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Look at your shirt right there.

>> Oh yeah, I hate Trump and I will happily but but see >> it's but it's but at least you admit it.

>> Antifa doesn't mean liberal and Tifa also stands for anti-fascism. So that's the thing. This is all very nuanced. By definition, we should all if we have American values be anti-fascism.

>> These people destroyed my city. Beverly Hills was destroyed by these people. That's violence.

>> Well, Tulsa got bombed. So like that's historically Tulsa got Tulsa got bombed.

>> Are you justifying Derek Shavin being on George Floyd's back for 9 years?

>> Okay. Now there's justifying George Derek actually from this question. Can you answer that question? Answer that. You got to let me finish. You got to let me.

>> I grew up I went to one of the best school districts in California. I took college readiness courses like very young. I was very much prepped for this life where I knew I was going to be able to go to a university. I knew I was going to be able to get a good job. But I knew I was going to have all of these life um prospects that a lot of people that are in predominantly black areas where they don't have access to those things where the schools are not being funded well don't have those opportunities. And so much of that was because I had immense proximity to white people. I only knew white people for the vast majority of my life because those are the communities that I was in. And that's what we give to white people. So I can even only think that I can do the things that you can do like go to college, like buy a house, like do all these things because of a proximity to whiteness.

In today's episode, white conservative women and black liberal women come together for a candid conversation about politics, culture, faith, and identity. They unpack how race and ideology shape their views on womanhood, family, and society while challenging stereotypes and confronting tough questions about equality, responsibility, and justice. Through moments of tension and unexpected understanding, they search for the values and experiences that unite them as women in today's America. Welcome to the bridge. [Music]

>> Hello, my name is Paris and I'm a liberal.

>> Hello, my name is Rhonda and I'm a liberal.

Hi, my name is Heb and I'm liberal as [ __ ].

>> Hi, my name is Sierra and I am more moderate as [ __ ] but very closely aligned with the liberals on many issues.

>> Uh, I'm Kennedy. I consider myself more of a progressive with some conservative leaning uh ideas as well.

>> Uh, I'm Taran and I'm I think more of a Republican constitutionalist. Um, I tend to lean a little bit liberal on some issues uh because of my past with some things, but I'm mostly conservative.

>> Hello, my name is Shiva Big. I'm a Christian conservative.

>> I'm Lisa Cusack and I'm a conservative.

>> I'm Chelsea and I'm a conservative.

>> Light. And the first prompt is both major US political parties have contributed equally to the rise in political violence. We have a tendency to stand on what someone says with their rhetoric. So the things that we see, the things that we can say can incite things. I know that's not an excuse for any side having, you know, any level of violence, but um we've both both sides of the aisle have gone towards a more darker way of existing and all we're doing is as followers of these political parties. It's just pushing that rhetoric forward. Um it's just us as an ecosystem and not to have the divide be more politically based. It's socially based and with that to me there is contributions from both sides because it's not just hey someone has gotten out here and done something. It's also the rhetoric the things that are put out there that allows those who might be uh less inclined to follow the law to do things. So in a particular platform you have to be careful with your words and if you're not things happen and then you know where we are right now is exactly how we get here. So, I do believe um not well wholly on both ends, there's been contributions from both the conservative side and the liberal side as far as pushing forward um an unintended agenda uh that could include violence.

>> I think I want to speak to that because I think that we on this side, you and I may, I could be wrong, most closely align on things, but I also want to speak to that nuance of difference that most a large demographic of people may feel. So, I was struggling initially like with this question, but the reason I ultimately said that both sides, both political parties, which that let's be clear, I'm probably going to lie mad this episode. I we got to get away from that. That's part of the problem. That is part of the problem. Even amongst us, there's so much nuance. You know what I'm saying? There's like four literally each one of you have said you are four different types of conservatives. And that's fine cuz you're four different people and the same for us. You know what I mean? Tangent pause. Going back to to this, I do think that both sides I condemn political violence. I would start out and say right off the top, if you celebrate someone, even if you don't like them, for their murder, I think that's appalling and I will always stand on that. And I hope I never get to that point over politics that I feel that way. And I know it has to do with like a lot of other things like things that people said and all those things, but we on either side of whatever you believe cannot ever get to the point because it's dangerous for everyone where we are applauding violence. And I'm not I know that's different than sympathizing and having sentiments for someone and agreeing with someone and pointing out that you did not agree with them when they are alive. So I'm just just making that as a blanket statement. his so both sides have responsibility as Americans for being like this is the standard as we always had as it was in the '90s when I grew up that we're not going to do that historically it has come more from the right side if you go from historical context and I saw that from research and I don't want to take up a lot of time so we can get into that and I can share why I think that is and give some examples I'll even say even the DOJ discovered now which Trump just had removed as of September this month 2025 that a lot of the violence comes from. He had this this from his own Department of Justice that our biggest threat is white nationalist, white supremacy. And that's just facts and that's what it's been. Even what we're experiencing right now has been someone under that criteria. And I'm not trying to blame. The last point I'll make, it's like we even see that the left has been there was no um there was no absolute that that person was on on the left side or anything like that. But yet that hate and that rhetoric from what happened with Charlie Kirk assassination, which should have never happened, there's still like this hate and this call to action and we have people marching in the streets talking about white men fight back. So I'd love to hear people's thoughts about that.

>> I I want to interject. So, I used to be a Democrat. I voted for Obama, but I changed parties later on. I I didn't vote for him the second time. When he gave money to Iran, and I'm half Scotch Irish, English German, and then on the other side, I'm Iranian, so I was born in Iran. When he gave money to that radical regime, I said, "This man is evil. Why would you give that government that spreads terrorism around the world that money that's ours?" So that was the first like eye opening experience. Then when Trump was saying things that are basic like securing our borders, they called us racist. They called us all these names and dehumanized us. This is what they do in tyrannical countries is they make us less human by saying you're a racist. You're a bigot. You're this. I will tell you when I voted for Obama, none of my conservative friends ever attacked me. when I became a conservative and said, "You know what? I'll tell you, I think Trump is gonna win." But so many people don't want to mention the fact that they're voting for him because they don't want to be called these names. They don't want their business canceled, which mine was. And Rosie O'Donnell was one of those people that cancelled my business. I've had to live this. I've had to live the attacks. Perez Hilton dots my personal information. I got threats to my life. I got threats that people were going to rape my child. Never have I experienced and fake news too. They said I punched a cancer survivor. No, an Antifa member clocked me with her shoulder and I pushed her back and they said that I punched a cancer survivor. So that's called fake news. Then they said I was terrorizing children because I wanted to get the mask off my child's face. She was getting a rash. It's not healthy. God wants us to breathe freely and it does not hold a virus. It's.3 micron. So, uh, you know, I I'm so tired of the fake news twisting things because if you look at a lot a lot of these people, they they are mentally ill. And we're not looking at why these people are mentally ill. First off, the far-left are telling our children that they're a mistake by saying, "Oh, you're born in the wrong body. That's evil. God created Adam and Eve." Okay? There's two sexes. The word gender was coined by a pervert pedophile named John Money. And John Money had this uh study with these Rhyr twins and he did some really pedophilic stuff with these kids, these two boys, having them on top doing sexual positions. Totally screwed their head up. Finally, this boy, it just was a debacle. This boy, the mother said, "You know what? You were born a boy." and she should have known when her son ripped off a dress when he she put a dress on him to not do this anymore. But he lied about that study and they did thousands of reassignment surgeries because of that lie. And they say that hate speech is truth speech. So when they use the word hate speech, I don't even like that rhetoric because it's a lie. Hatefulness is when you're telling people to die. I I showed you one of my text messages from what I get every other day from the left.

>> This is an attack on me because I'm a Christian conservative and I love this country. I don't teach kids to hate themselves, hate the flag, and hate the country. That is the indoctrination centers that are going on in in Democrat-run states. So, I just believe that the hate is coming from the left. Look at your shirt right there.

>> Oh, yeah. I [ __ ] hate Trump and I will happily say that.

>> But but see girls is but is but at least you admit it. You at least I would never have a hateful thing for any of you. You know why? Because you were made in the image of God. And I look at every person as a person that has the ability to live eternity with Jesus Yeshua. And I love you all. I even love my enemies. I actually prayed for these people like Perez Hilton. I prayed for Rosie O'Donnell after they attacked me.

>> I do want to just make this comment um because I I think I didn't hear the word equally. Um there there is at no point is there unequality in terms of what you see that's that's put out there. And you mentioned fake news. I I we are supposed to be a well informed electorate. There's a reason why there is a a you know electoral college. But we have news at our fingertips. what we're doing is we're we're taking that part away and we're going on the headlines. We're going on whatever source that we're getting versus just ourselves doing maybe some research to understand what's maybe the precipice of this. So there is I do believe some inequality because when you look at conservativism versus liberalism, you know, it's not that conservatives don't want change. I think it's a more of a slow progress. It's like we're trying to hold tradition to to certain values and I understand that. And then you have I I don't want to say liberals. I think it's more progressives because we are changing our technology changes us every single day. We get a new phone what every third day. So with that technology changing everything else in our lives is advancing. We now have to take into consideration how these things affect us as an ecosystem. So, um, the the the push out of information and what you use with it, that's that's that's the only tool that we truly have. How do we use it? Are we are we being, you know, made into political soldiers by virtue of a small headline where we've not gone in to do any level of research about it. And that's what I'm fearful of. It's partisan loop, blaming loop because whatever beliefs you guys have, whatever beliefs we have, there is something that can back that up to make us believe that. I just want to say I don't absolve the left and that's part of the reason I said I'm more moderate because I do believe it got more hateful. I read I I led a a very large amount of protest after George Floyd demonstrating in peace with a lot of different people and Antifa folks came out there and it was crazy. But they but I had to acknowledge that because Antifa doesn't mean liberal. Antifa also stands for anti-fascism. So that's the thing. This is all very nuanced. By definition, we should all if we have American values be anti-fascism. You know what I'm saying? They're not.

>> We should. Right. Well, I don't represent them. I'm I'm actually pointing out to what you said to validate and not absolve that there is a lot. And that's why I started out with people like it or not saying talking about like it can be vile.

>> These people destroyed my city. Beverly Hills was destroyed by these people. That's violence.

>> Well, Tulsa got bombed. So like that's his so historically Tulsa got Tulsa got bombed. You know what I'm saying? So that's where I'm coming from as a history teacher. I'm coming from historical uh uh context. But that's why I'm also validating what you're saying about the hateful rhetoric. But when we go to acts and things like that or the DOJ from the Trump administration report that was removed, that's what I'm referring to because I don't have the dog in the fight anymore as far as being right. I want to move forward and we cannot move forward if we don't understand the history.

>> I just to speak to what you said a little bit. Um and this I know it'll be this is a little bit more of a touchy subject and obviously we're in the heat right now of Charlie. Um I go to Charlie's church. Um my pastor was Rob McCoy who's Charlie's pastor. Um so our church right now we're mourning. We're grieving. I was just with Charlie a month ago. So, um, to speak to that, the response that I've seen on a national level has been prayer. It's been vigils. We have we had a 600 increase percent in church last weekend, and I've heard the same across the board. Um, my question for you, because you brought up George Floyd, um, is seeing the response after George Floyd was killed, which was wrong. it was wrong what happened to him and I spoke about what happened to him. So, it wasn't like I was this silent white conservative. Um, but the response and what took place afterwards. Can you speak to that or or I want to open it up speak to what you know we can we can all see with our eyes, right? So, we can all acknowledge that there is a very different response happening right now in the wake of what's happened with Charlie if we wanted to call it like a you know crime or so to speak. and versus with George the just the response that we see with Charlie versus what happened with all the BLM and after after George Floyd was killed and whatnot seeing that and I don't and maybe you can educate me on that is BL do is BLM grouped in with liberals would you say or was like how does that

>> a movement there's an organization and there's a movement so the idea that black lives matter is that if we are going and I really want to let other folks speak I just want to answer you very

>> you brought it up because I'll let them actually answer your first question. I think that's fair about George Floyd and the difference and then if I feel like there's something and they say there's enough time I'll chime in. Thank you for you know at the end of the day George Floyd wasn't saying things that are historically inaccurate and things that could be construed as hateful rhetoric. Now whe you know and that's just

>> and we're talking about the response.

>> So that's why but I'm telling you like I'm telling you and I know that you guys don't have our lived experience and we don't have lived experience people watching and we don't and we don't have your lived experience. So, thank you for the question and for context. I'm not the, you know, the absolute on anything black, but I'm telling you, or a liberal or left, but I'm telling you, by and large, as someone who was out there, it's like the conflating of someone who was a victim of this crime, and Charlie was absolutely a victim. I don't care what anybody says. Like, he was absolutely a victim. That should have never happened. And I'm so and I'm, you have my condolences, you and your church, because that's my humanity. You know what I mean? And that's like I will never unsee what happened to him, right? Just like we'll never unsee what happened to George Floyd. I've been deeply disturbed since I've seen that. But the response is and I want other people to speak on this.

>> First of all, George Floyd was not a public figure until he was murdered.

>> Sure.

>> Do you see what I'm saying? So when I go out there and I speak, I'm accountable for the things I'm saying, how I'm saying, and if they're historically inaccurate. So, people were upset and people were offended and I feel like they felt as though, and I received this, they felt as though they were being attacked for not mourning someone who they felt had been attacking them. However,

>> I I don't need to speak too much on that because the very first thing I said about this was I condemn and it's not appropriate, right? And for and nobody wins and says more about us than anybody else if we celebrate someone's someone's murder. I'm not if I you can circle back to me. I'm gonna let this

>> No, I was I was genuinely curious what what the census is.

>> Um I think the difference is exactly what you were saying that George Floyd was an innocent man and Charlie Kirk was a public political figure who made a lot of really harmful remarks. I think that my biggest frustration in the way people have responded to Charlie Kirk is there's so much policing of the way the left has responded to it. if we're not falling to our knees being like this is a terrible thing and Harley was an innocent man and essentially ignoring his entire past. Definitely don't condemn political violence, but I can also sit here and say he said a lot of terrible things. And I think that that's

>> what terrible things. I want to hear what terrible things.

>> Black women don't have the mental capacity to

>> No, that's not He never said that. He never said that.

>> See, they This is the problem with fake news. They trust his words.

>> You have to watch. Have you watched the whole clip?

>> Yes. I I want to I want to also point out the fact that you were saying that you received a lot of really violent remarks about your daughter, about yourself, and I don't condemn any of that. And I think it's important to hone in on that specifically on interpersonal political violence because I think that's what most of us can relate to and understand and um ultimately sews the seeds for something like Charlie Kirk to happen. So I think that that's like a relevant piece. Um so I absolutely condemn all of that. But when you're saying that, oh my god, I had all these people get so mad at me about the fact that I voted for Trump. Why is there not a reflection on why that was the response? Like instead of looking at her t-shirt and being upset about that, like why is she saying that pretty girls don't like Trump? Why don't we have that?

>> I already know because I I've talked to people on the left. When I had a rally, I let them speak. I let them speak and have a voice. I wasn't trying to silence them. I'm being silenced. I got kicked off of uh Facebook twice. I I got kicked off of Tik Tok. They don't they they don't they I have to keep making new accounts. That's censorship. That's not the American way. The American way is freedom of speech. And that's what happens in tyrannical governments.

>> Um I I'd like to jump in. First of all, I really appreciate that all of you like so vehemently condemn political violence. And and I agree with you. I think that's very important. The reason I would argue that it more stems from the left is a couple of things. First of all, to address that DOJ statistic that you were talking about, the way the Biden administration came up with that is they had the FBI start separate um offices in every state in every city and they used January 6 to basically they went after every single person and put that as a mark of white supremacist violence even if the person like walked into the capital and actually I have a friend who was black conservative who walked into the capital who was harassed by the FBI. Yeah, we all know.

>> We all know. Um, and so that's how they came up with that statistic and that's why it was taken away because it was very flawed. Um, there's been numerous assassinations attempt. I mean, there was

>> political violence though. January 6th,

>> there was some political violence. So,

>> four people died and they were patriots. No cop died from the media lied.

>> I think that's the most unpatriotic you could do, but it is very historically American. I mean there I would I would probably put it in the category of J of of the BLM situations where there was the peaceful protests and then there was the rioting and I know I lived right there where there we could see the flames from my door and the tanks rolled into the city. So I know firsthand that there was definitely violence when the sun came down

>> to hang their own vice president

>> and then there was and then the January 6 was a peaceful protest that got out of hand at one point but most of the people that harassed had the door open for them by the police and walked peacefully in. the police are part of them

>> and I so I so I think there's also been other attacks. There was the assassination attempt on Steve Scaliz. There was a couple of assassination attempts on Trump. There was assassination attempt on Justice Kavanaaugh.

>> Um and and Melissa Hortman definitely

>> and as much as I was deeply disturbed by the videos of George Floyd, I cried when I saw it. The fact of the matter is he was a criminal. He had stuck his gun at a pregnant woman's belly. He was taken in for a crime. He was on drugs. That was part of the problem. That's not excusing anything that was excessive. But whereas basically bas basically you guys are saying that because Charlie Kirk said things you don't agree with, it's more justifiable to shoot him at you started out your injure you started out your injection you started out uh your statement with saying that we both we all all as a as a group in totality. I think you're saying you understand the correct me if I'm wrong. We're pushing back on things that are being inaccurately represented. So you cannot say that you see the thing about it is we said out the gate. We do not condone that much to the judgment and push back of of a lot of our own communities. But what we're not sitting up here doing respectfully, which is what I'm hearing from you, I don't want to speak for you because I feel like that's impolite. So, you could tell me if I have it wrong, but it seems as though that you're inferring that the January 6 was just a protest that got out of hand or equating it to and let's be also clear,

>> black people,

>> liberals are not the only ones that rioted after George the entire planet. the entire planet. Think about to come back to the the prompt when you you talk about one side having more political violence, especially historically, the entire planet got tired of the white supremacy political violence that happens in this country and the violence that happens to people. It it's just it is what it is. Why do you think they riot it after this? And and the thing is it says I can sit up here and say I did not agree. I've been on some of the same shows Charlie Kirk was on and I am disgusted what happened to him. I am deeply bothered on a spiritual level. Like I am deeply bothered by that because I don't need someone to die to see them as a human. This is why the rest of the people that are not like me but are like me to your guys' eyes feel the way they do because they are not there. You are right now in real time dehumanizing George Floyd. He that should have never happened to him. That is an a move that most police departments don't even allow because it's lethal. I don't care what he did. Nothing warranted that. And nothing Charlie Kirk said warranted him. I agree with that 100%.

>> That is the problem. And that is why a lot of people who have not done the work on themselves like I have feel the way they do. I I I I completely agree with with what you said there and and I totally agree with that and I like I said I definitely appreciate it and I can tell that you have a really good heart. Um and and I again in no way mean to dehumanize anybody or say that anybody agreed. I was responding to what she had said is

>> a criminal in that situation not George Floyd

>> and Derek Shavein was a criminal in that situation. So that I also agree with. I was responding to what she said. It seemed that she was saying, "I understand people not being upset by the the assassination of Charlie Kirk." There was actually videos on TikToks where they were like dancing and celebrating, and I think that for that to be even understandable is a problem. And it's a problem that the left refers to the right constantly as fascists and Nazis and racists. And that is dehumanizing. And I think there is that level of

>> dehumanization. And I think that that is problematic. But I also think that when people see racist things happening that

>> How do we know that it was about race though? How do we know that that

>> that what was about race?

>> That uh the whole George Floyd was a race thing.

>> I'm not referring to that

>> because did you know that there was a whole Can I Can I finish what I'm saying?

>> In general, I said racist things.

>> Okay, let me finish real quick. Can I refer to that? I've said specifically that example.

>> Okay, let me finish. Let me finish this. Will, this is the problem with the media. They take sound bites and they don't show you the whole thing. Did you ever see the clip that was taken out that you didn't see about George Floyd? Did you see that? Where he was already in the car titling people he couldn't breathe and you see him popping a fentinel. Did you see that?

>> Are you justifying Derek Shavin being on George Floyd's back for 9 minutes?

>> Now there's justifying George Der actually from this question. Can you answer that question? Answer that. I'm trying to but you got to let me finish. You got to let me finish. From this view, it looks like his knee is on his neck. Well, they had the view from this angle and it was actually on the shoulder blade. So, this is what happened in the court. And this is somebody

>> should have been on the shoulder blade for 9 minutes.

>> It was on the shoulder blade. But the thing was

>> wherever it was,

>> he was he was struggling in the car. He was already in the car at a point talking about not being able to breathe.

>> Actually, the way he died was not because of that. He died because he popped fentinol. That was a lie because they want to pit us together. This is a divide and conquer tactic. The media wants to use this. Why don't they ever talk about all these children being butchered in in Chicago from gangs? Why aren't they on the cover of the magazines? Because it doesn't fit the narrative. They want us to be divided. And they do this. They pit people against each other. whites against blacks, gays against heterosexuals, um you know, uh Jews against uh Zionists against uh a uh uh the the uh people in Gaza, Palestinians. It's all divide and conquer. That's why we got to stop allowing the media to divide us and turn it off and read the bills.

>> Read the bills and then you're going to know what to to follow.

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>> hate speech. What does that describe? I guess I'm the oldest one here. Um, grew up in the 60s in the South in Arkansas.

>> Sometimes you don't realize racism is a thing until you leave that thing. um been in LA 25 years and you would think because of all the different races of people that are here, you would think that we would come together not because of the color of our skin. I'm a registered nurse 33 years. I've been called a thousand times by clients at the beginning of the shift, but by the end of the shift, they want to apologize. And I'm still a person. So me hating should that be a okay thing? The the hate starts in our mind then we speak it then we act on it.

>> Is that okay? And from slavery 400 plus years when do we as people stop it? When do we stop it? Uh I I don't want to be in a white neighborhood. Jewish people don't want to live with me. Um, when do we stop it? Because we listening to what we're even saying. We're citing incidents of people dying, people getting hung, all these things, but we as a people, whether we're liberal or conservative, whether we're left or right, is still wrong. When do we can say we Christian, but I'm I'm okay with somebody putting their their knee on a neck and killing them. I'm okay with that. That's not right.

>> I'm not okay with it. I just think the media is lying about it.

>> But we're the media. We're the media, too.

>> Yeah. And that's what I like. They're citizen journalists and and reporters coming out, and I like them. I follow them more than I follow the mainstream, the big pharma funded corporate government run media. He who controls the narrative controls the people. I don't want to be controlled by them. That's why I tell people to read legislation. You want to know what's going on in in your state, read the bills. Go straight to the bills and then decide whether that this is for you or this is for big government, which I don't want. I don't want to live in a communist country. I don't want to live in a tyrannical country. My family fled that. And this same stuff happens in in those countries. They pit people against each other and they pull the strings at the top and we don't need to give them the power.

>> So my question would be and I believe what was your color that you put up just now?

>> I put um because I don't like the definition of hate speech they said they I'll tell you I've been on media real quickly. I I disrupted a drag queen story of time for children because this is my tax money. Don't go and tell children that they're a mistake. I believe that's evil. Okay. You're planting in their head that they are born in the wrong body. How are these kids they're going to be dysfunctional?

>> I'm sorry, I'm I'm going to interrupt you.

>> And so, so they said that what I was spewing out was hate speech in this thing. That's not hateful. That's loving because I believe they were beautifully and wonderfully made by God.

>> You you you're bringing your story and I I realize this is the only perspective you can come from because

>> I I've lived it. So what I was going to ask was the reason why I asked what your what color would be. First of all, hate speech is not defined. There are dog whistles that happen that could be construed as as HP. The reason why I said it should it should be protected is because we as people will come up with a different word to make something else. And guess what? All we're doing is building an 11 foot ladder for a 10-ft wall. So the protection now the other part to it is because it's protected it does not mean that you cannot somewhere in your life in your your personal life your friends whatever suffer consequences for those for that action period. So I believe in the notion of free speech. So my question to you, the reason why I asked that was in that same rhetoric, what do you feel about what happened with Jimmy Kimmel? Because that is a pure pure attack. So I I would ask actually Chelsea, I would ask you to to see that in in a real time unfold and if you look historically what has happened when there's there's an autocracy and you don't like for and and mind you there's so many to blame in this too. It's not just the FCC. This is also Disney, you know, saying, "Guess what? I I I have a deal that's in place. This is much bigger than this." So my question would be, how how how would you say that considering that he has been on the side of criticizing the current administration?

>> I hate the idea of anyone being cancelled. You know, I hate the idea that Trump's, you know, Twitter was banned for so long, right? I think it's almost ironic though that everything happened with Jimmy Kimmel and there's such a rush to defend him like oh my god he was just saying words he should still have this platform and yet the assassination with you know with Kirk like he said things and people hated that and he got shot and people did celebrate that. So there just seems to be a double standard where Jimmy Kimmel should still have his show and be able to say whatever he wants. But then with people on the right, it's like so catastrophic if they say anything or if they speak out in their own way. So I just look back and I'm like there's so much irony here. I don't think people should be killed over things. I don't think they should be canceled over things. I wish that you know there was a late night show where we didn't have to talk about politics where it was really like off the table. Like I want relief from that, you know, like I feel like also like your situation like you were saying like people got to spend more time with you and it suddenly shifted from calling you this word to seeing you as a human. I wish there was more outlets where I could just hear from the humans and I know that involves politics in a way, but I just feel like I've had the most beautiful loving experiences with people without ever having to get into politics and I feel like it gets ruined when that gets put into it. So, in a way, it's like maybe it's bad. I like would rather be a little bit naive and not so like consumed by it because it allows me to still have like an open heart and not not trying to cancel people out and not have them as friends. Like, I've had that toward me. Like, I've always been a very open person. So, when people found out that I did vote as a Republican, at first it was funny to them because I never thought Trump would win, but when he did, it's like I became a real problem to people and I lost a lot of people and they loved me before. And that was tough where one of the biggest issues is with when it comes to the political structure is this voting for self-interests or for what you're considering maybe is your collective set of people. It is difficult I do believe for people to first and foremost vote against their own self-interest despite whatever else might be said. And that person I I remember when Bush was elected the second time and it was these two cute little old ladies were in the airport and they says okay so get off the airplane he wins and she like you know what I didn't vote for him but you know just let them finish their job you know and it was you know we get to a point sometimes there is complacency amongst us and whatever the issue is that's present for you is what's going to take over. I I I don't see how anyone can see past that. So, I can understand voting. I I voted, you know, Republican. I've never voted straight ticket. I will go and look at an issue and see if that's something. And and I always want to caution to to lump everyone. And you see this on any of the stations, the African-American vote, the anything. And that is completely unfair. That again starts to centralize a group that shouldn't be that way anyway because that means that you have to think this way. But we are we are such a a divide that we our listening skills are moot because the best art the part of listening is being able to hear what your person is saying. not already coming with a formulated

>> understanding and being able to understand exactly because that arrow goes both ways. So any response I'm going to have to anyone will be okay I'm understanding what you're saying and I I can agree with points. So what we'll do is conflate like just one big issue well the left did this. The left is not us. You you you take the sound bites because if you say don't take the sound bites you're taking that and

>> I'm not I'm looking at the evidence. I see I look at the I'm not in

>> I actually I actually read I read the transcripts and and it's completely different from what the mainstream media is putting out there.

>> But would you do that even let me let me think your life would be chiller though if like maybe you weren't reading the transcripts and you just I care about truth. I care about my own story.

>> I care about exposing the truth.

>> Okay. So, um, so with Briana Taylor, you know, I was asked what I thought about her, and I said, um, you know, Briana Taylor was a thug and so was her boyfriend. Let me finish. I know that you're getting emotional, but let me finish what I have to say.

>> And I said, where the energy go, the energy flows. And so, don't do it. Now, what you heard in the media is completely different from the actual story. There was a knock warrant, not a no knock warrant. They lied and said no knock warrant. There was a knock warrant. The cops came in. She had a gun like this and they shot her because she had a gun pointing at the cops. We never heard any of that. We heard lies because they want to pit us against each other. Again, this is why you got to look at the transcripts. Okay. The original prompts also. I mean, if if if God, I'm like my mind is jumbled because Okay, quickly on Briana Taylor. I don't even know how we got here. But just quickly on that, if someone I I'm I'm not like a gun toteen, whatever. I don't want them around. I don't like looking at them. They make me uncomfortable. Um, but if traditionally conservatives are fighting for the right to bear arms and someone is breaking down your door and coming into your apartment and they have a gun to protect themselves because they don't know who's coming in,

>> unidentified.

>> Unidentified, then I mean it makes sense. They were not even supposed to be there. That was her fault. 0%.

>> She had a warrant.

>> I feel like because hate speech is so subjective. It's just um it's determined by whoever has the most power. And unfortunately, who has the most power is whoever has the most money. Um and right now that's Trump and his little cronies. Um and so I don't really want anybody to determine uh what someone can say or can't say, but what you what you were saying earlier is you still may have to suffer those consequences. Um because yeah, like what we're talking about with chemical chemical chemical

>> with with Jimmy Kimmel. Um I think it's insane that he was taken off the air. Um but like I still think that like like I I Fox can can stay on and and say their stuff, you know, like I don't agree with a lot of it or whatever, but like they're allowed to have that platform. I think Kimmel should have his platform. Um, and the government should not be policing that.

>> Are you okay with them lying and lying and lying and lying and over and over again? Are you okay with the the media lying to us?

>> What are you talking about?

>> Do you know what Operation Mockingbird Media is?

>> No.

>> Our government is our media. It's literally propaganda.

>> I know.

>> And they are lying about things. Jimmy Kimmel knew what actually happened and he blatantly lied to the public.

>> I'm not gonna talk about Jimmy Kimmel because I don't know what happened. But um

>> and I applaud you for saying that. No, I'm Let me say something. I'm going to tell you why that is so important because if you if I you don't have an opinion about something, if you don't know enough information, why is your voice being prevalent on an issue? How many times have we seen people say, "Guess what? Well, you know what? I hadn't read that part yet." That is what frustrates me more than anything and that comes from everyone. We are trying to have a voice when you do not deserve one on a particular platform.

If I come up here and you're talking about something, I will sit back because I I don't know what it is that you're talking about and I cannot I cannot push forward something I think would be intelligible if I do not have an iota. So I truly applaud you for saying that.

So look at me. Um yeah, thank you. Um, yeah. So, I just I won't discuss that point, but I can't think and I I don't know if I misinterpreted the prompt. I don't think that hate speech is something that should be protected, as in I don't think it's something that should be enabled um at all. I cannot think of a single reason why it would be productive to allow people to to um commit hate speech. I understand the problem in that it's difficult to define and like that's a thing, but I don't think that should stop us. um the law doesn't exist to allow us to do whatever we want and we do look at what is productive for society and I can't conceptualize how allowing people to perpetuate bigotry is productive in any any context and that is how we allow certain narratives to get so far that political violence can happen that genocides can happen that violence towards particular groups can happen is because we don't police it sounds woke And it sounds maybe because I'm Gen Z, maybe because I'm the youngest person here, whatever that I'm I'm I'm totally fine with saying you can't say that because that's that's what my generation does. But um I it sounds annoying, but no, like we actually do need to nip it in the bud and say, "Yeah, no." Like saying that slur is a problem. Don't say that because it leads to that thing. Yeah. No, don't say this negative thing about this group of people. It's a problem because it leads to to these things. And like maybe that's what they're doing in Europe. They're doing that in Europe and they're arresting people for silently praying at abortion clinics. Do you want to get to that point?

No, I think that's not what I'm arguing. I think one of the the issues is who defines who defines what hate speech is and then who gets to police it? Because I think the really it's the government that has the greatest monopoly on violence. And what you really don't want is the government policing and controlling speech. That's when you really do get totalitarian governments. Um and I I think you know I appreciate you all you guys that you know also believe in free speech and I I think that um you know free speech is really the way to stop violence because violence comes when you can't speak and when you can't express yourself. So free free speech is um the ability to express oneself in regards to one's beliefs or your organization's beliefs, uh social issues, uh things of that nature, right? Hate speech has like five main points. I'm going to point out two of them as we're going to move on. One of the most pressing ones and I think that we're seeing today is imminent intent of lawlessness, immense lawlessness.

So some people might say, you know, and I'm just using this as an example. I don't like I'm not going to debate this with y'all, but like some people might say January 6 happened, what they were trying to do, and I'm not even going to say some people. I'm going to give a very realistic example so we can move on. The reason that there was court proceedings about that with Donald Trump and everything is because people were saying I'm not saying I'm not going to get into it. People are saying that he was inciting that to happen. That's what people are saying. So I'm whether you believe it or not. I'm just trying to give that as a example. You know people have said that on the right as far as things that happened with George Floyd that oh this is inciting this right. So there's an element of like you know saying I don't like someone or saying that because someone was murdered you feel a certain way. I don't agree with that. I think it's very when it comes to vulgarity and like celebrating murder, right? But that's different than calling someone to do harm. But then there's like to your point, there's the issue because where do you draw the line? The second thing is targeted uh I don't know if it sounds targeted attacks, but it's it's targeted speech. So that means you're targeting a certain group like you know down with the if someone says down with the Jews or this this community or that that's targeted. So that's a little bit different. It's it's very unfortunate to me that us as Americans that we don't have the human decency to figure that out. But one thing I think we do agree on is that it should not be policed by our government. That is dangerous.

Yes. Very I agree.

And the next prompt is white privilege is a real and present force in America. This is one of those set.

Yeah.

Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to be a bridge right now. Um so this is this is my thought. Um and I just want to insert real quick. I don't think Charlie was shot for political violence. I don't put it in that category. Um I'm a follower of Jesus. I think that he was shot for proclaiming the gospel of Jesus Christ. That's that is my opinion. So I just want to I think we're in a spiritual war. That's that's my opinion.

So you think it's like religious?

Huh?

It was like a religious violent?

I think there are I think we can all contend be it George Floyd, be it Charlie Kirk, whatever. I think we can all contend that there's evil.

I agree with that. I think there's evil that are greater than anything red or blue. And I think a lot of people aren't ready to have that conversation. I think foreign affairs have a lot to do with it as to how you categorize whatever. I don't look at Charlie Kirk's death and go, "Wow, he was politically assassinated."

That's not your interpretation.

That's not my interpret.

How do you interpret it?

I interpret it as that we are told. I mean, Christ was killed because of what he was saying. The same the Jews killed killed Christ. So he was being disruptive and he was saying he was basically a truthteller and was killed for telling the gospel because ultimately I believe I believe my foundation and my fundamental level that I'm going to derive even my beliefs from even what I'm I want to answer what the question was too but I just wanted to insert that because

you have an interpretation that's not rooted like people need to be religious in order to understand what you're saying like do you just have like a

well I think we're in a battle between good and evil that's what I think I've seen evil at my door um I've got for the sake of time I have you know I I'm not going to sit here and tell you my life story. Um but yeah but you know there is a lot of evil be it George Floyd be it Charlie's assassination and I think that there is a unifying factor that there is good and there's evil now that obviously goes into okay well what do you define as evil and what do you define as good and all the things right so my fundamental level of that comes from biblically speaking that's where I go to find my grounding and what I defined as good and evil so I'm always going to have if someone's not biblically living their life, we're not going to agree because we're living by two different moral standards and that's fine. I'm like, okay, that's great, but don't don't tell me how to live my life and I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. So, that's that's kind of my thing. This is what I think about white privilege is that I do believe I do believe because of black history in America, there is generational stuff that has had you that the black community has had to overcome that the white community has not. Okay. So, I want to start there. And I think and I believe that there are things and roads that have they're just harder. They're harder to overcome. If I if my parents were divorced, I have I am at a disadvantage now to stay married. And guess what? My parents were divorced. I got divorced. I And this is again I'm going to go to a spiritual aspect, okay? Is the sense that there is generational stuff that each one of us like if I sat down and had coffee with each one and everybody, we could probably have a really nice chat about, hey, how did you grow up? Like where did you grow up? What's your family dynamic like? And you know, I've worked in recovery groups for a long time and things like that with the crazy spectrum of people from all different backgrounds, okay? Um, but again, I derive my foundation of that my goal is to make heaven crowded. And I truly believe Jesus is the only way, the truth, and the life. And so, I'm always going to come at it from that angle. Now, in saying that, there is a really real overcoming that the black community had to do. I'm just sorry that that is the reality. It's a dark piece of history in America and be from the Jim Crow laws all the way to the Civil War, everything. I mean, black code before they came up with Jim Crow laws and all those things that that is a dark part of the black community that is ingrained in your guys's history generationally. So, there's mentalities, there's abuse, there's things that you guys probably were passed down in your guys' line that weren't passed down in my line. And so I can acknowledge that. Now I would also come from the standpoint of that once we become Christian and once we meet Jesus, we become new in him and he can give us newness and he can break what we have been through and what we've come come from. And so my stance will always be to lift people up to a place of equaleness. that that is my that is my personal personal way that I operate in my life. I have I have people all over my life from all spectrums. You know, I just spoke at a gay man's house a couple months ago because I was invited there to, you know, I I'm all over the spectrum. So, that's why I say, you know, I'm I'm not in a box, I guess, conservatively because I, you know, my ex-husband, his parents came illegally to this country, so my kids are half Salvadorian. So, I have this kind of I'm a kind of a mut, like a conservative mut where I think a lot of things need reform. I don't like a lot of the stuff in the police department. I'm I am all for I I think that we need to have a strong like, you know, police and all those things, but there needs to be reform. There's some really crappy cops out there. And so, I'd like to to say one thing. We are sitting with the understanding that there will ever be equality. Now, when I say that, I'm not saying that just purely from a race perspective. And when we talk about privilege, privilege exists amongst everyone. What tends to be more prevalent is the privilege you see that white Americans would have if you're looking at, you know, from the lens of of of someone else. And that's that's all we can ask, right? So, you look through it. My question, the question was I think currently right now currently right now currently I do not think it is currently in 2025. Now, as I said, where I come from, I can acknowledge that there is a really dark history that the black culture has had to overcome that I just I didn't.

I also I also want to say that that everyone has to overcome that because that is that is America. Right. That's not just because that's the Democrat party.

You're you're

that was the Democrat party. KKK, Jim Crow law, slavery was all the Democrat party.

Okay. Again, the senior citizen from the south.

I went to private schools. They had the black Catholic school and they had the white Catholic school. The one tuition was one price for the black kids. One tuition was one price for the white kids. And now 60 years later, what has changed? We had we still have things. I'm a registered nurse again. But I've had the worst clients with a bachelor's degree in nursing. Worst clients with less pay. I had to orient and they're Christian in me. Orient and help white nurses, Hispanic nurses that didn't speak English, Filipino nurses that didn't speak English. I got paid less. So, if we talk about money and white privilege, um, how am I not the supervisor, but I have to train you to be the supervisor?

But also, is it judging us by our skin color? If you say white privilege, you're assuming because I have lighter skin that I I I just head it so easy.

That's actually not what the assumption is. The the the It's not even an assumption. You just haven't had to go through these any of these hardships because of your skin color.

How do you know that? I came from Iran. I came from fleeing the whiteass. And and by the way, my my halfs sister who lives there, she never plays the victim card even though she's And let me let me finish. There's women that can't do the things that we do in this country. And and the thing to me, I believe it's a scop. If you're saying someone has white privilege, what are you saying about people that have darker skin that they're beneath you? That's called to me that's called white supremacy. That's called white supremacy.

If I can if I can cuz like it it even goes beyond not being that deep. Like of course we all know black men are killed disproportionately than white men by police and then they're murderers.

That's they they do 60% of the crime. That's a statistic.

Please let me speak. I've spoken for like 20 minutes. I've spoken for like two.

There is deep stuff like that. There is real stuff. Um communities that are like still trying to get their families out of the trenches because of redlining and like you said different um tuitions and unequal pay and stuff like that. But then there's even stuff like they just now started making band-aids on our skin color. Like it it it's even as like simple as that. Band bandages were made to match your skin tone. For so long, nude was only in your skin tone. Only just now am I wearing a bra underneath this that is closer to my skin tone, but this came out in a a lingerie line that came out in the last 10 years.

But that's a corporation. That's not government.

No, but you should tell the corporation we would love to have it in our skin.

Reflective of the larger society.

Um it feels like irrelevant and dumb that I'm like saying this now by itself. But just along with like bandages, but there's also like makeup lines. It was really hard. My mom when she was learning how to contour her face, we had to use black eyeshadow cuz there was no there was nothing in her skin tone um at all like her foundation. And then one time I ordered makeup online and my skin tone and they gave me a sample and it was like the lightest sample they had. It's like they weren't even considering that maybe the person who was ordering this wasn't white. And then if you go on set somewhere, the uh the black hair stylist and black makeup artists are always expected to be able to handle everybody. They do everybody's hair. They do everybody's makeup. But white hair stylists have done some crazy [ __ ] to my hair. Crazy [ __ ] And and said things like, "Oh, I've never worked with this kind of texture before." Even though they're the professional hireer to be on set that day. We're expected to do it all. I will say I think there's like a privilege. I know that sounds crazy to being, you know, having to do more than us and having gone through so much. I think that we've heard a lot about spirituality, but I feel like because you guys have gone through so much, there's like an enlightenment to you. I always feel such a draw and just so seen in a way that I don't feel as much with white people, I would say. So, I mean, I will just say that I feel like you guys are magnets and and I hope that your voice gets heard more because I think that there has been a lot of trauma of just invisibility and your way of rising through it and still being survivors and stuff. Um, I don't know. I've always felt like it's been super special and I'm so thankful for the relationships that I've had.

[ __ ] Not the bridge being built.

Not the bridge.

I will never forget. Let me just say when I was younger, I will never forget looking over as a young kid and seeing a black man get out of a Mercedes and something I was like that's success. And there was just always that that vision. I know I know it doesn't have to be like a superficial symbol, but there was just something implanted in me as a young kid. And um I I had a buzz head when I was young and I felt um like I I think I've allowed myself to see that like having shorter hair as a female like I haven't seen myself a lot on um you know in the media and I've heard that be a complaint of a lot of other people of not feeling that represented. Um so I think kind of feeling othered a lot in my own world in just a small way had made me feel like a kinship. And so, um, I think that while there's privilege to being white, I feel like there's another privilege that doesn't get spoken about of actually having to suffer because those are the people that really knows how to like have resilience and rise up and actually listen and just thrive. So,

I know that we were just celebrating the bridge you made, and I don't want to tear it down, but I think I had a different response seemingly than the rest of the room to that. I know that you mean well by that, and I can see that you're very genuine. I have a really hard time sitting with the idea that the significant trauma that the black community has experienced in this country is has made us enlightened and that there's like this beautiful spiritual quality that it's given us because I think it looks it feels and maybe I'm just speaking to the way that's landed for myself like a huge bypassing of how genuinely traumatic that is to be like well look at you like you're you're you're radiant now. I'm not saying that I'm saying that like you've been through something whereas like we're over here and we can Who knows if how much we've even been through.

Yeah. And like I I'm not

But you've also rolled your eyes at so many people that have been speaking. So I don't know if that's your

I mean a lot of really insane things have been said. Um

I don't know if that's your immediate response is just to roll your eyes. I don't might not have the best like language with it, but I know that like on a soul level like I feel I I have a lot of awe and respect

and I appreciate that a lot. Um,

take it where you can get it.

Yeah, I I I appreciate that. I all I'm saying is this idea that somehow having endured what the black community has endured in this country and um coming out the other end barely surviving there are people right now who are not surviving that that's somehow a privilege is ludicrous and like I don't maybe maybe I completely what you said completely landed wrong with me but that's how I took all of that and that's that's all that's

there is no historical educational context to this conversation although I appreciate everything every single person has attributed I genuinely do hear about the topic. This is systematic, which means you as individual people may totally not be doing anything at all to perpetuate this. It just is. I have certain privileges. Everybody here has certain privileges. This is systematic. For black women are four times more likely to die with anything related to do with maternity. You know what I mean? Like this is systemic.

Explain that. this and then also too which I really appreciate you bringing up and I'm going to connect it which I'm really appreciate you bringing up about I'm going to tell you earlier when you said the stuff about like reconstruction and black codes and Jim Crow right like you were saying all those things a lot of that stuff my sister is also a nurse so like let's say medical documentation for an example like this is a this is a a little bit of an example right it'll say like um for a white patient sometimes more often than not by studies in the field it'll say um this patient you know um expressed that they had, you know, pain and they were very agitated because they were in so much pain. For a black patient, it might it will it'll say more often than not this person was um aggressive or like med seeking, we need, you know what I mean? It's like there's always a suspicion because that comes from another lineage. So just as there was so much trauma passed on with us, which thank you for acknowledging it's true, there was a lot of other stuff passed on to a lot of other people and that's why we have people marching in the streets chanting that same rhetoric in 2025. And so I think there's this misconception that like if we acknowledge white privilege exists, I'm actually I went viral for saying that when I was on another platform and they asked me five years ago, do white people experience racism? And I said no because in context which we don't know and we're not taught. So I'm not mad at anybody here because as a teacher I realize the fundamental thing is that we don't know our own history as Americans race aside. And maybe if we did we can actually get past race and deal with the issues that are affecting all of us like classism and foreign entities and to your point people at the top controlling these narratives and all this other stuff. But I'm not I going to stop cuz I could go on forever. But as a teacher and just as a human being, the fact that there's no systemic fundamental basis to anything that we're saying when we talk about the nuance of of white privilege because it was built into to systems, the whole idea of race was a construct. There's only one race. That's the human race. Correct. There are black people that will hear that and get so pissed off at me for saying that. But that is the truth.

That's what we got to get back to.

Racism is not about blackness. Racism about is about whiteness because when slavery happened, there were native Indians. There were poor whites and there were slaves and they were all not too far from the the same hardships. So people that were wealthy just like now were like, "We got to find a way to separate these people." So they told poor white people, "Well, you know what? You might be poor, but at least you're not a at least you're not black." You know, and I'm using that language intentionally. So all of that was put into policies to make to to what we see today. So, it's just a, you know, I understand what you're saying about the band-aids and the hair, and it's real. Shout out to Fenty, but

it's a Fenty bra.

I love it.

I love it.

But couldn't that be also because of um the population rather than the the color of your skin? Could it be like, oh, we're, you know, we're learning how to do hair for Let me Let me finish. Let me let me finish what I'm Yeah, let me finish what I'm saying. Can I can I finish my thought, please? So we're looking at the population, the black community is 13%. So when people are learning to do hair, maybe it's has nothing to do with just because you're black. It it has to do with people are learning how to do the majority of the the population. True. But I'm just saying that it could be this is what I'm saying. But we see everything in color. And and when I've gone to board meetings, this is what bothers me. I go to a schoolboard meeting and they, you know, they talk about white privilege and this. So, you're telling my child who's never been a part of, uh, you know, Jim Crow law, uh, racism, any of this, that she's an oppressor and that black kids are oppressed. I believe both of them are evil. And I'll tell you why. Number one, how do you keep a person down? You tell them they're a victim and there's no way of rising up. And I think that's a scop. I think that's psychological warfare. black.

Yeah. Let me finish. I think that's a psychological warfare against the black kids and I think it's also a psychological warfare against white kids cuz they're they have to feel shame and guilt of something that they've never been a part of and it's a divide. Now they're pitting white kids against black kids. That's wrong because again as a Christian we believe there is no such thing as race. We believe we are all in the image of God. That's why it upsets me because it is divisive.

But you see how I'm the one that interjected that. So I believe that as history because historically that's what happened. But to say racism was not a construct that came and was implemented and imposed to validate segregation Jim Crow.

Oh, I think it's awesome.

The reconstruction I'm totally against the racist.

I'd like to jump into Okay. So first of all, this was a tough question for me to answer. Um, I ended up answering no, white privilege is not an issue right now. But that was hard because certainly through the vast majority of American history, white privilege has definitely been an issue and worse than white privilege. You know, slavery and Jim Crow was I think and and what happened to the Cherokees and Native was the darkest chapter of our country's history. and my grandparents are from Arkansas and my grandma participated in a civil rights movement and I 100% know that that happened and I'm so sorry that that's still happening to you. That's so completely wrong. Um I one of the things I just wanted to bring up is because my dad's an immigrant. So my dad is Greek from Istanul, Turkey. So he went through um the same thing where both sides of his family had their property taken away by the Turks. They were beaten up on the way to school. Um he was not they did have a Greek school but it was controlled by the Turkish military um and they were forcibly drafted. Um my my brother-in-law is Greek from Cyprus. So his mother had the Turks came in during that war and took they were on vacation in Athens. They took their house. Um they put her father in prison because he was the mayor. They were not even allowed to go back and get their property. They had to flee to America. And I live in Glendale which is a large contingent of Armenians who live through the Armenian genocide. So their their grandparents just were massacred. It was I mean it was even worse than what the Greeks went through. Um our neighbors had to flee with nothing from the Yugoslavian civil war. So I I think where I'm going with that is that there's there's 100% no denying the incredible hardships that the black community has overcome. And and and I and I I agree with where you're coming from that we shouldn't pretty that up. I want to make a point that I was raised really colorblind and actually the George Floyd thing was helpful for me because I did start to hear more about what the black community was going through and feeling and I really appreciated that and it sometimes it was hard to hear but I it was good for me to hear. Um and so but I also know that there are other groups that have gone through really horrible things um and have come right out of it. husband's boss um his mother lo both of her parents died in the concentration camps and she was just saved as a child and brought in. It was completely messed up and he had a really difficult childhood because of it. So I think that I I would say the reason I went with no and like I said it was that was a tough choice for me but in 2025 I feel that we're a country where there's many groups that have had a tough history and that at this point in time there is overall equal opportunities. It's always difficult to be in the minority, but I don't know how much things can be distinguished between the difficulty of being the minority and then overt racism. Um, and I don't I don't feel at this point that there's anything I could do that you guys couldn't do. And that's ultimately why I made that choice.

Uh, yeah. I mean, with what just with what you were ending with that we're capable of doing the same things you're capable of doing. I do think that's true. But being in a position where I can even think to reflect on what other people are doing and know that I have that access to it is within itself a privilege. I grew up I went to one of the best school districts in California. I took college readiness courses like very young. I was very much prepped for this life where I knew I was going to be able to go to a university. I knew I was going to be able to get a good job. I knew I was going to have all of these life um prospects that a lot of people that are in predominantly black areas where they don't have access to those things where the schools are not being funded well don't have those opportunities. And so much of that was because I had immense proximity to white people. I only knew white people for the vast majority of my life because those are the communities that I was in. And that's what we give to white people. So, I can even only think that I can do the things that you can do like go to college, like buy a house, like do all these things because of a proximity to whiteness that I had that a lot of black people obviously don't have and should and that shouldn't need to be the case in order for us to have those privileges.

And the next prompt is, I do not trust law enforcement to treat all people fairly.

Well, I was arrested. I went to a parents rights rally and I put no and I was arrested for exercising my first amendment rights. But I feel like it's a form of bigotry to say that all cops are bad because there are a lot of good cops. I live in the city of Beverly Hills and they've kept us protected from the far radical left that are violent. Um but it but when I was downtown LA fighting for my right as a parent um I was I mean really illegally um apprehended and taken to the Metropolitan Detention Center. So there are bad cops or they're doing what they are told to do by the communist excommunist mayor Constantine Anthony. And I said why am I being arrested? He said failure to disperse. So, here's another example where it could be weaponized, too. But I'm still not going to put a a brushstroke over all cops. There's a lot of amazing people in law enforcement, and if we do a brushstroke over all of them, that is a form of bigotry, and that is wrong.

Your feeling about something is your feeling. First, I want you to walk in some, paint yourself black and nap your hair for a day and do an experiment. I was going to my own apartment where I live and pay rent. I pulled into my stall. A policeman behind me said I looked like a man with these looked like a man that they were looking for in the same type of car that I was driving. He put his hand on his gun. I said, "I live here.

Don't ask me what you did.

No, I cannot trust a policeman to do the right thing.

And you felt like that was racially motivated.

I I'm Yes. Racially and sexily. These boobs don't look like anybody's man.

Context a lot of the and a lot of

I'm just curious on the black side. How have you raised your hand if you've ever had a situation like with the police where like that like you were had to prove why you were somewhere or they just thought that you were doing something nefarious or it was just something unwarranted. Have you guys had that happen?

So the thing is is like um I'm just sharing this bridge with you for context. Right. Unfortunately more often than not in the black community, right? People look at me, they think I have a lot of privileges, whatever. And I do have a lot of privileges. But like, no matter what part of the diaspora you are in the black community in this country, more often than not, you have been wrongfully policed, interrogated, or accused, you know, and I saw my mother go through that as a single mom with two kids who was just working minding her business. You know, it's a lot of what we see now with different communities, with other things that are going on. So, that's a lot of where we have this context. But I also will say a lot of it again has to go back with history and the way they're taught. And of course all police officers are not bad. How do I know this? Because the LAPD hired me to train their cadets about this issue because they realize everyone is not treated fairly.

What I was trying to say is this is not a position where you do not bring in your own bias. Period. So I do not believe all police are bad. Not even remotely.

Nor do I. I al we also have to understand how policing was formed. Um if you have unconscious biases that you don't even realize you have. Uh there's this funny skit that I saw on on on your social media platform as to you know like when a woman gets into an elevator then a black guy gets in. And what happened to me and I I this is funny. Yeah. I So I've never personally I've never had an encounter with police that I didn't think I've rarely had encounters with the police, but that I didn't think was was positive. I don't think that has anything to do with my race. I think it has to do with me.

I I I I do honestly believe because I've been told this, there's someone who probably could transcend race where it's not necessarily that prevalent despite skin tone and everything, it's probably me. So with that, my experiences have been very, very different. I grew up in in LA. I've lived in Houston, New York. I've lived in Miami. I've lived in Las Vegas. But that's just I attribute that to me as a person. But it is difficult for people to not bring in biases regardless. This woman tells me and I am I'm bald. So from afar, I I guess I have an androgynous look, but she hits the elevator. She's getting in and she looks back and she looks at me again. And then I can tell that she relaxes and she tells me in the elevator

like she thought she you were a man,

right?

Okay. But what what she said was that I've been and I think she just wanted to give me an explanation which is why she was and she says it's because I personally don't get on an elevator with a man alone and my funny was that I'm totally not a man like I said but the ball thing throws people off but and I understood that someone else could have taken that in a way that could have very well been very different but we all have these biases and we cannot expect for a police officer to shed anything that he any experience he brings to that job. Shed that then put this policing uniform on and do that where everybody looks the same outside of some goggles that just makes people look like people. There's no way for and that that goes both ways. Exact. That would actually be kind of cool. But we have to realize that. So there are people who get into policing probably for the ability to be able to exert control over the other.

So policing itself is the issue. But we have to realize that that does not turn off the human part of people and they will bring in what they bring in their their understanding of what they did yesterday or who they saw yesterday. And we can't really because if I was in that same position I might do the same thing. Who knows? But we have to understand that that is just uh that is the the kind of the floor plan the floor for policing. You do bring this in, you do look at something with a suspicious eye and everything that you've gone through and if we don't understand what we've gone through then this will be a continuation of that.

So I have in regard to policing like I feel like I have experienced both very dramatic ends of the pendulum. Um, I had a really traumatic situation when I was young in eighth grade. We had someone break into our home, raped my mom, tried to kill her and my little brother. Like totally, I say it nonchalantly, but it was it was absolutely terrible. Police are the ones who came in and saved my mother's life. And so I have and I and I tell it to the that's really dramatic. Like that's not everyone's experience, right? But I had I my mom's alive. my little brother is alive because police came in, they found the man. He was tried. Like the whole thing like that was a good example of law enforcement doing their job, acting appropriately. My taxpayers went to save my paying dollars went to save my mother's life kind of a thing, right? Then I really had a really big problem with the police during COVID. I feel like we were living in a police state during COVID and I'm like I really don't like this because like again there was a complete break from the constitution with police during CO and I thought that was really scary and so I say that and that's why I did green because I do not think that there can be this broad stroke because people do now I have a police family. I have a brother-in-law who is a police officer in LA. And so I know that there is good policemen out there. Um he's Asian, but so but I don't know why I feel like I need to say that.

That's the only cop I know too.

Maybe it's a thing.

So but I just I know there's good cops out there. My brother-in-law is a good guy and I know he's fair and he's just and um but there's some there. So that's why I couldn't I had to go green because I'm like yeah that's just stupid. There's good doctors. There's bad doctors. There's good police. There's bad police. There's So I'm like I would I I'm like the kind of person who's like I would like to sit with you. Let's have a cup of coffee and let's let's talk. Let's talk. Let's bridge. Right. And so um anyway, so that's my that's my take on the police thing is that I do think that there is some areas that need some massive reform. That's my opinion. I think there's a lot of training issues. Um, cool that you got brought on and got to do some training. Um, but I also do not think that cops are inherently bad either.

And the last prompt is Christian values should guide America's laws.

This is a halfway and I agree.

I don't know. Oh, I mean, I just don't think that everyone seems to be able to relate to Christianity, so it's hard to assume that the population would be able to live under that direction. Um, you know, I don't consider myself Christian. It's not why I'm conservative, but I do like feeling connected to a higher power.

I like to feel like, you know, The Truman Show changed my life. When I was nine, I always felt like someone could be watching, so I better live with integrity. Um, you know, the stories in the Bible are stories. I can't recite any of them to you. So, I don't know. Like, it just doesn't I can't It sounds nice that we live by values. I think that rules, even though I I don't always love following rules, I do think it's nice to have a a society with rules. Um, and to have some order and that we all have principle in our life. But I can't imagine if so many people are getting away from religion that enforcing people to live like that would be good either. So

um I grew up I I I agree with you. Um I grew up Christian and then left the church when I was 21 22 so about seven or eight years ago. Um and my experience being Christian versus after is like night and day. I didn't realize how trapped I felt and I had so much shame in my body and fear. Um I was just so taken out of the moment. And I mean it could be, you know, the church I went to, that's what my mom says. She's like, you know, like find a different church. But um I think at the core, like if you boil it all down, what's left is, you know, treat people with love and you know, thou shalt not kill, lie, steal, all of that. Like obviously I agree with like 100%. But I think it's when people distort it and then try to control other people's bodies or like um telling you that you know only this is the only type of love that should exist. This is who you should marry. Should should should should. So I deal with my own shoulds. I deal with my parents shoulds and then religions and then uh teachers when you're growing up there's just always like you should be this way should be that way. But I just want to live authentically myself without harming anybody. Um, whatever feels good. And if it means dressing up in drag and it's not harming anybody and that's what makes you feel free and hot and sexy, who cares? And tell me where in the Bible that you can't dress up in drag. But like that that don't hurt anybody, don't harm anybody. Let people live their truth.

There's a difference between uh you doing you and then forcing us to to call you by something we know you're not. So that's you. I I have no problem with an adult dressing the way they want to dress. What I have a problem is when you force me to use a pronoun which is not goes by my religion. But then you stop because now you're forcing someone. Oh, you're say they're saying that we're being, you know, homophobic or whatever because I don't want to call you a he if you're a she because I'm I I'm told not to lie. So it is a lie to me. And so that's where I have the problem is when you're forcing your ideology and and getting mad because I won't call you, you know, something that I know that you're not. That's that's where I want to draw the line.

Did you not stop the story time? It seems like you do

because it's my tax for children because it's my tax money and I have a right to to say where I want my tax money to go. And to me, I think it's very evil to put this in children's heads that they're a mistake. But how? But that's not telling anybody there's a mistake. What is evil about that? You don't have to go to the story time.

Honey, I had Chloe Cole.

That's crazy.

What?

That's an endearment. See, that's another thing. See, you're trying to control my speech. Let me finish. Let me finish. What did she say? I didn't I said honey. I I just And she said, "Don't call me honey." So, again, you're controlling me. This is

Another control thing. I'm not controlling the way you, you know, exercise your freedom of speech. I don't want to be controlled by the left. I get to speak the way. Honey is an endearment. It's something I call my daughter. So, you should take that as a compliment rather than >> should. I don't want your shoods. Anyway, because you've been taught that way. So, this is brainwashing.

The 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 54 were Christians. This is why we have the longest standing constitution because the foundation is a Judeo-Christian values. We need to know what works and doesn't work. This works, but we have to go by it. That's why slavery was wrong because it's not loving thy neighbor as thyself. Um murder is wrong and all of these uh fundamental morals is because it actually protects us all. And God does give us a choice. We're not supposed to be um uh you know a one religion uh country. That's what happened in other countries with with uh Catholicism. We we get to choose and God gives that uh ability for us to choose. That's why he allowed Cain to live because you can choose evil too. He's allowing it.

>> So our basis should be spirituality and not religion. Because when you say Christian, you know, views, what we're what that is implying to me is some indoctrination as to the religion you should have. The thing is what religion what what religion is is a second set of rules. So if you're just out here walling out and you don't want to at least you believe that you have some moral connection, right? Because that's what it is. Humanity is about us connecting with each other. It doesn't matter how you praise whoever you know brought you here. It becomes these core tenants of who we should be. So I know the heart of me is not wanting to harm someone else. There is even in any Bible or anything that tells me that killing would be okay. I would know morally that that would be wrong. So it is just another set of tenants outside of the rules that you know we have that are established for this land in order for us to live by or at least to allow our moral code to be there. So that's what we should be listening to rather than saying you know so it's not just Christians who are >> Yeah. But all your morals that you just said are in the Bible >> but it's not just in the Bible is what I'm saying. So if you're just saying you're only taking it from this one space there lies the problem. But if we're saying that our morality is letting us, you know, be our guide in addition to this rules, these subsets that we have, that's the important part. It does doesn't have to be Christian. There's not there's not spiritual books around here all teaching hate outside of Christianity. A lot of people fall.

>> Go back to the question. So the Constitution, we're a constitutional republic. We have democratic processes, but we are a constitutional republic. The constitution was made in essence for a Christian people. That is why we're having such a divide right now because not everybody's Christian, right? So you have people. So the constitution it says you can keep your republic as long as you have a moral people. So and where did we derive the morality from? It's from scripture. So the whole constitution is derived. So if you go through Exodus, that's where we get the executive branch, the legislative branch. All of the way that our government is constructed comes from Exodus. It comes from when Moses went up on the mountain came down and they basically got these constraints from the Lord. That is what the United States Constitution is based off of. So the to stay in in concise with the question, yes, like if we want to keep a constitutional republic, it is designed for a Christian and a biblicalbased people. Now when we pull away from Christianity, there's going to be a contention there. Why? because you're trying to it's it's a constitution and we have the longest constitution in the entire world.

>> Can we just agree though like and get rid of all these like boxes? Cuz I'm a believer, right? I'm a follower. I grew up Christian. You could say the non-denominational. >> What's the box that you're wanting to do? >> I'm going to tell you the boxes is that like even as a believer, would I love for everybody to follow Jesus? Yes, absolutely. We're supposed to make disciples out of people, but that's their choice, right? God gives us free will. He wakes me up every day with his grace and glory and gives me free will. What do I look like as a human? Not extending that to someone else. But you know what? I should be extending human decency. American values to your point that you just summed up already reflect Christian values. And there and the thing is if you don't like the term Christian values, yes, the government should not be imposing that on anybody. That's my opinion. Period. No matter who's in office. Period. If that was done democratically, that's wrong. That was done on the conservative side, that's wrong. our American values, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, treat people equally, all of these things. We don't need to quantify being civilized. Don't murder people that don't agree with you. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I'm not saying, let me put that disclaimer out there because I know that'll be a soundp. I'm not saying that anybody on the left or anybody did that. I'm just saying common sense. Don't, you know, love thy neighbor. You know what I'm saying? These are

>> just to answer the question though. I just I just feel like the question in itself, which I understand, we get it, is is is innately divisive because the reality is we're all arguing the same point. Does anybody here want people to be murdered in America? >> No. >> No. Does anybody want to get stole from? Anybody about to leave here and go steal? No. So, we just need to get back to human decenc. The boxes is everything that separates us from what we actually do agree on. So the you I don't remember even how it was it was preference um American laws or liberties or what was it values values right Christian values >> the things is that like take the Christian label off I'm saying it's as a Christian because at the end of the day if we want to keep it so 100 >> Christianity was created after Jesus you see what I'm saying so take that off of it what Jesus want us to do is to treat each other as brother and sister so all of these boxes democ Democrat, Republican, all of that. Even the race thing, like I'm so big on it and I have spoke relentlessly every time. I felt like something was being misrepresented racially. However, even with that, our biggest thing is a class thing that is making everybody struggle and making and it's so divisive and there's a very few people that are benefiting from it. And if we cannot get past that, there is no America. We need to treat each other with human decency. If I see somebody murdered, I'm going to be bothered. I don't care what their politics are because they're a human. They're God's child and they're American.

>> Um, I learned that I am capable of having a conversation with people I disagree with. I mean, even here, you know, our stances are different. And that's something I've really been working on. And it's it's really hard for me to not like get mad and like hate the person for disagreeing even if they don't like the same restaurant as me. I'm like, idiot. You know, like why wouldn't you like that? all garden slaps or something. But um yeah, I'm capable and I'm proud of myself and um I appreciate you guys participating. >> Wonderful. Wonderful. >> I totally had an amazing time. I wish we could all go out and sit and eat together >> and we've learned so much just differences of each other and like you said, it's okay to be different. It's okay to disagree and we don't have to be mad at each other. But I love these shoes. And if your voice is so soothing to go to bed to that, you know, if nobody else does, if we think take away all the good things that we've learned from this. >> That's true. >> And take it to other people. >> Absolutely. >> It's okay to be different.

>> I I mentioned this earlier. There's a gentleman I travel a lot for work and he said, um, you know, how many lives do you think you've improved today? And you I was being very just, you know, generous with myself. I'm like, you maybe a few. And he's like, listen, once you you're putting good energy into the world, imagine you saying that to someone, someone else taking that energy and pushing it out. So, I think when we continue to do that, we are affecting billions of lives just by virtue of pushing something good forward rather than rehearsing it, we release it, and then we say, "What's next?" And that is just the art of conversation. That's the art of moving things forward. We can stir about [ __ ] that has happened. >> What is it going to do for us? Nothing. Because you know what there's going to be bridges that will never be met you know however the bridge forward should be what is what is my responsibility as a person in this ecosystem what is my responsibility to you and I believe mine is to just put good energy out there.

>> Yes. Um, I I think so I work in politics and I really enjoyed this and loved this because I think what it showed me is that maybe there are political issues that we're never going to agree on, but relationally and as people we can really connect and and you know, agree or agree to disagree. Um, and I love that and I I feel like I'm going to take that back into my work and I really appreciate everybody's opinions. Thank you so much. >> Awesome. Woo! [Music] Heat. [Music]