But if you rediscover that power, for example, by reading the dictionary, once you begin to be able to describe reality in simple terms, it's shocking. It's obscene.

What you're doing is you're terrorizing children into compliance. And this is not a civil rights movement. It was the feminist um BC who did transgender, transsexual, transhuman. If you read her essays, uh she made the best case to date to show you that the transgender phenomenon is an industry and it's explicitly anti-Christian, anti-human. It's horrendous. It's there to completely degrade the idea of humanity itself and turn it into a product which disfigures you permanently.

These same judges, nine out of 10 of them from memory, have released convicted sex offenders, convicted child rapists and pedophiles who've been convicted in court and let them walk out free with nothing with with no with look this is openly the case. There is no justice. And if you look at what what what Rbert Lo is talking about is basically we need to take serious crime seriously. It isn't difficult to explain to people that if you are the kind of who murders people in the street with little to no provocation, you are not the kind of person who understands moral restraint or the value of life.

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So, you've gone up in the world.

>> Well, so it would appear, but uh not without a booster cushion on occasion. >>

You were sleeping in your car.

>> I I was intending to sleep in Jeff, which is the 21-year-old Land Rover. We came up with an inflatable mattress. uh my son and I uh that was the intention because I didn't make any plans. I just thought we have to go and couple of days before my wife lost a job. So I couldn't really be splashing out on a hotel room or anything. So I just said, "Look, I'm going to take my son and we're going to go sleep in the wagon, which is fair enough cuz it's a bit of an adventure for him." Uh and that's why we came up because it's it's basically you've got to join the national effort. >>

What what is your background? Cuz everyone's saying that you are actually an AI robot. And um

>> if I was AI, surely I'd make myself 6'4. >>

I mean, come on. I mean, even I could probably tweak the algorithm for that.

>> Well, I mean, that's quite respectful because I've got Napoleon complex, so I don't like people being taller than me. So, as long as you're an inch shorter, that's okay. >>

I don't think you got any trouble for me on that score. But no, what's my background? Um there there's a there's a good quote from Samuel Beckett which says uh never mind fail fail again fail better and much of my life has been like that. Uh I've I've realized that for many times I've been mistaken. And if I if you think I'm wise now if I have any practical wisdom that you think I impart, it's because I've recognized where I've been wrong. And that's come at considerable cost to me financially and in terms of my friends. My principles have cost me a great deal. That's what it is to have principles is is that you can have opinions. But when you stand to lose something for not changing your point of view, that's a principle. When you've suffered a loss, and I've suffered I'm not afraid of accepting when I'm wrong. And that's how I've learned what I've learned. I don't know everything, but what I do know is the result of accepting my own mistakes and learning to live with the humiliation and indeed the personal cost that that comes with.

But what what did I do before? I did a variety of things. I did educational work. Uh I joined the Army Reserve because I'd spent most of my time bringing my infant son up. Uh and then we had a little daughter as well, thank God. And um I realized that I'd become a trans mommy. And I actually wrote that down in my um on my little army papers for the fusel reserves and the platoon sergeant refused to write it so I had to do it myself because I thought it was funny. I tried to join the army as a officer and I I did get in but what they've done to the army is just so terrible that I would be nominally joining up to serve um his majesty and and and the country. But they march under a different flag nowadays and what they've done to the army is terrible. I love the army. I love the army and there are many good men and women in it. But it's a tragedy what's happened to the army. And so when I went on to Tucker Carlson, I think he I think there's a misperception that I was completely unemployed. I ended up doing um journalism for Life Site who graciously have put up with me for a number of years and I do broadcast for them every week on faith and reason and they've allowed me now to make a series which have is called the state we're in and and that's thanks to them. It's thanks to them that I had a job because it's very difficult to have a job and have principles because increasingly you get it's not that you're an extremist or anything but my life and my wife's life and indeed many lives of of the people that I've met not just in restore but but just in everyday life if you're if you're basically trying to be a good person and if you're basically good at your job you do end up getting persecuted. The system genuinely hates anyone and anything good. And so it's not just me. It's not like poor me. My my predicament such as it is I think is emblematic of the states of the nation. I honestly know we have countless people in this country who are extraordinarily tal talented and of high integrity and are willing to do things for a purpose higher than their own personal gain beyond civic duty. A real sense of like vocational collective effort. And that's the kind of person that gets ruled out of promotion and preference by routine by, if you like, the increasingly extreme ideological faction that's captured our politics for our entire lifetimes.

>> And the people who think outside of the boxes because I remember um I was watching something a while back and they were talking about, you know, the expansion of the railways and all of the steam trains coming in. I think they had as one of their chief engineers on this this track. He was a 19year-old. They literally brought in a 19-year-old to be designing these trains and the tracks. And I I that would never happen today. You would never have some innovative young man come in and actually change things. One of the problems is is that if you've systematically excluded people on the basis of what's obviously ideological preference, then you don't have the institutional memory that you need to select people who are good. If you have good people doing things well, then they instinctively recognize the potential in someone whether they're 19 or whether they're 62 and you can say, "Oh, look, that person will be good at this job because I'm a relatively good person and I know my job." Whereas instead you have a system of permission by credential and by ideological loyalty. So if you don't have the credentials, if you haven't gone through the kind of liberal extremist madrasas that we call colleges and universities today, then you're not going to get in the door. And if you don't salute the rainbow flag, for example, then you're not going to get anywhere. But what this is a very serious matter because we don't have people in positions of power and preference and advantage and professional influence now who can actually recognize other good people because they themselves aren't good people and they're probably not very good at their job too. And if you think that's a bit extreme, look around you and ask why nothing works. That's because these people aren't competent. They're placed in positions of influence for reasons other than their ability. But that also has a second order effect. It means these people can't recognize other good people. And even more insidiously, if they can, they see them as a threat. Throughout my life and through the lives of others, friends and people that I've met, it's become quite obvious, and this is a terrible thing to say, but if you turn up and you are good at your job and you do have moral principle, integrity, then they discriminate against you. Pardon me. >>

I'll tell I'll tell you a little story.

>> Well, look, look, I just wanted to say this briefly. Like that's the case. If just if you imagine that you're managed by mediocrities who see competence and brilliance, talent, dedication as a threat, why do they see it as a threat? Because if you turn up in that environment and you're actually good at the job and a good person, it shows them up for what they are and it threatens their position. So they will styy your career or make sure you don't get in the door in the first place. So this is why you have this kind of suffocating suicidal system which actually hates and discriminates against people on the basis of their talent and their integrity. >>

Well, I I see it all over the place. I I used to work as a teaching assistant and um one of the schools that I worked

>> You don't seem bitter enough to have done that job. >>

Well, I I got out of it and I I was the private tutor getting homeschool kids and supporting the parents, getting them out of the state system. So, that was really important to me. But there's this one time I was working at this primary school in a year five class and I had to mark the books in a subject English um u across the whole year.

>> Right? >>

So they'd write a word in a sentence and they had to learn this word and know how to use it within the sentence. So I went through and I was doing the marking. I was going, "Oh wow, that's this is really bad." And then to do 10 of them and I had to do 10 for every single child in the year and it was taking up all my time. I was turning up early. I was leaving late. I was taking all of this time and then after about u a week um I got called in by the head of year and she said um you know you're you're you're marking you've been staying really late and coming in really early in order to do it. I'm like well there there is no time. I mean when the kids are learning the kids are learning and I need to be there I need to teach them. And um she says well yes you when you're doing the marking you know how you're marking the whole sentence. Well you you don't need to do that. you can just takeick the word whether they've got the word right or not.

>> And I said, "What?" I said, "What?" And she said, "Well, we don't want them to be intimidated by a sea of green cuz we marked in green pen." I went, "Are you aware that half the children cannot consistently use capital letters or full stops?" Um, these are year five children. So, in less than a year and a half, less than 18 months, they're going to be in secondary school and they can't use capital letters and full stops. Over half the children can't spell the word England, the country that they're in. They're a stensible nation, although quite a few of them are foreign. Um, and every time they were getting it wrong, I was saying, "Okay, redo this one." And then if they got it all perfectly, I give them one more to do, right? So, there was feedback and they had to go and they had to improve. So, I said, "Yes." So, every time they got something wrong, I told them to redo it. And the ones who got it perfect, I say, "Okay, here's what here's just a bonus one. Well done." Right. Do you know how many out of the 60 books I've got back so far have actually gone back and looked at the work to see the feedback, all of that ticking that you want me to do, and all of that marking, all of this effort that we put in. Do you know how many have actually read that, seen that I've put an extra question or told them to redo some of it and actually done it?

>> one, >>

the venom in her face. This is not just, you know, a teacher. This is the head of year. So, she's, you know, senior management staff. Meanwhile, I'm just this humble teaching assistant,

>> the venom. She hated me. She absolutely hated me for it. And also, I was chasing after her because I kept saying, "Well, there are no dictionary." So, I had to go hunting because there were no dictionaries in the actual class. So, I was bringing in this pocket little pocket dictionary. Well, God bless you because it's significant that you have a paper dictionary and if you want to, it's significant that you should have a command of your own language. If you read politics in the English language by George Orwell or Eric Blair as he was, it will tell you that lazy thoughts lead to lazy speech as a loop. So the more you discipline your your mind as it were by training your vocabulary. He talks about the importance of Lexus which is the choice of words you use to express yourself. The more the better you are at commanding your own experience and understanding and describing what's happening to you in the world. And this is obviously highly significant time of national crisis but that's why it's significant. And if you things disappear easily on screen in your mind and it dissolves your mind as well. It actually has an impact on how you remember things and the the fabric of your personality really. So paper dictionaries ideal and it is a good idea to just read them every now and then because you'll discover things and every time you discover a new word for something that you didn't know that's something else in the world that you can grasp and you can express and it gives you purchase on reality. Whereas before you might be acquainted with it but you couldn't describe it. So you can't really say it. So it isn't really real to you in that sense. And that's power. is the ability to be able to conceptualize um the world around you. And if you don't have the words, you can't conceptualize it properly.

One of one of the deep things about the the poverty that's been supplied by the way we've been ruled for a century is the subtraction from our vocabulary of experience. That means to say that most of us now find ourselves speechless to describe the state we're in. But if you rediscover that power, for example, by reading the dictionary, once you begin to be able to describe reality in simple terms, it's shocking. It's obscene. And you and you encounter routinely the kind of venomous shock and spite that you do that you did in your job when you tried to do your job well.

Why do why do our administrative class, if you like, because they're administrators? They're not really teachers or doctors or civil servants or judges. They're administrators. Teaching isn't teaching. It's about delivery. It's delivering a a product which is an ideologically polished product. It's a standard wipe clean product. Everything's subject to kind of chickenability. It's not just neutral either. It's strongly ideologically coded.

If you go back to the 1920s and before this system really took off, there's two things I'd say about that. There's the there's the Catholic um British philosopher Hill Bellow. You wrote a book called the serviile state that that basically explains to you that the way education is being constituted is to make people fit into a machine to make them servants. Serviile we serve this political economy. We're doing away with a rounded education that that promotes human flourishing and gives you the power to describe your experience and and engage directly with the people who rule you and question them in in words of one syllable reasonably about what on earth is going on. Instead, they supply you with a a vocabulary that only permits compliance and that is policed very closely. So, the only concepts that are available to you are ones that permission everything that's being done to you. And everything that questions it reasonably is coded as extremist or negative.

Now if you look at the second example, there are a lot of things that I disagree profoundly with uh about Burton Russell. But in about 1921, he wrote he wrote an essay which described two concepts of the state and reality. And he said the second one is the one that we've got now. And it was beginning then. And he said it was the administrative cast of mind where what matters is the data capture if you like. What matters is the bureaucratic categorization of activity in the state and human life. Now if you have that applied to education, this is why you see children being treated as if they're being prepared to go into some soulless job in a lightless box with you know an airless those airond conditioned bright cantens of Bmen which completely excludes the dimension of childhood and the fact that they're children. He said if we follow the bureaucratic administrative model of of of how we are to live, he said we'll end up with teachers who can't teach, we'll end up with doctors who make their patients sick and policemen who can't catch criminals because all that matters. No, he said that it will collapse all the institutions because all that will matter is getting things perfect on paper is managing the figures. And this is where you saw this like about 10 years ago. There's a major scandal. There's so many scandals now that you can't keep up. But I remember one scandal about the way that the NHS captured data. And there there was there was at the time a scandal about the number of beds available. And in order to make it look like there were more beds than there were, they simply took the wheels off trolley and then categorized them as beds to make it look like the bed problem had been solved. So on paper it looked marvelous.

Now, that might seem like an abstract problem, but the last thing I'll say about this, because I'm it's time for the shot caller to shut me up, of course, is that my father-in-law was twice nearly killed by the NHS because he was elderly and increasingly demented. And when he went into hospital, he came out with a near fatal kidney infection. And I discovered because I investigated it that the reason for this was that water had been given to him administratively but it hadn't been given to him in reality. In reality what had happened is is that and it was a foreign nurse had come into his room and filled a jug up and put a glass by his bed and then ticked a box that said patient given water. However, my wife's dad was incapable of lifting this to his lips and so he nearly died of dehydration whilst under care and it was difficult to discover how his kidney infection had developed to a near fatal condition because it said on the paper patient has been given water. When we investigated that phrase, that phrase means water had been put in the room near a patient incapable of drinking it himself. He hadn't, it meant he hadn't actually been given any water at all for nearly a week. And that was that was so maddening to discover. And when when I constantly investigated the phrase, I said, "What does this mean?" I said, "Well, it means it's been given water." It turned out it didn't. And I was greeted with the same institutional venom and spite and rage. How dare you question us. And then only when I managed to to ignore that and to just reasonably persist saying but surely this this phrase must be dubious because this couldn't have happened if he had drunk water. And it turned out that the phrase patient has been given water doesn't mean he's been given any water at all. In fact, it conceals the fact that he hasn't been given any water for nearly a week. This is the this is the practical dimension of this kind of administrative model of reality. It doesn't capture the human reality that we all inhabit. All it captures is what it looks for. It just looks for the boxes being ticked. It looks for the data that pleases the machine. But we are not machines. We are more than components. And this is destroying our lives and literally killing our elderly and us in our hospitals as well. Just to take one example.

>> Well, people are quite wedded to the AHS. But I look at the example of just my family. They poisoned both of my ns who raised me. They killed my uncle under co >>

I I was in the shed weightlifting and I spoke to my cousin who I don't want to mention her name but I my our uncle was what a man of diminished responsibility kind gentle suggestible vulnerable adult man lovely man he was taken into hospital without our knowledge and placed on a ventilator at a time when it was known that ventilation did not correct but exacerbated COVID uh for unfortunately I found this out as well because I know people in the who who medicals when you incubate someone when when you ventilate them it's an extremely distressing procedure it's not just oh they put a tube down your neck they strap you to a table effectively and force a tube down your neck and they usually have to anesthetize you to do it because it's incredibly painful to ram a tube down your trachea if you're a vulnerable man who doesn't really understand what's happening as well. It's it's terrifying. We weren't allowed to go into the hospital and accompany him during his incubation. This is a when you ventilate people, it's so traumatic. It's so dangerous to life that people actually die of just being ventilated. Then they pump air into your lungs and they effectively just they just dissolved his lungs under pressure. And we knew that that was going to happen. They wouldn't let us in. and my cousin phoned me up and she was in tears and said they won't let her in the hospital and they wouldn't let her in to even comfort him as he was dying as a result of being ventilated. And the further scandal of course is that there's evidence I can't remember exactly but it's certainly not speculative that hospitals uh NHS trusts were paid to do this that there was that there was a financial incentive to ventilate at the time despite the fact that it served no medical purpose and actually hastened people's deaths. So my uncle died alone in pain, terrified without we couldn't even go and hold his hand or even wave at him through a window because they wouldn't let us in. And I spoke to a months after this when the madness the fever had passed when Putin's invasion suddenly cured all the varants which was quite magical wasn't it? I spoke to a man who is a senior manager of an NHS trust in the south of England and I put this case to him in the abstract and then I said to him actually that was that was my uncle and he's dead now what do you say to that and he kind of muttered and said well we we tried to do our best you know I said look it's not good enough it's not good enough he's dead

>> they killed him >>

yes they killed him and we couldn't hold his hand we I couldn't even look at him you know I'll never see him again

>> see if they'd just gone and done like one of these migrants to and just stabbed them in the street or something like that, then they might possibly be in prison. I mean, for a very short sentence, probably if they're a migrant and, you know, they they didn't understand that stabbing wasn't part of our culture here. Um, but there is no consequence for these people when they've killed people on on mass. I mean, look at the jabs. Look, the the consequence-free environment that we inhabit is the exclusive preserve of the ruling elite and its upperics and its commissaria. Basically, if you're on their side, then you can you can guarantee almost completely that you'll never be held accountable for any of the terrible things that you do. This is also related to the liberal idea generally which is the idea the false idea the idolatrous nonsense that mankind is somehow perfectable and limitless in his potential and so on. And if we only just believe in that hard enough it becomes true.

>> Well, it's like new Soviet man, isn't it? They have to remake mankind in their own image. But the problem is that man is not infinitely malleable. So it's impossible. They have to end up exterminating. >>

Well, that that was called Homo Sovieticus, like Soviet men. But there's kind of I I come up with the phrase homo liberalis like liberal man which is very much like that. But what why these abstract ideas matter is because this is how you get into this predicament. You can see at every level in your own life you know the relatives that you've seen killed by the state under co for example the way that your lives are disposed of before you're born at the end of life and this is called a right. That's disgraceful. How we can just be murdered in the street with the complicity of the police. this is somehow being normalized as well. The the level of obscenity is astonishing. But it's because there's no consequences attached to these things because that's how the system works. And if you look at it diplomatically and geostrategically as well, you can see what's happened when we're ruled by a mad elite that can say and do as they please. They believe without any consequences. But reality is now bringing hard consequences to bear upon that idea of life without limits, of war without limits, of action without limits, of complete freedom of action. It from state to to from from the level of the self to the level of the state. This is a wholly destructive principle. It destroys the meaning of life. It destroys the value of life. And it removes any sense of justice whatsoever because the worst acts uh are permissioned absolutely and nothing happens. And this this is morally degrading to all of us. It's it's not an extremist call for vengeance. I'm I don't believe in vengeance. I believe in justice. And if you want to know what justice is, what what do I mean? You should always ask people to explain what they mean. And if they can't explain it in terms of one syllable, then they're probably being dishonest or they don't know. If you look at, for example, if you look at a picture of St. Michael the Archangel, you'll see that in one hand he holds a balance of justice and the and the balance is imbalanced. The pans, the scales are like this and in the in his other hand he holds a sword and that is the sword of truth. And that truth will rebalance the scales. Justice is balance. Justice isn't madness. It's not revenge. Justice is the recognition that things are out of balance and we need to rebalance them or terrible things will continue to happen. And the best way to do that is to reveal the truth. And the predicament that we're in is when you go to work and try and do a good job in a school or when you complain about the way that your people are treated by the state, whether it's in in the street by the police or the justice system or the health service or you're discriminated against when you try and get a job. Then you're greeted with this venom and the venom is is there because you're basically telling the truth because that system presents itself as it has, you know, it's extremely good at applying makeup to itself. You know, the makeup that it has, it presents this visage of itself to the world as this perfect system that that can't be questioned by anyone at all. And if you do question it, you're somehow sick or insane or evil. But when you present the truth to it and you say, "Oh, look, it's wicked. It's destroying our lives. It's doing these terrible things. It's it's not it's not educating us. It's not making us healthy. It doesn't provide justice. It doesn't provide security or prosperity. Everything's being destroyed. Our lives inside and out being degraded and ruined. So that's that's what it's doing. And that is the state that we're in. So when you tell the truth about this system to people in it, you're greeted with the face of Medusa.

Well, I was speaking to some lads yesterday in uh Ashton in Meville, and they told me that they were bullied by the teachers uh into having to call a girl them or they.

>> No dear. >>

And they said that if they didn't do that, that was all of them, all four unanimously. They all knew if you didn't do that, you get a uh a detention or I don't know whether they called it exclusion or something like that. You you'd be sent for a timeout or some sort of punishment. You go and you sit alone and you're completely isolated. If you do it again, it will happen again. The teachers would be aggressive. They would intimidate them. They would push them. They try and humiliate them in front of the class. And if they kept doing that, they'd be called home. they get in trouble at home and then they'd be kicked out of the school. So in order to just have their education, what little there is left provided by the state in order to operate normally and not be completely isolated from all of their friends and be made a parietal, they were forced into complying. Yeah. Well, remember how Medusa was killed? Medusa was killed by her own reflection. That's how Percy has killed the Gorgon. And of course, if you stared into the eyes of the Gorgon with a head full of snakes, you would turn into stone. So, you have you have um a choice to make. They're basically telling you, even if you're a child, and especially if you're a child, because that's the easiest way to indoctrinate the future generation is to terrify the children into compliance, is to say, if you don't believe in transsanity, if you don't agree, and if you don't repeat our slogans, then we'll just ruin your life. And so, that's the state that we're in as well. uh obviously it's unconscionable there there are repeated scandals it's again it's difficult to keep a pace the scandals but the fact that the teachers union in Britain uh I think it was the was it the UCU one of the major teaching unions basically passed a motion saying that they would happily transition their children socially so that's to say they would encourage children to to believe that they were the opposite sex and they would encourage them to to basically become trans without telling your parents This is a profound betrayal of of of the prior rights of the family. This is this is basically a violation of the natural justice and natural order. The state in its organs has no right whatsoever to capture the minds of your children whilst you are in their what we would call care. This is a crime. That's criminal behavior. You're being indoctrinated uh as a child against the will of your parents. Now that's just wrong. There's no argument about that. There's no debate about this. You is it right? No. No. That's that, if we can't recognize that that's evil, then we've lost the capability to recognize evil. And I think we should take the concept of evil seriously just as we should take the concept of treason seriously because these are serious matters. They're not a question of political opinion. This thing's objectively the case. the rights of the family are prior to those of the state because the family is older than the state. It's obvious you you you know there is there are serious cases to be made for that. You you you you can't justify this behavior. What you're doing is you're terrorizing children into compliance. And this is not a civil rights movement. It was the feminist um bleck who did transgender, transsexual, transhuman. If you read her essays, uh, she made the best case to date to show you that the transgender phenomenon is an industry and it's explicitly anti-Christian, anti-human. It's horrendous. It's there to completely degrade the idea of humanity itself and turn it into a product which disfigures you permanently. This isn't liberation. It's destruction. This isn't a civil rights movement. It's a business.

>> Well, this brings us back to what we were saying about language. I mean the use the misuse of the term gender to apply to human beings when gender itself is a linguistic concept. When people say to me how there are only two genders I go no there are three there's feminine masculine and there's neuter and they only apply to words they don't apply to people. There was um one of the things that happened to me uh which is profoundly embarrassing is that I did used to be a liberal and I kind of adopted I I I rejected my Catholic faith and wholeheartedly embraced the idea that this is what clever people do cuz like if you're a working-class scumbag then you could get out by being clever and you could see this kind of golden road to university and you could become like nobody had gone to university in my family that I was aware of. And so it was like, oh wow, you know, I can do that. And so in order to do that, the the issue for me is just that this returns me to the almost unbroken um almost gold medalist record of embarrassing and humiliating mistakes that have constituted what I laughingly call my career. Because if you were a working-class scumbag, the way out then was to go to university. No one in my family had been to university. And I just thought, well, it would be marvelous. So you adopt their values every all these people that you look up to and I'm naturally obliged to look up to people as we've established with you and I. So you think well I've got to be like them. And I be it began to dissolve intellectually for me that the kind of thing that you got into being a kind of default liberal because you read books and that's they're the only people that you're around if you go to big school. And it didn't go well for me. And one of the reasons it didn't go well is because you started to have to read these French postmodernists. I remember coming across this woman called Loose Irigare who said that E= MC² is a gendered equation. Now I'm not a mathematician but if you say that to mathematicians it drives them mad. What does that mean? What you're what you're looking at here is the fact that the postmodernists the post structuralists were people who saw that Marxism wasn't delivering for the working classes in the way that they'd wanted it to. They wanted to become dissatisfied and overthrow a society and introduce their communist utopia. And people like the Frankfurt school said, well, no, they've been nullified by consumerism and they've been bought off if you like, which is one reason why you should read Herbert Marcus as one-dimensional man incidentally. But then they started to go mad and because they've abandoned the idea of like if you like economic justice or redistribution or the Marxist ideas, the materialist ideas because they're not materialists. postmodernist Marxists hate postmodernists that you know they hate each other because of this and the postmodernists started this idea that there's all these conceptual reasons to destroy society fundamentally you look at people like Judith Butler whose critical theory is basically she's openly confessed it is is an attempt to destroy all the norms of reality and the basis of reality itself and to destroy your capability to talk about it so this is why you've got these lunatics like Lucere saying that mathematical formula have some kind of gendered inflection. It's madness. And you began I began to realize then that these people are just insane. And they're actually what what they're offended by is the truth. So if you want to know why when you go into school and you and you complain about reality to the teachers who are indoctrinating your kids and and you're greeted with venom and your children are basically disciplined and punished into compliance with a system that's mad and wicked and destructive, that's where it comes from. The intellectual vanguard of this movement is basically hostile to reality and it's its basic project is to destroy the understanding of of of reality in the minds of the common people and make it impossible to describe without being called nasty names without being called a misogynist a transphobe a racist an anti-semite an extremist a fascist a Nazi so basically if you're sane you're dangerous if you tell the truth truth, you're a subversive because their project is fundamentally evil. And what is evil? Evil is a principle in the world that's universally destructive. It's not an abstract concept. If there's something going around that destroys everything inside the human spirit, that that degrades the soul of man and that ruins all your institutions and bankrupts you morally and financially, that's evil. Evil is simply, if you like, corrosive, it's poison. And the poison that's poisoning our society is that and you should name it. And that's why we should take the concept of evil seriously.

One thing I worry about is how many people have been infected with this virus because it is like a virus. It infects people. It infects children's minds. And we've got a whole generation who've been completely brainwashed more or less. And even the people who start to think out of outside the box. So you'd expect the people at say a Tommy Robinson Manny to be the most hardcore people on migration. But a lot of them will go go, "Oh, well, we just need to stop the illegals." But if they're over here and they're working and they're contributing, etc., etc. It's like, "Working and contributing what? Just coming over here and working a job isn't contribution." Okay. So, what we just get rid of the 10% that the illegals and we keep the other 90% and we get get demographically replace.

>> I I understand what you're saying and this and I'm serious about this. I'm not just saying this to be kind of a try and look nice. try and understand this as as a war. And warfare now has moved on from what you've seen in the Hollywood films. It's not people shooting each other across trenches. It's not just that. It still is that to some degree, but it's hybrid warfare. And the form of warfare that's most effective in the 21st century is the capture of hearts and minds or psychological warfare or what the darker people call the battle space of the brain. Think of people like this as casualties in the war of a system that has been intentionally designed and whose technique has been refined for well over a century to do precisely that. The way we are ruled is chiefly by the manufacturer of mass belief and the capture of people's minds. So they become incapable of conceiving of reality outside of the concepts that have been supplied to them to control them. So basically, look, these people, our people, a lot of them are captured by a system that is their enemy. Not just not just our political enemy, it's the enemy of everyone because it's universally degrading. So try not to lose your temper with them. Try to be patient, right? Try to try to see them as victims, as casualties. And what do you do with casualties? You should stop and try and heal them. You should help the wounded. Go into battle with that mentality. When you have to fight, fight to win. Yes. But do not leave the wounded and dying on the battlefield. >>

Raise them up.

>> Yes. Yes. You must help them because I was like that too. You know, basically, if you want to look at it, we have to try and dransition the culture of our people of of the West generally. But that's not a task that's just for us. That task is being made almost inevitable by reality. What is making people discard the illusions by which they've been governed is the reality that they live in, which has been supplied by that system that at once destroys everything inside and outside of them, including the meaning and value of their lives, but at the same time tells you that we live in a utopia. It's just not real. It's reality that's radicalizing people. As I said before, it's reality that contradicts the most sophisticated propaganda machine in history. And when you notice that that's how you live and how you're ruled, it's obvious and you can't unsee it

>> because truth is fundamentally right way >>

if you yes if you like. But I think that that paradigm has been intentionally created. The left right thing that's also a form of just trying to control and contain you because you can say oh look these people are far right. No, how about looking at it like this? Are you pro or anti-reality? You know, are you pro-sanity? How about this? How about, you know, affirmative action, but for normal people? Yeah. How about let's have some sanity and reality in our politics? How about we ask serious questions like what's the economy for? Are we for it to just be disposed of by this disposable economy? Or shouldn't we dispose of that model before it disposes of us all?

Well, one of the terrifying things is trying to explain to people the scale of the problems which we are to face. And I think you were slightly uncharitable when I interviewed you before because I said, do we need more of the rhetoric of blood, sweat, and tears? And what I mean by rhetoric is, do we need someone to speak the truth and speak about the fact that it is going to be difficult? It is going to be painful. That is one of my favorite quotes by Rupert Low.

>> It will be painful. >>

Yes, you're right, you're right. It wasn't, Pardon me. The difficulty is is in trying to disentangle ourselves from an intentionally confusing and if you like disarming system that's meant to neutralize you and leave you incapable of describing your reality is you've got to be careful about terms. And I am very careful about if if if I for example about to talk about the truth now. I'm going to say what that is and define it because it's very easy to come out with slogans and populism. That's what populism is. Populism is riding a wave of obvious and justified dissatisfaction, resentment, and disgust at the way that we've been betrayed for generations. But it's not enough to just come out with flag waving slogans and then deliver you into the hands of a bunch of conmen and crooks. you that this is why it's important to define what you mean by saying this. Yes, it is extremely important. The only way that you can make uh an honest national effort is to tell people what the scale of the problem is is that it will be extremely painful as Mr. Low rightfully said. When do you hear that from politicians? One of the reasons why we're in this disaster that we're in today is there's no long-term strategic planning. absolutely at no level in terms of the economy, the energy uh infrastructure, our national security or what we're supposed to do. There's a difference between politics and statesmen. And it's said in statesmanship in the 19th century, there's an essay that describes this quite well. And it says politicians think in terms of election cycles. And today that's kind of the the news cycle like a series of tweets or what's in the Daily Mail tomorrow. But statesmen think in terms of the survival of their civilization into the centuries to come. And that's what we need. And because we haven't had that, because we have this rule by media where all that really matters is your public image while everything gets destroyed. That's why we're in the state we're in. That's why what we have to do is really recognize the depth of the national emergency and say, "Look, what has to be done will be painful. It will take years to put the country back on its feet because it has been driven to its knees by a corrupt class that is heavily invested in this model. It's working for them, but it's not working for the rest of us and it's killing the nation. And so, yes, when we say like that's the truth, the truth is the economy isn't a doom loop. The truth is is that we're ruled by the politics of national suicide. Literally, it's killing us. It's killing it's killing our

ability to to function economically. It's it's annihilating the value of our lives. It's replacing our people with cheap consumer replacements just like everything else. And so when you recognize the scale of that, if you're honest with people and say, "Look, it's not all going to be rainbows and paradise overnight. We need to make a serious effort to save the nation. This is going to take a national effort." And that involves you as much as us. It involved all of us. This is different. This isn't just a vote for me and I'll get on the telly. This is if we don't do this together, we're finished. We're finished as a people. We're finished as a nation. We're finished economically. We're broken. That's it. We exit the pages of history. And we're dissolved into some kind of nightmarish, borderless international bazaar.

Now, to do that, it takes sacrifice. It's going to be painful. It's going to be hard. But this time, this time alone, and for this reason alone, to save the nation, that will be worth it in order that we win a future for our children and their children, worth the name. Because if fundamentally speaking about the issue of migration, if these people do not go home, our children and their children will never have one and we cannot leave. We cannot leave the nation in the state that it's in today. But then we simply can't do it. If you have any sense of duty to the future, to the children, your children, the children of our people, we must do it for them. We don't have a choice.

But this time, it's not a sacrifice like under co. the greatest transfer of wealth from the working, middle, and non-working classes right up to the elites. People forget that the amount of money that was sucked out of this nation and others under that despicable regimen is simply incalculable unless you're a very good mathematician. It's huge. That that's an enormous crime. That was a sacrifice that we all made that we weren't even asked to make. We weren't even told about it. And frankly, most people probably don't even know about it. That that's hideously obscene. We're being honest. Restore Britain is being honest with the British people, saying this is a hard road, but the alternative is death. Let's do it together.

We We are going to need justice, though. We are going to need to put a lot of people on trial. And I I think it shines for people when you've got Rapert Low talking about a referendum on the death penalty and hanging these people who've committed monstrous crimes, it chimes with people because they say, "Yes, this is a disincentive." And also when you've got the the move towards prosecuting civil servants and politicians like we used to do. And it's interesting because um Dominick Cummings is obviously a terrible man for what he did during the lockdowns. Absolutely evil and he's complicit. He needs to be on trial with the rest of them. But he said back in the day there used to be prosecutions. There used to be impeachments. They used to go after to people for corruption, for mismanagement, for negligence in public office. And now they don't do it.

If you think it's politically extreme to demand that justice be worthy of its own name, that we have meaningful commensurate penalties, that means to say according to the scale of your crime, the penalty should be of a similar scale. So if you've done something very bad, the penalty should increase. That's balance. That's not a political question. That's not a question of left or right. That's just a question of the nature of justice. If you look at what Dominick Cummings says about the deep corruption in the state and how it's been hijacked, look at what Simon Casease said. Sir Simon Casease, who used to be the head of the civil service, he went on the TV last year and said he believes that the state will grind to a halt, not because of the elections, but because the civil service is going to fracture into antagonistic factions that can't work as a unitary thing. This means the country can't operate. This means the government can't govern. That's happening now. The Simon case is a liberal. Now, you you should listen to these people who've been in White Hall and know how it works and know why it's not working.

Now, if you want to be a serious country and you want want words to mean things, again, why is it important that the word justice means something? Well, if it doesn't mean anything, then crime is permissible at the highest level and to the severest degree. There's a man that I know who I met in the pub. Honestly, it sounds unlikely, but people like this go to pubs. He's a very senior criminal barristister for the state state prosecutor and he prosecutes some very high level cases um in the past and I don't want to out him because it's embarrassing but he told me that formerly the criminal classes such as they are because crime is a parallel culture used to fear punishment. There used to be meaningful sentences. There used to be a death penalty. If you got life you went to prison for life and so on. But now they don't fear the law because there aren't any meaningful punishments.

It's it's interesting to see that many of the people who were incarcerated for speech crimes, sometimes up to 3 years or more, for saying things on the internet, not actually doing any harm, not not not harming anyone, but perhaps saying things in the heat of the moment that are understandably angry after decades of the permissioning of the mass rape of our children, for example, by the Liberal State and its officials and its police and its judiciary. What possible reason would people have for saying angry things on the internet? Now, the same judges that have put those people in prison, our people for saying things in a justifiable moment of anger, perhaps saying regrettable things. These same judges, nine out of 10 of them from memory, have released convicted sex offenders, convicted child rapists and pedophiles who've been convicted in court and let them walk out free with nothing with with no with look this is openly the case. There is no justice.

And if you look at what what what Rupert Lo is talking about is basically we need to take serious crime seriously. It isn't difficult to explain to people that if you are the kind of person who rapes children and who murders people in the street with little to no provocation, you are not the kind of person who understands moral restraint or the value of life or that respects the innocence of children. And so that kind of person is the kind of person that needs to be deterred by swift inflexible justice which must include the death penalty. Because of course if your crimes are so severe that you've done something so terrible like this on an individual or indeed a state level then surely you have forfeit your right to life. Now that is the basis of natural justice going back through St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine and to Aristotle the these are some of the foundational principles of our civilization that kept us as a civilization. It is it is obviously the case that when you remove meaningful justice and commensurate punishment in the justice system that your civilization naturally degrades. It shouldn't be a surprise if there's no punishment for the most serious of crimes. Why should we be shocked when they run rampant? Why should we be be shocked that the misuse of public office becomes business as usual?

It isn't the case. It is still not the case that our entire political class is completely corrupt. But a great number of it is or appears to be if not completely corrupt themselves then complicit in it. Because as at every level in our society, if you do not cooperate with this corrupt system, then they ruin your life or at the very least you don't get to have an ice one. So treason treason should be taken seriously. If we were a serious country then the word treason uh would strike terror into the hearts of of of the guilty. Treason is misusing your position to subvert or betray the nation for personal gain or for the gain of the the enemies of of our nation and our people. The the simplest way to put it is is that what I am for, what restore are for is the service and the duty to the national interest. The national interest is not an abstract principle on a spreadsheet. That is the collective interest of our peoples, the peoples of these home nations, our home nations. That's what the national interest is. If if it's if if what you're doing and who you are is interested in that, then we're interested in you, good. If it's not in the national interest, no. And there comes a point where if your international interests, for example, they they they override the national interest and you're in public office, that's a serious matter that borders on treason.

There are degrees of this because it's been explained to me by the same man that I've mentioned earlier on who's the the um criminal barrister that it's not always a case of strictly treason. But there are for example I mentioned the case of Peter Mandelson to him and he said well actually that I said look he he he permissioned a contract with the Israeli government that you know whilst he was in public office for example there was a kind of oil company contract I said isn't that treasonous isn't this treasonous he sold our state secrets he described precisely what it is it is a very serious charge of the misuse of public office and obviously subversive but isn't quite treason it's very adjacent to it may there may be more details of that case that that make it literally treasonous. But the fact remains that however you define this, this is clearly a betrayal of the nation for interests that aren't in the national interest and there are no meaningful consequences. And that man to the to my knowledge is still living in a in a house that was permission to him given to him uh to live in by um Nathan Rothschild and that's in Wilchair. Apparently, he rents it, but I wouldn't be surprised to see if the rent is um is >> well or non-existent.

But but these things aren't a matter of hatred or resentment or envy or bitterness or prejudice as they're always cast by. No, what we're what we're saying here is is that these people were supposed to be the stewards of the fate of our people and our nation. And what they've been doing is been plainly corrupt. It stinks. It's terrible. And there's never anything that's done. What about the fact that we were led into a war in which people I know died in Iraq or came back disabled mentally and physically that led to the deaths of a million historic Christians. Those were lies. The men who told us those lies should be held to account. Th that model of telling us lies about weapons of mass destruction has been used throughout my adult life to permission nationwrecking escapades that have magnified and normalized mass migration to the levels that we see today along with a whole host of other evils. And there's no and there's never any meaningful consequences. Alistister Campbell's now got what's supposed to be the most popular political podcast in Britain as a as a reward for lying to us and dragging us into a war.

And I would like to remind viewers that if you think I'm some kind of extremist, I marched against that war at the time and I met Ken Livingston on that march as well and I chatted to him and there were people there with their kids and if you went there it wasn't just a bunch of lunatic lefties or anything like that. There were all kinds of British people there because even people in our foreign service at the time recognize that this was an outrage. And if you don't know this, you should know it now. The Iraq war in 2003 basically destroyed our foreign service in the Middle East because there were men and women of good character of absolutely outstanding regional knowledge who were genuinely working for a long-term peaceful solution for the Arab-Israeli question. But when that war began that destroyed their careers, there was no future for anyone who was serious about peace or mediation or anything about sanity and justice. No, you were finished. you had to go along with the regime change regime or you didn't have a future. And that's our foreign service, our diplomatic service and so on. And since then, it's been systematically degraded again to people who simply salute this insane and corrupt ideology. It's a business of mass destruction. And if you don't salute that and you don't go along with it, then you don't get a career and you don't get in and they just push you out. And so basically, it's anti-sanity. The system's anti-sanity. It's hostile to the truth.

If you ask reasonably why can't we stop this this this weapon of mass destruction that's killing our nations killing people abroad that's degrading us that's bankrupted our economy surely we can stop now if you just if you just reasonably object to that they call you terrible names if it's extremist to make an appeal to sanity reality and the natural justice of God then what kind of people are calling you an extremist is evil it's an evil system >> well look what happens if you don't want to be run by Israel. >> People say that this is a an invidious question. It comes at personal risk. You they'll ruin your career and so on. That's true. That's why a lot more people don't speak out against it. But it shouldn't come as a surprise that Israel, like any other nation, has a national security strategy that involves trying to capture people for its own interests. Every nation seeks to pursue its own interests and so on. There's just the one fact that I would point out to people which I think cuts through the deliberately poisonous atmosphere whenever you mention the name of the state of Israel is just go and have a look at Hansard from 1944 to 1948 and just type in what happened in the mandate because the mandate of Palestine was our mandate of course and the flag of Palestine was the British flag. just go and have a look at what happened to us and why we didn't rule that mandate after 1948. Just go and just go and see what happened and and I I forgive you if you don't know this because these are facts that are deliberately not supplied to you. They're subtracted from your worldview. But when you understand what happened to us, we British in our mandate of Palestine and and who did it to us and who they went on to become, I think you'll be shocked. And just go and look at the parliamentary record in 1944 to48 because basically there was a terrorist campaign waged by um seriously dangerous described as criminal gangs then by our parliamentarians who who killed us and made it made our rule of law impossible and replaced it with criminal violence. And those people went on to become the Israeli army and the future prime ministers of Israel. And so that it it is impossible to rec reconcile that history with the idea of Israel being an ally of the British people. And I'm not a combat soldier. I know people who were. I'm not a Walter. I'm not a pretend. I was a weekend soldier, a reservist, but nonetheless, it breaks my heart as a former serving soldier in the British army to see people come on and wave our flag and stand beside people who hanged our soldiers in trees and attached explosives to their corpses in the Sergeants Affair, for example, and to say that I'm an ally. No, I if you knowingly do this, you're a traitor. Terrible thing to say, but if you didn't know, fair enough. But anyone obviously who supports a state that was established by a campaign of terrorism that killed our people, our subjects, our soldiers, and indeed sent letter bombs to the president of the United States to try and kill him as I believe his daughter um memorialized her memoirs. Anyone who supports these people knowing that is supporting an army, a terrorist campaign against the British people and our rule of law. You can't reconcile that by being loyal to Britain. This should just demonstrate to you these facts are true. Go and look them up. They're in our own parliamentary record. How can we get to a point where if you don't support those people who killed us and obviously hated us, then you're some kind of traitor to Britain? I'd remind you that the former ambassador to to the United Kingdom from Israel, Cip Livy, is herself the daughter of some of the terrorists who committed those atrocities. And that's a shocking fact, but it's true. And if you look at the parliamentary record, look at the protests that were that were done in 2008 in the 60-year anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel. I think to memory, only 21 MPs signed that motion. But it was a motion condemning the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu and various other senior Israeli politicians from the Kesset held a celebration of the 60th anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel, which to this day is the greatest terrorist atrocity we've ever suffered. They they celebrated that. Sorry that I've missed those. Yeah, they celebrated Metanyah who celebrated killing our people. >> Yes. In 2008, look, go and look at Hansard, which is the digital record of every parliamentary debate we've had since it's been digitized. Right. And it will show you in 2008 that there was a motion filed by I think a conservative MP saying it's it's an outrage that that members of the Israeli parliament and government are celebrating the 60th anniversary of the greatest terrorist atrocity that we the British people have ever suffered and that was the bombing of the King David Hotel led by Mannequin Begin and his Urggon group. Mannequin began went on to be the prime minister of Israel and it killed between 93 and 96 British soldiers and subjects and so on in in the headquarters of the British mandate of Palestine in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1948. And so in in in 2008 Netanyahu and a bunch of other leading Israeli politicians had a celebration because to them this is a heroic moment in the if you like the liberation struggle of the Israelis. If you look at mannequin beimin the who went on to be the prime minister he wrote a book called the revolt which his own his own account of setting up the gun which is a terrorist group which carried out that attack and it's his heroic story and he suggests in that that the reason why that bombing was carried out because the British we British were in possession of evidence it is suggested that David Bengorian the future first leader of Israel was himself implicated in terrorism so that's why they blew the hotel up to destroy the evidence apparently according to men can begin not me that's in his book the gun he doesn't say that he strongly suggests it >> so how worried are you about the Israeli influence throughout our politics because I mean you've got this campaign against anti-semitism which actively and openly works to hunt down and imprison people for free speech who criticize is >> right first of all right it's anti-semitism is industry right and and you should recognize that these things all these grievance things are industries like the transphobia stuff. It's an industry. Racism industry. These are grievance industries and there's people behind it and they make money and they they destroy you and so on. It's about power and advantage, but if you play along, you get paid and or you get preferred or doors open for you. So that's it. It's a kind of stage of it's like it's good for your career to go along with these things and it's very bad for your career uh to be labeled and subject to voodoo curses. A lot of people would love me to go along with the black supremacy thing, but I just refuse.

>> Well, look, I mean, you've got the stature to be a good Malcolm X. And to be honest, his autobiography was fascinating. So, you know, if you need a steer, you know, I might be might become yours one day. I'd like to point out that, and I really should mention this is that I will respect people's work regardless of whether I share their political beliefs or they're on the same side of the argument with me. There's an excellent journalist called Jodi McIntyre who you know, God help him, has suffered from a congenital um condition which is basically crippling. But he has done heroic work to expose like no one to my knowledge in British journalism has the degree of sponsorship uh to which British politics is subject by Israeli billionaires and Israeli adjacent billionaires. And basically a foreign lobby has heavily infiltrated our politics throughout the spectrum. He he concentrates at the moment on the Labour Party. Look at Jodi McInty's work. Again, I'm not a lefty. I'm not saying I agree with I don't have to. I I've personally congratulated him on his heroic stance because it comes at a considerable risk to him, his personal security, to his livelihood. In in addition in addition there's there's a gray zone journalist called Kit Clarenburgg who is not only a bit of a comeie but also he's Jewish and he and I have long been critical of Israel's actions in print and I agree with him about the criminal actions not only of just the Israeli government but their lobby and its influence in Britain the United States but also what you might call the wider deep state corruption that this this takes place in that he's very good at the context of what you might call the industry of subversion and the the the permissioning of permanent war elsewhere such as in Iraq, such as the regime change regime, such as Ukraine. What I'm trying to get at here is this is not a case of so-called extremists or hatefueled bigots like myself picking singling out a certain group of people like the Israelis and their lobby uh for special treatment. If this issue unites people across the bitterly divided political spectrum, clearly I'm not a man of the left. But I can agree with these men about this because we just recognize that it's wrong. It's not about even politics. It's a this is wrong. It's not It shouldn't be a crime to name someone's criminal actions. The actions of the state of Israel can be honestly described in many regards as as as criminal. And and it you don't have to be on the so-called right or left or anything to recognize that. Shouldn't it be interesting if if something is so obviously obscenely wrong that it unites people from complete polar opposite ends of the spectrum? Maybe there's something to that point.

>> And that's the point that I'd like to make. As for reform, the Conservative MP Alan Duncan several years ago when there was a leadership contest that Kemmy Baden won, he complained and he said, "Robert Generick can never be allowed to become the prime minister of of of Britain and he can never become the leader of the Conservative Party because, and I quote, he takes his script directly from Tel Aviv." Now, the whip was suspended from I think Mr. Duncan and there was an investigation into him which was dropped to my knowledge from memory because what he was saying was not only true but the truth about Mr. generic is even worse. Yes, he is indeed heavily influenced by the Israelis. I think it's fair to say that he did receive a script from them because if you look at the way that he discusses things, he's obviously reading out a kind of series of pre-prepared Israeli lobby talking points. So, this is a serious matter. It's not a matter of smearing people because of um racialized hatred or because uh you want to exterminate people. I'm a traditional Catholic. uh I am I I am obliged by my faith to believe and I do believe in the essential dignity of human life. This means I cannot in good conscience ever ever condone genocide or the mass murder or extermination of peoples. To suggest that I am that kind of insane vicious lunatic simply for noticing these things which are true that is that is evil. This is poisonous. We cannot solve the problems facing our nation nationally, domestically, internationally. We can't solve the crisis that humanity is generally in now which has been produced by this wicked system unless we can honestly name the facts. If you wonder what's going on and why there's so much brewhaha, ask yourself one simple question. Why is it so controversial to state the obvious?

>> Bested interests. It's because of the way that we are ruled. Because once you state the obvious and we've we've touched upon many dimensions of the the national emergency and basically the international crisis. Now the common factor is if you point out the madness in our schools, corruption in our political system, the domination of our nation by international interests, any of these things, you're greeted with a degree of of venom, of zelotic fury that's terrifying. and and and you can see that these people are determined in some ways to ruin your life and maybe even end it. Why is that? It's because the truth about the way we are ruled is so obscene that you must silence anyone who dares to speak it. But if we don't speak the truth, we're condemned to live in this awful world, this hell on earth they created. So that's why people now are it's it's not even an act of bravery. It's an act of necessity. If we don't speak the truth, we can't solve the problem. If we don't solve the problem, we're all finished. Regardless of whether you agree with me or not, whether you're on the left or you're not, you can agree that this system is going to finish us all. It will chew us all up and spit us all out because it's a machine that sees us basically as fuel.

>> Well, I think that might be the reason that Farage is looking so worried. You keep seeing him put his uh head in his hands and you see the numbers that were out here in Makerfield on Saturday about a thousand people >> were down for Robert Low reform put out their picture there's all of the speculation about AI but it can't have been more than 150. I had a look at it yesterday and someone asked uh Grock to remove all the plaqueards and it looked like about 70 people. Um the reason for this is because simply put as I said to Mr. Low yesterday uh that sorry I think it was on Saturday that the the branding is great for reform but there's nothing in the box when you open it. The reason, what I mean is is that people are not going to get what they think they're going to get with reform and they're beginning to realize it. They're they're voting against the Labor Party, the Conservatives, the Liberals. Yes, we're all angry about them, but you must be very careful. A bit of flag waving sloganering is not enough to save the nation. There's no real politics there. When you look into what they're actually for and what their interests are, it's deeply questionable to say the least. This is no time for that kind of misgiving. They just can't be trusted. And furthermore, people think when they when they look at reform, they think, "Oh, great. They're going to save the nation. Oh, great. They're going to reverse mass migration. Oh, great. They're going to clear out our politics." No, they've no plans to do any of this. And I don't think they have the integrity or the capability or the depth, the philosophical depth to do it. I don't think they they could really articulate what they stand for. They're great at saying, "Oh, look, we're not them." But when you look at what they're actually for, they're completely unconvincing.

>> Well, this is what I said to one of my friends cuz we've he's been constantly bombarding me with uh the uh reform propaganda and I >> Oh, yeah. By the way, I've got I've got a leaflet you'd like to read on. Yeah, there you are. Yeah. >> Maybe you could come over. You know, >> it's not as many people as I saw >> the other day. Um, oh, it's it's got a >> it's got a 7% for Restore Britain. Well, we'll see whether that's true or not. >> Yeah. Well, seems legit. >> My friend, he keeps sending me all of the reform propaganda. I turned around to him. I said, "You've just committed to the triple lock pension. There is no pension pot. every pension that someone has paid into all of these state pensions. What's happened is they paid for the Warner Ar. They're paying for a smile to go sit on housing benefit. Um they're paying for kids to be told to chop their genitalia off in schools and um they're currently paying for all of these migrant hotels all over the country. We're paying for white elephants in the MOD that routinely deliver absolutely nothing at the cost of tens of billions to the taxpayer, which is why the army are going around in warrior fighting vehicles that came out the same time as the Ford Sierra.

>> Exactly. And they're paying for obviously a nuclear weapons program which doesn't work >> and can't work without the permission of the Yanks. >> Exactly. So all of this money has been spent. So every penny that someone has paid in their entire lives into this pension, it doesn't exist. There is no pot. It's spent. And yet they've committed to this impossible to pay triple lock which for the rich ones is just paying for them to go on their piano cruises is a massive extraction of wealth from the young >> but but it's again it's the never never this is the problem with our politics. One of the main problems with our politics is that politicians typically get elected by promising jam today by making good happy promises saying oh look don't worry we'll look after this we'll do that they can do nothing of the sort. It's just dishonest. The money's not there. You need to take serious action or the patient dies. The patient is the nation and our economy and our people. That's how bad it is. This is no time to be making generous promises with money that simply isn't there. That's just not true. You can't carry on like this. Now, I do know people who do understand the economy to a remarkable level of detail and unfortunately have been schooled about it. People who can explain to you where the money is, how much there is, what we're making. to to put it simply within 10 years if we carry on like this there'll be more people taking out of the system than there are paying into it and that means the economy dies.

>> And I so I I said to my mate I said tell me is Farage lying in order to get votes and actually he's going to go back on this or does he just not take the problem seriously because taxpayers alliance um shows that the debt to GDP it's about four times so when you take in all of the pensions all of the health care um that these people are going to need that they've paid into, right? All of the uh state sector pensions, all of the civil servants who used to get a low wage and a high pension, now they get a high wage and all wage rises usually every year much better than the private sector. And then they get a bloody good pension which doesn't exist anymore in the private sector. You've got over four times GDP and you take in nuclear decommissioning, other assets that are going to decrease. You that's four times. We don't we don't have the money to pay off a debt that's four times our GDP. It's impossible. model of print money and buy off your voters with promises that you may or may not deliver on with money that we don't have. That's killing the nation. It has to stop. That's why instead what Restore is saying is no. No, we have to stop this this this doom loop now before it's too late. And yes, you will probably you well, you'll see people who political strategists say, "Oh, look, you you you'll get nowhere by telling people the truth. You got to make these promises." That's the way the systems worked. And if you think that's a good idea, look at the state we're in today. That's that's how we've been delivered into this by promise after promise. For example, every single government since 1997 has been elected on a promise to either limit or reverse mass migration. And yet between 1997 and 2024, the Office of National Statistics said that 18.5 million people came to the country. And that's just the one they counted. And that doesn't include the illegals. So that was in the teeth of every single manifesto pro promise. Look at the way that you've been ruled. you've been these promises have been made. They've not just been not kept, but you've got the opposite instead. And that is the politics of the continuity of that system. I if if Mr. Farage is coming out and saying these things, then that's a continuity of that. It's saying, "Look, we'll just have to tell them what they want to hear because it's just too controversial. It's just too controversial to say this." Yes, it's controversial, but yes, if we don't change these things, then everything that you love about the country is ruined. And that's the truth. It's time for hard decisions, right? The medicine is going to be bitter, but without it, the patient dies. And I think that that's a trustworthy and honest message. And if you really want to look into it to see basically how and why our economy is generally speaking a scam that markets addictions, addictions to lies, addictions even to gambling, to junk food, to pornography, to things that destroy you morally and physically, there's a whole range of addictions that are monetized. addictions to foreign wars that that are perpetuated through mass media crazes that actually wreck our economy and supply another wave of migrants into your hometown. Look at these things. These are self-destructive uh monetized industries. Look at the economy at scale and that's what it's doing. It's making profit for a small number of people by ruining all of our lives. And that's the honest picture. And so, yes, it's a good thing to get rid of that. And we must get rid of that if we want to survive as a civilization, a nation, a people into the centuries to come, we have to put up with a number of years to come, which are going to be painful and difficult. But if we do that, and we must do that, then we live again. And then we can restore Britain, and we can we can have a great nation. We can have we can have a nation to be proud of and a future worth the name for our children. Or or it's the end. We could have false promises and an election that really ends up being one of the greatest disappointments in our history, but it's not just going to be a case of buyers remorse. This is our last chance. Don't gamble it away on a bunch of empty promises.

>> Do you think enough people are going to be receptive to that message considering how many people have been brainwashed, have been indoctrinated? Yes. Do do you think fundamentally humans are going to come back to reality or is some form of insanity, some form of uh religiosity um and especially a religiosity which is now towards the state because of the um replacement of Christianity with statism.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, because basically if you look at what people have been supplied with, the the liberals since Matthew Arnold in 1863 said, "We're going to we're going to we're going to remove Christ from Christianity." And in his place, we're going to put our political beliefs there to become basically idols for the to unite people in this new popular culture. And that was refined through the speed of information from the paper, cinema, radio, TV to the internet age. And that's what you get. You get these the liberal state religion. But the liberal state religion hasn't delivered a paradise on earth. It's delivered a hell on earth. And that's we all live in it now. Yes, the propaganda is more sophisticated than ever. Yes, it's captured people's minds. Yes, we've all grown up in it. And yes, it's formed my worldview as much as yours. And but why are people going to be dransitioning in a in a very abrupt manner? Why is that momentum building? Why are so many people coming out and saying that's enough? Again, it's reality that's doing this. You cannot censor reality. you if you have a job that hasn't killed you inside already for increasingly worthless wages that you have to supplement by your wife having a job and maybe two jobs and then a credit card if if you can get to work you'll have to go to work on a road that's full of potholes on a train that doesn't work or breaks down that's full of people who probably shouldn't be here that that's dangerous at times you everything is falling apart that's the argument it's the reality that people live in We all realize something has to change now and that something is everything. This is why the the the gravity the the the depth of the national emergency is also a cause for tremendous optimism because you would need a crisis this deep to alert people to the fact it's the fact that the way they've been ruled and the economy and the politics have been structured that has delivered our nation to the brink of the grave and people are realizing that now and that gives you a tremendous historic opportunity to clear it Because as I said, if we don't dispose of this, it's going to dispose of us all.

>> One thing I'd like to challenge you on is your use of the term liberal in a very American sense. You're a traditionalist man. >> No, no, no, it's not an American sense. No, I I do take pains to say this and I hate grifters. I'm not like the other grifters. I'm sorry for saying that. >> I would consider myself to be a liberal. >> Look, look, I'm not a liberal. I don't say it in the American sense. I've written about this a lot. What what I say when I say I'm not a liberal is I I would say that I reject all of it going back to the wigs to the English civil war and so on. >> The the general idea I'm not a liberal. I'm not a liberal. The liberals are revolutionaries. The liberals believe in makebelief. The liberals progressives. The liberals believe in the perfectability of man. The liberals are utopianists. The liberals believe that history is like a is like a triangle where we we come out of some undisclosed beginning and we go up this hypotenuse into perfection and it always progresses. It's nonsense.

>> I mean look look so basically no I'm not an American. Americans use the term to describe people who are of the left or progressive tendencies. But I I would conservatives are liberals. Conservatives are just liberals on the right. All you've been able to do if we just confine this to the 20th century when the liberal dem democratic system was basically designed and installed to replace our former European and Christian civilization with itself. What you could then vote for is left liberals, right liberals, extreme liberals and boleviks. And that's actually what happened in the first iteration of liberal democracy. And that's why I call it the god that failed twice. That's what the new episode's called I should be writing right now. But it it the god that failed twice because the liberal system collapsed within 15 10 years of its institution in the 1920s and it's failing again. And the reason why it collapsed is because its ideological complexities contradict reality to the point where it can't resolve the priority of rights. So it it favors liberal ideas of rights, but that leads to insoluble conflicts between antagonistic groups such as women and men dressed up as them who claim they have a prior right to being women, for example, They're insoluble. And the liberal system because it it makes these rights up, it can't account for that because it's all to do with the way that it describes reality. Again,

>> you're talking about a very continental system. You're essentially taking the sort of French conception of liberalism. And firstly, I don't I don't think we should be taking our definition of words from the Americans on how we speak English. I don't think we should take it on the French because I would see liberalism as a negative negative system of law >> um negative theory of law where people have fundamentally negative rights and the only positive right that would essentially exist would be the right of justice from the state that is a the the essential positive right >> it's not the liberals that have an exclusive property on the idea that you need a state and so on I mean that's just that that's that's just their view of the role of the state >> but it's a very limited view Look, what what I will say briefly about that is that, you know, there's several ways to describe the liberal idea. There's the liberal tendency itself, which is the kind of enlightenment rationalism that comes out through things like the wigs and the progressive tendency and so on that that goes back to beyond the beginnings of the English civil war. That tendency of like if you like progressivism uh the progressive idea man can be perfected, man's reason is supreme, man needs to be uh liberated. the Rousoian idea, the religion of mankind, that that that man's a rational being, that he's naturally good. These are all fantasies that men are equal. That's also a fantasy. Human equality is a myth. It's a false idol and its institution has, as the church predicted, resulted in a total social and moral collapse. But and and a collapse of social international order because men simply aren't equal, as you can see, if you stand next to me. Most people have. He he >> Oh, you you you tower over me intellectually. No, no, no. But, but, but the thing about liberalism is that liberalism is a utopian system. And some people who um who read me who are like me, traditional Catholics, have said to me, well, why why are you recommending John Gray? Because he's an agnostic and he's dodgy about this and that. John Gray was taught by Sir Isaiah Berlin occasionally. And Sir Isaiah Berlin was the greatest champion of the liberal idea of the 20th century. And John Gray, who incidentally is a a kind of rather um is a person of restricted growth in the north of England, who wears Tweety jackets, so why would I like him? He's written a book called Seven Types of Atheism, which is an odd thing for a traditional Catholic to recommend, but it's really about the limits of liberalism and the fact that it is a secular religion and that it is insane and and it inevitably leads to this insanity.

>> But is is he taking it in the French sense? Because see, >> I don't even know what you mean about the French sense. And I'm not talking about the French system. I'm talking I've talked to you about the fact that there's an enlightenment philosophy that comes through English liberalism that is that is of a peace. But I wouldn't describe that as the whole of English liberalism. And I would say that if you wanted to describe that as progressivism, that's fine because you're that you're talking about people who are essentially utopian. They are go they are going to this utopian place. They believe we can always progress. It's always going >> I take exception to you trying to frame me as a Frenchman. I mean I love I love France and all that but there are you know >> I I think the the French conception of what liberty is is always derived through the state. Whereas I think the English conception of what liberty is is so inherent and traditional and our No, I've got no time for that at all. >> Baked within our culture. >> No, no, no. I don't believe in liberal rights. They're all nonsense. All of them. They're all nonsense made up by liberals. They're just It's just basically an example of man's vanity and arrogance against liberal rights. I'd give you natural rights. If you want to know what they are, go and read Aristotle. Have a look at the Nicopag Aristotle's politics. Go and have a look at the work of St. Augustine. Go like the confessions of St. Augustine. Go and read St. Thomas Aquinas. Natural rights. Yes. natural rights is basically the greatest correspondence in description to the nature of reality and being across time from the Greeks to today. Whereas the liberals trying to come up with a different system that's basically just what liberals believe and that's not liberals in the American sense. That's people like John Stewart Mill. That's people who you know kind of respected like the British empiricists like you mentioned like Barkley Lock and Hume and so on. These these people No. No. I don't have any time for that either. No natural rights. Yes. Yeah. Natural justice. Yes. Yeah. Liberal rights, liberal justice. No, no metaphysics. This matters. It's abstuse, but it matters because metaphysics is the nature of being reality and there isn't one in liberalism. It's fundamentally just made up when you get to the bottom of it. Basically, you I would say that actual liberalism is the ideology of life, liberty, and property, defending people's fundamental rights to live freely in a

negative sense, not a positive sense. Because when you put the positive prescriptions of the state and you say, "Okay, well, you're entitled to this and the state must provide you education, the state must provide you healthcare." I go that is one of the most liberal illiberal things possible because it just goes straight into the realm of socialism and it believes in in that sort of perfectability whereas a liberal would say actually I don't believe that we can have this infinite perfectability. I believe that we should have a very constrained state because I don't trust it because I think that men are corrupt. I think that uh where you consolidate power corrupt people will come towards that power and try and corrupt them.

You're talking about natural justice. I mean like the thing the thing is is that this is this is a very this is very interesting conversation but it needs more time than this because I'm at risk of being misunderstood of coming across as some something that I'm not but there is a very serious argument here and and the argument reduces to this uh at the the level of the first approach which is that we have not been supplied with the terms sufficient to explain this question and so when we try and talk this is the problem of of where we are now in history. When you and I or indeed anyone tries to talk about basic facts about reality, there's a problem because we're not sure that we're all talking about the same thing because our language, our vocabulary of experience has been intentionally corrupted and impoverished. And so these things actually do mean very specific things. And and if you if I was permitted to go on for endlessly, I I think I could give a reasonable account of of of why what I believe is not insane, but in fact more correspondent to just what's there in the real world rather than people that I might like to read.

Because that's basically the argument that I'm making is that is that there is a system of ideas that more closely correspond to the changeless nature of being and reality than have been supplied to us. And a lot of those because we've been told that the absolute pinnacle of man's intellect and his spiritual welfare is what's been supplied to us by basically the long liberal tradition since the enlightenment. And I would reject all of that and say that everything that we've got from that is a counterfeit and it's an act of vanity. And we should look at that with extreme skepticism and say, look, if we really like these ideas of liberty and so on, look what they've liberated us into. They've liberated us into a void. Practically speaking, look where li women's liberation has liberated them from womanhood. the the the idea that there's nothing more to to to the sanctity of life than your right to property and your freedom from harm has led us into a a financially and morally bankrupt even depraved condition that's barely worth the name human condition. So there are limits to this that aren't recognized because it doesn't have a metaphysics fundamentally. And a metaphysics is is the description of the nature of being a reality. And the metaphysics I'm talking about of of natural justice, the arisatilian one, the the the toist one, the Augustinian one. This is the closest correspondence to reality and being that's ever been committed to paper in human history. And there simply isn't a competitor. And it's not a debate. You know, you mean like it's it's just that we we in especially in England, it's kind of cradle of kind of modern liberalism, we've been given this idea that that there isn't anything better than that. And and that's the problem because liberals can't recognize their limits. And so when they come up against those limits in reality, when they produce awful effects and people reject liberalism, liberals don't understand why that's happening. They think, "You must be insane. You must be a bad person." because they can't see the connection between their utopian ideas and the dystopia that they create and they think well look I mean only bad people reject that but no it's it's just because basically this is what it inevitably leads to the liberal idea inevitably leads to a contradiction of reality and an insistence that if you don't believe in this utopia uh that we're that we're never arriving at but which requires us to constantly row across an ocean of blood then you're a bad person. This is madness. And that's where it's got us.

Well, I would I would I would happily concede the term utopian liberalism.

Yeah, fair enough.

And if you want to say utopian liberalism, then I'm sure

liberalism is a revolutionary idea and I'm counterrevolutionary.

So you Oh, have you got your uh little plun?

I'd like Edund Burke, but I'm not a conservative. I'm nationalist.

And we're different because conservatives, as you can see, have conserved nothing. They're not they're not just complicit in some cases. They're actually treasonous. Not literally in the sense that they should be executed. But but if you carry on with a system that basically what's conservatism become? It's become an industry in itself where with if if you're a popular conservative, what you do is you make a lot of money by trolling your audience by giving them rage bait about what the liberals have done today. And you you make a name and you gain and retain your audience share by that. But you never do anything and you never you never stop anything happening. always gets worse. And of course, if you investigate the causes of these problems, you can solve them. But if you solve the problem, you'd solve your own income. So that that's an industry. Conservatism is is basically a monetized form of sensational virism at the increasing obscenity of your own existence.

Well, this is one of the things I mean, whenever you talk of actually reversing something, I remember I was um in a meeting a very long time ago. I think it was maybe six, seven years ago. Um I have to be more more like seven, eight years. Um and Jacob Reese Mog was there and yeah, people talking about okay, how do we fix the economy? And he just went, "Oh, you know, the the the the minimum wage. This is this is now passed." So it was locked in. It's the the ratchet. It's literally ratcheted in this minimum wage which excludes uh people who are low skilled excludes people who are disabled, excludes all sorts of people who need to get their foot in the door and get that first job.

This is this political philosophy when this is exactly what people like Michael Go have said in the early 1990s. They said, "Look, the Conservative Party now accepts that the future of Britain is going to be multicultural. We're going to have mass migration. Like you said, it's just locked into the system. You just got to get on with it. Otherwise, if you don't applaud this and you don't carry on with the way things are going, then you have no future in politics and you won't have any future in business. You've got to just accept this. This is this is what's been decided, has it? Now, isn't that great? Now, we have to look at whether we can do better than fundamental evil and mass destruction of our civilization and people. Yes, we do. Because that's what we face if we don't change. I think um Mr. Reese Mog has a sensational taste in three-piece suits, and it's very good to see a man who has impeccable manners, a good vocabulary, and is of course an an observant Catholic. But you just have to ask, what has the Conservative Party conserved? What what would it ever conserve? This the state that we're in today is is undoubtedly due to the actions of the forced political consensus of which the Conservative Party is obviously one polar axis if you like. These people are just the managers of our national decline with different color ties.

And he's a liar as well because I know from Andrew I know I know from Andrew Bridgen that he obviously knows about the jobs. Many people

I would never contradict Andrew Bridgen. He's a man of an unquestionable integrity. I met him before you thrust me into the public eye against my will. Lol. And Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The triumph of the will. But the um the thing is is that um m Mr. Bridgen I was deeply impressed by him. I met him in the pub. Didn't know who I was. Uh I I was nothing obviously. Nobody knew who I was then. And what he told me he almost brought me to tears because the amount of sacrifice that he's made the sacrifice to his reputation his income you know his personal security is immense and the and the inducements that he was offered to go along with it

peres could have been home secretary

to go along with co and so on to just basic and look look we know they told him we know we know about all these things but just don't talk about them and you can have all this like that's the way it works people are realizing that's the way it works this isn't a political party question. It's just the recognition that our state is rotten and it's not legitimate. That's a very serious question. That means the state as it's constituted has no right to rule. Its laws of void. Its policing isn't just. Nothing it does is in our name. Nothing it does. They're not the servants of the people. They don't serve the electorate. They don't serve the nation. They're basically acting like a crime syndicate. Now, that's a very serious thing to say. This is why you need a disciplined, humane, realistic, reasoned solution to the national crisis. Because if we don't stop these problems, they will soon come to a point where they get out of hand and nothing will be done. Not we won't be capable of limiting the damage. It will get out of control. And that is nobody wants that. It is the first duty of the state to provide security to the rule. That's what the rulers are supposed to do. It's the state's duty to prevent things from getting so bad that they get out of hand and you can't contain them. That's anarchy and it's horror. So in order to do this, the first thing that you do is you have to make it permissible to talk about the causes of these effects that we inhabit because that's the only way we can solve these problems. But again I would stress if we are not permitted to describe the truth to make basic descriptions of reality then we can't identify the cause of these problems and we can't solve them and then we will soon be in a situation where there is no solution because things are completely out of control and that would be hellish for everyone whoever and wherever you are and we can't have that

and I'm sure the uh the Shire shall be scoured but we have to wrap up but what I want to ask you is speaking of the Shire as the last thing. How has it been becoming an international global sensation and how is the Mrs. Frank taking it?

Well, uh, so far the hedgehogs haven't noticed and so I'm very consoled by that because we do have hedgehogs in the garden and, uh, and I do speak to them and I because I do actually follow and and help to support whenever I can hedgehog rescues. I know that when you see Hedgington out, you know, you should try and give them some water and you have to give them specific types of like little dry biscuit. You can't just give them anything. So, you must look it up because I don't want to say it here in case I get it wrong. But on one occasion, I heard my wife squealing and uh and I thought, "Oh, oh, maybe the Lord has delivered her the exciting end that she's finally deserved. So, I thought I'll come quietly and slowly down the stairs so things can the moment can be brought to its satisfactory crisis." But it wasn't that. It was the fact that she was squealing with delight that she'd found uh by the way I love my wife intensely and I think that it is the greatest gift that I could ever be given that she's given us our children. I thank God for them every day. And and that's why I make tasteless jokes about my wife. And I also say to people, I should say it now that she does have an 8 kilo kettle bell, which I've given her, which is near the bed, so she uses it every day. But um perhaps it's been a blessing to to to go on this and because otherwise I thought she might bludgeon me to death for never shutting up, but she's actually said she likes internet me because she can pause me and and switch me off. But anyway, she squealled and I thought, I wonder what that is. You know, hopefully it's not some violent intruder. It's very unlikely in in the country. And so I went downstairs and it was a hedgy. It was big hedgy and he just appropriately enough just emerged from the hedge, right? And it was the right time. It was dusk so he wasn't ill and he looked really healthy. And I went up to him and he didn't curl into a ball and I was wearing this. I've got my bristly tash. I want to know how do you do and he looked at me with his little eyes. We had a little chat and I said, "Oh, I was getting some supper." And I got him water and his biscuit. came back and they had a little bit of a subsup and then I realized Hedgington had not curled up in shock right obviously I'm quite a shocking site as it is but usually they do and I realized they must appreciate good manners they do

so you're halfway between uh Bilbo and Ratagast then

look I I actually tried to make a video for ridiculous reasons I I got this idea last year of making an advert for products that don't exist because obviously I dislike grifting and I think it would be very funny to to try and advertise things that you can't buy that are just stupid. So, I came up with this idea of of advertising a powder called Frodo Pawa, which does nothing other than makes your feet extremely hairy. And I made this little video. But to do this, I said to my neighbor, "Do you have a wizard hat by any chance?" And he said, "Oh, give us a couple of minutes." And like there's about six people live where I live. I looked out the window and Gandalf was there. Like Gandalf with I'll show you the video. He's got a beard on there. He's got the full rig on and the sword, the engrav, the real one. and he comes over and say, "I come to you now at the turning of the tide." And I had um this ridiculous wig that I found on a 53 bus. Uh it was a black woman's wig and I think you know that was kismmet if you like. It was fate. It was the lord's hand that delivered that onto my head. So I put this little thing on and I look exactly like a hobbit. So I made this ridiculous little video like in his garden sitting on this kind of little wooden throne, you know, and that's it. We we actually do get up to that. It it is in the sh.

Oh, do you know what? I think that's going to stand you in very goodstead when you stand for election for Restore Britain eventually.

Yes, I think I should probably make a credible speech from a tree stump dressed as a hobbit whilst my feet become extremely hairy.

Accompanied by by a wizard of course.

Yeah.

Thank you for Thank you for having me once again. I'm sorry for going on.

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