Daytona NRBE 2025 Recap w/ Brett Towers | Audience, Vendors & Market Talk

What's going on, everybody? It is Proper Royals, live, fresh from Daytona. We got Brett Towers from Jersey Guys Balls. We're going to get into all the fun of Daytona. Let's get right to it.

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What's up, everybody? I hope that you're doing well. I am finally feeling better. I don't know if you guys caught, um, last week's show. I didn't say much about it, but I was, I was out of my head when I felt really bad. I got through the show with Aaron, Aaron Klein from Batterup Ball Pythons was the guest last week, and it was a cool show. You got to check it out. But man, I was struggling through it. I, I got some virus that was causing, uh, vertigo, and man, I would just have to like grab the table and stare forward like, like everything was fine when it wasn't. And that continued up until last night. Uh, even last night, Chris Hanson gave me a call about our upcoming trip, and I was like, "Dude, I'm already, I'm already in bed." And it was like 6:30. I've been sleeping like 9, 10 hours for a week, which is not like me at all.

Um, today, I don't feel like totally perfect, but today was the kind of day where I was just like, you know what? If I'm not going to feel better from getting a whole bunch of rest and doing all the right things, then I don't care. I'm at least going to feel bad getting stuff done. So, I, I went to the car wash. And for those of you that don't own a car wash, uh, the drains in car washes are about the most disgusting thing you can imagine. And they're like 18 inches deep. And when they fill up, you got to, you got to shovel them out, or you got to pay somebody like a grand to come pump them out. And let me just say, we're not, I'm not operating at the, pay somebody a grand every couple months to pump those out. Um, or maybe like once a month. Anyway, today was shovel day. I shoveled all the drains out myself. Um, got good and dirty and, and, uh, I've just decided that I've, I've, I'm quitting the virus. It can quit me if it wants to, but I've quit it. So, I'm glad you're here. Uh, I hope that, um, like I say, I hope that everybody is well.

Hey, look, uh, to start off on a, a really terribly sad note, um, I saw the news that, uh, Tyson from RT Royals passed away in a car accident over the weekend, and that kind of hit me in the gut. I don't claim to know Tyson really, really well, but, uh, he was a customer. He had asked, uh, for some help and guidance on trying to build his brand and his Instagram, um, channel, and so somebody that I talk to fairly often, not daily, and I know he was active in other Patreons. Um, so I know there's a lot of people out there that, um, uh, that knew him. So, first off, my condolences to his family and, and to his closer friends. Uh, but it also really just made me think of like, all the stuff that we worry about, how little it really matters. Like, like just, just make the most of whatever time you have, 'cause it, what a, what an awful, like, surprise. Usually has like a nice connotation to it. What a, what a tragic, uh, horrible surprise, and, uh, young guy.

Um, I'll tell you, I'll tell you a really quick story of one interaction that I had with him. Um, and this kind of shows his, his grace and kindness. Uh, I went to FedEx and I shipped a snake to Texas that was to him, and I shipped a snake to Wisconsin that was not to him. And sometimes at FedEx, they reprint the labels because, I don't know, routing changed, or they didn't like my tape job, or whatever. And they stick the labels on the boxes, they re-label them for you. Off they go. Well, in this case, that day, they put the labels, uh, opposite. So Tyson's snake went to Wisconsin, and vice versa. And he was just like, "Well, stuff happens." And I was like, "Well, at minimum, you paid for it overnight. I'm going to get you your money back." And he was like, "Oh, I didn't even, I didn't even think about that." He goes, "You, I trust it's in good hands. You redline the guys. You guys got it figured out." And like, he, like I say, just, just a really calm, kind, patient dude. And, uh, it was, it was hit me in the gut when I heard that he passed.

So, um, one life goes, and, uh, yesterday, I think I got the news that, uh, Chris and Jennifer at BNS Reptilia, uh, welcomed a new child to the world. Uh, I will let them make that announcement and all of that, but, uh, many, many blessings to them. And, um, what I will say is, uh, Chris said everybody's healthy. Uh, mom and baby are good. So, I know they're enjoying a little bit of family time together, but, uh, wow, what a, what a cool thing. And, uh, beautiful, beautiful pictures of the proud dad I got to, got to take a look at. So, that's how the world goes, I guess. Crazy time.

Um, thanks to, uh, let's see, a couple shout outs here. Uh, thanks to, uh, Keeper Kane. Uh, if you haven't had a chance, go check out Keeper Kane's YouTube channel, but he got a snake from me today. Uh, that, that arrived to him. He had gotten the snake a little while ago, but, but it arrived to him, and he got some proper royal swag and all that. He was very, very complimentary. So, thanks to Keeper Kane, but check out his YouTube channel if you haven't.

Um, also, uh, shout out to JSA. That's Joe Aterson. Joe and Sheena Atterson. That's JSA. I've, I've sung the praises before. Really wonderful people that have welcomed me to, uh, Minnesota with open arms. But really great example, we were both vending, uh, the same show this past weekend on Sunday, and, uh, there was somebody that was looking, there was a customer, you know, classic, "Well, Joe has this, and Adam has that." And I wasn't there for the conversation, but to paraphrase, Joe said to the buyer, "Look, which snake are you going to be more happy with? Uh, and which one fits your project? Of what you've been describing to us." And the lady said, "Well, I, I think I like Adam's more." And Joe said, "Well, that's the snake you need to buy. I'm not going to try and sell you a different snake that you're going to be less happy with to save a couple bucks or 20 or 25 or whatever." He says, "Go buy the right snake." And like, it's so refreshing to hear that because, look, like I said, Joe and Sheena are, are just icons in the area. They, they, he could have closed the deal. He could have closed the sale if he had wanted to. So, uh, first off, thanks for that. But that, what a great, like, example, too. And that's truly what we should do. And if you think about it, he gained the trust of that buyer as much as I did, uh, in that transaction. Granted, I got a couple more dollars in my pocket, but that stuff all evens out over time. And we also know as soon as somebody starts talking about breeding, especially at a small market show, they're going to buy from the people that they trust the most, and they're going to buy more snakes. So, do the right thing, and it pays off in the long run. That's, uh, it was really cool. Thanks to Joe on that.

Um, thanks to Ed and Emily at Snake Discovery. How cool. Uh, they, they host their own show, and that's where we were vending this weekend. Uh, I feel like, I feel like summer, like, winds down, and business just picks up. Like, there's a lot going on all of a sudden. Uh, September 27th will be the return of EPIC, the Exotic Pet Industry Conference. We've got things nailed down. The site epic.live live is up. There's a few details still missing on it, but it's up and running. You could go check out epic.live. Uh, I don't know if the keynote and all the presenters have been announced yet, so I'm going to keep that a little bit quiet. I'm not sure when we're rolling that out. Um, but September 27th, it is a Saturday. Um, EPIC comes back, uh, for the second event this year. We'll do two a year going forward, uh, as far as I know, and maybe it'll expand beyond that. But check that out. I hope to see you there as well.

Um, okay. It's official. I've decided. I'm making it happen. Uh, we're going to do Proper Royals, uh, soccer jerseys available only at Tinley, with the only exception being if you're in the Patreon and you want to order one, I'll take care of you as well. Uh, they'll be limited edition for Tinley. And here's the deal. I've got two, uh, or maybe three. I might pick up another one tonight. I've got a few samples on the way. When they arrive, it's going to take about a week to two weeks for them to arrive. When they arrive, I'll post pictures and I'll decide which ones that we're going to go with, but also I'll show you the size fit on my body, so you can decide, you know, you could pick your, uh, you could pick your, your size and stuff. Now, if you pick it up at Tinley, no problem. You can pick whatever size you want. But here's the offer. They're jerseys. So, you could have, and they'll have the Proper Royals badge, I think, on the left, left breast, but I'm not sure. They'll have like a, like a soccer club badge, but it's going to be the, the Proper Royals badge on the front. And then on the back, you can have your own number, and you can have your own name, whatever nickname you want to give yourself. Um, I think I'm going to take "Captain," but otherwise, you can, you can name it whatever you want.

Um, I'm going to have those, excuse me, at Tinley. If you want it customized beforehand, there's no upcharge. You just have to pay for it in advance, and I'll give you the deadlines and the dates. We're about four weeks out from all of that. So, it's going to go fast once I get the samples, but I'll get those in and just so I can decide which one is the best, like, fit and quality and colors and what I want and all that. I'm leaning towards just the black and white, uh, Proper Royals, but maybe I'll get a color because every Tinley, I want to do a different one that won't be repeated. So, if I blow out black and white already, like that's my favorite one, I can't do that out of the gate, can I? I don't know. We'll see how the samples come in and we'll get it going. So, if that interests you, uh, message me. I'll get a list together. I don't have any limit on how many I'll do of the personalized ones. The ones that I take to Tinley, I'm probably just going to do 12 men's and 12 women's or something like that. So, uh, if that speaks to you, love to have your, uh, help. It, I'm not going to say a price yet. They're cheaper than I thought they were going to be, and that's really good news. I'm going to pass that on to you guys, but it looks like they're going to be, um, actually not much more than just what I would charge for the t-shirt. So, pretty sweet on that.

Um, let me see here. I got some dates to share with you. Um, I make notes and I take pride in making notes, but when I have too many notes, there's stuff everywhere. All right.

Um, 13th to 14th, I will be in Toronto at the CRBE broadcasting live with Chris Eaton of the Fat Man Nation and Fear to Fascination. Joe and Ash are going to be there with us as well, doing live content from the expo floor. If you're going to be in Toronto and you want to come hang out, get in touch with us. We'll get you on the show. We'll do our best to. If you're vending in Toronto, you get even higher priority. You should have received an invite from Chris and I, but maybe you're a late addition. Maybe we messed up something. Get in touch if you want to, uh, do a session. These are going to be marathons. Saturday morning, we turn on, we go live, and we don't shut off until the end of the show that day. Pretty cool. Um, that's the 13th and 14th of September. That will all be on YouTube for sure on the Fat Man Nation. We might simocast on my channel as well.

Uh, September 28th, I will be in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. October 5th, Minneapolis, Minnesota. These are all reptile expos. Uh, October 10th, 11th, and 12th will be Tinley. Then October 25th, Fargo, North Dakota. October 26th, back to back. I'm going to be in, uh, North Dakota vending one day. I'll be back in Hastings, Minnesota at the Snake Discovery Show on the 26th, the next day. And then I'll wrap up, uh, that sort of fall tour, uh, November 2nd in Des Moines, Iowa. Uh, I hope to see you somewhere if you're out and about in the upper Midwest or at YouTube.

Um, I put out a video on YouTube this week of five, six proven breeders or ready to breed that are ready to go. I don't really have a use for them anymore. Obviously, you can always breed something, but as far as my projects and advancing, I'm in good shape without them. Uh, go check out that video on YouTube. Obviously, if you're watching right now, you know how to get to the Proper Royals YouTube. Just look at the other, uh, um, you know, the other videos that it suggests to you. It's the most recent one.

And then last but not least of the announcements, does anybody know anything about sign printing? I need an 8 foot by 4 foot outdoor mounted sign for my car wash. I've got a rebrand. Um, I've got the, the building is repainted. I'll be rolling out an Instagram page to build the business of the car wash. I'm done with the reptile room renovation. That part project is done. Time to build this car wash business. I'm going to join the chamber, sponsor local little leagues, all that good stuff. I can't find a sign for a reasonable price. I could find them on the internet, but I'd like to either support people locally or support somebody in the industry. If, if, if anybody out there has sign making experience, 8 feet by 4 feet, it just needs to be outdoors. Um, it's going to be mounted flat on a cinder block building facing west. If you know anything about it or you know somebody you can refer me to, uh, message me. I will gladly give support to whoever I can, obviously within reason at a reasonable price. Let me know on that.

Uh, all right. 15 minutes of announcements. That is plenty too long. Thanks for sticking around. Thanks for hanging out. Uh, I have not seen any of the comments. So, oh, there's not that many. Not, not bad. I can check this out then.

Um, what's up, Chris? Jeremy, Zachary, how's it going? I think you're new. I don't recognize your name, but thanks for hanging out tonight. Uh, Warfuls. Oh, nice. We got Balls and Strikes in the house. Nixon, Brandon. Um, and we got Paul Large Marge. Paul's gonna be traveling to Toronto as well with the entourage. He's like, uh, I don't know these guys well enough to give them nicknames. I don't want to, I don't want to dole out nicknames because I know that the guys from New York will have much harsher nicknames for me. So, I'm not going to make entourage, uh, analogies. I take it back. Um, but what's up, Paul? And, uh, Chris just joined the show, but, uh, I noted earlier, many congratulations to you and your family. Uh, many blessings. I'm glad that y'all are doing well. Um, and I will leave the announcement at that.

Uh, big thanks to Brett from Jersey Guys Balls. Uh, I always have a good time hanging out with him both in person and on the show. Like I said, I was whooped, man. This week, that whatever that virus was, it just killed me. Like, don't get me wrong, I like my sleep, but 9, 10, 11 hours. There was a, I think it was Thursday into Friday. I went to bed at 2:00 in the afternoon. I didn't get up till 8 or 9 the next morning. And that's just not like me. That's, that I was out of it. But anyway, I was behind on booking and I was just like, you know what? I'll do a solo show if I need to, but let's try and get a Daytona wrap up in. I threw out a line to Brett, and he was like, "Let's do it." I was like, "Oh, thank God." So, uh, I want to say, uh, thanks to Brett ahead of time, full disclosure on how this all came together, but please welcome back, I think for the third time now, at least third time, uh, please welcome back to the Proper Royal stage, Brett Towers from Jersey Guys Balls. Brett, what's going on, man?

>> Going on.

>> Not too much. Thanks for being. It's like

>> I think this is our third time. I think

>> it's at least our third. You might have done like

>> might be fourth.

>> Yeah, you might have done like a panel or something one. I know it's the third time with like you as the guest, but maybe like

>> sometimes at the end of the year I do those big hangouts, you know? Maybe, maybe not one of those. I don't know.

>> Anyhow,

>> uh thanks for being here, man. Uh, just, uh, 48 hours ago you left, uh, Daytona, and now you're back in Jersey doing podcasts, man.

>> Yeah. So, we, we dipped out of Daytona, uh, pretty much honestly, like an hour before the show ended, and we got home yesterday morning at like 6 a.m.ish. Um, so, yeah, drift through the night. It's not, it's not as bad when I got, like, it's me and my dad, like, we just take turns, take sleep.

>> Um, but definitely he's definitely hurting right now. Um, we're both definitely hurting catching up a little bit for sure.

>> Now, when you say hurting, is it just from working hard or like I want to say

>> Okay. All right.

>> getting all out of whack. Yeah.

>> The few times we've all hung out, I want to say your dad has better instincts on when to hang things up and get a little rest in, given the opportunity. I remember I think it was Shamberg. You might have

>> hung out a little later one evening with me than than he did.

>> Yeah.

>> I go, I go hard at the snake shows for sure.

>> I do too. It's a problem, man. Like it always seems good, and we're always like, "Yeah, we're networking. We're building relationships." And then 7 a.m. on Saturday when Tim got to be in the room next morning, like

>> I know it's really tough because the doors open so early on both of the days.

>> Yeah.

>> Where it's like Daytona, I don't think it opened till like 9 for vendors, then 10 for the public. So you get to sleep in a little bit,

>> right? But those Tinley shows when it's that early, you're like, "Oh my god, it's, it's just impossible to catch up after that."

>> Um, let me see here. One second. I just got a text that the wrong mic is selected. Uh, let me, let me fix quickly here. Sorry. And I got distracted. And when other people like people are, How about now? Check. Check. Okay, we're gonna roll with it. You can hear me. We're doing good. To me. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Okay. Well, we're gonna call it a day there and silence this thing. Um, I, well, no. So, I take the banner and the light to vend at shows with me. And then I was filming. I was like, you know what? I got to get back to filming content. So, I actually took my camera various places, started working on some things, and I got down here before the show, and I was like, oh my god, nothing is set up down here. This is terrible.

>> All right. Uh, well, so lesson learned. I will, uh, I will add that to my checklist. So, uh, how many Daytonas now for you?

>> Four.

>> Uh, so this is our, I would call it two and a half.

>> Um,

>> Okay. Two and a half.

>> Uh, one of them was tough. Yeah. We, uh,

>> they were nice about it, I guess, but they let us Saturday, and then at the end of Saturday, they're like, "Hey, you don't have the right licenses. Uh, it's time for you to pack up and get on out of here." Which wasn't as bad. Like, it wouldn't have been bad if it was like, if they let us know like 3 p.m. on Saturday so we could like actually pack up without getting screamed at by Wayne and his minions.

>> But because they told us like 5:45, and or whenever, whatever time it was, it was like 15 minutes before we had to be out. Wayne was like screaming at. So we were getting yelled at by them, and Wayne at the same time was like

>> it was all messed up.

>> Uh, them being, uh, FWC.

>> FWC. Yeah. And they weren't mean about it at all. They were just basically like, "Hey, you don't have your the right licenses. It's, uh, we can give you a ticket, but we're just going to let you off with a warning. You just got to pack up and head out."

>> Yeah.

>> Then that's what we'll do. We're not going to argue with you.

>> Uh, no, you don't want to argue that.

>> A lot of places, the, the, the governing body is like a civil body or whatever, or civil citation. Florida, they will, they'll take you to jail, man, and

>> kill your animals. So, I could say that because I don't live there anymore, but I, I have, I have an FWC license. I remember those things, man.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, so, all right. We'll talk about that process, though. So, you, or as much as you want to. Did you have to import every animal that you brought in as well? You got to get the paperwork on all the animals on top of the, what is it? Class three or class two license. This is probably good to talk about because I feel like no one has really been on a podcast before.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, I had no idea before we actually got the right licenses that we actually needed certain licenses. So it's, it's the class three or whatever class it is.

>> I think it's class three. Yeah.

>> So that license is good for a year.

>> So sometimes you get lucky with Daytona dates,

>> right? Yeah.

>> Perfect amount for the last two Daytonas. So, basically, you go on their FWC website, you apply for that permit, and I think that one's like 50 bucks or 100 bucks.

>> It's not much. Yeah, I think it's 50 bucks, I think. Yeah.

>> And that one is the one that you want to do early. So, if you're going to vend Daytona, it's, I would recommend doing it. Just get it done in the beginning of the year because it could take months before they get back to you with that, that license. Um, some, sometimes they're pretty quick with it, sometimes it takes forever, but so basically they'll send you an email saying, "Hey, you were approved. Go on the website and pay for your license and claim it, and then just print it out and bring it with you." Then there's another one. It's the import permit, which is free, which I had no idea about. The, the lady that FWC, uh, officer that kicked us out was like, "Sent me, send me an email after, like, you need this import permit as well next time, just so you know." Um, so it's basically just like a sheet of paper. It's like the easiest piece of paper ever to fill out. You basically write your name, address, and what animals you'll have, and it's free. You just email it to them, and they're like, "Yep, you're good." They put a stamp on it, email it back to you. Um, but that one only lasts 45 days, which gets tricky because then it's like, you got to turn it in at the right time, or else it, you won't have it for the Daytona weekend, and it's not good. But we always just fill it out like right at the beginning of July. Usually only takes two to three weeks to get back to us, latest. Um, yeah, but that one's super easy to fill out. And then the last thing you need is a list of your inventory. At least that's what they say.

Um, there's some people that turn in like a list that every single animal individually. They give out a piece of paper that says species, quantity, quarter that was born. So we always just do like, however many ball pythons is the quantity ball pythons, and then we just put a quarter. Um,

>> Yeah.

>> and we never really had a problem.

>> Right.

>> I will say there was a significant amount of FWC guys walking around Daytona.

>> Now, were they, were they plain clothes or were they, you could tell, you, they had the badges out. You could tell who they were.

>> They were wearing, they were wearing the sheriff's badge on their hip for sure.

>> Gotcha. Because they do, uh, they do plain clothes as well. I've been, I've been inspected,

>> and, uh, it's funny because I, to this day, I remember the dude, and like, I saw him at Daytona one year, and I, I don't remember his name now, but I did know his name at the time,

>> and like I called out to him across the room like, "Hey, how you doing, buddy? It's good to see you." And like

>> you look

>> Yeah, he was furious because he was playing, but it, but it was like, it was like the, "Hey, everybody, that's the FWC guy around you." Um, and sometimes in Florida, when I lived in Florida, sometimes it's even tougher because technically every animal that you buy off Morph Market is supposed to be, not technically, it is. It's supposed to be imported. You're supposed to get a permit for it. You're supposed to have that on hand. And the thing about living in Florida with FWC is, to get that license in Florida, I don't know if you noticed on the, at least on the in-state application, there's a line where it says, basically, you give up your, uh, right to protection from illegal search and seizure. We can come in anytime, announced, unannounced,

>> with or without a warrant.

>> And, um, that's, uh, and, and, and when they do that, you're supposed to have all of your import permits, uh, all the purchases, and the, the, the permit number of who you purchased it from.

>> So, there's a bit of a, uh, a bit of a dance you got to do, um, to stay legal.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And I complain about New Jersey a lot. Like, New Jersey's got a lot of stupid rules where we can have certain animals and can't have certain animals, and we got to have, keep track of what we sell to who. If it's in Jersey, we got to give them a permit, like a temporary permit before they get a pet permit.

>> Oh, really? Okay.

>> It's all sort of give me your money by New Jersey.

>> Yeah. It's a bunch of tax. Yeah. Right.

>> Um, but yeah, it, it sounds like New Jersey is nothing compared to Florida. So,

>> well, the thing was,

>> Go ahead.

>> New Jersey is the same way. They can come in and check whatever they want, whenever they want. And

>> they can. Yeah.

>> If they have a, if they find an animal that you're not allowed to have, they'll take everything.

>> Um,

>> but I, from what I've never heard of someone actually getting searched in New Jersey.

>> See, in Florida, I definitely have heard of it. And, and I had a different experience. I never had, uh, an inspector come to my house whatsoever, but a lot of friends that I keep up with, they say when they first got their permit, they got inspected before they ever got their permit. I never got inspected whatsoever. And then there's another guy that I know, and I won't say who he is or what he works with because he really only works one project, and he's, he's pretty good at it. But he was selling on Morph Market and didn't have a permit, and they showed up at his house after scouring Morph Market,

>> and said, "Take down your Morph Market account, and in 30 days, you need to have a license, or, uh, we'll arrest you if you still have your animals."

>> Yeah. And you're like, "Okay. All right. So much for it being a hobby, right?" Like you're like, "Man, oh man." But

>> that's what's out there. That's why, uh, the US ARC support is, uh, so important.

>> Speaking of, uh, US ARC, one of the icons of Daytona is the US ARC auction. Like the one at Tinley's cool. The one in Daytona, it's like

>> it's like a stadium in there, man. It is a massive thing.

>> Huge.

>> Was it cool this year? Was, what were the highlights, man?

>> Yeah, it was cool. Um, I mean, I always like seeing the, uh, staff that they do at Daytona, seeing who wins that, and how much it goes for. It's like the, the stick that Bob usually wins with the snakes wrapped around it.

>> Um,

>> I can't remember who won it. I think, uh, Penllis County won that. I think his name is Josh. I don't really know his, uh, I never really met him before, but that went for like $2,700. Honestly, the majority of things that were auctioned, Kim Barker, or Kim, um, Bill Kim Bell.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> That's cool. I mean,

>> yeah.

>> The industry's given, given the Bells a lot of money, so that's cool. Yeah, you know, you give and you take.

>> Yeah, it would be like a couple people bidding back and forth, and then it would slow down, and then Kim Bell would just come and win every, like, every single one. I was like, "Oh my gosh." Um, but it was cool. It lasted a while. I think it started at 8. It didn't end till close to 11. Um,

>> Oh, wow.

>> Saturday night. Yeah. Um, but it was super cool. Yeah. Um, I wouldn't say it was as crazy as normal, just with the way the market is right now. Like the prices weren't insane.

>> Um, there wasn't jello shots being thrown around like typical. Um, but it was still super cool. It's always cool to, uh, see like the big, big guys really supporting US ARC by bidding on stuff, paying extreme amounts and,

>> stuff like that. My boy, uh, Chris from Sea Serpents, the owner of Sea Serpents. Y,

>> he was bidding a bunch against Kimbell. Um,

>> it was,

>> he's always a big player at those auctions, and he does a lot like that's, it's, um, it's worth a shout out and it's worth just for what he does for the industry to check out his products. I can't, I can't speak to whether they're quality or not, but I don't have any experience, but I can tell you that dude Chris,

>> Yeah,

>> Chris walks the walk. Yeah, he walks the walk, man. For sure.

>> For sure.

>> Um, all right. I don't usually do this. I don't usually have like 10 questions written, but I, I wrote 10 questions for some like quickfire fun here.

>> Um, all right. And these are all like, what were the best of these things that you saw. So, what was the, what was the best snake ball python? What was the best ball python that you saw at Daytona? Like, what was like the, the holy smokes moment?

>> Can I choose two or I gotta choose one?

>> Oh, definitely two. You can, I mean, as long as they're good, you could talk about as many as you want.

>> Yeah, I'll do, uh, the first one's from Leviathan. They had the, oh, the Orange Dream Sunset Ultramo there.

>> Um,

>> it's incredible. I think the Sunset Ultramo Ball is one of like top three in the world right now, just on how it looks. It just looks so good.

>> Um,

>> I didn't realize they had hit an OD version of it. I saw

>> Oh, they got both of them. Yeah, I saw, uh, Justin's from Morph Jungle, and I've seen, um,

>> Josh was there.

>> His was there as well.

>> I don't know, too.

>> Oh, did it? Is it holding the color nicely?

>> Oh, my incredible. It's, uh, that those paired together is just like, it's perfect.

>> Yeah.

>> It doesn't lose its pattern. Doesn't lose its color. It's, it's amazing.

>> I don't know if Josh still has his from Ball Python Shed. I remember I was vending in Kansas City, and he was down the row from me, and this lady comes over, and she whispers, and she's like, "I don't want to make fun of an accent, but let's just say she had a southern sounding accent," and she's like, "Why would that man ask $15,000 for that snake?" I was like, "Actually, it's a pretty fair deal because this was a year ago, man. He was," and I was like,

>> uh, does, does recessive or multiple recessive genes mean anything to you?

>> She's like, "No." I was like, "Speaking Spanish."

>> Yeah. It's just an expensive snake, ma'am. And, and it's a fair price.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Okay. So, the OD Sunset Ultram from Leviathan, huh?

>> Yeah. Leviathan. I don't know if, uh,

>> Brandon, I don't think, I can't remember. I don't remember seeing Brandon's. Uh,

>> yeah, he hit one. Yeah, that's right. I've seen his pictures. He's got one, too.

>> I know he hit one.

>> Y,

>> I don't think he brought it. I don't think, I don't think he vended Daytona. I think he vended Bob's show. Um, but the other one was the, uh, Tornado from Jeremy Bald. Seeing that in person was pretty sweet.

>> Now, had you seen that in Tinley?

>> So, I saw the one in Tinley. Yeah. Um,

>> but getting up and close and personal with it, it was, it was, it's super cool, Jean. I'm excited about it for sure.

>> Nice, man. Um, uh, nice. Um, what, uh, sorry, I, I thought of a, I thought of something, but I'm going to let that be, actually. Um, what, uh, on, on Jeremy's, on that tornado, where do you think the, where, like, if you had that, what would you do with that tornado other than breed it to everything you possibly could? Like, where, where would be the, uh, the vision on it?

>> Man, that's the hard part. So, it's so new. Like, literally, the only thing that's been put with it, I think, was the tornado pod so far. Um, like, there's been zero, uh, combinations with it so far. So, it's really hard to think about like, what would go well with it.

>> He's got like,

>> he's got like the only males in the states, right?

>> Um, I'm pretty sure he has the only visual male in the state. In the States. Yeah.

>> Yeah, I think so too.

>> Actually, it might be the only male. It might be in the world because there was a, there was an accident, a mishap on the others, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Yep. So, I know there's a bunch of females. I know Justin has a bunch of females.

>> Um,

>> I know there's het males, but I don't think there's any visual males.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, but man, obviously you want to get it right into recessives to see what it works with and what it doesn't work with.

>> Sure.

>> And then based on that, kind of the problem with that is that takes a long time. Yeah.

>> You have to put it. You have to make double hits. Then you have to hit the one and 16 just to hit the double visual. So, honestly, I think going to code might be the way to go originally, and then seeing where.

>> But with a male, you can, you can do that. You could, I mean, if it's only a female that you got to wait the years on and then

>> you obviously can only pair that to one, but then male, you can do a few.

>> I go back and forth on what would be better to have first, like visual male or visual female. Obviously, having a visual male, you can have clutches sooner and more clutches sooner, but visual female, I think you hit a tornado sooner because you'll have the visual female, you'll get her first clutch, and then you can get a het male from that clutch, breed it back to her faster. And if you had a male and had to wait for a het female to get up to size, you know,

>> I guess it's where the priority is because, yeah, no matter what, you're always going to have to grow a female up. The females, you got to have the female.

>> Yeah. If you are going to go broke before the three years of the female growing up, yeah,

>> you might want some hets ahead of time, but then that's gonna, that's gonna give the other people out there a chance to get ahead of you too, is the other possibility.

>> Yeah, you have that female, you're really hoping that she goes in three years. Like, really. Um, if, like, I have plenty of females that we still haven't gone from us, and we bought when we were first getting it.

>> Yeah.

>> Um,

>> so that could always be bad. Um, but yeah, I mean, I guess having the male would probably be more beneficial overall because you could have five clutches by the time that female lays her first clutch,

>> right? You might not get famous for the tornado, but you're going to have a pretty stout bank account, which

>> I don't know. There's a, there's, there's pluses and minuses.

>> No,

>> I, I really want to see what happens with it when you put in like something like a hurricane or a cypress, stuff like that. I think.

>> Oh, a hurricane would be pretty, pretty wild. Especially a clown. Uh, would be really crazy.

>> Yeah. Um, I, I really like it. It really blows out the sides and the alien heads on the sides, and it almost has like a cosmos look, just more broken up.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, so I'm excited about it, man. We'll see. We'll see where it goes.

>> Speaking of, did you see any Cosmos in Daytona? Are they, are they available in the states yet or not yet?

>> So, so there's Jeremy there. One visual male, one visual female, and three proven het females.

>> Um,

>> I think, isn't there DG in the mix in that as well, Jeremy? Pied and DG?

>> And Monsini.

>> Jeez. My god.

>> All right, leave some for the rest of us, Jeremy. Jeez. And by the way, I've been wearing your t-shirt proudly for like four years on this show, man. If you, you know, just if you ever wanna repay, real quick.

>> Yeah, if you can set me up with a tornado, we'll call it even, man. But otherwise, I'll keep wearing the t-shirt.

>> So, the Cosmos, there was Justin Kenova was vending at Bob's show, the Southeast Reptile Expo. He had two Cosmos there. Both were females. I think they were like Blackhead Cosmos or Mahogany Cosmos or something like that. They were like 20 grand each. Um,

>> and then there's no, at none at Daytona. Zero

>> Cosmos.

>> None.

>> Um, I would assume there will most likely be some next year.

>> They've got to start showing up, right? Like they're gonna, they're gonna in the market, right?

>> Yeah. I mean, even with, um, Ralph over in Europe, I'm pretty sure he has like hundreds of Cosmos combos. So, eventually the price is gonna come down and be a little bit more realistic for everybody. Um, but I don't know, man. I, I would, there's definitely gonna be Cosmos.

>> Yeah. You know those like every now and again you see like the news flash will be on like, it'll be like the hot thing on like Google News or what, like, "Man found with 22 pythons in his pants." Like when you're like, "Well, in Europe, there's hundreds of them." I'm like, "That's why the dude has 20 pythons in his pants."

>> Exactly. But yeah, um, we were lucky enough to, uh, be able to work something out with Germany to get that visual tornado double hit Monsini pod female from down in Daytona, and we're

>> we're very excited about it.

>> Okay. I was gonna, that's where I was like, I don't know, maybe I won't ask. I had heard,

>> not Daytona, not Daytona rumblings. I'd heard some other rumblings in the past. I said, "You know what? I better. There's, I try and pride myself on like, there's show conversations, but then there's

>> private conversations. When people want something to be private, we keep them private." Nice. So, that one came back with you to New Jersey.

>> Came back with us. It had its first deal tonight.

>> Yeah.

>> Congratulations to the buyer and to the seller. I wish you both are great guys, and you've both been awesome. I'm, um, I, I, I wouldn't have been happier hearing of a deal between other people. So that's, uh, that's very cool.

>> We're, we're super excited about it.

>> And with like how far we are with the, uh, Monsini gene, like we have the Desert Ghost Monsini, Monsini Clown, the, uh,

>> we have a, I think we have a Banana Clown double hit Monsini Pie out there, male. Like, it just made sense to get it with all the stuff that we could do with it, already being het Monsini, het Pie, and stuff like that. Um, but yeah, I'm hoping by the time she's up to size, Jeremy has a male sitting there for us, you know.

>> Oh, so you got, you, oh, you got the female, not the male.

>> There was, yeah, he won't let go of the male.

>> Okay. But no, but that's cool, though. Like, yeah, you, you keep up the relationship with Jeremy. That's gonna be another two years. You're gonna have time. You're gonna work stuff out. You're gonna chat and have conversations and,

>> Yeah.

>> somewhere.

>> Exactly. Okay. That is cool, man. Ah, congratulations. I'm, I'm really, I am happy to hear that for you guys. That's awesome.

>> Thank you.

>> Um, yeah, we're very happy that Jeremy would even give us the opportunity to pick it up from him. So,

>> very cool. All right. Uh, I had said these were going to be quickfire questions, but maybe they'll just be the whole show. Who knows? Uh, what is the, for, for people who haven't been to Daytona, uh, we talked a little bit about the auction,

>> but what's the best hangout? I'm thinking through my few years there, and the hangouts are the best. They're almost as good as the show. Especially if you don't have to, if you just go to the show and you don't have to like actually make money or cover cost.

>> The hangs are the best. Where were, what was the best hangouts you had this weekend? So, I will say in terms of hangouts of Daytona, I will say this was pretty low compared to a typical Daytona. I think a lot of, like, so obviously everybody usually stays at that Hilton hotel right across the street,

>> right?

>> A lot of people are staying elsewhere. Uh, just the pricing from the hotel, and I think a lot of people are having problems with like their AC units, water, all sorts of problems with the hotel, and they're just staying at hotels down the street.

>> Yeah. Like the best thing I gotta, okay, so hang on a second. Like,

>> in my experience, the best thing was you don't have to drive anywhere. Everybody's at the same place.

>> You could get a, you could get a street taco, or you could get a prime steak in the building. The beach is right out the back. There's bars everywhere,

>> and you just hang out at the elevator. You'll see everybody that you can imagine.

>> Yeah, there were still a good group of people hanging out, uh, Saturday after the auction. Um, but then like the auction didn't get done till 11:00, so a lot of people hung out for like an hour and then headed up to the room and stuff like that. Um, but obvious, it was still a good time. I think Friday night I went down to the, uh, we, I went down to the beach with, uh, Dave Levenson, Chad Hulker, um, Austin from up in Canada.

>> Oh, when they shoved you in the trunk.

>> That was that dinner on Friday night.

[Laughter]

>> That's a, that is.

An iconic picture. If you look closely, Hulker's holding a knife in his hand and everything.

>> Oh, no. I did not see that detail. Jeez.

>> It's awesome. Um, but yeah, that was a great even like that's the best part about going to this is just hanging out with people. Um, like when I I so I so we did a Bob show down in Southeast Reptile Expo. My dad drove down to Tampa. That's where my sister lives now. And he hung out there basically for the week and hung out with Brock and Winston a bunch as well. I flew home and had work all last week. So then I flew down on Friday night.

>> Wait, where were the snakes in this whole? So you go to Siri.

>> Uhhuh.

>> Where were the snakes the whole time?

>> So he drives down to Tampa and I can send you a picture. He had them sitting on her kitchen island on a heat cable until he went over to Daytona.

>> Yeah. Nice.

>> Um and then obviously Daytona, you set up on Thursday, so before you even know it, you're going to set up. Um, but yeah, there was definitely room for another in that trunk, Chris. Uh, yeah, my dad went to visit Jeremy Bald, uh, I think on the Tuesday of that week. Then he on Wednesday, he went over to Winston's house, hung out with Brock and Winston. Um, but basically, as soon as I get there on Friday night, I I fly in and I don't get over there until like, I don't know, 8:30, 9. We're all eating, we're hanging out. Like, that's the best part. You show up, they got two beers waiting for you. Then you never know what you're Yeah. I end up in the trunk because it's a full car.

>> Um

>> It's funny, man. It's like it's that's the stuff that you remember from the shows, not what you sell at the shows, you know?

>> It really is. And I I've I even have to tell myself that again sometimes. Like I was even t this weekend on a much smaller scale.

>> There's some shows that I cut out from last year and like this summer has felt like real doldrums. And I realized, even locally and regionally, even if I don't make any money at the show, just being present in the market has such a big influence. And like again, take out take out Tinley, take out Daytona, that's a different story. Your your local regional um I don't know, Repicon's kind of the most famous, but those that you see the same buyers over and over again and they see that the like they get familiar with you, even if you don't sell at that show, it's so good to be recognized and known because when they do want to buy, they're going to think of you and they're going to reach out to you, you know.

>> Um

>> But then also the bigger shows like Tinley I used to beat myself up over because Timley is an expensive show, man. And if you're not like you're up you're up against guys that are slinging tornadoes or cosmoses or sunset ultrams. So it's really hard to make a buck. But then what I realized throughout the course of the year is people saw me at Tinley. I got show guests. I got business with the sponsors up top and down below. And like you got to go just get out in the market, man. It's so nice. I'm the first one to say that Tim Lee is like the hardest show to make money at because just the breaking even price is like for us it's like two grand $2500 because the table $400 a pop. Your hotel is going to be another $400 on top of that. You got to drive out there, drive home.

>> Yeah.

>> Um it's it it everything just adds up so quick for Tinley that it's like honestly what I consider it's like playing lottery. Like you're buying in for a ticket and you have a chance of hitting it big and then if you don't like whatever.

>> But

>> It's uh man I would say like we've probably done like eight six eight 10 less something like that. We've maybe broke even or made money at like half them. The other half we've lost money and but it's like you're saying like it's it's it's advertising cost like and the more you show up in the same show in the same spot the more people know right where you are. The more people like you they see the project you're working on when you're posting on Instagram or just showing them off and they know exactly where to go to see you.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, I think that's why like Brock and Brad Bowen, they crush it at Tinley because they're one, they're right in the first aisle. And two, everybody, they've been there for 10 years, 20 years. Everybody knows where they are at.

>> Yep.

>> You know where to stop by and like

>> Yeah.

>> At first, where my table with Chris is at BNS.

>> Yeah.

>> I was kind of annoyed and it was kind of a joke like, "Oh, I'm the last ball python breeder in and they'll stick me in the corner." But actually, it really helps just to say all the way back, all the way to the left.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Because it's such a m like it's a nightmare trying to say to people, well, it's seven rows over and then I'll be on your left. No, what are you going to do with that? You just hope they find you.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's that's why like even my spots like I'm only like I don't even know two rows to the right from the entrance. But like trying to explain it where I am to someone, it's impossible because there's a 100 rows and yeah, only way I'm able to say is I'm like the first row under the low ceiling. That's it.

>> I don't even to be honest. I hate to admit it. I don't even know if I've ever made it to your booth at Timley. We've hung out at Timley plenty.

>> I say at at shows you're pretty dedicated to your table.

>> That's true. I don't leave I don't leave the table. It's true.

>> There's a couple times where I've offered to hold your table down so you can go to the bathroom or something because I don't ever see you leave your table.

>> I don't. It's true. I'm um uh it's probably one of the reasons that Chris and I get along so well and he vends with me. But like I'm just like I'll be at the table, man. I'll call you. But like when I I have this just weird like it's it's really really cheesy but like it's the whole like putting on the code. It's the whole work mentality. When I'm in that work mode, man, it's it's it's on it. And I don't sit down either. You never seem there's I guarantee there is no chair there. I don't sit either. So it's like

>> Back to my opening statement of uh difficult or poor decision making uh the night before. It really gets magnified at Tinley, man. Oh my goodness. But I think that's a good thing because there's been multiple times where someone's come up to us asking for a particular animal and me and my dad know where one of our friends is that has that animal and we walk the person over to their table and they're nowhere to be found. I'm like there's that animal but I don't know who's going to sell it to you. So

>> Yeah.

>> Um and then it's kind of embarrassing for me because I'm like yeah he's my friend but he's not here. I don't know where he is. We're I'm only going to try and sell his stuff so hard. So,

>> And I've run out of that. I'm done with it.

>> No, I I can remember like and I hated this stuff, but like I used to have like I was when I went into management with Ruby Tuesday, they they made me I had to do these like book reports as like an entry level manager, but one of them I remember to this day the chapter one of one of these books was be present. Like you can't do anything if you're not present. And uh to everything we just said about uh Tinley being so competitive, if you're not there, you might have only have one option. You might only have one shot at at making that money. And it's

>> Yeah.

>> It's really tough. And you you brought up that it's expensive to go and to break even can be a challenge. But even when you break even, you still don't have that inventory that you had when you came with. So it still feels like you're you're like I go back and forth on shows so much because it's like like you said like obviously it's great to get your name out there. It's a great advertising cost. It's a great write off honestly just for advertising. But at the same time man like it's a business. It's got to make money as well. So when you're uh breaking even at the shows as much fun as it is honestly the way I look at it if I break even to go have fun with a bunch of friends. All right, whatever. But you're right. Like you come home, those animals that you sold are gone. Like that's that's inventory that you can't sell.

>> You don't get Yeah. You don't get it back. You can't sell it again.

>> It's not paying for your rat food that month. It's paying for just hanging out at that show. That's it.

>> Yeah. And I I wrestle too because people will especially at a the more competitive the show like the more I wouldn't say lowball but the more aggressive the offers become on the snakes because there's another one over there and I find myself going you know what I got I got six more shows before the end of the year. I'm not going to take pennies on the dollar here just to say I made a sale. That doesn't make sense for me when

>> And

>> I'm not I'm not I'm not doing near what you guys are doing. So, I'm not I'm not saying that I'm anything totally special or anything, but but I have gotten to a point where I've got pretty good show stuff, especially for the regional shows and I have the professional presentation, a little bit of a brand name that's known out there, at least like I've been around and people know where they can find me if they ever need to get a hold of me. And that stuff I can leverage at the regional shows way more than I can at the national show. Nobody cares. Everybody's famous at the national show. Way more famous than me.

>> Um

>> Yeah, every I mean you look to your left and right and everybody's been around longer and much more.

>> Exactly.

>> Yeah.

>> That's why um like you're right though if you it that's why it's really tricky with like some of the shows like Tinley in October everybody's accepting offers because there's not that many shows left in the year and then it's going to be a three or four month break until the next show when they're going to have more inventory anyway. But if you have a show and then you have like five or six more shows in the next two or three months, it's like I'm not going to give stuff away because I'm not going to have it at the next show.

>> Yeah. And I'm I guess I'm a little bit out of the ordinary from um really from the end of September to the middle of November. I'll do like eight or nine shows in like seven weeks. I mean, I've got a couple backtoback single day shows and it's it's great. And those are like no hotel, lower table cost, and I'm at least a bigger fish in the pond, you know, and suddenly it's like, okay, I got a cool thing going here. But

>> That's why I only I really only do Tinley as far as the national show. I'll go to some of the others. I'll travel to the ARPs and I want to get to Siri and I need to go back to Daytona. I may not miss it. I haven't been since I moved. I haven't been in two years. So from a show standpoint, like just being a person who loves reptiles and going to the show, not even as a vendor, like there I think it might be the best show in the country because the diversity there is just crazy.

>> At Tinley or Daytona. Sorry.

>> Daytona.

>> Yeah, it's Well, it's maverick. It's even bigger than Tinley.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, yeah. Every table it's like, what the hell is this species? I never even heard of this species. It's like every table has something a little bit different.

>> Um

>> It's uh

>> And it's Florida. It's a wild way. I mean, even as much as we were saying with FWC, like there's some crazy stuff in Florida, man. And

>> I'm not saying I've ever seen this at Tinley or at Daytona. I have seen it at some other shows. There's some wild stuff under the tables that nobody tells you about as well. And I mean, when I say wild, I mean that is that is really wild. Some of that stuff, man.

>> Yeah.

>> That's why like each show is a little different. You have to know what kind of show you want to go to before you pick one. Like Bob show is is really great for just like overall you're feeling like you're in a a like a prime show. Like it's it feels super uh like classy almost like it feels like uh you're in like a top quality show. But it's a lot of ball pythons. I'll say that. It's it it feels like honestly it kind of feels like more of like a family group. Like everybody's kind of friends at Bob show.

>> Yeah.

>> Um Tinley's kind of ball python show. It's like the ball python show. I would say Daytona it's like if you want to see some reptiles, you go to Daytona because you're going to see all sorts of stuff.

>> Right. Right. Yeah.

>> And it's like I say, it's massive. There's two separate rooms. They don't pack it as tight as Tinley, but I I think there's like 700 vendors or 700 tables or something. I mean, it's crazy big.

>> Um, what uh what room were you in the main room vending or the second room?

>> Yeah. So, anyone who wants a lowkey secret trick to get into the front room if they put you in the second room. So, we were in the second room for the first year when we got kicked out.

>> This is what people come for. 55 minutes in. Here we go. Now we're deal.

>> That's right. You're still watching. You get your payoff right now.

>> When when you turn in your check next week, next year for your Daytona tables, you write on the check. do not cash this check unless I'm in the front room. That's what we did and it worked. And Wayne freaked the [ __ ] out on us. It worked.

>> He called and yelled.

>> But it worked.

>> I'm surprised Wayne puts up with you guys, man.

>> It worked, man. It We're in the front room and I don't know. I don't know if we would have been if we didn't do that. So, for people that that don't know, uh Wayne is I think he's the founder of the Daytona Show. He's certainly the owner of it.

>> And um he is as old school as possible. There is no there's no digital transaction. There is no

>> Yeah, it's all cash. Uh even the front door entry, you no cash, too bad. Screw you. I don't care. Get the hell out.

>> Um,

>> So I made a real when I when I I first bought the car wash. I have bread. I have quarters for days. Not like my whole income is quarters from this car. I don't have a credit card machine. I'm like Wayne. I'm like the Wayne of car of car wash owners. Well, I have these literal money bags that I walk into the bank and I put them Yeah. I'm sure the bank is like, "Damn it, here's this dude again with his quarters." But I made a reel of me being like, "All right, Wayne, here's my Daytona payment and like throwing a bag of quarters on on my counter."

>> That's hilarious.

>> Well, I posted it in the Patreon just to for a laugh and like three people were like, "Why are you throwing snake bag?" Like, they didn't watch it till the end. It looked like a snake bag and they're like, "Dude, you're throwing that." I was like,

>> "Crap, I can't post that." But

>> I was gonna be like, "Me getting ready for Daytona 2026. Here you go, Wayne. doing right though, man. Like, no credit cards, no nothing. He pro I can't imagine what he pays taxes. It might be zero.

>> I'm not I'm not here to speak these things. The uh the opinions the opinions stated are not necessarily representative of proper royals or Adam Shyra, just to be clear here.

>> Yeah, it's crazy. I I can't believe it's still a thing, but he's doing it. I mean, let's just spitball this for a second. 30,000 people at $20 a pop.

>> Yeah.

>> That's $600 grand.

>> Not including the VIPs that are $100 a pop.

>> That's what I'm saying. I mean, just the door, not to mention the vending fee. Yeah. I mean,

>> He's got to be flirt by the end of the weekend. He's got to be flirting with seven figures.

>> Yeah.

>> In over a long over the whole registration time.

>> Foot traffic this year from Daytona was it was a I would say it was slower for sure. Saturday it was pretty busy. Um definitely there was times where you looked up like it's packed in here for Daytona.

>> Yeah.

>> Um but Sunday by I don't know one or two it was pretty dead. Um

>> I always said though like by Sunday at noon the show's pretty well done.

>> Yeah. You're selling the vendors. You're not selling to other people at that point.

>> Yeah. At that point it's it's Yeah. That's it.

>> Yeah. But we uh I mean with our long drive home as soon as we start seeing like it dying down pretty good, we roll out. We don't wait for the show to end. We It was like 3:45 4. I think the show went till 5. We were going I think we might have been the first ones to actually leave. Um, there was other people that packed up and I don't know if they actually left or not, but it was like

>> Five o'clock on day two. That's too that's too late, man. You got to get people got to get home.

>> Literally it was when I say it was dead. It was like like you no one was at their own tables because everybody was just walking around just they're just hanging out checking it out.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Um, but I mean, yeah, like you said, like if the sales are done at that point anyway, so you might as well just

>> Yeah, just go have go have fun at that.

>> Yeah. I

>> I I remember the first time somebody told me that and I was like, that's No, no, you're just throwing in the towel. And I was like, "Oh, this place this is dead. This is just the same people I've been staring at all weekend."

>> With a 15 hour ride, it's like we gonna sit here for another hour for no reason or we want to get this thing on the on the road or

>> Right.

>> You know,

>> Um, when you have that far to go, that makes a mental difference, too. Like just just feeling like you're starting behind makes such I mean, it doesn't really make a difference, but mentally it is a mental difference, man.

>> Yeah. That way you don't have to rush to pack up at the end of the show or nothing. You don't have to get in your car all sweaty and have a 15 hour ride sweating. Um, but yeah, like Jeremy said, like start wrapping up at 4. It was it was pretty dead in there. But overall on uh overall on Saturday it was it was pretty busy. Um, it seemed like everyone that I talked to was doing pretty decent.

>> Good.

>> I don't think I don't think anyone at least that I talked didn't sell anything.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, that goes for Bob show too. I from the majority of people I talked to, people did pretty decent at Bob show and pretty decent at um Daytona.

>> So, I got this theory. It's not very well thought out. Matter of fact, I just thought of it, but I got this theory. I think in the north, and it seems like a north across the United States, at least from New England to the upper Midwest, the schools start like three weeks later than in the South. Like in the south a lot of a lot of kids are already back to school. Most of them are like the colleges have started. Um, I know like my son's friends they're from Jacksonville. They're all back in school.

>> Yeah.

>> I think that like in the north so like first off Shamberg was the first of those runs and the kids go back to school the day after Labor Day up here. Like they got another three weeks before they go back to school. Like we're we're we're hanging out. We got another holiday before uh Charlie goes back to school. And I think that there's this like mental thing and maybe reality. Hey, if you're if you're not going on vacation, you can buy a new pet. You can buy a new animal. If you if you know you got a vacation around the corner, maybe it's not a good time to buy an animal, you know, or

>> Uh, the credit cards don't really stand up to the theory because most people that rack up their credit cards haven't paid them off for school to start. But I think that there's like a mental thing because it seems like the shows and and that's not taking I mean Daytona is very well done. Obviously Bob's show is very well done.

>> Yeah.

>> But the NBC guys, they know how to run shows, too. So I I think there's something with the summer timing.

>> I could see that. I will say Shawnberg, I think, has been going downhill for a little bit. Um, it just seems like it never caught traction. I don't honestly like I think they were kind of relying on their NARBC brand from Tinley and Arlington to kind of carry our uh to carry Shawnberg show and kind of the St. Louis show as well where they don't really do as much advertising as like Bob's putting in and Daytona is just a different show because it's been around for 40 years.

>> It's the icon, right? And there's nothing like it in there's nothing like it in the area. There's the The the other thing I noticed about like the Midwest, there's freaking cities everywhere. And it's like New England. Same thing in New England. Like you go you go to New York to Boston, it's right there. New York to Philly, Philly to DC, it's all just bang bang bang. Whereas even Jacksonville to Tampa is three hours, three and a half hours, and then to Atlanta's five hours north of there. Miami is five hours south. Like they're spread out in the south whereas like

>> I didn't realize how close St. Louis is to Chicago or how close I mean, it's probably I had no idea to be honest. I would imagine it's like four hours or something like that.

>> Yeah, but that's closer than Jacksonville to Miami or same same with Chicago and and Minneapolis. They're within five hours of each other and Milwaukee is in between them. I mean, it's it's crazy how many people are up here and how many cities.

>> And I think I think St. Louis could actually be a good show. I just think it might be too late in the year. Like November's it's cold in St. Louis in November.

>> And not only that, I think there's been a couple times where the St. Louis show has been on the same weekend or very close to another show that was like a half hour or an hour away from it.

>> Um, I think it was like the weekend after one of them one of the years. Um, so I think that definitely affects it a lot. At least up in the Northeast. Like we have two shows. We have a bunch of shows up here, but none of them are particularly good. Um, we do the Gettysburg show, but there's another show called Oaks and

>> Yep.

>> They I guess the show promoters don't like each other and they'll play on the same day or the weekend after each other and stuff like that.

>> Yeah. That screws everybody.

>> Including themselves.

>> Yeah, it's only like an hour or two hours away from each other. And but they're like the biggest ones up here. So, it's kind of like it it's messed up. But I don't know. I think Gettysburg will actually turn it around and end up being a good show. But nothing compared to like you said, it's like a regional show. It's nothing compared to like

>> Right. And I I like those are my bread and butter. I do 20 plus of those a year. I I do like those shows, but but again, they're they're a different business model. So, um speaking of uh making some money and paying some bills, let me uh let's take care of these uh advertisers for just a second. When we get back,

>> Uh, I got a few more um

>> We'll get the rapid fire.

>> Yeah, I got a few more. Well, they not to be rapid. These have been good topics. I've been uh they've been they've been keeping things in order. Uh, guys, I use uh Redline shipping. Check them out. If you haven't, you at least should give them a shot. I mean, they've been around for a long, long time and for a good reason. Uh, look, if you need customer service, if you want to know how to handle the temperatures, if you need your supplies, there's a human team that you can call directly for support and they will give you that support. So, use the promo code proper 5 and uh check out Redline Shipping. Speaking of people that you can call and get support, uh Charlie Williams at shedtesting.com. If you didn't hear the update, I think it was two weeks ago, Charlie has lowered prices. Uh, he has improved his processes. Um, I don't know how clearly this has all been explained, but there's less human interaction in the testing process now, and human interaction leads to errors. So, it's better results, it's better science, and it's now quicker as well. You could do panel tests uh for under $100 and have the results in five days. That really should be the whole promo right there. Use the promo code proper 10. You're going to get 10% off. And you might go, "Wait a minute. It was 15% off a couple weeks ago." Yeah, that was before he cut his prices by like 50%. So, take your take your bonus, take your uh discount, and go enjoy it, guys. You can do that on two orders of as many uh shed tests as you like from Charlie. Uh, I didn't even touch on his service, but it's phenomenal. Go check it out.

>> Um, Portuguese pythons. That's Danny and Renee Roachcha out in Chino, California. I to this day, we've worked together almost three years. I think October will be well, that'll be our third cycle. But anyway, I appreciate their support, but they're such great people. Their animals are awesome. I've got a bunch of their Ultramal Pide ingredients here, and those will finally start producing this year. If you like Ultraml, especially with dark jeans, go check out what they're doing. They're working ultra in uh excuse me, I'm not totally over this virus here. I got to pace myself on the breathing. Uh, they're working ultra with puzzle clown and pi also with ghost and true ghost projects. They do have sunset sunset hypo combos and then like I say great uh dark gene kodoms like blackhead isanthic and ghi. Go check out their morph market page and uh they're great people and they're really cool animals. Another Jersey guy is Charlie uh Ryan at uh Reagan Renee Royal Pythons. The defending undisputed undefeated as of yet 15 minutes of lame champion. Uh, this guy's doing awesome stuff, especially with his Krypton projects. And he's doing like single, triple, quad ingredients, um, with other recessives like DG G-Stripe, Candy, Candy Pi, Combos, and Clowns of course as well. Go see Charlie. Go check him out. You won't be disappointed. And he's an excellent dude. One of the few people I've ever handed over the reigns to uh, host a show when I couldn't make it one evening. So thanks to Charlie.

>> BNS Reptilia Chris is my vending partner at Timley in October he will be there uh all the way back all the way left you'll find the proper royals BNS table Chris's reptilia because he is working with ball pythons blood pythons locality boas uh colubrids of all shapes and sizes pituous if you know what that means bullsnakes and pine snakes he will have those at Timley and he'll have the necessary permits uh all the education that you could want to make sure that you purchase those legally and safely and get them home for your own projects or your own pets. Uh Chris is also the regional distributor for the Chipper in Pennsylvania. And if you're interested in your own regional distri distribution of the Chipper Coco, get in touch with him. He can help you with that.

>> Last but not least is Sund Dog Serpent. Speaking of Florida friends that I've known for a long time, uh that is Sarah and Josh. They just vended Daytona as well. Uh, I've been working with them for a few years now. They've been uh customers. I've also bought snakes from them. I've helped they've helped me uh get some deals done. And uh they're great people. They're working with TSK Aanthics. So if you're looking for TSK uh project stuff, go check that out. They just hatched a pu a clutch of puzzle combos that look great. I know they unveiled those at Daytona. Um, and they also working with super asphalt stuff. So, a few unique things that you can go see Sund Dog Serpents for.

>> So, uh, last but not least is the audience. Thank you guys for hanging out. Thanks for making this show possible. Um, all these years I'm still doing this, still having fun, and still learning from uh, people. So, thank you very much. Uh, all Proper Royals live content is brought to you adree now. No interruptions. Unadulterated Proper Royals. And that's brought to you by Palm Street. You can find out more about Palm Street in the link down below. I had somebody ask me, "What is Palm Street?" I take for granted that people don't know. It's a live selling platform. You can interact the way that we're interacting now. And it's all on your phone, which is where uh, you know, those young whippersnappers like to uh, interact. It's all there on a vertical screen. And um, like I say, it's a personal interaction live streaming uh sales platform. So check that out.

>> Uh, tonight we're hanging out with Brett Towers from Jersey Guys Balls. If you haven't met Brett, you should absolutely follow him. Certainly on Instagram on Morph Market. Brett, where else can people find you, man?

>> Man, you can find me basically anywhere. Uh, I always leave my phone number in our um Instagram profile information just in case anybody had to reach out to me quick. Uh, if you if you do need to reach out to me quick, definitely text me because it's uh, you never know when I'm going to see your message on Instagram or anything like that. Um, but yeah, Morph Instagram. We have a YouTube channel, but I haven't posted on it in like a year, a year and a half. Um, definitely need to get back to that whenever time clears itself up.

>> Right?

>> Um, but yeah, I mean, Facebook, but I'll never send a message on Facebook. That's the worst case scenario.

>> All right. Uh, well, go find Brett. Uh, not on Facebook, unless you just want to be ignored. Otherwise, check him out. Um, I you said it pretty quickly and I forgot we talked about that before that you put your phone number in your bio. I think it's great. And I think that um

>> I had an experience where uh Dave Kaufman and I were at a show together and he filmed he did a segment on me, but on my banner is my cell phone number and that was in the video and that's been like two years and to this day I'll still get,

>> You know, I'm not saying every day, but I get a fair number of calls.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, once a month or something and there I'm like, "Where did you find where have we met? Where did I find out about you?" Because usually I figure if people are calling me, they got my card at a show and they're like, "Oh, I saw you on Kaufman's channel." I was like, "Okay, perfect."

>> It happens all the time. I'll get like random texts. I'm like, like, "Who is this?" Like, "Why are you That's a That's a recommendation I have. If you're going to text someone that doesn't have your number, introduce yourself in the text." Because there's so many times where people text me, I'm like, "I have no idea who you are right now." What I hate and I feel the worst about too is when and maybe I'm guilty, maybe I'm the one that jumped, but when we jump platforms, so I've got their name or I've got their brand name on Instagram and then I'm getting a text and there was there's been a couple times where I had a pretty big deal going and I'm like, "Who is this?" And they're like, "Who is this? We've been talking about a lot of money." And I'm like, "Oh, no, no, I didn't mean it that way."

>> Yeah, it's tough sometimes.

>> Um,

>> Yeah.

>> But yeah, I mean I don't if you're gonna reach out to me, like that's the thing. Like you could message me on Instagram, but like I never even like people follow me on Instagram. I never even go through and check who followed me so I can follow you back. So a lot of times if you message me, it would go to like the request still and I won't see that for like a week maybe.

>> Um, so I always just recommend just texting me. I'll get back to you a lot quicker.

>> Yeah, I might have to start doing I actually had that I put it so I put out the video on YouTube earlier this week about some breeders that I have and there it was right before the show I went to message you and for some reason on the desktop I see the request but on the and I send the link so when I send the link it's easier on the desktop than typing a ridiculous link into my phone you know.

>> But

>> I'm never on Instagram on my desktop but I saw those requests sure enough somebody's inquiring about one of the snakes I'm like ah I I got to just put the phone number in there for That's a good idea.

>> Um, all right. Well, you c you covered some of these already. I was going to ask you about um what was the best either uh snake that you acquired, whether it was moneywise or morph morph-wise, but I I think you covered that pretty well earlier with the tornado. What about what about saleswise? What was the what was like your And I'm not asking for like the dollar amount if you want to. Yeah, that's up to you.

>> Yeah. But what what was like the what was like the high-end that you sold? What was the combo or where where was the high water mark for you? What did you see going um big time?

>> For sure. So the I would say like so Bob show and Daytona show they were both very good for the majority. I think Bob show I think we did close to $4500 and then Daytona we did around $7 grand.

>> Okay.

>> Um, it it was really a really like wide variety of stuff that was moving. It's that's the thing with the market right now. It seems like people are really particular about what they're picking up. Like it's got to be an animal that they're particularly looking for or it's got to be the perfect animal that works for their project. They're not going to pick something up as like, yeah, maybe I'll work with that.

>> Um, so we had a lot of different stuff on our tables this time around, whereas usually it's kind of like a one hit thing. Like we had a lot of monsoon stuff at the last tinley but not a lot of other stuff. Um, so I think like the variety really helped us this go around. So we sold a bunch of paints. We hatched out a clutch of paints. I think two or three of them.

>> Cool.

>> Yeah.

>> That's a great jean too, man. Like I'm surprised it doesn't get more. I don't I'm surprised I don't have it. I like it. And we I think we were the only ones with it at Bob's show and I think we might have been one of two people with it at uh Daytona. So it kind of like set us apart. So we sold I think two or three of them and they were like a thousand bucks a piece.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> I'm seeing a lot of chatter about them in in Patreons. I think a lot I think a lot of stuff doesn't make it out of

>> Yeah.

>> I don't want to just say Patreons, but group chats, industry chats, like the behind the scenes stuff, you know?

>> Right.

>> Um, so we sold a bunch of them and that I think that's a really untapped project. Like I think Limey just posted some hurricane paints and they look ridiculous. They look so cool. Um, so we sold that. We sold a monsoon package. It was a male monsoon and a female monsoon for a couple grand. Um, and monsoons like if you have them labeled for the right price, they uh they sell.

>> Yeah. Go, right?

>> Yeah. People just don't want to spend extreme amount or anything like that. But

>> From what I'm seeing, it seems like the overall market for monsoons is right around $2200 to $2000 for a male. Um, but I think the price actually goes up if it's just a regular monsoon instead of a Mojave monsoon. I think a regular monsoon probably get like $2500 to $2700.

>> Um, what else did we sell? We sold some like triple head, exanthic, DG clowns. Um, and then a lot of a lot of lower-end stuff like we uh what did we sell? We sold a couple bananas, a couple of pides, just like just basic stuff like $100 a piece, $150 a piece that usually pays for your shows.

>> Yeah, I was say talk about the reality of that. Like we all we all hear about that one big sale. We don't hear about the 20 other

>> Yeah.

>> Or maybe not 20, however many other

>> For sure.

>> $100 to $300. And honestly, I even consider a $400 to $500 sale like a pretty big sale. You can make a lot of money selling $400 and $500 snakes.

>> Well, let's just look at Bob's Balls for instance. There's a reason why he has a full display or two displays of bells, pides, and albinos because that's the stuff that's going to pay for a show and then every like he's probably hoping that a Patreon member or someone walks up and makes a good uh sale on it. But

>> Right.

>> Um, man, the there's a reason why you can never buy bells wholesale because no one will wholesale bells.

>> They're nowhere guaranteed for a bell every single show. Well, and even the wholesale ones I see, they want $200 a pop. And that's with them going, "Well, you're gonna mark them up." I'm like, "Crazy."

>> Yeah.

>> Jeremy. A monsoon tornado. It depends how it looks, I guess.

>> Probably.

>> You could probably pretty decent house in uh in New Jersey, like a guest suite or something in in New Jersey, maybe. Yeah. I know where I know where there's a basement in Minnesota. I'd give you for it if you want it.

>> Um, but yeah, it it overall like so we did between the two shows between $11 and $12 grand I think and but that was from 15 to 20 animals and I already told you that a couple of them were a grand or a couple grand a piece. So the rest of them kind of just fill in between like a $100 to $300 to $500 area.

>> Um, but if you the biggest thing I always talk about is like there's a lot of a lot of vendors that will judge a customer right away based on what they say or what they're looking at and they'll either like kind of like not like give them the time of day and move on to the next guy that's in line to walking by. But you'd be surprised how many people like that I talk to and I'm like when I first say something to them I'm like there's no way they're buying something and then they end up buying a $500 animal or $1,000 animal.

>> Um

>> I always and it's hard but I always try and tell myself because it's really hard because you can have a rough rough day but you can also have like a self-fulfilling day. you get in a mental rough spot and then you're just like putting out these terrible like off-putting vibes to people and then suddenly they don't buy from you, you know, like

>> Uh, but two thoughts were one is that like like almost any show is I wouldn't say it's decided before it starts, but the show is what it is. Either it's going to be a good show, it's not going to be a good show. You can't control the people coming in the door once you're set up. you can't advertise any, you know, it it it the settings are what they're going to be.

>> But how you represent yourself and plant seeds in their mind is one thing. And then the other thing that I really love too is this uh some quote about like it's like a funeral quote, but like nobody remembers like what you did or what you said. They remember how you made them feel. And that's what you're talking about. If you make somebody feel appreciated,

>> There are people that I've thought, man, they don't have a dollar in the world. And you know what they've done? They've taken every dollar in the world that they have because they want to get something special for their kid or they just had a wonderful like celebration or something amazing and those are the best sales, man. They're the best, man.

>> Well, yeah. They're the ones you remember and they're the ones that in like a year they reach out to you and tell them how much they love that snake still.

>> Um

>> Yeah, they are. You made them feel that special. Yeah. The people who are buying high-end thousand $2,000 snakes even to other vendors, you will never hear about that snake again.

>> That's right.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, but yeah, I mean it was a it was a really good two weekends. Um Bob show it was it was super busy all weekend. We it constantly had people walking by, but man, I'll tell you like it was really weird. So I I left Bob shows at noon on Sunday so I could catch a flight to home. Uh, so my dad was there until 4 or whenever the show ended. We didn't sell a single snake until I left.

>> Once I left, he did the $4,500.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I don't even know why I come to these shows. You're you're way better off without me.

>> Um, no, but that's just how it goes. But like even then, like neither of us had like a negative mindset about it. We were just like, h, I mean, you win some shows, you lose some shows, but we're still going to have a good time here. and then it ended up turning around and the buyers showed up at the end of the show.

>> And that's just how it happens sometimes. You you can't really get down on it or start having that negative attitude and then you're like you said, you're putting off that negative energy to people and they're like, I don't want to even be near. I'm gonna deal with that guy.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yep. You're sitting down with your arms crossed and wondering why you can't make sales. Yeah. Big surprise. You can't make sales sitting down with

Your arms crossed. So, yeah. Um, did you see, uh, did have you seen less vendors or less ball python vendors, uh, this year or this season?

Um, I don't, I wouldn't say less vendors. I would say, um, I don't think so. I think there's been the same amount. And like, you, you'll have the typical, like the kitteners and the bobs.

Yeah. You're, yeah, you're going to see the, you're going to see all of them. Yeah. I would say there's been a good amount of like newer, um, more fresh eyes on the ball pythons and vendors like that. And I, I think there's been like a kind of second coming of it. And I think honestly, I think the market's kind of turning around. It's kind of pretty strong right now.

Well, I was gonna, the reason I ask is, and now I'm looking at it through the, the regional smaller shows lens. I'm seeing less. And yeah, and I'm, and I, I say that as a good thing as somebody who saw through the tough times because now, like,

Um, it, I mean, you've been kind enough to share numbers. So, I mean, a Sunday afternoon show in the middle of Wisconsin, I did two grand this weekend. One afternoon, no hotel, no overhead.

That's great.

Thanks.

Hell yeah. It's great. When people are like, "Why weren't you at Daytona?" Now I have a really good explanation of why it wasn't.

Rarely do that in a regional show.

Yeah.

And it was, it, now it's one that I do religiously. I do it every time. So, it's, it's building. It's, I've had, I've had to actually at that one, I always do pretty well. But, um,

But I, I think that, I think I think there were four tables with ball pythons on them and only two were like full-on ball pythons. The other two were, I, and I know the other two breeders. Um, but they're usually like our customers. They're like guys that are like, it was like their first show vending. So, like, one of them I think only had like, seven or eight ball pythons and they, they were really, they were nice ball pythons, but but literally they had just a tablecloth and seven deli cups.

And the other guy had like, maybe 20 or 30 kind of deal. Maybe, maybe a few clutches from this year. Um, and that was it for for ball pythons in the room. Now, this was an exotic pet show. So, I mean, there were birds, there were wallabies, there were some kind of monkeys, um,

Definitely hog noses, definitely, uh, uh, corn snakes were around. Um, and and snake, it's a snake discovery show. They do a really good job of showcasing different species like you were talking about versus just being a ball python show. But I still think the ball pythons were the king of the market. I, I still think that.

Yeah.

There will never be a show without ball pythons because realistically the money is with the ball pythons. It, it is what it is. And even if, even if there's a ton of vendors that are ball python vendors and a bunch of people have a good show, they either, they most of the time go spend that money that they just made with other vendors.

Right?

Ball pythons or other species. Like a lot of these other species will complain there's there's too many ball python vendors, too many ball python vendors. But the majority of the people they're selling their species to are the ball python vendors that want to try something different.

Yeah. I just want to get something different.

Yeah.

Well, and that's another reason why I never leave my booth because I don't know if,

You tell me every time. Every time I leave my booth, I come home with a different animal. It just happens every time.

Oh my god.

Not sure what's going on here. All right.

Yeah. Um, so, all right, last topic. We saved the most important topic for for the last here. How you, have you and I are tied together in this weird, uh, family, uh, relationship now. You have the brother to my little, uh, Lucy.

Yeah, my little girl Lucy. That's right, man. How's, what's, what's the brother's name?

His name is Meatball.

Is there a more Jersey dog's name?

Meatball. It was, it was the condition that my girlfriend gave me on getting a dog. If we had, if we got it, its name had to be Meatball.

Okay.

That's its name.

All right. So, Meatball is a little Jack Russell. Uh, call him Jack Russell shorties. How's, uh, how's the experience been with, uh, Meatball?

He is something else, man. He, I'm not sure if, so, I talked to Adeline Robinson because I'm pretty sure she's got a sibling as well.

Oh, really? Okay. She said hers is super chill.

Yeah.

Meatball is a crackhead. Um, he's super good. Like, honestly, so we have three other dogs. We have a boxer, a Wattileer, and then like a little mud dog. And man, he, when he's not near them and he's just out by himself, he's the perfect dog. He's chill. He just wants to cuddle. He'll play with you.

As soon as you let that dogs out, he turns into a monster.

He's trying to chew on the Rottweiler legs. He's doing everything he can to battle him.

Um, but nah, he's, he's super awesome. He's, he's super chill. Um, I think I'm gonna bring him to Tinley. I think a bunch of Jack Russells are going to be at Tinley.

Okay. So, we'll have to circle back to some behavior stuff here in a minute, but what's, what's the hack on bringing the Jack Russell like to Tinley? Where, where do you stash your dog when you stay? What do you, uh,

Just bring him to the show? I don't know. Mr. T is always there. You know, Mr. T.

What? Uh, Jack, uh, uh, Josh's dog.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's, um, but like, do they, like, get an Airbnb? You just sneak them into the hotel? Oh, what are you doing with your dog? What do you do with your dog there?

Just sneak him in a hotel, I think. Um,

You just said he's a mad man. How are you going to,

When he's around, when he's around the other dogs, he's a mad man. When he's by himself, he's perfect.

I can't, I couldn't trust Lucy not to bark the whole time in the hotel.

Yeah.

He surprisingly doesn't bark that much. Unless he's got a pig, he'll start barking.

Oh, that's a good. No, when Lucy, Lucy is calm most of the time, but when she hears something that she thinks she needs to bark at, man, it is, and all those doors opening and closing, the elevators at a hotel. I don't know, man.

So,

It might not be a good idea, but we'll see.

So, I had seen, uh, I don't know if these are like cousins or half siblings from the year earlier. I'd seen a male and a female and I was like, I'm gonna get a female. Um, and that was a very specific reason to get, get Lucy when I picked her out was I wanted a female.

But they are the most like smart alpha dogs. Like you say, when they're when they're alone,

Or if, if my wife or son are not around, Lucy's the most obedient.

Yeah.

Like on command, paying attention, does what I need. I can, I mean, she knows what I want and what's, what's gonna, you know, what's going to be acceptable and not.

Man, as soon as another person walks in the room, it's all out the window. And then,

Yeah, we've got two other dogs. So, we got this like rescue like, uh, she's like a greyhound golden retriever mix. So, she's like 45 pounds. And, um, she, Oh, it's Kendall's. It's Mr. T.

Gotcha. Yeah.

Kendall's got the sash. So, I got to learn where, where he, he pops the dog into the sash.

Goes in the sash as well.

Yeah, I need to get one of those sashes. That's what I need.

I'm not sure if get down with the sash. I'm not sure.

Oh, Lucy would. That's where she would want to be. I used to carry when I got Lucy, she was so small she fit in my, uh, Redline, uh, you know, whatever, what those chest bags or whatever.

Yeah, I put, I put Meatball on my sweatshirt hoodie.

There you go.

Um, man, they're, they're great. So, how, but yeah, she has become like the alpha female of,

Oh, yeah.

The, uh, I mean, quite literally the alpha, man. She is, she is,

Because June's like 45 pounds and I don't know, June's 10, 11 years old. Sweet dog. But June has no business like backing down from this little eight pound headache.

Yeah.

And man, Lucy just runs a ragged. And then our other boy, Baxter, he's like 12 or 14. He's had his eyes removed. He's got like three teeth left.

He's just like, "Leave. Get this little alien away from me." You know?

It's basically how it is.

Um,

Yeah.

Meatball. So, when we first got him, the Rottweiler that we had, we only had for like a year. So, she's, she's basically still puppy. But soon as we got Meatball, it was like that was her puppy.

Um, she kind of like took care of him. Even now, like,

If she wants him to do something, she'll pick him up by the neck and drag him around like he's a puppy still.

Oh, the will.

Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah.

But yeah, like you're saying, like he, he kind of like shows his dominance. I, I swear he's like trying to herd like every morning. We lock up our dogs every night in the crates.

Same. Yep.

Trying to let him all out to let him out and it seems like he's herding the dogs to go out the door. It's so interesting. As soon as I let him out, he runs right behind him.

Um,

What's funny with with June, our bigger female,

Yeah.

She'll, like I say, Lucy's kind of the alpha around the house, but then,

That's only like 90% of the time. There's 10%

Where June's like, "Leave me the alone." and and it's like, and Lucy's gone like, like June's like, "Okay, I'm fine now. I'll go back to relaxing."

Any, uh, any luck in the, in the rodent facility with Meatball? How's he doing on, uh, on any, any work?

I haven't really tried yet because,

Okay.

So, when I first got him, I was bringing him in the snake room and he hated the snake room for some reason. He hated in there.

He, um, I don't know why. I think he was just bored. Like I would climb up a ladder or my step stool and he'll, he would climb up the step stool with me. I'm like, "Oh, I'm going to step on you. You're too small for this."

Right?

Um,

But I, I am going to get him in there very soon. I did, I was, I was taking my wrap bin out from the snake room to put it in my truck to take it back to our rodent facility and a little ASF squeezed out the quarter inch mesh and he dealt with it for sure. Well, see,

Pretty quick.

So, when this was like three months ago, so what these dogs, they were born in February, so they're, they're six months old right now. So, when she was like three months old,

I put one on the floor for her.

Yeah.

Boom. She goes right to it.

Right?

Gets it. I think that thing nipped her.

Oh, I'm sure.

On the lip or the gums or something.

Cuz she slung it down, you know, yipped and ran off.

Oh, yeah.

She won't. She's like interested in them. Like she always wants to see them, but she won't like go at it kind of deal. So,

You should try to get like a little toy that looks like one that's squeaky and get her going with that pretty hard first and see if that gets her going with it.

Man, those ASFs bite so hard. I get bit by ASF sometimes. I, I squeak, too. Yeah, I still people laugh at me like other breeders are like, "You, you wear gloves for your?" I'm like, "Yeah, I don't go in that room without my gloves on, man. Uh-uh. Never. I, I'm not taking life on those things, man."

I rarely get them, man. When I do.

Yeah. Well,

Yeah. When they've bitten the gloves, I'll even pull back.

And they're like, latch, like they fly across the room because they're latched on, you know?

Yeah, for sure. Um, but yeah, I mean, he dealt with that one pretty good and like,

He was playing with it and like just messing with it a little bit, but,

Yeah.

He, I think he understood like what was happening.

He understood he was the business and this is what he was supposed to be doing.

So, I have a little bit of hope because Lucy, she goes nuts for squirrels. I'm like, that's the same thing. That's what she. Okay, you got. But I think she. But I. She's smart. I also think she sees me working with them and she's like, "Oh, that's those are his. I can't ruin those."

Right.

And and I want to be like,

"You need, if if one of these out and about, you need to ruin it, man. That that's what needs to happen with it."

Like,

Yeah, you don't need to save this thing.

So, all right. Well, I want,

Is she still like fairly small?

She, uh, I just had her weighed because we had to go up or we had to re-up the the flea and tick heartworm stuff, whatever it is. Um, she is 8.8 pounds. Um, is how much she weighs.

I remember.

Go ahead.

I think at his like last vet visit and he must have been like, I don't know, like just over three months, maybe just under four months old.

He was like 7.3 pounds at that. I bet he's, I bet he's between 10 and 12 right now. He, like, I feel like he's big.

I gotcha. Yeah, she's pretty slight. And she was, she was kind of the run to the litter to begin with. Um, they said so,

They actually kept her although you, I think you got yours after mine, but they actually kept her an extra few weeks with the mom, um, to to, um,

Um, build her up a little bit.

I think Meatball was the the chunkster of the litter.

Okay. He's a big boy. Yeah. There's one up here. He's, he is built like a brick house, man. He, he looks nothing like, uh, like Lucy. I'm like, "Wow, that thing. He's, he's, he's got some meat to him." But,

No, she's, she's good. Uh, she'll go in to get, uh, spayed in the next month, and they say that she'll, she'll gain a little bit of weight after that as well.

Yeah, I have to get him fixed as well.

Yeah.

But man, they told me it's like $700 to get a dog fixed now.

Yeah. They told me about five.

Yeah.

Yeah. I was like, "Holy."

That's crazy.

I know.

It's another, another snake I got to sell that, uh,

I got to sell right there.

All right, Brett. Well, we got to trade pictures of, uh, of the, of the Jack Russell, man. Um,

I want to say thanks. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get off the air here and I'm, I'm actually kind of whooped. I've, when I was cutting those promos, I was like, man, I'm whooped. I'm not quite as, uh, recovered as I thought I was. But man, thanks for, uh, thanks for stopping in. Uh, especially in short notice. Um, nice work on all the shows. Where's the next show that people can catch you at?

Yeah, you could, uh, catch me at the Fredericksburg AARP show coming up September 7th, I believe.

Um, so that'll be our show, next show. And then after that, we're off for a month until Tinley. Um, and after Tinley, I'm not really sure what we have planned. I think we have one local show left of the year and it's kind of just take it easy. Uh, but yeah, definitely I'm excited about Fredericksburg. I think that could be a really good area for Troy and Nick Loan for their AP show. So, we'll see how that goes. And,

Have you been to one of their, have you been to one of their shows before?

Yeah, I went to Charlotte. I did both Charlottes or, Gotcha. Charlottes, whatever it was, however many that they had.

Um, I really like the diversity at their show, like with all the plants and stuff like that. Um,

I really think, I think Fredericksburg is like a good location for a show.

Well, I hope so. I've been, I've been to their Colorado, I've been to all of the Colorado shows that they've done.

Yeah, I heard that was legit out there.

It's really great. Um, it, it, you mentioned earlier that Bob show felt like it was like something special and maybe even a little bit of like white glove service. Like Nick and Troy have that feel like it's a real, like,

You could tell that they're breeders and that they've been through the vending kind of experience.

Um, it's done well.

It feels like they care about their vendors. Like, uh, they always, they always plan something to do and stuff like that.

Exactly. Um, there's not many other, uh, people running shows that like plan events and stuff for the vendors.

It's just always the basics, right? Just make your customers feel special. Like, how hard is that? Like, and, and the vendors are the customers of the,

Exactly.

Show promoters, you know? So, like it's,

Anyhow, uh, I hope that it goes well. Um, I will see you, uh, I'll see you guys in Tinley. Huh.

Absolutely. Can't wait.

Hey, it's always a pleasure, uh, both in person and on the show. Thanks again, uh, audience. Thanks for hanging out tonight. I will see you guys same place, same time next week. I promise this funk will be out of me. I'll have a little more life to me. And, uh, now that everybody's gotten through the Shamberg, Siri, Daytona run of shows, I can, uh, I can start booking again, man. Everybody was like, "Talk to me after. Talk to me after."

All right, guys. I'll see you soon. Brett, thanks so much. Uh, I'll send you,

I'll send you a picture of, uh, Lucy. You got to send me a little shot of Meatball.

All right.

I will. Yes, sir.

Thanks, man. See you guys.

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