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You really don't need to have months of experience using claw code at all. Like it's so easy to do. I used it to build a membership platform called digitalcreatorclub.com. If I had tried to do that before, probably would have cost me like $50,000, $100,000, but I did it in like a weekend and the first week it was making like $20,000. I was blown away. To me, that feels like magic.
>> How would you recommend people get started?
>> Let's get started now. What would you like to make? I was watching one of your recent videos and right in the beginning you said this and I had to ask you about it. You said, "I used to be anti- AI. I used to think it was a bit of a gimmick. It's not really going to help me with too much. It's all hype basically. But in the last few months, a lot has changed and I've never felt so excited to use AI. And it's all because of one tool." And so Olia, what's changed? And then what is that one tool that you're referencing?
>> Okay, so the one tool I'm referencing is called code. Um, and I think the main thing and the main reason why everything's changed for me personally. I think it's changed for everyone, not just me. I think it's this idea of development and making stuff online used to be very expensive. Like if you want to hire a developer, you want to build an app, you want to build a website or something like that, it used to cost tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions depending on what you're trying to build. But the gap now is is pretty much closed. I'm not I don't want to say it's like absolutely perfect because of course AI can do its own thing, but for me personally, the idea of building stuff and making stuff is just it's like just made it so much easier. I don't have to hire a developer that cost me $200, $300,000 a year. I can make an app that is nearly as good. I'm not going to say it's as good, but it's nearly as good. And I can do it by myself without an engineering team or anything or anything like that. I can do it all by myself.
>> Yeah. You know what? You know what the cool thing and even when speaking with you and um just looking into your background is that you have spun up so many different businesses and digital products and like online businesses but then you also have the context of like you had a 9 to5 at some at one point. And so my question to you specifically for that person that's sitting at home watching us and they're in that 9-to-5, what is the value and the impact potentially that learning how to use and becoming familiar with something like Claude Code could actually have in their lives.
People who have a 9-to-5, especially because I've seen it with friends around me, close friends around me who have normal 9-to-5 jobs, and I've got them into using Claude, I've got them into using Chat GPT, um, and other AI tools. And when I show them, hey, you know, you can do this task a lot quicker if you use an AI tool to do it. And I I demonstrate to them live like it's you can tell them however much you like but until they actually see it that's when it's like oh wow okay I can save a lot of time here and I can look better to my boss or I can look better to my colleagues whatever it might be um because I think AI if you use AI in the correct way in the right way you can really sort of use it to to compact time and compact your work as well.
Yeah. You know what? Even in the the quote that I read out initially, you spoke about having that belief in the beginning that this is kind of gimmicky. It's like uh it's hype. And I think that we've seen that throughout with AI. Like even now, everyone's talking about, you know, the new thing is, oh, I have 30 different agents that run my life or run my business. I'm curious for you. Is there like a a vivid first moment or first thing that you built with Claude Code where you were like, okay, no longer is this just like hype or something that sounds good on the internet. This has like real-world application for me in my business or just in my life, in my work in general.
>> I think there were two moments for me. So the first moment was like October, November, maybe September last year around that time. I can't remember the exact time. So this is like 2025. Um I had heard of Claude Code. I'd heard of the product and stuff and I I just thought ah you know what is this? Let's just give it a try. And I gave it a prompt. I gave it a prompt of uh build me a website out of these photos. So basically I gave Claude Code a folder on my on my computer and I told it, "Hey, look at this folder and make me a gallery. Make me a gallery website, like a portfolio website." And this was literally just one prompt. And then it just did it. And it almost just felt like to me at the time like magic. Like whoa, okay, if I had tried to do this manually myself, probably would have taken me a couple of days to do if I were to code it myself because I do have some coding background knowledge. Um, but I did this in literally five minutes and I was like, wait a minute, this is pretty unbelievable.
And then I took it a step further in January this year when um Claude sort of launched Opus 4.8 um, which I think they launched in December, something like that. And I used it to build uh, a membership platform, a membership website called digitalcreatorclub.com. And I have no background in building databases in APIs like I have no experience in doing that sort of stuff. Uh my coding knowledge was very basic. But here I was building something that required payments, required a database, uh required some logic in terms of pricing, um invites. So when someone pays, they get sent emails, they get sent an invite to like a Discord. And then there's also content as well, all in one place. If I had tried to do that before again, it probably would have cost me like $50,000, $100,000, something like that, but I did it in like a weekend. And I think those two moments for me were really the game-changing moments where I was like, "Holy moly, like I could really I I think the limit is really my imagination on what I could build."
>> Yeah. You know, that is actually a crazy realization. The the limit is only your imagination. And and you talk about um you talk about that first experience it being like magic and and the interesting thing is if you look at the the data and you even if you just take the data here in the US like the majority of people have never used Claude, let alone Claude Code and I think and and I'm even speaking from personal experience I I use Claude like we use Claude in my business but there's still a level of intimidation for me even having these conversations with Claude Code specifically. And so I'm curious for you, is that something that you hear when you speak to friends, uh, peers, they have like a a level of intimidation of even getting started with Claude Code and then why do you think that is?
>> I think it's like anything new. I I think it's you know when when any sort of new technology comes out people are scared people are afraid and they're also in this stage of like oh if I don't know I'm not going to do it sort of thing. Um people find it difficult to learn something new or try something new. I think Claude Code as a product itself as a tool itself I think even the word code can make it quite intimidating for people because they're like oh I've got to learn how how to code. I've got to learn this. I've got to learn that. But it's really not the case. Claude Code is very similar to this the normal Claude product that most people use or the Chat GPT product that most people use. It's very very similar. It's just instead of it giving you answers, it instead makes stuff. It instead it instead makes code. It instead does the logic for you. Instead does a lot of the stuff that can be quite complex and quite difficult, but you use natural language to do it. And I think once people get past that first step of like, oh, let's build something basic, oh, let's build something a bit harder, and then let's build something really hard. And that's when they realize, oh, wow. Okay, the like I said earlier, the limit really is your imagination again.
>> You know what? It's it's exciting, Ollie, because we're actually going to show people and hopefully take people to that first step of like they've actually can watch this and follow along with us and then build something using Claude Code or build their first workflow using Claude Code. Before we get to that, and since you mentioned it, Digital Creators Club, cuz I was I was uh I was watching one of your videos last night and you build like the the website for Digital Creators Club and the infrastructure using Claude Code and you mentioned that in the first week that it's live, uh you do nearly $20,000 in sales. Can you talk about that experience? And then also to this point, how has Digital Creators Club like developed, grown? How much have you even made from it? If you're comfortable sharing sharing that.
>> Yeah, Digital Creators Club for me was more of like an experiment. So, I've had requests from my own audience for a while now. I'll be like, "Hey, why don't you build like a Discord? Why don't you build like a place where where people can talk, where you know your your sort of audience followers and whatever can interact." Um, and the idea from it for it actually came from someone else. Um, where they built like a a similar sort of club. So, I built a Digital Creators Club. I just thought, "All right, let's just put it out there. Let's just see what it's like." And yeah, in the first week it was making like $20,000. I was blown away. I was like, "Okay, I wasn't expecting this." I was actually going to give it a I was actually going to give like access away for free, but someone told me a a friend of mine told me, "Do not give access away for free." because if you give access away for free, you very much lower the quality of the members that join. And I was just like, what do you mean? Like that doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Like I want it to be accessible for everyone. But basically, he said once you as soon as you put a price tag on it, the quality of the members, the quality of the people who are part of the club are so different from people who are just expecting free stuff, who are just, you know, kind of floating through life, don't really know what to do or whatever, and they just want someone or they want whatever just to be involved or whatever. So Digital Creators Club has now become a place where there are other creators like me. There are other business people. There are other people making stuff um in people investing in stuff. It's it's it's quite a high quality level of members. And that was my aim with it. I just didn't realize putting a price tag on it is what will help me get that. And I I've kind of realized as well that if anything I should probably raise the price further because then it raises the the bar of entry even further and it raises the quality of the members further. I don't exactly know how much I've made so far. I think it's like I want to say it's like4 to $50,000 something like that. And that's with very minimal advertising.
>> Yeah. You know, Ollie, one of the things that's been crazy to me, and it's actually really exciting, um, and and maybe even that word is like kind of rare right now because I feel like there's a lot of anxiety when it comes to AI and like what the impact of AI could be on people's lives. But I think the fact that you can have an idea one day and within the space of a few hours that idea is like built and live in a functional way like it actually looks good and works because of something like Claude Code or one of these agents. It's actually very unique like that that never really existed in human history. it would take weeks of development, sometimes months or years of development for people for someone to put out a product. And so it's like,
>> Yeah, I
>> go for a I want to interrupt you there cuz like I think to myself, we're in a stage now where I really do think and and I really do believe and this is what I tell people that
>> if you're not using AI tools, if you're not using AI agents, if you're not using Claude Code, I very much do believe you're going to fall behind. I very much do believe whether it's in your business, whether whe whether it's in your work, whether it's in your lifestyle because a lot of people think that you you should only use it for work or for business, but you can use it for your lifestyle as well. I've seen people make like wedding websites with Claude Code. I've seen people make birthday websites, event websites with Claude Code, and these are more lifestyle things that you just wouldn't have been able to do before.
>> Yeah, it is. It is really like a it's a unique edge. And and one of the things on like a mindset level, and I was telling you this even before we we uh started recording, I watched one of your videos where you were talking about um like there's such a relatability in your story, right? Because you you have this video, seven things I learned from hanging around with rich people. And one of the things you say, you said, I grew up poor. I didn't really know any rich people. And you go on to talk about how uh that experience meant in many ways you grew up with like this scarcity mindset. And one of the things that you actually learned was that just working hard doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be wealthy. And it was like I was I was thinking that about that this morning because when you talk about Claude Code and what some of these AI tools are capable of that feels like even more the case today like even it's even it's become even more important like what you're working on and how you're working on it versus just putting in hours and hours of work.
Is that is that something that you even think about given kind of how you grew up and where you're at now?
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>> Yeah, like I think Claude Code and other AI tools, they now make things a lot more scalable. Um, and I think that's something I learned from this is like just the same idea with that video where like I learned it from other wealthy people. Doing things that are scalable, doing things that aren't necessarily tied to your time. Um, because there's only so much time you have and there's only so much time you can sell. There's only so much you can charge for your time. But once you start doing things scale like in a in a in a scaled manner, you can do a lot more things. You can have a lot more impact. Um, you can change your life in a lot more ways. you can change other people's lives in a lot more ways. And I think AI tools are that scale because you can have an army of AI agents. You can have an army of AI tools all doing this stuff for you and they work 24/7 around the clock and they can all work together to to do a lot more stuff. So it is like having a modern day I want to say like when you see companies who have like tens of thousands of employees and they're just doing things at massive scale. AI agents are exactly the same and people are figuring out now, okay, you know, I don't need a team of 20 people, 50 people, 100 people, a thousand people. I can just implement AI agents to cover a lot of those things and have almost the same thing.
>> Yeah. You know, I I I think about that point, Ollie, of like just working hard doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be wealthy. Is there like a vivid moment in your story? Because because growing up and I had the same thing growing up, that's all you're really taught, right? If you just work hard and you apply yourself and you do things everything the right way, then there's something for you on the other side. Is there a moment in your story where you like tangibly learn and internalize that that hard work doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be rich or wealthy?
>> I think it was when I was selling my time. Um because I used to do client work. So I used to try and get businesses to pay me to make their websites to design stuff, whatever. And I got to a point where I was like, okay, the market rate for UI UX designer is around 500 a day, which don't get me wrong is amazing money. 500 a day is amazing money, but that's eight hours a day, 5 days a week. And that's like 2 and a half grand a month. I mean, 2 and a half grand a week, 10 grand a month, whatever it might be. And I kind of realized it's hard for me to charge more here. It's hard for me to make more money here. And I'm also using up a lot of my time. I don't actually have that much freedom. I've got to jump on calls and stuff. And it was in that sort of moment where I where I sort of realized, okay, what can I do that's more scalable that's not tied to my time. And that's where sort of digital products came in. So well before AI stuff came along, you know, I started experimenting with digital products. And when I had so this is like back in the Tumblr days. So Tumblr was very popular in like the sort of 2010 to 2013 2014 sort of era. And I I was just on there. I had my own Tumblr blog and stuff, but I started making templates, Tumblr templates. And then there was a month where I made $30,000 from Tumblr templates in one month. And I was just like, what in the world is going on here? Because I worked a lot less than I would have doing eight hours a day, 5 days a week. And it really clicked for me like, wow, okay, I need to stop doing client work. I need to stop selling my time. and I need and I need to do stuff more in a more scalable manner. Um, and that's what I try to do now. So, digital products, YouTube, um, building stuff online, using AI agents now because AI has just become so much more powerful. These are all things that are scalable. And it also means that I don't have to work hard. Like my average day now is 4 to 6 hours maybe. And that's if I even choose to. Some days I'll just be like, "Oh, you know what? I want to do something else and I won't work." I'm very, very fortunate, very, very grateful to be in that position. And it's the same with like meetings. I don't do meetings. People will email me and be like, "Hey, I want to do a meeting." And I'm just like, "I'm sorry, but I just don't do meetings." I only do one meeting a week, and that's with my team on a Monday morning. Rest of the week, I'm doing no calls, no meetings. Um, but yeah, going back to your thing, I think it was just that moment of selling digital products where I realized, okay, I need to stop selling my time.
>> Yeah. You know, it's it's exciting because it's also um I think when you talk about the digital product and I was even um
>> I was watching a video that you put out super recently like this week where you were talking about how um you made these wallpapers with AI um and then and then you made $30,000 off that and it was uh it's also like a level of passive income and it's like earning income over that amount of time. Can you actually pull up Digital Creators Club just so that people have the context of what your what your site actually looks like? I think it'll it will help them kind of internalize everything.
>> Okay. So, this is the visible version that people would see of Digital Creators Club. So I've just shown you what's working in Claude and then this is the the version that you know I've made live basically and we can see you know it's just a simple heading description join the club and we can see some pricing we also have like a testimonial and all of this you know was built by Claude I did not do a sing I did not like code this myself I also want to again make that clear this isn't like me typing away for hours on end trying to code all this no no this is all done by Claude even some of the text was done by Claude because I just gave it the idea of like, hey, I want to build this club and I want it to be like members only and I want it to be for creators and entrepreneurs and stuff like that. Can you build me like a scaffold like a what you think the website should look like? And then I just started making edits. I just asked it, hey, can you change this? Hey, can you change that? Hey, can you add this? Hey, can you add that sort of thing? Very simple, natural language. Imagine it as you have yourself and then next to you you have an engineer and then next to you you have a designer and you're just watching their screens and you're telling them what to do. So you're like the orchestrator basically. That's the way I like to imagine it. This is the homepage of course that everyone lands on and then once they're logged in they can see the actual content. So they can see the manuals and stuff that we have here. So, we have like personal branding stuff, online marketing stuff, um just all the stuff that I've learned over the years in like one place basically. Um this is currently going through a redesign, but yeah, this is basically what we've built. And you can also if we go back and we go back to the homepage, we go to the account page if it will load. That is there you go. the account page, we can see like um it's connected to my Discord and people get an invite to the Discord when they purchase a membership. They can get a membership card. They can manage their billing. Again, this was just all done by Claude Code. It just blows my mind that it can even do all this stuff.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm curious, Ollie, like how uh how experienced were you with Claude Code before you built this website? Like is this something that you believe someone could they could get started and within a week be at a point where they're starting to build something like this or like where did you begin?
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. 100%. I I I don't think you need to be experienced at all. My experience even now even though even though we're doing this podcast, I'm doing this podcast with you. I am I wouldn't consider myself an expert. I still consider myself a beginner. But I have always believed that the best person to teach a beginner is another beginner. They just need to be a few steps ahead. I'm just maybe a couple steps ahead because I've built something and and it's made money. But something like this, honestly, anyone can can build it. Anyone can make it. You really don't need to have like, you know, months of experience using Claude Code at all. I think the important thing is just asking it when you get stuck how how like get it to educate you. Get it to ask it questions being like how does this work? How does that work? Because over time as you as you keep using it you learn you learn like different terminology. You learn how databases work, you learn how like APIs work, all that sort of stuff. Um so yeah, I really do believe anyone could build this.
>> Yeah. Okay. That's really cool to hear. Okay. You know what? Let let's go here because like if if someone's at a job right now, are there certain things that you imagine that you're like, "Oh, if I was working a 9 to5 or even back in your days when you were doing like client work, you're like, oh, okay, if I was using Claude Code, what would be some of those specific ways that you're like this would be an ultimate edge in my work?"
>> Okay. Um, I think I think a good example actually um is something like for example I do some sponsored campaigns on my tech YouTube channel. Okay, a brand comes to me and they're like, "Hey, we want you to make a video and we want you to publish it." And then what I've started doing is once I've uploaded the video and it's been up for like a week or a month, I ask Claude Code to go look at the video. I ask it to get the views, the engagement, the comments, how many comments it's got, how many likes it's got, um, and the thumbnail and everything. And then I get it to make me a report and then that report is in a PDF format and then I send it off to the client. Simple as that. Um, that's is something that I just wouldn't have done before. Uh, I've seen agencies do that, but agencies usually have had to hire someone in the past to do that and it's so time-consuming, right? You've got to go find the video. You got to get the information. You got to make it look all fancy. You got to You got to know how to maybe use a design tool or something to put it all together. But Claude can do that.
>> Yeah. Actually, really I think what you just said is uh it's valuable but also underrated. Like it could go over someone's head, which is any workflow that really it relies on data. Like there's like this significant data component to it is something that could be potentially automated. um by using a program like Claude Code. And so Ollie, here's where I want to go because we spoke about the level of intimidation. And I know especially for me, it's like the terminal. I there's like this um when you see the terminal, you're like, "Okay." And and even just the way that Claude Code looks and even the fact it's called Claude Code, you're like, "This is for coders."
Like that's your version. You're like, "This is for coders. I'm not a coder. This is not for me." And so I think the most important thing that you and I can do is just showing people how they can get started. And so if you could share your screen because I think momentum is so important in the beginning of things of like taking it from the theoretical and just starting to build.
>> And so could you just show people like even if we just took I don't know like a blank session. How would you recommend people get started?
>> Yeah, I think a blank session makes the most sense. So, um when you start a blank session, this is usually something that it looks like. Um you just have like a blank page and whatever. Uh right now, this screen that you see here in the middle is just showing like how many tokens I've used and how much I've built, whatever. But, you know, that's based that's just my history on like what I've used Claude Code for. But, most people who haven't used Claude Code won't see this. Um, but in here what you can do is you can choose a folder for Claude Code to run in. So you can either choose a fresh folder, so a brand new folder, which is what we're going to do, or if you'd like, you can choose a folder of an existing project that you've made or maybe someone else has made and then you put on your computer and then you can work in that. But you can also work in the cloud. Now, obviously those are things that we're not going to go into. We're just going to keep it simple and work within the computer. It's within like a folder on our computer. Um, let me quickly let me set this up very quickly. Uh, and just context for people, Ollie, as you're doing that, you would you recommend it looks like you're working in the Claude app. Would you recommend people download the Claude app versus like use the web browser version or does it not really make a difference in your mind?
>> I I honestly think it's worth just using the um Claude Code app. I mean the the Claude app, sorry. U because the Claude app has the chat, it has co-work, and it has Claude Code built in. And I'm, you know, for someone who's now been using Claude Code for a while now. I'm using the code tab in the app. I'm not using the terminal anymore. Now, there are some benefits to using the terminal. you can do a few more complex things, but for my work and for what I'm doing and for what I'm trying to achieve. The app itself is more than powerful enough. Like you don't need to go into the terminal and start reading the matrix basically. Like you don't need to do any of that. You can just use the Claude app to do it. Um
>> I'm actually going to uh start trying to use this after this conversation. So I was like that was the thing for me. I was like I don't want to use the terminal. That just is doing a bit too much. terminal.
>> Honestly, don't I I I tell I tell all my friends, anyone who ask me, don't use the terminal. Don't even look at the terminal. Don't even try to because it's just way too intimidating. Even for someone like me who's been using the terminal for like six, seven months now, I just wouldn't recommend it. Um, but okay, let's get started. Now, what I've done is I've made a new session. So, I've clicked the the new session link here, and then I've chosen a folder. So, we can see where Claude Code runs. I've chosen local. So, that's what you want. And then I've chosen a folder. I've just made a folder for our show here. So, I can literally go into Claude Code here and I've just made a folder for the for the show. Cool. That's where everything will now live. Um, and we can ask it to make something like um what what would you like to make? Let's not go too complex, but what would you like to make? What do you have?
>> Okay. You know what? Actually, I I don't even know if I'm assuming it can do this, but I think it would be interesting. Um, I think everyone has like to-dos or like emails, for example, that they get like over the weekend or maybe it's like a Friday evening at work and they've already logged off. It'd be cool to create some sort of like dashboard of like key to-do items or uh like emails that have come through like these are the most important things that you have to deal with on like a Monday morning.
>> Okay. Okay. Um, I'm going to simplify your idea a bit because I think building a dashboard can take quite a bit of time. So, what I'm going to do is I'm just going to ask it to build me a simple to-do app where I can type stuff in and then um it will like sort of save it and then we can tick each item off.
So, let's do that.
>> Yeah. build me a to-do app um in a minimalist style list format. Uh, let's put in something like, um, I want to be able to tick off any items that I've completed and automatically strike through them and move to the bottom of the list. Okay, that's going to be our prompt. I haven't done this, so it's going to be interesting to see the result. Um, we'll also actually ask it to uh show me a preview once it's done. This might take a couple minutes. Um, it depends on how complex or how hard it it thinks it's going to be, but we'll just see what happens. We'll see what it what it does.
>> Yeah. I have some questions actually about the the prompt you gave itself the because your prompt is pretty concise but then it's also quite specific in some areas and then also at the end you mentioned the preview. Can can you kind of just talk through even just how you think about prompting cuz I know people overthink that part of the experience a lot.
>> The prompting I think it kind of like I don't want to think too much about it, but then I also think to myself, if I have something specific that I want, it's worth including in the prompt. So, if I can imagine an idea, I can imagine something working in a specific way, like I did in the prompt where I said, I want to be able to tick items off and and automatically strike through them and move them to the bottom of the list. That's a very specific behavior that I want the app to do. Um, and it's always something that I think is worth putting in the prompt. Um, not everyone's going to think of it, which is okay. Like, if you don't know the specific idea or you don't have anything, it's fine because you can refine it later on. You don't have to just oneshot everything. I think oneshotting everything is the worst. Like, there's no such thing as oneshotting anything. Um, I think the best products that I've seen built with AI are usually refining. Um, but I want to go back to what we're building now. Whenever you're building something in Claude Code, it will ask you for permissions. Um, you can allow once or always allow. It's totally up to you. But basically, it's asking you what it's trying to do, but I'm just going to say always allow because I I'm happy for it to work in the folder and do whatever it wants to inside that folder.
>> That's actually that's a good point. And and I guess that's the value of having um initially you set up actually like a local folder on your computer for it to work from. And it means it's not going to cuz you've had cases with some of these agents where it starts like changing file. I guess it has access to so many different things in the way that someone set it up and it deletes files or it changes files and people lose work. So that's actually like an advantage of the way that you've set it up. So that's also an advantage of the Claude app itself. It's not just the way I set it up. The Claude app itself is very strict on what it can do. Um Claude have obviously designed it to be like that because they are obviously worried and they don't want to be responsible for people having their their work deleted or their computer or whatever just whatever it is deleted, right? Um they want to be able to have it they they just don't want to have that risk. So Claude usually always asks you for permission. It always asks you what folder you want to work in. Um so that you're containing everything in that folder. But it looks like we have our result now. Here's our to-do list app. Um it's made it for me. How long did that take? I don't even know. Probably what? 5 minutes. 5 10 minutes. Something like that.
>> Um and here it is. It's ready to go. So I can ask it to be some I don't know. Um uh reply to the brand email from Friday. Something like that. Press enter if we want to. Will it do anything or will it just show us a HTML? Okay. So, we've got to open it in the browser. So, let's do that because I've just read the prompt here. So, it says to use it for real, just double click the to-do HTML to open it in your browser. So, we have a preview here. We can see the preview. I can't really do anything other than type anything in. So, let's open it up in our browser.
>> Let's do it.
>> Uh, so we now have it open in our browser. Uh, we have the sort of it's basically what we saw in the in the Claude Code app as well. Um, and then we can type in, like I say, something like, uh, reply to the brand email from Friday. And then if I press enter, will it add it? Yep, it adds it. There we go. We can add another one. Uh, pick up.
>> And that was literally just copy and paste. You just copy and pasted the link uh into your browser and it just opened up this window.
>> Uh, no. What I did was I went to the folder where the file is and I just double clicked the file. I just double click the file that it told me to click in the in the Claude app. That's literally it.
>> Um I don't even have to copy anything. Um the the link that you see here is just where the file is on my computer. Um that's all it is.
>> So this app is like local to your computer. It's not on the internet.
>> Exactly. Right now it's local to the computer. Um but yeah, we've obviously added these and look, we can even delete things if we want to. We can um add more tasks if we want to. We can see two remaining, zero done. So these are things that it's already thought about that I haven't told it to do. So we can see like two remaining and zero done. I didn't ask it to do that. It just it just knew to add them. It just knew to do it. Even with the animations, we can see when I hover over, we can see the the delete sort of or the X animation is nice and smooth. It comes in and out. And then whenever we tick something off, something like reply to the brand email, it ticks it and then it moves it to the bottom of the list all automatically without me having to do anything.
>> Yeah, that's so cool. me. Yeah. To me that feels like magic. It
>> is like magic.
>> There's no other way to describe it.
>> Yeah, it is like magic.
>> Um, you know what, Ollie? Cuz I know I know your background and like your your love is really in design. I'm I'm even just thinking about like is there a quick like design build that we could add even on what we've put so far that would just kind of demonstrate what it can do like visually?
>> Yes, I've got an idea. I have got an idea. Um, so we can ask it something like I'm gonna change back to Claude now so that you guys can see. Uh, D.
>> That is like magic though, isn't it?
>> Yeah. I think once you start using it yourself, you'll be like, "Holy why didn't I do this before?"
>> That's actually what I'm thinking right now.
>> All right, cool. Um, okay. like you like you just asked. Let's add some design elements because it's quite simple looking, right? Like this is what it looks like. Just like a nice like neutral background with some text. Um I I'm trying to think to myself, okay, what if we gave it like a an Apple aesthetic or something like that? Hopefully we don't get sued for this, but let's just say um can you give the app an Apple style aesthetic? Um, add some colors, uh, backgrounds, cards, etc. Okay, super basic prompt here. I'm I'm curious for you, Ollie, when you're actually when you're designing something like even with the Digital Creators Club or uh on Claude Code. Will you ever because that that was a like a super basic prompt like you mentioned, but would you ever put in I don't know screenshots or references or be like here's the exact typography like font that I want in there or like here's my brand colors. Like do you do all of these things when you're I get that for the basis of this example. It doesn't make sense, but I was just curious.
>> Yeah, 100%. You can do exactly what you just said. You can take screenshots. Um I don't think it's great at screenshots and like understanding screenshots as much. Um, but I do think if you were to give it like actual brand guidelines, so like what font you use, what colors you use, um, what font sizes you use, um, and give it like actual hard data because AI like like we discussed earlier, AI really works with data the best. Um, you can also give it links to websites. So if there's a website you like the look of and you want to almost follow a similar style because it can go to the website itself in the background and then pull the HTML the CSS from the website itself. It can pull the styling and then it can also apply that same styling to to your app as well to your website.
>> Yeah.
>> Um but here we are. We have our result.
>> That's crazy. So now we have an Apple style app and we have we can see it has like a nice blue to white background. It's on a card. It has like a blue tick, you know, and it's again it just feels like magic. Like it looks very different from what we just had.
>> Yeah. You know, I was thinking as it as it popped up I was like um did we just build the reminders app? Like we just we just built reminders in like 10 minutes.
>> Yeah. Well, that's obviously that's what it's made it now. Look, it's called it reminders now instead of to-do list and then it's added new reminder rather than like a task. So, yeah, it's obviously gone off of that and we didn't tell it to make a reminders app again. It just figured it out.
>> Yeah, that is crazy. You
know what? Because I I even think what you mentioned, Ollie, cuz it's um it's like magic and it's uh it's so simple. I think what you just outlined and I think about um people that are are listening or have had the experience where they've tried to use Claude code, they've gotten really excited maybe from watching uh a video or a conversation similar to the one that we've just had and then they've tried to build something, it hasn't worked and then they've got like demoralized and kind of like disillusioned with the whole thing. And so I'm curious from your perspective when using Claude code are there certain pitfalls um that you think that people could potentially fall into that rather than having like the experience that we've just had where it's like magic like if you fell into these pitfalls or kind of these common mistakes I should say it would actually uh change someone's experience like what do you see as some of the common pitfalls with using Claude code.
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So for me personally, it it it doesn't get everything right every time. So there are times where especially with like digital creator club where something hasn't worked and I and like I don't know why it hasn't worked because obviously I haven't built it. I haven't coded it. So like you know to me I'm just like hey what's going on? So when that happens, if I can find sort of any errors on the screen or I can if I can find any information on the screen or whatever, I usually try to like screenshot it and then I put it into Claude code and I tell it, hey, there's something wrong. Look at it and fix it. It's as simple as that. Like I I do very basic like diagnostics and troubleshooting because I want the the Claude code to figure it out for me. But that can be a lot of issues that that can be like a big issue for a lot of people where like they build something and it and it doesn't work or it stops working or something goes wrong. Um, and I would urge them just to keep trying. I would urge them to to learn how to troubleshoot. I would urge them to take screenshots, look at logs, look at errors, and like paste them back into Claude code because then it can figure it figure the issue out for you rather than you having to figure it out. Um, and I think that's the most demoralizing part when something goes wrong and you're just like, damn, like how do how do I fix this? What do I do? But, um, Claude code can usually fix it.
Yeah, I I I love the fact that um of what you mentioned earlier of like it's actually educating you. You know what, Ollie? cuz I think um I think a final thing that'll be really impactful and useful to share with people because as I was watching you show um digital creators club or even when we were talking about the fact of how um like people could build like reports that they send to clients or whatnot using Claude code. My question to you is how are you linking your like data I guess to to Claude code. So for example with digital creators club and I mean data both in terms of the numbers but then also resources like you have all of those manuals and whatnot or even if someone for example like they wanted to link spreadsheets or like numbers into Claude code or like their email for example to Claude code so that it has something that it's pulling from. How how are you doing that?
>> Okay. Um let me show you how that works. Uh okay, Claude. Okay. Um is it customize? Yeah, customize. Okay, here we go. Okay, so in Claude Code, um there is a customize tab here. And this customize tab, the great thing about it is that it's isolated to the session that you have. So, currently we're in this minimalist to-do app session, right? Because that's what we've been building. We can go to that customize tab and we can go to connectors. And in here, I've got all these connectors, right? And these are connected to my external services. So, I have like ClickUp, I have Framer, I have GitHub, I have my Google calendar, um I have even my PayPal is connected here. I can see my PayPal balance in here if I want to. Um my N810, Railway, Gmail, Google Drive, they're all connected. Well, Google Drive and Gmail, sorry, aren't connected, but I can connect them if I want to. And then I can have it pull the information from those different services. So, this is where it can be very powerful because you can imagine if you have 10, 20 different services all connected at once and then you get Claude to be like, "Hey, go to my Google calendar um or like go to my Google Drive, get this spreadsheet, put it into a website and then add it to and and then email someone in my list in in Gmail and then if they reply with like a a calendar link, add it to my calendar." Like all this sort of stuff. It's you can really go quite deep and like you can really go quite complex on on how you want things to work and how they connect. I feel like my example is probably not the best example that I'm saying but I want to make it easy for people to understand because I think if I start talking about like Superbase and I start talking about like Sanity which are two things that I use for digital creator club it can become quite overwhelming for people. So I think showing the connectors here and you guys seeing the connectors is probably the best way to show oh I can access my calendar, I can access my Google Drive, my Gmail within Claude code.
>> Yeah. No, that's that's really useful. And you can and I'm assuming well actually you just let me know you can actually set it to do tasks like on a cadence. So what I mean for example you have the Gmail connector and say that you had all of that set up. You could say, "Every Sunday at 8:00 p.m., I want you to pull I want you to go through my inbox and tell me what are the first five emails I need to respond to Monday morning." And it would run that on a it would run that on like a cadence, like it would run it every Sunday. You would have that output.
>> Well, um that you wouldn't actually use Claude code for that. You would use Claude Co-work instead. Um Claude Co is better at doing something like that. Um, as far as I can tell, I don't I honestly couldn't tell you because I haven't looked at it myself, but I don't think Claude Code has like schedule um a tasks, but Claude Co-work does. Um, and in Claude Co-work, you can have it do what you literally just said, like you can have it every Sunday, do a task, do this set of like list of tasks that you've set out and it will do it. And you can have multiple like things going on at the same time. So, yeah, I think Claude Co-work is better for that.
>> Yeah. And and to that point, do you find yourself because you have Claude, you have Claude Co-work, you have Claude code. Do you find yourself like actually kind of interacting and like switching between like you might do some you might talk in Claude and then take something back into Claude Code and I guess you're just doing all of this through the app.
>> Yes. Yeah. I what I try to do is um from my personal experience trying to stick to one app that can do sort of everything like Claude can can be very beneficial because all of your stuff is already connected and it has context cuz like as you use an AI agent over time it obviously builds like context it builds a memory of you it understands you it understands the way you like things done so yeah in Claude just a normal Claude I'm asking questions like everyday stuff that maybe I would have asked Google search in the past. Um, Co-work. I'm using it to do stuff like you just said, um, sort of tasks here and there. But I've actually found myself using Co-work to do things like say there's a folder in my I did I did it yesterday. I had a folder of images and there were two different types of image types in there. There was like a raw image and a JPEG image. And I was like, I don't want to be selecting each one and putting it into a folder. I'm just going to ask Claude Co, hey, look at this folder. Sort all the images for me into two into two different folders and it literally did it within like 10 seconds, 20 seconds, something ridiculous. Um, that's what I like to use Claude Co-work for. And then Claude Code I use for building stuff. So if I want to build a website or I or I want to work on an app or I want to work on my existing projects, that's what I use Claude Code for.
>> That's a really good that's a really good breakdown. You know what I um I think about what you mentioned right in the beginning that um I think for anyone and like the use cases are so clear for entrepreneurs right and we spoke about the wallpapers we spoke about digital creators club but specifically if we speak to um someone who's like in their 9 to 5 like working a job you mentioned that point of being able to engage with this and understand it from an early point is an edge like it's a it's a distinct edge in your career. And so where my mind goes when I hear that is that I think that the action like the next action that someone takes after watching this conversation is so key because that's the momentum right there. And so Ollie to kind of finish off for people, let's say that someone watches this conversation and then you know maybe they have a free Saturday morning or like a Sunday evening. Uh they have a few hours to kind of play around with this. What would you recommend that they go and do immediately after listening to this conversation?
So I think with Claude code specifically because that's what we've been focused on in this conversation is the most basic thing is building a personal website. Like just build a personal website. Like it's so easy to do. I like literally it takes like 5 minutes to build a personal website. Um tailor it to you, you know. Um make some adjustments. Make it to use specific fonts that you like or specific colors that you like. Um, you know, maybe take one of your profile pictures from Instagram or something, drag and drop it into into Claude Code and tell it, "Hey, can you add this picture of me to the website, please?" And I think from there, you can build the momentum because once you start seeing it do stuff and build stuff, you start pushing the limits. But the limit is really you, like I like we've said a couple times now, the limit is your imagination on like what you can do. because I personally haven't come to the limit of Claude code yet. Now I'm not some crazy experienced engineer. I know some engineers that have come to the limit, but for the average person, they are not going to hit the limits of what Claude code is capable of. The the AI agent is so smart in what it can do, you really do just have to start trying things, start building things. And I really do think building a personal website is one of them. And then maybe say say you had like a business idea. I think everyone has like that dream business idea that they would do, you know, if they had unlimited money and they didn't have to work or whatever and or they wanted to become rich. Let's just say they want to become rich and they want to start a business. Build a website for that business. Use Claude code to build a website or build an app or whatever it might be. Um and then I think from there you're really going to be like, okay, wow, okay, may maybe this could be something. Maybe maybe I could make money from this. It can give people that edge of like, oh, anything really is possible.
>> Yeah. You know, I think that's so good. And the funny thing is actually as you were saying it is I've been meaning to build uh like a personal website for myself uh and the show for a long time now and I've been procrastinating because I'm like this is going to take hours to do and it's so like fiddly with these like custom website builders and whatnot. But I also, you know what's funny is um even as I was doing the research and the preparation for this episode, obviously I clicked on your website and I saw I think I counted and I might be off with this. I was just doing like a quick count like nine different kind of like products, services or like newsletters or like affiliates and it's all housed within this website. And so I remember thinking to myself, I'm like, the value to someone of just having that digital footprint and like that home where like everything that you created and built over the course of your career, it can live. It's like you can't really put a number on what that value's been, what that value's been to you, as an example.
>> Yeah, for sure. Like I kind of see a personal website as like it's like a public CV or a public resume, right? Um but the great thing about it is with a CV or a resume, you're forcing it onto someone. So like, you know, you're looking for a job, you're forcing it onto someone, but with a website, they have to intentionally come to your website. They have to intentionally click to come to your website. And I think they're already if if someone's already doing that, that means that they're they're already interested in who you are and what you do in some way or another or they've heard of you. And a website is such a great way, a personal website is such a great way to to portray who you are, what you do, what you build, um what your life is like. There's so many different ways you can do it. So like a photographer can have a a personal website obviously of their photography portfolio. Um uh I don't know, like a furniture maker could have something for furniture or whatever. For me, obviously, it's more like it's like a directory. I like to see my website as a directory. I like to see it as the hub of where I have all everything that I've learned over the years, links to everything that I've built, and also it's almost like an archive. So, like some people go to my blog and they see posts from like 2015, 2016. Um, and I look at those posts as well and I think, wow, I can't believe I was I was making this stuff back then. Um, but I think again it shows that, oh wow, okay, um, Ollie has been doing this for like over 10 years. Like, you know, he's not fresh to the game and and he's not just started in the last few months. Um, and it really kind of like ups I guess you could say like brownie points, internet points in a way. Um, which I think is important because, you know, I'm sure you get this. You get messages from people online all the time asking for advice, asking for this, that, and the other, but if they don't have like a profile picture or they don't have a website or don't have any background, I'm just going to be like, I don't know who you are, like it's it kind of makes it very difficult to to know who you are and to help you.
>> And you mentioned it being like internet points. And I think that, you know, we even started this conversation talking about uh someone looking to get a promotion or make more money or get a new job or like any of these things. It's like without that internet resume and like people being able to search you and like see something come up um and see like what you've done and why they should care. It's like that's how careers are being built in 2026 and beyond. So, um, Ollie, I just want to I just want to thank you because, uh, first of all, I just feel like you're a great guy. Like, you've just been a great guy to speak with. And then, um,
>> No, that's really nice of you to say.
>> Yeah. And then you've just been you've just been really open uh with the information and making it really simple for someone to get started. Like literally for me, just watching you, I I almost feel bad in a way that I haven't done it yet. Like I haven't
>> No, don't don't feel bad. I I I really do feel like like anyone who's watching this video and even you thinking about doing this, you're already ahead because you're already thinking about what you know to trying to do something. Um, don't feel bad about feeling like oh you haven't done something yet. I think I think if if if you if it was like two or three years down the line, I'll be like yo like you know we had this conversation two or three years ago. Why haven't you done anything? So I think that's when you should feel bad. right now you you just didn't know what was possible until you see it. It's as simple as that.
>> Yeah, this is the first step. Ollie, thank you so much, mate. This has been awesome.
>> Thank you for having me. It's been great.
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