, like, yo, get—leave Nory alone. I was like, oh [ __ ]. And that was in the '90s though. You know what I'm saying? One thing about Chicago though, like people, you would feel that type of—you—I'm saying like—and like, that being a project, I ain't from no project building, but back then when projects was up, like everybody knew everybody. So basically, in a project, it's probably 80, 60% of they ass all related, families and [ __ ] standing all through this [ __ ]. So you feel me? You will get that type of—Val—if somebody [ __ ] with you, they going to definitely make sure you straight. I'm sure you probably felt like it was some real love, 'cause I didn't been to New York and felt like that, like young nigga, like 18 years old, and I'm going outside, I'm really feeling like, oh yeah, I'm posting up in New York for 2 hours, 3 hours, I'm all through all type of BS. You feel what I'm saying? Like, you don't really feel like that and you go to the hood and just embrace it. You feel me? Like, right now, let's talk about P—uh, PTSD. I know we was talking about Juice WRLD earlier, but I—talking about, you think you have PTSD? Yeah. What is that? Post-traumatic stress disorder. Yeah, I got diagnosed with it. I got really—yeah, that's the [ __ ] that [ __ ] in war get, right? Yeah, yeah, but they—you can get it—what? Yeah, I had—that was—I I was going to therapy though. That was when I first started going to therapy. My—ap—so wise for your age, but continue. I I started going to therapy, what year? That was 2019, 2018. All right. And just talking to my therapist, she diagnosed me with post-traumatic stress disorder, 'cause I was—I really—I ain't going to lie, I was fighting a case at the time though, like I had got arrested in 2018 when my son was born. I got arrested for—for some gun—um, in Chicago, that's when I was living in Chicago. You feel me? Right before I moved to LA, um, and I was really just, you know me, living out there, I ain't had no security. You feel what I'm saying? And I was even in that situation, like I said, accountability. I'm talking to my therapist, like, I ain't never really felt safe leaving out my house since I was 14, 15 years old. You feel what I'm saying? Wow. And we haven't—I was—I was with—with—with Southside when that happened, that—that situation when I got arrested for the guns. You feel me? Like, bro was already a millionaire, he had security with him. You feel what I'm saying? He was able to get his security guard, cello, who was on the case, he did that gu—so that was his security guard who he paid staff. You feel what I'm saying? But I'm living in Chicago, I wasn't able to have no security guard, so me carrying a firearm, I was—you know what I'm saying? Basically just telling my therapist, I'm tell the same [ __ ] with the lawyer, but I was able to get off that. You—I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I really—like, I ain't even know what the—like the therapy—the whole situation of me going—like, it was me taking a chance. You feel what I'm saying? I was—I ain't really open up to like nobody in my life. You did it on your own. You chose to go to therapy on your own? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really like—it was no court stipulation or nothing like that. I was talking to my lawyer, and my lawyer like, kind of insisted on me and just took—on my own. Feel—but like I said, like, taking that—that leadership role early on, it just—I don't really—I feel like me complaining about my situation and what I got going on to the people around that—that's really depending on me, it's like, that's not really—it—I'm saying—going—that's—that's the—I feel like that's the—that's—that's what's pro—what's really wrong, like, for lack of better term, what the [ __ ] I'm trying to say, like that stipulation—that—that they—that they put on black men growing up, just not being able to open up—you can't to anybody—people around you and your family—open up to.

Your mother, open up to your girl, to whoever takes it on, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, and ain't nobody referring to therapy. So it's like, I was really—I ain't, I didn't even feel like it was going to be helpful at first, to be honest, you know what I'm saying? When I first started going, but it was though, like I ain't going to lie, just me just talking to her about everything I grew up like experiencing and everything that I was going through as a man at that time, and she just went on her own and and diagnosed me with post-traumatic stress disorder and actually sent it to the courts when I was fighting the case at the time, and that's how I was able to really get, get off on the whole situation and and and get and and and get it down to a, to a misdemeanor.

Basically, what, what did they give you for that, what the post—yeah, I had um, I got diagnosed, I got the medical card, they gave me—oh, they gave you weed? Makes noise for H. Yeah, yeah, that's fire, legally. Yeah, yeah, I I got, I got my card legally. Yeah, that's how I was able to get it through having post-traumatic stress disorder, you know? But and it's like, man, really, that's why I had, I named my album PTSD, cuz it all happened around the same time, and that's why I put all those people that I had lost on my cover, like it was over 50 people on the flag, 50 dead faces, you feel what I'm saying? Cuz I'm talking about all this in therapy, you feel what I'm saying? Like everything I experienced, and it's like, just the reality of a [ __ ] experiencing, seeing so much death, but you able to just act normal all day, navigate through your life like ain't nothing going on, still going to school, n still going to work [ __ ], still providing for their family, taking care of their kids, but all this is still on your mind every day.

And if we don't really talk about this, like you got to find a way to like compartmentalize with all of that, you feel me? You can't really hold it in and still think you gonna have a level playing field when dealing with life; you going to always be on a roller coaster, you feel what I'm saying? Because yeah, on EDS, because most times when you really able to release and be yourself, you're around the people that you most comfortable with, and them people you love, so you probably exploding on your woman, exploding on your kids, or, you know what I'm saying, on your mom, whoever the case may be, you feel me? So like, because or you, or you really like holding it in, or you just go to make a decision that you can't even sh—come back from for the rest of your life. That's how a [ __ ] wind up getting killed, [ __ ] wind up going to jail, because you wearing this [ __ ] on your shoulder, and then you snap with a 10-second decision, cost you the rest of your life, you feel what I'm saying? So it's like, that's why I started to like open up about therapy and name my album PTSD and just openly just with that [ __ ], cuz I felt like that was a time in my life when I was most vulnerable, so I was just rapping about it.

Was was any soldiers offended by that? Because like, I I guess that's the most of the people who get diagnosed with that. Uhuh. No, cuz I really, I did really get clinically diagnosed. I'm opening up about therapy, you feel what I'm saying? And I was like, I wasn't saying I was like firsthand, like paying homage to the soldiers, but I was talking about like how people who live regular everyday lives suffer from the same, you know what I'm saying, diagnosis that somebody who goes to war, who signed up for—know I'm saying—not that work is unnoticed, of people put on the line every day on a scale that we couldn't even imagine, you feel what I'm saying? Everybody's different, end of the day. It's people who live everyday life that didn't sign up for that, and at the end of the day, it is what it is. Post-traumatic stress disorder is post-traumatic stress disorder, no matter how you put it, and it depends on—like, people get it in car accidents, people have car accidents, they get—I think it was just war—yeah, domestic abuse, they get that [ __ ], one robbed—you get robbed one time, people, they they get post—it's like it's just really having like certain situations that you've been through that that trigger you, yeah, on a on a day-to-day basis. So it might be one thing that happened 10 years ago, but it's like every time you get in the car, like you said, you thinking about the situation, or every time you're on a bus stop, you thinking about a situation cuz something happened on the bus stop you see.

Right, let, let me ask you how you, how'd you become this wise, like cuz I know we we we touch on the fact that you're 28, but your brain is not 28. Like, yeah, you you you you advanced in this [ __ ], like I I sit here like almost like I'm talking to my peer, like I know you're younger than me, but your brain ain't telling me that at all. Like, how'd you get that wise, man? I think I just, really, to be honest, I'm going to be completely 100 with you, man, I just been outside for a long time, like, right? Really just since I was probably 12, 13 years old, I've been hanging with my big brother, he's older, he's 5 years older than me, and just, you know, just—for 5 years older than—he's 33. Yeah, yeah, okay, which means that he's 43, right? Basically, all right, cool, basically, yeah. CU y [ __ ] is wise, B. It's like, I just been always—and and it don't really got nothing to do with like how I think, of course, but like I think I just, I looked up to him and already had like some type of just structure, just being my own man, you feel I'm saying? And what I grew up at is like, you got to—I ain't even, I ain't even lying, bro, like you even if you're not in the streets, you got to then that be wise, or you got to like be a little—like you got to be a little witty, some type of way, right? Growing up where I came up, you feel what I'm saying? Because everybody like out for something, everybody wants something about you, you feel what I'm saying? Like, so when I'm 15, 16 years old and I'm trying to rap, and at the end of the day, my name, I'm buzzing, I'm really in my neighborhood, I'm having all type of street [ __ ] going on, you feel me? So it's like, I got to be twice as sharp. Like, I really wasn't hanging with people my age; I was hanging with people older than me. I'm 13, I'm hanging around 18, 19, 20, sometimes 25-year-olds, you feel what I'm saying? Like, and I got to, you know, I'm going to give a lot of credit to my pops too, though; my dad put a lot of, a lot of structure in me growing up, you feel me? But my, when when I was outside in the streets, I was on my own, though, you feel me? Like, I just had to take what he gave me and try to use that to navigate, you feel me? But I don't know, it was just experience, a lot of life, I've been through a lot of [ __ ] early on and just like took it for what it is, like, you know, I think that's why, like going back to the therapy, that [ __ ] helped me, cuz like the [ __ ] was so normal where I come from, like you can't really complain about—I feel like I said that before, and I don't want to sound like crazy or like biased or nothing, like I feel like a [ __ ] like me, I I I feel like I can't even complain about my situation or whatever I go through cuz I didn't see and experience much worse, like in the hood where I come from. Like, you think your situation's bad, then you look at one of your homies, like, damn, he got it worse, way worse, or this [ __ ] got it 10 times worse than me, like it makes you just overly grateful. Like that's how I had that mentality when I was younger, cuz I'm seeing [ __ ] like, you know, I done been in the trenches where [ __ ] is so [ __ ] up, like [ __ ] growing up, even worse than I'm seeing, so it's like, damn, I always had a reason to just be like, all my [ __ ] ain't so bad, you feel me? Even in the worst of the worst situations, you feel me?

I want you to enjoy a little more, man, enjoy, because I got, I got a friend—I don't want to say his name—like we hang out, right? And then we don't even want to take pictures because we got survivor's remorse; we just sitting around thinking like, all right, once we take a picture, there's going to be people hating, bro, and that's like [ __ ] up. Yeah, like our wives be looking at each other like, "Y'all some suckers." Yeah, bro, like we out like 3 days a week and like, "Y—no, we're, we're over here, we don't want to take this picture," like [ __ ] that, bro. I got though, huh? I got a real album called *Survivor's Remorse*, was a [ __ ], that's why I said it on [ __ ]. Well, I know I'm—know you said, but it's like the [ __ ], it's that [ __ ] like second nature, though, you feel me? I don't even think [ __ ] intentionally really be—it's like we, like you said like in the beginning of the interview, like you answer your phone so much, sometimes you just don't even want to deal with the energy of certain [ __ ], that's just remorse, you feel me? I say that sh—all the time. CH—never changed, man. I say that [ __ ] all the time. I'll be wanting to change my number, but then it's like I be thinking like, "I know sh—mother [ __ ], what if somebody really needs me?" Damn, damn, yeah, niggas really be feeling like that, that's real [ __ ].

How much, how much you think fatherhood has helped you as well? 100%. I feel like fatherhood is—if it wasn't for me really having my first kid, I would—like I know I wouldn't have really like grew up and and just like been on some [ __ ] where like I know like what, what having a kid teaches you is your first and foremost, like your main responsibility. You owe everything to them, so you got to make decisions knowing that you owe everything to your kids, cuz what happens to you happens to them, exactly. So before you had kids, you feel like you owe something to a [ __ ], but when you really have kids, you like, "Oh no, I really don't owe nobody [ __ ], I owe my kids everything." So I, you know, like that just like changed my whole way of thinking when I hear children, you feel what I'm saying? It's like, and then like no funny [ __ ], people always ask me like what's my like, like most place of comfort or happiest place, like no matter what I'm going through, when I'm around my kids, I could literally just zone out and not think about nothing, like no matter what, like f—regardless, like I don't feel like I had no other vice, like studio, all that [ __ ] be therapeutic, see, like you know I love what I do, but like my purest place is just like, no matter what, I could be like the most depressed ever and be in the room with my kids, and then that [ __ ] just literally goes away, you feel what I'm saying? So like, like even if it's for the time being, to be around my kids, and then when that's over with, I snap back right into whatever reality, like I feel like that's the purest form of love, you feel I'm saying? People, exactly. So like, and then it's like another thing is too, that [ __ ] be tweaking me out, like no matter what, like I'm learning in my—my older, you know, your son, he's five, going to be 6 years old, like he knows what's going on, but at the end of the day, your kids don't really know, like they don't know who I am, or what—they don't think [ __ ] about none of that, you feel me? Yeah, they don't—I ain't going to lie, I still think I'm corny in my kids' eyes; you're going to always then if feel like that. Like, he like—like the last thing I watched with my son, I watched *Ted*. I know that's inappropriate—with who—with n—no, with Noah, youngest, we watch *Ted* the series. You seen that [ __ ] on Peacock? It's very racist, it's very racist, but it's hilarious. *Ted*, the teddy. Yeah, he has a series. Oh, you think—I'm—my son put me on to *Ted*. I ain't never seen that [ __ ] until my son watched that [ __ ]. He ain't supposed to be watching that [ __ ]. No, no, I ain't going to lie, I'm a bad father, let me just, let me turn that out there, though. My wife don't say you're a bad—no, I'm not a bad father, but in this situation, my son was like, "Dad, could I watch it?" And I I started to realize he's asking me to watch it because he wants to watch it, right? So I'm looking there, and then my wife's getting her hair done, I'm getting um, a haircut, and everybody in the house is just looking like, "Oh my God," and I'm sitting there with my son, I looked, I was like, "Damn, I'm kind of foul." No, he just made that point, though, but that's what I'm saying, I'm saying it to say like your kids don't really know like who you—like my son, he be wanting to do the most random [ __ ], and I got to do it, like, wherever we at, he wants to go to whatever Target, he wants to go out to the the closest jumpy house, the nearest arcade, just random [ __ ] for the moment. 5 years old. Okay, okay. I'll be having to go do that [ __ ], no matter if it's a million fans in there; I don't, I just go do it cuz that's what he wanted to do, like he's not thinking about that type of [ __ ], and he's not knowing, like, you feel me? So that's what I'm saying, your kids—how you most—how you doing the most random [ __ ], like [ __ ] it, like just say [ __ ] it. I always do that with one kid, like [ __ ] it. He got the Fatherhood podcast. Yeah, do—let's make some noise for your Fatherhood podcast. I got a 5-year-old to a 3-year-old [ __ ] with—let's do it, let's do it. He don't do nothing, he don't leave the house for [ __ ] at all. I do all kinds of [ __ ]. Yeah, and go right. I be having to be active and [ __ ] with my kids, man; they too busy. Uh-huh, [ __ ] the whole crib up. You got to leave out how many kids you have? Three. Three. Yeah, yeah, the two and one. Oh, you got—woo—got a baby in there. Good luck. Good. My kids are 14, they're going through puberty, I got to have the birds and the bees—I don't know if they already had the birds and the bees, I don't know, like I'm scared. I'm scared, like they, they damn near the homies and [ __ ], they be telling me, "Let's go to the gym," like, uhuh. I know why they want to go to the gym, it's different. M—I'm married. God damn it. All right, listen, so we got a game—oh, wait, wait, handle that, handle that. We want, we want to let you know how much we appreciate you, how much you're a legend, how much love in hip-hop you got, cuz I, you know, that's one thing I do when I interview a guest, I call—I just call everybody, and everybody, yo, I kid you not, you're one of like the third guest, maybe—you look, you're up, you're up there like that, nobody had nothing bad to say, bro. I I I was like, "That's [ __ ] fire," you know what I'm saying? Like everybody was like, "Yo, man, it's a stand-up dude, it's a good dude," you know what I mean? And so our show is about giving people their flowers, so we want to give you your [ __ ] flowers. Snoop—Snoop Dogg said—Snoop Dogg said it's like a Grammy cuz it's coming from the people, this is, this is your people, man, this is your house, man. We want you to know—appreciate you—want you to know that, all before we get to uh, quick uh, quick time of slime. Yeah, I want to um, I want to, I want to to say something and just, I want you to tell me what, what do you hear uh, when I say this, when I say this. Okay, you ready? Yeah. Humble Beast. Well, I think hunger. Hunger. Yeah, hunger. Carnivorous. Immediately. More than one. Huh? More than one? No, no, whatever you, whatever you think. H Beast. I think hunger, man. I think uh, uh, dedication. I think, I think goal-oriented. I was on a mission. Gold. Yeahi. Yeah, goal-oriented for sure. Um, I fig—I had—I think of having a point to prove, I had something to prove to myself, I feel like at that time and like to the industry, you know, with that being my like debut album, like on some [ __ ]. Okay, still swerving, still swerving. Um, consistency, like uh, I think uh, living life, having fun, MH. Um, I think uh [ __ ] uh, I think a—God damn it—swerving on, bro. Swerving and what I think of uh, I think uh, a [ __ ] gratefulness, on, bro, being grateful around the town, bro. Okay. PTSD. PTSD. Mhm. I think uh, Chicago. I think uh, hustling. Um, I think uh [ __ ] Savage Life. I think of death. Um [ __ ]. I think a grieving, pain, anger, um and [ __ ]. I think uh, vulnerability and and awareness. 25. 25. I think uh um, survivors remorse. I think of grief. Can't say that. Grateful-ness. I do—that's my next question, bro. I'm I'm I'm going into each other, let that—let's—I'm going to go into that with that, though. You doing my interview, like—I'm going to lie, that was fire. But for 25, I think, I think of gratefulness, too, though. Okay, I think of gratefulness. I think of life. I think of celebration. Um, I think of grief. Um, and what I think of—I think uh, victory. And now survivors remorse. Um, survivors remorse. I think a sorrow, anger again. Um, I think a confusion. Um, I think uh um, I think a resentfulness. Um, I don't know if I said pain, but I think of pain again. The reason—the reason why I had was like I had said survivors and morrison when I said the the 25 was cuz like turning 25 was like a like that whole time like period of me just where I was as an artist, as a man, everywhere, just like actually being grateful to turn 25, such a young age is really crazy as [ __ ], you know what I'm saying? Like, and now that I'm 28, going to be 30, you feel me? It's still being young, but you just be grateful for them years cuz [ __ ] really don't get that far where I come from. A lot of my homies didn't get to see 18, 21, you know? So being—turned—25, like, and that was one of my last birthdays that I turned with my little brother, you feel me? Um, my little brother uh, he he died 7 days before his 25th birthday. 25 is seven—like the whole reason why I was like putting that whole album *25* together, you feel what I'm saying? It was just like, it was a different like just time, or, you know, like that let you know like where, where we are mentally, not just me, like everybody around, everybody I ever knew growing up, like it was like, of course, everybody excited to see their 25th birthday, but where I come from, we feel like it's a milestone to even be alive at 25, not to actually enjoy your 25th birthday and fun, you feel me? [ __ ] just happy to be here. You lost so much, you feel me? So it's like, looking back at that, I feel like [ __ ], I I I feel like I wish you know [ __ ] would have like celebrated.

Like, more you feel me with that being like my last birthday, even with you know, cuz I had a ball, like you feel what I'm saying? But I'm just saying, like, not even, not even like, what I mean is, like, on some just like festive [__] like not even my whole her birthday was around the fact of just being grateful to be alive, you feel me? And all little brother didn't even see his 25th birthday, so that sh was like, it was like a weird feeling for me, you know. God bless man, God bless bro, but [__] just that's why I be having that M [__] just be grateful for [__], you feel right? We ready for quick time or Islam? You want to explain to him the rules? Yeah, we going to give you two choices; you pick one, and we not drinking. Quick time or slam? Yeah, two choices. You get two choices; there's a list of things these guys over here came up with this list, so don't blame us, a Colombian and a Dominican. All right, so you got two choices; you pick one. Nobody Drinks. Go together if you say both, like you say both of them. So what, quick time or SL? What, that's just the name of the the game we play. It's a drinking game. Yeah, you picking something, but if you if you say both or neither, we drinking; all of us are drinking. Oh, okay. But if you pick Nobody Drinks, pick something. But if you don't pick, basically, we drinking. Yeah, I remember this. This, you ready? Yeah, and go light with the shots cuz it's a long game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go light with the shots. Okay, you ready? This is your shot town; this is going to [__] you up right now. You ready? Let's do it.

Chief Keef or Lil Durk? So okay, that's Chief. All right. Tupac or DMX? Tupac. Okay. Drake or Lil Wayne? Wayne. Nas or J. Kiss, kiss. And if you got something to say about that, you know, right? If you want to elaborate, tell a story, anything but J. The kid. Okay. Kanye West or No I.D.? Obviously, producer, and obviously both Chicago. Both, I'mma go No I.D. As um, you know, big bro, he was one of the first to ever really embrace me, too, though. Like No I.D., I got I got like I got placements, like songs with No I.D. when I'm like 16 years old, when I first started rapping. Like you work with Comm, who's No—yeah, exactly. That was um, that was the whole play. No I.D. put that whole play together with with Comm, you I'm say, and big bro always just been like a mentor for me, like I know if there's anything I really need to like get off of, if I need to come to him for any advice, it's just a phone call, you feel me? So that's a big dog, too. Got a shout-out to Big. He always showed me love from the beginning, since day one. Juice WRLD or P&V Rock? Um, rest in peace, both. I could do both sh—. Let's take a shot, do both. Let's take a shot for both of my brothers. I've been feening him, take a shot; let's do it, Sal. But I I wanted you go go with the right choices. Throw some ice in there; that next even small shot, damn, that [__] got me. We back, bab—back [Music] Forgot. Hey man, I don't know if I can say it, but I'm say my brother P&B anyway. So I said we got to take that. Yes'am. Future or 21 Savage? Uh, we going take a shot, you know, take a shot, right? Br, br. That's right, that's right. Don't don't choose don't choose a side; that's a two-headed goat. Yeah, ice cube in that [__]. I've been holding this ice cube on the sh—, chilling. Common or Lupe Fiasco? Um, Common. Southside or Metro Boomin'? Going take a shot on Metro. That's another two-headed goat. Sorry about that, drinking. You know what he's drinking? What that what it's called? Mamana, but he it's not from Dominican Republic. What is it? It's made in a Tuin Kindle. He make that [__] up though, telling you, man. Don't don't up, don't start getting—he going ask you for a shot of his sh—off-life-to-movie-try. You should try it; you should try. I ain't [__] by the way, the best bathtu in Kindle ain't even in kle. Some drinking it anyway, man. I'm sorry. So I'm so happy you came here, man, for real, man. I want to give [Applause] you and your fans is crazy, by the way. I tweeted out that got questions with G Herbo; they went crazy. Your fans, you got some crazy ass [__] fans. Yeah, stay in tune, man. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Um, podcast or radio? Podcast. Okay, dropped podcast. Okay, this a good real [__] man; this is a good one. Cat Williams or Kevin Hart? Going take a shot. Yeah, I was going to take a shot. I don't want no smoke, B. That's the Dominican in the club, you know, they trying to get us both in trouble. Take a shot, man. We outside; we love them both. Shout-out to but it's entertaining. I never see comedians; they out of control. They out of control, man. That's the funniest [__] on the internet, the craziest [__] This [__] is dope. You you you ain't happy. I want to [__] with everybody getting along and spreading love. 100%, 100%. Entertainment is entertainment; that's the name of the game. But I'm like that other people was beefing other than rappers; that's hard. Exactly, that's hard; that's hard; that's hard for that; they just want rappers to be—God damn it. Okay, where we at? Ludacris or T.I.? Did I take a shot? Do I—all shot? Yeah, take a shot; take a shot, Tip. Okay. Rick Ross or Jeezy? Uh, take a shot, man. Okay, [__] take a shot, man, for big bro. Now it's going down. Okay, he putting the ice in every shot, bro. Man, that [__] is hot as [__] I don't like I don't like it; that [__] is like Russ cheating, man. DJ Drama or DJ Khaled? Drama. Scarface or Ice Cube? What we say? Drama or Cal? We got to take a shot; take a shot. You you—Reed on your—I take a shot. I'm a little I'm a little tipsy. I here to consume the question a little bit. Okay, remember that's another two-headed girl. All right. Scarface or Ice Cube? Scarface. Boys n the Hood or Menace II Society? Menace II Society. L.A. or Miami? Uh, L.A. Travis Scott or A$AP Rocky? Travis. Biggie Smalls or Big L? Biggie. OutKast or UGK? UGK. Hey, who's said though? Come on, bro, relax. G Herbo or Lil Reese? Take a shot. I respect that; big them both up. Take a shot for PH Sal. Take a nice—you want me to do is—it's still hot; it's like [__] taking a coffee shot. Lil Baby or Rocky? Lil Baby. Lil Yachty or Lil Uzi Vert? Take a shot. Sh—, that he some good ass questions, by the way. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Than Kodak Black or Denzel Curry? Kodak. The last one, it's the most important one. Most important one, loyalty or respect? Respect. Explain, because I'm built off loyalty; I'm a loyal person anyway, you feel what I'm saying? And you can't really if people don't really have loyalty, you can't probably instill it in them, but I'm going make you respect me. If you don't respect me, I demand respect regardless of what you—don't have to be loyal to me; you don't have to be whatever, but you going to have to be respectful to me cuz I'm a Le—your respect and whatever. I don't have to enforce loyalty; I enforce respect upon anybody, so respect. So you went with respect. I'm going with respect; going with respect. I ain't going to lie; you're not supposed to take a shot for that, but I think we should. I mean, that was a hard answer; like that was hard. I ain't going to lie; I was [__] up; I was like take a shot for that; I got take sh—. Say you want to take a shot, bro? I mean, that do you not want to take a shot for that answer? Like it's deserves that answer deserves a shot. I'll do it by myself. You can take—Academy—want to take a shot? All right, cool. I want to take a shot too, but that [__] answer was awesome, bro. Going back to to No I.D. putting you with Common, right? Did you record with Common in the studio? Um, no. No. Have y'all linked though? Yeah, hell yeah. I ain't going to lie; I [__] with Common so tough, man. I was—you know what's crazy? I actually was supposed to start acting like years ago, man, but I I really was just so focused on rap, like I ain't I was like I'm I'm a type of person, like I ain't going to say I'm stubborn, but in a way when I'm super focused on something, like at Mone set for myself, I just got to do one thing. Like I was supposed to really been in uh, when they did um, which one was he in? Was Common was in Barbershop 3, I believe. I was supposed to I was supposed to been in that, and which you set in Chicago, right? Yeah, yeah. I went and I went and I went and uh, went over my script with him. He—me—pull up on him at his hotel. I was—he M on—I feel like he smells like baby powder. N—n—hell no. Big bro, I going lie; that was my first time. He was at a nice ass nice ass sweet. I forgot what hotel it was; it was a minute ago. He had me pull up to him, and I went over my script with him for like two, three hours, you feel me? Big bro always just embraced me, like even on rap [__] and just anything, like he hit me like all you got through—they they trying to get you the roll. I pulled up on and went over the script, you feel me? He he kind of wanted me to do my video and in right there, but I ain't going to lie; I was on some nerve and [__] I ain't do it right then. I had—oh, cuz it was an audition that you were doing basically? Yeah. I had went over the—I ain't send [__]—you going lie; I ain't send that [__]. I was supposed to been in Barbershop 3. Damn. Who would have been your role if you would have been in there? I think I was supposed to been um, you know, Tariq from Power; he was in there. Tariq was in there; he played uh, I think he was Ice Cube's son or some [__]. Oh, and I was supposed to been his homie, the other other the other [__] in the video, so somewhere a video [__] that was gang banging, one of them type of little Chicago [__] or something. Not the [__] that was took the cashier, the ATM. No, this was three. Oh, this is three. I'm—that's one I'm—but but that's dope that Common took the time to do that with you, do that right? Yeah. And the reason I'm asking, the whole point cuz it's ill, like it's like Chicago from this era and this era, like like how's that coming together? Like y'all y'all discussing Affairs of Chicago really, you know. He been just always like reached out and like show love, took a liking to me from the beginning; my first project I dropped, walking the F land. Matter of fact, I should have mentioned that first really; he gave me the the the feature on um, on um, on Still [__] Up; me, him, Chance the Rapper. Wow. We—it was a video we shot probably like 2015, 2014 or something, you feel me? Pulled up on big bro in his neighborhood, you know, from '87 over there. We pulled up on him in his neighborhood of the barbershop, like you know, he used to really be coming back to Chicago, showing love. Yeah, hell yeah. He's one of the first artists that a lot of people heard of—offic—face, like really. Big bro used to really, you know what I'm saying? Him in Twista, or him—I would say—I mean it could be around the same—Crucial Conflict? No, no, no; that's after. Yeah, yeah. Common—Common when he was Common Sense. Okay. And he had the song "Take It Easy"—was one of the first—he—not Common Sense—no, no, he just Common now. Yeah, his first album, he was Common Sense. No, I produced the whole thing. Yeah, no, he definitely was like one like one of the first artists to really like that I heard about of Chicago. I mean Twista as well. Sure, for sure, right? Yeah. What's your relationship with Kanye? I [__] with Ye uh, you know, so crazy [__], the new sneakers. I'm not sure; I don't really—I ain't even look at the sneakers, bro. I don't really be too big on the fash—ninj socks. I love them; that's my brother. I love them, but the ninj—the ones that fold—no, I ain't—why they ninj socks? Oh, you don't wear shoes, right? You got to was some [__] like that in the house; throw that—no, no, I'm asking; I'm I'm really asking, you know. Don't thr—he trying to—I'm not trying to throw—I'm asking; I'm Ser—like I had inside information—you do—you said the one—I got those joints. I was trying to see what what socks you was talking about. I ain't know you ain't see the Ninja socks. I I know which one you talking about now, that F right? Yeah, they they like AirPods; he call them, bro, right? Right, right, right. I'm ready for him like them [__] is too long though. Yeah, yeah. Like I I want make—I'm sorry, short. They could they could have went on the house shoe vibe; you could went on some—you feel? I he was watching too much Bruce Lee movies at that time, bro. And then yeah, because let's soon as he get back to some [__] [__], I'm back; I'mma [__] with him like I'm I mean like fashion-wise, FSE. Yeah, yeah. Now just buing—I [__] with Ye, man, and you got a you got like I got a different—you acting like it's me—I got a different—no, I got a different like just like respect for Ye. Yeah, like just off the strength of like his genius, for real, know what I'm saying? Super genius, you know what I'm saying? Where you at? Saudi Arabia? Know we love you; he a good dude. Monopoly sh—, you got the whole [__] going on. Yeah, man. M—holy moly [Laughter] guacamole. Let's talk about—damn, I got mad notes for you. Oh, you got some [__] for me, broie? Let's talk about uh, "Cry No More" with Lil TJ. Yeah, TJ. That's my boy. Yeah, I I I never got to meet him yet. Yeah, but um, I like I like his style, like his oral—yeah. Li—bro, real—so so tell us how y'all collaborated—uh, TJ—that's—I've been [__] with li bro for a little minute too though, you know, bro, Sal. We locked in on a bunch of different ways, but um, really it was uh, me and me and Polo did it first though. Polo did a hook, you know. Okay. We was in Chicago; that was one of the times, and I I really was stuck in Chicago at the time. I ain't going to lie; I had—it was a a period of time where I couldn't travel, like I said when I when I got diagnosed post to manist and [__] I I C my J—you had the ankle break list N—I went on—this was before Co—everything; that's why Co was kind of easy for me. I ain't going to lie cuz I had like a year where I couldn't travel really too many shows unless was—I just stuck in Chicago; my my judge ain't let me do no traveling. I ankle—monor—nothing; it was like for a whole year. I had to do the summer like it was at least like 10 months. He was on quarantine already. Yeah, right. It was right before quarantine hit, so it's like I then did two quarantines type [__]. So but I was in Chicago; I I was like locked in the studio and [__]. So me and Polo had did that song. Me and bro, we be—we had—when me and bro we be doing like a lot of [__] back to back though; like we probably got five, 10—like TJ—TJ—no, I'm talking about Polo—Polo. So we had did the hook, and then I had sent the [__] to TJ after that, and then me and TJ did it in L.A., you feel me? Like like that [__] like a—it's like a dynamic though, like me, Polo, TJ—that [__] like the same—we get in the studio; if we get in one day, we probably could do five, six songs literally right off the rip, like that got that type of chemistry. Say we already each stud separ—I get—we do three, four songs—I get in—bro, we do three—you know what I'm saying? Like that's just how we work. So that [__] just came naturally. I did that, and that was like I said a time where I was just going through a whole bunch of [__] mentally. I couldn't travel; I wasn't doing no shows; I was fighting the case—all type of [__] I just was, you feel me? Like I was just—I feel like it was a growth period though, like one thing I learned about—like that's why I speak about it openly—like when you go through [__] like just adversity overall—like all that—you will feel frustrated—like [__] be having a lot of stress, a lot of builtup [__] in them, and you will feel like oh, you you going through the motions or whatever the case may be, but that [__] really just building character. Like I learned like when I really go through [__] sometimes—I ain't trying to sound like weird or crazy or a [__] up way—like it kind of give me comfort, like damn [__] a little rough, so I got you. Once you figure it out, you figure it out, and it's like it always lead to elevation, so you you you you should lean towards that [__], you know what I'm saying? Like lean towards it. What I'm saying that to say like that was like a a hard ass time period where I didn't really want to do [__] but record music. But me recording music, that was the PTSD album; that's therapy though too. That was—it was—that's a version of therapy, and that was like [__] literally; that's my best album still to this date, you feel what I'm saying? Like all that [__] came about from me really not being able to travel, do shows, being around my peers, but [__] really just [__] with me off the strength—they pulling up on me, you feel what I'm saying? When I was able to go to L.A., TJ pulled up on me; little bro, Polo was using a rack; he pulled up on me, you feel what I'm saying? I'm getting this [__] done, and then that [__] coming out like—still—that's probably one of my biggest songs on that album too though, you feel me? So that [__] just be happening naturally. G, I ain't going lie. Yeah, God damn it. Hold on. When you go back and and you you say you started like around 16, who were the inspirations that that you was looking around around you—not not on the bigger scale—like around you locally, who was doing things that you was like, I want I want to do like them? Uh, I I was looking up to [__] from my hood though; like that was rapping um, like [__] name—react on—he old [__] uh, my homie Hollow was rapping; Baby was rapping before me too though. Baby was like actually going—paying for studio time—[__]—like we was like 15 years old; Baby was like—he a year older than me, so he was like 16, actually going to the studio, and folks was smart; he knew how to structure hooks and do—I ain't know how to do [__] but rap, like I ain't know how to put no hook, verse, and no what the 16 B was—none of that type of [__], you feel what I'm saying? But oh, he he could tell you stories; he didn't know either. Jesus—throw

Me out there, you say it all the time. I'm saying that's inspirational, like [ __ ]. I feel like [ __ ] that know how to rap, never really knew how to put songs together though, like never really—what? That's the same thing. Saying that's how I used to count bars, the reason why that that song—what, what, what, what, what, what—is that's how I count bars. What, what, what? He was counting his bars, and they made that a hook. And then Forell was just a genius. Yeah, [ __ ]. Know how to be—he, he just made—I feel like BBY was a [ __ ] that probably would have knew how to do that same [ __ ], if you know I'm saying. Like B knew how to—Y want drink? Y'all good? Y'all good? G-Louise, Papa Cheese, we want y'all to have fun too, you know what I mean? Yeah, you know what I mean. But I feel like, yeah, I feel like—like when we was getting in the studio early, like Baby Head, he was he was like the brains when it came to like putting the songs together and like, kill [ __ ] right now. Still, that's the biggest song to this day. That was his idea. He picked the beat; he's the one who told me to go first on the [ __ ]. You feel what I'm saying? And in the end, you know, like I just used to just rap for 30 bars, 32 bars straight. You feel what I'm saying? Like, and bro always had like the structure. So like, when I first—like, I used to listen to what bro was on. Bump J, another [ __ ] that I really like, super in slap Polaroid. You feel what I'm saying? It's like that—like, locally, that was going crazy. That's what I was like—like, that really made a [ __ ] want to rap, you feel me? Right. And when you say you stopped writing your rhymes, you said you was—had them in your phone and you was going off the top. Were you doing the the Bigg E Jay-Z [ __ ] where you was writing in your head, or you just freestyling?

No, I was like, yeah, kind of writing in my head for sure. I definitely wasn't really just freestyling off the top and going like that. I would like thinking [ __ ] like, four bars and then just record it like that, you feel me? Or like, even when I was writing, like I felt like I was wasting time writing, cuz I'm thinking of [ __ ], and then when I'm writing [ __ ], I'm thinking too long trying to write down one bar instead of just like, all right, I'm already in my head, say it, boom, say it right, and then just keep going from there, you feel me? I feel like I'm wasting—that's like literally when you think about it—that's the elite, that's elite status [ __ ]. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, the elite status. I can't—I can't remember [ __ ] word. Yeah. Now Southside used to say that too, though. When I first started recording with Southside, like he used to see my process. That's when I first—like, that was around the time when uh, when Juice was like going crazy and [ __ ], when I'm learning how to really freestyle for real. So I used to just sit in the studio and listen to the beat, and I probably listen to that [ __ ] for like five, ten minutes. But as I'm listening [ __ ], thinking I'm just listening to the beat, but in my head I'm coming up with at least like eight bars that I remember for sure. Once you come up with the first like eight to twelve bars, you good. Like I got like four, eight off the top of my head I could do now. The next twelve, all that [ __ ], like really a freestyle for—I could just come in and just punch it. Like I feel like I always had—like when I first started rapping—that [ __ ] don't really had no happen, little more—it's a little easier for me. But I used to have the most trouble with like my first four and my last four, 'm because I'm I'm I'm trying to really make the most sense and tell the story. Anyway, so it's like the last four going to the hook, so you got to kind of coincide with the hook. The first four is what you leading them with; you got to get them intrigued with the first four bars at least. You feel what I'm saying? Like, right. So that was my whole motto: like, long as my first four—I got—if I'm coming in with eight bars, I can just cruise my way through and make sure my last four word two going to the hook, like that's how I really learned how to freestyle type, right? How—let's talk about I Don't Want to Die. Yeah, why would you name a song that? That was—um—I ain't gonna lie, I got a—I got a—that was Southside, really. That was Southside's idea. I got to give credit to Big Broke; he sent me that song, and he was—he was um, getting ready to drop his album, which still ain't came out to this day. This [ __ ] still—he rich, he—he about—he ain't—he about to drop right now, though. But he was going to make that the intro to the to the next album he was dropping, and I just—he just told me like, man, just go crazy. But I—I—he had put the sample in there where it was saying like, you know, I don't want to die. He like, man, just go crazy on that [ __ ], and I was listening to it, and when I heard the sample, I was in Chicago too, when I recorded that [ __ ]. That was during quarantine, matter of fact, one [ __ ] just stuck in Chicago. And when I heard it, just putting—in a different type of like, man—on, but like the [ __ ], a [ __ ] was rapping about—I think it probably like was like right on key because I was in Chicago. You know, when you in Chicago, you got a different—it's a different aura; you feeling that energy. You feel what I'm saying? Like, if I'm in LA, I'm going to ride around in a regular car. You feel—I'm in a regular foreign. And when I get to Chicago, I want to be in a bulletproof truck. Just the mindset of just what Chicago do, and just the [ __ ] I've been through and the [ __ ] I experienced, it make me think—it make me act the way I got to move and everything when I'm there. So I feel like I think just me doing that [ __ ] and like—it's—I—I—I like that that song really crazy, though. Like, when you really think about it, like [ __ ] talking about like how I shot the video like with all the kids and all the different scenarios or like kids' situations, like it's—it's bigger than just being in the streets, you feel me? Like, when you in Chicago, it's—anything can happen. Know what I'm saying? Like kids get hit—strays cross that [ __ ] is so frequent in Chicago, like you know what I'm saying—more than any other city. So like, it just put me in a different man frame and try to like talk about my situation and like what I experienced and still like recollect to like what happened on a day-to-day that don't got nothing to do with anything street-related, you feel me? Because people try to like associate everything that's going on in Chicago with just like street [ __ ], but that [ __ ]—like, it's sh—beyond that, because it—it affect everybody, you know what I'm saying? It don't just affect victims; it affect the mothers, affect—you feel I'm saying—affect everybody who don't got nothing to do with nothing street-oriented at all, you feel me? So the whole family—victim. Yeah, exactly. That's how like that [ __ ] came about, like mentally—like the [ __ ] I was rapping about. Let me ask you, cuz like, in—in New York City, right, every summer the crime rate goes up, right? Because they say like [ __ ] like that in Chicago. Yeah, but y'all crime rate still crazy in the winter. Yeah, yeah. But the summer's wild, though. The summer's even worse, though. Yeah, yeah. Summer's even worse. Even worse. They—they give—the crime is crazy, zero below and [ __ ] still shooting. They got gloves, special gloves, or what the [ __ ] happened? Know what a [ __ ] got? I don't know what a [ __ ] got. [ __ ] is cold. It's not funny, but I—it's not funny, but it's like—like you just think about it statistically. New York City sometime—it's—so you saying in New York, like the—the—the crime rate really—it don't really be as hot during the winter. Yeah, [ __ ] too cold, and the Timberlands is heavy. You know what I mean? Like [ __ ] don't be running—running and [ __ ]. I don't know. No, it's mandatory October 1st, Timberlands come out, not in the winter—that is the window. Nigo, not C—we don't got wi in Miami. I don't know. All right, calm down. All right, that's why we get it. All right, that's why I really—I ain't gonna lie—you got to like—it's—it be big to this—like—like not even no—no joke, and [ __ ] to like talk about that [ __ ], and people think like, as an artist, you are glorified, you feel what I'm saying? But it's just like the experience and the [ __ ] niggas go through—you would think is mind-blowing, you feel what I'm saying? Like how you saying that [ __ ] happened 365, no matter—no matter what, you feel me? And that's just built off like [ __ ] whatever Trump [ __ ] got going on—on what they going through, you feel what I'm saying? So like, as an artist, we just speak about this [ __ ], and you know what I'm saying? And that way, you feel me? But people would think like it's non-existent, but that [ __ ] really happened. Let's go back to gangster rap. Started like—they called it gangster rap, right? Whatever—NWA. You going from that lineage, right? I'm gonna go back real quick, and then you going to drill, and then people try to say—drill—the difference that it did in—in—in hip-hop negatively is that it started talking about real things happening in real time and started getting people hurt in real time because they talking about real things in real time.

Um, I feel like they can't really put all that responsibility on artists for one—no, you're right, you're right. And they can't put all the responsibility on just the category of drill, because rap was always rap, whether it was hip-hop, gangster rap, you know what I'm saying? Like, who's to say NWA not talking about things that was happening in real time and what's going on and how it affected other people? It's no different than what they were saying and with—with drill, you feel what I'm saying? Like how we came up rapping—we didn't try to categorize rap like, all right, we F to just talk about a straight genre called dri, you know I'm saying? We talking about negative [ __ ], you know? We was just really just talking about our life and what we was experiencing, you feel what I'm saying? That's why I don't like when they categorize things and they try to separate it, cuz I feel like they—I'm glad we having this conversation right now. No, cuz I think it's important, cuz people try to—they—they—they want to separate it, and then they isolate things and see like, this is whack, this is not whack, this good, this bad, and then they—everybody feels—they go into different areas and they're like, all right, we not that, but we're all hip-hop. Everything's hip-hop. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Old school, new school, this school, that school, South, East Coast—it's all hip-hop. It don't matter, right? That's what I'm saying. So it's like—that's what I ain't never really had a conversation where like I was—it—it came in a way where we really able to categorize like it all being hip-hop. You know, drill was just basically—it was originally like a term. It's not like we was just like, oh, this is drill rap, this not hip-hop, you feel me? It was all supposed to been rap and hip-hop, cuz that happened here in Miami, cuz in Miami that's what happened with Miami bass. Yeah, it tried to make it a subj—or it's not hip-hop, it's Miami bass music, right? It's booty music, they called it. But now looking—now that we're—we're in a different time frame now—it's all hip-hop. It's hip-hop, you what I'm saying? It's different areas, and they—they interpret hip-hop different, right? So it's like, yeah, I ain't—like—I ain't never like—and that's crazy even though like people—when I used to do interviews—you could even pull my old interviews up—I never categorized myself or like looked at myself as a drill rapper. Always felt like I was a rapper, like hip-hop artist, cuz I rapped about like soulful [ __ ]. I never just only did drill beats, you know what I'm saying? I told stories in my rap. I looked up to rappers—to Ho—to Lil Wayne and the jits—to, you know what I'm saying—always person to be a—to do that, you know? So I think I came up in the error where they just considered it drill, but I never really considered myself as a drill rapper. Anyway, you feel me? Make some noise for [Applause] us. Yes, we got you. More shots? I'm sorry's good for no reason. We just—cuz you know why? Oh, you put ice in your shot, that means we taking a shot. Yeah, cuz you know why, brother? You—you—you really a legend out here; you really deserve all the roses, the flowers, all the accolades, everything. Like, you out here, and—and you doing it honorably. You're not—you know what I mean? Like so many people from your generation will go—yeah, you know what I'm saying? You know, they take that—they take that funny route. We don't like that funny, bro. We like hard work. Yeah, no, for real, man. I ain't gonna lie, [ __ ] just—R really want to just do this [ __ ] the right way to you [ __ ] e hero. Y—y don't want no drinks? I see—I see you getting a drink. I see you—I see you—the ladies—y'all want those drinks? They got some—they got some—let's talk about Riding with It. Riding with It—R with it, man. That was—um—that was another song like—that's crazy—uh, all these songs was uh [ __ ] I recorded like during the quarantine period, like when [ __ ] really couldn't like travel, when I was on like recording PTSD and all that [ __ ] was going on. Felt like Chicago was outside when people was inside. Yeah, okay. I was—mhm—for like—you didn't care about Co at all? I didn't—I was outside. Think he was already quarantined before that. I ain't gonna lie, I care about—I didn't—I was outside. Yeah, I went to Prime 112 one night. It—like—was outside, the middle of quarantine. We—yeah, it was literally—say that again? What say—we outside on my block, 100, 200 deep in the middle of quarantine, in the middle of Co [ __ ]—ding—outside, shoot the video. I just bought my Rolls-Royce, spent 500—just bought the color and pull that [ __ ] right up on the block, shot the video, you feel me? I was just, you know, like—mask on, different mod—yeah, I had a Dior mask in the video, bro. You know—that had a Dior mask on—ong, man, in the trenches. But yeah, that—that—that—that song was—when I look back at it, man, it just make me—like, for real, really be like—just grateful of like the moment of what you get first and foremost at the artist, cuz that's like—as an artist—I mean, that's one of like—like my one of my biggest songs still to this date, and that's just me on some—that's the [ __ ] I just do naturally—like comfortable on some rapping [ __ ], just talking about, you know what I'm saying—the trenches and what I'm thinking on the day-to-day, you feel me? That's still one of my biggest songs today. But I'm saying that to say like—it just make a [ __ ] like grateful looking back, cuz I wasn't even thinking of what it was going to be to this day, and just looking back at people from the video that's like not even still here to this day—people that I lost, you feel what I'm saying? Like [ __ ] like that—you just got to not take moments for granted, you feel right? God bless. Do you—do you—cuz a lot of people um, say living in LA is dangerous as well. Do you look at it like that? Yeah, yeah, cuz that's where you live now. Yeah, I look at—I mean, I really look at a—a place like that just cuz I feel like to be aware is to be alive, you know what I'm saying? Like, I always—I'm a super alert kind of—like, people might look at it like I'm paranoid or whatever, but I'm just always thinking of like how I was raised. I think of the worst-case scenario, so I always be prepared to just do whatever to make sure I get home, to make sure I'm protected and my family protected, you feel what I'm saying? So like, I feel like—and it's crazy cuz I moved to LA to get away from that type of [ __ ]—like, I moved to LA, right? You wild for that. Yeah, like—no, I'm saying I moved to LA because I just—not even get away from like violence and [ __ ], but like I feel like in Chicago at the time it was like a crab in a bucket mentality, crab in a barrel mentality type [ __ ]. The same—because that's happens in every city, in every city—the each in there is a crab in the book—I had to like—yeah. So it's like I feel like to LA was to get away from that, and I could go and, you know, be with my family and be with my kids and go enjoy life and enjoy myself without always looking over my shoulder, you know what I'm saying? But like, I'm still taking precautions, don't matter where I'm at, you feel what I'm saying? Right. Is—they only to be careful. High accidents—cuz I know you're 28, so you—you probably can't fully understand this, but do you realize they say the first gangs that ever was invented was in Chicago? Yeah, no, yeah, I ain't gonna lie, I'm—I—I really be like—it's like—I—I be paying attention, and I study that type of [ __ ]—like, I always—I'm big on like history, you know what I'm saying? No matter what I'm at—like, I definitely—the biggest gang—it's come out—I'm big on like just history, especially Black history—like anything Black history, any type of, you know what I'm saying? Like I be into that type of [ __ ]. So yeah, I know—I feel like a lot of [ __ ] was brought on just by—for culture and generational trauma type [ __ ], you feel me? Cuz—kind of LA's culture—I don't want to say mimicked because that might be the wrong word, but um, I believe Black P Stones. Yeah, it's like the first gang in Chicago, and Black P Stones is the oldest gang in LA or one of the oldest gangs—not say that—transformed into what—oh, what would it transform into in LA? Bloods. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, but that—that originated in Chicago—wasn't—wasn't Chris before Bloods? Yeah, but—but the—that—that's the Blood part of it, you know what I mean? So um, I believe Raman Washington, if I'm—if I'm not—I mean, we definitely don't—I don't know—I'm not—but—but what I'm saying is the first recorded G originated in Chicago. Yeah, originated in Chicago. Like, I don't know if it's the terminology that they use—gang—if that's what it is, but yeah, no, yeah, that gang definitely originated in Chicago. Like, I remember going to Chicago, I swear to God, and I had my—my um, my leg—my pants leg up. Yeah, and people were like, yo, yo, yo, one up. Yeah, I didn't know what the [ __ ] was happening. They thought it was some gang [ __ ]. That was some gang [ __ ]. Yeah, I was wearing my hat the wrong way one time; they were like—hat—but I ain't never heard about the leg [ __ ]. Maybe you had your leg and your hat on the same side.

I was I was in Puerto Rican section, maybe it was that was some weird ass [ __ ] yeah, look they they tell they they tell them you nothing to talk about it, that's some weird that never happen. Let's take a shot for that. Let's take a shot for that. God damn it, that was some let's take a shot for that [ __ ] G. Let's make some noise [ __ ] G. Do not let him convince you to take a shot of that. Yeah, I ain't taking a shot of that. He but can you stand my my candle up please? Sh, thank you bro. Kill [ __ ] Kill [ __ ] kill [ __ ] man, little bit me. We speaking about it earlier, yeah like I said bro, put that whole [ __ ] together, that's crazy. Um, damn I ain't never really even spoke with this. I I recorded that verse in my little brother's crib, man. Lonely little Greg, little bro just passed away 3 years ago yesterday. Yesterday was his 3-year anniversary. Take a sh, let take a shot, let's get a shot, take a shot for Li bro man. Yeah, oh you got to pull me another shot, but uh yeah, I recorded that video on in the living room at Lio's spot uh and baby really put the whole [ __ ] together. Sh out DJ L, recorded I mean, cook the beat up right on the spot. Um um [ __ ] and we really like I think that's probably still one of my biggest streaming songs to this day. We really ain't even like know what we was doing with that [ __ ]. We shot the video, man, we probably 16, 17 years old. We shot that video at 5:5 in the morning on on sun on 78 and Kingston. It's outside, posted up on some young [ __ ] just I got a video viral, man. Um, I got a video that's still viral. Oh [ __ ] let me take this shot for little bro, man. Salo for little brosi. I got a video viral uh me and baby free. I was freestyling, this baby standing next to me. [Laughter] Hey, comeo, that's not me, this drunk. I had DJ L, DJ L who who made a beat, he was cooking the [ __ ] up on the spot, like literally it's 4:5 in the morning [ __ ] youngest H breaking curfew, 20 deep on the Block uh and Just sh U [ __ ] Jord who shot the video um just on some random [ __ ] bro and that [ __ ] just went legendary, man. Just just just kids trying [ __ ] like you feel I'm saying when I look back on it, you know what I'm saying? Like we ain't even know where that [ __ ] was going, we just shot that [ __ ] on some random [ __ ] on the Block, literally 4:5 in the morning and that [ __ ] took us where it needed to go. God damn it [ __ ] [ __ ] beautiful. All right, all right. By the way, this is this is three questions back to back because we got three [ __ ] can wreck us with little Uzi Vert. Yeah, yeah, B that's my man. What we got? Uh, me and bro got uh on my phone, we got everything uh he don't know who running [ __ ] then got come, I got this I got this trying to think of I um I forgot why I seen him. It was like 7 o' in the morning. Yeah, you saw him at 7 o' in the morning. Yeah, and I sent him a shot and and he took it at 7:00 in the morning. Yeah, yeah, that sound like him. What shot did you send him? Whatever he wanted. I I I whatever they want. Yeah, he's at another table. I was like yo I I was testing him. I was like yo tell them send him send him whatever he want and he was like yeah, he took the shot, he walked over to my table and I sent him another shot and he took it and then he sent me another shot and we was going all night. I my it's I want to say where yeah bro, real no bro, real [ __ ] for sure like me and Uzi I ain't going to lie that see me and Uzi got a different relationship bro, me and me and bro been locked in like literally since like the beginning like I'm I'm met Uzi since beginning of his career like L type [ __ ] you feel mean this my shot. I mean it's not ours. Yeah, yeah. So is this my shot? This my shot. Definitely didn't drink it unless your ice melted. Well, is this like like like a I think your ice soldier that was just hanging around. Yeah, your buddy just melted. That's probably buddy you got ice in them [ __ ] that's probably that's all. I ain't going to lie to you, if you would have hit that stoie Elite with concrete yeah you wouldn't be discreet. I ain't run up not I know I don't know I don't know. Let's go with who running first. Yeah, who run it man, shout out to my boy boy baby man, shout out baby for Dallas for sure. Uh huh, man that's who run it. That's crazy. I'll be like when I thinking about [ __ ] like that that [ __ ] told me like I had this some funny ass [ __ ] right I stood my toe I hit my toe on the [ __ ] edge of the bed, my [ __ ] was hurting bad as [ __ ] I couldn't even put my shoe on. Which toe uh was that is that relevant? Dam it to I couldn't walk. The little toe, the little one on bro [ __ ] your [ __ ] turn black man it was [ __ ] up it was yeah the top was Fu. He wants to know like how does your to really look though. He was man I couldn't I couldn't walk to Banger can you take a picture of to this day nobody know this I really went up to the [ __ ] rolled up on the little chair the little one that roll it was no wheelchair you know the little chair that spin around the f I roll one of them [ __ ] all the way on the elevator up to the [ __ ] they the freestyle my [ __ ] was [ __ ] up I'm like man I ain't even want to do this [ __ ] but that [ __ ] can't went so viral after that I'm like damn man I got to just start doing [ __ ] when I don't even want to do it like [ __ ] it just F just go through it. That [ __ ] taught me a little mental lesson, but anyway I had did the freestyle and put that [ __ ] on my page then Drake had DM'd me like man make that [ __ ] a song. Okay, time out bro, say that again. I had did the freestyle I told sh one [ __ ] baby I did the freestyle after I stood my toe I went slit in your dce after your toe was hurt after I posted the [ __ ] on my page Drake head hit me in the DM like man make that [ __ ] a song. Drake is a legend bro, he's a legend. Yeah, shout out my [ __ ] Drake man and he told you you the future. He did bro, that's hard. Got to do record together man. Y got to get a record together. Say he can't say that and then not do the record with you, you know that man me going to get it done, you know that. Who you you play basketball? Yeah, yeah yeah. Who you think and we who me and Drake yeah we hey hey what big bro with man we gave Drake ass work man he was mad he put us out the studio we won he a to it he know they we we won they lost. Wait wait wait tell on we was in the break scenario get your sh ready okay hold on so what happened all right tell us tell we was at the crib in LA hooping who was on our team it was me big bro who's big bro we need to know A1 right there that's big bro okay Addy was on our team shout my [ __ ] add on bro so this is shout Town against Toronto is this what happened uh uh it was that was ouro dash dash he um my bro Aaron sh you know big CEO over at ging on Brody okay Brody so four on four and we was playing we play we play uh Drake little man we played Drake 21 Savage who was on their team it was like two more people I ain't going lie we bust they ass though bust Drake and 21 Savage yeah 20 21 was playing with him to bro but that was a little that was a little scrimmage though I ain't really do too much baing on it but they I ain't going to lie you bat yourself up and took it back I'm not sure won y won yeah what was the game what what was it like like how many points how many points probably play like 11 12 11 or some [ __ ] it was probably like four on four yeah four on four no full court oh full court okay full court yeah bro where was this at in LA La in LA bro so you smoked Drake and 21 we won in the phone F yeah we we beat him that's what happened they everybody know I just want to be commentary for part two show you know versus once this [ __ ] go viral they going contest to it let's start the basketball everybody going to want a rematch you know how this [ __ ] go uhuh we going to do the side commentary yeah I want to do the side commentary we going to host we going to host it we going to host it give our shots and it's going to be a charity game we can't wait so you saying if you all right so you and who against Drake and 21 Savage two on two me and bro me and bro you don't want no smoke he just said no we you said no like I'm going to smoke them like he said like no yet yeah that's nothing talk about so two on two I'm calling Ice Cube tomorrow we going to make a different League me and bro again 10 21 that's sweet I'm go that's overly do we got this on camera I'm use the bathroom com right come on we all going to go to the bathroom on that oh yeah oh that was all that was Underdog fantasy we finally are able to you know speak about sports yes make a little bit of money save some people some money that's right make some people some money makes money money so what what we doing this week what how we look we going right into Super Bowl Sunday hold up big we need the drink Champs Army to download the underdog fantasy app use the Cod Champs or drink or Champs that's right and for every hundred up to $100 that you deposit it'll get matched because you use the drink Champs code that's how much efn got money he's matching the the money himself right [Applause] now for those that been sleeping on the Rock is the Kansas City Chiefs versus the San Francisco 49ers in Las Vegas. I go with the chief top ask me why I'm going with the Chiefs. Why you going with the Chiefs? We do not go against Mahomes I learned that a long time ago and we don't go against Strange Music Tech N9ne man they celebrating too shout out to them man it's their team let's go I love how you made that making okay okay strange musicout shout out to all that but I'm going with San Francisco 49ers I think the defense is is going to step it up I think they're uh they're gonna follow suit and destroy the the Las Vegas uh numbers okay oh the Super Bowls in Vegas leg Stadium marijuana is legal so hook Rivals pick however I like uh Kansas City to squeak it out it's going to be a close game but I like to win it as Underdog and as Underdog fantasy I think uh I I'll be the underdog in this pick I think 49ers will do why you think 49ers is an underdog in this absolutely bro everybody's not picking against Mahomes or or or uh Kelsey but 49ers got Christian McCaffrey and Debo I like his name Debo man yeah it's Debo yeah I liked him in Friday too so what are the picks man what are we doing what what what are we what am I how am I going to make bread yeah let me know get that let's bring Cam Newton out this [ __ ] let's go who's who's lower let's go let's take him out so as far as quarterback positions Brock Purdy from the 49ers as rushan yards cuz you know quarterbacks also run yeah so will Brock Purdy go higher or lower than 12.5 in rushing yards he'll go higher he's ALS he's a young buck too man he's not an old cat okay I said higher I'm not going to lie I think I'm going go lower cuz I think he going to fold cuz you know everyone think everyone thinks they're ready for that big stage but them lights and cameras is a lot brighter in real life I agree and when you got so I I I I think that it's a possibility that this guy might come to the line of scrimmage and fold up now we we're going to keep tally on all these choices cuz we going to do one of them we're recording it so we're keeping track now for passing yards will Brock Purdy go higher or lower than 244.50 I mean you going to come first I don't know what the [ __ ] I I say lower lower I say lower 100% lower cuz I believe they're going to be handing the ball off to McCaffrey right so that's not going to give him an opportunity to throw for almost 250 yards I'm going lower I'm going to go lower too man I think he's going to get the rushing yards but I don't think he's going to get the passing yards well I'll give him some positivity he's going higher he's going higher like okay now Patrick Mahomes we all know who he is he Isom he is a two-time Super Bowl champion Mahomes all he is a two-time Super Bowl champion and he won twice I thought he only won once no he won twice oh yeah he's definitely this in it's in a b this will be this will be his attempt for third this is his the threee well they're going for it they trying to go back to back cuz they won last year yes yeah this will be a repeat right a repeat other but he going to get three he'll be three wow that's a bad Shut Your Mouth yeah oh Kansas City Kansas City this is their fifth this is their fourth appearance in they kill kill they doing it so let's go with Patrick Mahomes Will he'll be rushing for higher or lower than 25.5 yards definitely higher cuz he's been doing it for the past four games higher on the running foot I'm saying higher because I feel like this is Mahomes Moment Like Him securing his his his his uh uh John Elway type of Legacy you know what I'm saying saying that too John Elway I feel like that's way he that he's leaning towards like you know that that Nature Boy Ric Flair stamped it's just his name is there and I think more I think that this is this is this is it all these pigs that we're discussing all on the underdog fantasy app we just not making this [ __ ] up right that's right you download the under uh Underdog fantasy app and use the promo code drink Champs and get your fre or drink or Champs and get your $100 get your free money up promo code drink Champs promo code drink Champs drink or Champs Underdog fantasy download it right now now [Music] so let me ask you what's your favorite making a record or performing a record um making it making a record right um I think making a record because just the creative space uh I feel like when you like from an artist perspective in my opinion I'm already making the record with purpose and knowing if I'm going to perform it shoot it or whatever already you already know what you're doing with the exactly so it's like I'm already like once once I at least get in the process of it I could figure how this going to recollect in shows or whatever from the first day I make it you know what I'm saying shows video however it's going to be you know what I'm saying you do a lot of festivals and [ __ ] right yeah I I do festivals yeah I'm saying yeah I mean I heard you you you be out the big Festival yeah I done uh laas I did Lollapalooza and you know rolling loud Lollapalooza and all that [ __ ] yeah all the big festivals that's Urban yeah yeah I like the fact that you say that some people say that they think that you don't have a hit record but you say I I can't tell because my fans is it's a hit for the fans don't matter every [ __ ] night so it's like I I'll be saying this a lot like like not in a bad way I feel like it's obvious like I I feel like I'm one hit record away because I never really caught a break while I went top Billboard and no [ __ ] like that you feel what I'm saying but I always built a core fan base cuz I stayed consistent in a way where I fed the you know what I'm saying the people who [ __ ] with me you feel me like organically whether it's like me dropping enough projects or me just being featured on enough [ __ ] cuz everybody [ __ ] with me and you know what I'm saying delivering in that type of way but and I ain't going to lie I feel like I ain't never really had leverage to just really drop consistently how I wanted to cuz I ain't never mapped it out the way I wanted to you feel what I'm saying like and I'm saying that like on some [ __ ] where like me being independent the whole time I can drop music but I ain't never really like put no rollout where it's like all right but I'm going to drop four mixtapes or two albums or some [ __ ] like with a certain budget that allocates how you do it exactly cuz you know niggas really doing this [ __ ] independent so everything how you can do it when you can do it you feel what I'm saying exactly you know how this [ __ ] go it's like I feel like with having that if I would have had the advantage to really do that from a a perspective of uh somebody who got a label budget or whatever he say you know what I'm saying like [ __ ] I feel like [ __ ] would have probably like slowed me down I'm glad it like you know what I'm saying I'm glad I build some [ __ ] organically where it's like I don't have to chase it right I don't have to chase it you're better than most artists to be honest with you bro what I'm saying you don't need that machine you don't need that budget if the budget comes to you eventually you going to know how to use it but right you don't need that like to to have to not have a hit record like the technical hit record and have the following you have is amazing man like and like salute to you your fans are crazy bro that's what I'm saying so it's like I feel like that [ __ ] really but I'm going be I'm going be his devil advocate if they come with that bag them labels take that goddamn me and read the contract bro don't just take the bag the B is that no yeah yeah yeah the B the bag is a loan man it's a loan it's not a bag it's very true it's a b they say I'm going hold on to it a little bit like this it's like this you know it's very true I ain't going to lie I feel like it was like I said it was like some some I didn't even know what it like in my mind I didn't know what it was I feel like I was building like a a real business where I can go I I got the opportunity to like say yeah and N you know what I'm saying you feel me like with building that because I don't have to like put I could put out music and just feed my audience like I don't got to make sure I got a single or whatever before I drop an album or you know what I'm saying like just certain [ __ ] I got the advantage.

It's just pros and cons with being able to just be like, independent. Having a core fan base where it's like they're just waiting on me to drop music. They don't get no [ __ ] what you're in a place where every artist wants to be in. Every single artist wants to be where you're at, whatever it is. Like, it don't matter what the [ __ ] I drop or how I drop it, they just tuned in for what's coming up.

And you got this weird balance, right? Cuz, um, what I mean by that is, most of the time you have the respect from the fans, or you have the respect from the industry. A lot of people don't have that balance of having both. Yeah, and you got that. You got the respect from the fans; the fans respect you equally how the industry respects you. And that's like, like I, I said, I, I labeled it weird because I have no other word to, to, to name it, because that's weird. I've never seen that; like, I've never really seen the equal amount of respect.

Do you, do you feel that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's just like—and when I hear from like, like he, from people—yeah, we can definitely take a shot for that, you know? That I'm ask—let's two shots for that. Let's do that. It's on you; it's your show, brother.

Do it your show.

Yes, yes, yes. Cuz, cuz, cuz I ain't going to lie, sh—we've been doing this—I said two shots. Okay, well, I got, I need another one. I've been—we've been doing this—

No, no, but I said two shots. She's in; I'm back. I'm [ __ ] with you. I'm [ __ ] with—I got you. But that's, that's a, that's a seldom—yeah, very rare thing.

No, I be noticing that though, bro. I ain't li—like, I—it just come from, from being solid, man. I just be trying to, like—and it, it's like it—I felt like in a way—no funny [ __ ]—like, I think when I, when I was so young and, and when this [ __ ] started taking off for me, I think I didn't just like understand my star power, understand who I was. Why I never got close to like certain other artists or it did capitalize on that.

Yeah, I didn't capitalize on it early on. You feel what I'm saying? Something from that I felt like with that, like—and people [ __ ] with me—by the time it got to a point where I think I felt comfortable with myself, people [ __ ] with me, and then I was able to build genuine relationships where it's like, now these people I [ __ ] with, I actually [ __ ] with, like on a genuine relationship level or a personal relationship level, like, real business relationship. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just really grown on, on that type of [ __ ]. I'm saying, so it's like I think that just came from really—it was natural though, because I wasn't—and, and I, I see now, like I started learning years later that [ __ ] really handled my career where it's like certain [ __ ] I wasn't pulling up to certain shows when artists was in town to come out and do certain [ __ ].

Like, I remember one time, bro, I ain't going to lie, my homie Kobe, man—God rest his soul—he got killed, um, in 2013, and, um, and, and T here came to the town. He had came in Chicago, and he was like, you know, trying to get up with a [ __ ], like, Tip was trying to get up—he like, man, he wanted me to pull up to the shop on Ston, but I, I swear to—I'm outside waiting on the, the, the ambulance come pick my homie body up off the ground, right? That sorry for that, bro, watching them. You feel what I'm saying? Like, certain [ __ ], like, it—I feel like it hindered my career, cuz I used to have that same type of mindset where I wasn't just doing [ __ ] cuz I felt like I, I was like too, like, deep in the streets. So I felt like I was too like stuck in my way as where I, I ain't want to like put myself in an uncomfortable environment or uncomfortable like place to try to like go mingle with other people with stars and [ __ ] like that. You feel what I'm saying? Like, because I didn't want to like just go on the lam or just trying to like, right? You feel me? So it just—I ain't going to lie, for years and years that [ __ ] was my problem though, right?

Um, I moved to Miami, right? And I, I would like to say Miami saved my life, right?

Me? You're, you're welcome. Damn, tell them how you really feel. But yeah, I would like to say that Miami kind of saved my life, right? Because—but I still, still get those phone calls, yo, such and such is over for him, you know? He just died; they killed him over there.

I feel to a certain extent Miami helps me deal with that pain.

Yeah, does being in LA help you? Cuz, I mean, I'm sure we get the same phone call.

No, that's what I'm saying. I feel like LA definitely did that, because that's dope. Even like just being a different environment, that energy is not around me. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I remember Chief Keef moved to LA, right?

Exactly, like that's why I really—he got with the paintball [ __ ]—that's why I really—that's another reason why I really just like [ __ ] with S so much, cuz he just always took a chance and just done [ __ ]. Like, he just went to LA. You feel me? Like that gave other [ __ ] like, as like, damn, S could do it, we could do it. Like that's what I felt like. You feel me? Like, so move to LA, I like, I could go to LA, you know, AB, you know, like, you know, like—but that [ __ ] was like when that [ __ ] wasn't possible to us, like [ __ ] going to move to LA type [ __ ]. You feel I'm saying? Los Angeles, Los Angeles—going to never coming back. Like those was my intentions, like, well, I'm going to go out there and never come back. You feel me? Like that's what I felt like, you know? And still rep the city, and still rep the city. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, but of course [ __ ] really went back in, you know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying like, just—we ain't even think that [ __ ] was possible. Folks went out there that made me like, all right, man, folks could do it, we could do it. That's real [ __ ].

Let's talk about "Blues" featuring Future. "Blues" on BR. It's very hard to get Future on the record, on for—

Yeah, you cannot get Future on the rec.

Yeah, no Pluto—very hard. That's big bro.

No, I ain't going to lie, Future, like, no [ __ ], he, he one of the like real, like real [ __ ] that really like gave [ __ ] some like guidance when it came to real-life [ __ ]. Like, this why I really [ __ ] with [ __ ] with big bro for real, cuz he had pull you to the side and like tell you some [ __ ] that you wouldn't even think he was paying attention to. Like, that's what made me know like big bro was a real [ __ ]. Like, he had come tell me some [ __ ], like, yeah, man, I seen this or some [ __ ] that got probably to do with like your career or some personal [ __ ], and you wouldn't even think he know.

Big up F, like, big up—yeah, big bro for real. Cuz like that let you know like he really [ __ ] with you. Genuinely trying to tell you some [ __ ] that like are really help you. You feel what I'm saying? Like, so like music—he seen the whole [ __ ]. Like, he, he been down with Dungeon Family back then, for—he's, he's hip-hop—my—the first time I met big bro was, was in the hood anyway, like in my neighborhood. You feel what I'm saying?

What, what first time you met Future was in where?

Yeah, hell yeah, shout out man, big bro. First time I met uh, Pluto was uh—we call him Future—we realize you've been calling Pluto—interview realize you're privileg—that's if you call him Pluto, you're privileg.

Yeah, that's, that's his nickname to the world.

Yeah, but um, yeah, first time I met bro was [ __ ] like 2016 or some [ __ ] in like, in the neighbor—in my neighborhood though, like, right by my—

But he was just hanging out in your neighborhood?

On—nah, stop, for real. No, boy, sh—he didn't call you—no—he was outside posted up in the trenches, man.

N—nah, stop that. I ain't B for real.

Oh, bro, Future just outside on your H, in your hood?

Oh, bro, PL a [ __ ], he with man, sh—yeah, the first time I met him just pulled up on, on some random [ __ ]. But yeah, bro, real [ __ ]. He didn't know you before you met him, like you just—he know—

No, he a know me, hell no, not for real. Well, he knew me a little bit, but not—no—

Yeah, that's fine.

Oh, bro, we making some noise for Future.

Oh, bro, you know that, that's dope. So let's talk about this record. How did you, how did it come about?

Um, s—bro, Southside—shout out Southside—he had uh, put the [ __ ] together. Um, I was putting the album—we was in Miami—I had pulled up on him, you know? Bro, he, you know that [ __ ] easy for bro, for, for, for Future, man. That [ __ ] come—he definitely don't—

Right.

Yeah, that [ __ ] come like second nature. You pull up on bro in the studio, you just play some [ __ ]. If he [ __ ] with it, that [ __ ], then it take him like 20 minutes. He just like—I ain't never really like—and I ain't going to lie, when, when, when he recorded that [ __ ], when he recorded—I had went back on my second verse, cuz like I seen like how he like his, his whole process and [ __ ], like how he did it, it made me go back—it made me go back on my [ __ ], like on the second part, like on the second part of my verse, like, just basically how like you go like different cadences. Like, I'll be, I'll be sing some rap [ __ ], you know? I just really just try to like go by, by like—I like—after bro put some [ __ ] on there, I maybe like take the balls off and go different cadences, like on some mic [ __ ] type [ __ ]. But like, yeah, shout out the bro PH. He going—he, he just challenging [ __ ], just on some—hey, his recording process—he get—and it just—any—I'm sure any nigga could contest when you get in the studio of Pluto, like how you record it—just make you want to like, theck listen, cuz you got like 15,000 features, right?

Yeah, I got a lot of features, now—now I got you—SAU sauced up.

True, true. Has there ever been somebody that fronted on you that you wanted to do a record with? Let's keep, keep it real now. You want Drink Champs—keep it real now. It's one person in—fronted on everybody, let's just keep it real.

I got Maya—Maya fronted on me. She's coming on this—

She didn't front on you, bro. You did a record with her.

Yes, I did a record with her. She on me. I wouldn't really say fronted, but if I was going to say like any feature I really anticipated coming out that never really came out that I try to [ __ ] with was, was Yay. Yay head P me. He was—

Yeah, yeah. This is before Donald—like 3 years ago.

Uh, I, I was locked in. Yeah, we had did like two, three songs. Uh, I pulled up on him in the rack, and I did some other [ __ ] in New York. He had sent me—he have blonde hair at this time. This was like right before the blonde hair—before the blond—before the like, the spots in the head, too.

No, cuz I'm trying to figure out, bro. This is right before that, before the spots in the hair.

Okay, all right. So y'all went in the studio in Chicago, but we had did some [ __ ]. He really like—I had—I laid some [ __ ], then he told me redo it. Of course, you know how he is. He super like strategic, picky and [ __ ], but when he did—I feel like when he told me to redo it, that [ __ ] was over, over hard. Like, he made me do some crazy [ __ ].

You wasn't feeling it?

No, no, I did—I liked it. I [ __ ] with the [ __ ].

So you was agreeing with him telling you to redo it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, um, really what I'm saying is like, when, when I did to [ __ ], the [ __ ], I'm thinking the [ __ ] was going to come out on his project, but I was trying to use it too, though. I was trying to use it for some, some of my [ __ ]. So he basically ain't let me use it for me, trying to get some [ __ ], thinking it's going to come on his [ __ ], and it ain't never come on his [ __ ]. But other than that, I ain't really tripping.

Then why couldn't you use it?

I ain't want to use it no more, after, after it was too—I already put my [ __ ]—use it, huh?

You didn't want to use it?

No, I had already put my project out.

So if you have a chance, would you work with Kanye right now?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then produce or produce and feature. You know, he probably like how work—he going to produce the [ __ ] anyway, unless somebody else do it. You feel what I'm saying? But like, I ain't going to lie to you, I [ __ ] with—like, I just like—just got a different type of love for Ye, cuz you know, he from the—career, man.

Yeah, I got a love—no, but he, he's a super genius, let me just tell you. Super—I, I write rhymes and calligraphy in my mind.

Calligraphy, huh?

Wow, bro, out of control right now. And graffiti—calligraphy and graffiti—calligraffiti.

Calligraffiti. You like it? You like it? You like it?

No one—if, if I give you—if I show you how I write rhymes, you'll be like, there's no way that's a rhyme.

Yeah. Only man in the world that could read my rhyme was Kanye. That man read my [ __ ]. We were in Carbone, we sitting there—what's the guy name—knew what you was saying.

What's the guy name?

Um, uh, Trump's, Trump's homie—Jar Kushner.

Jared Kushner. Come on, that's a weird name drop right now, bro.

Oh, you think I'm [ __ ]?

No, no, no, I don't think—got and everything to—you know who you talking about.

No, yeah, you don't know who he talking about. So I'm in—daughter's husband.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm in Carbone—who was a part of Trump's cabinet—he—so I'm in there, and then, and then, and Ye said something to me, and I'm like, oh yeah, I was right. And Jared was right there.

Yeah, Jar—yeah, Jar. He said, listen, Nori, I love, I love your R. He said—I was like—so Ye said something, and I said, oh [ __ ], look, I was writing this earlier. So I showed it to him, thinking like, cuz no one can read my handwriting. It's just not possible. Nobody—Capone—my wife—nobody—that [ __ ]. Yay read my [ __ ], like he was PR. So he really read it—what he was rapping it though, I'm saying like—

Yes, he wrapped—rapping it—reading—like—I was like, I grab my phone—give me my [ __ ]. I had never knew anybody—

No, no, go back, go back, go back. Relax. Let's slow down. Hold on.

Yeah, wait, wait.

Yeah, come on, let's go.

No, no, we, we both, we got both got questions.

Wait, I'm saying he reading your lyrics that you wrote. He saiding like it—all right. And this is real talk. He had just did the Cardi B verse. So when he did the Cardi B verse, he said something, and I was like, oh [ __ ], look, I wrote that this morning—whatever he said on the Cardi B verse—I was like, look, look, look. I just wanted you to say—I WOTE that—is so—most people would look at that one line and give you back your phone—he there—read my whole rhyme. He was like, how many, how many verses you had or how many bar—it was like a 24-bar verse, and he readed it the whole—I said [ __ ], I never—Capone can't do that. I rapped K for my whole [ __ ] life, but he wrapped in a way that you were like—

It's like me—yes—what you say—he wrapped it in what? Cuz this's the thing—you're saying that he said it in a way that it sounded like you?

Yes, yes. I swear to God, I had never—I gave him my phone expecting him to read—

That's what I'm—that's what I'm trying to figure out, like you say he reading it or you say reading it like—like you confused.

Wait, hold on. Hey, please, I'm here for this [ __ ].

So you saying he reading it off your notes, right? Or, or your handwriting?

It's not your handri—

Got—hand—his phone—his—my hand—hand—it's not your handwriting, bro. Stop it, bro.

What do you mean? It was my hand—it was my notes—it was my notes—it was my—your handwriting—but wait—what—stop—wait—what? You, you, you in another—you're another verse. So wait—is he tripping or am I tripping?

He's tripping.

Okay. What? It's on your phone, right?

It's on my phone.

So it's not your handwriting.

All right. Listen, listen, listen. All right, let me, let me re-edit what I just said. He plays me the Cardi, right? That he had just did for Cardi B—this is not out—so one line on there—I wanted him to know—oh [ __ ], what you just said—I wrote this morning—on my phone. So I show him—my voice—not my voice—

Yeah, not my voice.

No, excuse me. Uh, you know the yellow pad, but you ain't—hand—your hand—

Oh, it's not my handri.

Okay. Come on, you [ __ ], you [ __ ], foul [ __ ], you doing the [ __ ] out. So I'm tripping, though. That's my fault.

What I'm saying is your fault—don't take fault for that. What I'm saying—the reason I'm saying my fault—you WR—WR graffiti—yeah, I write a—you know—I don't know what the [ __ ] is—B, C, D—what I'm saying—no one can't read my [ __ ], all right? Cuz I writing graffiti, all right? So he reading it, but I'm saying—all right, so even how he reading it—he reading it in your flow, how you would have wrapped.

He readed it like me—like how you would have wrapped it.

Yes, right. And I got scared as a [ __ ]. I said, give me back my phone. How many bars you like? It was, it was like 24—he hit all 24, like he was just like—and I'm looking at this [ __ ], like, cuz I'm like, who the hell said that?

Yeah, I'm like, oh [ __ ], it's my phone—give my [ __ ] back. That nigga's a—

Yes, I believe that. Let's talk about lawyer fees. Lawyer fees.

Uh, yeah, let's see. That's, that's Polo G again, man. You know me—Lio—

Yeah, me and Lio got a different type of chemistry, man. You call him—you got a nickname for everybody. What's he—

Said bro—I said Polo. That's just brosi on bro.

Okay, well, um, yeah, me, me and—we got a different type of chemistry for sure. Like I said, we getting com—trees bros.

Thank you. Listen guys, I got nothing to do with this side of the room. Word. Like that—the [ __ ] with the champ. How about Kodak? What you—Kodak?

Kod—that's my sh—going—he's home.

Yo, bro, home?

Yeah, for sure, man. That's good, man. That's good. That's the homie, bro. That's my dog [ __ ].

N—kak's a good dude, bro, right?

Yeah, co—co K—I ain't going to lie, he—you cannot—we love—

You Kodak bro, stay home. Stay home, Kodak. We love you, bro. I love that I [ __ ] with that boy. That [ __ ] let me just tell you something.

Let me address the critics real quick. The critics of what? A lot of people were like, "Oh my God, he was so [ __ ] high. Drink Chance, he's so [ __ ] drunk." That's a lie. That [ __ ] stayed here for four hours afterwards. If he was high and [ __ ] up, you out of here as soon as you leave. That [ __ ] stayed out here and shut down a block—the whole block. He stayed here and [ __ ] signed autographs, bro. Like, yeah, no bro, bro, man. That [ __ ] smart as hell, man. Kodak, real one, man. Like, come on, man. Let's leave that [ __ ] alone. And I, I, I hate addressing like, you know, [ __ ] like that, but you know, I want to defend him. Want to defend him. He was not high. He was, he was, he, he was cool. He was, he was just Kodak, man. Bro, yeah, boy. Yak was just being Yak, man. On bro. And, and that's the thing about y'all's generation. Yeah, there's a lot of our generation started to judge y'all in that aspect. What I mean is that's we, we was exactly y'all, exactly everything y'all did, we did. But then now that we're older, oh, what would they let him do that? I think it's, I think it's probably like the internet perception, like everything being broadcasted on the internet. You feel what I'm saying? Think everybody's quick to judge, like everybody's quick to judge us and like judge y'all, you know what I'm saying?

But at the end of the day, bro, every like every artist, everybody's got their own flaws. Got to end on every, you know what I'm saying? Like, personal [ __ ] going on. You feel what I'm saying? But like, like I ain't seeing like no artist, for instance, or whatever the case may be. Like, and, and I'm glad that you're saying that because [ __ ] all we did was follow the footsteps of what we seen and what we knew, you know, right? Which is not necessarily right. That wasn't necessarily right, but it was right because at the end of the day, right, it was the foundation of helping us get to where we are. Know what I'm saying? Y'all done something that was unthinkable or unseen of or unheard of. Or y'all broke the deal and was wrong. It was wrong. It always say something. Our generation [ __ ] up, man, right? Our generation [ __ ] up. So whatever y'all [ __ ] up is, is kind of our mistake. And I'm not blaming, I'm not blaming Nori or this, I ain't nobody. Point no finger of no—I'm telling you something right now. This is way—I'm, I'm from the DJ aspect, not the artist aspect, but the DJ. As what happened is in the 90s, hip-hop started making money—real money, right? This is my, my opinion. I can't tell you this what it is; it's my opinion and what I think happened is that the artists said, "Oh, [ __ ], we making real money. We not going to ever get old, right? We, it's like the YOLO forever, right? We not going to pass down information, and we're not going to change anything. We're not gonna—" This is not a culture; we going to make this business. We going to make money forever. And then that's what happened. There was a stagnation of information—exactly—of culture. And bu—you a mad big words just now. Stagnation and information. No, but he, he knows these words. No, we, we, he don't know these words. You know [ __ ] works. It's just real, man. And that's, that's what happened, bro. Like, like there was a part, a section of time where people stopped informing each other. No, but for sure he's right though, cuz it's like we picked up the, the back, the [ __ ], the backlash of everything y'all did—right and wrong. Everything y'all right, we picked up everything wrong y'all did. We picked up too, you feel what I'm saying? It was, yeah, wrong and right. So it's like it was a, you know, we, we got to, of course, be grateful. We got to take what comes with it, like you see. You got to take that comes good and the bad. But as far as like the, the, like the perspective of imagery, like the perspective of an artist and what you put out and the negativity that comes behind that, and just the misinformation of the business, what I'm saying. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like you just said the same thing. So like both of them was like a, it was like a, a two-flip coin. We took in a good and a bad. It was just what came behind you know, the generation before us. And then it's like the generation after us going to do the same thing. Yeah, that was like, I mean, n, it, it's deep because to a certain extent, I play, I take place in that, right? You do. We do. We do. Meaning there was a lot of foul artists that came before me, and when I seen them, they never gave me advice. So I was like, "[ __ ] it, right? [ __ ] them, [ __ ] right, and [ __ ] this industry." It's true. I'mma stay in my own [ __ ] zone. And then I actually didn't give advice to young homies when I seen them. When I seen them, I felt like they felt like how I felt—like, "[ __ ] it, this young, this older [ __ ]." Cuz everybody, and then older, older is actually dope. The older you get, to be old is, is a luxury. Hell yeah, it's a luxury. A-B, hell yeah. Come on, let's understand. Look up to—that's why I look up to y'all [ __ ] so much. You feel what I'm saying? But listen, like how you saying that, that [ __ ] only passed on generation. No more marijuana. Whoa, you want to go back to SM? But I do. Yeah, yeah, I do. This, this, this is—this is—you want to call it, you want to call it cocaine too? What? Yeah, this is blood. You see, I ain't smoked in so long. Yeah, my, my lungs is still—on the night, only on Drink Champs though. But listen, so what I'm saying to say is like, so like for like the generation you saying like, all right, "[ __ ] it, these [ __ ]. I ain't sharing no, I ain't showing no." Well, like in the industry, I see firsthand the [ __ ]. Like you might have like bad experience with a certain artist now you don't [ __ ] with nobody. Do like that's terrible. Now it's like, damn, now the next [ __ ] who you might really [ __ ] with, you, he might be looking at you like you a certain way. You might be looking at him like he a certain way. You feel what I'm saying? Just off the fact that you just holding on to that, and that's going to hinder your career too. But it's like, you feel me? It's just like, I didn't see that [ __ ] firsthand. Like you got to meet Nipsey. Yeah, hell yeah. N, wow. You know what's so crazy, man, bro? I ain't even being funny. I'm glad you're asking these questions. This [ __ ] like coming up. Cuz one of my first experiences when I first met Nipsey, I was, I used to be going to LA, um, like I was like 20 or [ __ ] young. I got, I'm in a Range, I think I'm in like a Bentley or something. I'm going to a random ass 7-Eleven. This when I'm used to be drinking lean and all type of [ __ ] U. I'm going to a random 7-Eleven, and I'm going to grab like a Kit Kat or something. This [ __ ], Nipsey pulls up in a black Maybach, doo by itself, goes to the ATM, looking. I'm like, this Nipsey. I do Hills. I feel like I know that 7-Eleven. No, we wasn't even in Beverly Hills. He was like, then a Waffle House on, gal, somewhere. We was in, we was in—no Beverly Hills, man. He pulled up, he in the Maybach, on bro. I hollered on like, damn, you know, like this was early on. And you're G-Hero at this time. Does he know who you are? Like, yeah, he knows who I am. Okay, okay. I wasn't turn, turn—I'm like on some, like I'm turnin' in. Yeah, I'm turnin' in on bro. And I see bro, you know, like we just [ __ ] around, like, damn, like, you know what I'm saying? That just maybe like that's how we locked in. Like I ain't gonna lie, it was just like, like every, like since that day, you feel what I'm saying? Me and bro like always had like a different, you know what I'm saying? But that [ __ ]—that was one of my first like LA experiences, was what I'm saying. Like you, you just moved there at that point? I was just visiting there; I wasn't even moving there. Like it was one of my first LA experiences, and I'm seeing him like I, it was, I was like on some fan [ __ ], like I was like super LA shifty. Yeah, you feel me? Like I'm like, damn, they going Nipsey. You feel what I'm saying? But he pulls up in the Maybach, doo by self, but I'm like, damn, bro, real street [ __ ]. He like, doo by self, you feel what I'm saying? Like, God bless his soul. I swear to God, that [ __ ] just made me like super gravitate to him. Like, damn, that was my first time ever meeting him though, but it wasn't on no rap [ __ ], you feel me? Like me and bro never got no chance to do no music or nothing like that, but every time we seen each other, it was mutual love and [ __ ], just off that one encounter, bro. Bro, we got to take a shot for that, bro. Damn, I, a—got no, uh, they got to bring me one. Oh, [ __ ], I'm here. She said, "You want some of this?" You—I think you want some of this. You want some of this, bro? I'm going to pour some of this in here. Come on, man. Go, g—some of told—going to try to get you to cross over to, to the dev side. Rest in peace, Nip, bro. What? Let me, uh, what's up with this? Let me keep it back to you. Do you realize how much hip-hop loves you? You realize how much hip-hop [ __ ] with you? Yeah, you do now. You do. I'm starting—yeah, like I was going to say, I'm starting to really, for real, like, n—you, that [ __ ], like, appreciate the culture for what it's doing for you, bro. I'm definitely appreciating. You feel what I'm saying? It's like, it loves you, bro. I started so early, and it's like still young, and I'm just, just trying—I think I'm so ambitious. I feel like, and it's like just me trying to be, trying to go out legendary and be perfect. I feel like I be a little hard on myself, but I do realize, you feel what I'm saying? Like, I ain't going to lie, and what makes me realize—I'm going to be honest—is getting love from like [ __ ] that I really grew up listening to and looking up to, like [ __ ], like you, and just [ __ ], like kids, or just any [ __ ] that I really grew up [ __ ] with, you feel what I'm saying? Like the Waynes, Drakes, Plutos—everybody I really like admire, you feel what I'm saying? Like ever in my life, and I really feel genuine love from them. That be the, like the, the really extra push that I really [ __ ] with, you know what I'm saying? And then like it be like when I [ __ ] with like my peers and like the younger generation too, I be always want to like just [ __ ] with [ __ ]. That's why even any little artist that comes out of Chicago or any other city that I know is going crazy, like I just G [ __ ], just be jumping on [ __ ], like whatever, cuz I be want to do like, I feel like I admire when Wayne went on that run, he just on everybody's [ __ ], no matter who you was. No, if you was turned up, and coming, whoever, like he just went on everybody's [ __ ]. Like I got that same mentality because I looked up to a [ __ ] like Wayne, you feel me? It's just like it's showing love at the end of the day, but it's just like, it's like it's competition, cuz I'm, I'm in competition with myself. Why? I just want to be on everybody's [ __ ]. I want to be heard, you feel me? But, but I'm just showing love to so many artists, and I don't even look at it like that, you feel me? All right, and you going to do a record, bro. Got to find one cuz you're ill. You going to go crazy tomorrow. But man, let me just say, we're not ending it. This [ __ ] hitting too hard. Hey yeah, man. You know that's my boy Boris right there. Rolling in hip-hop, starting the part. It all, you know, uh, saved all of our lives. But hip-hop is a business. At what point did you start to say, "Damn, this, this ain't about the love; this is about the business"? Um, you know, so crazy, I'm glad you're asking that. Like now, just came to a point after me doing this [ __ ] for 10, 12 years, where it's like I did so much [ __ ] out of love, it don't even matter no more. I've done everything you can out of love. You feel what I'm saying? Like, and it was really like where a point, like, you feel what I'm saying? You know, some certain people say that [ __ ] where they feel like it's coming from a place of resentment, you know, like meaning what? Like when people say like, all right, it's no more, no more [ __ ], I ain't doing no more [ __ ] out of love. You feel what I'm saying? Like, feel like certain times when people do that, it's come from a place of resentful. This what they feel like they don't want to do it because they're angry about something. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm on some [ __ ] where it's like I just know everything I put forth, I know my work, so it's like I don't have to, like already done, like where it's like even where it got to do it, actually charge was like, I done did so much [ __ ] out of love, I don't got to charge for nothing. I could go get a favor from than anybody in the industry, just cuz my face card good. I did so much solid [ __ ]. You got credit. You feel what I'm saying? Like, no [ __ ], and like that's worth more than money. Relationship. Yeah, exactly. And, and I learned that really like on some [ __ ] right now where like I didn't did so much [ __ ] just on some here, here, here, cuz I'm just trying to show love, but it was actually beneficial to so many people where it changed last—it did help [ __ ] careers or, you know what I'm saying? So it's like [ __ ] it, it, it put me in favor, you know? It put me in favor to be able to go get, you know what I'm saying? [ __ ] done, need to be, if I need to, you know what I'm saying? So it's like [ __ ], and it happened organically. I wasn't doing it intensely like, all right, I'm doing this cuz I want a favor, you know? Like [ __ ], that's happened, and it's like, man, I'm, I, I could go reach out to my reach, go far, like whether it's for me or anybody, like I could be building an artist and go get you a, get an artist a placement with their probably favorite artist, just off the stri of [ __ ] that I done done. You know what I'm saying? Where it's going to be like easy, you know? And, and that's not what's never my intention. Just like certain [ __ ] just go hand in hand cuz your face card goes a long way. Like I built that over the course of [ __ ] 10, 12 years of just doing [ __ ] I off the love, just me being a solid [ __ ], you know? Taking a shot. That I'm sorry, you ain't got—we taking a shot. You know that, Sal? Oh, you, you got a Tanqueray Sol? Probably like, probably like the 10th shot. I mean, how—10, 12? Who's counting? Who's counting? I go take a piss 20 times. I'll let you go first, then I'll go after. Go, go, bro. We all go together. Feel like you got to take a piss too? No, I'm, I'm good. All right, cool. Okay. Holy moly guacamole. This the first time smoking a blunt? What was you smoking earlier? Uh, a Backwood with a joint, with a, with, with the papers around. Where they do that at? [ __ ] I, I've been smoking so long, I just like the—my [ __ ] got to hit my chest hard. I like the, the feeling. So what do you smoke on a regular basis? Like, like what, like consum-wise? Yeah, like what kind of—what's your favorite [ __ ]? Uh, any, any exi, any per, some, some Gelato. Gelato, home, bro. You ever smoke Sour Diesel? I used to smoke Sour Diesel like early freshman, yeah, high school type [ __ ]. It was—Smoke Haze? Yeah, I [ __ ] with the Haze. I used to [ __ ] with Haze like when I first started coming to New York. That was probably like 200—with Dominic, 16. I only smoked Haze a few times though, like, but I [ __ ] with it though. I was mad at it type [ __ ], like, but I ain't never mad at Haze. No, I wasn't. You wasn't, man? Yeah, I [ __ ] with Haze. I ain't going to lie, I [ __ ] with a little bit. You was in Dyan? You ever been in Dyan? I was in Yonkers. Yonkers, okay. Yes, J. Kid [ __ ]. Yeah, he, he got the Haze there. That's J. Kid. Yeah, that's what I was at. Yeah, J. Kid. We established. You trying to work with an artist, but is there any artist that you want to work with that you haven't worked with yet? Yeah, um, it's a few, I ain't going to lie, but if I had to really pick like my ultimate—I always be saying this [ __ ], I don't know why—just like I really like, I want to, I want to, like, man, this [ __ ] sounds crazy. I want to really get in the studio and really like do a song like with, with like Lauryn Hill, or some, like Lauryn Hill. Yeah, on some real, like with the braids or the bald head, bro. With either on, bro. Either Lauryn—either La—you going to take either version of what I'm just saying. Like if I had to pick, all the way, on some my dream feature. My dream feature, though. Okay, so God comes down from heaven—not aliens. Okay, aliens come down from heaven. And aliens say, "I need you to make one record for me. I need you to pick who's going to be the producer and who's going to do the hook." Who wants to be the producer, who's going to do the hook? Yeah, aliens and God together. I don't know why they're together; they're together. And they say, "G-Hero, you got to save Planet Earth." Oh, bro, one record, one, one producer, do—and anybody on the hook. One produc—dead or alive, they coming outside. Get Elvis Presley [ __ ]. Elvis Presley could be—here—body Jackson. One producer, and dead or alive, you get Michael—oh, bro, I got to go Michael Jackson. Prince could be there. I got to go, I got to go Prince on the hook. Prince on the hook, and I'm going—and I'm going—Ye on the beat, on God. I got to take a piss. You killed that; you win, bro. Keep going. Be [Applause] back too hard. I don't know what the [ __ ] y'all were talking about, but I'm going to bring it back to Chicago. So you got connected with Common through No I.D., right? Yeah. So where were you guys like, what was the connection between old Chicago hip-hop and new Chicago hip-hop? I think it was like, like what was the respect level, as well? Off—going to say, I think it, I really think it was the transition of like Chicago hip-hop always was on some, um, like in a way, it was like—can, can I say something real quick before you keep going? I, I—and I don't—

Want to interrupt? I'm I'm interrupting actually, but I just want to say like I was reading on you right, and people were saying like drill had a perception of non-lyrics, yeah, but you actually brought lyrics, like you was actually a person that was spitting right. And I feel like you was bringing the what was happening already with Common and and Kanye and these guys, like you was bringing that level of lyricism to your music. Yeah, so that's why I was s like I going to say I think in Chicago, like the transition of like, you know, [__] like Common, Yay, Twista, all them, they really rapped for real, is what I'm saying. So like in Chicago, when the drill scene and that whole era came about, it wasn't really like on no lyricism type [__], it was like, it feel me, uptempo turn music, right? That's why they felt like drill was a whole another genre, but it wasn't; it was just like a term or like expression, basically. Drill was an expression, and the music that we created, drill was just a beat, a certain type of beat, that's it.

Exactly, but exactly. So it's like what I'm saying is like what Chicago music was before then was like rap, you know what I'm saying, [__] like that from the Commons, the Twistas, and Yay, all it, you know I'm saying, like you, I'm say, so like L, you feel me, bup, all you know I'm say, like when that music trans like transcended into some whole other [__], I never really st in that lane, like I always was on some rap [__] anyways, like you feel me. I grew up listening to that type of era.

So you did listen to that era? Yeah, hell yeah. And I grew up listening to New York rappers too, you what I'm saying? Like I grew up listening to all type of genres when it came to hip-hop. I mean, not genres, I'm just saying all type of artists. You just loved hip-hop? Yeah, I love hip-hop. That's the best way to say it. So yeah, I was saying like when I came out, I never really like labeled myself as a drill artist. I always like was on some [__] like I'm just a rapper, you feel what I'm saying, like that could rap on some [__].

Exactly. I was 15 years old, 16 years old when that [__] came out, but I was on, I was one of the only people that actually was rapping on old simple beats and rapping over [__] that Kiss made a wed over or Meek was R, you know what I'm saying? I was really on some [__] like my first two, three, four freestyles I put out was over Meek beats, you feel what I'm saying? This was 2010, 2011 and [__] like you feel what I'm saying, like yeah. So it's like I was always on some [__] where I was trying to rap anyways, like I was never trying to put myself in that box of drill rap, you feel what I'm saying? So it's like I think that's why I was able to like connect with the Commons and [__] like that, like how you saying like it reached out in like not like to go off subject all the way. My uncle who passed away, his name was K-Tone; he already, he already knew them, like he already like knew Common and uh Yay and a legendary Twista; they they had, there was a group called Trevor and Tracks. So in Chicago, my uncle was like a legendary producer in the way, and that was my blood uncle, you feel what I'm saying? So it's like I'm in the studio around him and already getting that foundation with Twista, them around Do or Die, all these Crucial Conflict, all in my uncle was already well respected in the industry in Chicago when it came to that type of stuff, like Mickey H, who was my first manager, he knew my uncle, like you know what I'm saying? So I already like had like a love for music when it came to just looking up to him and wanting to be like him, you know what I'm saying? So like when it like I feel like when my whole like when me and Baby when we came out, I don't know, maybe it's just like over e or just the music we listen to. We didn't, we we was always on some rap [__] like the whole, we never steered away from hip-hop, you feel what I'm saying? We never tried to like tear away from bars like lyricism, 12, 16, 32 bars, rap rap, you feel what I'm saying? Like lyricism, we never like, we never shied away from that, like that's what I'm trying to say, like that's always what I was on from the moment I choose to be a rapper, right?

Yeah, I know we tested on it earlier, right? But I I went looked at my um Twitter when I went to the bathroom, and it's still people think that drill music started in London. Yeah, I don't know why. Yeah, that's crazy. Why do you think that? I think cuz I don't know, I feel like overseas, like in London, they they they had um such a big wave with just like how they was able to translate the the the how's your following in London? Let's just start with there. Oh, I ain't really imagine you have the biggest following. I ain't t or did nothing in London yet, but I want to go out. I'm have you gone overseas? No, no, I ain't got no. I guarantee you got a big overseas audience, bro. You got to go, you got to go overse. I got no, I ain't got no overseas. You got to get out of here, bro. Get the [__] out of here. You got a big audience outside of here, bro. I ain't never did nothing. As much as they appreciate us was for like two weeks with Juice WRLD and [__], we had, he was on tour with Nicki Minaj. I had did Tim Westwood and [__], that was like oh, and that's UK, UK, that's London. So you went to London? That was like 3, 4 years ago, though. I ain't been there since. I ain't did no shows or just UK, just London. Yeah, just now. You need to go back. Back Westwood, that's our, that's big, that's big. Tim Westwood is big. Yeah, I play the best Hood OT with Tim Westwood is oh yeah. What Tim westw? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a legend. Yeah, know that [__] went crazy. W was a legend, bro. I [__] with 10 for sure.

So what's your favorite place to perform? Uh, if I had to choose, of course it'll be Chicago, um, but if to exclude Chicago, if I had to say my all-time favorite place to perform will be in New York. New York, yeah, no for sure. New York [__] with me, like no, I had some of my best shows in my career in New York. Like one time, this how I knew New York loved me, look, this is like 200 man, this had to be 2016, 2017. I did a show, shout out Johnny Sheesh, um, shout out Johnny Sheesh, bro. It was uh, I think it was one of those Smoker's Club shows, but I don't know what a venue was. It was like 4,000, 5,000 fans that I had lost my voice, I couldn't even speak, and I'm they sung the whole [__] for like 30 minutes straight. God damn. This was the beginning of my career, like I never seen nothing like it, and it's like that, that support just transcended all through my career, that that that showtown energy [__] us up in New York. No for sure, I ain't going to lie. Never felt no love like it. Like even like I ain't going to lie, me, I swear to God, we was just talking about this [__] like the other day, uh, me and my girl, my brother, everybody was was just saying um uh the PTSD tour, like like that show, it was my very first show, like that was, I did the show the day the album dropped, so the fans didn't even know the music, that it was just like the energy of them seeing me and just like everything like that [__] was one of my hardest shows that I did, you feel what I'm saying? Like we just talking about this [__] like 2 days ago.

What was the worst place you ever performed at? Keep it real, throw him under the bus, we don't mind. Worst place [__] he Louis uh New Mexico, probably like eight, 10 fans or some [__]. Those 10 fans love you, bro. I know they did. What happened? Uh, I think it was like some [__] where like the the it was the the the the promoter [__] up on some Hein do the promotion [__] right, or like the club, people thought you supposed to post. Yeah, no, we did. I don't know, it was some [__] like I'm just saying that was like my worst show that I ever, that sh was like years, years ago. What I'm just saying was some [__] where like I literally performed in front of like eight people. What I gave, perform, you perform on BR? Feel like I did really perform. I had to. That's dope. I performed in front of eight people in Dubai. Lit in Dubai. That was, I'll never forget that [__] though. It was in New Mexico, performed from like eight people. Eight people. It was their family, though. In Dubai, it was fantastic. That was fantastic. Tell you what they paid me. They paid you a fantastic amount. Fantastic money. Yeah, I don't even think they even made eye contact with me. It was just like [__]. Yeah. What songs did you perform? Hey man, leave it alone. Yo man, I'm going be honest with you man, every time I see you, you're a real one. Happy uh you rapping, man, and I really wanted to give you your flowers, man, literally man, because figuratively because you're actually a legend out here, man. You actually did your job. We're proud of you. Statesmen like me, like Fat Joe and so on and so on, we're proud of you, man, and we want you to continue to do your [__] thing, bro, and continue to be great and continue to be family-oriented. Yeah, continue you to stay in that gray zone. What you said in that gray zone, you know that listen, the industry got your back. So when I was researching you, this is a shot, okay, [__] it. I don't know how this popped up. No, that's your only shot, bro. Nobody likes, I take another one, we don't like it. I want you to know hip-hop loves you, man, because it actually hurt my heart to to hear you say that, and you was like y, I love hip-hop, but hip-hop don't love me back. And it's true, cuz you what you said is accurate, hip-hop would never love us back the way we love hip-hop. Yeah, but hip-hop loves us, bro. That's why I'm going grab my flowers, man. On bro. [Applause] Goddamn. Every time you a beautiful watch like that and you iced-out CH, that's hip-hop, man. You know that that's hip-hop, that's hip-hop, bro. That [__] got nothing to do with anything else, so we got to salute hip-hop because hip-hop salutes you, and I really want you to know that, man, like like like I I've been doing this since '97. I got everybody's number, and I'm and I'm I'm relationship based, so I call people. I just ask everyone, everyone I call had nothing but, I said it earlier, but I want to say it again. I want you to reiterate what I'm trying to tell you. People are not only got love for you, they saying that they got love for you, and they rooting for you, bro. So I don't know if those PM poms are out in public yeah or it's in private, but the fact that they rooting for you, period, bro, yeah, means a [__] lot, trust me. I call people be like, I call like, you know, I'm interviewing s, everybody was like, what do you need? What's up? What's up? Just like, you know, what I actually don't need [__]. Oh bro, yeah. It already describes your character. The people describe the character of you without you even being, that's that's dope. Appreciate it. You understand what I just said? No, hell yeah. This is a piece of [__]. No, and I love it. Yeah, now that [__] feel good though. It's a piece of [__], but I love it. Love it. I love it. We don't love it, but we love it. I love you got to love it. You got to love it. You got to love it. You got to love it. You got to love it. Every, we take the picture, okay. I'm going end it like this. There's a lesson than a 5% degrees says, love hella right, which means sometimes you got to love hell in order to come out right, which means sometimes you can't even go to heaven unless you go to hell first, unless you been to hell first. Yeah, I like it, bro. Welcome to Heaven. See, Herbo got them new teeth, man. New teeth, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You looking good. All right, let's, you got dress, hold on. On, you had to dress the new teeth. Yes, cuz you you did that, that good picture. Hold on, let me show the picture. Let me show the it's like a yeah, yeah. That [__] been going viral, bro. I took a big, that's like a big thing. I guess, I ain't going to lie. I I no, I ain't going to say I guess. I said I ain't never getting my teeth done, bro. I said I'll never get my teeth done, bro. Yeah, you outside. Yeah, this [__] do look, look, this [__] do look crazy. It's fire [__] hard. You outside. You changed. I got all teeth done, like all 24, man. Got all my [__] did. I said I'll never get my teeth done, man. And when to got my [__] done, why wouldn't you? Why would I, man? Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't I? Go turn money. Feel like elevation, that's what G money feel like. G money feel like. God damn it. Yeah, man, make them get money. [Applause] [__] get that mother [__] M. Let's take another shot. I'm sorry, where she where she go? Let's take, I'm sorry, want another shot? Come on, do it and a drink or just another shot? Another shot, bro. I'm not going to lie to you, bro. I'm happy you came here today. No, for sure. I'm happy you showed up. I'm happy you arrived. I did lose the B. I did tell you that, right? I felt like you was going to be on time. I ain't going to lie. I post have been on time, bro. I post have been on time, but then they told me they blame your girl. I was like, that's a good excuse. I'm taking my shot. I blame my girl, bro. They said they blame you. Yeah, I don't know, maybe it's your team. They said they blame your girl. I say it to my wife all the time. Look, I threw her under the bus, and then they threw me under the bus by saying that they were never supposed to say that you didn't your wife. Let's take a shot. Hey man, he's out of G Herbo. Let me just tell you something, want you a legend. No, take your shot, bro. Where you doing? Oh, all right. She, you're a legend. Thank you for coming through Dream Chasers. Thank you for hanging out with your family, bringing your family, that's a beautiful thing, and we love you. Continue to go anytime you want to promote anything, even if you want to promote your your little toenail, we don't mind. We don't mind. Come over here, we going to promote that little [__] bro. Fu it. Sal, sal. Let's do it. Let's do it. Take it down, though, brother. Let's do 20 of Juice.